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Have Aliens Found Us? A Harvard Astronomer on the Mysterious Interstellar Object 'Oumuamua (newyorker.com)
On October 19, 2017, astronomers at the University of Hawaii spotted a strange object travelling through our solar system, which they later described as "a red and extremely elongated asteroid." It was the first interstellar object to be detected within our solar system; the scientists named it 'Oumuamua, the Hawaiian word for a scout or messenger. The following October, Avi Loeb, the chair of Harvard's astronomy department, co-wrote a paper (with a Harvard postdoctoral fellow, Shmuel Bialy) that examined 'Oumuamua's "peculiar acceleration" and suggested that the object "may be a fully operational probe sent intentionally to Earth's vicinity by an alien civilization." Loeb has long been interested in the search for extraterrestrial life, and he recently made further headlines by suggesting that we might communicate with the civilization that sent the probe.
Isaac Chotiner of The New Yorker has interviewed Loeb, who was frustrated that scientists saw 'Oumuamua too late in its journey to photograph the object. "My motivation for writing the paper is to alert the community to pay a lot more attention to the next visitor," he told Chotiner. An excerpt from the interview: The New Yorker: Your explanation of why 'Oumuamua might be an interstellar probe may be hard for laypeople to understand. Why might this be the case, beyond the fact that lots of things are possible?
Loeb: There is a Scientific American article I wrote where I summarized six strange facts about 'Oumuamua. The first one is that we didn't expect this object to exist in the first place. We see the solar system and we can calculate at what rate it ejected rocks during its history. And if we assume all planetary systems around other stars are doing the same thing, we can figure out what the population of interstellar objects should be. That calculation results in a lot of possibilities, but the range is much less than needed to explain the discovery of 'Oumuamua.
There is another peculiar fact about this object. When you look at all the stars in the vicinity of the sun, they move relative to the sun, the sun moves relative to them, but only one in five hundred stars in that frame is moving as slow as 'Oumuamua. You would expect that most rocks would move roughly at the speed of the star they came from. If this object came from another star, that star would have to be very special.
[...]The New Yorker: Hold on. "'Not where is the lack of evidence so that I can fit in any hypothesis that I like?' " [Bailer-Jones, of the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy, in Heidelberg, Germany, has identified four possible home stars for 'Oumuamua, and was asked to respond to Loeb's light-sail theory by NBC.]
Loeb: Well, it's exactly the approach that I took. I approached this with a scientific mind, like I approach any other problem in astronomy or science that I work on. The point is that we follow the evidence, and the evidence in this particular case is that there are six peculiar facts. And one of these facts is that it deviated from an orbit shaped by gravity while not showing any of the telltale signs of cometary outgassing activity. So we don't see the gas around it, we don't see the cometary tail. It has an extreme shape that we have never seen before in either asteroids or comets. We know that we couldn't detect any heat from it and that it's much more shiny, by a factor of ten, than a typical asteroid or comet. All of these are facts. I am following the facts.
Last year, I wrote a paper about cosmology where there was an unusual result, which showed that perhaps the gas in the universe was much colder than we expected. And so we postulated that maybe dark matter has some property that makes the gas cooler. And nobody cares, nobody is worried about it, no one says it is not science. Everyone says that is mainstream -- to consider dark matter, a substance we have never seen. That's completely fine. It doesn't bother anyone. But when you mention the possibility that there could be equipment out there that is coming from another civilization -- which, to my mind, is much less speculative, because we have already sent things into space -- then that is regarded as unscientific. But we didn't just invent this thing out of thin air. The reason we were driven to put in that sentence was because of the evidence, because of the facts. If someone else has a better explanation, they should write a paper about it rather than just saying what you said.
Isaac Chotiner of The New Yorker has interviewed Loeb, who was frustrated that scientists saw 'Oumuamua too late in its journey to photograph the object. "My motivation for writing the paper is to alert the community to pay a lot more attention to the next visitor," he told Chotiner. An excerpt from the interview: The New Yorker: Your explanation of why 'Oumuamua might be an interstellar probe may be hard for laypeople to understand. Why might this be the case, beyond the fact that lots of things are possible?
Loeb: There is a Scientific American article I wrote where I summarized six strange facts about 'Oumuamua. The first one is that we didn't expect this object to exist in the first place. We see the solar system and we can calculate at what rate it ejected rocks during its history. And if we assume all planetary systems around other stars are doing the same thing, we can figure out what the population of interstellar objects should be. That calculation results in a lot of possibilities, but the range is much less than needed to explain the discovery of 'Oumuamua.
There is another peculiar fact about this object. When you look at all the stars in the vicinity of the sun, they move relative to the sun, the sun moves relative to them, but only one in five hundred stars in that frame is moving as slow as 'Oumuamua. You would expect that most rocks would move roughly at the speed of the star they came from. If this object came from another star, that star would have to be very special.
[...]The New Yorker: Hold on. "'Not where is the lack of evidence so that I can fit in any hypothesis that I like?' " [Bailer-Jones, of the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy, in Heidelberg, Germany, has identified four possible home stars for 'Oumuamua, and was asked to respond to Loeb's light-sail theory by NBC.]
Loeb: Well, it's exactly the approach that I took. I approached this with a scientific mind, like I approach any other problem in astronomy or science that I work on. The point is that we follow the evidence, and the evidence in this particular case is that there are six peculiar facts. And one of these facts is that it deviated from an orbit shaped by gravity while not showing any of the telltale signs of cometary outgassing activity. So we don't see the gas around it, we don't see the cometary tail. It has an extreme shape that we have never seen before in either asteroids or comets. We know that we couldn't detect any heat from it and that it's much more shiny, by a factor of ten, than a typical asteroid or comet. All of these are facts. I am following the facts.
Last year, I wrote a paper about cosmology where there was an unusual result, which showed that perhaps the gas in the universe was much colder than we expected. And so we postulated that maybe dark matter has some property that makes the gas cooler. And nobody cares, nobody is worried about it, no one says it is not science. Everyone says that is mainstream -- to consider dark matter, a substance we have never seen. That's completely fine. It doesn't bother anyone. But when you mention the possibility that there could be equipment out there that is coming from another civilization -- which, to my mind, is much less speculative, because we have already sent things into space -- then that is regarded as unscientific. But we didn't just invent this thing out of thin air. The reason we were driven to put in that sentence was because of the evidence, because of the facts. If someone else has a better explanation, they should write a paper about it rather than just saying what you said.
It's never aliens, until it is.
How could it be an interstellar probe? The nearest star is over 4 light years away. Are they suggesting some civilization managed to build a probe that can travel at an appreciable percentage of the speed of light? Laws of physics suggests "no". You haven't "seen anything like it before" because we have barely "seen" anything.
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https://www.space.com/41015-interstellar-visitor-oumuamua-comet-after-all.html
Based upon our deep and full understanding of space and physics - because this object doesn't fit into our solid understanding of space - it must therefore be an Alien.
An alien that traveled for a million years to observe us. A very patient civilization. "oh look - that planet looks livable, let's go see it" And by the time they arrive we have progressed to having a whole cable channel devoted to science fiction.
I suppose somebody needs to believe.
“I don’t think it’s aliens, but...”
that people don't want to just agree this was aliens. I'm all for it being aliens. In fact I hope it was and they either invade (soon please) or just come and visit. We need some crazy shit to shake things up here on Earth. But with our very limited knowledge of the universe this might just be a common type of asteroid or something we've not encountered before.
