Strangely enough, i'm from Philadelphia - I've at least _seen_ UDel's campus (or parts of it, anyway). Yeah, but in my last Little Catastrophe, as I came to (in the middle of the road), I was met by two gorgeous women who had come to my rescue. They walked me home (despite my embarassed suggestions not to).
The aftermath: My bike is a little messed up, my shoulder hurts, my glasses put a nice gash in my eyebrow, and my helmet is cracked. But I remember everything!
(I had been leaning too far forward while my front tire plunged into a pothole).
I just flipped over my handlebars going about that fast on Friday. I landed on my nogen. Head wounds are the best. It woulda been pretty bad without my helmet.
Well, when some people believe in something, they actually stand by it. It's called having convictions.
I play all the cool Loki games. I don't use WINE.
/. gained it's popularity in part because of it's anti-Microsoft stance. They should not "drop the crusade" - maybe you should try going to a historically Microsoft-friendly place if you want to feel more at-home.
I've been thinking about moving to Canada for political reasons. That is, in light of our new cowboy dumbass president (well, not only that, of course).
He's already started shitting on our women's right to chose (by cutting the funding to non-profit abortion counseling groups).
And this is where it begins...
hrm.. well dernit mebbe Canada ain't so good neither. Time to suck it up and learn another language... Europe it is!
Uhh, that you can spend the other super power out of existence like that? The USSR didn't just fall down; it was pushed.
I wasn't referring to Reagan's buildup of arms. I was referring to Star Wars - a miserable failure.
I'm not *to* worried about shooting down sofas lobbed into ballistic trajectories . . .
The pr0n filter catches tan sofas, not the defense system.
The velocity is a *wee* bit different
Well, you'd think that would be accounted for, but the test star wars-esque systems we have today _cannot_ tell the difference between a missile and a weather balloon (with similar size and reflective properties). They have repeatedly failed these tests.
This misunderstands the nature of the defense. The system (and this applies specifically to the old USSR, but also to others) doesn't need to be 100%, but rather enough to interfere with the attack.
I don't follow... Either the missile is detected and altered (destroyed or course change) en route, or it isn't. If it isn't, the system has failed.
Where is my misunderstanding?
Okay, I'm going to agree that NASA has had quite the large budget and that the money used in space could go towards some more immediately satisfying things. But Dubya is _not_ that man to decide where that money goes!
See, I think what will end up happening is that NASA will come down from space, while the military goes into space. Star Wars again?! Man, I mean didn't they learn anything the first time around? What the hell - Nuclear powers (ha! that's the US..) aren't even considered our biggest threat anymore. How is a laser probing sattelite going to prevent this voodoo terrorism everyone's blathering on about these days? To me, a missile defense system like star wars suffers many of the same problems as pr0n filters. Sure, they can catch titties, but they also catch baby's butts, or a picture of somone's tattoo, or a tan sofa... These missile detectors don't know the difference between a missile and a weather balloon. Much less a missile and an identical decoy missile coming from the same vacinity. We learned that the hard way in the 80's, now we're about to give it the ol' Texas try in the 00's! Man, I'm moving to Canada:)
Okay agreed, I don't _want_ to walk into a meth lab:)
I will say, however, that I've been on my share of expeditions in my own city (Philadelphia). I had no idea that urban exploration was a _common_ thing to do:) As long as I'm careful about where I go - I don't feel like I'm in (too much) danger.
I think it could be very different and possibly dangerous to explore abandoned row houses or something to that effect. It's a more private environment, which means that someone very well may consider it home. Those aren't the places to go for... But I think wondering around in abandoned public or otherwise big places is quite safe in comparison (at least with regard to ruffians).
I grew up in Hampton Roads, by the way - near Hampton.
