It was the UN, or rather a small number of people within the UN, who want to regulate the root servers via the WGIG which has been set up precisely for this purpose. The EU is backing them because they are pissed at the US for a whole lot of reasons, Brazil because they are pissed at ICANN, and Chile, China, and the other Usual Suspects for obvious reasons. The UN (or, again, a small number of people in the UN) are doing it for control. Needless to say, I believe this is an incredibly unbelievably bad idea but the large number of slashdotters who seem to be saying "Its ours, fuck off the rest of the world" annoys me even more than the WGIG's proprosals. These are the same people who also believe the US 'controls' the Net, and that all the root servers are located within the States (or, more to the point, don't know what a root server is).
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It's a travesty to the whole of film, I agree. The reason is that the Top 100 list is a list of the top 100 highest-scoring films in the database. Films are scored by people who go on the film's page and vote the film up, or down. And people tend to only go on films they like or have seen so if, like the average jo, you don't watch many films... well, the more popular films always win.
Sad, sad truth. Now the IMDB have started a compulsory registration to view forum posts, I never use it anyway.
Q: How many members of the original Enterprise does it take to change a
light bulb?
A:
Captain's Log, Stardate 5187.8. Having cleared up the diplomatic
crisis on Politico, I've managed to obtain a leave for my ship and crew.
They are looking forward to this much needed vacation.
(Scene: The Bridge)
Kirk: Mr. Sulu, set course for the planet Luxuria.
Sulu: Yes, sir!
(Suddenly, the ship is rocked by a violent explosion which causes everyone
to fall out of their chairs.)
Kirk: Mr. Chekov, report on all Klingon ships in the area.
Chekov: Negative, keptin. Sensors show no enemy wessel in sight.
Kirk: Your analysis, Mr. Spock.
Spock: I assure you, Captain, I am not operating under the influence of
illicit mind-altering substances. However, if you think it necessary,
regulations do stipulate that--
Kirk: I meant your analysis of the current situation.
Spock: My apologies, Captain. I am still sometimes unable to compensate for
the vagaries of human enunciation. It would appear, Captain, that a visional
catalyst source has malfunctioned to the critical overload stage. (Noticing
Kirk's blank stare, he shakes his head almost imperceptably.) To rephrase
my statement into what I believe you humans call `the vernacular': a light
bulb blew in Engineering.
Kirk: Sulu, you have the Bridge. Spock, come with me.
(Scene: Engineering. A medical team is dragging off an injured engineer in
a red shirt. Scotty is surveying the damage and shaking his head. He spots
Kirk and Spock.)
Scotty: Ca'en, sair, seen a' th' bulb ha' burn oot, I kinna see to oper'a'
me engines!
(Kirk smiles and nods.)
Kirk (whispering to Spock): What did he say?
Spock: I believe, Captain, that Mr. Scott wishes to register a complaint
to the effect that there is insufficient illumination to perform the duties
requisite in his capacity as Chief Engineer.
Kirk: Oh. Well, Scotty, get a spare from storage.
Spock: I fear such action would be inappropriate, Captain. Starfleet
Regulation 171.34c requires us to travel with a full complement of spare
parts at all times. If we were to remove a bulb from storage, then we would
not have a full complement, and hence be in direct violation.
Kirk: Damn the regulations, Spock, I've got a ship with 430 people aboard
to think of! At least I think there are 430; come to think of it, I've
never actually seen more than a couple dozen. Oh well, where is the
nearest source of light bulbs?
Spock: I believe the planet Luminos satisfies the specified parameters.
Kirk: Scotty, do we have enough power to make it to Luminos?
Scotty: Ach, I dinna righ'ly ken, Ca'en; we're runnin' a wee bit low.
However, if we go strai' thar and dinna hurry, I thin' we migh' possibly
duit.
Kirk: Thank you, Scotty. Spock?
Spock: Mr. Scott has formulated the opinion that there is insufficient
data for complete analysis; current fuel capacity is scarcely in excess
of minimal standards. However, probability dictates our vessel has the
capability to sustain the journey under the following two constraints:
a direct course must be set and maintained throughout and the ship's
velocity must satisfy a maximality condition.
Kirk: Then I'm afraid our little pleasure trip will have to wait.
(Scene: The Bridge. Sulu and Chekov are engaged in conversation.)
Sulu: I think it was Thomas Edison.
Chekov: No, you are wrong; the light bulb is a Russian inwention.
(Kirk and Spock enter.)
Kirk: Mr. Sulu, set a direct course for the planet Luminos.