Have Aliens Found Us? Maybe, but if they have Oumuamua has got nothing to do with them in all possibility.
Any species capable of sending Oumuamua towards us would almost certainly have the means to send a more efficient craft towards us. Unless they were trying to hide from our detection; and if they were trying to hide from our detection they would have had a better means of hiding from us.
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We will Exterminate Humanity if you prove you are not sapient.
I'm thinking that it won't be long until CNN or other "News" outlets report that President Trump has a bat boy love child. Way too many of you are going to believe it.
How big will your hissy fit be? It's gonna be YUUUUGE
It's not like this wasn't foretold. All Loeb had to do was read the three books by Arthur C. Clarke (two co-written with Gentry Lee).
The problem is, we didn't have any spacecraft able to intercept the object and have people land on it when they found the docking port. We missed our first opportunity with alien technology.
Now we'll have to wait until the next one comes round and answers some of our questions. We need to get ready now so when the next opportunity presents itself, it won't be wasted.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
It's traveling fast, but I don't think so fast that a probe couldn't catch up with it if launched in the not too distant future. Could this object be strange enough to be worth pursuing? Even if the object is "natural", it could be an amazing target to investigate for all kinds of other reasons.
Ancient Sumerians believed their gods were aliens. https://youtu.be/L3ogy-pqvKQ
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The New Yorker: Your explanation of why 'Oumuamua might be an interstellar probe may be hard for laypeople to understand.
That's because it's bullshit.
We see the solar system and we can calculate at what rate it ejected rocks during its history. And if we assume all planetary systems around other stars are doing the same thing, we can figure out what the population of interstellar objects should be. That calculation results in a lot of possibilities, but the range is much less than needed to explain the discovery of 'Oumuamua.
It's a single event. The error bars around any single event are enormous if you are going to use it to infer a population. Additionally these sorts of objects are rather hard to see so it's hardly shocking that we haven't seen a LOT of them. Furthermore there is a lot of stuff in our solar system we know we cannot yet see and we're discovering new stuff all the time.
When you look at all the stars in the vicinity of the sun, they move relative to the sun, the sun moves relative to them, but only one in five hundred stars in that frame is moving as slow as 'Oumuamua. You would expect that most rocks would move roughly at the speed of the star they came from.
Self defeating argument. Even if we take his 1/500 number at face value (we shouldn't) there are literally billions of stars in the Milky Way.
And one of these facts is that it deviated from an orbit shaped by gravity while not showing any of the telltale signs of cometary outgassing activity.
Bullshit it deviated from an orbit shaped by gravity. There is no evidence of this. And outgassing requires it be made of a material that would outgas. Rocks generally don't do much of that, nor do hunks of metal. It doesn't behave like a comet because it is not a comet. Duh...
One... I would like to believe this is more of an interstellar cell tower. You know, something that can receive radio signals then communicate back home using another form of communication like quantum tunneling, subspace, insert cool communication sci-fi type here.
Two, if it isn't an interstellar cell tower, we should have stuck a geocache on it or something. Hey... free ride to another place to say 'We were here!'
It didn't hit Buenos Aires. /s
It WAS an alien probe.
And it will report back that no intelligent life was found on Earth.
How about it came in through a worm hole, natural or artificially made, just outside our solar system?
I'm not convinced that was an alien probe or anything but I don't think known travel speed restrictions disprove it being an alien probe. It only disproves it having come to our solar system by any means we currently use to move about which is a pretty easy conclusion to come to.
In other words, if it's an alien probe of course it didn't travel here at sub light speeds.
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They investigated planet earth and couldn't find any intelligent life-forms, so continued on their mission.
All those probes that we send to planets should be designed with a longer operational life. When the primary mission is over they start a secondary mission: long term observation which includes special unexpected things like oumouamua
The opposite of science is believe. You can believe all you want, but to know something objectively you need science. Science is the method to develop hypotheses, try to falsify it, and improve your theories. What we know is the potential weight of the object, the shape -- well only very, very roughly -- all the drawings are artistic, so it looks most likely differently. Therefore, science concluded that it is an extra solar object, which is most likely not artificial. We do not know enough to come to another conclusion. We can believe of course that it is something else, but that is believe and speculation.
Through ancient history we have clues of people claiming to worship the "gods" from space. Describe or draw objects in the air which obviously were not of this planet thousands of years ago. I just think many fail to acknowledge the facts already provided, what do we need a alien to come down and shake your hand? But then you still have people who believe the Earth is flat, so I guess there's that.
Clearly, you believe in science. :-D
Well that eliminates the whole Global Warming thing since it can't be falsified.
Um, yeah... you do realize that the 'U' in UFO stands for Unknown... right?
Flying, I would take issue with since that would involve it using our atmosphere to gain lift...
Democrat party approved of sending radio signals to space, and even demanded taxpayer funding for it. Putting us all at risk of not just left wing insanity but also aliens invasion.
We're fucked!
It is waste from an alien craft. Like in Joe Dirt when he was eating off the "boeing bomb" . When the shitter is full on the spaceship they just release it out as a smelly assteroid.
The big difference between his theories on dark matter cooling space gas and this rock being an interstellar probe is that one makes potential hypotheses that are testable and the other does not.
The former is fine theoretical science -even if it's largely speculative. The latter is just speculation, even if it's backed up by some data.
This discussion is very similar to people that look for the star of Bethlehem using computer software. They have certain facts from the bible, and then scour the ancient sky using powerful astronomy software looking for events and things that they think match up with the facts. That's not science, even though it's "backed up by fact", so to speak.
If a craft could maintain an acceleration of 10 m/s^2, then it could obtain 10% of light speed in only 34 days. That is a pretty modest acceleration actually, much lower than even a car. I imagine that maintaining that acceleration for 34 days is still well outside of our technological capabilities, but it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me. *Derivation*: For constant acceleration, v = at. Set v = 0.1 * 3e8 m/s and set a = 10 m/s^2. Solve for t.
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Um, yeah... you do realize that the 'U' in UFO stands for Unknown... right?
It stands for unidentified, not unknown.
"The opposite of science is believe. You can believe all you want, but to know something objectively you need science."
This "science" is speculation. The evidence wasn't there to support the hypothesis that it was a natural comet. They worked from the assumption it wasn't artificial and it being a comet despite the lack of a required tail or coma is what they determined was the default. That isn't based on observation or evidence and therefore is not science no matter who says it.
Ancient Sumerians believed their gods were aliens. https://youtu.be/L3ogy-pqvKQ
Modern day Scientologists do too (no surprise there since the religion was created as a get-rich-quick scheme by a Science Fiction author).
One could possibly interpret God as being an "alien" in the Mormon branch of Christianity too- although I don't think Mormons like that analogy.
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lol, thanks for the correction. So, it is still unidentified, is it not?
Sure it can. We just stop emitting CO2 for a while and see if the current trends continue.
No sig today...
To explain the world we have either 1) Science; 2) Solipsism; or 3) Magic. Choose your poison, or some combination of all three. According to my senses and IPU (Information Processing Unit, i.e. brain), hard science has a pretty good track record at explaining the mechanisms of observed phenomena.
One problem is that advocates can pervert the umbrella of science to peddle "advocacy science" or "junk science", where studies based on statistical analysis, improperly used, can yield spurious correlations to support a [social | legal | political | economic | scientific] position. Like the growing sugar revelations, which could be flat out lying for money.
The problem is the world is exactly what you believe it to be, from an internal perspective. Therefore there is nothing pushing back against ignorance if there is no equal and opposite force of critical thinking being applied.
