Russia: Per capita purchasing power parity - $8,900
That's about $741/month
So, charging for a broken product, when a fully functional (well, more functional:-) version can be had cheaper, will somehow magically dispel piracy in a country where most people struggle for food.
Next, they could charge Iraqis for using sand and rocks.
Why would anyone want to pay 36 USD for an operating system which isn't capable of networking and multitasking past 3 programs?
Look at it from Microsoft's point of view: Millions of their US customers happily dole out cash for whatever MS tells them to buy, no matter how bad the product is, or how much of a rip-off it is. Face it - the US customer base is accustomed to being ripped off. Perhaps they are assuming the rest of the world is as easily ripped off.
So what if it looks too much like Lookout? MS/Gates lives in a cold sweat of people doing to them what they have done to others.
I say - let it happen. Let MS's worst reflective fears come to light, and let the chips fall where they may.
If they successfully get the US government, and possibly others to supress the open source movement or artifically prop them up in some way, then let it happen. Let the 'Mandate of heaven' rule in that case.
After all, if the US government installs patents/legislation/etc to protect MS, then innovation moves to other countries. The USA can sit there like a kid alone in a sand box full of 'gummies', while countries who don't give damn about MS's quasi-panicked fears go ahead and join in the benefits of the natural evolution of things in the software realm. Let copies/ripoffs be what they are, and may the best coders win.
Kind of a 'Lord of flies' software island earth, if you substitute 'bugs' for 'flies'. C'mon - at least try and think about it.
Hmm, "few" Every one comes off the line with bad brakes and seat belts *requiring* immediate repair, unless you just think your luck will last forever. There's an actuarial dream experienceof some sort, to say the least. After all, if you haven't had an accident, why use seat belts? Compounding the frustration is the fact that *every* other maker just went ahead and fixed their problems. Except your "few lemons" maker.
Truthfully, the old car/computer analogy only goes jut so far, and doesn't really take into account the complexities of switching platforms - far beyond just the 'gui' particulars. Still, compared to any other consumer arena, windows is the hands down biggest failure. What if your TV *needed* warranty repair once a month. What if your neighbor's TV didn't:-)
Ahh, if only switching platforms was so easy... If only there were enough skilled people to go around...
Rewriting the software in Linux wouldn't be an option and it's embarrassing that somebody would suggest it. It'd be like telling somebody with a sick dog that they should have bought a cat.
No, it like suggesting that you not buy trucks from a manufacturer who has been making trucks with factory-default bad brakes, seat belts, steering, and etc. for the last 20 years.
You have a piece of shit Mac just for fun, and 3 PCs that probably do the real work.
3 PCs to play games, you mean. Real work.
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No matter how many third party products you duct-tape onto it, no matter how many spin statements Microsoft releases, no matter how many kids you throw in jail, no matter how many patches you apply, no matter how hard you try,
Windows will always be disasterously insecure. It was designed to be that way.
Sun probably won't 'fail'. After all, the 'big three' auto makers are *still* here.
Further, to invalidate the primary assertion, just look at Java as an example. Note that virtually *ALL* the things about Java that Sun touted as reasons to use it, are 100% false - its not even backwards compatible with itself. Its a technical failiure, but it was literally marketed into existance. Examples of computer companies saturating a market with overt lies to get a product accepted are too painfully plentiful.
The chief differences between the auto market and the computer market is abstraction, and the basic nature of competition. You can drive a car and pretty much decide you don't like it, and then buy a different make of vehicle, with virtually no expense resulting from changing manufacturers. Neither is true in the computer market.
I maybe going out on a limb, but its hard to examine security without examining support. In my experience, OSS support is ahead by an order of magnitude, and perhaps it is by virtue if its nature.
