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Which Computer Books For Prisoners?

Brian D. writes "I've recently begun working with a group that sends books to prisoners in federal and state prisons. We try to match their requests as well as we can. One request that we consistently have trouble filling is for computer books. This is not for lack of books, but because the prisoners' requests tend to be vague and their computer resources are obviously severely limited. Keep in mind that we send prisoners all types of books — from gardening and landscaping to cooking and sailing — about topics they don't have the resources to experiment with. With basically one shelf devoted to books on computing, what types of books should I tell them we should keep? What are the best types of books to send a prisoner who requests a book on 'computer repair?'"

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  1. Send them... by collinstocks · · Score: 0

    ...books on how to repair computers...

    I'm not quite sure what you are asking. It seems pretty clear that this person wants to develop a skill in repairing computers that he can use when he leaves. Is there an "IT for Dummies" you can send him?

    1. Re:Send them... by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Informative
      If you look in the back of any issue of 2600. There are plenty of requests from prisoners and I'm sure that can help guide you.

      At random:

      Offline Outlaw In Texas
      is looking for any books Unix/Linux I can get my hands on. Also very interested in privacy in all areas. If you can point me in the right direction or feel like teaching an old dog some new tricks, drop me a line. I'll answer all letters. Props to those who already have, you know who you are. William Lindley 822934, 1300 FM 655, Rosharon, TX 77583-8604.

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    2. Re:Send them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"It seems pretty clear that this person wants to develop a skill in repairing computers that he can use when he leaves."
      Wow...just, 'wow'....

      Exactly! The person could be a female prisoner as well. How sexist of you!

    3. Re:Send them... by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      Based on this story, some inmates at least would welcome some more advanced material.

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    4. Re:Send them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can someone please explain WTF "Props" is supposed to mean or be shorthand for?

    5. Re:Send them... by calyxa · · Score: 3, Informative

      I typed "etymology props" into Google and came away with "shorthand for 'proper respect'."

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    6. Re:Send them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks!

    7. Re:Send them... by Baldur_of_Asgard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Typical - an inmate convicted of a non-crime (ooh! he had scary pictures!). So the authorities treat him like shit, and he finds a way to strike back. Bully for him! Best of luck in the future!

      In the modern age, shouldn't access to the internet be a right of every prisoner? It is just too important to modern life to cut off access. Some restrictions may be in order, but cutting off access entirely is just going too far. Let's not forget that most prisoners will be leaving prison some day. Preventing them from keeping up with what is going on in the world is an unnecessarily cruel punishment in a world in which we all have to keep updated just to keep from being overwhelmed.

      Of course, a bigger problem is all the people in prison who shouldn't be there. America keeps 1% of adults in prison, and still pretends to be a "free" country. Most of the people in prison are there because of non-crimes like possession of drugs or pornography. Aren't we past that kind of moralistic bullshit? When will America grow up?

    8. Re:Send them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      an inmate convicted of a non-crime (ooh! he had scary pictures!)

      I'm no fan of laws against possession of data, but if you read the article, you get the impression that there's more to it. They found the pictures on his cell phone. People don't usually download pictures to their cell phone, so one may assume he took the pictures himself, using his cell phone.

      Which is part of the reason why crimes against possession are a bad idea. If the police just charged him with possession of those pictures they might have decided that it was enough to put him in jail, and never used the resources necessary to investigate where the hell he got those pictures, which might be the important crime.

    9. Re:Send them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.

    10. Re:Send them... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      i absolutely agree with you. what disturbs me even more is the growing trend of "supermax" prisons where most inmates are put into solitary confinement devoid of any social contact or other mental stimuli. sensory deprivation is beyond cruel; it's a form of torture that can leave permanent mental/psychological trauma. often inmates report hearing voices and other symptoms of psychological degeneration within a few weeks of being put into solitary confinement.

      i can understand that with some trouble inmates, like gang members, they can pose a threat to the safety of prison staff and other inmates. therefore, because of the prison system's limited resources solitary confinement is the only practical option. but if we want to call ourselves a civilized society, we need to observe basic humanitarian standards.

      with a simple thin client and internet access, inmates can be given free access to great quantities of information and also provided with a healthy level of mental stimuli. it'd be both cost effective/practical and humane. plus, giving inmates internet access would ensure that they had contact with the outside world (friends, family, legal counsel, etc.) without the risk of contraband being smuggled through.

      this way we could ensure that the poor underprivileged minorities are subjected to a Kafkaesque nightmare where the prison system is just locking people up and throwing away the key, giving people no recourse for wrongful imprisonment or abuse by prison officials.

    11. Re:Send them... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      His third time caught with verified child porn. That's not just "scary pictures", but illegal materials. That he was a repeat offender speaks of him as well.

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    12. Re:Send them... by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but if we want to call ourselves a civilized society, we need to observe basic humanitarian standards.

      with a simple thin client and internet access, inmates can be given free access to great quantities of information and also provided with a healthy level of mental stimuli. it'd be both cost effective/practical and humane. plus, giving inmates internet access would ensure that they had contact with the outside world (friends, family, legal counsel, etc.) without the risk of contraband being smuggled through.

      this way we could ensure that the poor underprivileged minorities are subjected to a Kafkaesque nightmare where the prison system is just locking people up and throwing away the key, giving people no recourse for wrongful imprisonment or abuse by prison officials.

      ÂFriends, family,..Â, as well as victims, outside gang-members et cetera. I think that putting the prisoner per default in the victim role is not going to go well in a society that has known some prisoner-pampering, and the response from the well-behaving citizen. The reference to Kafka is a nice one, but a very small minority of those references are correct. Most of the times the punishment is a deserved one. Most of the times the prisoner is a selfish person that only thought of bettering himself, regardless of the victim(s).

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    13. Re:Send them... by FlyByPC · · Score: 2

      "Books on how to repair computers" sounds like "A+ certification texts" to me. A good entry-level trade, and not too controversial.

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    14. Re:Send them... by tekiegreg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well there's 2 sides to this coin, on the one hand you have inmates who are remorseful for what they did and eager to re-enter society. These people indeed I have no problem spending my taxpayer dollars on to fund computers and other devices to let them stay in tuned with the world.

      But most of your types in State Prison? The hardcore, those who have no intention of leaving or functioning normally in society. Whom would view a computer and say "what kind of improvised weapon can I make to better make someone's life hell and/or kill them?" They're a$$holes pure in simple.

      The trick is to separate one from the other here and fund accordingly...

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    15. Re:Send them... by FLEB · · Score: 1

      But what's the point? Is solitude or confinement working to create a positive net gain to society? Is the person leaving reformed? Is there even enough of an immediate connection between crime and punishment that the criminal is deterred from later criminal activity? The problem I see is that those who decry such measures as coddling, and who want tougher punishment, rarely propose anything aside from fewer amenities or more time-- "more of the same"-- without examination of whether "the same" is working, driven by the overwhelming inertia of the penitentiary idea being "the method" for criminal handling.

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    16. Re:Send them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about the significant number of people in State Prisons are there because of non-violent drug related crimes. Technically they haven't hurt anyone (except maybe themselves, but that is certainly not cause for incarceration), and yet they are thrown in with murderers and violent offenders.

      Not everyone is in prison because they are evil, some people are victims of circumstance and really really lousy legislation.

    17. Re:Send them... by tekiegreg · · Score: 1

      You do bring up a point Mr. AC, but in the end it still boils down to 2 classifications as I think and refine my view.

      • Those who want to get out of prison and make something out of life; in your instance it's the junkie that would like to make a normal life if he could kick that habit once and for all.
      • Those who are career criminals (in your instance, they also do drugs or it's the drugs that make them that way).

      You can also sub-classify within as simply A) A$$hole or B) Non-A$$hole

      Either way I'd just rather not see those who have bad intents with a computer (the A$$holes) simply not be allowed near them.

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    18. Re:Send them... by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

      But what's the point? Is solitude or confinement working to create a positive net gain to society? Is the person leaving reformed? Is there even enough of an immediate connection between crime and punishment that the criminal is deterred from later criminal activity? The problem I see is that those who decry such measures as coddling, and who want tougher punishment, rarely propose anything aside from fewer amenities or more time-- "more of the same"-- without examination of whether "the same" is working, driven by the overwhelming inertia of the penitentiary idea being "the method" for criminal handling.

      Three reasons for imprisonment:
      1 Revenge for the victims
      2 Punishment for the detainee
      3 (Temporarily) withdrawal from society for re-education purposes

      You may suggest something better (tested as 'effective'), and then we'll discuss yÃur proposal. Agreed?

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  2. Well...How about by djupedal · · Score: 0

    'Ghost in the Machine'
    'I-Robot Trilogy'

    Languages come and go, but these will help with a foundation they can use for decades.

    1. Re:Well...How about by Annymouse+Cowherd · · Score: 1

      What are the best types of books to send a prisoner who requests a book on 'computer repair'?"

    2. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 1, Troll

      Well... How about NONE!!!

      Remediation isn't working. Turn jail back to punishment instead of providing for '3 hots and a cot' where they get to watch cable, hang out, workout, play sports, and ,in general, live better than those serving our country. If you do let them out of their cells, make them work. A make the work hard. Our jails are a virtually untapped wealth of labor. Put it to good use.

      Hell, I don't even have cable tv.

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    3. Re:Well...How about by sheath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wholeheartedly agree - anything to make the U.S. even *more* like China is fine by me!

      Let's see - the government already has the right to hold you indefinitely without charging you if they think you're a terrorist; listen to any phone call you make, anywhere, whenever, with the help of the phone companies; and executes more people than any other country on earth - except China.

      Hey - why not install a firewall that prevents access to 'illegal content', like Australia is trying? As long as you're taking away freedoms, why stop with just prisoners?

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    4. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah because the prison rapes, shitty food, violence, and overcrowding isn't punishment enough. Not to mention the fact that when these people get back out into society depending on the state, they will be second class citizens and will have a hard time finding work and keeping honest. You sound like one of those just-world assholes who think everyone in prison deserved to be there or that hell isn't punishment enough for breaking a law. Murder is one thing, theft and drug possession is something entirely different.

    5. Re:Well...How about by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      Bitter, are you?

      Please crawl back under your rock, and await the second coming of the medieval messiah you so obviously worship.

      FWIW, I haven't got cable either, but I don't bitch about it.

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    6. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 0, Troll

      Oh. wow. alliteration.

      Since you're obviously more enlightened than a medieval mental midget (oh, look, I can use alliteration also) what makes you think that our jails aren't harsh enough?

      FWIW, cable isn't available. If it were, I still don't think I'd subscribe. Possibly, but I doubt it.

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    7. Re:Well...How about by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      I was trying to imply that the mindset that 'prison is for punishment' belongs, if not to the medieval period, then to a time long, long ago.

      If you do think that way, then you're obviously a benighted backwoods brutalist who has never been exposed to enlightened thought (damn - I love alliteration, don't you?), but then again I think you and I are unlikely ever to agree, so the point is moot.

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    8. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First, let me say that this repsonse made me laugh. Not in the "Oh hey, look at the moron" sense, but I like the humor in your post. It's shows the intellect behind your opinion.

      I don't think the point is moot. I have a malleable mind (drat, there's that alliteration again) and am open to hear others' ideas.

      What little religious faith I have is in the Quaker mindset. They had something to do w/ the 'modernization' of the prisons (in Philly?). They believed the conditions were too harsh. As a human, I'd love to believe that enriching people while they are in prison would be a worthwhile endeavor. I don't see that happening. While growing up through high school, my family taught equality and acceptance. Once I started living my own life, I've seen that this might not be the best approach. Some sub-cultures in America have placed a mark of honor on those that have been incarcerated. They have not availed themselves to the oppurtunities that their "jaunt/bid" in prison provided to them. They are just 'goofing off' until their time is up. There is no deterrent to keep them from coming back.

