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Mount St. Helens Alert Status Increased
DarkHand writes "Mount St. Helens has become even more unstable in the last few hours. The U.S. Geological Surveys Cascades Volcano Observatory has increased the volcanic alert around the volcano to level 2 and released a press release: 'Over night, seismic activity at Mount St. Helens has accelerated significantly, which increases our level of concern that current unrest could culminate in an eruption. We are increasing the alert level to the second of three levels [...]. Earthquakes are occurring at about four per minute. The largest events are approaching Magnitude 2.5 and they are becoming more frequent. All are still at shallow levels in and below the lava dome that grew in the crater between 1980 and 1986. This suggests that the ongoing intense earthquake activity has weakened the dome, increasing the likelihood of explosions or perhaps the extrusion of lava from the dome.' The most recent readings at the SEP seismograph stationed on the lava dome itself are totally saturated. The ground is now literally constantly rumbling."
"Get outta there, it's gonna blow!"
.. if only to shout "Leonard Bernstein" at this point.
yarr
All of these hurricanes, tornadoes earthquakes, floods, and now volcano eruptions...when do the plagues and locusts start happening?
Do people still remember the show Dante's Peak? It had a real cool legged robot which went into the volcano to collect samples. Wonder if these cool and useful machines are still being used or is everything remote sensing now?
Memo to self: Don't live anywhere near an active volcano.
I could find a way to make Micro$oft seem responsible...
What I don't get out of any of the reports I've read is how severe of an eruption is possible here. Could it be massive like the big one that blew the side off of the mountain or are we in for a little puff (or as little as little can be on a volcanic scale)? Or do they just not know?
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
KABOOM!
Someone ought to send DJ Qualls in there to fix it. Just make sure he doesn't get stuck inside a geode.
USGS earthquake info for Mt St Helens National Volcanic Monument area (wide view)
USGS Cascades Volcano Observatory Mt St Helens seismic observations
Pacific Northwest Seismograph Network Mt St Helens home page (earthquake list)
...but I've always thought of volcanos as Mother Earth's acne.
As I was watching Katie Couric interview one of the scientists this morning, I just kept thinking that these guys are all waiting for this big head to pop so they can collect measurements on the pus.
Sorry, kinda icky, but these are my thoughts. Mod down if you have a weak stomach.
The House Between - Original Sci-Fi Series
Washington possesses weapons of mass destruction. They must disarm immediately or face regime change.
Do you want the first warning to be a mushroom cloud over Washington State Park?
I'm sick of all these damn hurricanes, honey. Where else can we live?
I want to get as far away from this place as possible. How about Washington?
Works for me, let's go!
It's not a lie. It's the truth with lossy compression.
I know Folorida pissed some higher being off, Butwhat did the state of washington do ? But seriously, how many eruptions has this volcano had since say 0 AD? Is this a trend towards moe frequent eruptions in the area?
Boiler ? what boiler? I just water cool my Eight-way opteron box!
... the Army really is looking out for my best interests. Here I thought they sent me to Iraq because, due to the "Rumsfeld doctrine" (horseshit), the Army found itself drastically short-handed. Turns out they just wanted me to be safe from the volcano I live next to!
Wait, my family...
Damn. Excuse me while I extract this big green phallus from somewhere intensely personal.
Arr! The laws of physics be a harsh mistress!
I love hurricanes ... but then I live in the midwest so they won't directly affect me :).
A fine is a tax you pay for doing wrong and a tax is a fine you pay for doing all right.
The presidential debate season begins tonight
Hmm. I was hoping to see a live volcano eruption here, but it seems
not to be broadcasting now. Anyone knows why/what's happening ?
That's what this country needs... MORE VOLCANOS!!
...a thorough debunking
http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/ It looks pretty grim. (Is it dark @ 6:30am @ MSH?)
I was there about ten years ago, with a college field trip. Being from the Midwest, I haddn't seen any real volcanos until then. I was looking forward to seeing the terrific devistation and other formations left by the 1980 eruptions.
While driving up the windy mountin road to get to the park, our van turned a bend, and suddenly I saw before me a swath of devistation so utterly complete that I knew only some tremendous force could have removed all the trees and other signs of life.
I asked the "vetrans" of the group if we had reached the blast zone already. They responded: "Nope, that's just a clearcut. The blast zone now has much more wildlife."
Ah well. I was just there to look at the rocks anyway.
OK, so maybe it's just dark there at 6:40 am.
I read Usenet for the articles.
I think they are using the Service Pack 2 firewall utility.
ifd you live in tacoma, mt. rainier is the one you worry about
pdf map of lava flow hazard from mt. rainier to tacoma
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I love the rain ... But then I live in England so that doesn't, Oh wait a minute.
Can anyone who knows more about Earth Science help me out here?
More info to add in the last few hours to my post. According to the most recent seismograph readings, it now seems that Mount Rainer is showing signs of activity as well.
I was three years old when St. Helens blew in 1980 (anyone feel old yet?).
Our family lived in Northern Idaho, and my father likes to recount how the hardware store was full of people buying masks and resperators and whatnot. He tells of how the supermarket was jam-packed with people stockpiling for the apocalypse.
He was getting a little nervous, but on his drive home he saw our neighbor (we lived out in the country), a farmer named Mr.Coon, just trolling about on his tractor under the bloody sun and darkened sky;doing his daily work, acting like it was just another day.
My father was then able to relax a bit.
I was born in Tacoma Washington while the volcano was erupting, which has earned me a lot of jokes along the lines of "You sure came into the world with a bang." Now that it may erupt again I wonder if that is a good luck sign for me or bad. Since it erupted when I was born will its next eruption be an omen of my death? I just started medical school, so maybe since the previous eruption signified the beginning of my life this eruption will signify the beginning of my professional life.
:P
Or maybe I think too much.
I love tornadoes... but then I live on the east coa--Oh shit, we're back where we started.
I'm looking to get rich. I've got steps #2 (????) and #3 (PROFIT!) planned out, but am having trouble coming up with #1.
By an interesting coincidence, I was born near Mt. St. Helens during the first eruption. Yes...as I was delivered from the womb, the city was covered with ash and filled with the sounds of weeping and gnashing of teeth *cough* I mean, sweeping and washing of streets.
