Funnily Swiss naval maps use 1m lower (or was it higher? I forgot) as "agreed zero" for water depths than the rest of Europe. Which is a pain in the ass for Swiss who have to navigate in tidal water. No one knows why they did that. Obviously swiss people mostly use local maps anyway so thy don't have that problem... so much to "defining water depths/height".
But none of the nations that ARE bound by the treaty, such as France and Germany, are reducing their CO2 emissions at all. You are an idiot. All countries are reducing their output significantly. Germany reduced its CO2 output greatly, we are still ahead of the USA. And we do this continuously since a long time, so the effect is much bigger than the puny reduction the USA did in the last 5-10 years. As far as I know the grant nation of USA is in terms of "percentual" reduction at rank 2 or rank 3. BEHIND Germany. And the point is: the USA could have started 20 years earlier, like Germany did, which would have had an GIGANTIC impact.
Not that any of this matters, since the Sun is probably going into a period of slightly reduced output. No it isn't. It is at a minimum since roughly 15 years, unexpectedly long.
And Germany is closing their nuclear power plants, so they also have apparently given up trying to meet their CO2 reduction targets. We produce two times more electric energy with renewables than we ever produced with nuclear power.
There are a few things to consider: you want riots? Or you want to continue the exit from nuclear? As you don't live in Germany: that is not your choice.
The Chinese are building MANY new coal-fired plants, so they will never be able to reduce their CO2 emissions. So, they are not able to shut the plants down later? For what reason? Or electrify road traffic and ban gasoline for private/corporate use, to compensate for coal CO2 with less gasoline CO2? For what reason?
then how do we know they are disappearing From people living there telling us. and not growing or stable like the vast majority^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H a few hand picked of other coral atoll islands Fixed that misconception of yours... well, your typo. Not your misconception.
has no change in land area over the last 60 years [tradingeconomics.com]. Obviously. Do you actually know how much the sea water was rising during the last 60 years? So how the fuck should they have a noticeable as in measurable change in land area?
Data shows that coral-based islands (like the Marshalls) are growing. Eighty percent are either stable or growing. Yes, the islands that have 10m in diameter are growing to 11m... perfect for an area that has 1200 islands and only a few handful of actually inhabitated islands.
And the thing you forget the most: the problem is not area, it is hight. While corrals grow in some areas, they die in others due to many factors, one is heat. We don't know yet if your cherry picked islands will have corrals that will survive. So while an island might get area, its hight does not change. So no idea about what bullshit you are nitpicking.
But forcing everyone to use non-carbon energy isn't disruptive? No it is not. The power comes out of the power plug in your wall... and will always be the case.
when we started to have geography in school, around 6th or 7th grade, one of the first bigger topics was development aid and how the first world fails to help the third and fourth world to develop (That was around 1980/1982). One prime example was that a group of "scientists" and "development helpers" decided that they found a perfect spot to grow peanuts in some remote starving african area. Everything was perfect: altitude, temperature span, average rain fall. The project was a disaster and pinnacle of stupidity, after all most "helpers" worked at the place. Reason: average rain fall per year is meaningless. At that particular place all the rain come in a 2 or 3 days. Some years it did not rain, other years it rained 2 or 3 times as much: in less than a week of time span.
So yes, farmers might adjust. Politicians and societies might make big water planning projects, like the old Khmer empires or like the Netherlands. But: do you really think something like this will ever happen in the US? A politician standing up and proclaiming we need a water and irrigation (and in conjunction power production) grid that spans the whole of the US?
The Netherlands has pumps hundred of years old, still pumping water, driven by wind. But they had an advantage: basically every one grew up seeing decades or century spanning projects being conducted and being successful, be it winning of land, extending Amsterdam into a sea fortress etc. And: they had KINGs that took it as their pillar of life to conduct such projects and traders that realized how important infrastructure is.
There are not many countries in our world that will work hard on infrastructure to mitigate climate change.
