No...I think we have a misunderstanding. I totally agree with the CA of the past. I can't defend what once was. But there have been a lot of changes, and from my point of view, the Open Source community isn't even trying to give CA a fair shake.
Please visit http://www.ca.com/opensource and see what CA is doing in Open Source. It might not be perfect, but it is a well-intentioned start, and it is just that...a start.
I have no desire to argue with you...you have made very valid points. I am just asking that you give CA a chance. John Swainson isn't old CA.
Sober up and quit looking for smoke when there is no fire. Can't you people, for once, just wait and see what happens? And when, after time goes by, this proves to be a good thing, will you come back to this board and say you were wrong? I highly doubt it.
What an intelligent comment. This is why companies like CA are wary of releasing code. Doesn't matter what they do, people always complain and point fingers. Get a life.
It is a dirty business. I don't care if you want to look at what ever you want to, but keep your porn spam and pop-ups off my computer. You have your rights...I have mine.
Luke 21:9 "But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end [is] not by and by.
Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake."
For those that believe, this is just all part of God's perfect plan.
Come on Scott...first you love Linux, then you don't. One day you're saying Linux is the wave of the future, and you buddy up to Red Hat and to SuSE, then when the SCO lawsuit come out you say you wouldn't touch Linux. Then you develope the Sun Java Desktop...a very nice desktop I might add. But now this.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING SCOTT? Stick to what SUN does best...hardware. Start playing in the Software arena and you'll get crushed. Solaris was the perfect compliment to your servers...which rock. But turning against the community who stood by you when you were going at it with Microsoft...bad form...big time.
Agreed. My point exactly. Maybe the way they are doing it isn't perfect, but they are trying, and these people on this list do nothing but complain and throw rocks. With people like this in the Open Source community, makes me want to jump ship and go back to Microsoft...you don't hear their users bickering about someone trying to do the right thing...
IBM's billion dollar commitment is nice, but CA has invested MUCH more than the one million you complain about. Founding member of the ODSL. Backing several Open Source projects, including the Plone project and kgem. MAKING AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THE BUSINESS MODEL TO BENEFIT OPEN SOURCE AND THE COMMUNITY...and you complain.
Belittle YOU? Excuse me...the Slashdot community did nothing but call him and CA names...PRIOR TO HIS RESPONSES, make unfounded accusations WITHOUT researching first, and honestly, you didn't even give him a chance. You were looking for a reason for him and CA to fail, and it irritates the hell out of me that you and the clear majority of this "community" are so frigging arrogant that you think MySQL can't use a little competition. Get a life people...you are making the community look really piss-poor.
We see the true value of Open Source. As discussed at CA World this past year, the time to market using the Open Source model is MUCH faster than in a closed system. The real winners are our customers, and the Open Source community because CA can demonstrate how a large company can change their business model, and hopefully others will follow our lead. As an Open Source advocate and believer myself, it is a fabulous time to work at CA. Believe it or not, they actually get it, and Sam is probably the biggest reason why.
CA has changed quite a bit as a company. One of our core values that we each have to learn is that our customers come first. Whatever your experiences were in the past, CA has made great strides to improve our customer relationships. That has been noted in several major newspapers and magazines. Please don't judge us too quickly...things have changed for the better.
If you go to biz.yahoo.com and put in "CA" in the top, you'll have access to public info about CA's financials. You'll see there are no money problems.
Being a CA Employee, I am, and have used a Linux desktop for nearly two years. I have settled on Xandros because it works the best with my Dell laptop in the office and on the road. I will tell you that others in CA are using Linux Desktops, both inside development and outside.
I'll let Sam answer this himself if he wants to, but I will tell you that I know Sam personally, and I guarantee you that he not only believes in Open Source, but that he has done more for Open Source than many people will ever know. You can trust him when he says yes, because he truly does practice what he preaches.
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Ah...I was waiting for the obligatory CA basher. Thank you...I was waiting for someone to show their ignorance.