The only exploration I remember doing in good ol' VA was in high school. We went to a small abandoned military landing strip (or airport??). We only explored two concrete ammo storage bins. That was a popular place for high school kids, tho. While on the roof of it, I slipped and got someone's broken beer bottle bits thoroughly embedded in both hands. There was no flashlight, so i had to wait to get back to the car to take care of it. It was a chore climbing down the tree next to the side of the building with both hands... bloody. eww. I don't remember where it was, but somewhere in Newport News I think. (jefferson ave or warwick blvd??)
But I agree, one can't be stupid doing urban exploration. If you're not good on your feet and doubt you can talk your way out of a sticky situation (even with barrels of adrenalin pumping through you), think twice. Otherwise, try it! Grok your city!
"For some of us, just the thrill of peeking behind the scenes of life is enough. Add to that the challenge of evading the law and pushing personal and societal boundaries. Toss in the opportunity to indulge a childish urge to run around like Indiana Jones. And it's too much to resist."
My point is this:
It's different when you're in the heat of the moment and your adrenalin is a pumpin'. You think about danger and all, but you don't care so much. It's been weeks since you've been this alive. It depends on the situation, of course.
I think it's a misconception that there are a bunch of angry homeless and other such characters with knives and guns just roaming around, waiting to confront somebody. This is largely in thanks to the movie industry.
From the infiltration article: they saw hash dealers, but there was nothing even resembling a confrontation. The hash dealers didn't care that the guys were down there exploring. Shit, the hash dealers themselves have had the exhilerating feeling of exploring that place.
Say one were to run into a scene like a meth lab. It's my opinion that that doesn't necessarily need to be considered dangerous. As long as one explains what they're doing (exploring) and doesn't act like they're going to turn the meth'ers in or anything, everything's cool IMHO.
I know it's not for some people, but let me tell you it sure puts a nice cap on the boring 9-5 life that most of us live.
I discovered this about 6 months ago. A friend was just wondering around our neighborhood and came across this big brick wall. He came back and told me, so we went over that night to climb over it. On the other side was the Naval Asylum. We live in Philadelphia, by the way.
It was built in the 1820's to house US Naval officers no longer able to care for themselves. It's just been sitting there since 1976, when it was abandoned. The Naval Home (new PC name) is now in Georgia if I'm not mistaken.
Anyway, we've made quite a few visits to this place. The back yard is fantastic. It's extremely overgrown, but in the middle is an almost-defunct gazebo. On either side of the main building are two large houses. One housed the "governor" of the complex, and I forget who the other was for.
The first time we went, we explored the inside of the main building a little - we first walked in through a back entrance into the old cafeteria. We went down a long hallway which traversed the building front-back. It intersected with two looooooong hallways, going side to side through the building. Well, we got to the front of the building and noticed that we were stnading about 10 feet from a collapsed floor. That, and the fact that our only flashlight's batteries weren't working led us to a near panic, but we managed to calmly walk out of the *dark* building until we figuratively pee'd out pants. So, we went home for a lantern and batteries (and a stock of beer - to get sufficiently drunk).
The second visit, later into the same night, led us throughout the building. A few of the interesting things we found are:
o Three small rooms labled "Special Care Room #1", "Special Care Room #2", and "Medication Room"
o A calendar, left hanging on the wall and on the month of November, 1976 (same month the place was abandoned).
o The central room of the building - round with a tall (about 3 stories tall) arched ceiling. Windows from higher floors look out into the room (making the room a bit more scary to be standing in).
o Scattered all over the floor of the central room were "Request for Dismissal" slips, all signed and dated in the 60's and 70's.
We stayed long enough on this visit to sit on the back balcony and watch the sun rise over the Schylkill, Philadelphia's main river.
The overall feeling this place produces is definately eerie. The paint is peeling from the walls and ceilings everywhere. Paint chips cover the tiled floors so it's impossible to walk quietly (for better or worse). There are a few areas (hallway intersections, central room, etc) where it's impossible to see everything at once - especially with only single-beam flashlights. The thought of crazed Naval officers from pre-Civil War through post-Vietnam eras living and dying within the same walls is also a little spooky...