Yeah, but not world wide. Far north and far south you still will have tempered regions, question however is what kind of weather (aka storms) you have and what and how much you can grow. Around the equator it mostly will depend on your distance to the sea... at least during the last glacier periods at the equator the temperature was more or less the same as right now. So except inside of Africa, I doubt those areas will get much warmer. However: again the question is changing rain patterns. Phillippines and Indonesia had a drought last year and partly this year and heavy floodings several times this year (I don't remember last year). Thailand is unusually dry to, at least in the north west.
Specifically, the same surface data that showed significant cooling from the 1930s to 1970s and was massaged out of the record. There is nothing massaged our of the records. And the cooling is easy to explain: SOx emissions from powerplants and cars and other transport. Perhaps you remember: we cut that down beginning in the late 1970s,
The main reason why planet is not already "dying to the heat" is: the absurd amount of increase in ship traffic and hence the astonishing amount of SOx we right now blow into the atmosphere.
Whenever someone finds a model that doesn't agree with the current consensus You are an idiot. How many variables does a climate model have? How many constants? There is nothing to tweak.
exactly when such a reliable decree comes down the pike remains open to debate Actually there is no debate, we know this since the 1900s and movements warn about it since the 1970s.
And what happens when your computer/browser/whatever crashes and burns? How do you easily recover if you don't have the bookmarks to the tabs all neatly stored away? On Mac OS the browsers restore all tabs automatically.
Manually opening 100's of tabs would suck big time. Automatic recovering of all tabs is also a pain. After all: they usually get all reloaded and not loaded from the cash.
Why do people have hundreds of open tabs at a time? I honestly can't imagine the use case for this. I open for every search a new window, and then open interesting search results in new tabs. It is quite easy to have more than 100 tabs open that way. I probably have at the moment 15 youtube tabs open...
51 dead is not small in my eyes. And it is only 51 because the administrations reacted immediately and the lettuce in question was identified immediately... not so the chain of "pollution".
The threshold for an infection turning into a disease is much lower if you don't have a primed immune system. Yeah, no comment to your other idioticies... Perhaps you might want to read a little bit of the summary:
have been made ill by E. coli O157:H7, which causes very serious illness because it produces a toxin that destroys cells lining the intestines and kidneys
Part of the reason is that developed countries have more press, all competing for the ad-sponsored audience. Yeah, and that is why they warn you? Which part of The CDC said... did you miss? Since when is the CDC an ad-sponsored agency?
The immune system is not primed against e. coli because e. coli are standard symbionts of the human intestine system. So? Do you grasp this? Regardless how strong your immune system is, you are always prone to get an "e. coli infection" during travels. That severity has strongly gone down over the last 50 years due to increased world travel, though.
So, back to topic, what happens if the 32 patients (or more) lose both their kidneys? Suppose they can not get a transplant (how is the situation in our days in the US with Obama Care and all such? Can an ordinary person receive a transplant?) so they are put on dialysis... How much does that cost per year? According to a quick google $90,000 per patient. Obviously the CDC and the health care insurances like to keep those costs down. Not to talk about the hardship in life such a life long treatment means.
Also they don't have the same kind of news media trying to troll them 24/7. They actually have. There are not many places in the world (outside of the USA, pun intended) that have no or bad internet connections.
A car accident is called an accident because: it is a an accident. If you want to nitpick, yes: some of them could have been avoided 'somehow'. Nevertheless it is kinda if "karma" or "misfortune" or "destiny" to die in an accident.
32 infections by a deadly strand of e. coli: most certainly can be avoided. And on the other hand: not dying in a car accident is super simple: don't be there. Not dying to e. coli is not to simple, it can be in any lettuce or vegetable.
So, we have 32 cases. Agency issues warning. People stop eating the lettuce in question. Nothing happens, no one (or only the 32 die), your conclusion: stupid fear mongers, it was not that dangerous after all!