All those probes that we send to planets should be designed with a longer operational life.
Yup, that's actually already the case. How do you think the mars rovers managed to stay so long in operation ?
Engineer plan for the worse, put as wide margin as possible, and try to manage to meet the primary mission even in the case of giant string of unluck and problems.
(Everything redundant, and other such backups - well within the limits of weight of what the launcher can put into orbit up there, of course).
Often, mission gets lucky, there's no catastrophic event happening and the probe turns out to be useful for much longer than initially planned (there are still at least 1 backup/redundant part working even after the end of the primary mission.
When the primary mission is over they start a secondary mission:
That's already the case : as long as it's still miraculously working, keep using it!
See: New Horizon's recent flyby of Ultima Thule, and the pictures of it that the probe will be uploading to Earth over the next couple of years. (Interplanetary bandwidth sucks...)
The existence of that object wasn't even known back when the mission was planned, but once it turned out that New Horizon successfully completed its primary mission (Pluto) and still had enough functional systems to continue, it turned out the contact binary (that was discovered a couple of years ago) was a perfect target that happened to be within reach of the probe.
long term observation which includes special unexpected things like oumouamua
Planning specifically for extra planetary things like 'oumuamua is asinine :
- You can't *plan* for *unexpected* object. See Ultima Thule above, it's wasn't even known until recently. You usually have a more opportunistic approach: given the remaining capability of the probe at the end of its primary mission, what are the possibility that present themselves ? Are there targets that are on the trajectory of the probe (baring some micro correction that could still be achieved with whatever left-over capability is available) ? :
What you're basically asking is aiming a probe 15 years in advance at some empty spot, and hope that 11 years later an unexpected extra solar object will suddenly pop-up and luckily happen to go through said empty spot at the exact right time....
and speaking of time
- Space is extremely vast and mostly empty (on a human scale. Of course on the grand scale of a galaxy we're still a pretty busy sector). You might be launching thousands to hundreds of thousands (*) of probes before another such extra solar visit even happen. ...and the probes that happen to be space borne at the moment might be at the wrong place, which leads to :
- Extra solar objects are weird (simply because they didn't form together with our solar system, by definition) and thus will have completely weird trajectory not even in the same rotational direction and not in the same plan to begin with (See 3d tracing of the path 'oumuamua. It's almost perpendicular to the plan of our solar system).
Also, changing trajectory costs big amount of energy and fuel/mass, which in turn is heavy and would require even more prohibitively powerful rockets to launch. To be launchable with currently existing rocket technology, probes end up limited to only small corrections/burns (and use free gravity assistance as much as possible), they can only change trajectory slightly.
Life isn't like in a video game where space ship can jump hyperspace portals all-over the place.
Thus, there wouldn't be a practical way to ask a probe to veer completely of course and head for a completely different and unusual spot where a recently spotted extra solar object is expected to show up.
With the current state of tech (only relatively short distance at which we can sport interesting targets, limited range of probes, etc.) we can't do much for ob
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Being repeatable is not a requirement for something being 'science', it just happens to be a dead end since no new data will be coming in. But taking a data set and proposing models for fitting it? People working in STEM do that all the time.
Correlation does not logically confirm causation. Which is the basic argument for denying Man Made Global Warming theories.
Science requires the proper application of logic to the observed facts. Man Made Global Warming is but a theory, it's not a proven fact. Unfortunately we simply cannot cease emitting CO2 for a decade, observe the climate, start emitting again and observe the climate and prove the theory. However, at this point, what does it matter?
Seriously, about the best we can hope for is to prepare for what we THINK is coming here. There is zero chance we can stop emitting CO2 any time soon. Best we just start deciding to deal with the theoretical results of global warming. There is no way we can beat it, so we need to be ready to deal with it.
This discussion is very similar to people that look for the star of Bethlehem using computer software. They have certain facts from the bible, and then scour the ancient sky using powerful astronomy software looking for events and things that they think match up with the facts. That's not science, even though it's "backed up by fact", so to speak.
So the star of Bethlehem was basically Oumuamua's launching lasers? Illuminati confirmed!
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But on the other hand, our civilization has only been very visible to other star systems for about 100 years at most - so even if an alien civilization immediately built a probe and sent it in our direction at the speed of light (highly unlikely given what we know of physics, but let's ignore that for now), they must be no more than 50 light-years away for the signal to reach them and their probe to return here. More likely less than 10 light-years, but even that would require that the probe traveled here at around 10% of the speed of light. But since this "probe" was moving so slowly, that would indicate that it must also have decelerated from that speed - but why waste all that energy if you're not going to stick around but just doing a quick flyby?
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Alternatively, perhaps an advanced alien civilization is sending out millions of these things to every star in the galaxy before they detect any signals at all - but for one to show up at this particular moment would imply that these things must be fairly common on a cosmic scale. It seems like an inefficient way to explore the Universe, but who knows.
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It would be really cool if it were an alien probe, but it's just not convincing. None of its anomalous movement requires either unnatural means of propulsion or intelligent control; more likely it's just some type of natural object that we just haven't observed very often yet.
No, he believes in the scientific method.
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People do that, but if their models they are proposing aren't testable, they they aren't science.
I could write a paper demonstrating that that asteroid was not an alien probe, but rather a scout demon from sent from an ancient god to check on us. That theory would have every single bit as much scientific credibility as the one he's proposing.
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Now you donâ(TM)t. Leaving the Solar system on a slingshot trajectory.
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We do not know enough to come to another conclusion.
We don't know enough to come to ANY conclusion.
We can believe of course that it is something else, but that is believe and speculation.
Loeb is not saying we should "believe" anything. He is just saying that we shouldn't rule anything out, and we should lookout for similar objects in the future.
We should keep an open mind until we have more evidence. It is the alien denialists who are insisting on "belief".
Um, yeah... you do realize that the 'U' in UFO stands for Unknown... right?
Flying, I would take issue with since that would involve it using our atmosphere to gain lift...
Unidentified Floating Object works for space. However, this guy is accelerating, so maybe not. If it's not aliens, and is instead just a boring new mode of gaining thrust by boiling off the surface of a comet, then it can always be an Unidentified Flaming Object.
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The new Yorker stayed skeptical the entire time. It was fine to be skeptical some of the time, but he should have teased out all of the "it was created by sentient beings", THEN pivoted to poking holes. Saying "why couldn't this be a rock which was ejected by..."
and, They interrupted each other.
Think about this:
* I saw a large red stain on a roadway from a deer which had been struck. I thought, wow, that's a lot of iron which is going to find its way back into the soil. I remember back to a deer hunt, where a killed deer was hanging head-down from a tree bough, and the fellow about to clean it cut its throat, letting its copious blood drain out, all soaking into the soil, returning the iron, and other elements, to the soil. That iron, and other elements, came from an exploded star.
* Take a look at Ultima Thule: two large objects slowly rotating around their shared center of mass which slowly came together, bumped each other and fused. THAT is the basis of planetary formation - objects rotating and accreting.
* A star blew up billions of years ago, creating heavier elements. You take those elements, gravity packs them together like a snowball, let it spin for a few billion years, and voila, you have deer, plants, lemurs, bacteria, and me looking into a mirror considering myself. Imagine that process leading to matter considering itself.
All this was a natural phenomenon. It may well be unusual - there are more common and less common celestial objects. BUT - as a natural phenomenon, is it so hard to believe it's happened elsewhere in the universe, and on a different timeline?
