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NoScript Awarded $10,000
An anonymous reader noted an interesting bit of information about a tool a ton of Slashdot users make use of every day: "NoScript has been chosen as the recipient of the DRG Security Innovation Grant. This is a great honor and a spur to keep making the Web a safer place. I feel the urge to thank the committee for recognizing NoScript as a pioneering force in browser security, and the community of contributors, researchers, translators, beta testers, and loyal users who keep this project alive day after day. The grant will fund the effort to merge the current two development lines, i.e. 'traditional' NoScript for desktop environment."
The fact that this ever had to be an *add-on* is just shameful. The fact that IE and Safari still don't have it (or something very similar) is close to criminal. Okay, Chrome has NotScripts, but that apparently requires some weird hacking to use securely.
And, no, the non-default ability to turn *all* scripts on or off isn't even close to the same thing. As the great Jules would say--it's not the same ballpark, not the same league, not even the same sport.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Did they also get a grant for messing with other addon settings so their ads show up on their homepage?
Does this mean web designers will start making their web sites actually work when users without javascript try to use them?
(The list of offenders is too long to name.)
its sad that we have to remove functionality to be more secure. I do like noscript and use it all the time, but the problem is more and more websites require js for simple tasks. wish there was a better way, for eg using user interaction to select which part of js are 100% ok or something like that. or perhaps whitelisting md5sums of common scripts (if that hasn't been already done). ironically, posting this comment seems to require some scripts turned on.
For safari: Glimmer blocker is both an ad blocker and can deny and or rewrite scripts on the fly.
For some reason I seem to be on the testing branch, receiving different release candidates almost every day. How do I switch to the stable branch where I get to run only final versions?
The fact that this ever had to be an *add-on* is just shameful.
As long as it's disabled by default. It'd make more sense for Adblock Plus to be integrated by default with ad/privacy lists added. NoScript is still a usability-destroying sledgehammer unfortunately. I haven't been able to find a reason as to why I should keep it installed and endure the headache.
Any excuse for those page hits. Good tool though, but I switched of the bit that opens the home page every time there is a new "important" update.
That's too bad, because it's awesome. I haven't found anything else that comes close to how flexible and easy to use it is.
As far as trust goes - I trust the developer of NoScript over the entirety of the javascript code injected by advertising and tracking agencies out there.
By the way - did you read the NoScript developer's mea culpa?
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
Please.
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I've tried to use it four or five times through the years, and I always end up removing it almost immediately. I find the UI to be confusing (and just plain bad) to the point of uselessness, and the damn thing wastes more CPU cycles running than the wild JavaScript it purports to block.
I'd like it much better if browsers themselves simply didn't execute any JavaScript from any inactive tabs/minimized windows.
Even though the author recognized his mistake, backed out the changes, and apologized profusely in a very public manner you still don't trust him? Harsh man, harsh.
http://hackademix.net/2009/05/04/dear-adblock-plus-and-noscript-users-dear-mozilla-community/
I'd rather not blacklist somebody over a single incident. However, if you happen to know of other instances where he did something sketchy, please let us know.
There are plenty of vulnerabilities found that do not need scripts, lets not make NoScript out to be more than what it is.
Wish I could mod you up!
Fool me once, fool me twice...
Ghosteryexists for Firefox/Chrome/IE/Safari, and can be taught to behave as noscript.
Free unix account: freeshell.org
Hey its open source, aren't you reading every line of code that's run on your system?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Well I love the Neutered web experience because I absolutely Hate flash/silverlight and iframes because they've been exploited to many times. As to the usability of a website, I feel that any site that absolutely depends upon flash/silverlight to be usable is one I don't need to visit again. For those business sites like Asus or HP, I've begun filing ADA (american disabilities act) complaints that the websites are no accessible to disabled users (flash doesn't support screen readers - nor does it work worth a damn for those who have even a mild vision impairment).
Hopefully, we'll start seeing companies getting it right by sticking with Standards compliant HTML for their main pages with proper links to the various departments. There is absolutely no reason for a website to depend on anything except HTML for functionality, as it is the lowest common denominator.
Mod me up/Mod me down: I wont frown as I've no crown
Fool me once, fool me twice...
No, no, no.... it's
"Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again!" -- GW Bush
GLaDOS for President 2016! "Well here we are again. It's always such a pleasure." -- GLaDOS, 2011
As far as trust goes - I trust the developer of NoScript over the entirety of the javascript code injected by advertising and tracking agencies out there.