      Maybe there should be a tiered system. 1st time offenders are provided w/ the means to better themselves. Subsequent visitors have to earn their return to society.

      I would be thrilled to see all prisoners learn a trade and once they were released, they could be a productive citizen. In its current form, prison sentences aren't doing this. This is why I advocate making prison harder.

      One other issue I have is that once your sentence is complete, it should be forgiven. It should not hinder you. As a felon, you shouldn't have to appeal your right to vote or buy a gun.

      I'm interested in hearing your stance. As I said, I have a mal^h^h^h flexible mind.

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    9. Re:Well...How about by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      But who is to say that they were justly put in jail? Heck, who even says that the laws they were charged under are fair, that the trial they got was fair, that the jury was unbiased towards them? We don't know that.

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    10. Re:Well...How about by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      I sort of agree with you - with the proviso that much more must be done for first time minor offenders.

      There are crimes (or combinations of a crime and a criminal) that should require lengthy incarceration, but the legal and correctional framework to allow for minor offenders to get the help they usually need because of failures in their upbringing while ensuring that dangerous or repeat offenders are kept separate from the rest of us just isn't there.

      Quakers have done an enormous amount to reform prisons both in the US and the UK - William Penn in the US and Elizabeth Fry in the UK are prime examples.

      Perhaps Obama needs a Quaker advisor on prison reform?

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    11. Re:Well...How about by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that second sentence is annoyingly long. I should have previewed and edited it properly :o)

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    12. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 0, Troll

      I can see your point about some of the laws not being the way that I would have written if I were king. Alas, you and I are king. If someone elects to live in America, they must abide the laws. These laws are, for the most part, consistent with society at large. Most folks in jail aren't there for 'civil disobedience' issues.

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    13. Re:Well...How about by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      they could be a productive citizen

      Some fraction will never be. Some other fraction will not be given a chance to be. I suspect that adjusting the "prison harshness" slider will not change either number.

      There are good reasons to limit prisoner coddling to "enough to prevent riots" though.

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    14. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a felon, you shouldn't have to appeal your right to vote or buy a gun.

      So someone who does time for armed robbery or assault with a deadly weapon while using as firearm should be able to get out of prison and be able to buy a gun?

      FYI I'm a pretty damned rabid defender of the 2nd Amendment but as for many classes of felons having any legal access to guns whatsoever my opinion is no, just flat out no, en oh, uh-uh, no way Jose, bad idea.

    15. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow, most of the time I say Quaker, people think of oatmeal.

      As I don't work too much in the field, I don't know what the different penalties are. Minor infarctions shouldn't be handled w/ the heavy hand I alluded to in the first post. I had the scenario of violent crime in mind. I should have stated that.

      If someone had a bench warrant for not paying a speeding ticket in a town around here where the court was in session only 2 weeks, my harsh stance wouldn't apply as I see it.

      It's a tough problem to figure out and I wish I had a solution.

      How would you propose long term or life inmates be handled. Let's use murder for an example. The person will (hopefully) never be returning to society. Should they be relegated to serving the community through working off their life sentence? Since release is not an option, should they be relegated to hard labor? Not as in breaking big rocks into little ones, but doing the jobs nobody else is volunteering for?

      An example of someone who I think could be offered reform would be a prostitute. While it may be the world's oldest profession and possibly not a reason to be in jail, I think that a person in this situation may be a prime candidate for reform.

      What are your thoughts about this option? Instead of being sent to jail, have this prostitute provide evidence of successful completion of a course on general data entry at a community college. I don't have any figures, but I could imagine that the cost of providing training for this individual would be less than that of imprisoning them, especially since they aren't overly endangering the general public.

      Before this conversation ends, I'd like to know what you've been reading. The last fiction I read was "Last of the Breed". I'd like to read what you've read to further develop my ideas.

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    16. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 0, Troll

      NP. I've had so many spelling and grammatical errors in my posts to /. that I've had to start including the disclaimer in my signature.

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    17. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone elects to live in America...

      Trolllllinggg...

    18. Re:Well...How about by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Riiiight, because we all know that cops don't ever frame people. And that trials are always fair, and no on ever plants "evidence" or the media ends up influencing the trial. Not to mention on how all of society believes that everything that's illegal is really wrong *cough* drugs, copyright *cough*

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    19. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 0, Troll

      Alright.... Since you haven't provided anything constructive to conversation, I'll have to say farewell.

      Best wishes to you.

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    20. Re:Well...How about by sykes1024 · · Score: 1

      There is more than one reason to send people to prison. And some would disagree as to what those reasons are. Your comment suggests that you believe that punishment or retribution are the primary reason. However, prison can also be for rehabilitation and to simply remove criminals from society. If rehabilitation or societal removal were our primary goals, then making their lives a complete living hell is unnecessary. Especially if our goal is rehabilitation, making their lives unnecessarily unbearable could be counterproductive.

    21. Re:Well...How about by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know why someone modded this insightful. I should have been modded ignorant and inflammatory.

      First of all, the government does not have the right to hold you indefinitely if they think you're a suspected terrorist. They never had the right to hold American citizens in that way even though they attempted to. However, a couple of Supreme Court cases showed the government the error of their ways and they give trials now.

      Second, the government doesn't have the right to listen to any phone call you make unless you have presented yourself as an imminent threat. The entire TSP wiretaps and the FISA changes are related to foreigners and only enter into Americans when they are talking to suspected terrorist or known terrorist. The government never has and never claimed to have the ability to pick up on the line and listen to your Aunt Jane's cookie recipe or how your daddy never hugged you enough.

      The election is over, lets quit inflating things beyond what they are to incite people. If you really and truly believe in what you said, then you need to look around a little more.

    22. Re:Well...How about by mewshi_nya · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, most studies have shown that, for every dollar spent on rehabilitation (drug rehab; job training; religious training (yeah, I know, it's stupid)) that saves between 2 and 5 dollars in future incarceration costs, to say nothing of the benefit to society.

      Not only that, those who go into generally 'hard' prisons tend to come out hardened criminals. There is a strict social order in prison, which doesn't exists in the real world; there is a strong incentive to become 'hard' in prison (self protection); there is a general sense of resentment. By putting people in "hard" prisons, we make it so that they tend to be more likely to recidivate.

      Most crime is caused by poverty; poverty is caused by a failure of society. By rectifying these failures, we can eliminate most crime.

    23. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 0, Troll

      Psyche, please read the other posts in the thread. I had a good conversation w/ Apropos. Let me know what other ideas you have in regards to though messages.

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    24. Re:Well...How about by aproposofwhat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's difficult to make hard and fast rules about these things, but murder is one of the crimes I had in mind when saying that some combinations of crime and criminal require a long period of incarceration.

      Even then, there are circumstances in which I would prefer to see the offender rehabilitated - as an example, where the perpetrator is young, and the crime is motivated by something other than greed (I'm thinking vengeance, fear, or other circumstances here).

      Someone who is prepared to take a human life while carrying out a robbery is obviously not likely to respond to rehabilitation, but a kid who lashes out with a knife through fear may well be ready to be a productive member of society after ten years or so of prison, given the correct guidance.

      Those for whom hope is slim or none should at least be given something meaningful to do for their life term - not the worst jobs, but something according to their capabilities.

      Some murderers are best dealt with in secure psychiatric units - Broadmoor (the most notorious unit in Britain) is just a few miles from me, and I have had the privilege to know some of the staff there, and their job is scary to say the least.

      Your example of a prostitute is more difficult for me - I am in favour of criminalising the client rather than the prostitute, as I see the prostitute as the victim rather than the criminal.

      Free education for prostitutes is a good idea, but naming and shaming the clients in their local community would be my preferred option.

      As to reading - I read almost anything, though my preferred genres are crime (Iain Banks' Inspector Rebus novels are superb) and old sci-fi - Stanislaw Lem is the master.

      Thanks for the discussion - and by the way, Quakers didn't just make porrige, they started Cadbury's, Fry's, Rowntree's, Lloyd's and Barclay's banks, and the Stockton and Darlington railway (the first steam railway in the world).

      Truly a good religion, if ever there was one - I'm a non-practising Methodist myself.

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    25. Re:Well...How about by bluelip · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the obvious 'unjust' laws such as prostitution and lesser drugs, wouldn't the current jail system indicate that the system isn't working?

      My concern is the harder criminals who server only a few years. Instead of them coming out stronger criminals, let's give them a reason to not come back.

      I do, sincerely, want to hear your opinions.

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    26. Re:Well...How about by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 1

      ..Iain Banks' Inspector Rebus novels are superb...

      Just a slip, I imagine, but the Inspector Rebus books are written by Ian Rankin, not Iain Banks.

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    27. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Murder is one thing, theft and drug possession is something entirely different.

      Hmm. I would have put theft on the other side of that divide. Murder and theft both inconvenience someone else - to different degrees, sure, but it's a quantitative rather than a qualitative difference. On the other hand, drug possession (or use, for that matter), affects nobody else.

    28. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's an insanely black and white view, especially your previous post.

      At a guess: Republican?

    29. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Murder is one thing, theft and drug possession is something entirely different.

      Even a murderer is a human being and he deserves to be treated like such.
      Also prisons aren't about punishment, they should provide ways for rehabilitation.

    30. Re:Well...How about by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Gay Marriage is illegal - is it wrong? Well, I don't agree with being gay, but I'm not going to force someone to be straight.

      Still, There *are* some things that are wrong AND illegal. And because the system is broken and doesn't put away the real criminals, the cops have to take measures to put them away on their own. Honestly, don't you learn anything from american movies?

    31. Re:Well...How about by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, drug possession (or use, for that matter), affects nobody else.

      you're trolling..
      and I'll bite: possession doesn't hurt anyone. Unless someone else wants what you've got. Or you want to get possession and have way of buying it.

    32. Re:Well...How about by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      FWIW, cable isn't available. If it were, I still don't think I'd subscribe. Possibly, but I doubt it.

      Yes, no worries, we've got hulu!

    33. Re:Well...How about by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Instead of them coming out stronger criminals, let's give them a reason to not come back.

      Yes, let us start a 3-strikes-and-you're-castrated system. That'll provide incentive, considering the number of men in the penal system.

    34. Re:Well...How about by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      I'm a non-practising Methodist myself

      then you're not really a methodist are you.

      Hey look, I'm a non-practicing weight lifter, a non-driving bus-driver, and a non-smoking smoker.

      Honestly - if you're not religious, stop claiming to be religious and making all the real religious nutjobs look bad!

    35. Re:Well...How about by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      You're on slashdot. You're not having a private conversation. But you are using spell check and picking the wrong words. (though = those?)

    36. Re:Well...How about by ultranova · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would be thrilled to see all prisoners learn a trade and once they were released, they could be a productive citizen. In its current form, prison sentences aren't doing this. This is why I advocate making prison harder.

      This will simply make the "mark of honour" more valuable, as well as produce hardened criminals. It won't deter crime, thought; the Romans, with their habit of crucifying criminals or feeding them to lions in their softer moments, couldn't do it, so neither can you, no matter what you make the punishment into.

      Oh, and harder punishments also give criminals more incentive to kill the witnesses.

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    37. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On behalf of the 95% of the planet that are not american citizens, your response does not reassure me.

    38. Re:Well...How about by krnpimpsta · · Score: 1

      you're trolling..
      and I'll bite: possession doesn't hurt anyone. Unless someone else wants what you've got. Or you want to get possession and have way of buying it.

      .

      you're trolling..
      and I'll bite: Still not hurting anyone in those cases. If that was "hurting someone," then YOU would be "hurting someone" if I bought a pair of chopsticks from you and stabbed myself in the eye with them. Hurting myself or others with those chopsticks is my own fault, and not yours (the seller). Ford is hurting someone when I buy a car and run over a baby. Should we make it illegal to sell or possess cars that can be abused to cause harm?

