You can do many things with "unreliable solar power"... or with wind depending on places. My plan is to use only electric pumps (most are electric anyway), to irrigate the farmland of my wife. At the moment they use a mobile pump with a gasoline engine and place it whee ever they need it, it has a tank for about 6h, so if you want it to run longer than that you have to drive there and refill it. Usually you run it 4 days, 2x 6h or so... depending how busy you are with refilling.... to water one parcel of a rice field. A solar pump I simply put there... the only fear is some idiot is stealing the panel. So watch out for people putting new panels on the roof:D And even if the pump takes 5 days for an odd reason... it still is ok.
That brings me to reason any delays beyond that must be man made. Yes, because men make mistakes. Someone has to find them and someone has to fix them.
Anyway, regardless of your lack of clue about CVs... You are comparing apples with oranges, unless your nuclear power plant produces power more or less indefinitely without need of fuel...ah, my mistake, in your country reactor fuel is for free, stupid me.
And a final hint, you would look more intelligent if you would stop mixing up Watt with Watt-hours:P but that would complicate your pointless cost comparison drastically.
Also, it is very likely that over the next few decades we will find alternative uses for many of the isotopes in the fuel rods, so we will no longer consider them "waste" at all. Strange that we did not discover any use during the previous 70 decades, or is it 80 already?
It seems to escape you: coal miners die in coal mines. Or in car accidents to the mine, or due to lung problems because your country sucks. They don't die in coal power plant accidents. They would die a similar death if they would mine gold, or salt or anything else.
Hence: your comparision is utter bullshit. If in the next nuclear power plant a majour accident occurs, EVERYONE is involved, not only a stupid worker in the planet or a uranium miner in the desert of Australia. Everyone living there. Probably that problem escaped you. However I don't care if a coal miner dies in the Appalachies... he had - as you americans say - chances enough to learn a proper job and become a PhD in e.g. nuclear physics.
In our days you don't build a nuclear power plant, especially not with "new technology" for a mere 2 billion dollars.
This one costed 8.5 billion : https://www.reuters.com/articl... And a similar one built in France about 10.5 billion. And that news is old, I'm to lazy to dig out the actual costs. And mind you, that are , not dollar.
If you want to build a plant of significant size, with a more modern technology, as e.g. molten salt reactors, I would not set the price mark below 20 billion dollars and the delivery time below 20 years. On top of that just add all the time and money you need if still need to develop the technology. Molten salt e.g. is extremely tricky.
Perhaps you should up what "intermittent" actually means.
I'm in Thailand, Isan, since 5,5 month. There were two rainy days and two cloudy days. Sun goes up at 6:30 and sets around 17:30. Absolutely nothing "intermittent" here... same for the Sahara or Australia.
Fact: precipitation in the Midwest (that is EAST of the Rockies) is increasing. I linked above the proof. Faceplam, yes. After a drought when everything goes back to "normal" rain is increasing...
Oh, I have no problem with negative glacial rebound in Florida. It just does not sound plausible. And it does not change the fact of riding sea levels... however it would make me more concerned if I lived there. Anyway, there is no clear distinction between a hill and a mountain:D So call them how ever you want.
The temperature is nowhere near what they predicted Strange, are that the reports from this web site: https://www.ipcc.ch/reports/ ?? Or are you talking about a different IPCC?
Yes, but a 95m high mountain, is still a mountain. Good luck with your nitpicking. Perhaps you want to call them hills?
So which hill that was 96m high 100 years ago is now 95.90m high? (You know 1m is 1000mm... so if we have a sea level rise of 1mm per year, that would be 10cm or 0.1m over 100 years. I guess you only need to look on an old map and a current one...)
It is not contrary to what I stated. Are you somehow stupid?
The drought is over, or nearly over. Obviously you have more water now since during the drought. But you have not more water than before the drought, and you never will have east of the rockies.
You want to tell us that in 20 or 30 years when the climate is warmer, you have more water in the mid west. And that is simply wrong. To think that you must have a really strange idea about weather, clouds, mountains.
Delivering vaccines might be problematic if you have no cooling chain.
That does not mean that most households have no fridges:D or that thy have no electricity.
It only means: there is normally a lot of wasted vaccine vials during immunization campaigns, particularly during the âoelast mileâ -- the time from when the vaccine leaves the refrigerator at the district health center until it is injected into a personâ(TM)s arm at the village level. That there is perhaps no fridge in the room where they inject it.