Sulu (startled): But, Captain, that'll take us straight through the Romulan
Neutral Zone!
Happens to a fragile VHS cassette far more than it does to a DVD -- one of the reasons I don't touch VHS cassettes with a 10 foot pole made of VCRs. That and the horrible, horrible, horrible form factor (I could fit a computer in that space!)
For me, continuing education translates to 'after highschool' (i.e., university level, college level, or equivilent). Have to ask the submitter, I suppose.
Here in the UK we are changing to chip-and-pin. That is, you are required to type in your PIN instead of writing your signiture. It's a much better system, IMO.
Your comment is both true and insightful. I appoligise if I was a bit short in mine, but I have become very annoyed at making the same points to different people last time this story came around. My fault, not yours.
The location of the root servers do not matter to the people who are making these decisions, only who controls them. This is true. At present, no one controls them. The UN, or rather a small number of people within the UN, wants to regulate them via the WGIG which has been set up precisely for this purpose. The EU is backing them because they are pissed at the US for a whole lot of reasons, Brazil because they are pissed at ICANN, and Chile, China, and the other Usual Suspects for obvious reasons. The UN (or, again, a small number of people in the UN) are doing it for control. Needless to say, I believe this is an incredibly unbelievably bad idea but the large number of slashdotters who seem to be saying "Its ours, fuck off the rest of the world" annoys me even more than the WGIG's proprosals. These are the same people who also believe the US 'controls' the Net, and that all the root servers are located within the States (or, more to the point, don't know what a root server is).
However, I would take issue with your statement that ICANN is controlled by the DoC. ICANN, an international corporation, has proved itself to be a) international b) un-controllable and c) grossly incompetant over the years.
They did. Then "they" connected it to "yours" and we have the current system, a system of interconnected networks. Thats why they call it the internet.
This whole issue is bullshit and should be silently ignored. Don't make it worse.
they have no right to the DNS servers, only a DESIRE to have them.
'Rights' to the root servers (which I assume is what you are talking about seeing as I have my very own DNS server less than a foot from my foot) have nothing to do with it. Anyone can set up a DNS server, and for reliability's sake the EU should set up their own root servers.
This isnt about that (although you and half of slashdot thinks it is), not least of all because a large proportion of the root servers arent even located in the US.
Control of the Net is impossible. This whole issue is a hodgepodge of bad reporting, inflamatory uneducated comments, and worse desisions (on the part of the UN's WGIG).
And I just can't wait until the UN/EU tries to impose a "Root Fee" to pay for managing it
Then I'll set up my own root server and your welcome to join me or use your own! Either way it doesnt matter in the slightest as the internet cannot be controlled. It isnt controled by the US (who doesnt even control the root servers seeing alot of them are in other countries!)
This whole issue is a hodgepodge of bad reporting, inflamatory comments, and worse desisions (on the part of the UN's WGIG).
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I, for another, love it. For extra brownie points, create a cron'd perl script that goes to mtv.com (or wherver's) homepage and downloades a discography (list of song titles and lengths) of whatever the latest Top 10 single is. Perl script then creates an mp3 of the appropriate juration whose content is an audio stream with the words "If you checked this file you would see that it isnt real." encoded in plain-to-hear audio.
Problems: This would inconveniance legitimate users and would be slightly more likely to fail (ie, "This man set up a honeypot and we are now suing him because he wasted our time"). A slightly better solution may have the perl script randomly fill an mp3 file with random midi sounds (which you could then legitimately claim are music).
Actually I'm suprised no ones done this already. Anyone fancy a hack?
Ahh, this is where it gets confusing. Don't worry, alot of +5 insightful comments on Google in the past few months have made this mistkae.
What will library books in Google look like? If you are in the United States and you search for Books and Culture by Hamilton Wright Mabie, for instance, you'll be able to page through as much of it as you like, because its 1896 copyright means it's now in the public domain in the United States. These public domain books look very similar to publisher-submitted books except you will be able to click through all the pages of the book. (source).
Google Print does what you say, but it also indexes public domain books and offers these to a user for free.
You shouldn't have posted as AC, man! Hope you read this (or someone else does).
How does that make a difference to say the great firewall of China?
The difference is that the UN doesn't control the Great Firewall of China. This is a (largely) UN-backed move, and it's the control and power that they want (or at least that someone in the UN wants).
I think the only reason here is, unsurprisingly, national security.
That's the same reaso, I expect, given for the Great Firewall.
Maybe if they spent more of that energy taking a few chances and planning for peace, the world wouldn't be the mess it's in now.
