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iMac G5 Porn Roundup
boredMDer writes "Apparently someone who has already recieved their iMac G5 has decided to take it apart. Stupid if only for the fact that he's just voided his warranty."
pjcreath writes "Apple has posted official pages listing the components that are 'easy' to install (including the LCD!) and describing how to troubleshoot hardware problems using diagnostic LEDs inside the case. For the very curious, you can download the high-resolution TIFF (10MB) of the iMac's innards from Apple."
wtf?
This isn't an old iMac. Apple designed this one so that your grandmother could open it and replace its parts. This didn't void the warranty. It has quite an interesting inside. I like how they focused on the inside design as well (i.e. G5 heatsink that no one will ever see but still looks cool) as the outside.
Brilliant idea. Post a page of high-res shots to Slashdot...
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
an unpacked version of that TIFF would have been nice.
Tierce
Who sponsors your feelings?
Putting the word "Porn" in the headline when no actual pr0n is involved is just CRUEL.
...Also, I didn't know Buggalo could fly.
I have my doubts that he's voided the warranty, but the dude who runs this site doesn't seem to care. He always takes things apart and posts the pictures.
The new IMac presents a wonderful new opportunity for those of us stuck on the old terminal hacking mode of operation to get with the program. This article even shows that the innards of this machine can be beautiful and may win some appreciation among the Linux and GNU crowd. Despite some of the issues with sound, hopefully this will result in the development of more software for the currently undersupported Mac X OS.
http://www.apple.com.nyud.net:8090/pr/photos/imacf lat/04imac_inside_agreement.html
I don't love Apple as a corp, but I do kinda like Apple. Please slashdot! Don't hose their server!
Online backup with Mozy, sounds like Ozzie, but more!
I thought so. Ahh, here it is: Mac hacking for Dummies
Actually, he didn't void his warrantee by doing this. The new G5 iMac is extremely easy for customer troubleshooting, upgrading and generally messing around inside the thing. This is way better than even the big G5 PowerMacs.
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http://www.kodawarisan.com.nyud.net:8090/imacg5/im acg501.html
This is one server that really won't survive a slashdotting too well, so better use the CDN!
Online backup with Mozy, sounds like Ozzie, but more!
you insensitive clod! I just screwed your father last night and NOW you tell me he's dead?
It's slow, but still running, even with hosting an image-based site. W00t.
I wish I could write clever and witty sigs.
Save the guy's website! Use this coral cache link instead
This is my sig. There are thousands more, but this one is mine.
mirror of images here
Apple has had some high res pics of the iMac insides for a while. Here (http://www.apple.com/pr/photos/imacflat/04imac.ht ml) they are.
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 is the magic number.
And now we took apart his web server
Natrually, you would expect their bandwidth to have at least some relation to this fact.
You must not be an Apple zealot. Those get a hard-on whenever they see a Mac, and jack off to the apple.com website or photos of a Mac being "undressed"... Just another bunch of deviants.
They call it porn in the title because the "clothes" are taken off the hardware.
I was quite suprised at the Porn heading... and yes it was cruel. But carrying on looking at the box, it seems very tightly fitted. Looks like a really well thought system. I wish the guy could show some more important images of the system like how well it sucks in air and removes it. But the most amazing thing about the iMac is the price and technology. A nice PPC chip with a Nvidia 5200 board all sounds great. It would be great if Apple made the system such that you could just use it as a media center. It plays DVDs like that, even though a MAC out of sleep mode does not take too long ... But the Broadcom ethernet chip is a real bad one. Broadcom runs hotter, they should've got the Intel Pro 1000. They also supposedly run at higher MTUs. But how many people are gonna run these boxes on a gigabit network. But definately a nice thin client is very appreciated. I use my workstation's fans to cool of my sweaty feet.
Over all a great system I give it 4 out of 5. Kind of pricey, and loss of sweaty feet drier :). ( but a G5 with a dual FPU is nice, and that PPC architecture kicks ass. ).
But thin clients are the way to go for the home.
So much easier to move around and easy for that 2 year old to knock around. :)
I'm gonna void your warrenty allll night long!
HAHA. When I first read the title I thought it said G5 Porn and thought it was funny because you know "HAHA it looks like porn". Then I looked at it the second time, saw that it still said G5 porn. Then instead of laughing I conjured up images some of the mac zealots in my college closing the door, turning off the lights, and lubing up usb port. Now I can't get it out of my head. Someone shoot me.
That's goatse.cx.
And I don't know that from overtyping, I swear...
You must not be an Apple zealot. Those get a hard-on whenever they see a Mac, and jack off to the apple.com website or photos of a Mac being "undressed"... Just another bunch of deviants
Wrong. Actually I am an Apple zealot, but I have a girlfriend.
I know it's a rarity, but we do exist.
I was wondering around my local Microcenter the other day when I saw one of these. "Funny," I thought to myself, "I've never seen this style of Apple flatscreen. I thought they were all styled in the Cinema line." Little did I know it was a full computer! Very impressive.
Stuff the benchmarks, that is one cool computer in anyones book. I wonder if someone will make a device to turn it into a laptop.
I'll be buying one for sure.
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True story.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Not only is it compact, it even has a backup battery. How long can it operate on those?
BTW, the geek called one of the components "AirMac" which is the name Apple is using in Japan for what they call "AirPort" in the US.
I know it's a rarity, but we do exist.
Girls that read slashdot?
Writers imply. Readers infer.
No disassemble G5, NOOOO!!!!
Me I'm a maker, mostly of axioms.
Binhex, originally. Stuffit Expander will work in a pinch though.