You are just like the idiots in germany who every year shout: "why do we have stupid storm warnings? Never ever anything is happening than a roof here or there destroyed!" Nevertheless we have always idiots ignoring the warnings because of fore said mantra. And about 10 die every year. And what do the survivours say: "oh! oh! no one told us it was so serious, it looked like a 'standard' warning like EVERY YEAR!" For Funk Sake: if there IS A WARNING it is SERIOUS!
That is why in Thailand the least shelf area is reserved for palm oil, they export everything:D Honestly, most oil here is peanuts, then comes rice oil and a bit of maize, then obviously in the high price range coconut.
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries? Because those drop lots of pig piss and cow dung on the lettuce fields. And unfortunately the IQ of farmers drop with the money they make (or spent on machines) and drop piss and dung on lettuce a week before harvest.
We had the same problem a few years ago in Germany (and other parts of Europe), 20 or 50 died. They put the remains of bio gas production, basically fermented and dried dung on lettuce fields that are already ready to be harvested. Took weeks to figure what kind of lettuce it is, what "company" is distributing it and from which farmers it came and why it was contaminated.
Cannabis has no performance or neurological effect that would increase or decrease performance, reaction times or safety anymore than cigarettes would. Of course it has. Cannabis can have extremely high effects. But as always: it depends on the dose, or dose over time. Most people don't consume enough to have negative effects or drawbacks, but you see enough people in areas where cannabis consumption in public is tolerated that are heavily affected.
People that support the war on drugs and federal blanket bans on them generally have been told these lies their entire life and have no idea that none of this has ever been researched. Research on drugs is a big thing in Switzerland. Many doctors give up their jobs e.g. in Europe to work in Switzerland in research projects or simply in hospitals were treatment with e.g. LSD is allowed.
allow research into the drugs that might prove they are harmless? Consumed with sense, most drugs are close to harmless, like alcohol. However the fact that they are illegal makes same expensive. The fact that they are expensive makes the producers mix them with other things, to thin them out. Not knowing the concentration of the drug in the final mixture makes them unsafe to use, and the stuff mixed in might be dangerous. Once there was a case where a pusher/dealer mixed in rat poison. The fact that they are unsafe and expensive goes on the health of the consumers. Being unhealthy is one of the parts leading to addiction. Addiction is often not caused by the drug itself but the mixed in stuff, e.g. pain killers. And from here the vicious circle of crime to get the money to get the drug starts.
All that would be avoided if you simply could get your cannabis, heroine and cocaine at the next pharmacy, at a reasonable price, taxed like tobacco.
The problem is that people are mixing up drug usage as in consumption with drug abuse.
If someone cares that someone else took MDH during a rave party at the last weekend then the former, not the later has a mental problem. Luckily drug tests are illegal in Europe and can only be done under court order or in military like environments, otherwise our economy would probably break down completely. (I don't even want to look to scandinavia)
I never spoke against a soap box, unless it is empty, that would be a shame, or a ballot box. However the voting system of the US is also so archaic that we outsiders laugh about it, or sometimes feel symphatic with the crowd that regularly gets excluded from voting.
I know a few iPhone users who did. And as long as you only call and use the typical texting apps like WhatsApp and Viber or Line, etc. It hardly matters. I got my iPad stolen and have an android tablet. While it "works" the software integration on it simply does not work as on my iPad, so I hope to find a used iPad 2... somewhere and hopefully soon.
I'm ok with that on the principle that we would all be better off with a greatly shrunken Apple. Well most old german apple breeds get much more tasty after keeping them over the winter in the cellar, they shrink and get wrinkles and intensify their taste.
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Funnily Swiss naval maps use 1m lower (or was it higher? I forgot) as "agreed zero" for water depths than the rest of Europe. Which is a pain in the ass for Swiss who have to navigate in tidal water. No one knows why they did that. Obviously swiss people mostly use local maps anyway so thy don't have that problem ... so much to "defining water depths/height".
