I think the exact opposite is true. A phrase is at its least derogatory when it is so ubiquitous that even those that were once being degraded are no longer aware they should be offended.
Yeah, well I don't think that EVER happens. It is easy to ignore prejudice when you aren't on the receiving end, it is impossible to ignore it when you are.
A word is at its most derogatory when it is used with full malice and prejudice.
When someone does that they are most interested in insulting the person because they are pissed off at them and such terms make for obvious weapons, it is not reflective of society at large. For example, in situations of intended malice other non-specific terms are generally added into the mix for effect as in "fucking blanks" or "asshole blank" or "damn blanks." Thus indicating specific anger at the person or group referenced. Compared to "teh gay" comments and all the others I listed in my previous post which are frequently uttered as a natural flow of language.
Yes... as if he's the only one who believes an AIG collapse would be devastating.::rollseyes: BTW, ever heard of the phrase "ad hominem fallacy"?
It is ironic you should say that because (a) Stating that an author has an inherent bias due to having money in the game is not ad hominem (b) Calling someone eye-rollingly stupid for not believing you is ad hominem
Plenty of people believe AIG is too big to fail, many do so merely because they take the word of people like Michael Lewitt. If you really wanted to support your claim, clearly you should have cited the opinion of someone without a vested interest in only presenting one side of the argument.
Excellent! So I suppose you have data and a good theory to back your bold claims? Or are you, perhaps, just talking out of your ass?
There are numerous reasons to believe the AIG bailout is an error. However, the most obvious one is the same reason used to justify the bailout - that AIG is too big to fail. If that premise is true, then obviously AIG has a defining and central role in the US and world economies. Yet the bailout has now placed control over such a massively key piece of market infrastructure into the hands of the government, in complete violation of the principles of the free market. It moves us ever closer to a command and control economy for which there are numerous examples of failure and of the relatively few examples of success, they are all on a micro-scale, like singapore, when compared to the US economy.
Look who the author of that op-ed piece is - President of Harch Capital Management - an investment advisory firm that serves institutional and high net worth investors. Clearly he has a vested interest in the bailout.
Furthermore, what goes up must come down. The bailouts are only prolonging the coming disaster because the system is fundamentally broken, and has been since at least the S&L crisis. We can take our beating now, or we can take one 10x worse in a decade or two, or we put that one off too and end up with one 100x worse in 30-40 years.
It is like the word "gay" in video games. When I was first introduced to the word online back on me ol' dial up connection playing Counter Strike people called each other "gay" and "faggot" all the time. After a little while, it was not derogatory to homosexuals.
And getting gyped isn't derogatory nor is it to jew down a price and indian giving is totally neutral.
Here's a clue -- a bigoted turn of phrase is at its most derogatory when the people using it accept it as just part of the vernacular and don't question it at all because that means their society has so completely accepted the bigotry to the point where they don't even notice it as being abnormal.
In before "your just a homophobe": I like lesbians and bi-sexual girls. My favorite bands include Judas Priest and Queen. Marriage is a LEGAL institution and in the US that means separate from religion. Prop 8 is unconstitutional and will eventually be overturned. It needs to have never been voted into law.
Furthermore, it isn't really all that relevant because when people could not donate directly to McCain's campaign, they were still free to donate to the RNC and a variety of other campaign 'support' organizations. RNC donations were 2x or 3x greater than DNC donations.
I call horseshit. I only care about the differences *I* can hear with the speakers/headphones *I* have. Isn't that the whole point? The shortcuts I can take without noticing a difference...
It is a heck of a lot easier to upgrade your equipment than it is to re-encode your audio, assuming you even have the original sources around. What sounds fine today on your current system may sound poor on your next system tomorrow.
Forest and the trees. I'm not saying my suggestion was the best, I'm just saying that picking the worst implementation is not a useful way to evaluate the paradigm.
Your problem is that you think your differentiation is absolute, that 100% of your time is 'invested' in "building a relationship." You are lying to yourself. Think about it the next time you find yourself sleeping on the proverbial couch.
If you are seriously going to equate the time and effort spent investing in a relationship with putting in some OT so you can nail someone at a brothel, then... well.. I feel sorry for you.
Look at your own word choice, it is revealing -- "investing." You are a dirty asshole too.
It is about the ego boost someone gets by sharing something cool with other people, the sharer gets praised for finding and promoting something of value to others. That ego boost is human nature that every single person on the planet has and unlike almost every other real crime - like murder, theft, rape, etc.
That commonality of sharing is Doctrow's point - not that sharing on the internet is massive scale versus sharing in one-to-one contacts. It isn't the scale that matters, it is the act.