I took apart a 20" iMac G5 today. It took 45 minutes to take it 100% apart (well, at least 100% as far as under warranty replacement parts are concerned) and put it back together.
Easy as pie, as long as you don't strip the screws like an idiot.
Plus, the midplane isn't very heavy or awkward at all, I'm not a burly geek girl, and I could handle it all by me onesy.
Cthulu saves... in case he gets hungry later.
::helping geeks get laid since 1983::
Does anyone else find the iMac diagnostic page's instructions a little interesting?
If you follow the instructions exactly as specified, nobody is going to be able to diagnose their iMac.
It says in step one to turn off the machine and remove all cables. Then in step seven it describes how to read the status LED's. The problem is the instructions never tell you to plug the computer back in and turn it on while it is open, so none of the LED's are going to function.
"They say porn!", I shout.
Only circuit boards I see.
But wait, slot loading?
G-Force music visualization
Although it looks like a great, easy way to pop Linux machines into expensive cars and places with a small form factor for people who can afford to pay extra for things that look pretty, it kind of annoys me sometimes how Apple latches onto ideas that have been around for ages and tries to tout them as 'unique' and 'truly modern'. Read the linked page, it's an 'innovative architecture' that 'dwells in an enchanting display'..
:)
I mean it's nothing new, they bought Pioneer DVDRs, and called them 'Super Drive's' "Only Apple has the 'Super Drive'", or the "First 64 bit Desktop"...
I used to be a big fan of Apple, but sometimes they just need to nose down out of the clouds, it looks like a great machine, but it's not too innovative.. Heh, it 'provides hardware transform and lighting (T&L)', as a computer animator/TD this had me on the floor, its been years since I saw people bragging about T&L like it's some rare feature!
I feel this was pretty straight and to the point, nothing glossed over or biasedly bashed, but for some reason I will still get modded down, Apple fans rule with an iron fist..
LED diagnostics? That's way too complicated...
I think THIS Apple tech note is much more helpful.
Thanks for the tip!
Errr, is it me or does that 10MB archive file actually contain an 7.7MB tiff file?
Unless my (Windows XP) PC is doing something very odd (unlikely), Apple have managed to compress this file and make it bigger!
For comparison, a zipped version (done using the Windows built in stuff) is 7.4MB so it was hardly worth bothering in the first place...
It is robot pornography. See Futurama.
Most people who are going to be buying an iMac G5 are not going to be thinking about needing to have more than one hard drive most likely.
Of course there is always Firewire and USB drives that could be attached.
The iMac has always been form over function.
As geek as I am what should I do as soon as I get my new Imac? Don't you think I'll try to take a look inside?
Check populicio.us
So stick with your cheap Dell-clone and leave the quality computers the those of that can are a willing to afford them.
If can afford the quality, and want maximum expandability, then the PowerMac is what you should be looking at. The iMac isn't aimed at people that habitually rip stuff out and put other stuff in its place: never has been. It's aimed at people that want to be able to use a computer.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
Servant Salamander from http://www.altap.cz/ will open more or less all archives including hqx. It will also do loads of other cool stuff and is my file manager of choice :-)
Shareware, not freeware, BTW. There is a free version available, but I suspect it won't open all of the archives that the full version does at it is quite an old build.
Yes, there's only one HDD, but it's actually not that big of a deal since the iMac ships with USB 2.0 and Firewire 400 ports. Simply add an array of firewire drives if you need more storage. I personally have two 250MB LaCie D2 drives connected to my mac laptop via firewire and it's an ideal solution an extremely convenient. Yeah, it may add to desktop clutter, but the iMac has an extremely small footprint so it's not a huge deal.
I do, however agree with you on the GPU. If it were upgradeable, it would be okay, but since it's soldered to the logic board, Apple should have at least thrown in an ATI 9600XT or even a 9700/9800 Mobility if heat were an issue. I know I'm dreaming, but I keep hoping the next iMac will feature the new mini PCI-e slots ATI and NVidia are developing... As for people recommending Macs for hardcore gaming, I really don't know who you talk to. Most avid mac fans would probably say that gaming is adequate, but if you're a hardcore gamer you'd be better off buying a console or designated PC since it takes forever to get games ported.
Combine a G5 type thing with a Wacom Cinteq so that we can have some seriously scary tablet computer stuff for artists? I mean, the G5 is almost completely a Tablet computer, it just lacks a way to point directly at the screen. So why not do overkill? The only problem is that if you straight out combine the prices, it gets pretty sick.
@Whee
This is not only cruel but also quite dangerous as it has just caused Slashdot to be firewalled here in my lab. Not that it would be a bad idea productivity-wise... Maybe whitelisting it wasn't so good idea after all.
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Now I've REALLY got to get a new iMac. Squirrel cage fans rock! (no wonder apple was boasting about how quiet they are)
Who moved my sig?
Or does the new iMac with it's cover off look similar to a SEGA Dreamcast with it's cover removed?
Get your Unix fortune now!
When Apple had a Mac with the "HYPERDRIVE". Remember it? Don't? Well i won't be surprised, it normally blew out everything. HD,Floppy etc...
I've been using and building computers for 20+ yrs and my first computer was a TI-99.
Second: Commodore 64.
Third MAC 2E (i bought it used, so no HYPERDRIVE)(fav game was The Art of War)
Cracking a Mac case is NOT a COOL thing for me. I was Cracking Mac cases when i had to lug that obnoxious square bag around DC.
MAc's and Open Machines have been looking alike for a long time. I have to admit that i would love to have the speakers on most of them. Hell just go to the San Diego Supercomputing center and get the thrill of your life!
