I am not sure how a lot of things work in neural circuitry but regardless I just call it passion:)
A Midwest college, She is technically titled "Biology Instructor" As she only has a Masters in Plant breeding/Genetics. She has been teaching for almost 5 years. Various classes, mostly intro biology and Genetics. She did her Grad work at UNL.
She would be the first person to tell you she is not a creative person, but it is rare for me to find someone who works so hard at going above and beyond the call of duty to teach.
Ultimately, I have worked with people in the industry who clearly have no clue what they're doing, no greater vision, and ultimately are just good for following directions.
Ya I have worked with these people as well, I call them boss:)
I love working for people and with people who have passion for what the do. Maybe that is more of what made these friends of mine such great programmers, they had a passion for it, perhaps passion can be expressed through music and therein lies the tie.
My wife is a very intelligent person and a college prof, we both have talked about how you have intelligent people, then you have intelligent people who are also creative with that knowledge, and those are the people who make a difference.
I always say coding as something creative, that you just kind of do, doesn't matter the language, but some of us prefer one language over another. But I know little of that stuff, just observations of students and colleagues.
Should read:I always saw coding as something creative, that you just kind of do, doesn't matter the language, but some of us prefer one language over another. But I know little of that stuff, just observations of students and colleagues.
Ive always thought that maybe they used similar parts of the brain. I always say coding as something creative, that you just kind of do, doesn't matter the language, but some of us prefer one language over another. But I know little of that stuff, just observations of students and colleagues.
I always felt bad about the student crying at the keyboard, usually a girl, however the guys usually expressed anger. But there would be a couple students in there who would just ask a question here and there to make things better and never really struggle.
Of course as an aside, the dropout rate was well above 80% in my college for CS I think. I started with somewhere around 30 majors in my class and by the 200 level course there were only 3 of us.
I agree with you to a point. You should show aptitude for what you do, but these students who break themselves getting that extra tenth of a point on their GPA are hurting themselves. Now it is good to go the extra mile and I appreciate those people. I see 4.0 students as people who are really good at following direction. I wouldnt put them in a managerial position unless they showed that they had the social skills necessary to do it. Many of my fellow students who were in the 2.5-3.3 range were also the same guys working on Open source projects, and spent so much time checking their dependencies last night that they forgot to give their code for class that last fine tuning. GPA doesnt say whether you push yourself, I got A's in classes like advanced physics, Advanced english literature, Numerical Analysis and other various places. I worked on a lot of crap projects and did well. However, it was not my academic work that got me the job in the end, it was my personality in the interview, and since it was a state job, my ability to regurgitate information when asked. Currently I have worked up enough experience that my college isnt even questioned. My references are impeccable and my work ethic is prized and that is what counts.
When I was a freshman in college I took a job at a temp agency, mostly manual labor but really good pay. Most jobs paid in excess of 11 an hour which was nice for noncommittal work. I spent 2 weeks working for an electrical company running cable for street lights and data lines. The company treated their employees like crap, were spread so thin they could barely finish a job, and I ended up finishing my term there very disgruntled with them. Worst experience I have ever had with a company. Now I own my own business and work for the state, whenever their name comes up to do a job I quickly nix them. You never know who you have in front of you.
Never have I been asked about my GPA, ever, getting a good GPA is a waste of your time in college unless you plan on doing some grad work. A better investment of your time is going out with the MBA friends and having a few beers. Or taking on some side work. I was able to maintain a C+ average, didn't strive to go higher, my CS work was great, didn't spend too much time getting that A in Gen eds. But it is my contacts and social skills that get me job offers. I am at the point right now (only 4.5 years out of college) where I can be as picky as I want with job offers because I am in demand in my area. Meanwhile, my friends who had 3.5 and higher GPAs either went on to Grad work or are working doing just as well as myself. My wife graduated in the top 2% of her private college and got an grad degree in Genetics. Her advice to students that she teaches now, "spend more time socializing".
I tutored CS131/141 students for 3 years. Music and coding are very closely related, I rarely meet a great coder who isn't also musically inclined. Don't know the reason though. But in my tutoring time, there are people who get it, and people who break down crying trying to make a simple day of the year program.
Bravo. I wasted my mod ability replying to an earlier post but you said it well. I received my CS degree a while ago and while I could code well I knew I was outclassed by several of my classmates. I was aiming for a network engineer job in the long run though. However there is a grand difference between writing programs of 1000 lines or less, or modding PHP scripts and writing fully functional code to handle multiple jobs. All these people I have worked with that consider themselves Guru's because they can write an access database or mod scripts are intelligent but are just simply playing chopsticks.