And a poster noted above - our technology has changed vastly in a 100 years. If our understanding keeps increasing, what will it look like in a thousand or 10,000 years? Granted, we might hit what I call the Smart Labrador Limit: You can identify the smartest dog in the world, but it cannot learn calculus because it is limited by its brain. Our brain is a generalized information processor but still tied to, and designed to increase the survival chances of, a primate body. Like, you pack elements together, let it spin, and voila, life - there's a lot going there. Is the three pound lump of meat sitting on our shoulders capable of understanding of understanding the true nature of the physical reality, or is limited from that, like the smartest Labrador is prevented from understanding calculus?
But then, maybe somehow we create a generalized information processor by brute force which eventually is slightly more adept at problem solving and deduction and making connections than ourselves. Perhaps that creation then could supersede our intelligence and understand what we perhaps could not.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
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Lunar Eclipse this Sunday evening. Is that red shadow light always there, or does it fade in as NatGeo and WashPost show?
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Multiple things that have at first looked "suspiciously artificial" turned out to be natural. The consistent pulsing of pulsars is one of the most common examples. Occam's Razor says Oumuamua is probably natural in ways we didn't anticipate.
However, it was a curious object that did deserve more inspection even if natural, and hopefully if another one buzzes by, we'll be more ready.
Table-ized A.I.
More evidence that slashdot is bad at science reporting.
Or a manhole cover.
Have gnu, will travel.
The opposite of science is believe
Belief, was the word you were looking for.
I know you were joking, but want to mention for the sake of completeness that this would make a rather lunatic argument against science, because the alternatives amount to believing in bullshit. I'd rather believe in science than in bullshit.
Pffffffff thats what you always say Agent Scully. But you and I know that the greys are abducting us , with the knowledge of the smoking man and all his friends so they can create hyb..... wait what are we talking about again?
Oh that. Yeah, just a fucken weird commet.
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For every position, even well established ones, there should be skepticism.
Aliens would be a natural phenomenon and no number of nutballs being attracted to the topic makes them less likely than any other possibility. In fact, the thing to be careful of is avoiding a natural tendency to taint the credibility of the possibility with the credibility of the nuttballs is the thing to watch for here. In some cases an intelligent lifeform popping out from under a desk at NASA mission control and shaking everyone's hand wouldn't be accepted. That goes beyond healthy skepticism.
In this case an artificial origin better fits the data than a comet. It really is that simple. Is it a fact? No. Is it well supported? No. But the data makes it a more likely possibility than a comet. We also have more evidence that life exists than comets by a fair margin though both are obviously well established.
The problem is the world is exactly what you believe it to be, from an internal perspective.
Where on earth did you get this idea from? You can believe whatever you want from an internal perspective, those belief won't allow you to create a car, cell phone, or space rocket unless they are based on a sufficient grasp of the world (aka 'reality'). Heck, you couldn't even use a toaster without having a fairly solid understanding of the world in the first place.
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Of his 6 "odd facts" about the object, at least 4 aren't persuasive at all:
1) They did a paper projecting the estimated population of interstellar ejecta. They assert that 'stumbling' onto this implies a much higher population - how do they conclude that from a sample size of one? Even if the odds of running into such an object are astonishingly low, because they're non-zero the presence of ONE sample means nothing. His conclusions all flow from the assumption that the object was statistically common; I'm not sure that is much of a springboard for all of his other conclusions.
2) it's moving very slowly - essentially we raced past it. He observes that only one in the neighborhood of 500 stars is moving that slowly. (And then opines that this would be 'optimal to camouflage the origin of a probe' and 'it's like a buoy we raced past, could it be part of a communication net work'? Anthropomorphic tinfoil hat, anyone? Of course, again: single sample. It could be BILLIONS of years old, from well outside the local 500 star group, to say nothing of the literally-infinite number of possibilities of caroming around bouncing off crap or (my guess) slowing due to passing through any number of dust/debris clouds.
3) ejecta from planetary systems would likely have high energy vs local rest frame, this was barely moving. See points 1 and 2 above.
4) the inferred geometry from the 10:1 brightness curve variation observed only sustains if you assume its homogeneous or at least its reflectivity is. While not a bad GUESS to suggest it's a tumbling needle-shape, there are also a LOT of other explanations for such variation (to use only my example above, it could be an icy object (high albedo) that's passed through heavy carbon dust clouds (very low albedo to the surface that's facing such clouds). It wouldn't take an oddly proportioned object nor much spin to result in a highly-fluctuating brightness.
5) lock of heating even though it passed close to the sun (inside orbit of mercury)
and
6) slight deviation from the predictable Keplerian gravity-calculated path, comparable to the shift from outgassing (but there's no evidence/suggestion that this happened, and in fact some evidence it DIDN'T happen)
5 & 6 are IMO meaningful. I fully agree with him that we should both a) work on very high speed probes that COULD in fact catch it before it leaves the solar system (by God yes!) and b) look for more high-inclination objects around our large gas giants to see if we can find anything 'caught' by their wells historically (he doesn't mention that chronology is against us here; if they were caught, they would be high-off the ecliptic, wouldn't be very stable, and would likely either impact one of the Jovian moons or ultimately end up in Jupiter itself relatively quickly).
I strongly doubt (though I certainly wish it were true) that this is an artificial object of extra-solar origin. There are too many other more-reasonable explanations. The breathlessness and hand-waving of the SA article are unworthy of an actual science publication.
Then again, the fact that this was published in SA doesn't shock me, it's 'standards' over the last 20 years have dropped to about that of Reddit.
-Styopa
Hmm... Sumerian cylinder seals vs Hubbard's Dianetics
"Tempers are wearing thin. Let's just hope some robot doesn't kill everybody." --Bender
Therefore God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
Mystery Red of the Great American Eclipse
It has blood on it!
ABCNews: Eclipse makes pendulum wander
Lunar Eclipse this Sunday evening. Is that red shadow light always there, or does it fade in as NatGeo and WashPost show?
Nat Geo Eclipse 101
Only those three, huh? Prove it scientifically.
> The opposite of science is believe.
*Facepalm*
The opposite of Belief (Faith) is Gnosis (experiential Knowledge) -- in contradistinction to intellectual knowledge.
The opposite of Science (process of removing falsehood) is Intuition (process of adding truth)
It's very easy to imagine other intelligent life in the universe. What's hard, given our understanding of physics, is imagining a plausible way for them to be involved with us. The easiest way would be to believe that Earth had a prior technically advanced civilization, but that's hard to swallow as well. They would likely have left evidence in the form of artificial stone, if nothing else. Interstellar distances are perhaps not an insurmountable obstacle, but everything we know says that they effectively are.
Contrary claims require evidence. "I can't explain this" doesn't qualify.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Woosh....
Even using tons of anti matter fuel and the acceleration you mentionned, that is still an enormous undertaking from 4 ly , not even counting from where such civ could live much further than 4 ly. Far more likely from energy requirement pov, barring making up magic tech , more likely over such distance such a probe would use solar sail. And now counting what we detected was nowhere near c or a fraction of it, there was no real deceleration or acceleration at such a speed when detected. you can take your own conclusion. As for loeb, the reason he is ignored is because when you see something strange, you go from the highest likely explanation to the lowest likely. Problem us there are many far more likely explanation.
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Lessee, we've been broadcasting radio signals for since 1901. Mid-20th century, we had *LOUD* radio stations - 50kw, and I think I heard of 100kw. So, anyone paying attention, or having automated listeners would have heard us.