But none of the nations that ARE bound by the treaty, such as France and Germany, are reducing their CO2 emissions at all.
You are an idiot. All countries are reducing their output significantly.
Germany reduced its CO2 output greatly, we are still ahead of the USA. And we do this continuously since a long time, so the effect is much bigger than the puny reduction the USA did in the last 5-10 years. As far as I know the grant nation of USA is in terms of "percentual" reduction at rank 2 or rank 3. BEHIND Germany. And the point is: the USA could have started 20 years earlier, like Germany did, which would have had an GIGANTIC impact.
Not that any of this matters, since the Sun is probably going into a period of slightly reduced output.
No it isn't. It is at a minimum since roughly 15 years, unexpectedly long.
And Germany is closing their nuclear power plants, so they also have apparently given up trying to meet their CO2 reduction targets. We produce two times more electric energy with renewables than we ever produced with nuclear power.
There are a few things to consider: you want riots? Or you want to continue the exit from nuclear? As you don't live in Germany: that is not your choice.
The Chinese are building MANY new coal-fired plants, so they will never be able to reduce their CO2 emissions. So, they are not able to shut the plants down later? For what reason? Or electrify road traffic and ban gasoline for private/corporate use, to compensate for coal CO2 with less gasoline CO2? For what reason?
then how do we know they are disappearing From people living there telling us. ... well, your typo. Not your misconception.
and not growing or stable like the vast majority^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H a few hand picked of other coral atoll islands Fixed that misconception of yours
has no change in land area over the last 60 years [tradingeconomics.com].
Obviously. Do you actually know how much the sea water was rising during the last 60 years?
So how the fuck should they have a noticeable as in measurable change in land area?
Data shows that coral-based islands (like the Marshalls) are growing. Eighty percent are either stable or growing. ... perfect for an area that has 1200 islands and only a few handful of actually inhabitated islands.
Yes, the islands that have 10m in diameter are growing to 11m
And the thing you forget the most: the problem is not area, it is hight. While corrals grow in some areas, they die in others due to many factors, one is heat. We don't know yet if your cherry picked islands will have corrals that will survive. So while an island might get area, its hight does not change. So no idea about what bullshit you are nitpicking.
But forcing everyone to use non-carbon energy isn't disruptive? ... and will always be the case.
No it is not. The power comes out of the power plug in your wall
Well,
when we started to have geography in school, around 6th or 7th grade, one of the first bigger topics was development aid and how the first world fails to help the third and fourth world to develop (That was around 1980/1982). One prime example was that a group of "scientists" and "development helpers" decided that they found a perfect spot to grow peanuts in some remote starving african area. Everything was perfect: altitude, temperature span, average rain fall. The project was a disaster and pinnacle of stupidity, after all most "helpers" worked at the place. Reason: average rain fall per year is meaningless. At that particular place all the rain come in a 2 or 3 days. Some years it did not rain, other years it rained 2 or 3 times as much: in less than a week of time span.
So yes, farmers might adjust. Politicians and societies might make big water planning projects, like the old Khmer empires or like the Netherlands. But: do you really think something like this will ever happen in the US? A politician standing up and proclaiming we need a water and irrigation (and in conjunction power production) grid that spans the whole of the US?
The Netherlands has pumps hundred of years old, still pumping water, driven by wind. But they had an advantage: basically every one grew up seeing decades or century spanning projects being conducted and being successful, be it winning of land, extending Amsterdam into a sea fortress etc. And: they had KINGs that took it as their pillar of life to conduct such projects and traders that realized how important infrastructure is.
There are not many countries in our world that will work hard on infrastructure to mitigate climate change.
Yeah, but not world wide. ... at least during the last glacier periods at the equator the temperature was more or less the same as right now. So except inside of Africa, I doubt those areas will get much warmer. However: again the question is changing rain patterns. Phillippines and Indonesia had a drought last year and partly this year and heavy floodings several times this year (I don't remember last year). Thailand is unusually dry to, at least in the north west.