Maybe with this next eruption, instead of merely being born, I'll actually get a life.
...our scientists are no longer able to monitor and analyze any vulcanic activity online.
Folks: you're on your own.
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Have we positively ruled out terrorism as a cause of this seismic activity at this point?
I love tornadoes ... but then I live on the moon so they won't directly affect me :).
-- i am jack's amusing sig file
There will be a big white flag coming out of the crater reading "BOOM!" any minute now...
Having never been there myself, it would be cool to see before and after shots of the area in the event of an eruption. Any one out there listening?
-m
http://www.invisik.com
Sunrise was at 6:07.. as I said above.. It's probably cloudy at that elevation... or it's raining :)
Hmmm.
I guess I should put off moving to Seattle then, eh?
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All of these hurricanes, tornadoes earthquakes, floods, and now volcano eruptions...when do the plagues and locusts start happening?
We got lotsa fleas around here ... I think I'd prefer locusts ...
Bush declares the volcano part of the "Axis of Lava", declares "War on Volcanos" and sends bombers to the area to eliminate the threat.
Or would that be a magma flow war?
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
--Dr.W.Edwards Deming
It's just Mother Nature shaking up her chocolate milk.
Hmmm.
I think they color the recent quakes red to scare the bejesus out of everyone, but the average depth over the past month is still much closer to the surface than normal.
Even blind squirrels find nuts now and then.
I, for one, welcome our new Decepticon overlords.
-Stephen
Let the "the server melted" and "I guess they needed a better firewall" jokes begin...
I read Usenet for the articles.
It probably is the clouds ... the cam can't see through fog or clouds, and cannot compensate for low light-conditions...
I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
You know that news outlets around the country are hard at work making the on screen volcano graphics, lining up siesmologists, and all the siesmologists are picking out ties to look nice for TV. News writers are looking up lava, volcano, and erupt in the thesaurus. I dunno, maybe im too cynical for my own good. I cant help but think, people die in these sort of things. It is interesting scientifically, and historically, but if I see one flashy graphic on fox or msnbc like "Fire in the hole", "Go with the flow", or "Magma-nificent" Im gonna go back to reading books.
someone make sure this fool is checking out the lava dome when it blows
Subduction zones (like those off the west coast of America) and volcanoes (such as St. Helens) are a big part of the long-term carbon cycle of the planet. Left to its own, life and chemical processes on this planet would convert all the atmospheric carbon into calcium carbonate that would be trapped in rock on the bottom of the ocean. Subduction zones and volcanoes reprocess this rock into CO2.
Once the Earth's crust cools enough, it will lock up and stop the cycle and CO2 will inexorable drop in concentration. I can't remember when this is predicted to happen, but I believe it is scheduled to occur before the Sun becomes a red giant. Of course, I'm sure our descendants (assuming we have them) will invent their own C02 extract factories to keep the Earth nicely carbonated when the time comes.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Google 'Yellowstone volcano.' In one of the two or three times I favored my intro to geology class with my presence, my professor explained that much of Yellowstone National Park is the caldera of a giant volcano, according to him the largest on earth, hence the geysers and sulfurous springs. If it were to erupt again -- fortunately it does so rarely, about once every 600k years -- it would cover most of the Western US in ash and if it did so without warning, would kill millions of people.
Always a godfather; never a god. -Gore Vidal
They had some comments on the local news this morning about its severity. (I live in Vancouver - just a short drive from St. Helens.) It looks like the only thing they're predicting is a very small eruption, possible steam escapes. Nothing at all like the last one.
The only problem they expect is the possibility of dispruping flights at PDX or some of the local airports.
Contrary to the last eruption, when 57 people died, no one lives up around the volcano anymore. So, it's not like anything nearly as severe is likely.
So, even though activity is through the roof, they don't expect more than a small eruption. Even last time, here in Vancouver, we didn't get much activity at all. All the ash, darkness and horrid weather was thrown to the east of the Cascades, near Yakima and Central Washington. The rivers were flooded and clogged with debris, but other than the immediate vicinity, no one was hurt.
Any sufficiently well-organized Government is indistinguishable from bullshit.
When up on Mt. Rainier (over looks Seattle) we were told by guides that Mt. Rainier was a much larger active volcano with far more devistating potential than St. Helens because of both it's size and proximity to Seattle.
Does the activity at St. Helens make Mt. Rainier and more or less likely to also erupt?
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
...Bush will blame the eruption on Al Qaeda and send National Guard troops to Washington state then completely fail to find any lava of mass destruction.
MMMmmmmmm....erotic cakes!!! Homer J. Simpson - Treehouse of Horror VI
...godzirra is trying to break free!
http://pubs.usgs.gov/publications/msh/comparisons. html
"Whoever wins, we lose..." ;)
One of the more reassuring things about St Helens blowing is that it has already done so. It has a nice crater to keep things fairly contained and no glaciers. Mt Rainier is another story, however. It is also a volcano, has the most permanent glaciers on it of any mountain in the continental US and if it blows, the true danger is what happens to those glaciers at eruption. It's known as a lahar.
I read something similar to this once: To get an idea of a lahar, imagine a 30 ft wall of mud, boiling in temperature with the consistency of wet cement traveling at speeds up to 60 mph or so. If you go driving through the river valleys of Washington State (Carbon Rv, Puyallup Rv) that are fed by the Rainier glaciers, you'll see Lahar evacuation route signs everywhere. Not only that, but I believe recent evacuation simulations have been abysmal. Scary stuff.
Ahh, may have found the article that I read.
Not only does God definitely play dice, but He sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen. -Hawking
I live in Tieton, WA (near Yakima, WA, which is somewhat close to M. St. Helens); it's very grey out right now, but that's because of clouds I believe (it's certainly too early for ash.)
It's possible that camera is just pointing skyward and seeing a blue tinted overcast day... but I don't think so.
This is what I'd like to see, more scientists making more fun plots and graphs like this for me to look at.
I read Usenet for the articles.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Products/Warn/WarnScheme s.html
My rights don't need management.
It's time to take things up a notch...
BAM!
War, Famine, Death and ... Flu.