For example, a vender of IP address space software (I won't say whom) had a problem with its software, and as a customer paying for both the software and the support, when I called in, I got the 'helpful' desk, got a ticket number, and then waited. I was also writing a python script, and a built-in method didn't seem to be returning the values I thought it should. I sent an email to the python developers list. In both cases, about the same amount of time and effort were spent verifying the problem. The next day, I got a response from python's auther. As for the commercial IP accress space management software, well, we switched to bind:-)
This is my no means an isolated incident. The interesting difference is not the response time, but who got the information, and how many hands it passed through. In the OSS model, the info went straight to the developers, unmolested. In the closed software model, it got to the first level help desk, and possibly through a couple of other levels, and then maybe to a project manager, and then to a group leader, and then maybe it got to the actual developers. In the closed model, about 90% of the hands through which the info about a problem passes through don't even understand the issue at a fundamental level. No wonder we never heard back.
As I see it, the chief difference between the open source model and the closed source model is how many of the people directly involved in a project actually understand the project - and - does user input go directly to the developers.
So, I think its and issue of communication with developers. You would think the closed model would free up developers to just develop, but that doesn't seem to be the case. In the closed model, user input somethimes makes it to developers, in some form or another. In the open source model, uses grip directly to developers. Maybe that's why ethereal just installs and displays packets, and the commercial product I installed on my system captures packets, but you get an 800 number to help with viewing them.
Closed source seems to create a need for helpdesk people to take your calls, and open source seems to create a need to people to install and fix software.
Wrong wrong wrong!!! Wind turbines are extremely disruptive, not just to the millions of birds being barbarically clubbed to death every year, but to humans as well.
Just put up a 'do not leap into turbine' sign to keep people from being clubbed to death.
Get out from under your computer and rejoin us here in the real world. You've been gone too long.
Using the phrase 'real world' to invalidate someone's point is the same method as someone using life/death scenerios to characterize computer security practices and issues.
Using the 'life/death' scenerio, among other exaggerated situations, to illustrate the negative fallout of msoft's practices does in fact distort the severity of said negative effects.
Using the 'real world' charactization to passive-aggressively portray opposing points of view as insane doesn't help things either. It just stokes the trolls.
And you obviously have never worked for a financial institution. I'm a contractor who is regularly contracted to banks and insurance agencies. There isn't any way someone is hacking into something like that. That ship will never sink - its unsinkable. People just aren't getting any smarter....
China.vs. US
GDP $6.449T.vs. $10.98T
GDP Growth 9.1%.vs. 3.1%
Inflation 1.2%.vs. 2.1%
PerCap Income $5000.vs. $37,500
Phones (LL) 214M.vs. 186M
CellPhones 240M.vs. 140M
Internet Users 59M.vs. 159M
Internet Hosts 156,53.vs. 115,311,958
TV Stations 3240.vs. 1500+
Population 1.2B.vs. 2.9M
Pop. Growth.57%.vs..92%
Interesting numbers (from another post I saw here). Maybe the most telling is how the average person makes $5000 (US Equiv), but how many more cellphone there are. Does this mean there is a higher willingness to adopt new technology in China? Or do they just like cellphones more than 'we' do? Maybe they don't have to put up with Sprint....
Won't solve it. Viruses and worms are a direct result of poorly architected and poorly thought out software products called Windows and Outlook. What Intel is proposing is what they have been doing to produce 'better' cpus. Keep the old stuff, and layer something 'new' on top designed from a narrow vision.
The only real solution to the virus/worm problem will have to address the inherent flaws in Windows/Outlook.
As to "architectural limitations", IPv6 addresses that issue directly, if he's refering to the rate of growth, which is what it looked like he was referring to.
Bottom line is, his opinion is highly irrelevant, and it would seem that it arose from a limited vision of where the Internet can go in the future. He seems to think its a giant web engine, as opposed to an internetwork of networks.
A different Internet can't fix windows, but windows can make any version of the Internet function poorly. The US DOT will prohibit a car from being allowed on the road if it doesn't meet safety standards. Maybe we can disallow certain software products from the Internet if they have a track record bad enough. Maybe that ability can be 'added' to the Internet to help with the virus/worm problem. Just kidding.