There are a lot of stars in that radius. If one (at least) had an interstellar probe, they might have diverted it when they heard us, and decided to check us out.
We've no idea if the thing had an engine, though the "odd acceleration" is awfully suggestive.
If we're going to be concerned, then than local range is my bet on where it came from.
The best case for it not being artificial is still the incredibly vast distances in space between star systems. You cannot physically carry enough fuel, even if you carry a large % of mass as antimatter, to even get to Alpha Cenuri system in a human lifetime. You couldn't explore at all unless you are talking millions of years and even communicating the latency can take tens of thousands of years. Not impossible, but so improbable as to make one want to rule every mundane explanation to at least a five sigma confidence level.
Duh! Has science fiction taught us nothing! Last I checked, we still have at least a few humpbacks so we are safe - for now. If you run into some old Scotsman trying to talk into a computer mouse like it's a microphone then you'll know what the future holds. Just sayin'
These comments are chock full of people snarkily bashing each other, all in the name of science. If there were aliens on that rock, I understand why they kept going.
Tell that to NASA who just did a fly-by of a Kuiper-belt object, without understanding that they can't fly without atmospheric lift.
My God, it's Full of Source!
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"The best case for it not being artificial is still the incredibly vast distances in space between star systems."
That isn't a case for it not being artificial though it might be a case for it not being intentional. You are making a lot of assumptions here, not the least of which is that a civilization producing this thing is still around. This could well be interstellar space junk, after all, we've launched something that may well fall into that category in tens of thousands to millions of years.
"Not impossible, but so improbable as to make one want to rule every mundane explanation"
It is a mundane explanation. There is nothing extraordinary about the idea of other intelligent lifeforms existing outside our own emotional sentiment. Statistically it is highly probable not improbable, especially given the lack of need for them to be at a similar stage of development at the same time as us.
Apparently the probe signaled "all your bases are belong to us" as it passed by.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Anything's better that what we have now, whatever country you're in.
Thing is, his proposal was not 'this is alien', it was working out how much the object would have to weigh in order for light pressure to explain its movement. The 'alien' part of it was seriously hyped up by the press, but within the paper it was just part of a list of possible origins for such a lightweight object.
it's easier than that. The Fermi Paradox works out you don't need even close to the speed of light to colonize the entire Galaxy with probes. All you need is the will and for your civilization to survive until the first few self replicating probes are built. The fact that we haven't seen such probes suggests something prevents civilizations from getting to that stage of development. but it's got nothing to do with the distances between stars.
If possible trajectory- and logistics-wise, either throw together a probe that can reach it and get us more data on the object, or direct an existing probe at it if possible, or since we have several space-based telescopes of very high magnification and resolution, point one of them at the damned thing and get us more data on it. All this hand-waving discussion amounts to click-bait so far as I'm concerned.
"Unidentified Floating Object"
Floating involves buoyancy force in some medium.
Space is "unidentified *falling* object". Unless of course it's aliens, then it's "unidentified falling-not-quite-as-it-should-be object."
Build a wall!!
Loeb is not saying we should "believe" anything. He is just saying that we shouldn't rule anything out, and we should lookout for similar objects in the future.
And that we might want to think about chasing this one down. While it's hauling ass (sorry for the technical term), it's going to be in our relative vicinity for thousands of years or so before it leaves the solar system. So...
Within a few years, the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope (LSST) will become operational and be far more sensitive to the detection of ‘Oumuamua-like objects. It should therefore discover many such objects within its first year of operation. If it does not find any, we will know that ‘Oumuamua was special and that we must chase this guest down the street in order to figure out its origin.
And...
But since it would take ‘Oumuamua thousands of years to leave the solar system entirely, getting a closer look of it through a flyby remains a possibility if we were to develop new technologies for faster space travel within a decade or two.
This is all exciting. His first point was that, if this thing is not really all that special, then there should be a ton of them, and the LSST will be better at detecting them. If that fails to detect any others like it, then maybe it IS special, and maybe we should chase it down for a close-up. We still have time. That's pretty exciting.
I realize a lot of people want all the answers now today, but we don't have them now. We have the possibility of getting them in the future.
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I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
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If you believe in "hard science" then you've already rejected science; you can't believe in science. And people who others would accuse of believing in science would actually have no beliefs at all, if it was true.
Science is actually a formal process, not a belief system.
Also, why are you starting from the assumption that the world has to have an explanation? Maybe there is simply no explanation. It may also be that science doesn't attempt to explain anything, it is just a process that moves forwards regardless of if you understood it or not.
It is the exact same sort of logical error that religionists make when they say, "If you don't believe in my God, you must believe in my Devil!"
It gets even worse if you ask two classical physicists to explain the mechanism behind flight.
There are bunch of different opinions, a bunch of contradictory explanations, and a wide variety of formulas that all predict the same flight behavior, but totally disagree on the processes.
The attempted pedanticisms that fall out are truly hilarious.
"People do that, but if their models they are proposing aren't testable, they they aren't science."
Long been my view as well. Just don't try telling that to the people working to change the social and economic landscape due to climate, regardless of how you feel about the climate to start with. It wouldn't end well.
You can believe all you want, but to know something objectively you need science.
If objective knowledge was even thought to be possible, science would never have been invented.
If you were using the scientific method, you'd never make the assumption that you had objective knowledge.
Why would you intentionally choose a dishonest fantasy if you know you're choosing between fantasies? Why not just choose a fantasy that is good enough that it can admit to being a fantasy?
Scientists don't believe in anything. Feynman talks about this at length in his memoirs; it isn't that they have a different set of beliefs, it is that they're people who are comfortable not knowing. The type of questions that religion asks aren't "wrong," they're just things that don't have clear answers. And scientists are usually people who can accept not knowing, without feeling obligated to believe in specific answers.
If you're stuck on for/against, you already do believe in something, but you might not have any idea what it is or why you believe in it. But it sure as fuck isn't science!
They planted a crop of humans hundreds of thousands of years ago and now we have filled the farm(planet) time for their fall harvest.
You're not falling unless you're the smaller of multiple mass localizations that are near enough to cause relative motion.
The attempted pendanticisms involved in flying through space will never materialize when inspected. It feels to the false pedants like there would be something there, but there isn't; "fly" was never a narrowly defined technical jargon word in the first place. Neither was "falling."
if it is an alien, its quite improbable to be the first one and thus to be "discovering" earth. When you consider the 4.5 billion years of earth history, 540 million since the cambrian explosion and tens of thousands of human life, the propbably is low they would first visit "just right now".
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I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
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I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
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I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
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I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RUNS from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to him https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person man to man, you pussy?... apk
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RUNS from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to him https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
Nature abhors all or nothing, and motion is relative. I fall towards the Earth, and the Earth falls towards me. Newton would say that the Earth falls very slightly towards me. Einstein would say that any frame is equally valid.
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RUNS from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to him https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
Before he's indicted.
What, you thought he was human?
-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RUNS from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to him https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
An interring thing to look at, would be to say - now that it has accelerated, where will it be pointed at when it leaves our solar system?
Also if we see further erratic acceleration as it moves outward, that would seem to indicate it was not related to solar activity on the comet.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If the object is indeed a space probe and the implied aliens come to earth, life will absolutely change regardless if good or bad.
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RUNS from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to him https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
It won't happen for a couple hundred years. Geez! come on...didn't anyone watch Star Trek?