The first thing when you get in is a MAC and rightly so.
As a person who loves PC's because some person won't charge me $100.00 to $150.00/hr to look at my stylish MAC I will always love them for their efficiency and beauty. Adobe started somewhere and it was on a MAC.
I'm typing on a PC right now and will do so until something else that I can fix pop's up. BTW I can crack a Mac case anytime i want.
I'm here for the experience, not the Hyperbole.
bitTorrent of his web page
So, what's "quality" about a GF 5200 again?
So, remember Mac users, you're paying for "Quality" (tm)(r), NOT a jet for Steve Jobs to snort coke on while devising new DRM schemes with hollywood executives.
Companies that mass-produce computers usually operate on a razor-thin profit margin.
That's a valid point.
If money is no object and you're willing to pay extra for something that you might never see like a heatsink as a casual computer consumer, then you are purchasing a luxury item.
Please! His points were accurate. If you are HP or Gateway or Dell, then that statement is wholely true. The differences are trivial and end-cost is a hugely important factor. This is not flamebait, merely a statement of why purchasing apple is a status symbol!
We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
To me, a pretty computer ceases to be pretty when it sounds like a vacuum cleaner.
Question is how many bits did he have left over when he put it back together?
You always end up with a few spare widgets, I think they put them in just to confuse you.
What the hell would a Mac need a fancy graphics card for? To play.. nothing, exactly? The iMac is a consumer computer and Apple understand their OS sucks for gaming. I wish this wasn't the case, but it's sensible for them to just put in a reasonable graphics card (y'know, the one Dell sells with a system of comparable price) that can do Quartz but not much else.
Do you really think you'd buy a Mac if you were into PC gaming? They mostly ignore that market at this point and it makes sense.
Is it just me, or does that thing only take 1 HDD? If this is the case, how do you upgrade?
1 connect a USB or FireWire drive.
2 Go out on a limb and *replace* it.
Seems like in some ways, Apple clearly favours form over function.
In some maybe, but not all. Form _is_ function in other ways. The iMac is quite and requires a small amount of space. That is being functional without intrusive.
My current, beige-box PC has 4 hard drives... if I run out of space, I just slap in a new one for $50-$200 depending on what size I need and how rich I am. As far as I can see, if you run out of space on the G5 iMac, you have to buy a new iMac or at least replace your hard disk with a new one.
1 Your beige box is noisier, takes up a lot more space and probably has a rats-next of wires coming out the back.
2 4 Hard drives ?! That must be noisy as sin. I used to have 3 and that was bad enough.
3 Well, you can just slap in a new one too, as long as you "slap out" the old one first. So, your point is...?
But the 5200 is not exactly a sizzling card. Meybe that's why they chose it -- for thermal reasons.
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...but I want a different screen.
Why do they always "glue" everything together, so it's not possible to buy the combination one likes the best?
Instead of quietly dragging yourself into a corner and drinking away the pictures, you had to share that charming piece of mental imagery with all of us. Now we can't get rid of it either.
Thanks for everything. I'll be sending my therapist's bill shortly.
Daar is nie 'n lepel nie
So your argument is that Macs are less useful than PCs?
fuck you
Ah the reasoned arguments of a a PC user. Shouldn't you be cleaning out viruses or patching the patches on the patches to Windows?
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
Unlike Xerox, GE, IBM, Ford Motors, Halliburton (what the fuck?) and, yes, Apple, Jesus doesn't have a Class A NetBlock. Plus, alongside seemingly half of the Fortune 500, Apple has it's backend provided by Akamai, and frankly, that sort of setup wouldn't ever need resurrection, because it'd never go down.
However, Jesus does have the edge in RFC 2629: Delivery of Packets via Archangel and Shepherd.
I've seen many photos of the 17" iMac, from Apple's own documentation (the 10MB tiff) to some other disassemblies, but This spymac image is a picture of the insides of the 20" version.
The fans are laid out differently, the HD and inverter in a slightly different position, and looks like there would be room for a dual CPU if apple were so inclined.
No, I'm running a heavily modified version of Windows ME. Viruses don't care about me!
Also, I was being ironic. It's sad that your only retort to my joke is mockery!
We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
Judging from the images, it's apparent that even Mac fanatics like a tight box.
It's interesting to see how Apple even puts a lot of effort in designing the inside of their computers. I love that.
I'm not sure which is worse: The Mac fanboys or the self-appointed "adult supervision" telling them to grow up and stop being enthusiastic about things and instead become sad and cynical like them.
(It's even worse when those same cynics start going gaga when such an innovation finally makes it way into the their world.)
Think I prefer the childish enthusiasm of the fanboys. At least their zeal is consistent.
My eyes! The goggles do nothing!
At games, Macs are definitely less useful. There's about a hundred times less games, they come out later, they often lack features and don't adapt well to the one button mouse.. I don't think even the most high and mighty Mac zealot would ever argue against that.
Otherwise (for "work" and internet and file organisation usage.. y'know, iMac users), it's a matter of opinion. I personally like most of Mac OS X, being a switcher of two weeks. If you agree that's okay, but I think it's alright that the new iMac has a miserable graphics card.
If anyone at Marathon is listening, I'd buy a rack kit in 2 seconds. Include a power supply to install in the iMac case and power the LCD, plus add a DVI port, and you end up with a great rackmounted Mac and a nice display to use on some other Mac.
I wonder if I can order all the parts except the case and LCD, and get the computer cheaper that way. Probably not.