You can't keep your arms up for an hour -- your shoulders aren't built for it. Ten minutes of using hand gestures, and you'll be too exhausted to work anymore.
I think you have discovered the cure for the fitness problem among geeks and office workers alike.
Consider trying to draw a straight line with hand gestures. It's going to be nearly impossible. Really easy with a keyboard.
While I agree in principal with your beef, I totally disagree with this example.
You assume that the hand-gesture interface for line drawing is going to look as closely like actually drawing a line as possible. That would be a terrible design decision and other than in the movies where there is dramatic effect, I don't think anyone would be so foolish as to implement it that way. A smart implementation would conform to what is easy for a human to do -- like one finger poke for the start of the line and another finger poke for the end of the line that follows your finger around until you poke even deeper in order to indicate that is where you want the end of the straight line to be.
But GPL would not protect against the feature-removal either.
You must not be familiar with the way Nvidia (and ATI) drivers work as I said when I wrote, "Kind of the way Nvidia's drivers work on all nvidia-based cards, regardless of card manufacturer."
What? Is prostitution really legal in RI? Do you have a reference for that? What's the tax rate? How is health maintained? Do you have to be licensed?
In Nevada, there's lots of rules. What are the rules for RI?
There is this great new website that can really make it easy to find the answers to all kinds of questions. It's called google, you should totally check it out.
Let's put England and Wales as two countries, even though they have the same law. The important European country "etc" is a nice touch.
Are you seriously trying to have a pissing contest over semantics? Just what do you hope to prove by doing so? All I see is a guy waving around a teeny-tiny internet penis.
Prostitution is legal in almost every european country - that doesn't mean pimping and brothels are, but then again, alcohol consumption is legal in every european country and yet public intoxication, often no more than simply drinking in a public park, is not. That there are limits on the extremes does not negate the fact that the core practice - money for sex - is legal.
Prostitution is legal in most of Europe as well as Canada.
Please back that up with some documentation.
Come on dude, about a million web pages back it up in one way or another. But here's one that spells it out in simple black and white in the first few sentences.
Creative has started selling chips to other soundcard manufacturers. Perhaps they are planning on increasing the number of companies they sell chips to.
If they released their driver source as BSD, those companies can add (and subtract) proprietary features to their drivers, but otherwise sell cards that are no more than a reference design -- thus making the Creative brand-name meaningless as a representation of consistent features and functionality. Kind of the way Nvidia's drivers work on all nvidia-based cards, regardless of card manufacturer.
Of course, Creative could have just kept the driver proprietary and do exactly what Nvidia does, but the main problem with that is they couldn't make their xfi driver work for shit to begin with.
Seems to be more anti-stupid-pointless-counter-effective-morality-police-legislation than pro-prostitution.
I'm equally both. I fully support prostitution for a number of reasons - what other job is there that is so purely about making another person happy? I'm also in favor of legalized prostitution in 3rd world countries. Which is worse - slaving away in a sweat shop 14 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week, or fucking some rich local or foreigner once or twice a week and keeping the remaining 80 hours each week for yourself and your family?
I have heard that many prostitutes file income tax returns.
Reason being that prostitution is usually a misdemeanor offense, while tax evasion is a felony.
And paying taxes doesn't require that you accurately describe the source of income. The IRS doesn't care what you do for money, only that they get their piece of the pie.
But if you are going to legalize prostitution, how are you going to keep 'survival sex' illegal? Because I don't believe society should put people into a position where they only consent to sex to survive.
Welfare. Same way we do it today.
Your entire argument is based on a faulty premise, that making the business illegal will reduce destructive behavior.
I think I'll survive knowing some 'too busy dirty asshole' didn't get to buy sex.
Lol, your bias is showing. Sex is NEVER free. One way or another, men pay for sex, cash, gifts or time, ultimately there is no such thing a free fuck. One way or another, we are all "dirty assholes," even you.
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I think the exact opposite is true. A phrase is at its least derogatory when it is so ubiquitous that even those that were once being degraded are no longer aware they should be offended.
Yeah, well I don't think that EVER happens. It is easy to ignore prejudice when you aren't on the receiving end, it is impossible to ignore it when you are.
A word is at its most derogatory when it is used with full malice and prejudice.
When someone does that they are most interested in insulting the person because they are pissed off at them and such terms make for obvious weapons, it is not reflective of society at large. For example, in situations of intended malice other non-specific terms are generally added into the mix for effect as in "fucking blanks" or "asshole blank" or "damn blanks." Thus indicating specific anger at the person or group referenced. Compared to "teh gay" comments and all the others I listed in my previous post which are frequently uttered as a natural flow of language.