No...I think we have a misunderstanding. I totally agree with the CA of the past. I can't defend what once was. But there have been a lot of changes, and from my point of view, the Open Source community isn't even trying to give CA a fair shake. Please visit http://www.ca.com/opensource and see what CA is doing in Open Source. It might not be perfect, but it is a well-intentioned start, and it is just that...a start. I have no desire to argue with you...you have made very valid points. I am just asking that you give CA a chance. John Swainson isn't old CA.
Sober up and quit looking for smoke when there is no fire. Can't you people, for once, just wait and see what happens? And when, after time goes by, this proves to be a good thing, will you come back to this board and say you were wrong? I highly doubt it.
What an intelligent comment. This is why companies like CA are wary of releasing code. Doesn't matter what they do, people always complain and point fingers. Get a life.
Try PestPatrol...it kills and prevents everything: http://www.pestpatrol.com Dave
It is a dirty business. I don't care if you want to look at what ever you want to, but keep your porn spam and pop-ups off my computer. You have your rights...I have mine.
I don't worry about any of it...
Luke 21:9
"But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end [is] not by and by.
Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake."
For those that believe, this is just all part of God's perfect plan.
Come on Scott...first you love Linux, then you don't. One day you're saying Linux is the wave of the future, and you buddy up to Red Hat and to SuSE, then when the SCO lawsuit come out you say you wouldn't touch Linux. Then you develope the Sun Java Desktop...a very nice desktop I might add. But now this. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING SCOTT? Stick to what SUN does best...hardware. Start playing in the Software arena and you'll get crushed. Solaris was the perfect compliment to your servers...which rock. But turning against the community who stood by you when you were going at it with Microsoft...bad form...big time.
Agreed. My point exactly. Maybe the way they are doing it isn't perfect, but they are trying, and these people on this list do nothing but complain and throw rocks. With people like this in the Open Source community, makes me want to jump ship and go back to Microsoft...you don't hear their users bickering about someone trying to do the right thing...
http://www.ca.com/opensource/
The CA Trusted Open Source License is a good thing. It protects the user, and still gives you the benefits of the GPL.
IBM's billion dollar commitment is nice, but CA has invested MUCH more than the one million you complain about. Founding member of the ODSL. Backing several Open Source projects, including the Plone project and kgem. MAKING AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THE BUSINESS MODEL TO BENEFIT OPEN SOURCE AND THE COMMUNITY...and you complain.
AMEN!
Belittle YOU? Excuse me...the Slashdot community did nothing but call him and CA names...PRIOR TO HIS RESPONSES, make unfounded accusations WITHOUT researching first, and honestly, you didn't even give him a chance. You were looking for a reason for him and CA to fail, and it irritates the hell out of me that you and the clear majority of this "community" are so frigging arrogant that you think MySQL can't use a little competition. Get a life people...you are making the community look really piss-poor.
We see the true value of Open Source. As discussed at CA World this past year, the time to market using the Open Source model is MUCH faster than in a closed system. The real winners are our customers, and the Open Source community because CA can demonstrate how a large company can change their business model, and hopefully others will follow our lead. As an Open Source advocate and believer myself, it is a fabulous time to work at CA. Believe it or not, they actually get it, and Sam is probably the biggest reason why.
CA has changed quite a bit as a company. One of our core values that we each have to learn is that our customers come first. Whatever your experiences were in the past, CA has made great strides to improve our customer relationships. That has been noted in several major newspapers and magazines. Please don't judge us too quickly...things have changed for the better.
If you go to biz.yahoo.com and put in "CA" in the top, you'll have access to public info about CA's financials. You'll see there are no money problems.
Being a CA Employee, I am, and have used a Linux desktop for nearly two years. I have settled on Xandros because it works the best with my Dell laptop in the office and on the road. I will tell you that others in CA are using Linux Desktops, both inside development and outside.
I'll let Sam answer this himself if he wants to, but I will tell you that I know Sam personally, and I guarantee you that he not only believes in Open Source, but that he has done more for Open Source than many people will ever know. You can trust him when he says yes, because he truly does practice what he preaches.