You never have been (and possibly never will be) in the market that Apple are aiming the iMac at. The iMac isn't aimed at people who are quite happy having a rodents-nest of wiring under their desk - the iMac is aimed at people who care about form. I wager over 99.9% of iMac owners have no intention of adding an extra hard drive (and wouldn't even if they had a grey-box PC).
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Apple has missed the boat on this new iMac
...
roll-out. They SHOULD HAVE included a model
that incorporates the 23" HD display -- plus
S-video, component IN/OUT, and (external)
HDTV tuner.
Such a product would forever make Microsoft's
MediaPC a relic for the scrap heap of history.
Okay, so what? I can dream, can't I? It isn't
like there is no market for such a media-centric
Mac. And HD porn is THE WAY to go
So how long until someone pops off the aluminum stand, hooks up a small external battery and just calls the thing a G5 Laptop?
Bonus for being the first to use it on an airplane... (most airplanes have power plugs available anyway, don't they?)
Weeks of coding saves hours of planning.
...but how about a damn .jpg? (489K)
Hope I don't fry the server too bad, my boss wouldn't be happy... unless it generated some revenue.
(Yes Bruce, that's my way of saying sorry. The shell server? It's done for.)
I wasn't trolling, just very suprised that a machine that looks like it's intended to be fairly high-end would use a very weak video processor....
The Geforce FX 5200 processors, while supporting the latest features, are slower than the previous generation Geforce Ti4200. Lots of people in the PC world were suckered into buying a 5200 based card in the recent doom upgrade craze, only to find out that they are amazingly slow.
I guess any comment that points out a shortcoming must automatically be a troll.....
At least on the crappy home machine I'm fixing for someone, where I've just snipped off a Fujitsu "Void if Removed" cable tie that was holding the case closed. Ugh.
You're right. BinHex II (.hqx) is a format from the early days of the net and online services. Back when people would e-mail programs to a repository, get them through FTP-mail getways, or using Kermit. In this case, as someone else noted, all you're getting is the file meta-data, including icon.
.hqx simply because its intended use is to be downloaded and used in Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, Freehand, Quark, or other design tool. Making it an .hqx file has the virtue of making it go to your hard drive, not perhaps a browser window. As a son-in-law of a graphic designer, I can say that the overhead of the BinHexing the file is more than worth not having to explain how to save an image in a browser window, especially if a designer's browser shows nothing but a broken image icon, because it can't display TIFFs.
The file was probably made available as a
Dragging and dropping as well as right- or control-clicking are, sadly, not techniques used extensively by many people. Of course a designer is dragging and dropping all the time in e.g. Illustrator or Photoshop, but the idea that you can drag a picture from a browser window to your desktop or to a folder can be mind blowing.
I just "accidentally" visited the apple wwwstore a few days ago and needed all of my restraint to not call Visa and extend my credit a couple G's :) Those tiny G5's are damn sexy, and if they didn't cost so much I think I'd crack one open as well. I have a hunch they're using notebook technology in there. Heck, my P4 notebook is bigger than this G5 =)
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WINDOWS ME?!!
Windows ME is a virus!
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the little fellows with their 9" monitors even had torx screws to prevent tampering. Why? Well, mainly because of the CRT capacitor, and the fact that it had the potential to deliver a fatal shock. Those things really were dangerous back then.
Apple has been moving away from this policy, even designing things like the RAM and AirPort slots on my PowerBook for easy access. The towers and desktops have always been relatively easy to open (my old 8500, f'rex), and the thin little book pointed out how to install more RAM. Still, Apple warns that a lot of the other stuff is off limits (basically anything that was soldered or otherwise can't simply be unplugged).
So Apple (and most other manufacturers) make those scary warranty claims mostly to protect themselves from getting sued by owners that either a) zapped themselves or b) fiddled with parts that were squooshed into rilly tight cases, and never seem to fit right when you put it back together.
as far as I can tell the cpu and the gpu share the same ducted massive heatsink. Am I the only one that thinks that this is the smartest idea in a while in terms of board design? PCI heatsinks and turbo-molexed-fan AGP cards are inevitably louder and bulky. Nice
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It would appear that Jesus has huge incoming bandwidth, but not a whole lot of outging.
Hmm, maybe he's got a satellite conection.
Now when ours arrives tomorrow I'll be able to resist the urge to open it up and see what's inside.
Well, hopefully.
take a look at http://www.msdos.netfirms.com/imagessome if these cartoons i made up about some of my friends and more importantly why you should stay away from mac users
I saw the first couple pages, but the server died before I got to the porn...
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Can't believe the original poster took the time to type out those 'reasons'. Geez..
Blar.
I already countered your Apple == Quality-argument here ;)
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It looks to me that this guy just intended to take gloating picture of getting his new I-Mac, but wasn't sure at what point to stop unpacking it and start trying to get it to run.
Hmmm, do I have to take this green thing with all the little parts out of the white box too?
You are checking your backups, aren't you?
A mirror:
o m/ imacg5/
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Luckily for me, I have this extra space in my office...it's called "under the desk" and its where I have two beige (Actually, dark grey) boxes with a total of 5 hard drives and about 1TB of storage. There's a clock in the next room which ticks louder than both boxes combined (it's far more annoying from my chair than the fans on the systems).
The only things computer-related on my desk are two monitors (with two cables each running behind the desk to their respective ports) a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse. (oops...got a PDA cradle, too).
One computer has a free slot for a removable hard drive (no, it's not hot pluggable). The other one is just about full, but I think I can sneak in another SATA drive or two in a pinch.