I put Debian on my Thinkpad a20M, and it worked just fine, especially when I put in an eepro ethernet adapter. The windows driver I downloaded from the IBM site for Windows 2000 professional didn't work at all. Debian had the driver right there.
IF those containers were as thick as you say, they wouldn't be able to ship them in anything but the equipment that hauls tanks for the military. So, how do they move them in quantities of more than 1 or 2 at a time?
If you're a country that the US *might* choose to invade/liberate, wouldn't you be a little nervous about having sensitive information on systems run by a software from a corporation that gets special treatment from the US government? It would be unreasonable not to be nervous. The entire 'whose nicer, msoft or the chinese government' line is a red herring.
Actually, the Windows interface conventions taken as a whole encourage people to run as admin. Its very easy to do, and its the 'windows way' of doing things. This default convention has been a part of the windows 'user culture' for so long that weaning users and the developers who encourage them to run as admin is going to be very difficult.
So, yes its a 'user problem', but msoft has had the strongest influence in encouraging it. So while its not *technically* msofts problem, they are the ones who need to address it. And yes, you can elect to drop IE/Lookout, but as long as msoft bolts them into the os/office suite, the majority of people will default to them. Granted, people are pretty unaware of the choices before them, but with the largest software company in the world fighting to obscure choice, or block it altogether, one can hardly place blame so squarely on users.
In the link above, three complaints were leved agaist Apple. Only one was upheld - "world's fastest computer". How can a statement like that not be a lie?
"Linux is 10 time more expensive" - same thing - how can *that* not be a lie? They might as well have said something like "linux is a bijillion times worse that windows". Acts of a frightened corporation, it would seem. They're afraid of the wrong thing, however.
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went to the main site, and it said this was a planned down time. Maybe slashdot should be called 'slashsmite'
Russia: Per capita purchasing power parity - $8,900 :-) version can be had cheaper, will somehow magically dispel piracy in a country where most people struggle for food.
That's about $741/month
So, charging for a broken product, when a fully functional (well, more functional
Next, they could charge Iraqis for using sand and rocks.
Why would anyone want to pay 36 USD for an operating system which isn't capable of networking and multitasking past 3 programs?
Look at it from Microsoft's point of view: Millions of their US customers happily dole out cash for whatever MS tells them to buy, no matter how bad the product is, or how much of a rip-off it is.
Face it - the US customer base is accustomed to being ripped off. Perhaps they are assuming the rest of the world is as easily ripped off.
So what if it looks too much like Lookout? MS/Gates lives in a cold sweat of people doing to them what they have done to others.
I say - let it happen. Let MS's worst reflective fears come to light, and let the chips fall where they may.
If they successfully get the US government, and possibly others to supress the open source movement or artifically prop them up in some way, then let it happen. Let the 'Mandate of heaven' rule in that case.
After all, if the US government installs patents/legislation/etc to protect MS, then innovation moves to other countries. The USA can sit there like a kid alone in a sand box full of 'gummies', while countries who don't give damn about MS's quasi-panicked fears go ahead and join in the benefits of the natural evolution of things in the software realm. Let copies/ripoffs be what they are, and may the best coders win.
Kind of a 'Lord of flies' software island earth, if you substitute 'bugs' for 'flies'. C'mon - at least try and think about it.
"despite a few lemons"
:-)
Hmm, "few"
Every one comes off the line with bad brakes and seat belts *requiring* immediate repair, unless you just think your luck will last forever. There's an actuarial dream experienceof some sort, to say the least.
After all, if you haven't had an accident, why use seat belts?
Compounding the frustration is the fact that *every* other maker just went ahead and fixed their problems. Except your "few lemons" maker.
Truthfully, the old car/computer analogy only goes jut so far, and doesn't really take into account the complexities of switching platforms - far beyond just the 'gui' particulars.