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RUNS from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to him https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
If we point a camera at it and find it's a perfect cylinder with an exhaust at one end and stenciled symbols on the side, that'd be a pretty good verification test that he was right. If we caught up to it, cracked it open, and it's just a bunch of rock, that'd be a pretty good falsification.
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RUNS from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to him https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
Nature presents no examples of "all" or "nothing."
Total nonsense, you've been brainwashed by misleading popular science channels on Youtube. You're only rational if you believe what is most likely to be true, and that is the reason why you should believe in science. Scientists believe a lot of things and they prefer to believe into these things for the right reasons, e.g. they believe that these are true because they are well-confirmed by scientific method and experimentation. You profoundly misunderstanding Mr. Feynman's message, I'm afraid.
Damn it, I hate you for that! It's unfair, I didn't have my afternoon coffee yet when I wrote this reply!
Trump ordered new hair from Amazon Galactica, and that was the delivery vehicle.
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RAN vs. https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
(Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.)
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO fakename DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RAN vs. https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
(Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.)
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO fakename DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
China, the US and Russia aren't taking the bait on climascam so they're rushing for a new narrative for global domination - fake aliens. Project Blue Beam.
I'm glad we agree!
One has to make assumptions, especially so if you want a one paragraph answer. Mostly I was pointing out how physics dosent allow for any type of fast travel, in fact it's so slow the universe will age out and die around you before you even have gone very far.
as for being a piece of space junk we have maybe one million tons of it, our solar system (sans sol) weighs roughly 10^25 tons. Even if you take off planets and moons (which could collide and be reduced to debris at some point) we are talking 0.0000000000000000001% of stuff is artificial. Even an advanced species would likely utilize only a tiny fraction of the mass around them or this would be evident already. So the vast vast vast vast majority are naturally occurring objects. As to mundane, yes aliens aren't super natural, but I don't think indisputable proof intelligent aliens are here now would be buried on page 27 of the newspaper on a Tuesday then forgotten. It would probably rip apart so many world views so quickly as to cause the biggest disruption to human life in the history of ever. Given these fairly rock solid assumptions, its best to rule out the far more likely causes before jumping to ET.
Sure. And if we point a telescope at it and find wings, horns and a pointy tail it would confirm my demi-god demon theory.
My demon theory has very bit as much scientific credibility as any alien theory.
When I saw this thing I thought it looked kind of like a spaghettified comet or asteroid that swung too close to a black hole or neutron star or some other similar dense object. The spaghettification could explain it's odd shape and acceleration, could it not? It could also explain why there was no outgasing, because it was boiled away in the spaghettification process.
Yes, you said it was unknown. Admit you were wrong.
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RAN vs. https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
(Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.)
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO fakename DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RAN vs. https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
(Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.)
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO fakename DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RAN vs. https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
(Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.)
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO fakename DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
Science ONLY concludes that it is extra solar. The second part about it not being artificial is only a suggestion, since we have no clue as to the material. While we are at suggestions, I suggest for all to research the Phobos incident from 1989.
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RAN vs. https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
(Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.)
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO fakename DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
It stands for unidentified
"There is a zero chance we can stop emitting CO2 any time soon."
Let it just be said that the only reason we can't is because of cowardly, disempowered, disempowering, unimaginative, hopeless statements like yours, and the inaction that that engenders.
Technologically, we are 90% there.
Economically, a rapidly increasing carbon fee and dividend is a simple and non-market-tampering measure that can greatly accelerate the transition in the most cost-effective way.
General intelligence / education wise, and political will wise. That's where we're completely f**ked, which is why statements like yours are actively and probably intentionally destructive to the needed energy transition.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
amicusNYCL = chattering do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME TWAT I made EAT HIS WORDS https://slashdot.org/comments.... & RAN vs. https://science.slashdot.org/c... (which I know the CHATTERING little TWAT behind his FAKE NAME can't do a thing vs. as he is a DO-NOTHING punk "ne'er-do-well" TALKER & that's it - that's vs. the garbage he spewed @ me in posts before both...).
I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are.
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
(Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.)
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO fakename DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
Trust and belief are not the same thing.
One favors independent verification, the other abhors it.
Also, there is a name for belief in science - it's called cargo cult science.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
The fact that it kept flying without stopping or changing course means they definitely found memecenter.com and just didn't bother
It was a classic cigar shaped ufo. Took the egg heads at harvard a year and a half to figure it out.
I calculated the energy requirement to have such acceleration, then converted to the BEST theoretical fuel , anti matter / matter. Fusion would still mean even more material to bring with you. Calculation i did using rocketery rukes is to have a 25% light speed then brake roughly shortly before arriving, and fir alpha centauri, was 4 tons anti matter fuel , for a 6 tons payload, with an energy equivalent of about 10^20 joules (10^14 joules per gramm, so 10^6 grams oer tons i looked only at magnitude order - and 10 tons accelerated for 1 g over 1 sec is 10^5 joules - 10000*9.81 rounded - to go to about 100000kms you need to multiply 10^13 so maybe i made an error somewhere). The equivalent fusion would simply gains energy through fusion and lose the same equivalent weight (e mc2). By the way i used only anti matter as a shortgand to show the aburdity as any other fuel is objectively worst.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
I'm not disagreeing with regard to timescales just adding additional assumptions purely for the sake of decreasing probability. If our species dies out tomorrow voyager is then nothing more than space junk that may ultimately end up on a fly-by of a populated planet.
It is more than a little misleading to use weight or mass to calculate the number of objects unless we figure out how to build craft that dwarf stars. Don't you think? You can't simply cross off planets, moons, and stars, you have to cross off everything that doesn't naturally exhibit this acceleration pattern. In other words, we are left with comets and artificial objects even to be counted by your weight metric.
Granted, comets takes the lead but by nowhere near the margin you are asserting. Also artificial origin carries a much higher probability the trajectory isn't accidental even if the civilization that send it is extinct. Granted, at some point playing "what if" is counter-productive but acting with some sort of intent isn't that far out there.
"As to mundane, yes aliens aren't super natural, but I don't think indisputable proof intelligent aliens are here now would be buried on page 27 of the newspaper on a Tuesday then forgotten... its best to rule out the far more likely causes before jumping to ET."
If the most credible observer in the world saw such a thing it would destroy their credibility and not give credibility to the account. If a group witnessed such a thing it would be deemed mass hysteria. Look at your own statement. You are clearly trying to keep an open mind but using the term "ET" which is synonymous with disparaging remarks against crackpots slipped into your statement.
"I wrote where I summarized six strange facts about 'Oumuamua." Fact #5 is that it looks JUST like a Mon Calamari star cruiser.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... calculating the propellant fraction assuming a rocket is composed in fraction of anti mater. Plugging the tan equation to solve m0/m1 is where I got the 10tons / 4tons.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
The real question is are there more on the way, delayed by some years or decades, that can be redirected to smash into Earth if whatever this is reports back and we are not liked?
Given the ease with which memeplexes control vast swaths of humanity with dictatorship, hmmmm...
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
amicusNYCL what did you "tear down"? Come on CHATTERING TWAT, so I can publicly DESTROY a fake name WEEZIL like you.
* Come on TWAT...
(You chickenshit LYING little CUNT - motherfucker, I'd FUCK YOU UP THE ASS if you were in front of me, right after KNOCKING YOU THE FUCK OUT (that's a promise, not a threat, you LITTLE FUCKING TWAT)).