I know Folorida pissed some higher being off, Butwhat did the state of washington do ?
/. karma whoring, I admit it. Moderate accordingly.)
Maybe This?
(OK this post is blatant !MS flamebait
Best. Comment. Ever. Enjoy!
The area has not had time to replenish its stock of stubborn old men who repeat the mantra "I've lived here nigh on 50 years and it ain't killed me!" to passing geologists attempting to evacuate them.
If it does blow up, where will our schadenfreude come from?
Volcano
By: jimmy buffett, keith sykes, harry dailey
1979
Chorus:
Now I don't know - I don't know
I don't know where I'm a gonna go - When the volcano blow
Chorus:
Let me say now I don't know - I don't know
I don't know where I'm a gonna go - When the volcano blow
Ground she's movin' under me - Tidal waves out on the sea
Sulphur smoke up in the sky - Pretty soon we learn to fly
Chorus:
Let me hear ya now I don't know - I don't know
I don't know where I'm a gonna go - When the volcano blow
Now my girl quickly say to me - Mon you better watch your feet
Lava come down soft and hot - You better lava me now or lava me not
Chorus:
Let me say now I don't know - I don't know
I don't know where I'm a gonna go - When the volcano blow
-- spoken: mr utley...
No time to count what I'm worth - 'cause I just left the planet earth
Where I go I hope there's rum - Not to worry mon soon come
Chorus:
Now I don't know - I don't know
I don't know where I'm a gonna go - When the volcano blow
Chorus:
One more now I don't know (ah he don't know) - I don't know (he don't know, mon)
I don't know where I'm a gonna go - When the volcano blow
But I don't want to land in new york city - Don't want to land in mexico (no no no)
Don't want to land on no three mile island - Don't want to see my skin aglow (no no no)
Don't want to land in commanche sky park - Or in nashville, tennessee (no no no)
Don't want to land in no san juan airport - Or the yukon territory (no no no)
Don't want to land no san diego - Don't want to land in no buzzards bay (no no no)
Don't want to land on no ayotollah - I got nothing more to say
Chorus:
I don't know - I don't know
I don't know where I'm a gonna go - When the volcano blow
Chorus:
Just a one more, I don't know (he don't know) - I don't know (I don't know, man)
I don't know where I'm a gonna go - When the volcano blow
PS - cavia procellus - how are things going?
I clearly remember 1980. It was pretty neat and scary. Although it happened on Sunday, so we didn't get that day off of school. I think school was closed for several days afterwards. Some tidbits that you may find boring or interesting...
Ash was so fine (there was several inches on the street) that it would ruin your engine. So everyone put women's pantyhose over their air cleaners to keep the dirt out. Also the local timber company bought out the auto parts stores of all the extra air cleaners to keep their trucks moving.
people kept emergency supplies in their car trunks for years after that. probably until 86 or 87
Also, their were some great slogans on bumper stickers and t-shirts that we'll revive if necessary.
"Mt St. Helen's lost her ash in 1980, I saved mine."
Plus the song about harry truman was popular.
wow, amazing what you can remember...
I love Topic Drift, but I'm a Slashdot user.....
(/local/home/curiosity)-#who -u|grep thecat|cut -c 44-49|xargs kill -9
that Condelezza Rice would be trolling webforums.... Quite a step a up.
War, Famine, Death and the IRS
Never confuse volume with power.
Although both Mt Rainier, Mt St Helens, and all the other dormant and volcanoes in Washington and Oregon are due to the same subduction zone; an eruption at Mt St Helens will not influence Rainier in any way.
The USGS is currently predicting a high likelihood of Rainier experiencing a small eruption in the next 50 years. This will melt Rainier's icecap and produce lahar flows (heavy, fast mud flows - these will take out bridges and buildings). The outskirts of Seattle are built on the deposits of old lahars from Rainier...
Early this year, a warning system (a bit like the tsunami system in the Pacific) has been put in place between Rainier and Seattle. This should give warning of lahars as they start. This could give enough warning to get people out of valley bottoms, etc - but how much of the populace knows what a lahar is and what the danger is???
Incidentally, a couple of days ago, I plotted the ongoing Mt St Helens earthquake swarm on some earthquake hazard maps and put the results here.
Richard (yes I was a seismologist 10 years ago)Bush gets re-elected
Yellowstone National Park is the caldera of a giant volcano
Yellowstone = Caldera = Sco = stolen BSD code = BSD is dying. Transitive property of equality states that Yellowstone is indeed dying (in a giant volcano)...BYE Darl
This is Karl Rove's doing just to get the news off of the Iraqi clusterfuck and as insurance in case Dubya drools tonight.
Clearly, Mt. St. Helens is near eruption because it is starved for virgin sacrifices!
come on, be kind:
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I did Hurricanes Camille, Agnes, and Hugo on the East Coast. I've done tornadoes and blizzards in Michigan. I was in LA for huge brush and forest fires, the Rodney King riots, and the Northridge Quake. I now live in Portland, OR. Yea.
On the "harbingers of doom" ratings scale, hearing I'm moving to town is like running into Jim Cantore in a hotel lobby.
I'm just going to tell you this once, son: If you want to keep working here...stay off the drugs.
canada?
please me, have no regrets.
Seach runs chartered volcano tours and has amassed quite a collection of pics which are up on the site too.
it has increased to beyond 3.0 quakes now. Check out: http://www.pnsn.org/HELENS/mshrec_eqs.html and get the most up-to-date list.
The descriptions of the tsunamis were incredible (I know it's a fiction book, but still...): 100 ft. high waves travelling at high speeds, one after another. Sure, some buildings may survive one of those, but several?
Good book, but had to give it back to the library before I could finish it.
I'm not sure what the secret to success is, but the secret to failure lies in trying to please everyone -Bill Cosby
Since moderators are retarded. May 18th, 1980 Mt. St. Helens erupted inconvienencing Seattle with a light dusting of fine ash.
Wouldn't Allah be a better candidate to whale on the US?
Languages aren't inherently fast -- implementations are efficient
Let's just hope the VolcanoCam has been /.ed. Else... :-(
This one gang kept wanting me to join cause I'm pretty good with a bo staff.