Your idea that half the planet has no fridges, and the climate collapse will come because they buy some is just silly.
Actually depending on the size of the black hole, the event horizon can be quite far away from it. I think Stanislav Lem did the math once in a story and a planet with live was just behind the edge of it.
Oh my god! I forgot to ask, how they make the ice my beer is cooled with. Perhaps they ship it from the Himalaya? I mean in ancient times, in e.g. Germany, they hacked the ice from frozen lakes, and stored it underground. So once a week an "ice man" would come to the pub and deliver 200kg of "old ice from last winter". Or pubs had their own ice basement... a 100sqm big basement insulated with straw to the ground outside and filled with 1m long and about 25cm to 25cm wide ice blocks. Of course we had it easy... before global warming everywhere you had ice on the lakes, often even on the rivers. Alas... now we need to use fridges. No one wants to carry ice from the Alpes or from Norway to Germany, lazy bastards!!
I wonder how they do it in Africa? I mean the only mountain with snow and ice is Kilimajaro, right? Or are the mountains in south Africa high enough? I guess they import ice from the south pole. Wasn't there a story on/. a few month ago that thy ship whole ice bergs to Africa and Arabica?
Well, perhaps they just suck it and drink the coke warm?
Well, it would help if you can point out a developing country that has no electricity for fridges... You speak about Somalia or Sudan I think? Hint: they are war zones ruled by war lords... they are not developing countries. Also the word "developing country" implies the wrong associations in your mind. Hint: even China considers itself versus the WTO as a "developing country"... never been there. But from the looks on youtube videos, they have fridges. They even have electricity. They even have electric buses... and they produce smartphones... I wonder how they do that. But you know, Chinese are famous for their miniature books. A book the size of a stamp, actually usually several layers thick, often made from ivory. In a ten x ten or 12 x 12 grid there are miniature Chinese pictograms written on them. You actually can only read it with a magnifying glass. For the bare eye the 'letters' simply look like a dot.
I'm not sure, but I think with enough focus, you can solder a whole smart phone that way. So perhaps you are right? They only use raw metals and a soldering iron heated up in chat coal?
Let me check youtube, probably I find a cool video about the "art of making a smartphone with a soldering iron".
[5 hours later]
Sorry, got distracted by so many martial arts videos. Did you know they have electricity in the Shaolin temple? I guess they have a diesel generator somewhere in the basement.
To bad they have no electricity to make videos about smart phone creators... or electricity to run the computer to upload it to youtube... I guess they only work during daytime when they have light. Or they are true artists, they can channel their Chi in darkness and move the soldering iron my touch and smell only?
[short interruption]
Sorry, we had a power outtake. Not worries, my laptop has no problems... but the router is connected to the grid. I had to put the soldering iron into the sun for an hour to get it hot enough to solder the router to connect to my USB port. Funnily the telephone lines still have power so I finally can sent this post. Well, sucks to live in a developing country, you are right. However like in most civilized countries, by law the grid and the electric power for the phone lines are separated.
No power, and the beer is not in the fridge but in a cask with ice. Well, because I did not put it into the fridge yet. So lets do that while the post sneaks through my 5GBit connection to somewhere in BKK where it is slowly moved to/. with 640 kBit or something:D
The router on my USB port is actually funny... I should patent it...
Most of California is WEST of the rockies. And no, the Sahara is not greening again, it is growing since about 100 years every year. Perhaps you have a misconception where the Sahara is and how big it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Yes, the midwest has a trend to more moisture, you probably forgot it had a drought the last 15 years... when the drought is over obviously it is because there is more water than during the drought. That is the definition of the word "drought".
So no, if the global warming trend increases the center of the US will most likely be a desert... good luck. I'm pretty sure you are young enough to experience it yourself. Perhaps you want to look at the picture I posted above again. Left side of the Sahara, that is WEST are mountains. So every moist air that comes from the Atlantic rains down in Morocco... no way it reaches any spot inside of the Sahara. Well, sometimes it does, every 25 years somewhere randomly... depending by which happy chance a cloud big enough made it around or over the Atlas mountains or got pushed by an unusual wind from the mediterranean into the desert.
So, perhaps you want to read a book about weather, and how weather influences climate? You could start with general wind patterns and what is happening to a cloud that has to go over a mountain?
The difference is, you have a belief about what others think, and I don't. Yes you have.
