So the losses could be rights, such as protection from self incrimination, or the security of ones papers and effects, that were being deprived by fraud.
Get real, the term "rights" when used in conjunction with fraud has a very narrow definition, neither of your examples fit it.
The defrauding of rights is know as extrinsic fraud which is specificly:
n. fraudulent acts which keep a person from obtaining information about his/her rights to enforce a contract or getting evidence to defend against a lawsuit. This could include destroying evidence or misleading an ignorant person about the right to sue. Extrinsic fraud is distinguished from "intrinsic fraud," which is the fraud that is the subject of a lawsuit.
From your own link, wire-fraud necessarily includes, "to defraud, or for obtaining money or property." The MAFIAA do not claim to want to do any of those, only to get the information so as to further their actions in court.
Presumably somebody will be the first one to do this, and that is sure going to be a bad day for both formats. People are prepared to upgrade their software; it happens all the time and it's a relatively painless process for most people.
I don't have the link readily available, I think the actual paper may have been pulled from the web and thus only available on the wayback machine, but AACS has the ability to revoke individual players.
In a nutshell the way it works is that players do not have just a single key, instead they have a whole bunch of keys and each individual player is supposed to have a unique set of keys. The discs all have a bunch of keys on them too, such that every individual player is guaranteed to have at least one key that is also on the disc.
When they revoke a specific player they do a little set theory math to figure out what keys to leave off the disc such that the one player they want to take out will not have any of his keys on the new discs, but all the other 'good' players will still have at least one key they can use.
That is how it is supposed to work. I would not be surprised if some didn't follow that guideline and just used an identical set of keys across all players of a specific model or production run. There are other parts of AACS that are defined but have not been implemented in the hardware/software released so far.
What this means is that disks are distributed with Host Revocation Lists on them, cryptographically signed by AACS. Whenever a disk is inserted, the drive checks to see if the HRL on the disk is newer than the one it has in nonvolatile memory, and if so, it checks the AACS signature on the new one and stores it in memory. This allows a drive to refuse to talk to a given host software. Likewise there is a drive revocation list that the hosts are supposed to hold which tells them not to talk to certain drive versions, in case an attack is found in some models of drives.
Fortunately, the Xbox HD-DVD drive (which works great on PC's too) has just been hacked to ignore these kinds of revocations.
Say you walk into a room. There's a sword leaning against the wall next to the threshold and a fully armored knight charging you with his sword held high. Do you pick up the sword and parry, or do you simply make peace with your last few seconds of life?
Your analogy is much more apt than you apparently realize.
You can not hope to prevail against that armored knight. If he lands one blow, you are effectively dead. If you land 100 blows, maybe he gets a few bruises. If you fight you are guaranteed to die, it is just a matter of how many minutes it will take.
If you negotiate, you might convince the guy to stop, you probably won't but you've got a much better chance of coming out alive than if you take the inevitable path to death of engaging in a totally mismatched fight.
Of course there is a third option - get the hell out of the room. Same thing with patents, if there were no patents to fight with, then they wouldn't be able to kill you with them.
I don't agree with the way people casually use the word racist in every possible situation these days, and I don't care what the dictionary says about it or doesn't say about it. I've learned to think independently.
So, I use the a word in its correct dictionary form. You hop in all high and mighty correcting me, and when shown up for the ignoranus you are, you think "I've learned to think independently" is an excuse? (oh wait, I can hear it now, you don't make excuses, you are the universal dictator of truth!!!!)
Would you prefer to actually think about things, properly argue your points
All the while you have not refuted a single point from my original post. Your kettle is so black it has sucked the light out of your soul.
One which I started after listening to a white guy call a guy I knew "niger" a bunch of times. My friend didn't want to get in trouble with the nearby security people.. but where I come from, that kind of talk earns you a broken nose.
Does that apply to calling someone "Chad" or "Cameroon" too?
Although I posted that as a joke, and apparently my humor was too deadpan, your response ain't the hot snot on a golden platter that you seem to think it is. All you did was restate your original premise with no supporting evidence - "No it is not remotely reasonable. It's just not enough energy to make a difference."