A friend sent me this link to the Mount St. Helens Volcano Cam, updated every 5 minutes from the Johnston Ridge Observatory.
Everyone knows that the volcano god demands a hot young virgin female. Slashdot is full of ugly virgin male nerds.
If you're in Washington, and Scuzzlebutt doesn't save you, you can always duck, and cover.
Everything looks like a nail?
They don't report these sorts of things loudly. Even the National Geographic website didn't post any images. --And images of amazing turns of nature is one of the things they do best. Gee. Go figure.
-FL
Maybe the citizens around mt. St. Helens should get those leftover navy ELFs, they saved Pierce Brosnan when Dantes Peak erupted :).
Last year or the year before when they had the (false) lahar warning for Rainier, a friend of mine -- a 911 dispatcher -- was on a date when he got the emergency page. This woman, quite the clingy "me-first" type, got uppity with him for looking at his pager. He told her he had to go, there was an emergency. She didn't believe him. He stood up in the middle of the restaraunt and said, loudly, "Mt. Fucking-Rainier is erupting...call a cab.". That was their first (and last) date. :-)
As an aside, anyone remember Jim Foreman (news reporter) doing a live broadcast from Harborview doing his normal melodramatic report that "dozens of casualties are being flown in now...we'll be here to report on it"? Good times.
Save America from Volcanoe's, Vote Bush 2004!
that it would be nice if it were in washington dc rather than washington.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I recall a couple of photos (in Nat'l Geographic?) from some folks who were on Rainier when St. Helens blew. The 1st photo showed a person in the foreground, with the initial burst out of St. Helens in the background. The 2nd photo showed the foreground person being knocked on her ass, while the background showed St. Helen's burst pluming upward rapidly.
Like any earthquake in the area, St. Helens can affect Rainier. The question is: Is Rainier stable enough to shrug these off? In 1980, the answer to that question was YES. It seems likely that if St. Helens' next eruption is as moderate as is being predicted, combined with Rainier's continued quiescence, then the answer will still be YES.
[You have a stable society when some nut guns down a schoolyard and the law doesn't change.]
I love gamma radiation, but I live in an abandoned lead mine...
If it were done when 'tis done, then t'were well it were done quickly... MacBeth
There haven't been any updates so far this morning. The alert status went to level 2 yesterday at 10:40am PDT...
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=123815&cid=103 93657
Crap: lots of shit flying everywhere. Crapper:Someone who throws shit. The crapper of a volcano exploded.
Deserving got nothing to do with it.....shuffle
If you go to the webcam at the visitor's center right now (7:40 am pst), you'll see nothing but a grey screen. It's the early morning fog. If it were ash, you would get a "page not found...", something /. readers see more often than not anyway.
Being I live in SW Washington, probably 20 miles from MSH, I can attest that at 6:30am there was a pretty heavy cloud cover that made things mighty dark.
If the picture is gray, that means it's foggy.
Give me my freedom, and I'll take care of my own security, thank you.
I thought CO2 emissions were something we had too much of. Is this like cholesterol, where there is a "good" CO2 and a "bad" CO2?
I'll shut up now and yield the floor to the "experts"
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Considering that the USGS is sheepish about warnings, this is not to be taken lightly. Keep in mind that there were erutions after the "big one" in 1986. Helens is a very restless beast, and from 80 to 86 there were eruptions that built up the dome that is present there now. Lets just say that I wouldn't be buying property near spirit lake anytime soon. More worrysome is the damage another eruption could do to the fragile ecosystem surrounding the stratovolcano.
Tyler: You don't know where ive been, Lou. YOU DONT KNOW WHERE IVE BEEN!!
Unfortunately the cam isn't in a very good location. I've been watching it on my desk at work for days and more often than not, your view is covered by clouds.
When it does clear up (15% of the time) you do have an awesome view of the peak, surrounding clouds and clear blue skies.
--- I do not moderate.
"At least we'll die doing what we love...inhaling molten rock"
-Homer
+1 Insightful, -1 Troll. What can I say, I'm an Insightful Troll.
See the following link to see various pictures of Mt. St. Helens, before and after the May 18, 1980 eruption.
y 18_images.html (Courtesy of USGS)
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Images/ma
Give me my freedom, and I'll take care of my own security, thank you.
This seems like a strange way to keep others from messing with your seismograph. Why not just lock it up?
Sleep is just a poor substitute for caffeine, anyway. -Bob Lehmann
"I don't have to #$%&@# impress you!"
--Stewie
Just finished reading more Israel/Palestine stuff, and I have to ask: Theoretically, if someone launched a few mortars at the volcano cap... would that be enough to make it erupt?
It's now YELLOW/ELEVATED: SIGNIFICANT RISK OF BAD THINGS HAPPENING I hope it doesn't go up to RED/SEVERE: LOTS OF BUBBLY HOT STUFF ON THE GROUND
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The article just before this one already talked about this release of a slow-moving mass of lava being released on the west coast.
No, wait.. the other one was about a slow-moving mass of JAVA. Sorry, my bad.
You can watch the CAM here. There is a nice view of the volcano.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"First things first -- but not necessarily in that order"
-- The Doctor, "Doctor
Nah, he's tired from his "holy" campaign against Israel. IMHO, god has no place doing anything, no matter what you call him.
Tyler: You don't know where ive been, Lou. YOU DONT KNOW WHERE IVE BEEN!!
Some of the earthquakes are approaching magnitude 3, so it is very likely that the Rainier seismometers are picking up activity from Mt St Helens.
A seismometer can pick up small local earthquake, or a large distant earthquake. Although they'll have different frequency signatures, it is virtually impossible to get a good location for it unless you have multiple records from different places. I would wait until the CVO has produced some locations before drawing any conclusions.
At the moment, the frequency of earthquakes means the CVO staff are having to manually locate the earthquakes. (probably interference between each earthquake signal)
RichardYup, it has been erupting every ~600k years for a while now, but the last one was ~630k years ago.
The one that exploded roughly 1.8million years ago exploded with a force somewhere between 2,500 and 8,000 times the magnitude of the last Mount St. Helens explosion, creating a crater 60km wide. It laid down ash 3m deep 1600km away.