On subsequent visits, we did more exploring of the main building, but we also explored one of the mansions next to it. We didn't go too far into the house, as most of it had already collapsed (ceiling beams, staircases, etc) We did get around the entirety of the first floor and the basement. In the kitchen was the skeleton of a cat, with fur still placed naturally, making it look almost alive...
I had no idea these "infiltration" groups existed. I'm making plans (as of now) to go back and do a photography project at this complex. When that happens, I'll surely create a site and post everthing I've got.
Is there by chance an "epidemic" on the Clavius section of moon, preventing even emergency landings of Russian spacecraft? I think some gentlemen up there in space suits have uncovered a geometric black artifact and shown it to the sun, awaking it from it's 4 million year slumber.
So I wonder if Stanley's spirit is rubbing it into Arthur's face, being that the sounds have come from Jupiter, not Saturn. Then again, the Cassini is only swinging around Jupiter for a gravity speed boost, en route to Saturn, coinciding with Arthur's version....
kinda funny, I came to work today with the reluctant intention of ordering one of these.. Glad this was posted here on the ol'/.
Anyway, I've heard good things about the DVD-playing capability of these players, but apparently the MP3 side leaves a lot to be desired. MP3.com did a write-up on it here. It focuses on the mp3 portion of the player (duh:) ).
(From the review)
A few notes:
Expect a delay of anywhere from 20 to 45 seconds for your disc to be recognized, depending on the amount of songs and complexity of your folder tree. (Folders nested within folders will increase the delay).
Only the first session of a multisession burn will be recognized.
On CDs with both audio and MP3 files, only the audio will be recognized.
Fast-forwarding and rewinding within tracks is disabled for MP3 CDs.
The random function also is disabled. But you can create a program of music by pulling tracks into a playlist of sorts.
Navigating to a particular song is nearly impossible. To get from track 50 to 150, you must subject yourself to repetitive stress injuries.
File names were truncated at eight characters. With CDs burned to support longer names (ISO9660 Level 2 format), the Aiwa can handle the first 14 characters).
Some but not all VBR tracks were supported.
At the last song in a folder, it did not skip to the next folder. In other words, all those CDs you burned in folders to be more compatible with your Kenwood Z919 will cause nothing but headaches in this pup.
If you somehow created CDs with more than 256 songs per disc, they will not play.
So it sounds okay to me as long as one doesn't already have gobs off CDR's formatted in a certain way. In other words, if one burns the mp3 CDR's knowing these limitations, it should be okay.
Anyone have any experience with this player? I'm pretty new to DVD circles..
talk to your boss.. get a long lunch break. vote.
don't make lame excuses like this, man. when an election comes around once in every 4 years, people _make_ time in their day to vote. why don't you cut the crap and do the same.
if your boss gets pissed, fuck 'em.
you will _not_ lose your job for voting in a presidential election.. no boss/company is that stupid these days.
yeah, i noticed that a few weeks ago when i was looking for domain names. I found about ten from 1998 and a few from 1997.
Now when this guy's rich, i'll be thinking "it coulda been me" heh oh well
Okay, Gore's response to this issue is terrible (and scary), but you've turned that into something which justifies Bush's stance! I might get pretty worked up about what Bush said last night if i thought it was something more than yet another brain-dead hot-air response from The Idiot.
Here's what I say:
Don't _settle_ for either of them!
Neither response was anything in the ballpark of what i'd like to hear. I'm not going to sit around and say, "Well, Bore's was scary, but Gush's wasn't quite as bad." We do have options! Take the one you actually like! Be it NAder, Browne, McReynolds, a write-in....
well, storm linux (http://www.stormix.com/)is pretty much that. It's based on Debian, and has implemented a new (very graphical and very nice.. looking) installer as well as other hey-that's-pretty-neat features much like Mandrake does with Redhat.
Office is a *huge* reason why MS virtually has a monopoly on the workplace workstations. It has become the standard suite that is used just about everywhere. Why? because that's what all the new employees will be comfortable with - they used it in training or in high school, etc.