That is a very very good point.
This, exactly. I would rather backup my machine properly and practice safe browsing habits then put up with NoScript's bullshit. Ive read for years people extolling its virtues, but i personally cannot stand the neutered web it presents.
The whole point of NoScript is to allow you to control whether scripts run on a finer level than the "off/on" that browsers support natively, and it does that easily, with one click per domain.
If you use NoScript to deny scripts globally, then you are using it wrong. Instead, you enable each domain (just once, as NoScript remembers the setting) that you deem safe. This makes browsing much more secure, although you can still be caught if a trusted domain starts serving malware scripts, but it's better than being open to attack from every domain.
They're adding in real-time socket communication to Javascript. If I was chatting with a friend and had to keep the window in focus, that would irk me. Good idea, but would definitely have to be optional. May be trusted sites?
Thing is I trust websites even less.
Turned it off and surfed around for about 2 hours. 3 damn viri...
So I surf around with a broken internet...
It was. Netscape up to version 3 had menu items that would turn JavaScript on and off, and images on and off. For NS4 those were buried in the settings dialog, and were therefore not easily switched on the fly.
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
I've tried to use it four or five times through the years, and I always end up removing it almost immediately. I find the UI to be confusing (and just plain bad) to the point of uselessness
What, exactly, is confusing about clicking one time on a menu item that reads "Allow slashdot.org" (for example)?
The only time I find there to be a problem is when a domain loads scripts from 5-10 other domains. That does make it difficult to figure out which scripts are required to make the site functional, but that's not a problem with NoScript...that's a problem with the site. And, it's exactly this "code from random sites" that makes NoScript important for browser security.
Are you stupid / dumb / bat-shit crazy / or high off of canned air?
What the fuck...does this have to do with NoScripts?
Regards,
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Next stop on the information highway: Nutsville, population: you
Shame on you for mis-using the ADA for your pet peeves. Asshole.
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No Script helped in stemming the amount of infected PCs I received. I'd install it on my customer's PCs and showed them how it worked and that they should turn it off only when doing stuff like online banking, otherwise leave it on.
It was of tremendous help and a lot of repeat customers stopped coming back with the same infection.
Previewing comments are for sissies!
The ability to turn all scripts off is the same ballpark, the same league and the same sport. You're forgetting that 98% of people who use these web browsers don't know what a script is.
For a simple reason it isn't installed by default.
Security isn't convenient.
The best security tools make your experience seem like you are warden of a jail house. There is only so much you can do to make them easy. The rest the company will decide not to add because it will make the app too hard to use. Especially if you need to compete with Internet Explorer. Where you need to be more secure and show that it can run all the stuff that IE can.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I think, personally, that the fact that we even need NoScript is shameful.
how is babby formed?
I'm not a big fan of Flash on the web, but it is absolutely untrue that Flash doesn't support screen readers. http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/flash/best_practices.html
What is true is that it is possible to build websites in either HTML or Flash that don't support screen readers.
PrefBar restores this functionality. Single-click control of images (for those not-necessarily-SFW threads), colors (for that asshat on FailSpace who thought that red on a green background was a good idea), and of course, Javashit, Java, Flash, cookies, referrer-sending, and so on.
it's not the same ballpark, not the same league, not even the same sport.
You know, I could use a foot massage.
Not having JS loading makes all pages load incredibly fast. Use it like a turbo button. That combined with Ghostery and Better Privacy make for a pretty good browsing experience (and shows you what each page is attempting to do). If you are looking for perfection, there is nothing stopping you from writing your own browser. NoScript is the biggest reason I stick with FF. Love it!
I use both. it makes the list of scripts that I should consider considerably shorter and also blocks confusing scripts I may otherwise allow in the process of trying to get a webpage to work. They all make life easier and more secure. Or at least I feel secure knowing so many things that used to happen now are blocked and I still have a usable web browsing experience.
The author deserves this. I reported a small problem on Amazon and he had a release candidate ready for testing about six hours later.
prior to that, he pushed out a lot of incredibly minor updates ("fixed a typo in a comment"), seemingly to increase the ad impressions on his web site. Which used javascript (google analytics and ads) and was whitelisted by default.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
The point of noscript is to deny scripts globally and then just enable the ones that you deem to be safe. I assume that's what you meant because if you just blacklist domains that you know to be malicious you might as well just send your information directly to the crackers.