So we're due for another explosion Real Soon Now. Fortunately for us (Well, you folks in the US, anyway), Real Soon Now in this context probably means sometime in the next few thousand years...
No, it's not the alien conspiracy doing it...
This is from the Mount St. Helens VolcanoCam site, in the archive area.
Mount St. Helens is located in the Pacific Northwest where is has either just stopped raining, is currently raining, or is getting ready to rain. The camera site is at an elevation of approximately 4,500 feet. It is located approximately 5 miles north-northwest from the volcano, and looks across the North Fork Toutle River Valley. This is an area which receives more than 100 inches of rain a year. Most likely, you are looking at rain, clouds, fog, and/or a combination of the three.
There is nothing wrong with the VolcanoCam or the image.
"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."--Benjamin Franklin
Just because you can see one volcano from another, does not mean they are connected in a meaningful way within the top 10-20 miles of the lithosphere (crust).
Yes, if you have a lava dome close to collapse (eg. Mt St Helens in early May 1980), then a reasonable size earthquake could be the trigger to cause that collapse. And that earthquake could be local, from another volcano, or even another fault (no, Parkfield has nothing to do with the current activity in WA): but the collapse was going to happen anyway, whether it is at that moment or in a couple of days time.
Richard
The most recent readings at the SEP seismograph stationed on the lava dome itself are totally saturated.
Somebody Else's Problem seismograph? What does it do, make the volcano disappear if it becomes too inconvenient?
So, are any of the online bookies taking bets on whether it'll erupt or not?
...or can anyone else not help themselves from mentioning things like "blow its wad, shoot its load, and other sexual phrases in referencing this?
Tyler: You don't know where ive been, Lou. YOU DONT KNOW WHERE IVE BEEN!!
Looks like Mount St. Helens is about to defrag.
Everything'l be safe. I learned on South Park that all you need to do is "Duck and cover".
Tyler: You don't know where ive been, Lou. YOU DONT KNOW WHERE IVE BEEN!!
Can't they now roughly predict eruptions using long period events ?
Or unless you're a horse. Our 4-legged friend can readily indicate that it's not feeling well to its handlers, unless of course its handlers are worth their salt and then will of course know the horse feels ill before it does.
So in America we can kind of divide the country into areas based upon what natural disasters are frequent. In California, we get earthquakes, Florida and the east coast/south get hurricanes, the middle of the country gets tornados, and apparently the northwest gets volcanos. My question is, are Europe, South America, Canada, and other parts of the world divided like this as well? Being American, no one really teaches anything about the outside world except that we make it a better place.
in bed.
LOL. Too bad it weren't true and just the opposite.
I love Continental Drift, but then I have a lot of time on my hands.
PS: We installed a Qorvus Meshcam(tm) on the top of the Skamania County Government building as part of the Stevenson Wifi Project, which was the first municiple public access mesh network to go live in the US.
Seastead this.
The bugs belong to the largest group, or brood, of periodical cicadas--insects that spend most of their lives as nymphs, burrowed underground and sucking sap from tree roots. They emerge once every 17 years, transform into adults, do the business of reproduction, and then die.
It's not that bad. It happens all the time. If someone spouted off an end-of-world claim every time there was a plauge of bugs...well... we'd still have as many end-of-world claims. 17 years isn't that long, and most people would remember last time the cicadas came. Hell, I do, and I'm only 21. They probably thought it wasn't newsworthy, because it happens all the time. No tinfoil brigade needs to be sent out for this one. You can thank me later when we all find out (via a Fox TV special, I'm sure) that the X Prize was faked.
It occurs to me now that the city of Portland Oregon (metro population 1.1 million) was menaced by the last big eruption of Mt. St. Helen's in May 1980.
In that event, the entire north side of the mountain blew up in a explosion with force equal to many hydrogen bombs. Luckly the area devastated was wilderness forest. Only about 15 people lived in the several hundred square miles primarily affected.
However on the west side of the mountain, there was a nuclear power plant on the Columbia river about 50 miles (80 km) away. If the volcano had blown out through the west side of the mountain instead of the north side, there was the serious possiblility that the shock wave would have ruptured the reactor coolant tanks and damaged the control and safety systems. In a worst case, this could have led to the release of radioactive material into the last 50 miles of the Columbia river. The river would have been closed for shipping. Which means that the port of Portland would have been closed, stopping shipment of massive amounts of grain to Asia from the Pacific Northwest. It would have also caused the extinction of the fisheries, such as salmon and steelhead trout in the Columbia.
Incredibly, during this entire pre-eruption period, the operaters of the Trojan Nuclear Power Plant did not shut down the facility or take any precautions against earthquake damage. The plant is closed now after it was revealed that it lies directly over an earthquake fault, but the spent fuel rods are still stored there because there isn't any other place to put them.
At the time of the eruption, no one seemed to be aware of this possibility. Or, more likely, everyone just decided to keep really quiet.
The eruption was too bad because Mt. St. Helens was a perfect cone before the eruption. It looked like Mt. Fuji in Japan. Now it looks like a million-seat football stadium: a big hole with a circular ridge around half of it.
I was going to college in Moscow, Idaho when it blew, and believe me, it was impressive, even that far away from the eruption.
Throughout the day a tolkeinesque black cloud grew larger and larger on the western horizon, until it streched all of the way north to south. As it came over it became darker than night, the sky was just black. Then is started to "snow" volcanic ash. Instead of coming down in flakes, it came down as a fine powder, but looking out the window, it looked like snow against the street lights. This was about 3:00 in the afternoon.
It didn't get light again before nightfall. The next morning, it was as if it had snowed, except it was very finely powdered ash, and it didn't go away like snow, it just compacted and then blew around as dust when the wind blew.
It was a very memorable experience, more impressive even than a total solar eclipse (but that's another story)...
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
I don't think this means what you think it means...
I was ten years old living down in Vancouver, WA back in 1980. We had a pristine view of the mountain from our back yard and would constantly have "eruption barbeques" at the house.
;)
During one of the many ash-falls that used to regularly dust us, my brother and I ran out one morning to play in the new ash before our parents woke up. There was about 1-2 inches coating everything, like new snow, and it had just rained making all of the ash into an interesting clay-like consistency.