      How about this: people hurt each other. Sometimes drugs are involved. Sometimes guns are involved. Sometimes chopsticks are involved. Don't make drugs, cars, chopsticks, and guns illegal to own (because the law clearly does not work as intended in two of the cases). Instead, why not try to convince people to stop hurting each other?

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    39. Re:Well...How about by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 1

      Someone doesn't necessarily "elect to live in America". It's harder to emigrate than you think.

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      Benford's Corollary to Clarke's Law: "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
    40. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... How about NONE!!!

      Yeah, making it possible for them become productive members of society is the last thing we want.

    41. Re:Well...How about by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      I'm non-practising in the sense that I don't go to church, and don't do the god thing.

      But my attitudes and the way I live my life are influenced by my upbringing, so I still view myself as a Methodist.

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    42. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some sub-cultures in America have placed a mark of honor on those that have been incarcerated. They have not availed themselves to the oppurtunities that their "jaunt/bid" in prison provided to them. They are just 'goofing off' until their time is up. There is no deterrent to keep them from coming back.

      All rappers deserve the death penalty and view a prison sentence as a badge of honor and higher record sales. In fact, society would be well served if every rapper with a gun was taken down with deadly force even after surrendering. POP! in the head.

      However, most of the prisoners could be rehabilitated if they had a chance to get their life back on track.

    43. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep - too much vodka and not enough sleep :o)

    44. Re:Well...How about by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      First time offenders and repeat offenders shouldn't be mixed in prisons, I think that would help a lot and would have the rehabilitation attitude for the first timers.

    45. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nearly universal laws prohibiting you from marrying multiple people are right.

      and

      The Florida and Arkansas laws limiting marriage and adoption to male-female pairs are right.

      You are *SO* american. Just, fyi. American, and obviously proud of it. Also, you're an idiot. Usually it goes along with being an american. but since you're an american, you might not have realized it.

    46. Re:Well...How about by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Instead, why not try to convince people to stop hurting each other?

      Because people who are on drugs, or drunk, or in need of booze or drugs don't listen. I mean, if people acted rationally, we wouldn't have anyone voting republican.

    47. Re:Well...How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you have to do is pay attention to what goes on instead of running and hiding or start spouting off and ignoring everything as soon as something sounds like you don't agree with it.

      Don't take my word for it, just read a damn newspaper.

    48. Re:Well...How about by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 1

      Murder is one thing, theft and drug possession is something entirely different.

      Even a murderer is a human being and he deserves to be treated like such. Also prisons aren't about punishment, they should provide ways for rehabilitation.

      Why is parent AC? If what you say is just and right, then put your UID on it.

      What prisons are about is not necessarily what they should be about. Many people want prisons to be about punishing offenders, rather than being about protecting society from offenders. The former is revenge, which is a natural feeling but which does nothing to repair the harm done, nor to prevent its recurrence. The latter is more rational, more what human beings should do.

      How a society treats its prisoners says a lot about the society's degree of civilization. People get to prison because they are broken and messed up in some way. If you look at the lives and family histories of these people, you'll generally find abuse and neglect of some kind. If a person has no respect for himself, why would he care about anyone else? Maybe he can be habilitated in prison ("re"-habilitation implies useful job and life skills that were lost; I submit that there were insufficient skills to begin with), and if not, then when he gets out, he'll screw up and go right back into the prison system again.

      Perhaps we cannot afford to take chances of another "screw-up" from a murderer, but most of the others will serve their time and be released. They can either learn, through systematic neglect and abuse in prison, that there is nothing for them to gain in playing by the rules, or they can learn skills and self-respect, and that society will reward them with a decent living if they work hard and play by the rules when they get out.

      One may choose to dismiss teaching job skills to prisoners as goody-two-shoes altruism, but I see it also as cost-effective prevention of recidivism.

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      "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." -- George Orwell
  3. Well... by DesScorp · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...they say that prison is nothing but a graduate school to make better criminals. So anything from Microsoft Press, I suppose.

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    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they have nothing to do and no goal (especially life-time prisoners), they will tend to crime.
      But giving them opportunities in work and education can be a win-win for the prisoners, the prison and the "world outside". It also makes getting along easier.

    2. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the other way and maybe NOT sending hacking exposed or something of the like. they are prisoners......

    3. Re:Well... by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      or write a book called "how to hack" and fill it with useless, wrong stuff and send that for enjoyment.

    4. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Keys to Success for Dummies"

  4. Certification by Rinisari · · Score: 4, Informative

    Send them certification books, i.e. Network+, A+, Security+ study books, as well as theoretical computer science books. These materials rarely require access to an actual computer.

    If it's "computer repair" books that they really want, Mueller's Upgrading and Repairing PCs is one of the best books. I've not used it in a long while, but I think it's not as much hands-on stuff. I know it covers a ton.

    1. Re:Certification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll second that recommendation. "Upgrading and Repairing PCs" is inexpensive, thick, and full of useful information.

    2. Re:Certification by Lazyrust · · Score: 0
      I agree. These are excellent recommendations. Ive even given Upgrading and Repairing PCs as a gift to people who were interested in computer repair.

      And at the very least, it will give people coming out of the system something to look forward to, becoming productive citizens and be reintegrated into society.

      For those who arent in for very long, 5-10 years, it gives them a trade where they can employ themselves, or have a valuable skill that will allow them to be hired and support themselves.

      Its very unfortunate that there are those who come out of the system that are "institutionalized" to the prison system, under-educated, incapable of coping in society, lost without direction, incapable of funtioning without a regulated regimen or just lacking ambition who put themselves back on track to get back into the system almost immediately. I have known people in this very situation.

      Having relevant skills and income lead to self respect, self worth, self support, and a decrease in recidivism. I've never seen anyone in the outside world support themselves making license plates.

    3. Re:Certification by fafalone · · Score: 1

      That's a bit advanced for all but a tiny fraction of prisoners.
      I'd say that most of the computer books should be basic things like how to use Office and send e-mail; or books introducing HTML.
      Due to the drug exception to the 4th amendment and my adventures in self medicating my social anxiety and Aspergers, I unfortunately had the opportunity to meet these people one month. It was quite clear that I was the only person in that facility (county, not prison) who knew how to do anything more advanced than myspace. While I certainly would have appreciated some books on theoretical computer science, it would be far more helpful for everybody else to have books starting with the beginner stuff.

    4. Re:Certification by raculot · · Score: 1

      I agree as well. I bought an older edition of that four or five years ago, and it has lots of interesting information about all kinds of subjects.

    5. Re:Certification by Foldarn · · Score: 1

      I also agree about this one. Certification books are incredibly useful.

    6. Re:Certification by Scaba · · Score: 1

      Certifications, however, are not.

    7. Re:Certification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why not have Hans Reiser teach his fellow inmates how to write file systems.

    8. Re:Certification by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      I was hoping someone would do this. Certification is something that is useful and rehabilitating. A+ is an awesome suggestion. There is not much chance for a prisoner to become a certified Honda mechanic inside, but they can become A+ certified. Fuck, the number of times I've had to fend off IT staff that didn't know that the connector on the end of a monitor cable is NOT a female 9-pin D-type is scary in the extreme. I'm certain that a prisoner who wants to learn can learn much more than some of the IT staff I've had to deal with that had certifications.

      Seriously, anything that certifies them to qualify for a reasonable job after paying their penance is very cool. There are a LOT of people locked up for crimes that really shouldn't be on the books. I don't think that training a hardened 14 time killer for usefulness in the outside world is 'worth while' but I do think that depriving that person of the room and ability to grow is wrong. Whatever their knowledge might be, they can do no harm if they are not allowed access to the NSA's computer system... right?

      Truth be told, learning is more cathartic and rehabilitating than any amount of time spent in jail... well, in most cases. Even someone who only suffers from poor self image can benefit from learning. Computers are complex, yet made from simple to plug together parts. Software can be free, hardware donated. Learning to make the most of that while you have all that time on your hands can be a huge thing for those wanting to learn. Go ask McCain if he would have benefited from some (even simple) learning program while prisoner during the war? I'm betting it would have made a huge difference. As it is, he can't even send email now!!

      Point is that there is much to learn from and about computing that has nothing to do with the outside world per se`, just as learning gardening/landscaping is probably not a truly hands-on experience for prisoners.

    9. Re:Certification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for a department of corrections and I would recommend something that explains the basic use of a word-processor or spreadsheets. Being able to use a word processor is a valuable skill and would help the offender in their search for work on release.

      The authorities may have some concerns about books about networking,hacking,security or RFID.

    10. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 0, Troll

      Due to the drug exception to the 4th amendment and my adventures in self medicating my social anxiety and Aspergers, I unfortunately had the opportunity to meet these people one month

      You know why you're self-medicating? Because you're also self-deluding.

      Stop pretending to have aspergers to get attention.

      You're not special, you're "special".

      Just because you never developed social skills doesn't mean you're disabled, it means you've never developed social skills. Sure, people with aspergers have social problems. But people with social problems don't all have aspergers. Get a clue, or go back to your hug box.

    11. Re:Certification by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Stop pretending to have aspergers to get attention.

      Way to judge someone you've never met. How the fuck do you claim to know the poster is pretending, having never met them?

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    12. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Way to judge someone you've never met. How the fuck do you claim to know the poster is pretending, having never met them?

      It might have to do with my post-doctoral research into autistic spectrum disorders. Maybe. Not everyone that reads slashdot works in IT.

      If the OP actually had any sort of autistic tendencies, they wouldn't have said half the idiotic things they said.

      An attention seeking, lazy, socially ackward but otherwise healthy man-child like him makes life difficult for people who are diagnosed with Aspergers( and Autism). You can't self-diagnose Aspergers any more than you can self diagnose a heart condition - you might be able to tell that something is wrong, but you can't just decide on the diagnosis, especially not with your community-college diploma in network security and A+ cert.

      Also, Assholes like you give them license to continue.

    13. Re:Certification by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Also, Assholes like you give them license to continue.

      Assholes like me? I'm not the one judging the mental conditions of people I've never met, buddy. You're the asshole here.

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      "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
    14. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, I have met them. They've posted on slashdot. I read their comment. Also, you're judging my mental condition at the same time I'm judging yours. Chances are, though, that I'm a lot more qualified to do so, than you.

      Idiots like the OP are making life difficult for people who have genuine difficulties. Like you. Except, you've probably been diagnosed as having a type of social disorder. Too bad that neither your mother, or your guidance teacher in high school are qualified to make that judgment.

      Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you're self-diagnosed as well. Either way, stop making life difficult for people who have genuine problems. Maybe you and the OP should start a support group. You can call it the "We never learned social skills because we were too busy playing Baldurs Gate, so we're going to pretend we have aspergers" group.

      Asshole.

    15. Re:Certification by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have met them. They've posted on slashdot. I read their comment.

      Yeah, if you think you can learn much that is meaningful about a person by reading their post on the internet, I have a bridge in Arizona to sell you.

      Also, you're judging my mental condition at the same time I'm judging yours.

      Actually, I'm judging whether you're an asshole (or, at the very least, an asshole while on /.), not your mental condition. You could be mentally sound for all I know, or bat-shit insane... you're still an asshole though.

      Idiots like the OP are making life difficult for people who have genuine difficulties. Like you. Except, you've probably been diagnosed as having a type of social disorder. Too bad that neither your mother, or your guidance teacher in high school are qualified to make that judgment.

      Heh, wow. Is that your idea of trying to get under my skin? Tell me I have social problems? Better still, insist that I'm trying to garner sympathy or some shit by claiming I have social problems, when I've never made such a claim? That's great, where do you come up with this shit?

      Asshole.

