man, where is my +1 awesome....;) Need we remind people of how many movies are made about our jobs...hackers, sneakers, swordfish, several TV channels, Entire clothing lines, not to mention the gadgets we were ridiculed for carrying around 10-20 years ago are the fashion accessories of today. Ya, we are not cool...
I am still a newbie at brewing...but the beers I have turned out from kits have been spectacular, I am just getting a feeling for temps, and the processes before I try my own recipes, I have a couple good books I have been reading through.
Precisely, I cant tell you how many times over the years in the IT profession I have had to fix these guys who are really good at memorizing. They dont THINK about what they do, they just do it because they always have or someone told them that is just the way it is.
"However, I spend a good deal of every day helping people that may be not as quick or sharp as me in many ways, but that is my job."
I agree, as a net admin, this is how I feel towards most dev's;) I kid!
But seriously, I have a BS in CS and if I cannot figure out what your code is doing by the comments and code then you are doing something horribly wrong. I can read most code, even if I have never used it before, without comments. Bu your comments should allow me, if you die, go insane, or get fired. To make simple changes and hire someone who can pick up where you left off. Being able to replace you is worth much more to me than Sheer Genius is.
Well I dont think rote memorization is the solution or a measurement. Rather the ability to think and reason. So a better street question would be to ask someone to prove to you that the sky is blue, or that gravity exists. They would have to demonstrate a basic knowledge of the scientific method and reason. I could care less if someone could explain to me the cell theory, or the laws of thermodynamics. Now if they know how to either reason them out or research them, THAT is what we need to see more of. Rote memorization is what gets us into messes, rationality, objectivity, and a level head are what solves them. Look at all your classmates or ex classmates who could ace any test but I'd be dammed if they could figure out a Rubik's cube or derive an equation.
And good lord, almost no one can identify the next hop for their router, or what their public ip is...the public is such a group of morons....
but seriously, who cares what percentage of the earth is covered by water? Everyone has some area they know a lot about and can answer questions ad-hoc about it that you could care less about but is very important to them. Sure you can identify things like the percentage of earth covered by water, but how many can cook a meal without using a recipe or box. Or a more important question, how many can say off the top of their head the optimal fermenting temperature for a lager?
Really? so as a christian I can't enjoy music from other religions? I should just Chuckle to myself and move on? Man I would have to remove a lot of music from my favorites. No I am pretty sure I picked the right word with vendetta. People choose to reject Christianity then move against anything tied to it. I think it is entertaining to watch people be all about "Religion is a farce and I am over it" then reject everything that has the word Christ in it. If it didn't matter, then why do you care so much?
I agree, heck on my desk right now I have a couple jewel cases:
Rusted Root - When I woke
Coldplay x&y
The Departed soundtrack
Josh Groban - Closer
WOW Hits 2009
Kutless
Thousand Foot Krutch
Seventh Day Slumber
Inches away in a binder are bands such as old school blink182, Metallica S&M, old school sugar ray, STP, Classical music, smashing pumpkins and the like...my pandora consists of bluegrass, bloodhound Gang, and Contemp Christian. So I have a wide taste, I'm not much for death metal or any of that new age death of Hip hop crap. But Contemp Christian puts out some great stuff. If you like metal Check out 'family force 5'. Chances are if you don't like christian music, it is because you have a personal vendetta against anything christian, and well, I wont argue with bigots so you would be on your own.
Might I ask for some sources? One thing you would want to check is the contract. I am still pulling things out of my memory here but I think in the original contract there was a clause that stated the show must have an arc, there has to be a conclusion they are working towards. One of the things I like about Lost is that it is a well crafted arc, you can watch it happen when something random occurs in season 1 or two, becomes explained in season 4 or 5, and it cant be incidental as it is integral to the storyline that so and so did this or that early on, or the story wouldn't be where it is today.
I'm not a huge JJ fan, I do like the majority of his stuff but cloverfield was no good, and fringe is just flat out cheezy, more along the lines that you think Lost is. However, to each their own, if Lost doesn't reach you on an entertaining level then oh well, there are lots of shows to choose from. But, even if lost were the crappiest show written and all your allegations are true, then that means JJ is some kind of psychological genius in that he is able to get so many people to watch it.
Not to sound like a fanboy here but if nothing has happened then you aren't paying attention. The show is designed to be subtle I will admit, in season 3 it did get a bit dry but that was about the time they were playing around with the number of episodes until the end of the show, so I think for about 5 episodes they were dilly dallying to buy time.