Kids being kids, my little brother and I ran out to the driveway and started writing our names with our fingers into the ash covering my dad's brand new 1 day old VW Scirroco in the driveway. It started out with "Hi" and "Cool" and progressed to "Van Halen kicks ass" and "KISS rules" and liberal scrawlings of "dork", "shit", "Tony sucks dick", drawings of boobies and penises, you get the idea.
Well, we got into a hell of a lot of trouble when my dad saw the car when he had to wipe all of the ash off to drive to work. Our trouble later escalated when he discovered that, after going through a car wash to rinse off the rest, everything that we had written on his car was now premanently scratched into the paint and windows of his car, ash being a fine gritty silicate. Our dad's co-workers ribbed him endlessly about his "custom paint job" as it took him several weeks before he could get his car repainted and the windows replaced.
All told, a few thousand dollar "oops" for us kids
----- And all that the Lorax left here in this mess was a small pile of rocks, with one word...UNLESS.
The Cascades Volcano Observatory is right next door to where I work and I can see their front door from my window. If I see them running out and heading for their cars, I'm outa here.
/ducks
No really, there's a volcano about to blow up...
The last time Mt St Helens erupted, it led to some really good wine the following years (due to the ash being added to the soil). So ... I'm looking forward to it.
"We shall party like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean." - HedonismBot
I was hiking up a peak in the Tatoosh range with my climbing class (S. of Mt Rainier) the morning St. Helens blew in 1980. We didn't hear any sound at all although people in Alaska reported hearing it. It was a clear sunny morning and the first thing we noticed was this weird cloud covering the whole sky, rolling toward Mt Rainier. When it covered the sun it got dark, like midnight. The ash started to fall, looked like a snowstorm but when it landed on your hand it wasn't cold & wet, it was dry and dusty. Then the snow we were on turned dark gray, and we left white footprints - looked like a photographic negative. We had to cover our faces with extra t-shirts, bandanas, etc (luckily we were prepared) in order not to breathe the ash in. At first we wanted to move faster toward the summit so we could see the eruption (St. Helens was behind the peak we were climbing) but as the ashfall increased we decided the heck with that, let's run back down to our cars! We went in a small cabin at the parking lot where we started than decided to try and drive out to the West. Some cars were stalled on the side of the road with their air filters clogged with ash but we made it out into the sunshine.
Jim Forman cracked me up. I actually miss his stuff since moving to California.
"There's a pile of shit at 4th and Pine!"
"It's brown and about waist high!"
"We'll keep you updated. This is Jim Forman, King 5 News. Back to you Jean."
Ever notice how he always got stuck doing the crappiest stories? LOL.
"Mount St. Helens Alert Status Increased"
So are we at a Significant, High, or Severe risk of volcano attacks?
Live in the northwest: Volcanoes
Live in the southwest: Earthquakes
Live on the east coast: Hurricanes
Live in the south/central part of the country: Tornadoes
Live in the north: Blizzards
Live in Indiana: You have to live in Indiana
> If it were to erupt again --
> fortunately it does so rarely, about once every 600k years
IIRC, a lake in Yellowstone is moving, because the ground under it is tipping.
That's a big clue.
I don't get it... Did Leonard Bernstein conduct REM or toss Michael Stipe into a volcano?
Mostly we have earthquakes here in central California, but looks like the west coast is getting the east coast treatment. Two sets of earth quakes in 24 hours, centered around Parkfield (earthquake capitol of California, they say, dunno about you, but that sounds like a ringing endorsement for a place to live if ever there was one) plus another one near Bakersfield and I figure Mt. St. Helens has got nothing on us. Shakes to the left, magma to the right, it's more like Fins, but Volcano is probably more fitting. (BTW this new lameness minimum line-length thing is a real bugbear, how's someone supposed to post something valid without adding piles of unnecessary comments just to bloat the thing out to some arbitrary average length? It's the kind of thing Pythons careers were born lampooning. Were we not once criticized for writing run-on sentences and paragraphs -- maybe I should review Dead Poets Society stuff for measuring proper enjoyment of a poem with a ruler.) Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 39.6).Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 39.6). It's like telling someone they're house is on fire, but they won't hear you properly unless you use proper manners (Excuse my interruption, kind sir, but your house is a great inferno and I beg you consider your options regarding the welfare of your family and posessions, like, totally forsooth and stuff like that there.) [this is for the lameness filter which utterly blows and encourages lots of unnecessary text to be inserted into a comment by some inexplicable logic to reign in people who do puny posts or obscene artwork, but is really a drag if you're trying to post a quote or some code which is formatted. I hope you enjoy this interlude as much as I did typing it.]
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
You're like Samuel Clemens. Born when Halley's Comet went by, died the next time it came 'round.
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Um, maybe events like this (which occur at regular intervals of 17 years, for Brood X) aren't reported loudly outside the region in which they occur, but for about two months it was any of the talking heads on radio & TV would talk about in Northern Virginia.
If you've never been in the area effected by Brood X during mating season, it's an amazing sound. Sort of like a 1950s era B movie soundtrack. Actually I heard a rumor (no verification, I have no idea if it's true or not) that that sound was actually used in at least one movie.
Allegedly real newspaper headline from 1998:
Man Struck by Lightning Faces Battery Charge
It is little known that lying underneath one of The United States largest and most picturesque National Parks - Yellowstone Park - is one of the largest "super volcanoes" in the world. Scientists have revealed that Yellowstone Park has been on a regular eruption cycle of 600,000 years. The last eruption was 640,000 years ago...so the next is overdue. The next eruption could be 2,500 times the size of the 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption. Volcanologists have been tracking the movement of magma under the park and have calculated that in parts of Yellowstone the ground has risen over seventy centimeters this century. You can click on my signature for more information.
What's under yellowstone?
I was just up at the top a couple of weeks ago.
Nice view, I might add. Too bad I don't have any of the pics online...
Oh yea, it took me 6 hours to get to the top from the trailhead.