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P.S.=> You little FUCKING twat PUSSY... apk
A little less than the alien theory as wings in space wouldn't help explain it's acceleration, traditionally demi-gods are known to be more "glowy" than shiny, and obviously it would be an ALIEN demi-god as it's current trajectory suggests it might not be from Earth.
But I get where you're coming from. The typical complaint against an unseeable unknowable all-powerful deity that doesn't want to be seen is that it's not falsifiable, and therefore not science... But the question of "is this lump of matter out in space a winged, horned, demi-god?" IS falsifiable. You at least have a valid hypothesis.
The dude had 6 points. But 1 has been explained, there ARE stars it could have come from. It's size, shape, and shininess are unusual. It's acceleration without a coma appears to be the biggest mystery. Perhaps it's simply out-gassing a substance that we can't observe for whatever reason. Like the dude said, we'll have a telescope online within a year that should see more of these things. If it doesn't, this thing is a lot more interesting.
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I tore down every single one of your so-called "achievements" to show that you haven't done but Jack and Shit for the past two decades. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LOL - you've done more, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME puny TWAT? Fuck no, lol - you tore yourself up on THAT alone, weezil loser you are. ... & where did you DO that? Come on TWAT - I will DESTROY YOU, publicly. for THAT lie CUNT you FAKE NAME delusional TWAT!
your Life's Work Magnum Opus is a fucking string sorting program. It's a huge joke. You're a huge joke. - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
Hey TWAT - too bad TONS DISAGREE w/ you (registered /.ers reviews) https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
(Again - you've done MORE, earlier & BETTER you CHATTERING TWAT? Hell no.)
It's absurdly easy to trigger you, which is another reason why you have nothing to show over the past decades, because no one wants to hire or work with you, because you're a fucking nutcase - by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#57977878)
LMAO - you're EZ to trigger by YOU TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOURSELF IN THAT SENTENCE projecting your FAILS onto me & doing your usual: FAILING (& doing ZERO on your part, lol).
Going to FALSELY ACCUSE ME of the BULLSHIT you do trying to 'frame me' TOO you little FUCK? I put your lame ass in its place easily here on that too https://science.slashdot.org/c...
* Come on "amicusNYCL" you FAKE NAME CHATTERING do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" TWAT, say something!
(Hard to make a 'comeback' when YOU are NOTHING but a FUCKING ZERO fakename DO-NOTHING LOSER, isn't it?)
APK
P.S.=> How about you come & MEET ME face-to-face so I can FUCK YOU UP in person, man to man, you pussy?... apk
They have certain facts from the bible, and then scour the ancient sky using powerful astronomy software looking for events and things that they think match up with the facts. That's not science, even though it's "backed up by fact", so to speak.
Of course it is science. What else would it be? Just because you are not interested if such a star/event existed does not make it "no science".
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
But, you do know that "I believe in science" is just a phrase?
And it means: "I'm convinced that science works".
Or don't you know that? Are you a kind of asperger that you don't grasp what people mean when they say things that sound "slightly off" for you?
BTW: I believe in science, too ...
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
I read an article back in the early 60s in which the author graphed man's speed from cave man times to the present (1960 or so). The graph is of course not linear, and the author argued that based on that, FTL travel was inevitable in the next decade or so.
That said, as you suggest, a 200x increase in 200 years does not seem impossible: 1400 miles/ second.
It's not disingenuous at all to use mass to calculate the odds here. Let's not forget that while the artificial satellite percentage is as above, it's diluted by perhaps 11 more orders of magnitude as each star system has similar debris. The sheer number of things you would need to see, given a random homogeneous distribution before you saw something is truly so large the chances are nearly zero of ever seeing one. Even if it's not random, such as with a spacecraft, it's still infinitesimal because of the sheer number of natural objects. So no, rule out everything first, any serious scientist would do that first. I can imagine a case where you could get a significant course correction, such as having a high rate of rotation and the thermal stresses cause a piece to break off. Any credible observer, such as at an observatory, would not only have the instrument data, but many employees work at the same time providing corroboration. Additionally, there are mechanisms to have observations verified in short timeframes, so I'd assume at this unusually slow speed that wouldn't be an issue. The worst that would happen is an equipment check, no one is going to have a carrer ended over presenting the data in raw form. Typically you would ask for options as to what else it could be outside of your guess.
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My demon theory has very bit as much scientific credibility as any alien theory.
Exactly. But I fail to grasp what you want to tell us. Because you fabricated a theory which is "laughable" his theory is laughable, too? Then you fail to grasp how science works. All theories are equal, unless you can disprove one.
And bottom line: who the funk knows if there are gods, demi gods and/or demons out there?
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
The fact that we haven't seen such probes suggests something prevents civilizations from getting to that stage of development.
No it indicates that other civilizations are smart enough not to do it.
Do you really think you would get green light from environmentalists or other greens to send out self replicating robots destroying all life in the galaxy, just that your own puny species can settle everything?
As early as a second civilization would be met by such a robot, and survived: they would try to exterminate the vermine who came to that retarded idea. That is common sense. Or what would YOU do if a self replicating robot is landing on the moon, sends his "life sperms" to earth, and crafts 20 new ships from the moon material leaving a "dying earth" behind? Dying in the sense that our ecology is gone and replaced by a foreign one?
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
First off no one said anything about life killing robots.
Second it assumes all civilizations come to the exact same conclusion (don't make probes). It's a mighty large leap to assume all civilizations are the same.
A CASE..You are still considering the prode TRAVELLED at fraction of light speed. Advanced aliens MAY know more physics than us, and would have opened a stargate momentarily behind jupiter to send the probe thru. Earth people would never have seen it.
No. The opposite of science is FAITH.
The paradoxon is not about making probes, it is about self replicating robots, seeding the galaxy with life coming from the origin.
Obviously they can only spread life to planets that can harbour life. And that implies it already has life. And that implies they exterminate what already is there, or at least change it drastically. Life hit by such an "extraterrestial" life form, would call them invaders and consider them a pest.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Yeah it can be tested because we have dark matter laying around. And the alien probe thing can't be tested because it is impossible to take a closer look at the object and see for sure. You're an idiot.
See subject: It's not MY fault I do this well & you don't https://hardware.slashdot.org/... man...
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...wouldn't you design it so that it stuck around the target system, maybe doing flybys of the planets, instead of sailing straight through?
Also, Oumuamua was going about 1/10,000 of c. Not much faster than Voyager, and Voyager wasn't built for speed. Wouldn't you design an interstellar probe to be faster?
Actually the appendages we identify as "Wings" are mostly used to push off of the Higgs Field, allowing for control and acceleration.
It's not that my theory is "laughable". It's only "laughable" if you don't ascribe to the spaceflying demon demi-gods theories.
The problem with it is that it's untestable so it's not science. Because it's not testable, and his alien probe theory is not testable, neither are science. On top of that, we have a much more simple explanation: it's just an oddly shaped rock. This theory is easier to believe because we've found lots and lots of kinda oddly shaped rocks out there in space. So, while we can't test the theory for sure to confirm it's a rock, the vast quantity of previous data collected suggests that's the most likely answer.
First rule of astronomy: It's never aliens, until it's aliens.
Agree, it was hyped by the press. BUT the guy was happy to ride the hype-wave. He's accepted many interviews about the assertion and has been more than wiling to allow the theory to propagate.
I'm not saying that the "that might have been aliens" theory shouldn't have been published. I'm actually ok with his paper as actually written, and I think most scientists would agree. But it's the follow through that makes him guilty.