The UI isn't confusing, what is confusing is the tendency of sites to use a large number of largely anonymous servers to give even basic functionality. What NoScript really needs is a way of blacklisting domains manually so that I have to manually enable them if I decide I want them. For things like Facebook which are inexplicably everywhere even though they aren't necessary on any site that I routinely go to.
You'd still be safe even if a domain is hijacked to serve malware if you block dynamic content for trusted sites (JS can execute, but things like flash need to be activated by clicking on the placeholder), I've been doing this for years and don't look back.
Using noscript is an inconvenience, sure. But restoring from backup is a greater inconvenience. You should keep backups in hopes you'll never have to use them not because you plan to use them regularly. Simply put, I'd rather put more effort into the prevention of problems than coping with them.
I used keep backups so I could reinstall Windows once or twice a year when it became slow and unreliable. I got tired of dealing with Windows being defective. I switched OSes and now I use backups as a "just in case" rather than to facilitate an annual chore.
It's the law. Grow up, asshole. Dickwad.
...and mod the grandparent up.
Are you seriously that stupid? The guy makes an awesome addon that protects millions of users, releases it for free, makes one mistake that he apologizes for a few days later, and suddenly you can't trust one of the most useful addons of Firefox?
If your mom was like you, you would've probably been put down shortly after birth. Probably for the better.
I tried to use it for a couple months, but more than half of the web-forms on the internet require javascript to submit properly. So I would spend all this time filling out these forms, get to the end, and either nothing happens when you click submit or you get an error. So I disable NoScript for the site, only to have the browser (or the website) clear everything that I just entered into the form, and I have to start over again.
Other sites wouldn't have working menus, others didn't have working links at all. All of this is the fault of bad developers, but regardless of who is to blame, I still have to live with it. JavaScript is too tangled up into the design of most sites to be able to disable it and not have half the web break. It isn't like plugins like flash, where you get a nice segregated box that is disabled, and everything else works like normal.
The only way I could stand to use NoScript was to Allow All, but keep the cross-site scripting protection on.
... and mod the great-grandparent diagonally.
What NoScript really needs is a way of blacklisting domains manually so that I have to manually enable them if I decide I want them.
You mean like 'mark as untrusted'?
I'd like to see domain-based functionality, so for example I can allow Facebook Javascript when I'm actually using Facebook, but block if when I'm at any other site.
Ah, I still remember the early days of Javascript when we were telling people what a horrible insecure pile of crap it would be and they were assuring us that nothing could possibly go wrong.
I've tried to use it four or five times through the years, and I always end up removing it almost immediately. I find the UI to be confusing (and just plain bad) to the point of uselessness, and the damn thing wastes more CPU cycles running than the wild JavaScript it purports to block.
You must be dumb as a fucking plank then.
there are some of us who still think browsers shouldn't be scriptable, period. if you want to make an application, release binaries.
I haven't found anything else that comes close to how flexible and easy to use it is.
Have you checked out Request Policy?
I don't suggest it out of NoScript hate[0] -- I still run noscript on some machines -- but because it's fantastically easy to use to do things you need to mess with ABE to do on NoScript (if even then. I haven't had the time to mess much with ABE). My favorite is being able to block everything google, and then only allow it, if needed, permanently and only on the sites that need it (mostly on sites using recaptcha)
It's pretty nice and one of the four extensions that keeps me shackled to Firefox, much to my continued misery (The other four being ABP, PasswordMaker, and Lazarus)
[0]Though its insistence on opening up the homepage twice a week lately on minor updates is becoming a pet peeve.
For those business sites like Asus or HP, I've begun filing ADA (american disabilities act) complaints that the websites are no accessible to disabled users
- yeah, because for some reason companies must spend time and money building things for corner cases rather than for their main target customer. Government. Is there anything it can do that does not hurt the economy? If it can, I haven't found one example yet so far.
You can't handle the truth.
NoScript have a blacklist mode (allows scripts to be run by any site that isn't blacklisted). It isn't enabled by default and it doesn't have en editor in the UI to add or remove sites from the blacklist, but it is easy to add a new site to the blacklist, just click on the NoScript icon in the notification field (is it called that in English?).