If MS ported Office to Linux, they would be destroying this little empire they've so deviously created which ensures Windows' marketshare.
so i was just curious if anybody out there is completely boycotting MICROS~1. I know a lot of people (myself included) who boycott things like pepsi/coke, GE, GM, Exxon-Mobil/Texaco/Shell/BP-Amoco/Chevron (man, those oil companies all suck, ehh), things from Burma, things from Taiwan, animal flesh/products, things that "require" testing on animals, etc.. I recently started a boycott of MICROS~1 because i feel like they, as a corrupt corporate entity, deserve it just as much as anything else in the above list. I thought it was a bit strange that i've never heard of anybody else boycotting MICROS~1. Are there any others out there? if so, how have you done it? how far have you taken it? anybody change jobs or schools (yes, my current school is in bed with the evil empire) based on the allmighty ethics?
Psion, thanks for the delightful read! That beaver giving a dam dam part had me rolling....and yes, I think there are some industrial soaps for washing evil off...although I've heard they leave a sticky residue, something about guilt or consience I think:)
At any rate I think what you've said makes sense. The only part I "had beef" with was the veal section. Whether or not they are blissfully ignorant, it's wrong to treat them that way simply so we can eat tender meat. That is something no other animal does. And you were right about being evil, that's the way it sounds to me as well. The big problem I have, though, is that nobody knows and as a result, they themselves are blissfully ignorant. I think that if everybody in America could see this photo* (see below) and then decide whether or not to dig into their veal meal, a good percentage would opt against it.
* If you don't want to look it's a calf lying in feces, not able to move, muscles in atrophy.
So I guess what I'm saying is that maybe both the humans and the animals are ignorant, but only one of the two is blissful. There are some of us (including the two of us) who have thought about these issues, but over half the people I associate with through work, school, etc. never do (maybe I should move?:) It's easier to not think about it. Anyway, thanks for the reason...and the optimism!
By the way, I was just watching the local "news" (in Philadelphia) and a trailor just bellied up on the highway. It was carrying 10,000 pounds of pig meat, all ruined now. Suddenly I feel sick...
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Strangely enough, i'm from Philadelphia - I've at least _seen_ UDel's campus (or parts of it, anyway). Yeah, but in my last Little Catastrophe, as I came to (in the middle of the road), I was met by two gorgeous women who had come to my rescue. They walked me home (despite my embarassed suggestions not to).
The aftermath: My bike is a little messed up, my shoulder hurts, my glasses put a nice gash in my eyebrow, and my helmet is cracked. But I remember everything!
(I had been leaning too far forward while my front tire plunged into a pothole).
I just flipped over my handlebars going about that fast on Friday. I landed on my nogen. Head wounds are the best. It woulda been pretty bad without my helmet.
Well, when some people believe in something, they actually stand by it. It's called having convictions.
I play all the cool Loki games. I don't use WINE.
/. gained it's popularity in part because of it's anti-Microsoft stance. They should not "drop the crusade" - maybe you should try going to a historically Microsoft-friendly place if you want to feel more at-home.
jeez...
I've been thinking about moving to Canada for political reasons. That is, in light of our new cowboy dumbass president (well, not only that, of course).
He's already started shitting on our women's right to chose (by cutting the funding to non-profit abortion counseling groups).
And this is where it begins...
hrm.. well dernit mebbe Canada ain't so good neither. Time to suck it up and learn another language... Europe it is!
Uhh, that you can spend the other super power out of existence like that? The USSR didn't just fall down; it was pushed.
I wasn't referring to Reagan's buildup of arms. I was referring to Star Wars - a miserable failure.
I'm not *to* worried about shooting down sofas lobbed into ballistic trajectories . . .
The pr0n filter catches tan sofas, not the defense system.
The velocity is a *wee* bit different
Well, you'd think that would be accounted for, but the test star wars-esque systems we have today _cannot_ tell the difference between a missile and a weather balloon (with similar size and reflective properties). They have repeatedly failed these tests.