      I may have to take back what I said about you. You may still be the biggest prick I've ever seen on the internet, but you also might be one hell of an aspiring comedian. Or just a really bored troll. Hard to say at this point, so I guess that's points to you if you're trolling (which sounds more and more likely, the more I read your post). Grats!

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    16. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 2

      Heh, wow. Is that your idea of trying to get under my skin? Tell me I have social problems? Better still, insist that I'm trying to garner sympathy or some shit by claiming I have social problems, when I've never made such a claim? That's great, where do you come up with this shit?

      I come up with this shit because it is my area of study. At an institution of research and learning, which ALSO happens to be both University, and ALSO happens to NOT be a community college.

      Because you're defending someone someone who is pretending to have a real problem, and making those who truly have real problems look bad.

      You wouldn't be so defensive (and upset) if you didn't feel threatened in some way - either you're also pretending to have serious issues, or you're a human rights crusader who can't stand intolerance, but is woefully uninformed.

      So, either stop pretending to be filled with righteous anger, or stop pretending to be smart. And stop making the 'handi-capable' look bad. Yes, this post is now trolling. Just like every post that you have made so far. But my previous posts are not. They are merely saying that Aspergers is not something you can self-diagnose. It would be nice if all the self-diagnosed aspies had the choice to either get a real psychological assessment, or submit to chemical castration. Then they'd stop cutting themselves over the girls that won't talk to them, and claiming that they have an autistic spectrum disorder.

      Don't you agree that life is difficult for people who actually have problems because there are too many assholes pretending to have social anxiety disorders, aspergers and other disabilities?

    17. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      You don't have a social anxiety disorder or aspergers. None of your previous posts indicate that you're anything except a douche. And if you did have a social anxiety disorder, you'd know that there are specific names for specific disorders, and the 'general' term is PDD-NOS.

      Stop looking for sympathy, and get a life. Asshole. Douche.

      Honestly, I don't think there are words enough to describe how much of an asshole you are.

    18. Re:Certification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please remember that we need assholes to get rid of shit. If you think a persons behavior is more akin to an inconvenient, artificial way of getting rid of shit, it's better to compare them to an enema. Alternatively, 'redundant asshole' or 'redundant enema' are effective explicatives; the former allowing for a smooth transition into a regime of more meaningful insults.

    19. Re:Certification by fafalone · · Score: 1

      It might have to do with my post-doctoral research into autistic spectrum disorders. Maybe. Not everyone that reads slashdot works in IT.

      Or maybe not. You go on to bash self-diagnosis (which you are incorrect on) but you can make a confirmed diagnosis based on... what exactly? The fact I said I got arrested for drugs? Yeah, nobody with any part of the autism spectrum ever gets arrested. Or maybe the fact I used them at all? Last I checked, drugs that increase dopamine were part of the approved treatment. Certainly not the widely recognized diagnostic guidelines for this disorder.

      If the OP actually had any sort of autistic tendencies, they wouldn't have said half the idiotic things they said.

      Maybe that's because I have a regimen that controls the symptoms. Or maybe because posting on the internet is not nearly as hard as talking to real people. And ability to observe the people around me talking about computers and inferring their level of ability is not something that people something on the very mild side of the autism spectrum can't do.

      You can't self-diagnose Aspergers any more than you can self diagnose a heart condition - you might be able to tell that something is wrong, but you can't just decide on the diagnosis,

      I absolutely agree. Now, show me the part where I claim to have diagnosed it myself. Also, show me where enough items in the DSM-IV-TR criteria for Asperger's Disorder are precluded by my previous post, because it sure as hell sounds like you've never read them and seem to think I'm talking about having a condition on the other end of the autism spectrum. Or is your definition of what constitutes Aspergers totally different from the DSM and what the psychiatrist I saw thought it was? Maybe you could correct the ignorance of the current authorities. Let me know what you get published.

      especially not with your community-college diploma in network security and A+ cert.

      Wrong once more. I have a BS degree from University of Miami (in psychobiology); and no diploma in network security or an A+ certification.

      What kind of institute of higher learning gives an ignorant prick like you a doctorate anyway?

    20. Re:Certification by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Here, prove my psychiatrist wrong.

      First, prove that I can't possibly have 3 of these items (diagnosis requires 2)

      (1) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction
      (2) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
      (3) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
      (4) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

      Now, you have to show that I can't have ANY of these:

      (1) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
      (2) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
      (3) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
      (4) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

      You've already admitted people with Aspergers can have social problems, so we can skip this one:

      C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

      Maybe you can now judge my childhood based on my /. posts too:

      D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

      E. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

      Now part F requires no other PDD. If you want to argue for PDD-NOS, which I'm sure you will after realizing you weren't as correct about your ability to dismiss all of the above as you think you were, leading to you searching for any out to protect your massive ego, well I'll do a point-by-point rebuttal of that too.

    21. Re:Certification by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      or you're a human rights crusader who can't stand intolerance, but is woefully uninformed.

      Now there's the first sensible thing you've said in the whole damn thread. My, what is the world coming to? You're right, I can't stand intolerance, but this is more than that... I can't stand idiots who think they can tell whether someone is faking a mental illness over the internet. If you had met this person in real life, and then told me this, I'd be prepared to give your words some weight. As it is, though, you're just full of hot air, because you just can't tell much about people in real life based on their internet posts. Or are you going to tell me that you haven't ever noticed how differently people can behave when they're not confronting you in person?

      So, either stop pretending to be filled with righteous anger...

      Well, "righteous anger" isn't the right word, considering I am, and have been calm about this. But to whatever extent your behavior irritates me, I assure you, it is not a pretense.

      Yes, this post is now trolling. Just like every post that you have made so far. But my previous posts are not. They are merely saying that Aspergers is not something you can self-diagnose.

      I have not been trolling. But that's beside the point. You have said far more than what you claim to have said. If you'd left it at that, I would be in complete agreement with you. You have said that Aspergers is not something you can self-diagnose, and that the OP is deliberately faking having it (implying he's trying to garner sympathy), and that I have serious issues of my own, and/or am faking some. See, you've said so much bullshit, your legitimate statement that you can't self-diagnose mental problems goes unnoticed.

      Don't you agree that life is difficult for people who actually have problems because there are too many assholes pretending to have social anxiety disorders, aspergers and other disabilities?

      I do agree. However, you are equating "someone who has not been diagnosed by a mental health professional" with "a pretender", completely ignoring the possibility that they could really think they have some problem, but refuse to recognize the invalidity of self-diagnosis. That's not pretending in the least. It's still incorrect, but it isn't pretending, because these hypothetical people honestly believe that there's something wrong with them.

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    22. Re:Certification by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Not just that, but what if the OP did get his diagnosis from a professional, then researched his malady and then went with the selfmedication strategy?
      You're right though, PC/Sony Fanboy is an asshole.

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    23. Re:Certification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      coz he's a fuckwit.

    24. Re:Certification by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      See, there's another case I didn't even cover. There are all sorts of explanations, how PC/Sony Fanboy could think he magically has the correct one is beyond me.

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    25. Re:Certification by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      You didn't read the OP..

      Due to the drug exception to the 4th amendment and my adventures in self medicating my social anxiety and Aspergers, I unfortunately had the opportunity to meet these people one month./blockquote>

      His ploy of getting legal drugs to feed his habit didn't work so he did jail time.

    26. Re:Certification by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      What he did may be illegal, but it doesn't discount the possibility that he got a professional diagnosis.

      Offtopic question: LingNoi, as in little Ling?

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    27. Re:Certification by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      If he got a professional diagnosis he wouldn't be self medicating.

      Offtopic: yes @-_-@

    28. Re:Certification by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      with current medical costs, it could have been the only way to go.

      offtopic, yay I know a bit of thai :D

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    29. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      What if I told you that I have aspergers. And mine is clinically diagnosed? Thanks for ruining my life, asshole.

    30. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's because I have a regimen that controls the symptoms.

      If that is true, why are you acting so ... stupid? You are so self-deluded that you can't even look at yourself rationally. Next time do some research before pretending to have a problem. Maybe you'll be more convincing. And if you're more convincing, you won't get pissed off so easily when someone calls your bluff.

    31. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      I'll do a point-by-point rebuttal of that too.

      I suppose I could tell you why you're wrong, but you'll copy your response from murray & lesser again. Too bad those words are so big that you couldn't describe them without copy/paste. Also, I thought you were arguing from the DSM 4. I suppose those words were too big for you as well.

      Anyways, I guess you're right. You clearly show delay in cognitive development. You most likely have a social anxiety disorder. The quality of your posts and rebuttals indicate that your problem isn't aspergers, but you clearly do have some sort of problem, and the fact you self-medicate makes that even more evident.

      Which means that you should be happy now, you've managed to convince everyone that you're a retard. Congrats. Even if you did have aspergers, you're giving everyone else who suffers from it a bad reputation.

      Which means that you're still an asshole. Only now you're a certified, proven, retarded asshole.

    32. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      There are all sorts of explanations, how PC/Sony Fanboy could think he magically has the correct one is beyond me.

      Yes, many possibilities here. So explain your magical method that allowed you to deduce that the OP was correct in HIS assessment. Oh look, it is a pissing contest. Only difference between you and me is that *I* know it is a pissing contest, and you're too stupid to realize it.

    33. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      with current medical costs, it could have been the only way to go.

      Ah yes, because we're all american, and we all get screwed daily by our wonderful government. I don't understand how americans can be so proud of their country, when they're being done up the ass.

      My only explanation? You're all on drugs.

    34. Re:Certification by fafalone · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, did you want me to dumb down the diagnostic list for you? It's from a site called behavenet and with a resource like that re-writing the material is pointless. You don't cite anything so why should I?
      I guess we have different definitions of retarded. I've responded in a civil manner with a point-by-point counterargument based on accepted DSM-IV material, you post nothing but ad-hominem attacks with zero support for your claims. Given that all you've done is cry like a little kid with an argument consisting of "you're a stupid idiot because I'm a such a genius that I don't even need facts to prove you wrong, all I have to do is say you're a stupid asshole and therefore everybody sees you're wrong and I'm right." That's all your argument consists of. You're clearly a troll, clearly don't have a doctorate (maybe a diploma your mommy drew and put a gold star on for her special boy who's smart "in other ways than those mean kids"), and clearly don't know anything about this subject, so I'm now done feeding your childish tantrum. If you've got an argument with more support than "because you're stupid", let me know.

      For your own sake, I'd investigate Antisocial Personality Disorder, just type that into Google to start looking for help, don't worry, you do at least seem smart enough to find the number of a nice person to help you.

    35. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Right. You've answered my attacks with the same attacks that I used. That makes you so mature. My point was that YOU are not acting mature. You claim to have a PDD and make all the other aspies look bad. I do not. Therefore, you continue to reinforce my argument that you're a stupid idiot that makes other stupid idiots look bad. Perhaps you didn't notice it (because you're stupid?), but every post I made is actually making fun of you.

      Every post implies that a) I'm someone I am not, and b) you should listen to me because I have an authoritative source which makes me more qualified to comment on such things. Those two things are the same two things you present in your argument. Clearly we're both NOT the people we claim to be.

      The only difference is that you're doing it to seek attention, and I'm doing it to get assholes like you to STOP doing it.

      Your counter-argument is "Stop making fun of me, you're an asshole too!". Which was pretty clear from the outset.

      So, if I'm wrong and you do have a diagnosed PDD, you're making all the other people who are able to self-regulate look really, really bad. Which was my point. By now, we've established that you're not an aspie. We've also established that your social skills are lacking because you can't be bothered to practice. So, STOP acting like an idiot, you're giving them a bad name.

    36. Re:Certification by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      It's easy to assume the guy is american since this is an american centric site mostly.
      Me on the other hand, I'm dutch :P

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    37. Re:Certification by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      So explain your magical method that allowed you to deduce that the OP was correct in HIS assessment.