Oh, I forgot to mention...both machines are less than a year old and - combined - cost me less than $1000. (That doesn't count the two 21" Hitachi monitors, which weigh in at $200 combined and about 250lbs, but I bought those used from my former employer so I thought that they shouldn't count). I could buy back most of my "wasted" desk space by dropping $1600 on a pair of LCDs, but it doesn't seem worth it, yet.
Apple makes sexy machines, but I wouldn't want to justify them on a price basis (or performance for that matter, as my primary application is not distributed on any apple OS).
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
If you're using Windows, WinZip will open it.
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Back in the annals of yesteryear our department maintained a few MAC's. Being a PC tech at the time I knew sweet little about the little beige boxes, but when they did break I always offered a hand to see if I could fix what was wrong.
An external floppy drive at one point died on the unit (which was out of warranty). I verified that it was indeed toast and called our local Apple shop to source a replacement.
They gave me a price and we were in the middle of processing the order when the slipped in a By The Way.
"We need the old drive back"
I told them No You Don't. The machine isn't under warranty. I'm buying a replacement part - this isn't a warranty service.
They pushed the point and said that they couldn't sell me the replacement drive unless I gave them the old drive back.
At that point I hung up on them and bought the replacement drive through an online vendor.
Is Apple still as anal these days about dispensing replacement parts for out of warranty repairs?
Poor use of the word. How silly. What is this, Fark? Surely you geeks could come up with a better headline / summary.
/"por-n&-'gra-fik/ adjective /-fi-k(&-)lE/ adverb
Main Entry: pornography
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from pornE prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey -- more at FARE, CARVE
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction
- pornographic
- pornographically
Thanks for definitively clearing that up for us.
Do you have a newsletter that I can subscribe to?
My question, as a tech, why did YOU want to keep the old part?
I always keep the old part as PART of the service of fixing.
Concerning Apple parts - out of warranty parts are usually astronomical in price. I can usually fix anything - some just may take too much time and it's cheaper just to order a new part.
I also may be able able to use "your broken unit" to repair other units and possibly resell on eBay or my website or in my store.
Apple used "trade ins/exchanges" to resell to parts dealers like Preowned Electronics and Sun Remarketing - so sources would be available for years to come for Apple parts and service sources.
I'm slightly different than Apple, in that, I don't charge absorbadant prices for replacement parts or for repair really, but I do rely on trade in/exchange as part of my "fee".
Apple has a pretty big business in selling off refurb/open box/old inventory.
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
an article about taking apart new cool hardware (in a nondestructive manner, no less) and the submitter harps on "voiding the warranty"?
its a personal computer. If you cant take it apart, what's the point?
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
I'm glad you're happy. Thank you for telling us about them : )
Some people aren't buying a computer for their office. Some people don't need more than 80GB of internal drive space right now. Some people would prefer an LCD to two huge, cheap monitors. Some people wouldn't even consider opening the case. Some people want to use OS X.
Most people are not like you.
I can't tell from the kodawarison take apart or the Apple diagrams if the processor itself is on a daughtercard this time.
If so, I wonder how long it will be before PowerLogix or Sonnet can come out with a faster CPU.
I've also wondered about the GPU (Graphics card) since the educational units have such a different graphics card - I wondered if they were making motherboards specifically for education for the new iMacs or whether the GPU was simply on a card that easy to replace.
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
What, you think that just because you paid for that G5, you have the right to get in under the hood? A hundred million hits on your server ought to do it, you heretic. Just to be nasty, we'll post the story on /.'s front page, so the barrage will begin at 2:00 in the morning ... nothing like a phone call from your webhosting ISP in the wee hours to start the day off right. No rest for the wicked, I say.
The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain
The ATI Radeon 9600XT is faster than the Nvidia FX 5200, yet it can be cooled by a large heatsink alone, without a fan.
Altough I've only seen one fanless model so far, but I've seen none based on the Nvidia FX series.
Agreed, they should have thrown in a ATI Mobility Radeon 9800 in there, or atleast a 9600.
This isn't a mod down, he just has really bad karma.
How does your mind work exactly? We were talking about zealots and their lust towards Macs, no mention of girlfriends. So how does the (supposed) fact that you have a girlfriend make anything wrong?? nutjob.
If your robot has a sick vivisectionist fantasy.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
PMFG!
Case modders have primarily focused on intel style PC's.. Now that components are more available and the prices, we hope, will come down, then more builders can opt for Apple rigs. Viva la choice.
In case you care, it's exorbitant. Not absorbitant. It means out of orbit, or out of the normal bounds of things.
Ummm... I'm pretty sure he didn't say anything about it being off topic. Perhaps he is questioning the use of the word "porn" in conjunction with taking apart a mac.
You should think before your overzealously try and correct someone.
Wow, you're a pitiful little retard aren't you?
The NeXTstation slab was built with the precision of a swiss watch and the strength of a bulldozer. The 4 screws were just about perfect -- they kept tool-less folks from poking around inside, and the prevented the need for cheap "easy to use" latches and such.
:)
Still, my favorite part of the NeXTstation was the airflow design. Air was pulled in through a row of holes across the top of the rear of the case, flowed past the CPU heatsink, pushed out via a downward-facing fan near the front of the case, then back under the case past the power supply heatsink, and finally out the lower left rear of the case.
The NeXT keys and mouse were awesome too -- control key where it belongs, no traditional "caps lock" key. Full size power, brightness, and audio keys above the arrow keys. And the best part? The keyboard and mouse were surrounded by a thin rubber bumper to muffle any plastic "clump" sound that would otherwise be made if the mouse were to bump into the keyboard.
Oh, and the price matched the engineering!