"list all the softwares you know like "Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows XP Pro" (I kid you not, the exhaustive list was on a resume)"
I lost out on an interview once (actually got feedback), for a Network admin position because I did not list all the OS's specifically that I had worked with. I said starting with Windows 3.1 to Longhorn beta, and mentioned some DOS versions and Linux/Unix variants. But because I did not specifically list them I missed out on the position. Rather depressing when I found that out. I guess in the end it depends on who the interviewer is. State interview processes I have sat through felt like a pop quiz with no dialog, point system reviewed. I think I lost that position by less than 10 points out of 200 all because I didn't list my OS experience.
beg to differ, given a competent admin it can be made sufficiently difficult to keep any student from wanting to go to any site you want. It just so happens that in my experience, HS network admins are barely competent enough to keep the routers up let alone filter anything. Most I know are either IT wannabes who couldn't hack it in a corporate environment, some poor SOB who was a math teacher and got all the responsibility pushed on them, or a person with illusions of grandeur after they set up their home network with encryption and touted how they would be able to increase the synergy of the computer department.
Of course what do I know, I just spend a large portion of my time after college fixing School networks that were FUBAR over a span of 300 miles. Got out of that thankfully.
yes, environmentalists are all that idealistic, none rely on paychecks from corporations or grants at all. No environmentalist would ever sink to the level of lobbying or smudging facts so their company can look good.....never would happen. I think I will call myself an environmentalist so I can be idealistic protagonist fighting for the good of all.
It lives because people are unwilling to move on. There are plenty of languages you can teach any bum off the street in a matter of minutes, VB for instance. It is just like Gov't work, it stays the same not because it is efficinet and easy, but because people fight change at every corner. COBOL will stay around for another 15 years until all the COBOL bigots die off. No CS program teaches the crap anymore, at least not that I know of. In the meantime COBOL devs are the managers out there, it is the only thing they really understand and therefore as long as it is their fight, they will stay with COBOL. In 50 years we will be having the same argument about C++, probably worse because at least the old devs out there today knew how to think on their feet, whereas all these get rich quick programmers today attend a 2 year undergrad, or pick up a C++ for dummies and will climb the ladder pawning off the one skill they have.
Ya I am cynical but this is just the way the tech market works.
Haven't felt the need to really watch it, although a couple people at work think that is this big thing. Doesn't it bring back the old "Power of Positive thinking" bit?
Is that rather than actually researching an issue, Joe Public will take a catchphrase from the local celebrity rather than actually research an issue. Why is this? I personally think that the majority of Major public debates are the result of a couple idiots who quote celebrities/PHDs who know nothing about the subject at hand.
It isn't just movie stars, it is Scientists, Philosophers, and Theologians of all kinds overstepping their professional bounds and being taken as fact by the public because they have PHD behind their name. Just because you are a PHD doesn't mean you have a great grasp of Evolution, Embryology, Theology, or any other hot topic area. Stick to your area of expertise and work things out that way.
Neverwinter Nights did this to an extent. Built a toolset for the game so everyone could mod away. I think the battlefield series did it as well. It just wasnt completely open.
However the support for the server side would be aweful, on the other hand your clients would have a plethora of mods to choose from. We would need to take a good look at the success of BF and NWN2 to see how well it would work for Blizzard.
What gets me here is that both of you posters attacking the cannon are doing so without even mentioning what the criteria for a "authentic" document is, you assume that because there is a Gospel of Mary and a Gostpel of Thomas or whatever Gnostic gospel there are out there and since they are controversial they MUST have been thrown out because the patriarical society at the time didnt agree with them. Of course it could have nothing to do with the fact that these "gospels" were written upwards of 300 years after the last disciple died and are in no way first hand accounts. The bible is a series of first hand witnesses, there are many criteria that affect whether or not a certain book is in the Bible. Not just that "they sound good so lets throw it in". These people were very serious about their faith and if there were another book found that made the criteria then it would be inserted today.
My wife and I have an ongoing argument about this.
It usually breaks down to the question, are beagles a product of natural selection or artificial selection? I say humans are a part of nature therefore everything we do that affects the world we are in is a part of natural selection. But the definitions say otherwise, check out the wikis
Essentially, in artificial selection, the fitness which is the amount of offsping an individual contributes to a population relative to other individuals in that same population of an organism is defined in part by its display of the traits being selected for by humans.
Natural selection is the process by which individual organisms with favorable traits are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with unfavorable traits.