      I never said he was. All I've ever said WRT the OP is that we can't tell what his deal is. For all I know, he could be crazy as a loon, or he could be perfectly sound of mind. It doesn't particularly matter to me, so I don't bother myself with the fact I don't know.

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    38. Re:Certification by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      So, what you're saying is

      It is clearly exactly what he says it is, or probably something like it, so cut him some slack.

      and what I'm saying is

      It is much, much more likely that it isn't something nearly as complicated as he claims that it is, so stfu

      Which really ends up leaving me with a greater possibility of being correct, considering the vast number of things it might actually be- I'm eliminating one possibility, you're reaffirming that one possibility. So you've actually eliminated all other possibilities...

      Which really leaves you arguing a weaker case, which you've now abandoned, since you claim it doesn't matter to you either. And since the issue matters to me, and I'm likely right, doesn't that make you the douche? Combative, arrogant, stuck up and uninformed, as well as supporting a losing argument for the sake of supporting someone else's ability to act like a 'tard?

      So, get a life and stop pissing on people's ideas because you're bored. You're almost as bad as he is, you're both attention whores looking for sympathy.

    39. Re:Certification by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1
      Holy fuck, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

      It is clearly exactly what he says it is, or probably something like it, so cut him some slack.

      I have said no such thing. I have said "We have no idea what his deal is, we aren't in a position to know what his deal is, so while you shouldn't necessarily accept what he says at face value, don't jump down his fucking throat."

      So, get a life and stop pissing on people's ideas because you're bored. You're almost as bad as he is, you're both attention whores looking for sympathy.

      Hardly. I'm someone who, futile as it may be, tries to get people to treat each other with some fucking respect (which is a rare and precious trait irl, much less on the internet). This is not about me being bored or attention whoring (I have far more effective ways to combat boredom or get attention), it's about me standing up for what I believe to be right. You started out by jumping down the OP's throat, even though you have no reasonable way of knowing his claim is false. That's what I take issue with, and always have... the fact that you think I'm trying to say the OP necessarily has something wrong going on, or anything about his mental state for that matter, speaks extremely poorly of your ability to understand what the fuck people say.

      Regardless, we're done here. If you still are incapable of understanding my point, after all this, nothing anyone ever says will get through to you. Enjoy berating people even in the absence of meaningful evidence that they deserve it, I guess.

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    40. Re:Certification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, I understood exactly what you said. However, You probably didn't say what you meant to say. If you just can't express yourself clearly, don't get so upset when people misunderstand.

      have said "We have no idea what his deal is, we aren't in a position to know what his deal is, so while you shouldn't necessarily accept what he says at face value, don't jump down his fucking throat."

      Exactly. You said "We don't know, so you have no justification. You have no justification because it is likely that he is right".

      Your argument might have worked in another case. Too bad that 'one size doesn't fit all'. Maybe you should have attended english class more than once or twice, and learned how to properly phrase an argument and rebuttal. Then again, your attitude of close minded acceptance is typically american, and we all know effective the american education system is ... look at the OP... or sarah palin ... both idiots. both clueless. both causing problems for people because of their loud mouth. I guess I could include you in the list. - PC & Sony Fanboy

  5. Something timeless by mongoose(!no) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about a book that won't become obsolete like repair books would be. Perhaps a book on algorithms or the fundamentals of electronics.

    1. Re:Something timeless by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Some concepts never or rarely get outdated. Such as Electro static precautions, what the motherboard is. What a bus is... etc, etc. Also you never know when your going to run across an MCA card!

      In all seriousness though, I happened to pick up an older edition of this book at the book store for like 7 bucks. It was current to the Pentium Pro, which was pretty good at the time. But regardless it had information there that was timeless and I'm really glad I had a chance to read and learn from it. So I wouldn't say repair books are a bad idea.

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    2. Re:Something timeless by bigbigbison · · Score: 1

      I agree. A book on programming the latest version of java or something will get out dated. It would be better to have other types of books.

      I particularly think things on the history of tech companies would be good or some things about game design or things not specifically related to programming or a version of an operating system.

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    3. Re:Something timeless by plover · · Score: 1

      Assuming there may be some people motivated to become developers, "Design Patters" would fit the timeless bill better than most. So would books on analysis and design, like Booch's "Object Oriented Analysis and Design with Applications".

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    4. Re:Something timeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a book that won't become obsolete like repair books would be.

      What are you talking about?
      Unless you're in a full shop, the most technical bit of repair work will be replacing an obviously capacitor.

      Computer hardware "repair" has been pretty much the same thing for the last 15 years.
      Reseat connections or replace glitchy hardware/cables.

    5. Re:Something timeless by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree. A book on programming the latest version of java or something will get out dated. It would be better to have other types of books.

      Too true. A few months ago I was given a 10-year-old C++ programming book. I thought I needed some files from the missing CD because the examples wouldn't compile. $100 later (bought C++ Primer Plus), I find out that the syntax has changed in the past decade, and #include <iostream.h> is no longer valid.

    6. Re:Something timeless by avanderveen · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.

      As far as learning programming goes, learning semantics is the most important thing. Once a person knows how to program they can quickly adapt to varying syntax's and styles. Why do you think it's so easy to move from Java to C++ or from C++ to PHP? The syntax changes a whole lot more than deprecating #includes, yet it's very easy to adapt. In fact, many upper-year programming courses are taught in a way that isn't designed for a specific language for that reason.

      A book that would teach the prisoners how to program in general would be very beneficial, but then they would need an accompanying book to apply that knowledge with a language. So, you could either get them a book on programming in general and a book on a language, or you could just get something like an intro to Java book that would include all of the semantics and basics for programming as well as a good introduction to a language that is commonly used by first time programmers.

    7. Re:Something timeless by Ruke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Learning how to program, from a book, without access to a computer, will be near impossible for most people. If they're looking to build useful skills, a beginner's book for A+ certification would be an excellent place to start.

    8. Re:Something timeless by curunir · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a book on algorithms or the fundamentals of electronics.

      I would go even more fundamental than that. There is nothing that's applicable to computers that is as timeless as math. Books on statistics, algebra, geometry, trigonometry, calculus and boolean algebra and subjects like that will never become outdated and will make any book on specific computer technologies easier to understand. And the knowledge is applicable outside of the computer industry as well.

      Statistics could even be applicable prior to leaving prison. Part of the plot of the show "The Wire" involves one of the teachers making math more accessible to inter-city kids by teaching them the odds in the dice games that are prevalent in "thug" culture, which is no doubt part of prison culture as well. In short, Math concepts don't change, they just progress. And they're widely applicable to many higher-paying positions that inmates could pursue once released.

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    9. Re:Something timeless by richie2000 · · Score: 1

      Oh God, I have that book. Does that make me a hardened nerd with no chance for parole?

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    10. Re:Something timeless by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Logic is more integral to programming then raw mathematics. Most of the scut-work in programming is "dull" and not really algorithmic.

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    11. Re:Something timeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. I did learn programming from the Borland Pascal books armed only with pen and paper. I guess it depends on how good the books are...

    12. Re:Something timeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They used to program on pen and paper and then code the lines on punch cards and then pass the cards to the priests of the machine and then wait a day or two to get the results.

      The software systems they designed were small and efficient. It's hard to write code on paper that works.

      Some programming language designers even created languages they used for years prior to having access to hardware to create an implementation (APL for one).

      Saying that one cannot program without a computer is a modern idea and one that we might want to start forgetting.

      It would probably make us all better programmers.

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    13. Re:Something timeless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While it may seem difficult, it is not impossible
      I learned GWbasic in a computer shop near my house where they had an old 8088. But I couldnt learn C or C++ because they didnt have a machine that could run it (they did have good machines, but they were used for publishing and typesetting). My parents couldnt buy me a computer (I am from India, and a computer costs a lot). I learnt most of C by reading a book and writing paper programs.I continued to program in basic on a real computer whenever I could and also talk to real programmers whenever I got a chance.
      When years later I did get access to computer at college, I was surprised to find that I could program in C pretty well.
      I agree that having programmed in some language is a prerequisite, but once that is done, you can learn other languages from a book.

    14. Re:Something timeless by Cream+of+Tomato+Soup · · Score: 1

      I learned C++ from a couple books without writing a single line of code using a computer. I did the exercises at the end of the chapters using pen and paper, then comparing them to the solutions offered in the back of book. The hard part wasn't not using a computer, but the books themselves. Most programming books are terrible. They're incomplete, full of errata even after numerous revisions, have poor or unnecessarily complicated code examples, and most importantly the authors didn't seem to put much thought and effort into how they should explain the material.

      BTW, I did have a computer at the time, I just couldn't think well while using it because it was next to my family's TV. Hard to focus on writing code while your TV addicted family blasts such quality shows as Deal or no Deal, Spongebob Squarepants (pothead brother), and The Biggest Loser.

    15. Re:Something timeless by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      And after they've finished, they still can't fix a computer. You wouldn't give someone asking to learn to fix cars a book on statistical mechanics; a book on electronics wouldn't teach them what they need to know.

    16. Re:Something timeless by mrwolf007 · · Score: 1

      Some concepts never or rarely get outdated. Such as Electro static precautions, what the motherboard is. What a bus is... etc, etc.

      Double that. Add the fact that you diagnose pretty much every hardware error with that knowledge and an old PCI-gfx card, a DDR1 and DDR2 dimm, an ATX power supply, a Knoppix CD/DVD and an usb hard drive. Thats usefull knowledge, as in every day life repairs. Thats enough to help about 90% of the people you might might meet on the street who have problems with a PC.

    17. Re:Something timeless by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Correct.

      Now report to the authorities to have your Geek Card info branded on your forehead, and your left breast will be surgically altered into a pocket protector.

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  6. Obviously... by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...nothing about tunneling protocols!

    ~Philly

    1. Re:Obviously... by EvilNTUser · · Score: 3, Funny

      I recently read this excellent book called "The Art of Deception" by some guy called Mitnick. You might want to try it out.

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    2. Re:Obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... or anything on jailbreaking iPhones ;)

    3. Re:Obviously... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, the FreeBSD Handbook may fit quite nicely there. After all, if you're in prison, you are going to get some first-hand experience with jail administration...

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    4. Re:Obviously... by magarity · · Score: 1

      Does that include "The Count of Monte Cristo"?
      (Only prisoners have time to actually read the entire thing without skipping a few entire chapters.)

    5. Re:Obviously... by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Art books are great. I can also recommend "The Art Of Computer Programming", which is one of those books that needs very few computer room resources yet still has great practical applications.

    6. Re:Obviously... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Does that include "The Count of Monte Cristo"?

      Well, making all the prisoners read a book about how someone who's imprisoned on false charges gets revenge might help weed out and discourage the corruption in the police...

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    7. Re:Obviously... by Eadwacer · · Score: 1

      ...or file handling

    8. Re:Obviously... by proverbialcow · · Score: 1

      Neither would 'How to Jailbreak Your iPhone" be appropriate...

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    9. Re:Obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ruby Behind Bars? (RBB)

  7. The C Programming Language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A classic computer science text that everyone should read.

  8. Linux File Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know of at least one prison who will appreciate such a book.

    1. Re:Linux File Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post needs +6 Hilarious!!

    2. Re:Linux File Systems by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      You are so mean! Leave Hans alone!!! He has had a hard time since his wife died!! You always wanted more FS from him, always more! Leave Hans alone!!! Please!! *cry*

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    3. Re:Linux File Systems by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I know of at least one prison who will appreciate such a book.

      I dunno if "appreciate it" is the correct word... that person could write the book though, perhaps safe some $$$ in terms of having to buy the books; get the writing for free from an inmate....

    4. Re:Linux File Systems by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      They should put this unnamed prisoner in a cell with OJ.