There are numbers out there about the longevity of Macs in workplaces, both in terms of their not breaking down and in terms of how long they're usable for their task. The Gartner Group has done some, I know.
The evidence isn't just anecdotal, but it is muddied by stuff like the fact that OS X has actually been getting noticably faster for older machines. (Ars technica: "Here's another way to look at Panther's performance. For over three years now, Mac OS X has gotten faster with every release -- and not just "faster in the experience of most end users", but faster on the same hardware. This trend is unheard of among contemporary desktop operating systems.") That's not just a physical measure of the machine, it's to do with the whole set of end-to-end stuff that Apple can control in its little proprietary world. And yeah, it's a high-quality market niche, and nope, that's not just an imagined difference.
It's a choice you can still make, but it's not an illusory choice. Some people drive a Kia, some people drive a BMW, and some people drive a Subaru. Even met someone who was religious about their brand of cars because it had been so dang reliable?
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
While I see where you are coming from on this (I build every non-Apple box I use), some of the perception probably comes from the software that they run.
For example, I've had this PowerBook for two years, and I've had to reinstall the Mac OS once and that's only because I wanted to start fresh... there was nothing wrong with it.
However, the reference-platform dual Xeon workstation that I have in my home office has had four reinstalls of Windows 2000 and XP during the same time period, due to irrecoverable failures of the OS.
With that track record, I would say that my Mac lasts for a long time, where the x86 box fails sooner.
However, if I mix in Linux on that x86 box, we're in a whole new ballpark...
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Apple's Latest iMac Is Elegant, Powerful, Surprisingly Affordable
By WALTER S. MOSSBERG
I am writing these words on the most elegant desktop computer I've ever used, a computer that is not only uncommonly beautiful but fast and powerful, virus-free and surprisingly affordable.
This machine takes up no more space on a desk than a flat-panel monitor. In fact, the entire computer is contained behind a flat-panel screen in a space just 2 inches thick -- thinner than most flat-panel monitors alone.
Yet it houses one of the most advanced processors on the market; a roomy hard disk; a CD or DVD recorder; wired or wireless Internet connectivity; and a full complement of ports and connectors.
I'm talking about Apple Computer's new iMac G5 desktop, which starts at $1,299 for a model with a 17-inch wide-screen display, and rises to $1,899 for a version with a massive 20-inch wide-screen display. It's another design coup by Apple.
This is the third major iteration of the iMac, Apple's stylish consumer machine that features a built-in monitor. But now the computer's guts have been shrunk to the point where they are essentially invisible. And this version uses the G5 processor, a chip that is in some respects more powerful than the Intel Pentium processors that power most Windows computers.
The iMac G5 isn't the first computer to be crammed into the back of a flat-panel display. But the iMac is much thinner and more attractive than the others.
Apple has enclosed the computer in a gleaming white body trimmed with a clear border that gives the whole thing an airy, floating feeling. The machine sits atop a built-in, adjustable aluminum stand.
A wide selection of ports and connectors is arrayed in a neat vertical lineup on the back. A hole in the aluminum stand feeds any cords away from the machine and out of sight. You can actually reduce the whole thing to just two cords -- a power cord and a printer cord -- by adding a wireless keyboard and mouse, for an extra $99, and a wireless networking card, for $79.
The new iMac has three fans, but they are so quiet that the computer was nearly silent in my tests, much quieter than my Windows desktop. The speakers are built in, but sound very good.
The base 17-inch model comes with 256 megabytes of memory, an 80-gigabyte hard disk and a DVD drive that can play and record CDs. The top-of-the-line 20-inch model has a slightly faster G5 chip, a 160-gigabyte hard disk and a drive that can record DVDs.
In my tests, the iMac G5 performed flawlessly and speedily. It worked perfectly on my broadband Internet connection, via my home Wi-Fi network, even though the network is powered by gear from Linksys, not Apple. It was easily able to transfer files over the network to and from Windows computers and other Macs. I installed Microsoft Office for the Mac, and it handled that perfectly.
The G5 processor made the new iMac significantly faster at key tasks than my Apple PowerBook laptop, which runs on the older G4 processor. Even though the laptop has more than double my test iMac's 512 megabytes of memory, the new desktop was able to perform tasks like opening large groups of Web pages and importing music CDs much faster than the laptop could.
About the only important feature the new iMac G5 lacks is a built-in reader for memory cards used in digital cameras, PDAs and smart phones, which is becoming common in better Windows desktops. And Apple scrimped on memory -- even the top model of the new iMac has just 256 megabytes, when 512 megabytes is common on high-end Windows consumer machines. Apple charges $75 extra to bring the iMac up to 512 megabytes.
That brings us to price. Consumers perceive Mac desktops as pricey, partly because the company doesn't play in the very cheapest segment of the PC market, and partly because Apple's prices include built-in monitors that are often unlisted extras in ads for bargain Windows machines.
But the new iMac actually costs less than comparable Wi
Does anyone out there own one of these? I'm considering replacing my PoS home built AMD box with one (once I get a job, of course :() but I'd be interested in Slashdotter's opinion of them. Are they really as good as they say?
ObMac: I'm still annoyed that Apple removed the ability (after Puma) to save screenshots directly to PNG.
Stupid...warranty
Says it all, wouldn't you say? Or maybe someone's not quite on the ball when it comes to reading the warranty terms.
The difference between spam and poop is that you don't have to dig through septic tanks looking for real food. -- Me
think of a Futurama line?
Bender: "drive to Vegas, pick up some Flooziebots and void their warranties all night long!"
Only in a Slashdot fantasy can a Slackware install turn into several hours of sex . . . . .