Yes... as if he's the only one who believes an AIG collapse would be devastating. ::rollseyes:
BTW, ever heard of the phrase "ad hominem fallacy"?
It is ironic you should say that because
(a) Stating that an author has an inherent bias due to having money in the game is not ad hominem
(b) Calling someone eye-rollingly stupid for not believing you is ad hominem
Plenty of people believe AIG is too big to fail, many do so merely because they take the word of people like Michael Lewitt. If you really wanted to support your claim, clearly you should have cited the opinion of someone without a vested interest in only presenting one side of the argument.
Excellent! So I suppose you have data and a good theory to back your bold claims? Or are you, perhaps, just talking out of your ass?
There are numerous reasons to believe the AIG bailout is an error. However, the most obvious one is the same reason used to justify the bailout - that AIG is too big to fail. If that premise is true, then obviously AIG has a defining and central role in the US and world economies. Yet the bailout has now placed control over such a massively key piece of market infrastructure into the hands of the government, in complete violation of the principles of the free market. It moves us ever closer to a command and control economy for which there are numerous examples of failure and of the relatively few examples of success, they are all on a micro-scale, like singapore, when compared to the US economy.
Look who the author of that op-ed piece is - President of Harch Capital Management - an investment advisory firm that serves institutional and high net worth investors. Clearly he has a vested interest in the bailout.
Furthermore, what goes up must come down. The bailouts are only prolonging the coming disaster because the system is fundamentally broken, and has been since at least the S&L crisis. We can take our beating now, or we can take one 10x worse in a decade or two, or we put that one off too and end up with one 100x worse in 30-40 years.
It is like the word "gay" in video games. When I was first introduced to the word online back on me ol' dial up connection playing Counter Strike people called each other "gay" and "faggot" all the time. After a little while, it was not derogatory to homosexuals.
And getting gyped isn't derogatory
nor is it to jew down a price
and indian giving is totally neutral.
Here's a clue -- a bigoted turn of phrase is at its most derogatory when the people using it accept it as just part of the vernacular and don't question it at all because that means their society has so completely accepted the bigotry to the point where they don't even notice it as being abnormal.
In before "your just a homophobe": I like lesbians and bi-sexual girls. My favorite bands include Judas Priest and Queen. Marriage is a LEGAL institution and in the US that means separate from religion. Prop 8 is unconstitutional and will eventually be overturned. It needs to have never been voted into law.
Yeah, and I have many black friends too.
Do you realize that the only reason McCain was on public funding was because he could not cut through the red tape to get out of it?
Here is the letter McCain's campaign sent to the FEC early in 2008 to attempt to withdraw from public funding:
http://www.fec.gov/press/press2008/mccainletter.pdf
Furthermore, it isn't really all that relevant because when people could not donate directly to McCain's campaign, they were still free to donate to the RNC and a variety of other campaign 'support' organizations. RNC donations were 2x or 3x greater than DNC donations.
They give you a drug call the "G" that causes your bone marrow to percolate into your bloodstream.
That sounds like one of those beneficial uses of chemical weapons research. ick
I call horseshit. I only care about the differences *I* can hear with the speakers/headphones *I* have. Isn't that the whole point? The shortcuts I can take without noticing a difference...
It is a heck of a lot easier to upgrade your equipment than it is to re-encode your audio, assuming you even have the original sources around.
What sounds fine today on your current system may sound poor on your next system tomorrow.
Must be, since I don't see much insight in comparing a book about the sad lives of a bunch of mental patients with a regular prison.
Forest and the trees. I'm not saying my suggestion was the best, I'm just saying that picking the worst implementation is not a useful way to evaluate the paradigm.
Cuckoo's Egg
Your problem is that you think your differentiation is absolute, that 100% of your time is 'invested' in "building a relationship."
You are lying to yourself. Think about it the next time you find yourself sleeping on the proverbial couch.
That you brought it up reveals more about you than me. I distinguish between economic and other investments even if the terminology overlaps.
Thus my original reference to "time."
You just can't wipe it away.
If you are seriously going to equate the time and effort spent investing in a relationship with putting in some OT so you can nail someone at a brothel, then... well.. I feel sorry for you.
Look at your own word choice, it is revealing -- "investing." You are a dirty asshole too.
It is pure ego. Nothing more.
yes it, is. But not in any way like you claim.