However, rarely do I watch a show that packs so much into one episode as lost does...the problem is...they just don't conclude anything like the CSI lovers out there want. Outside of 24 there isn't another show like it, even 24 is short by comparison, most other shows wrap things up each episode. The closest thing I can think of is anime. We are in season 5 now and we are finally getting closure on a lot of stuff. But the show isn't for everyone, plenty of people dont like it and I respect that. I despise Survivor but I know better than to say it in an open crowd;)
amen, but don't you know that environmentalists these days seem more interested in empathetic selection than natural selection, eg survival of what I love most, not survival of the fittest. All they are doing is keeping the inevitable away, if the weak frogs are not killed off then what happens when we are not around to save them next time?
I nearly punched* him for it - it's like saying that someone is very well spoken for a black person.
Thanks for the good early morning laugh, almost had to clean coffee off of my keyboard.
I am pretty heavily involved in the church (LCMS), and I have found most people live according to their own moral code within the church. Not because they are malicious or anything but rather because the average churchgoer has failed to read their scripture or practice their faith. Atheists, as opposed to Agnostics, on average have at least spent some time rationalizing their faith. Many Christians cant say that about their faith. LCMS is probably the best sector of Christianity when it comes to education and rationality. Ever want some good reads check out the Book of Concord and Christian Dogmatic...both Lutheran works, a good history of why things are the way they are after the reformation. Dry but really good for a person who loves to research religion.
Just curious, were your parents Ex-Catholics? I have found that many agnosics and people I have met who are apathetic about Christianity have been ones who grew up in the Catholic church. Would be curious to know if this is true in your case.
I think you may be reading pascal's wager wrong, or taking a side I have not noted. Pascal's Wager in essence says that since God cannot be rationalized, you should act as though He exists as you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. In the case of Christianity you don't have to DO anything, heck you dont even have to live a moral life. But you do have to trust that God will accept you warts and all. Open rejection is really the only way that you can lose eternity, no matter what the Catholics preach.
However this puts me in a pickle, because if it turns out Islam is correct, I am screwed, but not too horribly;)
Good talking, I dont get many good debates from the other side of the coin, too many people tie up their emotions in the fray. There is good discussion to be had if you dont make it personal. I wish colleges still did open debates between profs like they used to on matters like this.
I said the problem was that the agnostic scientists were switching to atheism, then augmented the statement my stating that it was scientists who were not agnostic that had an agenda. Any Faith based scientist would have a hard time separating their assumptions from fact.
Sorry I forgot to mention that I also favor as atheist in the strict sense. You are agnostic if you believe that it is possible there is a God, when they change the definition in the major dictionaries, I will change mine as well. Even 'functional athiests':)
Also, I am of the mind that pretty much everything requires some level of faith since we are incapable of omniscience.
I usually assume positive atheism, however I would say Atheists are acting on faith due to Pascal's Wager. Don't get me wrong I am not one of the individuals that believes atheists are a bunch of idiots up to malicious shenanigans because they cant stand to live under moral law. Rather I have found they are usually individuals that have found a reason to hate religion, usually Christianity. The atheists I know are good moral individuals, intelligent, however they mistrust Christianity. Reasons vary but that has been my experience. But it is my belief that rationally, atheism has less evidence than most of the major faiths. Since everything has an eternal consequence and Atheism requires an assumption that there is no God without proof, it therefore doesn't just require faith, but a lot of it.
Outside of a theology degree, a CS degree, leading several bible studies, married to a woman with her MS in Genetics, about to get her PharmD, 3 of my closest friends are MDiv.... I know nothing of science and theology. What I do know is that in science you should start agnostic to get a good feel for the experiment. If you hypothesize and expect certain results that is one thing, but to say "I WILL get these results" is an entirely different scenario. Just because you are an academic in religious studies in no way makes you right or an expert, nor does a theology degree make me an expert. I personally favor Christianity, so does my wife. When doing scientific experiments she set aside her religious beliefs and accepted what happened rather than what priests/pastors tell her should happen. Oddly enough, for her the two never conflicted. Unfortunately for atheists, if all the evidence points to a set of aliens being our God or that we live in a space time bubble created by His noodliness then they will refuse and try different experiments, or they would not be atheists because they are willing to accept the idea that there is a god. There is NO WAY logically in any philosophical debate that you can disprove or prove God, it is impossible, therefore atheism is just as much a religion and based on faith as any deity based belief.
How is stating that someone with an agenda has an agenda a sweeping generalization? If I believe there is a God then my view is skewed that direction, if I say there isn't a god then my view is skewed in that direction. If I am agnostic then I dont care either way.
Its not my problem if the elitist atheists think they are better scientists because of their skewed view --(THAT is a sweeping generalization).
"so if scientists have to spend part of their time pointing out how stupid this or that made-up religious stricture is, I'll back their play."