You believe that everyone who says "I believe in science" has no clue about science and is a religious nutcrack who replaced his god by a "science god".
The difference is, you have a belief about what others think, and I don't. Correct. And hence saying "I believe in science" is a kind of metaphor. If you had an IQ above 80, you would grasp that. But we already figured you are a kind of autist or asperger who only can talk with others when the exact perfect matching word is used for something. No worries, you are not the only one of that kind. There is actually a name for this "kind of asperger"... a Lady I know has it too... and the reason she has no friends is that she always points out a) I have this kind of asperger and b) after a few minutes starts discussing with you about the meaning of words...
If you engage in a process, why would you even talk about "believing in it?" Because it is a perfect phrase describing what is going on, look this all are synonyms: I believe in X I'm convinced X is happening I'm certain about X I see X is working for me I see X is working for others X is a fact I proved X is true, hence I believe in it.
And before you have another seizure: synonym does not mean all the meanings are the same. The are only sufficient similar and usually you can find a thesaurus that chains one word via many synonyms to its antonym. I have a printed one at home, but don't find one on the internet to give a good example.
Have a nice day...
Interesting that it does not trouble you to not believe in anything. Your GF must have a hard time convincing you that she is not cheating on you... how does it come you believe her? Oh, you don't?... I pity her!
How can we make synthetic fuel using nuclear plants? At scale to replace gas, diesel and natural gas? Easy, we just have to build a few thousand nukes. Per country, of course. Bigger countries more, smaller countries less, of course.
overproduction of wind power they have to get rid of by selling it at negative prices. It is usually not the renewables that are sold for negative prices... see below.
it is often the nuke plants that reduce their output so it is totally useless. No, their power gets sold for a negative price. Because it is cheaper to keep them running and sell the power for a negative price than to power them down and later up again. Totally not dispatchable:D at least not when you need it in an "dire situation".
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You can do many things with "unreliable solar power" ... or with wind depending on places. ... depending how busy you are with refilling .... to water one parcel of a rice field. A solar pump I simply put there ... the only fear is some idiot is stealing the panel. So watch out for people putting new panels on the roof :D ... it still is ok.
My plan is to use only electric pumps (most are electric anyway), to irrigate the farmland of my wife.
At the moment they use a mobile pump with a gasoline engine and place it whee ever they need it, it has a tank for about 6h, so if you want it to run longer than that you have to drive there and refill it.
Usually you run it 4 days, 2x 6h or so
And even if the pump takes 5 days for an odd reason
That brings me to reason any delays beyond that must be man made.
Yes, because men make mistakes. Someone has to find them and someone has to fix them.
Yeah,
idiots using CVs again, having no clue about it.
Anyway, regardless of your lack of clue about CVs ... You are comparing apples with oranges, unless your nuclear power plant produces power more or less indefinitely without need of fuel ...ah, my mistake, in your country reactor fuel is for free, stupid me.
And a final hint, you would look more intelligent if you would stop mixing up Watt with Watt-hours :P but that would complicate your pointless cost comparison drastically.
Also, it is very likely that over the next few decades we will find alternative uses for many of the isotopes in the fuel rods, so we will no longer consider them "waste" at all.
Strange that we did not discover any use during the previous 70 decades, or is it 80 already?
It seems to escape you:
coal miners die in coal mines. Or in car accidents to the mine, or due to lung problems because your country sucks. They don't die in coal power plant accidents.
They would die a similar death if they would mine gold, or salt or anything else.
Hence: your comparision is utter bullshit. If in the next nuclear power plant a majour accident occurs, EVERYONE is involved, not only a stupid worker in the planet or a uranium miner in the desert of Australia. Everyone living there. Probably that problem escaped you. However I don't care if a coal miner dies in the Appalachies ... he had - as you americans say - chances enough to learn a proper job and become a PhD in e.g. nuclear physics.
In our days you don't build a nuclear power plant, especially not with "new technology" for a mere 2 billion dollars.
This one costed 8.5 billion : https://www.reuters.com/articl...
And a similar one built in France about 10.5 billion. And that news is old, I'm to lazy to dig out the actual costs. And mind you, that are , not dollar.
If you want to build a plant of significant size, with a more modern technology, as e.g. molten salt reactors, I would not set the price mark below 20 billion dollars and the delivery time below 20 years. On top of that just add all the time and money you need if still need to develop the technology. Molten salt e.g. is extremely tricky.
