I'll use it because it is a legitimate concern jackass.
The law might not exist but one of the tenets of law enforcement agencies is "to protect and serve". If they did nothing while someone was taking pictures and that person ended up being part of some kind of terrorist scheme people would be up in arms that nothing was done.
I always find it interesting when people have this Utopian view of things when in reality risks have to be taken to ensure the world runs smoothly. Get your head out of your ass. Your civil liberties don't always trump the good intentions of the well meaning.
What use is your argument, when Amtrak literally invites people to take pictures:
"Photo contest winner to appear on Amtrak's 2004 wall calendar
WASHINGTON - Do you have the perfect photo of an Amtrak train or are you ready to snap it? One that makes anyone who sees it yearn to climb on board and travel across America? If so, it could become a part of an Amtrak tradition -- the corporation's annual wall calendar."
They should still be able to send the drives to a data recovery service and recover a lot, if not all, of the data that was overwritten, right?
AFAIK DriveSavers gave up on their data, and they have quite a reputation on data-recovery. To me it looks like the data (i.e. both drives) was overwritten.
Relax, it is normal to become a Grumpy Old Sysadmin. It hits us all after some time.
Why let's become a teacher in Mediatechnology! Same ignorance, yet 60 yrs less of age:) No, just kidding, these youngsters really like to hear these veteran-support-stories, they remember them and are nice to their colleague-students who study more artsy things. Yes, been in the trenches for years but crept out and now am instructing youngsters to improve me
Thats bloody insane. I cant understand for having to pay for what you receive AND send. If the postal system there worked that way people would be up in arms. Plus it means that crap like messages from random numbers makes you lose money.
Both the Canadian and the US phone-services work like that, or have plans that work like that. With a phonecall at least you can decide to not pick up the phone, but with an sms-textmessage you already accepted, and are charged thus. Postal services worked that way, at least until around the invention of the stamp.
This requires teachers be respected; that they not being treated as a second class citizen, as a glorified baby-sitter, and as the reason for all failures.
Disclaimer: I'm on my path to becoming an educator.
Welcome, there will be days that you will love it, there will be days you will hate it. Never let technology play a bigger part in your educating than you yourself. Be the lesson you want to teach, be the change you want to see.
Apple's products are vastly superior to Microsoft's.
Value judgment. I think that the Mac OS is much more secure and stable than Windows, but how do you judge the Zune against the iPod? There's no objective criterion there.
Microsoft has been convicted of anti-trust violations in federal court. Apple has not.
True, but irrelevant. They both engage in business tactics that screw their customers. If Apple were bigger, they'd probably get slapped around the same way Microsoft did.
Apple's monopoly power is in the portable music market. Microsoft's is in the desktop operating system market.
Again, true but irrelevant. They both engage in business tactics that screw their customers.
My argument is that they both smack around their customers. I'm wondering why geeks give one a pass while they rabidly fight the other.
Agree. The two orbits will continue to intersect if it's all in physics-land and everything is working on the same plane etc. This was, in fact, the central premise and punchline to an Arthur C Clarke short story called Jupiter V, it's very good and I recommend it. There you go, I must be right, fiction agrees with me.
And a grand story it was! SPOILERALERT
.But the subject in the story was kicked straight to the planets surface, so the circle-velocity (English no first language) would still be the same, hence the subject would somehow end up in the same orbit as the point of take-of. Somehow this reallife story suggests that the tool-thingy was not directly aimed at the planets surface, but near the movement plane of the space-station.
I would rather take a nice walk in the park and feed sqiuirrels
But 'Safari' sounds a lot cooler than 'Bag of Peanuts' as a name for a browser.
Their former browser was called "CyberDog", and it referred to a dog just strawling around the cyberspace. "Safari" also feels like a nice trip, but in less comfortable places. Just fyi'ing. Back on topic: the anti-phishing thingy was something I was waiting for: Mac-users aren't immune to phishing, whatever they say. I did the Sonicwall Phishing Test http://www.sonicwall.com/phishing/ with my class and none of my students passed. Most of them too gullible. Something Mac-users might or might not recognise. Good test though, absolutely worth taking!
Your sarcasm detector is miscalibrated. The "insightful" mod is correct, because what he actually said is: "If he had followed the law, this project would not have been possible. Copyright law extends too far."