The total power we could possibly harvest with systems like those in the article is not worth mentioning in the scale of the total energy in the jet stream.
One could argue that the stagnation of US tech wages reflects a stagnation of US innovation as much as an adequate supply of workers.
One could argue that... if they didn't understand the original point.
You aren't Microsoft, you can't just say "innovation" like it is some magic phrase. "Stagnation of US innovation" is just another way to say reduced demand for innovative workers.
I didn't make any racist statements. I never mentioned race. This has nothing to do with appearance or biology. Perhaps you think otherwise.
So you think you can hide behind a narrow definition of "race" as being solely about biology? Do I really need to quote the dictionary to you to show that race is more than just biology, it includes culture?
my.mp3.com - the full text of the ruling is linked from wikipedia and is reasonably easy to read - either that or I've been reading so much copyright lawyerese lately that it has started to sound like normal English.
In a free market, you wouldn't have H1-B visas - there would be no requirements for a visa at all. You could work in whatever country you pleased. Visa and immigration restrictions distort the free market (actually, prevent it from existing at all).
Indeed. I completely agree, but in this case they only have the effect of isolating supply to what is in the country, as if the rest of the world did not exist, so it is still a pretty close approximation.
who thinks that the culture of central america is inherently dishonest
Well maybe it is.... They'll transform the country into their own image.
So, after going on and on about how I am somehow racist for pointing out a racist statement, you make the exact same racist claim? You really haven't done your point much good.
Not really given how damn massive a field CS/IT are and just how many different jobs there are.
Lol! The "its too big for regular arithmetic to work!" argument. Yeah, right.
Also not everyone agrees with your "facts":
Your citation is not in the least contradictory. From your article, "For the first time since 2001, employers reported increases in starting salary offers to students in computer science" - in other words, 3 years of no increases until finally in the 4th year there was an increase that still lagged inflation for the prior period. Hardly the damning contradiction.
this is me amusing myself.
Now that we've established you are just engaging in public masturbation, I think we are done here.
Quantity does not mean quality, 100 monkeys can't do the job of 1 human. You can't magically create properly raised children with work discipline, intelligence/critical thinking and 20 years of proper education.
Hello, McFly?
What part of "demand exceeds supply" do you fail to understand? 'Quality' is just another factor of the supply. To be stunningly obvious, if the supply of qualified people did not meet demand, then the price for qualified people would be increasing. Their incomes would affect the figures for average industry income, yet average incomes have long been stagnant.
The rest of your post is a bunch of bizarre anecdotes, dismissal of cited facts and ridiculous generalizations, "Most Americans... are lazy idiots." If you really think those kinds of claims equal a supporting argument, then clearly you've indulged in this terrible education system you rail against.
If there were Americans to fill these spots, I wouldn't doubt that they'd be filled by Americans.
In a free market, if demand increases while supply remains constant, than prices will rise. Yet we've seen near static wage levels in the computer industry since the end of the dot-bomb years. This empirical evidence shows that there are plenty of Americans available to fill these spots.
If we can't fill our jobs with our own people, then there is something seriously wrong with our education system that needs to be addressed immediately. Basic economics indicates that opening the job market up to competition would be the fastest and most effective way to make this happen.
No, there is nothing terribly wrong with our education system. It is the incentive system that has something seriously wrong with it. The guys going into college know that the job market for computer engineers sucks, so they've been studying other disciplines, enrollment in computer science courses is at record lows all across the country but general college enrollment is climbing.
Make it an attractive career, not one where the suits take advantage of the geeks, and you'll see plenty of increased interest. But if the industry continues to undercut its current people, they will eventually find themselves in a situation where they really do need tons of H1Bs for their talent and not for their effect on wages. Or they'll find that other countries need these guys more than the US does because we've lost our edge.
Throwing open the borders isn't a solution, it is just a suicide pact. All that does is transform the culture of the US into being another corrupt, graft-driven Central American country.
You're going to have to do better than just assert that if you want people to believe you, because it makes it sound like you are either a racist who thinks that the culture of central america is inherently dishonest, or you are a poor economist who thinks that open borders will lead to massive depression such that the majority of the people in the US are unable to earn a living wage and must resort to abuse of power to supplement their income.