And I have no mod point to mod you funny, sad, isn't it?
Perhaps you should up what "intermittent" actually means.
I'm in Thailand, Isan, since 5,5 month. There were two rainy days and two cloudy days. Sun goes up at 6:30 and sets around 17:30. Absolutely nothing "intermittent" here ... same for the Sahara or Australia.
Fact: precipitation in the Midwest (that is EAST of the Rockies) is increasing. I linked above the proof. ...
Faceplam, yes. After a drought when everything goes back to "normal" rain is increasing
So, the idiot is obviously you.
Oh, I have no problem with negative glacial rebound in Florida. It just does not sound plausible. ... however it would make me more concerned if I lived there. :D So call them how ever you want.
And it does not change the fact of riding sea levels
Anyway, there is no clear distinction between a hill and a mountain
The temperature is nowhere near what they predicted
Strange, are that the reports from this web site: https://www.ipcc.ch/reports/ ??
Or are you talking about a different IPCC?
Yes,
but a 95m high mountain, is still a mountain. Good luck with your nitpicking.
Perhaps you want to call them hills?
So which hill that was 96m high 100 years ago is now 95.90m high? (You know 1m is 1000mm ... so if we have a sea level rise of 1mm per year, that would be 10cm or 0.1m over 100 years. I guess you only need to look on an old map and a current one ...)
It is not contrary to what I stated.
Are you somehow stupid?
The drought is over, or nearly over. Obviously you have more water now since during the drought. But you have not more water than before the drought, and you never will have east of the rockies.
You want to tell us that in 20 or 30 years when the climate is warmer, you have more water in the mid west. And that is simply wrong. To think that you must have a really strange idea about weather, clouds, mountains.
BTW: my USB port actually does deliver enough power to run a router. I switch off wifi and use a ethernet cable ...
Delivering vaccines might be problematic if you have no cooling chain.
That does not mean that most households have no fridges :D or that thy have no electricity.
It only means: there is normally a lot of wasted vaccine vials during immunization campaigns, particularly during the âoelast mileâ -- the time from when the vaccine leaves the refrigerator at the district health center until it is injected into a personâ(TM)s arm at the village level. That there is perhaps no fridge in the room where they inject it.
Your idea that half the planet has no fridges, and the climate collapse will come because they buy some is just silly.
Actually depending on the size of the black hole, the event horizon can be quite far away from it. I think Stanislav Lem did the math once in a story and a planet with live was just behind the edge of it.
No worries, it is just a vaccine ...
Oh my god! I forgot to ask, how they make the ice my beer is cooled with. ... a 100sqm big basement insulated with straw to the ground outside and filled with 1m long and about 25cm to 25cm wide ice blocks. Of course we had it easy ... before global warming everywhere you had ice on the lakes, often even on the rivers. ... now we need to use fridges. No one wants to carry ice from the Alpes or from Norway to Germany, lazy bastards!!
Perhaps they ship it from the Himalaya? I mean in ancient times, in e.g. Germany, they hacked the ice from frozen lakes, and stored it underground. So once a week an "ice man" would come to the pub and deliver 200kg of "old ice from last winter". Or pubs had their own ice basement
Alas
I wonder how they do it in Africa? I mean the only mountain with snow and ice is Kilimajaro, right? Or are the mountains in south Africa high enough? I guess they import ice from the south pole. Wasn't there a story on /. a few month ago that thy ship whole ice bergs to Africa and Arabica?
Well, perhaps they just suck it and drink the coke warm?
Well, ... ... they are not developing countries. Also the word "developing country" implies the wrong associations in your mind. Hint: even China considers itself versus the WTO as a "developing country" ... never been there. But from the looks on youtube videos, they have fridges. They even have electricity. They even have electric buses ... and they produce smartphones ... I wonder how they do that. But you know, Chinese are famous for their miniature books. A book the size of a stamp, actually usually several layers thick, often made from ivory. In a ten x ten or 12 x 12 grid there are miniature Chinese pictograms written on them. You actually can only read it with a magnifying glass. For the bare eye the 'letters' simply look like a dot.
it would help if you can point out a developing country that has no electricity for fridges
You speak about Somalia or Sudan I think? Hint: they are war zones ruled by war lords
I'm not sure, but I think with enough focus, you can solder a whole smart phone that way. So perhaps you are right? They only use raw metals and a soldering iron heated up in chat coal?