Ah, my bad: if the Funny-mod would've stood out (instead of Insightful), my response would be probably about the same, yet very differently phrased. I strongly encourage youngsters to remain curious and have them try figure out the how and why of machines and computers. If laws have to be ignored, well, as long as no-one gets hurt..:)
This criminal mind has misappropriated proprietary copyrighted code by the Japanese company Busicom. If he can't wait until 70 years from the death of the author, i.e. until year 2100 or so, jail is too good for him. I hope they throw him to a bunch of radioactive mutated lawyers.
Sure, way to handle an enthousiast hobbyist! It's stuff like this that inspires kids to do "cool stuff" with things, and to go into computers. In the end it's better for the advancement of the industry. Whatever lawyers may say.
If it's staticly charged, flipping won't have the expected result. Plus flipping requires quite some energy (it has to flip back as well), plus we wouldn't want it to get stuck while it's upside-down, would we?
Has it anything got to do with the cult of the dead cow? www.cultdeadcow.com ? They got some internetattention for their BackOrifice stuff waaay back, AFAIK.
But what's the point? Is solitude or confinement working to create a positive net gain to society? Is the person leaving reformed? Is there even enough of an immediate connection between crime and punishment that the criminal is deterred from later criminal activity? The problem I see is that those who decry such measures as coddling, and who want tougher punishment, rarely propose anything aside from fewer amenities or more time-- "more of the same"-- without examination of whether "the same" is working, driven by the overwhelming inertia of the penitentiary idea being "the method" for criminal handling.
Three reasons for imprisonment:
1 Revenge for the victims
2 Punishment for the detainee
3 (Temporarily) withdrawal from society for re-education purposes
You may suggest something better (tested as 'effective'), and then we'll discuss yÃur proposal. Agreed?
but if we want to call ourselves a civilized society, we need to observe basic humanitarian standards.
with a simple thin client and internet access, inmates can be given free access to great quantities of information and also provided with a healthy level of mental stimuli. it'd be both cost effective/practical and humane. plus, giving inmates internet access would ensure that they had contact with the outside world (friends, family, legal counsel, etc.) without the risk of contraband being smuggled through.
this way we could ensure that the poor underprivileged minorities are subjected to a Kafkaesque nightmare where the prison system is just locking people up and throwing away the key, giving people no recourse for wrongful imprisonment or abuse by prison officials.
ÂFriends, family,..Â, as well as victims, outside gang-members et cetera. I think that putting the prisoner per default in the victim role is not going to go well in a society that has known some prisoner-pampering, and the response from the well-behaving citizen. The reference to Kafka is a nice one, but a very small minority of those references are correct. Most of the times the punishment is a deserved one. Most of the times the prisoner is a selfish person that only thought of bettering himself, regardless of the victim(s).
What I'd like to know is why anyone allows this joke of a human wastebag to file lawsuits ?
I'm all in support of a fair legal process, and inmates should be allowed the right to seek justice, but maybe they could have cut him off after the first dozen random suits, no ?
He's not actually showing how fucked up the legal system is, because no one is taking him seriously.
Completely right. According to modern society he's a nutter, and there should be some space around him where he and society don't intermix. He should not be taken too seriously, have proper medication and twice a week a visit from a nice and understanding person.
If it doesn't work by default on your laptop, someone did some specific development work on Windows to make it work. The machine almost certainly doesn't conform to ACPI specs. When a computer does, Linux works quite well. Thinkpads are usually very good about it.
My next laptop will be Ubuntu. Anyone keeping a list on hardware compatibility by manufacturer? I'd like to get a laptop I can count on for at least 6 to 8 years of dependable computability. I'd hate to have to stop getting the upgrades when I find out Ubuntu 10 works but 11 doesn't.
One company that I know of has a very limited set of hardware-parts, and I know from colleagues that their laptops run grand on Ubuntu. Hibernation, wifi, ieee1394, you name it: happy as bunnies. They're a bit pricey though, and replacing parts can get quite annoying, but they come with their own OS (not Microsoft) and are (in my experience) likely to last up to at least 5 years in software-upgrades. But like I said: they're not cheap, and ieee1394-support has been dropped in the cheaper models. But they double-boot like a charm.
RSS is a great way to help reduce bandwidth waste and a great way to read the news. I love RSS. I find having a program with all of my news feeds together is much more efficient for me than looking at the ten or so sites separately. It also has features like a quick search and allows me to read the news on my laptop when I don't have a net connection.
Not only are they great readers, but they also support CSS-Styled views...I can't stand RSS readers that look and behave like email clients.