The option to turn on blacklist-mode (and off whitelist-mode) is called something like "Allow scripts globally" (sorry if the translation is wrong, I don't have an English language UI). Paired with Adblock Plus (which blocks content based on blacklist you can subscribe to), this give good enough protection (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!).
The blacklist-mode still give you good protection against a lot of JavaScript attacks (and that might cause trouble on sites with horrible security practises).
Of course, as always, Opera have built in functionality that do this better then NoScript and Adblock. Damn shame I'm not allowed to use Opera by my bank and some other sites.
I would say that 99% of the sites I visit that depend on JavaScript being enabled, shouldn't really depend on JavaScript, they are just coded by lazy people. But unfortunately I do "need" to be able use some of those sites and blacklist-mode is more convenient then whitelist-mode.
Government. Is there anything it can do that does not hurt the economy? If it can, I haven't found one example yet so far.
+5 ironic for writing that on the internet.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Safari still has menu items to turn images, JavaScript, and CSS on and off for the current web page. The point of NoScript is to give you a greater level of granularity (i.e. allow just these scripts on this site, but not those) and to make these persist across browsing sessions.
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why not just use xxxterm?
+5 ironic for writing that on the internet.
- Oh, yes. Al Gore invented it, while DARPA misused an old packet switching protocol from POTS and mixed it up at tax payers expense with existing communication systems. Or did you think that before DARPA there were no networks? Or that DARPA came up with packet switching out of nothing?
How much innovation is stifled by government intervention into the economy, by mis-allocation of resources, and what would we have today if there was no government intervention and mis-allocation?
No, I don't consider my original comment ironic at all, I consider yours misguided.
You can't handle the truth.
Who exactly are you filing the complaints with?
It seems that there is at least a settled class-action suit (NFB v. Target 2006) (with no judgement entered to set precedent) , are there any cases that went to judgment for website accessibility?
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Why do all people assume that Javascript makes a site slow to load?
Javascript was the tool by which I could significantly *cut down* loading time for my site. Previously, I had to transmit a lot of redundant HTML. Now I'm transmitting the actual payload data as JSON and build the DOM tree on the client side.
Really, NoScript is the equivalent of "people use hammers when they should use screwdrivers, so let's ban all hammers". That's all fun and games unless you're the one who has to push a nail into the wall with a screwdriver because all hammers were banned in the latest panic wave du jour.
NoScript is THE extension I install on every FF. Incredibly useful and smart. Free. Along with FlashBlock they are my browsing essentials. When I get (more) geeky it's also several more but the important ones are those two. The retards here have complaints about it. The slashretards here have complaints about everything. Fuck you, people, you are scum. Slashdot is no more, the moderators are scum and this is dead. I could elaborate, but fuck you all the way to hell.
You mean like it is in Opera?
I see a potential improvement for Noscript, the identification of known tracking services.
comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
I would call NoScript nagware more than anything else. I imagine he's made at least ten times that from donations, seeing as every new version (which is about every couple of weeks) takes you to his website where he's begging for cash (and covered in ads). Also, he's been involved in probably more scandals than any other plugin created, including things like default whitelisting of many sites including advertisers, circumventing AdBlock Plus to display his own ads, and his general belligerent attitude in several other run-ins with other developers.
For the reason that this is already essentially commercial nagware, I'd say this is stupid, but I guess $10k isn't a lot of money for something used by millions of people.
[ 0]Though its insistence on opening up the homepage twice a week lately on minor updates is becoming a pet peeve.
You can change this, but of course, you have to RTFM to discover that. The horrors....
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
A bit of a coward too, nice combination Mr AC / fast turtle.
Every time a wacko like you misuses the ADA it weakens the case of actually disabled people. You doing that shit dilutes the meaning of "disabled". Now, this is not to say that Aspergers people like yourself are not *socially* disabled, but that is not what the ADA is for.
It's just all about you and what bothers you; who care who you hurt in your holy crusade. I guess that is right out of the dictionary definition of autistic spectrum, isn't it?
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You should print this out and hang it over your desk. That way when some crappy site's hacked javascript redirects you to a 0day flash driveby and your computer gets totally destroyed by 0day stuff that the antivirus and microsoft patches haven't dealt with yet, you can remember that you called whitelist security "nonsense".
:-) If anyone knows of such a device, please reply to this post. It can either be wireless or have 2 NICs built in. It should cost $80 or less, though $150 is probably a more realistic target.