Still, compared to any other consumer arena, windows is the hands down biggest failure. What if your TV *needed* warranty repair once a month. What if your neighbor's TV didn't
Ahh, if only switching platforms was so easy...
If only there were enough skilled people to go around...
Rewriting the software in Linux wouldn't be an option and it's embarrassing that somebody would suggest it. It'd be like telling somebody with a sick dog that they should have bought a cat.
No, it like suggesting that you not buy trucks from a manufacturer who has been making trucks with factory-default bad brakes, seat belts, steering, and etc. for the last 20 years.
You have a piece of shit Mac just for fun, and 3 PCs that probably do the real work.
3 PCs to play games, you mean. Real work.
No matter how many third party products you duct-tape onto it,
no matter how many spin statements Microsoft releases,
no matter how many kids you throw in jail,
no matter how many patches you apply,
no matter how hard you try,
Windows will always be disasterously insecure.
It was designed to be that way.
Sun probably won't 'fail'. After all, the 'big three' auto makers are *still* here.
Further, to invalidate the primary assertion, just look at Java as an example. Note that virtually *ALL* the things about Java that Sun touted as reasons to use it, are 100% false - its not even backwards compatible with itself. Its a technical failiure, but it was literally marketed into existance. Examples of computer companies saturating a market with overt lies to get a product accepted are too painfully plentiful.
The chief differences between the auto market and the computer market is abstraction, and the basic nature of competition. You can drive a car and pretty much decide you don't like it, and then buy a different make of vehicle, with virtually no expense resulting from changing manufacturers. Neither is true in the computer market.
I maybe going out on a limb, but its hard to examine security without examining support. In my experience, OSS support is ahead by an order of magnitude, and perhaps it is by virtue if its nature.
:-)
For example, a vender of IP address space software (I won't say whom) had a problem with its software, and as a customer paying for both the software and the support, when I called in, I got the 'helpful' desk, got a ticket number, and then waited. I was also writing a python script, and a built-in method didn't seem to be returning the values I thought it should. I sent an email to the python developers list. In both cases, about the same amount of time and effort were spent verifying the problem. The next day, I got a response from python's auther. As for the commercial IP accress space management software, well, we switched to bind
This is my no means an isolated incident. The interesting difference is not the response time, but who got the information, and how many hands it passed through. In the OSS model, the info went straight to the developers, unmolested. In the closed software model, it got to the first level help desk, and possibly through a couple of other levels, and then maybe to a project manager, and then to a group leader, and then maybe it got to the actual developers. In the closed model, about 90% of the hands through which the info about a problem passes through don't even understand the issue at a fundamental level. No wonder we never heard back.
As I see it, the chief difference between the open source model and the closed source model is how many of the people directly involved in a project actually understand the project - and - does user input go directly to the developers.
So, I think its and issue of communication with developers. You would think the closed model would free up developers to just develop, but that doesn't seem to be the case. In the closed model, user input somethimes makes it to developers, in some form or another. In the open source model, uses grip directly to developers. Maybe that's why ethereal just installs and displays packets, and the commercial product I installed on my system captures packets, but you get an 800 number to help with viewing them.
Closed source seems to create a need for helpdesk people to take your calls, and open source seems to create a need to people to install and fix software.
Wrong wrong wrong!!! Wind turbines are extremely disruptive, not just to the millions of birds being barbarically clubbed to death every year, but to humans as well.
Just put up a 'do not leap into turbine' sign to keep people from being clubbed to death.
Sorry, couldn't resist larsonizing that one....
Tofu!
Get out from under your computer and rejoin us here in the real world. You've been gone too long.
Using the phrase 'real world' to invalidate someone's point is the same method as someone using life/death scenerios to characterize computer security practices and issues.
Using the 'life/death' scenerio, among other exaggerated situations, to illustrate the negative fallout of msoft's practices does in fact distort the severity of said negative effects.
Using the 'real world' charactization to passive-aggressively portray opposing points of view as insane doesn't help things either. It just stokes the trolls.
Don't feed the trolls.