BTW I wouldnt say animals killing other animals is the "quintessential" example. I would say an animal's ability to survive a given climate is. Then again I am not a biologist and maybe you are.
Ya I read TFA before posting. Didn't know the reference but took a short detour over to wiki and checked it out. Came back to the forum to see a flood of crap about the Lexus reference. a little irritated, before my morning coffee and posted the obv.
Hey, I had never read the book nor had I ever heard of it. However I have read enough allegorical literature to know when someone is referencing. I wouldn't have been a smarmy git (which I definitely was) if posters wouldn't have been jackasses flooding the forum with WTF! posts.
Here is what I think is funny. Everyone bitches about this feature when MS implements it. How it could be an app or service of some sort. But when Cisco does it with CSA http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps5 057/index.html It is the best idea ever.
If I can tell my routers and switches to ignore all traffic from a MAC until it certifies I call that a good thing. I imagine MS is trying to do the same thing with AD. Even in a DHCP network I can set up ethereal and grab an IP within the network and have a hayday accessing nodes. However if your MAC is denied throughout the network....well good luck doing anything, it just became a hell of a lot harder. Of course security is always subjective as the real goal is not to make something secure, just to be more secure enough that it is not worth the effort.
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She would be the first person to tell you she is not a creative person, but it is rare for me to find someone who works so hard at going above and beyond the call of duty to teach.
Ya I have worked with these people as well, I call them boss :)
I love working for people and with people who have passion for what the do. Maybe that is more of what made these friends of mine such great programmers, they had a passion for it, perhaps passion can be expressed through music and therein lies the tie.
My wife is a very intelligent person and a college prof, we both have talked about how you have intelligent people, then you have intelligent people who are also creative with that knowledge, and those are the people who make a difference.
Should read:I always saw coding as something creative, that you just kind of do, doesn't matter the language, but some of us prefer one language over another. But I know little of that stuff, just observations of students and colleagues.
I always felt bad about the student crying at the keyboard, usually a girl, however the guys usually expressed anger. But there would be a couple students in there who would just ask a question here and there to make things better and never really struggle.
Of course as an aside, the dropout rate was well above 80% in my college for CS I think. I started with somewhere around 30 majors in my class and by the 200 level course there were only 3 of us.
Thanks, I know physics as a hobby nothing more. But I know little of low energy systems, I will have to look up a few of those terms though ;)
I agree with you to a point. You should show aptitude for what you do, but these students who break themselves getting that extra tenth of a point on their GPA are hurting themselves. Now it is good to go the extra mile and I appreciate those people. I see 4.0 students as people who are really good at following direction. I wouldnt put them in a managerial position unless they showed that they had the social skills necessary to do it. Many of my fellow students who were in the 2.5-3.3 range were also the same guys working on Open source projects, and spent so much time checking their dependencies last night that they forgot to give their code for class that last fine tuning. GPA doesnt say whether you push yourself, I got A's in classes like advanced physics, Advanced english literature, Numerical Analysis and other various places. I worked on a lot of crap projects and did well. However, it was not my academic work that got me the job in the end, it was my personality in the interview, and since it was a state job, my ability to regurgitate information when asked. Currently I have worked up enough experience that my college isnt even questioned. My references are impeccable and my work ethic is prized and that is what counts.
When I was a freshman in college I took a job at a temp agency, mostly manual labor but really good pay. Most jobs paid in excess of 11 an hour which was nice for noncommittal work. I spent 2 weeks working for an electrical company running cable for street lights and data lines. The company treated their employees like crap, were spread so thin they could barely finish a job, and I ended up finishing my term there very disgruntled with them. Worst experience I have ever had with a company. Now I own my own business and work for the state, whenever their name comes up to do a job I quickly nix them. You never know who you have in front of you.
Never have I been asked about my GPA, ever, getting a good GPA is a waste of your time in college unless you plan on doing some grad work. A better investment of your time is going out with the MBA friends and having a few beers. Or taking on some side work. I was able to maintain a C+ average, didn't strive to go higher, my CS work was great, didn't spend too much time getting that A in Gen eds. But it is my contacts and social skills that get me job offers. I am at the point right now (only 4.5 years out of college) where I can be as picky as I want with job offers because I am in demand in my area. Meanwhile, my friends who had 3.5 and higher GPAs either went on to Grad work or are working doing just as well as myself. My wife graduated in the top 2% of her private college and got an grad degree in Genetics. Her advice to students that she teaches now, "spend more time socializing".