Let me check youtube, probably I find a cool video about the "art of making a smartphone with a soldering iron".
[5 hours later]
Sorry, got distracted by so many martial arts videos. Did you know they have electricity in the Shaolin temple? I guess they have a diesel generator somewhere in the basement.
To bad they have no electricity to make videos about smart phone creators ... or electricity to run the computer to upload it to youtube ... I guess they only work during daytime when they have light. Or they are true artists, they can channel their Chi in darkness and move the soldering iron my touch and smell only?
[short interruption]
Sorry, we had a power outtake. Not worries, my laptop has no problems ... but the router is connected to the grid. I had to put the soldering iron into the sun for an hour to get it hot enough to solder the router to connect to my USB port. Funnily the telephone lines still have power so I finally can sent this post. Well, sucks to live in a developing country, you are right. However like in most civilized countries, by law the grid and the electric power for the phone lines are separated.
No power, and the beer is not in the fridge but in a cask with ice. Well, because I did not put it into the fridge yet. So lets do that while the post sneaks through my 5GBit connection to somewhere in BKK where it is slowly moved to /. with 640 kBit or something :D
The router on my USB port is actually funny ... I should patent it ...
If that was the case, the mountains in Florida would lose a few mm of hight over the course of the years ... which the don't. (* facepalm *)
Most of California is WEST of the rockies.
And no, the Sahara is not greening again, it is growing since about 100 years every year. Perhaps you have a misconception where the Sahara is and how big it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Yes, the midwest has a trend to more moisture, you probably forgot it had a drought the last 15 years ... when the drought is over obviously it is because there is more water than during the drought. That is the definition of the word "drought".
So no, if the global warming trend increases the center of the US will most likely be a desert ... good luck. I'm pretty sure you are young enough to experience it yourself. Perhaps you want to look at the picture I posted above again. Left side of the Sahara, that is WEST are mountains. So every moist air that comes from the Atlantic rains down in Morocco ... no way it reaches any spot inside of the Sahara. Well, sometimes it does, every 25 years somewhere randomly ... depending by which happy chance a cloud big enough made it around or over the Atlas mountains or got pushed by an unusual wind from the mediterranean into the desert.
So, perhaps you want to read a book about weather, and how weather influences climate?
You could start with general wind patterns and what is happening to a cloud that has to go over a mountain?
The difference is, you have a belief about what others think, and I don't.
Yes you have.
You believe that everyone who says "I believe in science" has no clue about science and is a religious nutcrack who replaced his god by a "science god".
The difference is, you have a belief about what others think, and I don't. ... a Lady I know has it too ... and the reason she has no friends is that she always points out a) I have this kind of asperger and b) after a few minutes starts discussing with you about the meaning of words ...
Correct. And hence saying "I believe in science" is a kind of metaphor. If you had an IQ above 80, you would grasp that. But we already figured you are a kind of autist or asperger who only can talk with others when the exact perfect matching word is used for something. No worries, you are not the only one of that kind. There is actually a name for this "kind of asperger"
If you engage in a process, why would you even talk about "believing in it?"
Because it is a perfect phrase describing what is going on, look this all are synonyms:
I believe in X
I'm convinced X is happening
I'm certain about X
I see X is working for me
I see X is working for others
X is a fact
I proved X is true, hence I believe in it.
And before you have another seizure: synonym does not mean all the meanings are the same. The are only sufficient similar and usually you can find a thesaurus that chains one word via many synonyms to its antonym. I have a printed one at home, but don't find one on the internet to give a good example.
Have a nice day ...
Interesting that it does not trouble you to not believe in anything. Your GF must have a hard time convincing you that she is not cheating on you ... how does it come you believe her? Oh, you don't? ... I pity her!
How can we make synthetic fuel using nuclear plants? At scale to replace gas, diesel and natural gas?
Easy, we just have to build a few thousand nukes.
Per country, of course. Bigger countries more, smaller countries less, of course.
overproduction of wind power they have to get rid of by selling it at negative prices. ... see below.
It is usually not the renewables that are sold for negative prices
it is often the nuke plants that reduce their output so it is totally useless. :D at least not when you need it in an "dire situation".
No, their power gets sold for a negative price. Because it is cheaper to keep them running and sell the power for a negative price than to power them down and later up again.
Totally not dispatchable
Well,
it is just: "click" and *click* and click!