And you obviously have never worked for a financial institution. I'm a contractor who is regularly contracted to banks and insurance agencies. There isn't any way someone is hacking into something like that.
That ship will never sink - its unsinkable.
People just aren't getting any smarter....
China .vs. US .vs. $10.98T .vs. 3.1% .vs. 2.1% .vs. $37,500 .vs. 186M .vs. 140M .vs. 159M .vs. 115,311,958 .vs. 1500+ .vs. 2.9M .57% .vs. .92%
GDP $6.449T
GDP Growth 9.1%
Inflation 1.2%
PerCap Income $5000
Phones (LL) 214M
CellPhones 240M
Internet Users 59M
Internet Hosts 156,53
TV Stations 3240
Population 1.2B
Pop. Growth
Interesting numbers (from another post I saw here). Maybe the most telling is how the average person makes $5000 (US Equiv), but how many more cellphone there are. Does this mean there is a higher willingness to adopt new technology in China? Or do they just like cellphones more than 'we' do? Maybe they don't have to put up with Sprint....
Wonder if it would run YellowDog Linux?
Won't solve it. Viruses and worms are a direct result of poorly architected and poorly thought out software products called Windows and Outlook. What Intel is proposing is what they have been doing to produce 'better' cpus. Keep the old stuff, and layer something 'new' on top designed from a narrow vision.
The only real solution to the virus/worm problem will have to address the inherent flaws in Windows/Outlook.
As to "architectural limitations", IPv6 addresses that issue directly, if he's refering to the rate of growth, which is what it looked like he was referring to.
Bottom line is, his opinion is highly irrelevant, and it would seem that it arose from a limited vision of where the Internet can go in the future. He seems to think its a giant web engine, as opposed to an internetwork of networks.
A different Internet can't fix windows, but windows can make any version of the Internet function poorly. The US DOT will prohibit a car from being allowed on the road if it doesn't meet safety standards. Maybe we can disallow certain software products from the Internet if they have a track record bad enough. Maybe that ability can be 'added' to the Internet to help with the virus/worm problem. Just kidding.
I put Debian on my Thinkpad a20M, and it worked just fine, especially when I put in an eepro ethernet adapter. The windows driver I downloaded from the IBM site for Windows 2000 professional didn't work at all. Debian had the driver right there.
IF those containers were as thick as you say, they wouldn't be able to ship them in anything but the equipment that hauls tanks for the military. So, how do they move them in quantities of more than 1 or 2 at a time?
That pic looks too much like something Mr. Garrison would like, judging from the position of the jet engine....
If you're a country that the US *might* choose to invade/liberate, wouldn't you be a little nervous about having sensitive information on systems run by a software from a corporation that gets special treatment from the US government? It would be unreasonable not to be nervous. The entire 'whose nicer, msoft or the chinese government' line is a red herring.
Told him where he can shove either the jet engine or the wheelchair...
Actually, the Windows interface conventions taken as a whole encourage people to run as admin. Its very easy to do, and its the 'windows way' of doing things. This default convention has been a part of the windows 'user culture' for so long that weaning users and the developers who encourage them to run as admin is going to be very difficult.
So, yes its a 'user problem', but msoft has had the strongest influence in encouraging it. So while its not *technically* msofts problem, they are the ones who need to address it. And yes, you can elect to drop IE/Lookout, but as long as msoft bolts them into the os/office suite, the majority of people will default to them. Granted, people are pretty unaware of the choices before them, but with the largest software company in the world fighting to obscure choice, or block it altogether, one can hardly place blame so squarely on users.
In the link above, three complaints were leved agaist Apple. Only one was upheld - "world's fastest computer". How can a statement like that not be a lie?
"Linux is 10 time more expensive" - same thing - how can *that* not be a lie? They might as well have said something like "linux is a bijillion times worse that windows". Acts of a frightened corporation, it would seem. They're afraid of the wrong thing, however.
Marketing is the root of all deception.