I've got an HP Omibook 4150 that's almost 4 years old and I'm using it right now. Only issue is a section of the LCD is fading a bit.
Like anything else, it all depends. At least with Apple's laptops, you're pretty much guaranteed that any particular model is built to last.
But that doesn't mean you can't find a real robust PC laptop. Trick is to not rush out and by a new model right away.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Those Macs look like impaled breast implants.
-- "You can lead a yak to water, but you can't teach an old dog to make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke" - Opus
you all noticed kodawarisan is japanese, and fearlessly, he tore into his brand new imac g5, without a care for the warranty...
culturally, the japanese have a fetish for "brand new" things (a.k.a. atarashii), so breaking the "seal" on a new product, even if it voids the warranty, is not a threat. the worry is to be embarrassed by having old things, almost counter to american ideology that old/vintage is cool... to the japanese old/vintage is shameful and embarrassing, not to be flaunted at all.
kodawarisan will probably get new imac in the next 12 months.
three can keep a secret, if two are dead - benjamin franklin
Looks better too.
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"I have also mastered pomposity, even if I do say so myself." -Kryten
He had a very good explanation for the bandwidth God has.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
it was about that little anime vixen finally loosing that skimpy little blue suit!!,br>
Si vis pacem, para bellum! For evil to succeed good men need only do nothing!
Lets see, Dell laptops are made by the same people who make Apple laptops. I wish I still had the link but there was a list of computers and their true makers.
What was interesting is that most machines are made by 8 or less different companies. This includes Apple as well. The standout was that certain Dell laptops are made by the same company as the Apple Powerbooks.
Now the key of course is specifications. I can buy metal cased laptops from several sources and I would bet the quality will be similar. However comparing a plastic hulled laptop to a metal one isn't apples to oranges.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
So would you rather have a bit of flaking paint, or a HD fail from heat buildup like my Dell (well, multiple Dells - not an isolated failure) at work?
Oh, Apple also fixed my paint for free under Applecare.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
Lacie's Bigger Disk. 1 TB with Firewire, Firewire 800, and USB 2.0.
That's how I'd upgrade. Either that, or chain along up to 64 drives on each Firewire bus, or 128 on each USB2.0 bus.
-T
It's actually for this reason that I'm hesitant to recommend upgrading to the new iMac to family members; considerig how much the OS X operating system uses 3D GPU functions, I'm surprised how weak a chip they put into these things. The cost and heat difference between the 5200 Ultra and a Radeon 9600 should be negligable. However, the performance difference is rather significant.
Never hit your grandmother with a shovel, for it leaves a bad impression on her mind...
He was talking about the moderation.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
What does Jesus have?
Isn't that on a bumper sticker or something?
Disconnect your television. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. They're probably lying. Don't be a sheep.
I've got a GF2MX in my 400Mhz PowerMac. There's no problem with using the "3D GPU functions" in OS X. In fact, the only problem I had was that the shitty ATi Rage 128 card that came with the computer wouldn't do the "3D GPU functions" aka Quartz Extreme and I had to throw the piece of crap out. Now I can play Quake 3, RTCW, etc...
I'm sorry, the FX 5200 is perfectly acceptable for 3D use. Just because it isn't the current midrange doesn't mean it sucks. You are all spoiled rotten with your trilinear filtering and 8x anisotropic anti-aliasing or whatever the hell the current buzzwords are. Nobody needs that crap all the time. It's miniscule detail, just icing on the cake. The FX 5200 with the 10% of the features that nobody will notice unless they're doing a side-by-side comparison is just fine for normal people.
Sheesh. What spoiled brats.....
Here's the oversimplified breakdown:
- eMac - low end home/school desktop ($799, $999)
- iBook - low end home/school laptop ($1099, $1299, $1499)
- iMac - mid-range home/school desktop ($1299, $1499, $1899)
- PowerMac - high end professional desktop ($1999, $2499, $2999)
- PowerBook - high end professional laptop ($1599, $1799, $1999, $2499, $2799)
The pricing basically tells you what each is meant to be. The iMac is most definitely not meant to cannibalize PowerMac sales.Hello, friend. If you have any spares, I'll be glad to take them off your hands.
The pricing basically tells you what each is meant to be. The iMac is most definitely not meant to cannibalize PowerMac sales.
Maybe the iMac IS just a mid-range computer.. but that's still now excuse for the LOW-range video card.
People seem to forget that the ATI 9600/9800 + Nvidia 58xx/59xx are now mid-range cards, with the Nvidia 68xx + ATI Xx00 at the high end.
The 5200, as the previous poster said, isn't fit for even many mid-range graphics games that came out in '03/'04, and Doom III isn't even a question.
You're probably going to be using this computer for 3-4 years. Imagine the games out NEXT year, let alone 2007/8.
Latewire
I have several old Macs in my basement, a pair of pre-iMac all-in-ones, a color classic, and several whose numeric names I forget. Several are very easy to open and swap parts from. In some cases there are screws that are unnecessary, because there are nice (non-crappy, non-dell-style) clips that do the job. In the all-in-ones and the color classic, I can slide the motherboard out of the case without removing any screws, and add and remove components easily (for some components: for others it can be a pain).
I don't remember about the color classic, but the all-in-ones have a face plate that pops off, allowing me to very easily swap out the hard drive, or the CD-ROM or floppy drive. I've never seen a PC that has been this easy, and I was a PC technician for a while too. I worked as a tech before every cracking a Mac open, so for a long time I believed the lies about Macs being un-upgradable. It's total B.S., although there certainly are several Macs that can be difficult to upgrade. (Cracking open early iMacs is not for the faint-of-heart!) But the across-the-board statement about Macs being difficult to work with is crap. By far the easiest computers to upgrade that I've every worked on have ALL been Macs. (As well as the hardest ones, from which the misconceptions must emanate.)