It's not science. It's starting with a conclusion and intentionally hunting for supporting evidence for that conclusion.
Here, let's make this more practical. This is the difference Karl Popper identified between the works of Einstein and Freud. Einstein and Freud both made pretty wild and bold scientific theories. The difference was that Einstein's theories were falsifiable. If General Relativity wasn't true, we would know it. We can make astronomical observations that directly confirm or deny his predictions. "If light actually does bend around the sun's gravity, then that star should be visible during this solar eclipse." If that star wasn't visible, then Einstein (regardless of how popular or beautiful the theory might have been) was wrong. Freud made theories that weren't testable. "If your father hadn't hit you that one time, then you wouldn't have shot your wife 20 years later." That's not good science. Freud started with a theory and hunted for evidence to explain his theory, and any counter evidence is irrelevant or an exception that proves the rule. You can always, always find some traumatic event in a person's past, but there is absolutely no way to prove or disprove that that event had any sway over a person's current actions.
and his alien probe theory is not testable,
It is. Perhaps you should finally read the original article about it?
The most simplest test is: fly a probe to it, and look.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
The opposite of science is believe.
No, that's a total falsehood.
Now, there are other definitions in the dictionary for these words, but the lovely thing about words is that they can have multiple meanings which are all valid depending on context. You can have a belief founded in faith, or you can have a belief founded in fact. They're both beliefs. Learn how the dictionary works before you decide to tell us what words mean. Maybe even consult one.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Very bad example, as Freud "If your father hadn't hit you that one time, then you wouldn't have shot your wife 20 years later." never made such bold and stupid statements.
That psychology on the level of Freud and Jung was/is not valid science is obvious. So what do you want to say with that?
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
... If we caught up to it, cracked it open, and it's just a bunch of rock, that'd be a pretty good falsification.
Maybe. Technology developed elsewhere might not be obvious to us. After all, silicon is just manipulated rock. What we've done with it is obvious to us but who knows what it will look like 100 years from now, let alone 1000, 10,000 etc.
Comma was the punctuation mark you weren't looking for.
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I certainly cant...... my wifes cooking .....
I still think that this acceleration is cause by it going towards something we don't know about, perhaps planet X, that is in orbit out there.
It's either on the beat or off the beat, it's that easy.
I moderate therefore I rule!
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You'd like to agree, but no. You didn't agree, you argued with what you claim to agree with, because you didn't understand all the words.
No, I absolutely do not agree that when people say "I believe in science" they really meant, "I believe science `works.'"
When people "I believe in science," they mean, "I believe in science." Whatever they were told that science is, they believe in it.
You were told it "works" for something, and you believe it.
And I know from the specific pejorative that you chose that you're exactly the sort of dunce that wouldn't even comprehend the difference between a process and a result.
Oh, you're one of the modern pleasant, knowledgeable Slashdotters!
Okay, let's go back to your "words".
"You're not falling unless you're the smaller of multiple mass localizations that are near enough to cause relative motion."
Now, you don't even need basic general relativity to know that's wrong. According to Newton's laws, any two objects will exert equal and opposite forces on each other. Since they're in space, according to F=ma, both will move, regardless of relative mass. Both are falling, towards each other. "The apple falls towards the Earth, and the Earth falls towards the apple".
Unless of course you were using your words in some special Aighearach way? Or perhaps you've been playing Kerbal Space Program too long?
You are just an idiot.
There are no people "who believe in science", in the sense of having faith.
https://www.dictionary.com/bro...
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
See subject & BE SPECIFIC on what I "failed" on loser - go for it - I'll ANNIHILATE you point by "so-called 'point'" of yours, easily, lol!
* COME ON BIGMOUTH, go for it - just so I can see you EITHER do a "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" avoiding this FAIR CHALLENGE or so I can CRUSH YOU completely.
APK
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You misunderstand entirely. Still.
Just because you can read about Newton and do the math in the book and get the same answer as was written in the book, that does not in any way imply that you understood the English word "fall."
No, Aighearach is not synonymous with "English." Actually it is Gaelic. Don't get so far ahead of yourself. I don't think you're even ready to go as far as Scots.
You are just an idiot.
There are no people "who believe in science", in the sense of having faith.
https://www.dictionary.com/bro...
Just take out the word "faith," which you're using in a circular fashion to un-define the word "believe."
Assume, as a thought experiment, that my words were impeachable and true. Now that you're refraining from insisting I'm "rong," you can simply ask: What meaning of these words, as would be described in a dictionary, add up to a true claim? OK, there, good job, you did it, you understood what I meant!
If it sounds so untrue that it must have been said by an "idiot," that proves you didn't try to understand it. Understanding involves finding the true meaning in the words. When the meaning of the whole eludes you, it implies only that you didn't choose the correct meaning of the individual words.
My goal is to say true words for people who are capable of comprehending them. Perhaps it would help if I also pointed out that I didn't try to make them accessible; they're targeted solely at people capable of comprehending words used for their literal meaning, even when that meaning was unexpected. You simply aren't expecting a person to have the perspective I explained, because it isn't one of the perspectives being shouted by the various echo chambers, so you presume there must not be meaning. This is why I don't try to be accessible; you might accidentally think you learned something from what I said, and I don't want that to happen unless it is true!
My goal is to say true words for people who are capable of comprehending them.
And that is the goal of everyone who says: "I believe in science", but you refuse to comprehend it and attempt to turn them into religious nutcracks. Good job.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
For example, I'm speaking words about my own understanding and goals; that has a chance to be honest.
You're speaking for others; I know you're not all those people, so I know you're full of shit.
The difference is, you have a belief about what others think, and I don't. Same for science; it is a process not a conclusion, there isn't something to "believe in." Certainly religionists agree that the scientific process exists! Whatever about science you "believe in" that contradicts any other possible beliefs is clearly just mystical bullshit that you're accusing of being science.
If you engage in a process, why would you even talk about "believing in it?" It would never come up unless you were failing to get the results you wanted and were talking about "believing in the process" in a way that is exactly synonymous with saying you have Faith in the process. It might be psychologically useful at times, but it sure as fuck isn't part of the intended process itself!
The difference is, you have a belief about what others think, and I don't.
Yes you have.
You believe that everyone who says "I believe in science" has no clue about science and is a religious nutcrack who replaced his god by a "science god".
The difference is, you have a belief about what others think, and I don't. ... a Lady I know has it too ... and the reason she has no friends is that she always points out a) I have this kind of asperger and b) after a few minutes starts discussing with you about the meaning of words ...
Correct. And hence saying "I believe in science" is a kind of metaphor. If you had an IQ above 80, you would grasp that. But we already figured you are a kind of autist or asperger who only can talk with others when the exact perfect matching word is used for something. No worries, you are not the only one of that kind. There is actually a name for this "kind of asperger"
If you engage in a process, why would you even talk about "believing in it?"
Because it is a perfect phrase describing what is going on, look this all are synonyms:
I believe in X
I'm convinced X is happening
I'm certain about X
I see X is working for me
I see X is working for others
X is a fact
I proved X is true, hence I believe in it.
And before you have another seizure: synonym does not mean all the meanings are the same. The are only sufficient similar and usually you can find a thesaurus that chains one word via many synonyms to its antonym. I have a printed one at home, but don't find one on the internet to give a good example.
Have a nice day ...
Interesting that it does not trouble you to not believe in anything. Your GF must have a hard time convincing you that she is not cheating on you ... how does it come you believe her? Oh, you don't? ... I pity her!
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.