I tutored CS131/141 students for 3 years. Music and coding are very closely related, I rarely meet a great coder who isn't also musically inclined. Don't know the reason though. But in my tutoring time, there are people who get it, and people who break down crying trying to make a simple day of the year program.
Bravo. I wasted my mod ability replying to an earlier post but you said it well. I received my CS degree a while ago and while I could code well I knew I was outclassed by several of my classmates. I was aiming for a network engineer job in the long run though. However there is a grand difference between writing programs of 1000 lines or less, or modding PHP scripts and writing fully functional code to handle multiple jobs. All these people I have worked with that consider themselves Guru's because they can write an access database or mod scripts are intelligent but are just simply playing chopsticks.
I lost out on an interview once (actually got feedback), for a Network admin position because I did not list all the OS's specifically that I had worked with. I said starting with Windows 3.1 to Longhorn beta, and mentioned some DOS versions and Linux/Unix variants. But because I did not specifically list them I missed out on the position. Rather depressing when I found that out. I guess in the end it depends on who the interviewer is. State interview processes I have sat through felt like a pop quiz with no dialog, point system reviewed. I think I lost that position by less than 10 points out of 200 all because I didn't list my OS experience.
just curious, how do you cool something that well?
Of course what do I know, I just spend a large portion of my time after college fixing School networks that were FUBAR over a span of 300 miles. Got out of that thankfully.
yes, environmentalists are all that idealistic, none rely on paychecks from corporations or grants at all. No environmentalist would ever sink to the level of lobbying or smudging facts so their company can look good.....never would happen. I think I will call myself an environmentalist so I can be idealistic protagonist fighting for the good of all.
Got a good chuckle out of that....thanks :)
Ya I am cynical but this is just the way the tech market works.
Haven't felt the need to really watch it, although a couple people at work think that is this big thing. Doesn't it bring back the old "Power of Positive thinking" bit?
It isn't just movie stars, it is Scientists, Philosophers, and Theologians of all kinds overstepping their professional bounds and being taken as fact by the public because they have PHD behind their name. Just because you are a PHD doesn't mean you have a great grasp of Evolution, Embryology, Theology, or any other hot topic area. Stick to your area of expertise and work things out that way.
However the support for the server side would be aweful, on the other hand your clients would have a plethora of mods to choose from. We would need to take a good look at the success of BF and NWN2 to see how well it would work for Blizzard.
What gets me here is that both of you posters attacking the cannon are doing so without even mentioning what the criteria for a "authentic" document is, you assume that because there is a Gospel of Mary and a Gostpel of Thomas or whatever Gnostic gospel there are out there and since they are controversial they MUST have been thrown out because the patriarical society at the time didnt agree with them. Of course it could have nothing to do with the fact that these "gospels" were written upwards of 300 years after the last disciple died and are in no way first hand accounts. The bible is a series of first hand witnesses, there are many criteria that affect whether or not a certain book is in the Bible. Not just that "they sound good so lets throw it in". These people were very serious about their faith and if there were another book found that made the criteria then it would be inserted today.
Well done, best thing I read today! What happened to the insightful tag????
It usually breaks down to the question, are beagles a product of natural selection or artificial selection? I say humans are a part of nature therefore everything we do that affects the world we are in is a part of natural selection. But the definitions say otherwise, check out the wikis
Artificial Selection: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_selection
Essentially, in artificial selection, the fitness which is the amount of offsping an individual contributes to a population relative to other individuals in that same population of an organism is defined in part by its display of the traits being selected for by humans.
Natural Selection: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Selection
Natural selection is the process by which individual organisms with favorable traits are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with unfavorable traits.
BTW I wouldnt say animals killing other animals is the "quintessential" example. I would say an animal's ability to survive a given climate is. Then again I am not a biologist and maybe you are.
Ya I read TFA before posting. Didn't know the reference but took a short detour over to wiki and checked it out. Came back to the forum to see a flood of crap about the Lexus reference. a little irritated, before my morning coffee and posted the obv.
Hey, I had never read the book nor had I ever heard of it. However I have read enough allegorical literature to know when someone is referencing. I wouldn't have been a smarmy git (which I definitely was) if posters wouldn't have been jackasses flooding the forum with WTF! posts.
If I can tell my routers and switches to ignore all traffic from a MAC until it certifies I call that a good thing. I imagine MS is trying to do the same thing with AD. Even in a DHCP network I can set up ethereal and grab an IP within the network and have a hayday accessing nodes. However if your MAC is denied throughout the network....well good luck doing anything, it just became a hell of a lot harder. Of course security is always subjective as the real goal is not to make something secure, just to be more secure enough that it is not worth the effort.