Oops, you missed out Liferea (Linux). BUT (and thats one big BUT) though both Vienna and Liferea support browser-like eerm.. browsing (via the address-bar), a lot of rss-readers do not have the ability to block adverts by means of plugins or addons. Liferea offers the about:config, but I'm not sure how Vienna could handle this. I'd use an rss-reader only (in this handicapped internet situation) that downloads ONLY the full text, and nothing more.
Isn't it about time the hardware gets an upgrade? I know, they like their known issues and reliabilities, but I guess some Pentiums could be considered 'reliable', couldn't they?
So: how about stealing bandwith? It's of the same reality as pixels, but mostly without bodily harm. Does this make leeching someones wireless as punishable? Does it make bandwith a 'good'? Yes, I'm from Holland, and I'm just curious.
The fact that your fellow citizens will cheer as the feds waterboard the key out of you really puts that in perspective, though.
Not needed. M$ (and almost certainly the US government through a secret security letter) have full and almost unhindered access to every network connected windows, and possibly linux, box on earth.
To preempt one argument: No, they're not going to be easily detected - they'll use steganography for network traffic and only install the spying software (via M$ update) on "persons/countries of interest".
Encryption is pointless when they have the keys to your computer. They built it after all and the general population intuitively understands that.
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WGA. Guilty until proven innocent. For millions. Again and again.
Very interesting, care to elaborate on that? A nice bit of evidence would be well appreciated.
Fair enough, I should have said, "limited to being used with one OS." Out of fairness, can you name me any other small internet enabled device that is not a "netbook" that can run multiple OS's? Everything I can think of that falls in this class of device (PDA-ish or MP3 player with additional features) is locked to a propriety OS, be it OSX, WinCE, Palm, or something else.
Are you completely unfamiliar with Apache, or do you just not understand how the module system works? Apache is utterly useless without plugins.
dom
I was referring to Firefox, but yes: Apache would have quite few uses without plugins. I have some knowledge of modular systems, and I do hope that Apache will continu to function as expected in the proposed approach.
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I'll use it because it is a legitimate concern jackass.
The law might not exist but one of the tenets of law enforcement agencies is "to protect and serve". If they did nothing while someone was taking pictures and that person ended up being part of some kind of terrorist scheme people would be up in arms that nothing was done.
I always find it interesting when people have this Utopian view of things when in reality risks have to be taken to ensure the world runs smoothly. Get your head out of your ass. Your civil liberties don't always trump the good intentions of the well meaning.
What use is your argument, when Amtrak literally invites people to take pictures:
http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/am2Copy/News_Release_Page&c=am2Copy&cid=1081794202583
You did not even bother to read the summary, did you?
They should still be able to send the drives to a data recovery service and recover a lot, if not all, of the data that was overwritten, right?
AFAIK DriveSavers gave up on their data, and they have quite a reputation on data-recovery. To me it looks like the data (i.e. both drives) was overwritten.
Relax, it is normal to become a Grumpy Old Sysadmin. It hits us all after some time.
Why let's become a teacher in Mediatechnology! Same ignorance, yet 60 yrs less of age :) No, just kidding, these youngsters really like to hear these veteran-support-stories, they remember them and are nice to their colleague-students who study more artsy things. Yes, been in the trenches for years but crept out and now am instructing youngsters to improve me
Why are you drawing attention to it? Just let the moderation system do its job. It only takes one mod to drop an AC into -1 oblivion.
http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml#cm1100
Moderaters are supposed to read at a low threshold, to be able to remod someone up who has been downmodded without reason.
Thats bloody insane. I cant understand for having to pay for what you receive AND send. If the postal system there worked that way people would be up in arms. Plus it means that crap like messages from random numbers makes you lose money.
Both the Canadian and the US phone-services work like that, or have plans that work like that. With a phonecall at least you can decide to not pick up the phone, but with an sms-textmessage you already accepted, and are charged thus. Postal services worked that way, at least until around the invention of the stamp.
This requires teachers be respected; that they not being treated as a second class citizen, as a glorified baby-sitter, and as the reason for all failures.
Disclaimer: I'm on my path to becoming an educator.
Welcome, there will be days that you will love it, there will be days you will hate it. Never let technology play a bigger part in your educating than you yourself. Be the lesson you want to teach, be the change you want to see.
Apple's products are vastly superior to Microsoft's.
Value judgment. I think that the Mac OS is much more secure and stable than Windows, but how do you judge the Zune against the iPod? There's no objective criterion there.