      LK

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    5. Re:Linux File Systems by scubamage · · Score: 1

      oooh, wicked burn. :)

  9. Oh I know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This book

    especially the part about hacking the DOJ.

  10. Punishment or rehabilitation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It depends on if you think prisoners are in prison to be punished or rehabilitated.

    I think it's the former, so I recommend Miranda: The Craft Of Functional Programming by S. Thompson, which I encountered in my undergraduate course.

    Heh, you can't do the time...

    1. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by jd · · Score: 1

      What about something on the complete ADA specification?

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    2. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by turgid · · Score: 1

      You may jest, but some of my colleagues were Ada programmers and have a lot of praise for that language, and Modula-2.

      If you wanted to inflict cruel and unusual punishment, I recommend FORTRAN-77, compiled on a VAX with source edited in emacs on a VT320 terminal.

    3. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've used Ada a fair bit, but the biggest joke in that particular line when I used the language tended to be that none of the compilers complied with all aspects of the specification because it was just too complex. Ada is powerful and I do like many aspects of Ada (including the fact that many common programming errors are impossible in the language) but it is... clunky in some respects and the runtime components tend to be heavy. Modula-2 I don't like at all - it has a tighter structure than Pascal but I've not seen any way in which it does so that is actually useful.

      When it comes to programming languages, I am not satisfied with any of the languages currently out there and feel they tend to either be over-engineered or over-reliant on evolution to fix a lack of engineering. There are some that seem to have a better balance, but they tend to be obscure and therefore insufficiently exercised to be sure that this appearance reflects reality. If they were better, it would seem they'd be used more.

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    4. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Sure.. don't forget to throw in SICP, also.

    5. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      One word: INTERCAL.

    6. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      I've used Ada a fair bit, but the biggest joke in that particular line when I used the language tended to be that none of the compilers complied with all aspects of the specification because it was just too complex.

      Ada is hardly unique in this respect. Try finding a 100% compliant C99 or C++ compiler. Heck, most likely the only languages with 100% compliant implementations are the ones who don't have a spec and are defined by their implementations, such as Perl.

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    7. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a third option, to keep them away from other people who they might harm or offend. Given that the original question was about american prisons I would say it is this because I don't believe in punishment and nothing I have heard about American prisons suggest rehabilitation. So based on that I would reccomend a book on MMORP strategies, esp for addictive ones. That way if they ever get out they will put themself under permanent house arrest at no cost to the state.

    8. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by lordholm · · Score: 1

      I just left a job where I was writing Ada on full time. And I am entirely convinced that it is virtually impossible to get a good Ada compiler working. We were using a special version of GNAT that had been certified with the ESA.

      During my work on the project I was involved in, I managed to isolate around 10 bugs in the compiler, of which two where resulting in that incorrect code was being generated when compiling.

      There are two reasons for this: Ada is overly complex as a language, and I don't know a single person who know the entire language by heart.

      Note that C++ is also to complicated, but that binds in to the second reason: Ada does not have a critical mass to ensure that as much work goes into say GNAT or one of its derivates as goes into C++ compilers.

      C is a very simple language, especially from a runtime point of view.

      Of all the system programming languages that I have played around with, the only one that I have been able to find that is actually reasonably safe, but also giving you productivity is D. I hope that D will catch on, because it is actually quite a nice language and it has a simple syntax, relatively simple runtime (as far as an OO language can have), and it allows you to go down and mess with the bare metal as you can in C.

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    9. Re:Punishment or rehabilitation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah...real certified hell would be making them read something like the 6,000 pages of the Microsoft OOXML ISO spec, or something similiar along those lines...;-) Then telling them they could get a job working for the Satan in Richmond, if they memorized it.

  11. Computer books... by aztektum · · Score: 1

    With a metal file in them??

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  12. Biography of Mitnik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or other criminals good with computers.

  13. How to books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some "how to" books like the following:
    1) How to extort money from people who's computer you repaired and how to find all their dirty secrets on their drives

    2) Planting bots for money

    3) Installing keyloggers for fun and profit.

  14. How about the Crayola books? by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

    You know...

    - International Unix Environments
    - Computer security criteria, DOD standards
    - The Pink Shirt Book, Guide to IBM PCs
    - The Devil book a.k.a. The Unix Bible
    - The Dragon book, a.k.a. Compiler design
    - The Red Book a.k.a. NSA Trusted Networks

    /sarcasm

  15. A question by shish · · Score: 1

    Do they have computers to try out what they're learning as they do so? If not, then learning practical things will be very hard; maths / logic / other general purpose theory might be more use (though without the ability to implement, "more use" might not be very much either...)

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    1. Re:A question by jd · · Score: 1

      I dunno - books describing how to analyze problems, produce flow charts, abstract data types and abstract state machines, common patterns, useful algorithms, jackson structured programming, and the like, could be applied to many situations and give a good grounding that could be used to then take a computer course or any other course that is based on the organization of processes. They are also techniques that require not a whole lot more than a pencil and paper to practice.

      The same would be true of books covering cellular automata, truth tables, boolean algebra or even petri nets. Now, the middle two might be more interesting to those who later want to go into EE rather than CS, but they're still worth knowing.

      Books describing when and how to use algorithms, herustics and fuzzy logic would be fairly basic to read, require nothing to really practice, and would again be good background material for many courses.

      What would be useless would be things that are implementation-specific or which require extensive hands-on experience. So, books on programming in C++ or developing device drivers for Linux 2.6 would probably not be worth a whole lot.

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  16. Definately certification books by WiglyWorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Send them A+ certification books if they request something on computer repair. Maybe network+ as well. I would recomend All-in-One CompTIA A+ Certification Exam Guide, 6th Ed., by Michael Meyers I got my A+ cert using the 5th edition, and it was very well written (never too dry, and highly educational). I wouldn't go much beyond A+ or Net+, because A+ and net+ would be usefull books even if you had no computer to practice with. You could learn by rote and apply a lot of it when you had a computer later. Further exams such as MCSE would require, IMO, hands on while you are reading, as the concepts become more abstract.

  17. Can we assume... by shish · · Score: 5, Funny

    that they're already proficient in filesystem design? :P

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    1. Re:Can we assume... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop, you're killing me!

    2. Re:Can we assume... by Lazyrust · · Score: 0

      Those are called Shanks.

    3. Re:Can we assume... by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      That's some funny stuff right there.

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    4. Re:Can we assume... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      No, only that they're incompoetent in losing really important objects and concealing that it was their fault.

  18. books on remote door systems and hacking as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    books on remote door systems and hacking as well as books on build macgyver like stuff.

  19. Since Ted Stevens may very well end up there soon by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suggest books on how the internet actually works. Maybe while he is behind a series of bars he can see the folly in his series of tubes comment.

  20. Ummmm.... by FooGoo · · Score: 1
    good luck passing the background check when they get out.

    I'd send them some books about the individuals and companies that make-up the industry. Also, you might consider books about starting businesses in the IT field.

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    1. Re:Ummmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good luck passing the background check when they get out.

      Isn't the point of rehabilitation to allow released criminals, who hopefully if the system works, has decided to be a law abiding citizen? You mean BestBuy and their GeekSquad would not hire someone with a criminal record? I think once you serve your sentence and successfully complete the term of parole the criminal record should be either expunged or at the very least only accessible to law enforcement for investigative purposes but not private sector employment background checks.

  21. Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Official Ubuntu Book by Hill, et al.
    http://www.informit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0137136684

    Many inmates will be treating the program as a sort-of library where they can browse topics of interest, hence they need some good generalist books to act as the introduction & foundation from which they can make specific subject requests later.

    The Ubuntu Book is good because it covers the broad range of what personal computers are used for, and how to do it for the beginner. And of course it also points out that FOSS exists, and what it is.

    There are probably other good generalist books, but as a geek I'm having a hard time thinking of any because I don't use them. Who can name some more?

  22. An Excellent Introduction - Patterson and Hennessy by turgid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's fairly up-to-date:Patterson and Hennessy Computer Organization and Design.

    It starts of really simply explaining the absolute basics, gradually going into technical details. Plenty of historical context, examples, lucid diagrams and a companion CD.

    Also cures insomnia.

  23. A Pictoral History of Internet Porn.... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

    ...would probably be well received.

  24. How about... by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Funny

    something on jailbreaking iphones? Or maybe FreeBSD jails?

  25. No books on CD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guards worry that you might hide a file it

  26. books are for reading? by jecowa · · Score: 1

    At church this one lady was collecting books for prisoners, and she mentioned how quickly the books wear out at prison and that they always need more. So, I imagined that the prisoners must be throwing the books at each other, or writing notes on them, or hollowing them out to hide contraband. I imagine the prisoners want computer books because they tend to be pretty thick books. Am I completely wrong? What percentage of patrons at prison libraries actually read the books there?

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    1. Re:books are for reading? by Mad_Rain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've worked at a prison for a couple of years now, and have tried to help encourage the inmates to read - it keeps them from being "bored" and getting into trouble, provides them with some knowledge, and gives them something more to talk about with other people than "thug life". The books wear out quickly for two reasons: 1) they're used, donated books to begin with. 2) they're read and shared A LOT. Especially when there is very little else to do.

      They do get thrown about from time to time (by officers searching their cells, or as emergency "body armor" if things are about to jump off), but generally books are respected as they can be. Sure, some hide contraband in them (usually ineffective, at least in the cell searches I've seen - the officers have seen the same bad movies about prison you have). People are most likely asking for computer books because they're legitimately interested in the subject area. If they're looking for generic, thick books, they could easily have access to a Bible or other classic book of literature. (I suddenly have the image of an inmate saying, "Sure, I'll read 'War and Peace' it's not like I don't have the time anymore." :) )

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    2. Re:books are for reading? by jecowa · · Score: 2

      Thank you for sharing your experiences. I feel better about donating books to prisoners now.

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    3. Re:books are for reading? by ElectricRook · · Score: 1

      Do we really repair computers anymore? It's not like in the bad ol' days when computers cost $5k, and the components were unreliable. Today, we pull out the daughter cards, maybe wipe off the connectors, re-install, smoke-check. When the industry started, we had a magazine called "boot", because getting the first PC's to boot was a major obstacle. Now it's all plug and play. Look at the instruction manual that comes with a mother-board, just a few pictures of how to plug-in the USB wires. Look at what comes with a new MS OS... A big card.

      I suggest "the internet book mobile" approach. Get a laser printer, and print free books, stitch them up, you have a low-cost new book, after the first $1k for equipment, the new books will cost less than the transportation of used books.

      About programming, I'm sure a lot of cons get data entry jobs, there may be some that get promoted to "operator". High tech companies won't hire a felon. Not when they can hire a immigrant programmer with a few masters degrees, and not worry about "issues with cons". The leopard being what it is...

      Yes, I know there's an issue with finding employment for cons, I don't know the answer, especially if they come out as an older adult without a career of work experience.

      As far as I can tell, after school, most of us geeks don't buy new low-level computer books. We only buy books if we're learning a new language, we get our knowledge from the net.

      You might try taking this question to Stack Over Flow dot com, as there's getting to be way too much noise on /.

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    4. Re:books are for reading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shawshank Redemption is NOT a bad movie.

    5. Re:books are for reading? by Dolohov · · Score: 1

      Do we really repair computers anymore?

      Do we? Maybe not. But the folks who are learning computer repair in prison are probably going to poor areas when they get out, where someone who can repair a tossed-out machine and make it usable could make a tidy sum.

    6. Re:books are for reading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "Bible" ?. Jesus Christ, that's probably why they are in there. Have any of you people read the Old Testament ?. Stonings, killings, rape, property destruction....

      For lifers obviously, Knuths Art of Computer Programming. It would take a lifetime to understand. It also would act as very good body armor.

      For the 10-15 years, Understand the Linux Kernel.

      For the 0-10 years, any book to help pass the LPI exams.