Most people don't like PCs -- they see them as slow and ugly behemoths, and most of them don't work without crashing every five minutes (spyware, etc.). That's why there is a percieved 'demand' for devices which bypass the computer.
Could you have instead banded together to make your own network?
We did. Then we connected our network to yours. That is what makes it an internet.
Why not start the UNternet or EUternet or INDIAnet
Well we kind of have:
* American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) for North America (that's yours)
* RIPE Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) for Europe, the Middle East and Central Asia
* Asia-Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) for Asia and the Pacific region
* Latin American and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) for Latin America and the Caribbean region
* African Network Information Centre (AfriNIC) for Africa
Of course, these are just the Regional Internet Registries, so perhaps not quite what you mean. But my point remains: that it is by connecting these diverse networks together that we get the internet in the first place. Now there are five root servers in the US, and 8 root servers in the rest of the world. I'm quite happy with that arrangement, and so is most everyone else. The people who want all the public root servers to be under WGIG control are a few people in the UN, and some governments who would be able to gain by legislating out subversive websites.
Let's get build our own similar network, but instead it will be governed by the all countries. If we need to we can bridge to the US network later."
Err, actually, that's pretty much what did happen. Now there are five root servers in the US, and 8 root servers in the rest of the world. I'm quite happy with that arrangement, and so is most everyone else. The people who want all the public root servers to be under WGIG control are a few people in the UN, and some governments who would be able to gain by legislating out subversive websites.
No one wants this to happen except the UN (and other governments who will gain from being able to legislate subversive websites off the Net). BBC, CBC, etc. have nothing to do with it.
as for the core that the USA made, you have NO say.
Technically true, but so far from right I just had to comment. There are 5 root servers in the states, and 8 in the rest of the world. So, no, the 'core' is not in the US. In fact you have missed the fundamental point of the Net, for which your ARPA created it in the first place: there is no core.
Finally, sir, you misunderstand the point of the article: this is about power (read from about half way down). The UN wants more of it than it has. I myself am completely fine to let the US continue on administering F, G, H, C, and E, in fact I very much hope they do, because administering the move to the WGIG would be a logistics nightmare. More to the point, the WGIG wants to control the other root servers as well, and I am not prepared to let any one body control them all.
You will find few non-Americans who disagree with me, I think.
Everybody Loves Raymond is crap. You want some good comedy, go download Faulty Towers, Red Dwarf, Fools and Horses, or the original Hitchhiker's Guide.
But have any of my friends in Thailand (where I used to live) heard of them? Noooo! Course they know Everybody Loves Raymond...
Slashdot Mirror
Does this include reading slashdot?
Thank you, thank you, someone other than me has had the foresight to read up on the issue rather than just blindly commenting, and mention the WGIG.
It was the UN, or rather a small number of people within the UN, who want to regulate the root servers via the WGIG which has been set up precisely for this purpose. The EU is backing them because they are pissed at the US for a whole lot of reasons, Brazil because they are pissed at ICANN, and Chile, China, and the other Usual Suspects for obvious reasons. The UN (or, again, a small number of people in the UN) are doing it for control. Needless to say, I believe this is an incredibly unbelievably bad idea but the large number of slashdotters who seem to be saying "Its ours, fuck off the rest of the world" annoys me even more than the WGIG's proprosals. These are the same people who also believe the US 'controls' the Net, and that all the root servers are located within the States (or, more to the point, don't know what a root server is).
Sad, sad truth. Now the IMDB have started a compulsory registration to view forum posts, I never use it anyway.
Q: How many members of the original Enterprise does it take to change a light bulb?
A:
Captain's Log, Stardate 5187.8. Having cleared up the diplomatic crisis on Politico, I've managed to obtain a leave for my ship and crew. They are looking forward to this much needed vacation.
(Scene: The Bridge)
Kirk: Mr. Sulu, set course for the planet Luxuria.
Sulu: Yes, sir!
(Suddenly, the ship is rocked by a violent explosion which causes everyone to fall out of their chairs.)
Kirk: Mr. Chekov, report on all Klingon ships in the area.
Chekov: Negative, keptin. Sensors show no enemy wessel in sight.
Kirk: Your analysis, Mr. Spock.
Spock: I assure you, Captain, I am not operating under the influence of illicit mind-altering substances. However, if you think it necessary, regulations do stipulate that--
Kirk: I meant your analysis of the current situation.
Spock: My apologies, Captain. I am still sometimes unable to compensate for the vagaries of human enunciation. It would appear, Captain, that a visional catalyst source has malfunctioned to the critical overload stage. (Noticing Kirk's blank stare, he shakes his head almost imperceptably.) To rephrase my statement into what I believe you humans call `the vernacular': a light bulb blew in Engineering.