Microsoft has been convicted of anti-trust violations in federal court. Apple has not.
True, but irrelevant. They both engage in business tactics that screw their customers. If Apple were bigger, they'd probably get slapped around the same way Microsoft did.
Apple's monopoly power is in the portable music market. Microsoft's is in the desktop operating system market.
Again, true but irrelevant. They both engage in business tactics that screw their customers.
My argument is that they both smack around their customers. I'm wondering why geeks give one a pass while they rabidly fight the other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zune#Availability_outside_the_U.S. 90% of humankind cannot buy a Zune, unless visiting the States or Canada. Please leave the Zune of this, or I'll be forced to mention... the Pippin!
Agree. The two orbits will continue to intersect if it's all in physics-land and everything is working on the same plane etc. This was, in fact, the central premise and punchline to an Arthur C Clarke short story called Jupiter V, it's very good and I recommend it. There you go, I must be right, fiction agrees with me.
And a grand story it was! SPOILERALERT
.But the subject in the story was kicked straight to the planets surface, so the circle-velocity (English no first language) would still be the same, hence the subject would somehow end up in the same orbit as the point of take-of. Somehow this reallife story suggests that the tool-thingy was not directly aimed at the planets surface, but near the movement plane of the space-station.
I would rather take a nice walk in the park and feed sqiuirrels
But 'Safari' sounds a lot cooler than 'Bag of Peanuts' as a name for a browser.
Their former browser was called "CyberDog", and it referred to a dog just strawling around the cyberspace. "Safari" also feels like a nice trip, but in less comfortable places. Just fyi'ing. Back on topic: the anti-phishing thingy was something I was waiting for: Mac-users aren't immune to phishing, whatever they say. I did the Sonicwall Phishing Test http://www.sonicwall.com/phishing/ with my class and none of my students passed. Most of them too gullible. Something Mac-users might or might not recognise. Good test though, absolutely worth taking!
Your sarcasm detector is miscalibrated. The "insightful" mod is correct, because what he actually said is: "If he had followed the law, this project would not have been possible. Copyright law extends too far."
Ah, my bad: if the Funny-mod would've stood out (instead of Insightful), my response would be probably about the same, yet very differently phrased. I strongly encourage youngsters to remain curious and have them try figure out the how and why of machines and computers. If laws have to be ignored, well, as long as no-one gets hurt.. :)
This criminal mind has misappropriated proprietary copyrighted code by the Japanese company Busicom. If he can't wait until 70 years from the death of the author, i.e. until year 2100 or so, jail is too good for him. I hope they throw him to a bunch of radioactive mutated lawyers.
Sure, way to handle an enthousiast hobbyist! It's stuff like this that inspires kids to do "cool stuff" with things, and to go into computers. In the end it's better for the advancement of the industry. Whatever lawyers may say.
("insightful": good grief)
Why can't they just flip the panels over?
If it's staticly charged, flipping won't have the expected result. Plus flipping requires quite some energy (it has to flip back as well), plus we wouldn't want it to get stuck while it's upside-down, would we?
Has it anything got to do with the cult of the dead cow? www.cultdeadcow.com ? They got some internetattention for their BackOrifice stuff waaay back, AFAIK.
But what's the point? Is solitude or confinement working to create a positive net gain to society? Is the person leaving reformed? Is there even enough of an immediate connection between crime and punishment that the criminal is deterred from later criminal activity? The problem I see is that those who decry such measures as coddling, and who want tougher punishment, rarely propose anything aside from fewer amenities or more time-- "more of the same"-- without examination of whether "the same" is working, driven by the overwhelming inertia of the penitentiary idea being "the method" for criminal handling.
Three reasons for imprisonment:
1 Revenge for the victims
2 Punishment for the detainee
3 (Temporarily) withdrawal from society for re-education purposes
You may suggest something better (tested as 'effective'), and then we'll discuss yÃur proposal. Agreed?
but if we want to call ourselves a civilized society, we need to observe basic humanitarian standards.
with a simple thin client and internet access, inmates can be given free access to great quantities of information and also provided with a healthy level of mental stimuli. it'd be both cost effective/practical and humane. plus, giving inmates internet access would ensure that they had contact with the outside world (friends, family, legal counsel, etc.) without the risk of contraband being smuggled through.
this way we could ensure that the poor underprivileged minorities are subjected to a Kafkaesque nightmare where the prison system is just locking people up and throwing away the key, giving people no recourse for wrongful imprisonment or abuse by prison officials.