This misunderstands the nature of the defense. The system (and this applies specifically to the old USSR, but also to others) doesn't need to be 100%, but rather enough to interfere with the attack.
I don't follow... Either the missile is detected and altered (destroyed or course change) en route, or it isn't. If it isn't, the system has failed.
Where is my misunderstanding?
nyuk nyuk /. crowd - everybody's always in such wonderful moods!
I sure do love the
Okay, I'm going to agree that NASA has had quite the large budget and that the money used in space could go towards some more immediately satisfying things. But Dubya is _not_ that man to decide where that money goes!
:)
See, I think what will end up happening is that NASA will come down from space, while the military goes into space. Star Wars again?! Man, I mean didn't they learn anything the first time around? What the hell - Nuclear powers (ha! that's the US..) aren't even considered our biggest threat anymore. How is a laser probing sattelite going to prevent this voodoo terrorism everyone's blathering on about these days? To me, a missile defense system like star wars suffers many of the same problems as pr0n filters. Sure, they can catch titties, but they also catch baby's butts, or a picture of somone's tattoo, or a tan sofa... These missile detectors don't know the difference between a missile and a weather balloon. Much less a missile and an identical decoy missile coming from the same vacinity. We learned that the hard way in the 80's, now we're about to give it the ol' Texas try in the 00's! Man, I'm moving to Canada
Okay agreed, I don't _want_ to walk into a meth lab :)
:) As long as I'm careful about where I go - I don't feel like I'm in (too much) danger.
I will say, however, that I've been on my share of expeditions in my own city (Philadelphia). I had no idea that urban exploration was a _common_ thing to do
I think it could be very different and possibly dangerous to explore abandoned row houses or something to that effect. It's a more private environment, which means that someone very well may consider it home. Those aren't the places to go for... But I think wondering around in abandoned public or otherwise big places is quite safe in comparison (at least with regard to ruffians).
I grew up in Hampton Roads, by the way - near Hampton.
The only exploration I remember doing in good ol' VA was in high school. We went to a small abandoned military landing strip (or airport??). We only explored two concrete ammo storage bins. That was a popular place for high school kids, tho. While on the roof of it, I slipped and got someone's broken beer bottle bits thoroughly embedded in both hands. There was no flashlight, so i had to wait to get back to the car to take care of it. It was a chore climbing down the tree next to the side of the building with both hands... bloody. eww. I don't remember where it was, but somewhere in Newport News I think. (jefferson ave or warwick blvd??)
But I agree, one can't be stupid doing urban exploration. If you're not good on your feet and doubt you can talk your way out of a sticky situation (even with barrels of adrenalin pumping through you), think twice. Otherwise, try it! Grok your city!
This quote from http://www.thespoon.com/trainhop/ pretty much sums it up for me
"For some of us, just the thrill of peeking behind the scenes of life is enough. Add to that the challenge of evading the law and pushing personal and societal boundaries. Toss in the opportunity to indulge a childish urge to run around like Indiana Jones. And it's too much to resist."
My point is this:
It's different when you're in the heat of the moment and your adrenalin is a pumpin'. You think about danger and all, but you don't care so much. It's been weeks since you've been this alive. It depends on the situation, of course.
I think it's a misconception that there are a bunch of angry homeless and other such characters with knives and guns just roaming around, waiting to confront somebody. This is largely in thanks to the movie industry.
From the infiltration article: they saw hash dealers, but there was nothing even resembling a confrontation. The hash dealers didn't care that the guys were down there exploring. Shit, the hash dealers themselves have had the exhilerating feeling of exploring that place.
Say one were to run into a scene like a meth lab. It's my opinion that that doesn't necessarily need to be considered dangerous. As long as one explains what they're doing (exploring) and doesn't act like they're going to turn the meth'ers in or anything, everything's cool IMHO.