Most people infected with West Nile, it seems, dont know they are sick. They might have a slight cold for a bit. some get very, very sick, and die. But a significant portion even of the young and healthy get serious, debilitating, flu-like symptoms that can last for weeks. My cousin is case 4 in Tehama County, California, this summer. She first went into the hospital about 3 1/2 weeks ago, is home now, but is STILL feverish, week, achy, head-throbbing headache, and describing it as like having a serious flu.. which has now lasted 3 1/2 weeks, unabated. She is in her 30s, healthy as a (irony only partially intended) horse, has not missed a day of work for illness in the previous decade. West Nile shouldn't panic us, be we DAMN SURE should be taking it seriously. All of us.
Since there's no hurricanes right now, maybe we can get one of those on-camera meteorologists from the weather channel to cover this from the top of the mountain? I'd recommend Stephanie Abrams, but it's too cold up there for her to wear anything skin tight. Also, I'd hate to see her die. Jim Cantore, on the other hand...
Here is the real reason for the recent seismic activity at Mount St. Helens.
- Jasen.
... well, maybe. Depends on how much dust it tosses up. Seem to remember that Pinatubo affected the sunset when it blew in the early 90's.
I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
It's the giant flies we should be worrying about!!
and geologic vs historic time. There are "natural" (non-human) processes that both release and sequester CO2. Volcanos are part of those natural processes. Because they are discrete events, they have short-term effects and create small spikes in atmospheric carbon (and other gasses), but over time (decades, centuries) they average well enough that they are simply part of the natural equilibrium. That equilibrium has been relatively constant(within about 50 ppm? if I remember right) over the last 400,000 or so years. Human activity is taking carbon that was sesuestered over gelogical time, tens of millions of years of time, that time being up to 100 million or so years ago, and sequestered from an atmosphere that was significantly richer in carbon that ours is... and we are releasing significant parts of that sequestered carbon in HISTORIC time, over a century or two, and THAT is significantly raising the equibilibrium carbon concentration in the atmosphere.
Hey, Ray. Do you remember something in the Bible about the last days, when the dead would rise from the grave?
RAY
I remember Revelation 7:12. And I looked, as he opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became as black as sackcloth. And the moon became as blood.
WINSTON
And the seas boiled and the skies fell.
RAY
Judgment Day.
WINSTON
Judgment Day.
RAY
Every ancient religion has its own myth about the end of the world.
WINSTON
Myth? Ray, has it ever occurred to you that maybe the reason we've been so busy lately is because the dead have been rising from the grave? long pause
RAY
shivering
How about a little music?
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No matter how thin you slice it, its still baloney.
You can get much more information about Yellowstone's volcanos from the Yellowstone Volcanoe Observatory website.
Q.
Actually they upgraded to a 3 this morning, four is the highest. Monday on the news this was all no big deal, now the scientists seem a bit nervous. I work in Portland, no hysteria yet, the worry warts are quitely collecting supplies (we did yesterday, depsite living well south of Portland).
The real danger is a large earthquake or Mt. Hood deciding that being 16,000 years overdue for an eruption is long enough and getting in on the action. The South Sister in Central Oregon has a gigantic bulge at its base, they said that it would go within 10 years, it's been nearly 20. Timberline Ski Resort has been trying to find a buyer lately, if the cost goes down to below $100 we are taking an out of state trip:)
Moral of the story, have a 72 hour kit, you never know what services will be knocked out in an earthquake or something like this.
Forget about those "plagues".
If I lived in the USA (since there is where all these things are happening.), I would be scared of the death of the first born childs...
That's the only downsize to be the first born of your siblings...
Well, that and that your parents are newbies to all that parenthood crap...
I mean, your brothers or sisters must have come out better, don't you think ?
Ask a vulcanologist, they will tell you that the 1980s blast was not that big in eruption terms. It was mostly pyroclastic (isn't that the term for the hot gas eruption?) and was the equivalent of a loud burp compared to what could happen. I'm not even talking about worst cases like Mount Mazuma (now Crater Lake).
we need to get anne hashe, she can redirect the lava thru the storm drains so we can all be saved! ooh it getting hot around here anne, i think you need to take off all your clothes! OK! swweeeet! hey baby your looking kinda hot, wanna wrestle?
I posted some pictures from a trip last summer. We were able to climb up to the rim, which is currently restricted due to the new activity. The comment with the pictures is here.
MOD PARENT UP!
I love that quote and GHOSTBUSTERS!
Early this year, a warning system (a bit like the tsunami system in the Pacific) has been put in place between Rainier and Seattle.
Will it have the neat signs of someone running away from a wall of mud like the tsunami evacuation route signs? (I know, I shouldn't joke about such things, but I did find them extremely funny when I was out on the Oregon coast last summer).
As a state gets corrupt, its laws multiply; the most corrupt states have the most numerous laws. (Tacitus, Annales 3:27)
From USGS Volcano-Warning Schemes in the United States (These are specific to the Cascade Range volcanoes in Washington and Oregon.):
Notice of Volcanic Unrest Alert Level ONE
This alert level is declared by USGS-CVO when significant anomalous conditions are recognized that could be indicative of an eventual hazardous volcanic event. The most likely such anomalous condition would be sustained, elevated seismicity. A "notice of volcanic unrest" expresses concern about the potential for hazardous volcanic activity but does not imply imminent hazard. Among the possible outcomes are: (1) anomalous condition is determined not symptomatic of an eventual hazardous volcanic event, leading to cancellation of "notice of volcanic unrest;" (2) symptomatic activity wanes, leading to cancellation of the "notice of volcanic unrest;" (3) conditions evolve so as to indicate progress toward hazardous volcanic activity, leading to issuance of a "volcano advisory" or "volcano alert."
Volcano Advisory Alert Level TWO
This alert level is declared by USGS-CVO when monitoring and evaluation indicate that processes are underway that have significant likelihood of culminating in hazardous volcanic activity but when the evidence does not indicate that a life- or property-threatening event is imminent. This alert level is used to emphasize heightened concern about potential hazard. Among the possible outcomes are: (1) precursory activity wanes, leading either to cancellation of the "volcano advisory" or to a downgrade of alert level to "notice of volcanic unrest;" (2) conditions evolve so as to indicate that a life-threatening volcanic or hydrologic event is imminent or underway, leading to issuance of a "volcano alert." "Volcano advisory" statements, supplemented as appropriate by "updated volcano advisory" statements will clarify as fully as possible USGS-CVO understanding of the hazard implications.