ÂFriends, family,..Â, as well as victims, outside gang-members et cetera. I think that putting the prisoner per default in the victim role is not going to go well in a society that has known some prisoner-pampering, and the response from the well-behaving citizen. The reference to Kafka is a nice one, but a very small minority of those references are correct. Most of the times the punishment is a deserved one. Most of the times the prisoner is a selfish person that only thought of bettering himself, regardless of the victim(s).
What I'd like to know is why anyone allows this joke of a human wastebag to file lawsuits ?
I'm all in support of a fair legal process, and inmates should be allowed the right to seek justice, but maybe they could have cut him off after the first dozen random suits, no ?
He's not actually showing how fucked up the legal system is, because no one is taking him seriously.
Completely right. According to modern society he's a nutter, and there should be some space around him where he and society don't intermix. He should not be taken too seriously, have proper medication and twice a week a visit from a nice and understanding person.
I wander why it's always their battery?
If it doesn't work by default on your laptop, someone did some specific development work on Windows to make it work. The machine almost certainly doesn't conform to ACPI specs. When a computer does, Linux works quite well. Thinkpads are usually very good about it.
My next laptop will be Ubuntu. Anyone keeping a list on hardware compatibility by manufacturer? I'd like to get a laptop I can count on for at least 6 to 8 years of dependable computability. I'd hate to have to stop getting the upgrades when I find out Ubuntu 10 works but 11 doesn't.
One company that I know of has a very limited set of hardware-parts, and I know from colleagues that their laptops run grand on Ubuntu. Hibernation, wifi, ieee1394, you name it: happy as bunnies. They're a bit pricey though, and replacing parts can get quite annoying, but they come with their own OS (not Microsoft) and are (in my experience) likely to last up to at least 5 years in software-upgrades. But like I said: they're not cheap, and ieee1394-support has been dropped in the cheaper models. But they double-boot like a charm.
Too bad you didn't wait for the live-cd, always a nice hint of wether things will work or not.
RSS is a great way to help reduce bandwidth waste and a great way to read the news. I love RSS. I find having a program with all of my news feeds together is much more efficient for me than looking at the ten or so sites separately. It also has features like a quick search and allows me to read the news on my laptop when I don't have a net connection.
My suggestions for good and free clients are:
Windows: Feed Demon OS X: Vienna
Not only are they great readers, but they also support CSS-Styled views...I can't stand RSS readers that look and behave like email clients.
Oops, you missed out Liferea (Linux). BUT (and thats one big BUT) though both Vienna and Liferea support browser-like eerm.. browsing (via the address-bar), a lot of rss-readers do not have the ability to block adverts by means of plugins or addons. Liferea offers the about:config, but I'm not sure how Vienna could handle this. I'd use an rss-reader only (in this handicapped internet situation) that downloads ONLY the full text, and nothing more.
Isn't it about time the hardware gets an upgrade? I know, they like their known issues and reliabilities, but I guess some Pentiums could be considered 'reliable', couldn't they?
So: how about stealing bandwith? It's of the same reality as pixels, but mostly without bodily harm. Does this make leeching someones wireless as punishable? Does it make bandwith a 'good'? Yes, I'm from Holland, and I'm just curious.
The fact that your fellow citizens will cheer as the feds waterboard the key out of you really puts that in perspective, though.
Not needed. M$ (and almost certainly the US government through a secret security letter) have full and almost unhindered access to every network connected windows, and possibly linux, box on earth.
To preempt one argument: No, they're not going to be easily detected - they'll use steganography for network traffic and only install the spying software (via M$ update) on "persons/countries of interest".
Encryption is pointless when they have the keys to your computer. They built it after all and the general population intuitively understands that.
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WGA. Guilty until proven innocent. For millions. Again and again.
Very interesting, care to elaborate on that? A nice bit of evidence would be well appreciated.
Fair enough, I should have said, "limited to being used with one OS." Out of fairness, can you name me any other small internet enabled device that is not a "netbook" that can run multiple OS's? Everything I can think of that falls in this class of device (PDA-ish or MP3 player with additional features) is locked to a propriety OS, be it OSX, WinCE, Palm, or something else.
Insightful sir, I appreciate your post.
Are you completely unfamiliar with Apache, or do you just not understand how the module system works? Apache is utterly useless without plugins.
dom
I was referring to Firefox, but yes: Apache would have quite few uses without plugins. I have some knowledge of modular systems, and I do hope that Apache will continu to function as expected in the proposed approach.