      Imagine the revolution to the Linux-on-the-desktop revolution given how many people are in the US prisons (the world's largest prison population).

    7. Re:books are for reading? by jeremiahbell · · Score: 1

      If they're looking for generic, thick books, they could easily have access to a Bible or other classic book of literature. (I suddenly have the image of an inmate saying, "Sure, I'll read 'War and Peace' it's not like I don't have the time anymore." :) )

      I actually read "War and Peace" while I was in. I also read the "Official Soviet Air History of World War II" so I definitely had the time.

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    8. Re:books are for reading? by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      So is War & Peace any good?

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    9. Re:books are for reading? by jeremiahbell · · Score: 1

      "War and Peace" is one of the best books ever written. And definitely read the prologue's. The books takes a long time to read, but for me it was a life transforming experience. There is definitely a reason it stands as a classic. In case you are wondering, the Soviet Air History of World War II sucked, terrible, slow, and mind dulling.

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  27. Clifford Stoll's by bluestar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Cuckoo's Egg?

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    1. Re:Clifford Stoll's by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the best recommendation I could think of, and you beat me to it.

      Educational novels may be in some respects a better fit than actual technical references and how-to books, since prisoners can't really try out anything they learn. (My own experience contradicts this, though, as I read about half of a phonebook-sized tome on C++ programming before I ever compiled "hello world", thanks to the book shipping with a broken compiler.) I don't know of many novels that are as informative as Cuckoo's Egg, though. Maybe Cryptonomicon.

    2. Re:Clifford Stoll's by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny
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    3. Re:Clifford Stoll's by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Clifford Stoll's by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      whoosh?

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    5. Re:Clifford Stoll's by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Must be, since I don't see much insight in comparing a book about the sad lives of a bunch of mental patients with a regular prison.

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    6. Re:Clifford Stoll's by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Let me assure you that "regular" prison is no happier.

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    7. Re:Clifford Stoll's by MrZaius · · Score: 1

      Nowhere near as educational, but you bring up another good point. The work of Cory Doctorow would introduce a number of technical concepts, and without requiring the reader to grok quite as much on the first pass as the Cryptonomicon - and would do it on the cheap. If you've got the capability to print his CC-licensed novels for gratis distribution to the prisoners it might very well be cheaper than some of the above.

    8. Re:Clifford Stoll's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Doctorow generally has a poor grasp of the technology that is the subject of his writing and corresponding near-zealous advocacy.

      Doctorow is a science fiction writer. Reading his works for insight into computing technology is likely to be as beneficial as looking to X-Men for cues on academic developments in biology. So, you know. Not so much.

    9. Re:Clifford Stoll's by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 1

      Except that Doctorow generally has a poor grasp of the technology that is the subject of his writing..

      I don't find this to be the case at all. He doesn't go into sufficient detail, perhaps, to be particularly educational (because, let's face it, these are novels not technical references, and he tends to focus on the social impact of technology more than the specific implementation details), but I haven't come across any indication in any of his books that I have read that he just doesn't understand technology.

      I would consider Doctorow to be one of the good science fiction writers who aren't just inventing whatever technology is going to drive the plot but are looking at present technology and extrapolating. (Other authors I include in this category: Verner Vinge, Arthur C. Clarke.)

  28. Application Books by spribyl · · Score: 1

    How about something that they can use?

    Linux for Dummies
    OpenOffice for dummies

    Baring that
    Windows for Dummies
    Office For Dummies

  29. Get out of Jail for Dummies by Terrorwrist · · Score: 1

    If it exists, then give them a book called "Get Out of Jail for Dummies" lol.

  30. Useful IT Books for Prisoners are by alfoolio · · Score: 1

    manuals that cover concepts and algorithms. Programming references, language specific and generic, as well as analysis and design texts. Books with plenty of illustrations and diagrams as most prisoners will not have access to actual equipment they can open and tinker with. Having been there and done that I can say with great authority that there is very little job market in the USA for an ex-convict in the IT industry. This changes from generally true to absolutely true the higher in the organizational infrastructure you rise because of the fallout from 9-11 and the war on terror.

    1. Re:Useful IT Books for Prisoners are by menkhaura · · Score: 1

      Drifting a little away from the topic, I'd like to ask you a question. Here in Brazil, where we use a Roman-like law system, after someone has served his time, all his records are cleared, and he's considered a law-abbiding citizen; of course there is prejudice, if you say you spent time on jail, but that's not generally a problem. In the U.S.it seems to me that if someone had to spend some time in jail, he's screwed for the rest of his life, when trying to find a new job or keeping the one he had. My question to you is, is the prejudice against an ex-convict just that, or is his record kept "dirty" even after he has paid all his debts to society?

      Back on topic, I'd suggest something workable with pen and paper, like Knuth's works on computer programming; those are more theory than practice.

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    2. Re:Useful IT Books for Prisoners are by alfoolio · · Score: 1

      At the institutional level prejudices put in place (loss of voting privilege, employment restrictions, etc.) may be removed immediately upon release, after a period of supervision, after compensating fees have been paid, some combination of these, or perhaps never. It varies widely from state to state and also is dependent on the nature of the offense. At the societal level most people are not concerned about what a person may have done in their past, provided the offense was not too horrible or given a knowledge of the person as a human before learning of their criminal past. It has been my experience that a criminal record in the USA is one of the most socially devastating things that can occur in your life as a citizen her.

    3. Re:Useful IT Books for Prisoners are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything varies by state of course, but generally the record is indeed kept "dirty" as you describe it. I believe you carry your record with you for the rest of your life unless the state has specified otherwise (minors usually can have their records sealed, for instance). Not only that, you must tell all future employers if they ask about your criminal record.

      Furthermore, if you are guilty of certain crimes (sexual abuse, usually) you may be put on a publicly available list where anyone including your friends, neighbors and coworkers can easily search your name. Depending on your philosophy of criminal justice this is either just and fair, or insanely cruel.

  31. Security by solid_liq · · Score: 1

    How about something on Internet Security, which has a focus on Penetration Testing?

  32. General computers by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

    Probably be a good thing to pick general computer books, as probably some of them are looking for a more legal interest to keep them from returning.

    Something like the encyclopedia of computing (was a time-life set about a decade or two back) each volume covered a subject in reasonable detail (input/output, graphics, ai, robotics, software, hardware, transportation, etc.) Very good to get an idea of what forms of computing there is out there and to find your niche in the world of computers. Probably a good class text on general computing would suffice also.

    Programming language would be good, some introductory books as programming is in a large part a logic/problem solving exercise they could write code on paper and still get some skill out of it. C might be good though I think Java or Python would be easier to approach sans-computer as it is a lot more plain English syntax.

    For those hwo want something more technical Maybe a computer concept text like Knuth's Art of Programming or
    Principles of Interactive Computer Graphics (it is old but it is along the right lines I'm thinking of), etc. Linux Bible or some other exhausting tome of technical reading would be good too. While not having the hardware, they do help you get a grasp of the concept in the mean time.

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  33. Alice in Wonderland by quakehead3 · · Score: 1

    It's the best book on computers, as it is also the best book on anything.

  34. Screw that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a PRISON, not a vacation. They're there to be PUNISHED. How about returning prison to a place people don't want to go instead of an air-conditioned room to read in with all of your meals paid for? Chain those motherfuckers together and make them repay the community they've offended by doing public works projects.

    1. Re:Screw that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a PRISON, not a vacation. They're there to be PUNISHED.

      Hail traveller, I see that thoust hath come from ye olde medievale times. Woudst thou wish for a stein of mead, or perhaps a portend of ale? Thou must be weary after witnessing thy moderne miracles of horseless carriages and the witchery of "human rights"!

    2. Re:Screw that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe in human rights. But unlike you, I'm more concerned for the rights of the victim than the rights of the criminal who victimized them. You offend society badly enough to where you have to be locked up in a cage, you lose your rights. It really isn't hard to stay out of jail, so I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for anti-social bums who can't seem to stop fucking up, and who live in better conditions in prison than most people in the poorest parts of the world.

  35. Tag this backdoor & penetration? by apparently · · Score: 1
    and chill with Mister Warren G?

    (Nate Dogg is about to make some bodies turn cold.)

  36. Rosch's Hardware Bible by itwerx · · Score: 1

    Don't know if it's still in print but Rosch's Hardware Bible used to be a pretty good stand-alone resource.

  37. For the normal people?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously... Why not just send them For Dummies Books. They seem to work well with the masses and will probably give them some information they could use!

  38. One that teaches how to hide files... by cavehobbit · · Score: 1

    ...the modern way.

    After all, cakes are so analog.

  39. Books On Security by nick_davison · · Score: 1

    Because the last thing you want, in prison, is someone sniffing your ports, looking for an unguarded backdoor.

    Well, you know, unless you're the kind who's in to setting up "honeypots."

  40. Yep I'll second the A+ thing by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I got mine back in 1999 but I don't imagine it has gotten any harder. It was a very easy, very introductory computer test. However, for all that it is a useful one. For one, the A+ is one of the oldest certifications, so it has recognition. One thing you find with some certs is that not a lot of people, especially PHBs, have heard of them so they aren't so useful for finding a job. Well the A+ is pretty well known. It isn't high level, but then that's not what we are talking about here. It is the kind of thing that most places will say "Oh ya, I've heard of that, that is what computer support people have."

    Along those lines it is useful because a number of low-level tech support positions desire or require it. Prior to folding, CompUSA seemed to like it for their support people. Likewise one of the local computer shops I've gone to boasts that they hire only A+ certified people. So it is a useful one to have if you want to get started in the world of computer support. Jobs doing basic computer repair (like Geek Squad) or level 1 help desk stuff are quite likely to look for A+ holders. I know mine certainly helped me get some student tech support jobs when I was going to school.

    It is the type of thing that not only will give some useful knowledge that you don't need to have your hands on a computer for (though having a computer helps) but if they choose to go and get their certification, might help lead to some employment. While I certainly don't think it is worthless to have some books that are there just for people who want to learn for it's own sake, we need to be realistic that many prisoners don't have much education and that is perhaps part of the reason they commit crimes. Something like an A+ book could help some of them on the path to get a certification that could help get a job. While not many may follow through, if even one does and gets a productive job, then it is all worth while.

  41. Can't go wrong with the classics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a bit pricey, but Donald Knuth's series "The Art of Computer Programming" doesn't require a computer. Kind of dense, but very useful.

    A lighter choice might be any of Clive Maxfield's offerings. Unfortunately these have the nasty habit of going out of print. Luckily, "Bebop to the Boolean Boogie" is getting rereleased in a third edition in January. It's an enjoyable read and quite accessible.

    1. Re:Can't go wrong with the classics by sadangel · · Score: 1

      It's a bit pricey, but Donald Knuth's series "The Art of Computer Programming" doesn't require a computer. Kind of dense, but very useful.

      A lighter choice might be any of Clive Maxfield's offerings. Unfortunately these have the nasty habit of going out of print. Luckily, "Bebop to the Boolean Boogie" is getting rereleased in a third edition in January. It's an enjoyable read and quite accessible.

      Didn't mean to post that anonymously. Please read parent. Gah.

  42. Stevens' TCP/IP books. by OgGreeb · · Score: 1

    They could practice passing packets using jungle telegraph or the toilets.

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  43. Find free stuff online, print it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a number of specifics I'd like to plug: books on lisp and forth, general introductions to unix as opposed to flavour-and-version specific things. Even something old like _Unix Text Processing_ (O'Reilly) because it's thick and contains a multitude of topics not usually found together in one book. That, as well as books on lisp and forth (Brodie), or something like _Absolute FreeBSD_ (Lucas), the previous versions of _Security Engineering_ (Anderson) and _Parsing Techniques_ (Grune), Calculus (Keisler), and a bunch more can be found online because they're out of print. There are also books online that apparently haven't been in print at all like _Motion Mountain_, a physics textbook.