Problem is, most scientists know as much about theology as many religious fanatics know about science so they just spin their wheels wasting everyone's time making points that are just as dumb as saying evolution is a farce.
Yes I wholeheartedly agree. Print that baby off and when asked for references attach that e-mail to the list. I would be dualy impressed with your thoroughness and the fact that you actually worked for the asshats for 7 years. I'd hire ya right away for being extraordinarily tolerant.
Problem is, many scientists stopped being Agnostic and converted to Athiesm, which inherently skews their view. Be wary of the non-agnostic scientist, they have an agenda.
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man, where is my +1 awesome.... ;) Need we remind people of how many movies are made about our jobs...hackers, sneakers, swordfish, several TV channels, Entire clothing lines, not to mention the gadgets we were ridiculed for carrying around 10-20 years ago are the fashion accessories of today. Ya, we are not cool...
I am still a newbie at brewing...but the beers I have turned out from kits have been spectacular, I am just getting a feeling for temps, and the processes before I try my own recipes, I have a couple good books I have been reading through.
Precisely, I cant tell you how many times over the years in the IT profession I have had to fix these guys who are really good at memorizing. They dont THINK about what they do, they just do it because they always have or someone told them that is just the way it is.
I agree, as a net admin, this is how I feel towards most dev's ;) I kid!
But seriously, I have a BS in CS and if I cannot figure out what your code is doing by the comments and code then you are doing something horribly wrong. I can read most code, even if I have never used it before, without comments. Bu your comments should allow me, if you die, go insane, or get fired. To make simple changes and hire someone who can pick up where you left off. Being able to replace you is worth much more to me than Sheer Genius is.
I aim for high 60s...almost 70 for my Dunkleweizens. But I knew I would find a fellow brewer around here somewhere.
Well I dont think rote memorization is the solution or a measurement. Rather the ability to think and reason. So a better street question would be to ask someone to prove to you that the sky is blue, or that gravity exists. They would have to demonstrate a basic knowledge of the scientific method and reason. I could care less if someone could explain to me the cell theory, or the laws of thermodynamics. Now if they know how to either reason them out or research them, THAT is what we need to see more of. Rote memorization is what gets us into messes, rationality, objectivity, and a level head are what solves them. Look at all your classmates or ex classmates who could ace any test but I'd be dammed if they could figure out a Rubik's cube or derive an equation.
but seriously, who cares what percentage of the earth is covered by water? Everyone has some area they know a lot about and can answer questions ad-hoc about it that you could care less about but is very important to them. Sure you can identify things like the percentage of earth covered by water, but how many can cook a meal without using a recipe or box. Or a more important question, how many can say off the top of their head the optimal fermenting temperature for a lager?
Ya I agree there, I can't listen to contemp christian radio....drives me crazy. There is a lot of great music out there they just don't play it.
Really? so as a christian I can't enjoy music from other religions? I should just Chuckle to myself and move on? Man I would have to remove a lot of music from my favorites. No I am pretty sure I picked the right word with vendetta. People choose to reject Christianity then move against anything tied to it. I think it is entertaining to watch people be all about "Religion is a farce and I am over it" then reject everything that has the word Christ in it. If it didn't matter, then why do you care so much?
Rusted Root - When I woke
Coldplay x&y
The Departed soundtrack
Josh Groban - Closer
WOW Hits 2009
Kutless
Thousand Foot Krutch
Seventh Day Slumber
Inches away in a binder are bands such as old school blink182, Metallica S&M, old school sugar ray, STP, Classical music, smashing pumpkins and the like...my pandora consists of bluegrass, bloodhound Gang, and Contemp Christian. So I have a wide taste, I'm not much for death metal or any of that new age death of Hip hop crap. But Contemp Christian puts out some great stuff. If you like metal Check out 'family force 5'. Chances are if you don't like christian music, it is because you have a personal vendetta against anything christian, and well, I wont argue with bigots so you would be on your own.
I beg to differ, I admire Clinton, Stevie and all the classics anytime, scotch or no...preferably scotch...old enough to order its own scotch.
I'm not a huge JJ fan, I do like the majority of his stuff but cloverfield was no good, and fringe is just flat out cheezy, more along the lines that you think Lost is. However, to each their own, if Lost doesn't reach you on an entertaining level then oh well, there are lots of shows to choose from. But, even if lost were the crappiest show written and all your allegations are true, then that means JJ is some kind of psychological genius in that he is able to get so many people to watch it.