You damn well should be. That was great.
Pontificate about your Mac all day, but Dell makes good laptops. And ME better than XP? Shows what a clueless Mac-bot idiot you are. Enjoy your Mac, it's good to have something in your life.
I have to admit, the G5 iMacs look pretty nifty. Not that I'm going to buy one... but my main complaint would be that the video processor is imbedded on the mainboard... so there's no way to upgrade it a year from now when it won't play the latest / greatest games any more.
Some laptops (like Dell Inspirons since it Inspiron 8000) have the video card on a seperate (but proprietary) daughter card. While it's not officially supported by Dell, you can purchase a newer / faster video card for them.
Too bad there isn't a "standard" mini-agp, or mini-pci-x video card for laptops and all-in-one units like the G5 iMac.
If he's an idiot I must be too - I did the same thing last night to install a wireless adapter. This iMac's back panel is removable.
Games? Macintosh? Where? Oh right, the iMac comes preloaded with that Marble game.
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This is not a suprise. No iMac since their conception has been upgradeable to any notable degree. Since USB came out, Apple has focused on external upgrades. At this point, the PowerMac G5, their "professional model" can only take one optical drive and 2 internal hard drives. I am not against Apple's idea, since plugging in a little box is a lot more convienient than opening the case, but it also makes the whole simplicity thing dificult, once you have a burner or two attached, and a small array of hard drives for video editing, the beauty of these machines is going to be hidden in a rats nest of multicolored USB and Firewire cables. As to the 5200, if you want a nice graphics card, buy a high end mac, not the consumer model. Plus, it has been proven time and time again that there are more games for PCs and that they run faster there. If you want a computer to listen to music and make videos, buy a Mac. If you know what DirectX 9.0 is, buy a PC.
Have you ever had to replace the RAM on an 8500? you have to take the whole thing apart to get to the RAM slots. F'n sucks
I throw them out if they don't play nice
"Apparently someone who has already recieved their iMac G5 has decided to take it apart. Stupid if only for the fact that he's just voided his warranty."
What kind of attitude is that for Slashdot?! The first thing *any* true geek does with a new piece of electronics like that, regardless of warranty or expense, is take the thing apart and take a look around!
Tsch, kids nowadays. Don't even know they're born!
I've got your Macpr0n right here!
Yum.
As a former Porsche mechanic, I'd have to disagree. The aircooled 911 engines were quite attractive IMHO--but were quite a hassle to work on for any type of routine maintenance, due to the small size and positioning of the engine compartment.
Once removed from the vehicle, however, they were quite easy to work on. but of course, you would never do this unless you were rebuilding the engine or replacing the clutch, etc.
The 914 motor, on the other hand, was ugly as hell and a pain in the ass to work on.
Just my $0.02.
Actually I build my own machine, selecting each part myself based on a number of criteria, including reputation for quality. I wouldn't be surprised if there were even some parts from companies that the mighty Apple sees fit to deal with. I would buy an Apple over a Dell, but I would not sacrifice the level of flexibility I have now for an iMac. And in many other areas I have an advantage - for example, I have had optical audio output for far longer than it has been available (for less than an outrageous upgrade fee) on Macs.
So stick with your cheap Apple-clone and leave the quality computers to those of us that are willing to build them ourselves...
Read Pynchon.
1 connect a USB or FireWire drive.
2 Go out on a limb and *replace* it.
That was kinda my point - if I have, say, 100GB, and I want an extra 100GB, I would have to (a) fork out for a 200GB disk or (b) fork out for an external enclosure and have a 'rats-nest of wires' on my desk... the horror! But either way it costs me money. And how exactly do I transfer the data without another Mac?
1 Your beige box is noisier - Actually it's pretty close to silent using a Vantec fan and an AOpen noise killer case.
takes up a lot more space and probably has a rats-next of wires coming out the back. - Yeah, but it's under my desk in an unobtrusive position, so neither of these things affect me. Plus I can actually play games, burn cds from disc-to-disc, store loads of data and upgrade at will... seems like a fair trade to me.
2 4 Hard drives ?! That must be noisy as sin. I used to have 3 and that was bad enough. - Well, I don't know what kind of hard drives you were using but mine are extremely quiet Western Digitals and because there is ample space in my case, they don't require anything in the way of individual cooling. I couldn't tell the difference between the noise of 4 and the noise of 1 in my case, to be honest.
Read Pynchon.
From Macworld:
LaCie Bigger Disk
Price as rated: $1,199
Uh... huh...
Read Pynchon.
"Apple loyalists generally seem to look at the lowest of the low and assume all PC's are built the same way."
I take you point, so how about this, when PC advocates stop trying to do price comparisons between Macs and no-name wintel boxen, Apple advocates will stop using the same frame of reference for doing quality comparisons...
Sara
Designer, Gamer, Macgrrl in an XP World
It's a fricken metaphor
Same for their jam company. Dont open the lid to tast or you cannot sue them for food poisoning.
Dont touch that, woooohh you touched it didnt you.
Touching leads to curiosity - curiosity leads to meddling. Meddling leads to opening the case. Opening the case leads to the dark side...
Stuffit Expander opens .hqx files without a problem, WinZip and WinRAR should also handle them fine.
Do you know that?
What, so it ships with a Goatse screen saver now?
I like it.