Far north and far south you still will have tempered regions, question however is what kind of weather (aka storms) you have and what and how much you can grow.
Around the equator it mostly will depend on your distance to the sea
Specifically, the same surface data that showed significant cooling from the 1930s to 1970s and was massaged out of the record.
There is nothing massaged our of the records. And the cooling is easy to explain: SOx emissions from powerplants and cars and other transport. Perhaps you remember: we cut that down beginning in the late 1970s,
The main reason why planet is not already "dying to the heat" is: the absurd amount of increase in ship traffic and hence the astonishing amount of SOx we right now blow into the atmosphere.
Whenever someone finds a model that doesn't agree with the current consensus
You are an idiot. How many variables does a climate model have? How many constants? There is nothing to tweak.
Here, two simple equations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... follow the references if you want to learn more.
And here a bit background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Weather cycles show we should be in a cooling period but instead we are warming, so no that's not it.
About what weather cycles are you talking?
exactly when such a reliable decree comes down the pike remains open to debate
Actually there is no debate, we know this since the 1900s and movements warn about it since the 1970s.
My system is not running slow.
About 20% CPU usage, 2770 threads, 271 processes.
Probably 200 of them are browser tabs.
And what happens when your computer/browser/whatever crashes and burns? How do you easily recover if you don't have the bookmarks to the tabs all neatly stored away?
On Mac OS the browsers restore all tabs automatically.
Manually opening 100's of tabs would suck big time.
Automatic recovering of all tabs is also a pain. After all: they usually get all reloaded and not loaded from the cash.
Why do people have hundreds of open tabs at a time? I honestly can't imagine the use case for this. ...
I open for every search a new window, and then open interesting search results in new tabs. It is quite easy to have more than 100 tabs open that way. I probably have at the moment 15 youtube tabs open
Same as in pre WWII Germany, where Ford sold trucks and IBM Holerite machines.
51 dead is not small in my eyes. ... not so the chain of "pollution".
And it is only 51 because the administrations reacted immediately and the lettuce in question was identified immediately
The threshold for an infection turning into a disease is much lower if you don't have a primed immune system. ...
Yeah, no comment to your other idioticies
Perhaps you might want to read a little bit of the summary:
have been made ill by E. coli O157:H7, which causes very serious illness because it produces a toxin that destroys cells lining the intestines and kidneys
Part of the reason is that developed countries have more press, all competing for the ad-sponsored audience. ... did you miss? Since when is the CDC an ad-sponsored agency?
Yeah, and that is why they warn you? Which part of The CDC said
The immune system is not primed against e. coli because e. coli are standard symbionts of the human intestine system. So? Do you grasp this? Regardless how strong your immune system is, you are always prone to get an "e. coli infection" during travels. That severity has strongly gone down over the last 50 years due to increased world travel, though.
So, back to topic, what happens if the 32 patients (or more) lose both their kidneys? Suppose they can not get a transplant (how is the situation in our days in the US with Obama Care and all such? Can an ordinary person receive a transplant?) so they are put on dialysis ... How much does that cost per year? According to a quick google $90,000 per patient. Obviously the CDC and the health care insurances like to keep those costs down. Not to talk about the hardship in life such a life long treatment means.
Also they don't have the same kind of news media trying to troll them 24/7.
They actually have. There are not many places in the world (outside of the USA, pun intended) that have no or bad internet connections.
A car accident is called an accident because: it is a an accident.
If you want to nitpick, yes: some of them could have been avoided 'somehow'. Nevertheless it is kinda if "karma" or "misfortune" or "destiny" to die in an accident.
32 infections by a deadly strand of e. coli: most certainly can be avoided. And on the other hand: not dying in a car accident is super simple: don't be there. Not dying to e. coli is not to simple, it can be in any lettuce or vegetable.