Kirk: Sulu, you have the Bridge. Spock, come with me.
(Scene: Engineering. A medical team is dragging off an injured engineer in a red shirt. Scotty is surveying the damage and shaking his head. He spots Kirk and Spock.)
Scotty: Ca'en, sair, seen a' th' bulb ha' burn oot, I kinna see to oper'a' me engines!
(Kirk smiles and nods.)
Kirk (whispering to Spock): What did he say?
Spock: I believe, Captain, that Mr. Scott wishes to register a complaint to the effect that there is insufficient illumination to perform the duties requisite in his capacity as Chief Engineer.
Kirk: Oh. Well, Scotty, get a spare from storage.
Spock: I fear such action would be inappropriate, Captain. Starfleet Regulation 171.34c requires us to travel with a full complement of spare parts at all times. If we were to remove a bulb from storage, then we would not have a full complement, and hence be in direct violation.
Kirk: Damn the regulations, Spock, I've got a ship with 430 people aboard to think of! At least I think there are 430; come to think of it, I've never actually seen more than a couple dozen. Oh well, where is the nearest source of light bulbs?
Spock: I believe the planet Luminos satisfies the specified parameters.
Kirk: Scotty, do we have enough power to make it to Luminos?
Scotty: Ach, I dinna righ'ly ken, Ca'en; we're runnin' a wee bit low. However, if we go strai' thar and dinna hurry, I thin' we migh' possibly duit.
Kirk: Thank you, Scotty. Spock?
Spock: Mr. Scott has formulated the opinion that there is insufficient data for complete analysis; current fuel capacity is scarcely in excess of minimal standards. However, probability dictates our vessel has the capability to sustain the journey under the following two constraints: a direct course must be set and maintained throughout and the ship's velocity must satisfy a maximality condition.
Kirk: Then I'm afraid our little pleasure trip will have to wait.
(Scene: The Bridge. Sulu and Chekov are engaged in conversation.)
Sulu: I think it was Thomas Edison.
Chekov: No, you are wrong; the light bulb is a Russian inwention.
(Kirk and Spock enter.)
Kirk: Mr. Sulu, set a direct course for the planet Luminos.
Sulu (startled): But, Captain, that'll take us straight through the Romulan Neutral Zone!
Kirk: It's a risk we'
Happens to a fragile VHS cassette far more than it does to a DVD -- one of the reasons I don't touch VHS cassettes with a 10 foot pole made of VCRs. That and the horrible, horrible, horrible form factor (I could fit a computer in that space!)
For me, continuing education translates to 'after highschool' (i.e., university level, college level, or equivilent). Have to ask the submitter, I suppose.
Umm. Hate to be a killjoy, but why not just use the window?
Here in the UK we are changing to chip-and-pin. That is, you are required to type in your PIN instead of writing your signiture. It's a much better system, IMO.
The location of the root servers do not matter to the people who are making these decisions, only who controls them. This is true. At present, no one controls them. The UN, or rather a small number of people within the UN, wants to regulate them via the WGIG which has been set up precisely for this purpose. The EU is backing them because they are pissed at the US for a whole lot of reasons, Brazil because they are pissed at ICANN, and Chile, China, and the other Usual Suspects for obvious reasons. The UN (or, again, a small number of people in the UN) are doing it for control. Needless to say, I believe this is an incredibly unbelievably bad idea but the large number of slashdotters who seem to be saying "Its ours, fuck off the rest of the world" annoys me even more than the WGIG's proprosals. These are the same people who also believe the US 'controls' the Net, and that all the root servers are located within the States (or, more to the point, don't know what a root server is).
However, I would take issue with your statement that ICANN is controlled by the DoC. ICANN, an international corporation, has proved itself to be a) international b) un-controllable and c) grossly incompetant over the years.
They did. Then "they" connected it to "yours" and we have the current system, a system of interconnected networks. Thats why they call it the internet.
This whole issue is bullshit and should be silently ignored. Don't make it worse.
they have no right to the DNS servers, only a DESIRE to have them.
'Rights' to the root servers (which I assume is what you are talking about seeing as I have my very own DNS server less than a foot from my foot) have nothing to do with it. Anyone can set up a DNS server, and for reliability's sake the EU should set up their own root servers.
This isnt about that (although you and half of slashdot thinks it is), not least of all because a large proportion of the root servers arent even located in the US.