It is about the ego boost someone gets by sharing something cool with other people, the sharer gets praised for finding and promoting something of value to others. That ego boost is human nature that every single person on the planet has and unlike almost every other real crime - like murder, theft, rape, etc.
That commonality of sharing is Doctrow's point - not that sharing on the internet is massive scale versus sharing in one-to-one contacts. It isn't the scale that matters, it is the act.
You can't keep your arms up for an hour -- your shoulders aren't built for it. Ten minutes of using hand gestures, and you'll be too exhausted to work anymore.
I think you have discovered the cure for the fitness problem among geeks and office workers alike.
Consider trying to draw a straight line with hand gestures. It's going to be nearly impossible. Really easy with a keyboard.
While I agree in principal with your beef, I totally disagree with this example.
You assume that the hand-gesture interface for line drawing is going to look as closely like actually drawing a line as possible. That would be a terrible design decision and other than in the movies where there is dramatic effect, I don't think anyone would be so foolish as to implement it that way. A smart implementation would conform to what is easy for a human to do -- like one finger poke for the start of the line and another finger poke for the end of the line that follows your finger around until you poke even deeper in order to indicate that is where you want the end of the straight line to be.
But GPL would not protect against the feature-removal either.
You must not be familiar with the way Nvidia (and ATI) drivers work as I said when I wrote, "Kind of the way Nvidia's drivers work on all nvidia-based cards, regardless of card manufacturer."
What? Is prostitution really legal in RI? Do you have a reference for that? What's the tax rate? How is health maintained? Do you have to be licensed?
In Nevada, there's lots of rules. What are the rules for RI?
There is this great new website that can really make it easy to find the answers to all kinds of questions.
It's called google, you should totally check it out.
Prostitution may be legal in "most" of Europe, but everywhere prostitutes are being thrown in jail. Some legality.
Maybe it's 'cos I'm a CS type of guy, but I can't write "semantics" off as easily as some people.
Utter failure to comprehend the alcohol analogy. You apparently have just as much problem with alcohol drinks being thrown in jail too.
Let's put England and Wales as two countries, even though they have the same law.
The important European country "etc" is a nice touch.
Are you seriously trying to have a pissing contest over semantics?
Just what do you hope to prove by doing so? All I see is a guy waving around a teeny-tiny internet penis.
Prostitution is legal in almost every european country - that doesn't mean pimping and brothels are, but then again, alcohol consumption is legal in every european country and yet public intoxication, often no more than simply drinking in a public park, is not. That there are limits on the extremes does not negate the fact that the core practice - money for sex - is legal.
Prostitution is legal in most of Europe as well as Canada.
Please back that up with some documentation.
Come on dude, about a million web pages back it up in one way or another. But here's one that spells it out in simple black and white in the first few sentences.
Creative has started selling chips to other soundcard manufacturers.
Perhaps they are planning on increasing the number of companies they sell chips to.
If they released their driver source as BSD, those companies can add (and subtract) proprietary features to their drivers, but otherwise sell cards that are no more than a reference design -- thus making the Creative brand-name meaningless as a representation of consistent features and functionality. Kind of the way Nvidia's drivers work on all nvidia-based cards, regardless of card manufacturer.
Of course, Creative could have just kept the driver proprietary and do exactly what Nvidia does, but the main problem with that is they couldn't make their xfi driver work for shit to begin with.
It is already legal in Rhode Island.
Seems to be more anti-stupid-pointless-counter-effective-morality-police-legislation than pro-prostitution.
I'm equally both. I fully support prostitution for a number of reasons - what other job is there that is so purely about making another person happy? I'm also in favor of legalized prostitution in 3rd world countries. Which is worse - slaving away in a sweat shop 14 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week, or fucking some rich local or foreigner once or twice a week and keeping the remaining 80 hours each week for yourself and your family?
I have heard that many prostitutes file income tax returns.
Reason being that prostitution is usually a misdemeanor offense, while tax evasion is a felony.
And paying taxes doesn't require that you accurately describe the source of income. The IRS doesn't care what you do for money, only that they get their piece of the pie.
But if you are going to legalize prostitution, how are you going to keep 'survival sex' illegal? Because I don't believe society should put people into a position where they only consent to sex to survive.
Welfare. Same way we do it today.
Your entire argument is based on a faulty premise, that making the business illegal will reduce destructive behavior.
I think I'll survive knowing some 'too busy dirty asshole' didn't get to buy sex.
Lol, your bias is showing. Sex is NEVER free. One way or another, men pay for sex, cash, gifts or time, ultimately there is no such thing a free fuck. One way or another, we are all "dirty assholes," even you.