Suggest everyone read this http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/index.html. The parent is guilty of items 1-3 on this list. He's a network infrastructure turd polisher.
People will say "Default deny is Hard(tm)". Then again so is reinstalling operating systems and getting all your gear and software to work again because you got redirected into malware that you can't remove because the malware removal guys are 6 months behind the malware writers.
I sleep very soundly at night and my kid won't get redirected to porn videos when he types "toy" in google. I am, in fact, releasing a very easy to use content filtering proxy fork, which is based on default deny, at the end of this month.
It's compiled for Yoggies but since Yoggie went out of business, I need to find another similar type of whitebox hardware to package it for, preferably a wireless device that runs linux, with a candy bar form factor, so I can make money installing them
Don't kid yourself. It's the size of the regexp AND how you use it that counts.
As a person who's legs don't work that well, it's kinda sad you use disabled people as your personal weapon to get revenge on things you don't like.
People use "the children" all the time as the excuse. "The disabled" is just another set of people. Not much difference; they both seem to be above everyone else according to the law.
One feature I would love is if it supported whole lists. That is whole white and black lists from different people that are assigned at different priority levels.
It makes the web unusable. I don't want to spend half my browsing time clicking on popups to decide if I want to allow every innocuous minor action by a pirce of sandboxed javascript code
IE had "zones" 10 years ago. Chrome has had per-site whitelisting for several major releases.
Mozilla... Mozilla has an open bug from the previous millenium.
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration. At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school. Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department. I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on Slashdot how the government can't do anything right.
"But this one goes to 11!"
A very well-deserved award. That extension right there is the primary reason I always use Firefox. Well, that, Adblock Plus, Flashblock, and Nuke Anything Enhanced. Makes viewing almost every webpage/site a clean, 99% ad-free readable experience.
That's real funny considering Slashdot apparently no longer supports script-free operation.
WHERE THE FUCK IS NOSCRIPT SUPPORT FOR SETTING COMMENT RATING THRESHOLD/DISPLAY MODE? WHY DID YOU REMOVE THIS, YOU DICKS.
Today's the first time I've been back here for weeks after being a daily reader for many years. The site has just progressively lost its functionality to the point I just don't care anymore. So I moved on.
Yes, all those things, none of them should exist or be done by government. I read about 2 lines, then the last line, the mid-section is obviously more of the same.
You can't handle the truth.
Yes, and as far as I can tell there isn't any way of doing it now. Which is annoying when you are OK temporarily allowing a long list, except for Facebook.
And allowing it site by site would definitely be helpful, just because I'm trusting a site with javascript doesn't mean that every site should also get that trust.
Access to the law is not misuse of the law. The law of the ADA as set forth by the DOJ is quite clear - government websites and commercial enterprises on the Web are required to be accessible by the deaf and blind. Period. Claiming that this is "misuse" is the equivalent of kicking your little feet and screaming you didn't ask to be born - you obviously have some issues with authority.
AC - yes fuckyouverymuch, I don't need griefers like you chasing me around the boards.
And no, I don't have Asperger's. Nice ad hominem. Do you have a problem with people with Asperger's, or other disabilities? I suggest you may need to look inward for the source of your issues with the ADA.
Grow the fuck up, Sport, or get the hell out.
I so agree! I've always wanted to print my own currency, but that darn gubermint just stops me all the time! :)
Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
Government shouldn't be printing its own currency either.
Mint can only mint coins for you, you bring it the gold/silver and it mints coins out of that for you. It's your material and coins that come out are also yours. They can charge a nominal fee for the work, that's all.
Government printing money is unconstitutional, but I'll be moded troll here for this again, but hey, what else is new?
You can't handle the truth.
Well - opinionated and can't be bothered to be informed. That's two out of three, if you are white you are automatically a Tea Party member! Congratulations!
Regulation bad. Anarchy good. Yeah, great argument. Because people will always voluntarily do the right thing if there are no consequences if they don't. Have you taken a look around at society lately? Thank god for laws.
If you want people to be aware of Giorgio Maone's mentality and motivations, you should probably link them to his blog entry on the matter. He goes into great detail.
Here are some snippits:
I screwed up. Big time.
Please let me apologize first, then briefly explain what happened from a slightly different point of view than Wladimir Palantâ(TM)s, then apologize again.