I find it hard to believe they cannot find a sponsor (maybe even a computer shop) to give them a copy to play with.
These guys are in India where CS salaries are about one tenth of what they are in the USA, but Vista costs just about the same there as it does in the USA. So, consider how likely it would be for someone to toss $2000-$3000 to an unknown company in the USA with zero chance of getting a return on the money?
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Get real, the term "rights" when used in conjunction with fraud has a very narrow definition, neither of your examples fit it.
The defrauding of rights is know as extrinsic fraud which is specificly:
Uh, no.
From your own link, wire-fraud necessarily includes, "to defraud, or for obtaining money or property." The MAFIAA do not claim to want to do any of those, only to get the information so as to further their actions in court.
Post it to slashdot. Obviously the sysadmin is slacking off, so that probably means he is reading slashdot.
I don't have the link readily available, I think the actual paper may have been pulled from the web and thus only available on the wayback machine, but AACS has the ability to revoke individual players.
In a nutshell the way it works is that players do not have just a single key, instead they have a whole bunch of keys and each individual player is supposed to have a unique set of keys. The discs all have a bunch of keys on them too, such that every individual player is guaranteed to have at least one key that is also on the disc.
When they revoke a specific player they do a little set theory math to figure out what keys to leave off the disc such that the one player they want to take out will not have any of his keys on the new discs, but all the other 'good' players will still have at least one key they can use.
That is how it is supposed to work. I would not be surprised if some didn't follow that guideline and just used an identical set of keys across all players of a specific model or production run. There are other parts of AACS that are defined but have not been implemented in the hardware/software released so far.
Fortunately, the Xbox HD-DVD drive (which works great on PC's too) has just been hacked to ignore these kinds of revocations.
You can not hope to prevail against that armored knight. If he lands one blow, you are effectively dead. If you land 100 blows, maybe he gets a few bruises. If you fight you are guaranteed to die, it is just a matter of how many minutes it will take.
If you negotiate, you might convince the guy to stop, you probably won't but you've got a much better chance of coming out alive than if you take the inevitable path to death of engaging in a totally mismatched fight.
Of course there is a third option - get the hell out of the room. Same thing with patents, if there were no patents to fight with, then they wouldn't be able to kill you with them.
I remember that. I feel so old.
Because your personal version of independent thinking is no more than a second pack of lemmings.
Aisha was 19 years old when she married Muhammad, you rascally independent thinker, you.
Although I posted that as a joke, and apparently my humor was too deadpan, your response ain't the hot snot on a golden platter that you seem to think it is. All you did was restate your original premise with no supporting evidence - "No it is not remotely reasonable. It's just not enough energy to make a difference."
Perhaps you are neglecting the Butterfly Effect.
You aren't Microsoft, you can't just say "innovation" like it is some magic phrase. "Stagnation of US innovation" is just another way to say reduced demand for innovative workers.
my.mp3.com - the full text of the ruling is linked from wikipedia and is reasonably easy to read - either that or I've been reading so much copyright lawyerese lately that it has started to sound like normal English.
You really haven't done your point much good.
Their _countries_, however, are corrupt.
Then please explain how that has any bearing on what would happen to the if we opened the borders.
Not quite done...
Your CNN article with NACE data for 2004, starting salary Computer Engineering: $53,117
NACE starting salary data for 2006: $53,330
Right there in the heart of H1B land, yet only a 0.4% increase in two years.
The market is really boiling ain't it?
Hello, McFly?
What part of "demand exceeds supply" do you fail to understand? 'Quality' is just another factor of the supply. To be stunningly obvious, if the supply of qualified people did not meet demand, then the price for qualified people would be increasing. Their incomes would affect the figures for average industry income, yet average incomes have long been stagnant.
The rest of your post is a bunch of bizarre anecdotes, dismissal of cited facts and ridiculous generalizations, "Most Americans
Make it an attractive career, not one where the suits take advantage of the geeks, and you'll see plenty of increased interest. But if the industry continues to undercut its current people, they will eventually find themselves in a situation where they really do need tons of H1Bs for their talent and not for their effect on wages. Or they'll find that other countries need these guys more than the US does because we've lost our edge.