However, rarely do I watch a show that packs so much into one episode as lost does...the problem is...they just don't conclude anything like the CSI lovers out there want. Outside of 24 there isn't another show like it, even 24 is short by comparison, most other shows wrap things up each episode. The closest thing I can think of is anime. We are in season 5 now and we are finally getting closure on a lot of stuff. But the show isn't for everyone, plenty of people dont like it and I respect that. I despise Survivor but I know better than to say it in an open crowd ;)
If I remember correctly Lost was originally intended for 5 seasons, so extending it 1 season really doesnt do that much to it...now alias however...
amen, but don't you know that environmentalists these days seem more interested in empathetic selection than natural selection, eg survival of what I love most, not survival of the fittest. All they are doing is keeping the inevitable away, if the weak frogs are not killed off then what happens when we are not around to save them next time?
I nearly punched* him for it - it's like saying that someone is very well spoken for a black person.
Thanks for the good early morning laugh, almost had to clean coffee off of my keyboard.
I am pretty heavily involved in the church (LCMS), and I have found most people live according to their own moral code within the church. Not because they are malicious or anything but rather because the average churchgoer has failed to read their scripture or practice their faith. Atheists, as opposed to Agnostics, on average have at least spent some time rationalizing their faith. Many Christians cant say that about their faith. LCMS is probably the best sector of Christianity when it comes to education and rationality. Ever want some good reads check out the Book of Concord and Christian Dogmatic...both Lutheran works, a good history of why things are the way they are after the reformation. Dry but really good for a person who loves to research religion.
Just curious, were your parents Ex-Catholics? I have found that many agnosics and people I have met who are apathetic about Christianity have been ones who grew up in the Catholic church. Would be curious to know if this is true in your case.
I think you may be reading pascal's wager wrong, or taking a side I have not noted. Pascal's Wager in essence says that since God cannot be rationalized, you should act as though He exists as you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. In the case of Christianity you don't have to DO anything, heck you dont even have to live a moral life. But you do have to trust that God will accept you warts and all. Open rejection is really the only way that you can lose eternity, no matter what the Catholics preach.
However this puts me in a pickle, because if it turns out Islam is correct, I am screwed, but not too horribly ;)
Good talking, I dont get many good debates from the other side of the coin, too many people tie up their emotions in the fray. There is good discussion to be had if you dont make it personal. I wish colleges still did open debates between profs like they used to on matters like this.
I said the problem was that the agnostic scientists were switching to atheism, then augmented the statement my stating that it was scientists who were not agnostic that had an agenda. Any Faith based scientist would have a hard time separating their assumptions from fact.
Also, I am of the mind that pretty much everything requires some level of faith since we are incapable of omniscience.
I usually assume positive atheism, however I would say Atheists are acting on faith due to Pascal's Wager. Don't get me wrong I am not one of the individuals that believes atheists are a bunch of idiots up to malicious shenanigans because they cant stand to live under moral law. Rather I have found they are usually individuals that have found a reason to hate religion, usually Christianity. The atheists I know are good moral individuals, intelligent, however they mistrust Christianity. Reasons vary but that has been my experience. But it is my belief that rationally, atheism has less evidence than most of the major faiths. Since everything has an eternal consequence and Atheism requires an assumption that there is no God without proof, it therefore doesn't just require faith, but a lot of it.
Outside of a theology degree, a CS degree, leading several bible studies, married to a woman with her MS in Genetics, about to get her PharmD, 3 of my closest friends are MDiv.... I know nothing of science and theology. What I do know is that in science you should start agnostic to get a good feel for the experiment. If you hypothesize and expect certain results that is one thing, but to say "I WILL get these results" is an entirely different scenario. Just because you are an academic in religious studies in no way makes you right or an expert, nor does a theology degree make me an expert. I personally favor Christianity, so does my wife. When doing scientific experiments she set aside her religious beliefs and accepted what happened rather than what priests/pastors tell her should happen. Oddly enough, for her the two never conflicted. Unfortunately for atheists, if all the evidence points to a set of aliens being our God or that we live in a space time bubble created by His noodliness then they will refuse and try different experiments, or they would not be atheists because they are willing to accept the idea that there is a god. There is NO WAY logically in any philosophical debate that you can disprove or prove God, it is impossible, therefore atheism is just as much a religion and based on faith as any deity based belief.
Its not my problem if the elitist atheists think they are better scientists because of their skewed view --(THAT is a sweeping generalization).
Problem is, most scientists know as much about theology as many religious fanatics know about science so they just spin their wheels wasting everyone's time making points that are just as dumb as saying evolution is a farce.
Yes I wholeheartedly agree. Print that baby off and when asked for references attach that e-mail to the list. I would be dualy impressed with your thoroughness and the fact that you actually worked for the asshats for 7 years. I'd hire ya right away for being extraordinarily tolerant.
Problem is, many scientists stopped being Agnostic and converted to Athiesm, which inherently skews their view. Be wary of the non-agnostic scientist, they have an agenda.
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/peter-on-family.html