... I began tracking EasyList changes and counterreacting. Of course Ares2 didn't stop, nor I did, so we engaged in an escalation through more than 30 EasyList updates (even 4-5 per day) specifically aimed at my sites ... If you've got some familiarity with Adblock Plus filters, you'll notice any standard web technology beyond basic HTML/CSS (scripting, frames, AJAX) was completely disabled.
They got to the point where users could no longer even see the regular links to install NoScript or FlashGot.
If you're describing his actions only as "[abusing his] position for monetary gain", you are spreading a simplistic understanding of the situation. That is virtually misinformation.
If anyone expects to have and share an opinion on this matter they really ought to read his blog post.
Yes, actually having an opinion and having debunked the same thing over for about 145 times makes one stop caring about somebody stating the obvious wrong argument the 146 time around.
Will people voluntarily do the 'right thing'? Who is going to tell 'people' what the 'right thing' is? You?
You can't handle the truth.
Al Gore invented it,
But of course I shouldn't expect to reason you out of a position you never reasoned yourself into in the first place.
while DARPA misused an old packet switching protocol from POTS
Saying that shows that you fundamentally misunderstand the difference between POTS, by which you presumably mean circuit switching, and packet switching. It wasn't even derivative, much less "misuse" of circuit switching.
The earliest work on packet switching was done by Paul Baran at the RAND Corp, a US defense contractor.
How much innovation is stifled by government intervention into the economy, by mis-allocation of resources, and what would we have today if there was no government intervention and mis-allocation?
You write that as if the same can't be said of private corps. The world is far less black and white than you desire it to be.
No, I don't consider my original comment ironic at all, I consider yours misguided.
Ok, not ironic, just militantly ignorant.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Now I've found the problem with progressives. They've mixed up the words "regulation" and "innovation". By the way, the Fed is actually a corporation and not part of the government.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
My account has been downmoded, over 20 comments or so have been downmoded in about an hour to 'troll' and 'flame', etc., so I can't respond under my nick, it's locked for 24 hours, etc.etc. So I am sorry I can't reply under my nick. I think my comments are not needed on /., it looks like a consensus.
Who says I am a "progressive" besides you? I am not a huge "government should regulate everything" kind of guy, but saying the government has NEVER done anything right and provides no benefit is as naive as it is silly. There are things they have done right, and a list of some of them is in my post. Why does everybody on Slashdot need to put people in to one of two groups : Those who think everything the government does is evil, and those who think everything the government does is great? I don't think either of those represents my view at all. I think the government has done some things right, and some things wrong.
"But this one goes to 11!"
So you posted to whine instead?
Way to confirm the worst stereotypes of people like yourself.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
My point is, once I can reply under my nick I will. I don't like posting as AC.
As to the gist of your comment - you have stereotypes about 'people like me'? Funny.
Let's see
not an American.
lived in US, in Canada, in Israel, in Russia, in Ukraine, in Germany, in Switzerland in Singapore, run a couple of small businesses. Any stereotypes so far? Anyway, you'll have to wait until I can use my account. Cheers, asshole.
So, you basically want to live in a land with no government at all?
Is 1563649 a prime number?
I don't agree with this. I think awarding them for making the web safer by removing javascript is like awarding somebody for keeping children from hurting themselves by locking them in cages. Of course you're safer if you don't do anything. But the real goal should be to make things safer while still being able to use those features. they might as well give an award to Lynx for safe browsing.
?As to the gist of your comment - you have stereotypes about 'people like me'? Funny.
Yes, the stereotype is uncompromisingly loud-mouthed. thin-skinned and intellectually rigid. People like that love to trot out meaningless credentials as an appeal to authority. So yeah you hit the stereotype on the head with that reply too.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
So, you basically want to live in a land with no government at all?
Nah, he's all talk. Read his resume, he's spent years working for a canadian telco, sucking at the teat of government regulation.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
I understand you are blind to your own biases and issues. That doesn't mean you are not causing problems. I would bet real money that you would score high on the spectrum were you to honestly take any autistic spectrum test.
>> If I want kids, I'll go with a contract marriage that spells out the responsibilities of both parties.
>> Much cheaper in the long run and ensures that there is no possibility of being nailed for spousal
>> support or Alimony because of the contract.
REALLY high on the spectrum. Big money.
Humor from a Genetically Molested Mind
Yeah, I was a little unclear.