    I don't know what the budget constraints are but it may be worth contacting the authors and requesting permission (with or without paying something in royalties) to do limited, cheap, ``prison print'' runs.

    Though I haven't been impressed with some of the wikibooks I found online, the printed incarnation of selected sections of wikipedia may also be worth considering.

    Unrelatedly, what about Knuth, Feynman, and so on? Or is that way over their heads?

  44. states have guidelines... by jsh1972 · · Score: 2, Informative

    regarding which books they will accept. as a former 'guest' of the state of texas, i had books sent in from family... html reference books, networking, linux, etc. this was in the late '90s, and i read these books for several months before i was finally able to get into a business computer information systems class, which was mostly just learning windows office apps. the stuff i learned from the books, however, i was able to apply in free time in class. i ended up talking the teacher into letting me teach a series of lessons on html, it was kind of cool. the guidelines on the books aren't really consistent, as long as it's not 'black hat' flavored or have the word hacking in the title, it will probably make it through. the prison folks don't want to teach hacking to their charges, however... can you say identity theft? 2600 is probably out, as well... kudos to you for the book sharing, though. i received books from a program out of california, can't recall the name right now, and gave the address to several people i knew in there that didn't have family to send them things. you'd be surprised at the number of people in there that genuinely want to learn and better themselves.

  45. First or second time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Caught with kiddie porn? Well, don't send him to prison. Just cut off his penis. While he's looking at children. Slowly. Without painkillers.

    That way, he'll have an aversion to children, the inability to propogate his genes, and become a 'productive' member of society, probably working for minimum wage, somewhere.

    Cruel and Unusual? Sure. But so is child porn.

    1. Re:First or second time... by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 1

      Cruel and Unusual? Sure. But so is child porn.

      That depends on how literal you're being with the term "child" there. Other countries (yes, I know, not the US) feel that someone is mature enough to choose their sexual partners at 16 or 17. If they're mature enough to do that, surely they're mature enough to choose whether or not they want to be photographed in the act?

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    2. Re:First or second time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting however, since there are cases such as two, 17 year olds both getting charged with child molestation for having sex with each other I think it's probably a bad idea to have such a punishment..

  46. An example list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My friend is in prison, and I'm sending computer books to him. Most of them become very welcome. Among the titles are: D.Knuth "The Art of Computer Programming", Part I; Aho, Ulman, etc. "Compilers: Principles, Techniques and Tools"; S.Meyer "Effective C++"; A.Tanenbaum "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation"; M.Nelson "The Data Compression Book" (this is the only one which got less than "great" rating); Corman, etc. "Introduction to Algorithms".

    I guess the preferences differ between people here.

  47. Easy... by NerveGas · · Score: 1

    One on hacking and system penetraion. Or "How to commit identity fraud".

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  48. The bigger question is... by crossmr · · Score: 1

    How much use will they be? (the following is based on my loose understanding of Canadian law and may not apply to American law)
    A lot of entry level PC jobs are in retail shops (mom & pops, best buy, etc)
    Generally to work in a retail place you have to handle money and therefore be bondable
    if you have a criminal record you're not bondable

    About the only chance they'd have is to open a shop of their own, but with what money?
    Working at anything above a retail shop would generally require a degree and an explanation of where you've been for the last 2-10 years..

    I suppose they're good for their own personal interest, but a lot of people are making comments along the lines of "this would help them learn a skill for a job"

    Let's not forget the prisoners who may have been convicted of a computer crime (which generally means they're computer savvy, but not necessarily) and may not be allowed near computers for x years after release or their entire life.

  49. Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about Code, by Charles Petzold? It's a very well written introduction to basic computer theory.

  50. There's always... by NoxNoctis · · Score: 1

    Prison Security Systems for Dummies

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  51. Computer Books for Brains only by 32771 · · Score: 1

    Well I could think of some algorithm books for which you need a good math background and no computer, "The Art of Computer Programming" comes to mind.

    If you find some sufficiently educated prisoners this could be something to pass their time with.

    But face it, about 20% of all Americans have a bachelors degree or higher. Academics tend to be underrepresented in prison so there is little reason to believe that you will find many takers for this kind of literature in prison.

    The degree percentage per person can be found here:

    http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/education/phct41.html

    The statement that there are less academics in prison is supported here:

    http://www.policyalmanac.org/crime/archive/education_prisons.pdf

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  52. Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs by Roger_Wilco · · Score: 1

    I would recommend the Wizard book as one option. It's not for everyone, but for people who can make use of it, it should be perfect for study without a computer. LISP can be interpreted by hand, most of the book is very algorithm oriented.

    It won't do much for someone's immediate employability, I suppose, but someone who groks LISP should be able to pick up other languages easily. If I was looking for a sharp programmer, someone who knew the languages I needed, and understood this book, would look pretty good.

  53. Stick to Unix Basic by cfortin · · Score: 1

    Start them off with network protocols, in particular, The Story of Ping

    http://www.amazon.com/Story-About-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0140502416

  54. Good AI book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Russell & Norvig's Artifical Intelligence: A modern approach would be ideal to cover nearly all AI topics. Since it mostly talks about maths, there's no need for a computer. It was the best reference on my degree course.

  55. Books that promote rational thinking by Phoe6 · · Score: 1

    I just attended a lecture from a space scientist, who was explaining the importance of basic science in the society, that is, it helps promote rational thinking. I could not agree more.
    Computer has a "Science" in it. Try to get them easy, readable and popular computer books which not only teaches computers but also explains logical and rational way of doing things.

    - Fundamentals of Computers, whichever you find, written ideally for school students (10th grade)

    - Historical books on advancement in Computer Field.

    - The Road Ahead by Bill Gates ( though not about Computers but people would recognize it)

    - The Mythical Man Month by Fred Brooks.

    Amusing books could help, like:
    - Alice in wonderland

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  56. pcintern by Meitham · · Score: 1

    I bet they have plenty of time to cover pcintern. can they have a computer to play with inside the prison?

  57. Re:Since Ted Stevens may very well end up there so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People deride his analogy, but how many of you are old enough or smart enough to learn about how corporations built communication systems for their buildings. They used tubes. You could send a message using tubes. It would ROUTE anywhere you wanted it to go, like packets.

    If you remember the old Windows screensaver with the tubes, and then expand that to the power of one billion, we are looking at the internet. The fact remains, sir or madam, that a series of tubes is a meaningful analogy. It works.

  58. Code Complete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're interested in software construction at all, its an excellent group the broadly covers many aspects.

  59. Re:Since Ted Stevens may very well end up there so by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't think the issue was his analogy ... it was the fact that he didn't know what the F he was talking about.

    If a professor (or I guess a first grade teacher, really) was referring to the method by which data got from one place to another via "electronic tubes", yadda, yadda, yadda... ok. But Ted Stevens' "Internets" tubes were clogged because of online gaming - and someone sent "an Internet" to him and he couldn't get it because of online gaming (quoting from memory here, so I may off a bit). The tubes was just the easiest part to make fun of.

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  60. "The Complete PC Upgrade And Maintanance Guide" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll put in a plug for "The complete PC Upgrade & Maintenance Guide", by Mark Minasi. I read it several years ago, and have no idea if it's been updated, but it's quite good.

    It's the only book I've ever bothered to read on practical hardware (as opposed to theoretical stuff, FPGAs, or my more usual topic, software), and it was quite helpful. I've built several PCs that work (while referring to this book), and it has a ton of useful tips for doing things like making notes that will help you put a PC back together after you've disassembled it.

    I read it as soon as I got it, while I was on Christmas vacation, without working with a physical PC at all during that time, so I can vouch that it's useful even without being able to do hands-on experimentation. Reading it gives a reasonable amount of understanding, and it can then be used as a reference for particular hardware problems/tasks if/when the reader is faced with them.

    I have no affiliation whatsoever with anyone involved with this book; I'm just a happy reader.

  61. Pass the buck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With basically one shelf devoted to books on computing, what types of books should I tell them we should keep? What are the best types of books to send a prisoner who requests a book on 'computer repair?'"

    If you are worried about too much technical information getting into the hands of prisoners that might be up to no good, I would suggest discussing the matter with the warden of the prison.

  62. The obvious answer. by soybean · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Without a doubt, I would recommend "The Art of Computer Programming." Being ardently theoretical, one could read and grasp and even love the entire thing without ever using a computer.

  63. an actual list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Philosophy
    * Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution
    * Being Digital by Nicholas Negroponte
    * Client/Server Computing for Dummies by Doug Lowe

    Basic
    * PCs For Dummies
    * MCSE Training Kit (Exam 70-270): Windows XP Professional (Pro- Certification)
    * 2007 Microsoft® Office System Plain & Simple (Plain & Simple Series) by Jerry Joyce
    * Learning the vi and Vim Editors

    Repair
    * A+ Certification All-in-One Exam Guide, Sixth Edition (A+ Certification All in One Exam) by Michael Meyers
    * Troubleshooting and Repairing Computer Printers by Stephen J. Bigelow

    Network
    * Network+ Certification All-in-One Exam Guide, Third Edition (All-in-One) by Michael Meyers
    * CCENT/CCNA ICND1 Official Exam Certification Guide, 2nd Edition by Wendell Odom
    * T1: A Survival Guide by Matthew Gast
    * TCP/IP for Dummies, Fifth Edition by Candace Leiden
    * The Book of Wireless: A Painless Guide to Wi-Fi and Broadband Wireless
    * 802.11 Wireless Networks: The Definitive Guide, Second Edition (Definitive Guide) by Matthew Gast

    Programming
    * Learn to Program with Visual Basic 6 (Paperback)
    by John Smiley
    * Sams Teach Yourself C++ in 24 Hours, Starter Kit (4th Edition)
    * SQL For Dummies (Sql for Dummies) by Allen G. Taylor
    * Unix Shell Programming (3rd Edition) by Stephen Kochan and Patrick Wood
    * Learning Perl, 5th Edition by Randal Schwartz
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    Web
    * HTML, XHTML & CSS For Dummies by Ed Tittel
    * Designing with Web Standards (2nd Edition) by Jeffrey Zeldman
    * Sams Teach Yourself PHP, MySQL and Apache All in One (4th Edition) by Julie C. Meloni
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    System Administration

    * UNIX System Administration Handbook (3rd Edition) by Evi Nemeth
    * Mastering Windows Server 2003 (Hardcover)
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    * MCSA/MCSE Self-Paced Training Kit (Exam 70-290): Managing and Maintaining a Microsoft® Windows Serverâ 2003 Environment
    * Security+ Prep Guide by Ronald L. Krutz

  64. How about... by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 1

    How about, "Learn Computer Programming in Just Five to Ten Years."

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  65. LOL!!! Most stupid troll I've seen lately! by rts008 · · Score: 1

    "Honestly, I don't think there are words enough to describe how much of an asshole you are."

    Ah, so you have a limited intellect and vocabulary also.

    Here, try this one:
    "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!"
    See, that wasn't so hard was it?

    *begone from 'my /.', troll!*
     

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  66. just ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you ask Hans Reiser himself ?

  67. Can't resist!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not send them books on botnets, password sniffing, etc...?

    I believe that one thing which is painfully apparent by the massive number of prisons built each year is that the prisons are most heavily populated by repeat offenders. Otherwise, they'd do their time, get out and never want to go back instead of telling the guards to keep the cell warm on the way out.

    So, if you give them books that will teach them "white collar crime" instead of their normal stuff, you might help them serve shorter sentences in the future in nicer accomodations. You could help save tax payers millions!

  68. Re:Since Ted Stevens may very well end up there so by barzok · · Score: 1

    Maybe while he is behind a series of bars

    But from his perspective in his cell, aren't the bars in parallel, not series?