So, we have 32 cases. Agency issues warning. People stop eating the lettuce in question. Nothing happens, no one (or only the 32 die), your conclusion: stupid fear mongers, it was not that dangerous after all!
You are just like the idiots in germany who every year shout: "why do we have stupid storm warnings? Never ever anything is happening than a roof here or there destroyed!" Nevertheless we have always idiots ignoring the warnings because of fore said mantra. And about 10 die every year. And what do the survivours say: "oh! oh! no one told us it was so serious, it looked like a 'standard' warning like EVERY YEAR!" For Funk Sake: if there IS A WARNING it is SERIOUS!
That is why in Thailand the least shelf area is reserved for palm oil, they export everything :D
Honestly, most oil here is peanuts, then comes rice oil and a bit of maize, then obviously in the high price range coconut.
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries?
Because those drop lots of pig piss and cow dung on the lettuce fields. And unfortunately the IQ of farmers drop with the money they make (or spent on machines) and drop piss and dung on lettuce a week before harvest.
We had the same problem a few years ago in Germany (and other parts of Europe), 20 or 50 died. They put the remains of bio gas production, basically fermented and dried dung on lettuce fields that are already ready to be harvested. Took weeks to figure what kind of lettuce it is, what "company" is distributing it and from which farmers it came and why it was contaminated.
Cannabis has no performance or neurological effect that would increase or decrease performance, reaction times or safety anymore than cigarettes would.
Of course it has. Cannabis can have extremely high effects. But as always: it depends on the dose, or dose over time. Most people don't consume enough to have negative effects or drawbacks, but you see enough people in areas where cannabis consumption in public is tolerated that are heavily affected.
People that support the war on drugs and federal blanket bans on them generally have been told these lies their entire life and have no idea that none of this has ever been researched.
Research on drugs is a big thing in Switzerland. Many doctors give up their jobs e.g. in Europe to work in Switzerland in research projects or simply in hospitals were treatment with e.g. LSD is allowed.
allow research into the drugs that might prove they are harmless? Consumed with sense, most drugs are close to harmless, like alcohol. However the fact that they are illegal makes same expensive. The fact that they are expensive makes the producers mix them with other things, to thin them out. Not knowing the concentration of the drug in the final mixture makes them unsafe to use, and the stuff mixed in might be dangerous. Once there was a case where a pusher/dealer mixed in rat poison. The fact that they are unsafe and expensive goes on the health of the consumers. Being unhealthy is one of the parts leading to addiction. Addiction is often not caused by the drug itself but the mixed in stuff, e.g. pain killers. And from here the vicious circle of crime to get the money to get the drug starts.
All that would be avoided if you simply could get your cannabis, heroine and cocaine at the next pharmacy, at a reasonable price, taxed like tobacco.
The problem is that people are mixing up drug usage as in consumption with drug abuse.
If someone cares that someone else took MDH during a rave party at the last weekend then the former, not the later has a mental problem. Luckily drug tests are illegal in Europe and can only be done under court order or in military like environments, otherwise our economy would probably break down completely. (I don't even want to look to scandinavia)
I never spoke against a soap box, unless it is empty, that would be a shame, or a ballot box.
However the voting system of the US is also so archaic that we outsiders laugh about it, or sometimes feel symphatic with the crowd that regularly gets excluded from voting.
I know a few iPhone users who did. ... somewhere and hopefully soon.
And as long as you only call and use the typical texting apps like WhatsApp and Viber or Line, etc. It hardly matters. I got my iPad stolen and have an android tablet. While it "works" the software integration on it simply does not work as on my iPad, so I hope to find a used iPad 2
I'm ok with that on the principle that we would all be better off with a greatly shrunken Apple.
Well most old german apple breeds get much more tasty after keeping them over the winter in the cellar, they shrink and get wrinkles and intensify their taste.