Volcano Alert Alert Level THREE
This alert level is declared by USGS-CVO when monitoring and evaluation indicate that precursory events have escalated to the point where a volcanic event with attendant volcanologic or hydrologic hazards threatening to life and property appears imminent or is underway. Depending upon further developments, a "volcano alert" will be maintained, updated, downgraded to a "volcano advisory," or canceled. A "volcano alert" statement will indicate, in as much detail as possible, the time window, place, and expected impact of an anticipated hazardous event. "Updated volcano alert" statements will amplify hazard information as dictated by evolving conditions.
I for one welcome our hurricane smiting, locust plaguing, fire and brimestone smiting, famine war and disease overlords......
/.'s job!)
(I guess there was no mention about loss of broadband service during the apocalypse, because thats
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2000 Sasquatch in your immediate area.
Enjoy.
You mean cicadas?
They are harmless and tasty to animals.
Some of them show what looks clearly like expansion fractures in the pack ice/snow surrounding the dome. The images (beware, they're 1MB and higher) are:
m ag es/MSH_aerial_crater_dome_9-29-04.jpg
m ag es/MSH_crater_dome_glacier_west_side_9-29-04.jpg
ftp://ftpext.usgs.gov/pub/wr/wa/vancouver/MSH_I
and
ftp://ftpext.usgs.gov/pub/wr/wa/vancouver/MSH_I
Looks like some definate expansion and shifting is going on.
Just because you can mod me down, doesn't mean you're right. Shoes for industry!
Mod parent up. Grandparent post is wrong. Any quick Google search would show the same.
I remember that day vividly. I was ten years old and my dad and I were on our garage putting up a basketball hoop, at our home in Spokane, Washington. I remember looking at the sky and saw dark, dark clouds, and told my dad it looked like it was going to storm so we better hurry. Almost immediately after that our eyes started itching terribly. We quickly finished installing the basketball hoop and then went inside to clean up. Dad turned on the tv and we saw the news, the volcano had erupted.
Of course a little thing like a volcano couldnt keep my mother from dragging us to the local Fred Meyer for some shopping. On the way there, the ash started falling like snow. We were in there for about an hour. When we came out of the store we stopped in shock. Day had turned to night, and six inches of ash covered everything. We had to scoop it off our windows so we could drive home, and it was like driving through deep snow.
For days we were told to stay inside until they could determine if the ash was the dangerous kind to inhale, or the not so dangerous kind to inhale. Ultimately I ended up being cooped up in the house for two weeks. No school, no going outside. As a ten year old I just about detonated.
It sure was exciting, and somehow my parents made the whole thing kinda fun. We even built a paper mache volcano so my parents could explain to me what a volcano was and how it worked.
Another eruption would almost be nostalgic. As long as no one is hurt.
I love time on my hands, but I have to spend a lot of time at work.
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Does anyone remember
Ground water dosn't "tip." The lake is moving because part of the landscape on one side of the lake is rising. Naturally, the water tries to move downhill as the hill rises.
Don't forget Linus just moved here, too...
That's one heck of a wardrobe malfunction that coming!
"Like fire and fusion, government is a dangerous servant and a terrible master."~RAH
...less than a week ago, on Saturday Sept. 25th. There were a couple dozen quakes while I was on the mountain, but I didn't feel any of them as they were less than magnitude 2.5. Before we climbed, we were told not to look over the crater rim, as a steam explosion could hurl rocks at us. How counterproductive! Naturally, everyone looked anyway, because if there was an explosion, we wanted to see it. I climbed the mountain last year, and the weather was terrible. This time, it was perfectly clear, and I could actually see into the crater. (BIGGEST HOLE EVER) There were no signs of any gases escaping, although we could occasionally smell sulfur. It looked perfectly calm. Almost too calm... I live in Portland, and the winds say an ash cloud would head right towards us. I've got dust masks just in case...
Consider the supervolcanoes, like the one under Yellowstone, on a 600,000 year cycle and due to blow RSN, geologically speaking.
The last recent supervolcano class eruption was 70,000 years ago in Tova, which wiped out such a huge fraction of the human race that genetic historians note a bottleneck in the gene pool arising from that time.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
...or is that background weather on the webcam? I don't live near this volcano to know if this is a regular sight or not. Does St Helens push out steam clouds very often?
So... does this mean we've escalated from "Blackwatch Plaid" to "The Cover of Rush's 'Moving Pictures' Album" Alert Level? ha-HAH!!
It takes an idiot to do cool things - that's why it's cool!
If only I could...
There: Something at a specific location.
Their: Owned by someone.
Please make sure your english compiles.
"She's gone from suck to blow!"
U.S Authorities are looking for 2 suspects in connection with seismic activity at Mount ST Helen.
Law enforcement officials stated "2 people were seen in the area prior to the increase of seismic activities. We suspect they did something to cause this event."
Government officials declined to comment specifically, but did state "We will do everything within our power to protect our country and to bring swift justice to those who threaten or harm it."
When we visited the MSH visitor centers, one of the geologists from the days of original eruption was giving a talk about MSH. He describe how one day a about a year after the eruption had settled, a seismograph started going wild. A quick helicopter trip to the sight showed a moose using the seismograph housing as a scratching post. For all we know this could be blamed on the local wildlife settling in :-)
liquid, hot, "magma"
In particular the White House.
Living only an hour or two from the volcano the only thought running through my mind is.... Where'd I put the marshmallows! Roasting marshmallows on a lava flow is just too cool to pass up.
They were on Mount Adams.
They stayed up for a bit as the ash cloud came toward them. Then they felt static electricity as lightning came from the ash cloud!
Then they left real quick like.
gregg
Work Hard, Rock Hard, Eat Hard, Sleep Hard, Grow Big, Wear Glasses if You Need 'Em.
If the Cumbre Vieja volcano on La Palma blows, it will cause a mega-tsumani that will wipe out most of the US easern sea board.
http://www.fs.fed.us.nyud.net:8090/gpnf/volcanocam s/msh/