Control of the Net is impossible. This whole issue is a hodgepodge of bad reporting, inflamatory uneducated comments, and worse desisions (on the part of the UN's WGIG).
And I just can't wait until the UN/EU tries to impose a "Root Fee" to pay for managing it
Then I'll set up my own root server and your welcome to join me or use your own! Either way it doesnt matter in the slightest as the internet cannot be controlled. It isnt controled by the US (who doesnt even control the root servers seeing alot of them are in other countries!)
This whole issue is a hodgepodge of bad reporting, inflamatory comments, and worse desisions (on the part of the UN's WGIG).
Problems: This would inconveniance legitimate users and would be slightly more likely to fail (ie, "This man set up a honeypot and we are now suing him because he wasted our time"). A slightly better solution may have the perl script randomly fill an mp3 file with random midi sounds (which you could then legitimately claim are music).
Actually I'm suprised no ones done this already. Anyone fancy a hack?
Awesome. Fucking awesome.
What will library books in Google look like?
If you are in the United States and you search for Books and Culture by Hamilton Wright Mabie, for instance, you'll be able to page through as much of it as you like, because its 1896 copyright means it's now in the public domain in the United States. These public domain books look very similar to publisher-submitted books except you will be able to click through all the pages of the book. (source).
Google Print does what you say, but it also indexes public domain books and offers these to a user for free.
How does that make a difference to say the great firewall of China?
The difference is that the UN doesn't control the Great Firewall of China. This is a (largely) UN-backed move, and it's the control and power that they want (or at least that someone in the UN wants).
I think the only reason here is, unsurprisingly, national security.
That's the same reaso, I expect, given for the Great Firewall.
Maybe if they spent more of that energy taking a few chances and planning for peace, the world wouldn't be the mess it's in now.
You're dead right there.
It...really... annoys me.
I do not think the telecoms will be able to find an argument that will resonate with voters.
Your point? ;-)
I do not see any plausible legal challenge at this stage.
Your point? ;-) They'll stop it anyway -- or at least try.
Could you have instead banded together to make your own network?
We did. Then we connected our network to yours. That is what makes it an internet.
Why not start the UNternet or EUternet or INDIAnet
Well we kind of have:
* American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) for North America (that's yours)
* RIPE Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) for Europe, the Middle East and Central Asia
* Asia-Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) for Asia and the Pacific region
* Latin American and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry (LACNIC) for Latin America and the Caribbean region
* African Network Information Centre (AfriNIC) for Africa
Of course, these are just the Regional Internet Registries, so perhaps not quite what you mean. But my point remains: that it is by connecting these diverse networks together that we get the internet in the first place. Now there are five root servers in the US, and 8 root servers in the rest of the world. I'm quite happy with that arrangement, and so is most everyone else. The people who want all the public root servers to be under WGIG control are a few people in the UN, and some governments who would be able to gain by legislating out subversive websites.
Let's get build our own similar network, but instead it will be governed by the all countries. If we need to we can bridge to the US network later."
Err, actually, that's pretty much what did happen. Now there are five root servers in the US, and 8 root servers in the rest of the world. I'm quite happy with that arrangement, and so is most everyone else. The people who want all the public root servers to be under WGIG control are a few people in the UN, and some governments who would be able to gain by legislating out subversive websites.
No one wants this to happen except the UN (and other governments who will gain from being able to legislate subversive websites off the Net). BBC, CBC, etc. have nothing to do with it.
as for the core that the USA made, you have NO say.
Technically true, but so far from right I just had to comment. There are 5 root servers in the states, and 8 in the rest of the world. So, no, the 'core' is not in the US. In fact you have missed the fundamental point of the Net, for which your ARPA created it in the first place: there is no core.
Finally, sir, you misunderstand the point of the article: this is about power (read from about half way down). The UN wants more of it than it has. I myself am completely fine to let the US continue on administering F, G, H, C, and E, in fact I very much hope they do, because administering the move to the WGIG would be a logistics nightmare. More to the point, the WGIG wants to control the other root servers as well, and I am not prepared to let any one body control them all.
You will find few non-Americans who disagree with me, I think.
Everybody Loves Raymond is crap. You want some good comedy, go download Faulty Towers, Red Dwarf, Fools and Horses, or the original Hitchhiker's Guide.
But have any of my friends in Thailand (where I used to live) heard of them? Noooo! Course they know Everybody Loves Raymond...
Perhaps LJ is used for more purposes than you imagine it to be used for?
Seriously, a helluva lot of people have blogs/LJs/etc. Not just 'whiny-emo-kids'.