I know it's not for some people, but let me tell you it sure puts a nice cap on the boring 9-5 life that most of us live.
That's exactly what makes it fun! (except for the "meth lab/crack den" part - I think that's a little far-fetched).
I discovered this about 6 months ago. A friend was just wondering around our neighborhood and came across this big brick wall. He came back and told me, so we went over that night to climb over it. On the other side was the Naval Asylum. We live in Philadelphia, by the way.
It was built in the 1820's to house US Naval officers no longer able to care for themselves. It's just been sitting there since 1976, when it was abandoned. The Naval Home (new PC name) is now in Georgia if I'm not mistaken.
Anyway, we've made quite a few visits to this place. The back yard is fantastic. It's extremely overgrown, but in the middle is an almost-defunct gazebo. On either side of the main building are two large houses. One housed the "governor" of the complex, and I forget who the other was for.
The first time we went, we explored the inside of the main building a little - we first walked in through a back entrance into the old cafeteria. We went down a long hallway which traversed the building front-back. It intersected with two looooooong hallways, going side to side through the building. Well, we got to the front of the building and noticed that we were stnading about 10 feet from a collapsed floor. That, and the fact that our only flashlight's batteries weren't working led us to a near panic, but we managed to calmly walk out of the *dark* building until we figuratively pee'd out pants. So, we went home for a lantern and batteries (and a stock of beer - to get sufficiently drunk).
The second visit, later into the same night, led us throughout the building. A few of the interesting things we found are:
o Three small rooms labled "Special Care Room #1", "Special Care Room #2", and "Medication Room"
o A calendar, left hanging on the wall and on the month of November, 1976 (same month the place was abandoned).
o The central room of the building - round with a tall (about 3 stories tall) arched ceiling. Windows from higher floors look out into the room (making the room a bit more scary to be standing in).
o Scattered all over the floor of the central room were "Request for Dismissal" slips, all signed and dated in the 60's and 70's.
We stayed long enough on this visit to sit on the back balcony and watch the sun rise over the Schylkill, Philadelphia's main river.
The overall feeling this place produces is definately eerie. The paint is peeling from the walls and ceilings everywhere. Paint chips cover the tiled floors so it's impossible to walk quietly (for better or worse). There are a few areas (hallway intersections, central room, etc) where it's impossible to see everything at once - especially with only single-beam flashlights. The thought of crazed Naval officers from pre-Civil War through post-Vietnam eras living and dying within the same walls is also a little spooky...
On subsequent visits, we did more exploring of the main building, but we also explored one of the mansions next to it. We didn't go too far into the house, as most of it had already collapsed (ceiling beams, staircases, etc) We did get around the entirety of the first floor and the basement. In the kitchen was the skeleton of a cat, with fur still placed naturally, making it look almost alive...
I had no idea these "infiltration" groups existed. I'm making plans (as of now) to go back and do a photography project at this complex. When that happens, I'll surely create a site and post everthing I've got.
Is there by chance an "epidemic" on the Clavius section of moon, preventing even emergency landings of Russian spacecraft? I think some gentlemen up there in space suits have uncovered a geometric black artifact and shown it to the sun, awaking it from it's 4 million year slumber.
So I wonder if Stanley's spirit is rubbing it into Arthur's face, being that the sounds have come from Jupiter, not Saturn. Then again, the Cassini is only swinging around Jupiter for a gravity speed boost, en route to Saturn, coinciding with Arthur's version....
just to let peeps know...
i got the unit and am very pleased with it. i threw in some old mp3 CDR's and they worked. that's what i was hoping for.
the DVD picture is amazing
that works out to about +12 days per year. pretty close, but how do we account for it?
I can't seem to find anywhere that highlights that this model plays mp3's.
Do you know this to be true?
Glad this was posted here on the ol'
Anyway, I've heard good things about the DVD-playing capability of these players, but apparently the MP3 side leaves a lot to be desired. MP3.com did a write-up on it here. It focuses on the mp3 portion of the player (duh
(From the review)
A few notes:
So it sounds okay to me as long as one doesn't already have gobs off CDR's formatted in a certain way. In other words, if one burns the mp3 CDR's knowing these limitations, it should be okay.