What I meant was that if you just install NoScript (which by default denies all scripts) and then never enable scripts on any site, you end up with the "neutered web" that the GP wrote about. If you do that, you don't need NoScript...you can just disable Javascript in the browser.
I would like to say "Fuck you" to whoever modded me Troll, you are a child. I merely pointed out MY experience with the program, i never said for others not to use it. Thats pretty much the opposite of a troll.
Good-bye
My computer is fully prepared to die, thats what backups are for. I dont worry about virii because I back up like a crazy person with no less then 3 full versions in 3 separate physical locations with versioning. I can be up and running in less then 10 minutes with a loss of no more then 8 hours of work. I would rather risk that then constantly approve/deny considering I have to backup no matter what.
You made my point for me: "how do you stop a 0 day? With backups thats how." IM not quite sure what to make of your "network infrastructure turd polisher" comment. Also, if re-deploying a drive clone is hard for you then I'm sorry that you suck. Hmm maybe you were too busy jerking off to your precious whitelist.
My main point is this, Noscript is more work then its worth FOR ME. I can mitigate its damage easier then the constant vigilance of running a list.
Good-bye
...for tasks that can be accomplished through other means. Or at least design your site so that it works without Javascript.
Chrome has the default ability to turn off all scripts, and then selectively reallow scripts for specific websites. That sounds very much like NoScript's main functionality, if you ask me.
I am not devoid of humor.
My problem wasn't with the opening of the page itself. It was with the frequency. Is some localization changes worth an update?
It turns out, no. I apparently got bit by some AMO bug or something that got me on the testing version so every single blasted change prompted me for an update.
People use "the children" all the time as the excuse. "The disabled" is just another set of people. Not much difference; they both seem to be above everyone else according to the law.
Why am I surrpised this comment is from an AC?
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
I am probably one of the least PC people on the planet. I would give you an example but I would hate for you to Godwin so early. Using the laws for the disabled to push your own personal agenda sucks big time. Make that you sucks big time.
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
I don't know about you but can't you just feel the love?
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
I own the building that is my office. No client ever comes to the actual office as it is not necessary. The only person who attends my office is me. Didn't stop them from forcing me to put in a ramp! And forbid that i should ever light a cigarette on my own property.
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
If it wasn't for the DOE you wouldn't have electricity, right?
and if it wasn't for the fire marshall and the bureacrats behind the building codes your house would be a smouldering ruin, right?
LOL - you're a bit thick aren't you?
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
That makes you a wheat eating, seal clubbing, zionist, republican, communist, nazi without testicles. Am I close?
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
I wouldn't worry about the moderation here anymore. /. has been invaded over the last few years by the anti-intellectuals and they seem to get a lot of modding input given to them.
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
It makes the web unusable. I don't want to spend half my browsing time clicking on popups to decide if I want to allow every innocuous minor action by a pirce of sandboxed javascript code
and others are sick of being told that because we are the millionth fuckstick-moron not using no-script that we have won a prize. The prize being an all expenses paid trip to a website that not only sells Viagra but gives you a chance to do a free IQ test. Fucking Hooray!
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
No, that's impossible. I find that using 5 flag methodology works though.
You can't handle the truth.
Ha, I worked for many Canadian and US telcos on contracts. I also had a contract with electrical utility, which used to be an arm of government.
I also contracted for Symcor, ADP, IFDS, Christie Digital, Boomboat, Avema. Subcontracted for World Insure, Davis + Henderson, Danli Promotions.
For the last 2 years I've been building my own suite of software for retail chains in Asia.
Thanks for asking.
You can't handle the truth.
funny, your comments are filled with ad-hominems here, talk about stereotypes.
funny, your comments are filled with ad-hominems here, talk about stereotypes.
Really? Do you know what an ad-hominem is? It ain't an insult. It's a argumentive fallacy that says "you are wrong because you suck." What I've done here is say "doing that means you suck because ..." Like making up an excuse to not respond to my points but instead still posting about how he's so put upon and unwanted. That's sucking.
Note that he came back 24 hours later and still didn't live up to his word to respond with his own account, despite posting a non-denial elsewhere in this thread. That's more proof of sucking.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
IE zones are terrible though, and don't work very well. Nothing at all like noscript.
And we won't even get into why the 'high security' zone still allows ActiveX and Javascript to run. And hell, I think it even allows font downloads still (how many exploits have there been for auto-font downloads, I lost count).