Anyone have any experience with this player? I'm pretty new to DVD circles..
oh my lord, i have found the world's largest asshole!
talk to your boss.. get a long lunch break. vote.
don't make lame excuses like this, man. when an election comes around once in every 4 years, people _make_ time in their day to vote. why don't you cut the crap and do the same.
if your boss gets pissed, fuck 'em.
you will _not_ lose your job for voting in a presidential election.. no boss/company is that stupid these days.
i was first in my precinct. ..heh
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oh, you mean i'm not voting on slashdot?...
yeah, i noticed that a few weeks ago when i was looking for domain names. I found about ten from 1998 and a few from 1997.
Now when this guy's rich, i'll be thinking "it coulda been me" heh oh well
Okay, Gore's response to this issue is terrible (and scary), but you've turned that into something which justifies Bush's stance! I might get pretty worked up about what Bush said last night if i thought it was something more than yet another brain-dead hot-air response from The Idiot.
Here's what I say:
Don't _settle_ for either of them!
Neither response was anything in the ballpark of what i'd like to hear. I'm not going to sit around and say, "Well, Bore's was scary, but Gush's wasn't quite as bad." We do have options! Take the one you actually like! Be it NAder, Browne, McReynolds, a write-in....
well, storm linux (http://www.stormix.com/)is pretty much that. It's based on Debian, and has implemented a new (very graphical and very nice.. looking) installer as well as other hey-that's-pretty-neat features much like Mandrake does with Redhat.
Office is a *huge* reason why MS virtually has a monopoly on the workplace workstations. It has become the standard suite that is used just about everywhere. Why? because that's what all the new employees will be comfortable with - they used it in training or in high school, etc.
If MS ported Office to Linux, they would be destroying this little empire they've so deviously created which ensures Windows' marketshare.
so i was just curious if anybody out there is completely boycotting MICROS~1. I know a lot of people (myself included) who boycott things like pepsi/coke, GE, GM, Exxon-Mobil/Texaco/Shell/BP-Amoco/Chevron (man, those oil companies all suck, ehh), things from Burma, things from Taiwan, animal flesh/products, things that "require" testing on animals, etc.. I recently started a boycott of MICROS~1 because i feel like they, as a corrupt corporate entity, deserve it just as much as anything else in the above list. I thought it was a bit strange that i've never heard of anybody else boycotting MICROS~1. Are there any others out there? if so, how have you done it? how far have you taken it? anybody change jobs or schools (yes, my current school is in bed with the evil empire) based on the allmighty ethics?
Psion, thanks for the delightful read! That beaver giving a dam dam part had me rolling....and yes, I think there are some industrial soaps for washing evil off...although I've heard they leave a sticky residue, something about guilt or consience I think :)
:) It's easier to not think about it. Anyway, thanks for the reason...and the optimism!
At any rate I think what you've said makes sense. The only part I "had beef" with was the veal section. Whether or not they are blissfully ignorant, it's wrong to treat them that way simply so we can eat tender meat. That is something no other animal does. And you were right about being evil, that's the way it sounds to me as well. The big problem I have, though, is that nobody knows and as a result, they themselves are blissfully ignorant. I think that if everybody in America could see this photo* (see below) and then decide whether or not to dig into their veal meal, a good percentage would opt against it.
* If you don't want to look it's a calf lying in feces, not able to move, muscles in atrophy.
So I guess what I'm saying is that maybe both the humans and the animals are ignorant, but only one of the two is blissful. There are some of us (including the two of us) who have thought about these issues, but over half the people I associate with through work, school, etc. never do (maybe I should move?
By the way, I was just watching the local "news" (in Philadelphia) and a trailor just bellied up on the highway. It was carrying 10,000 pounds of pig meat, all ruined now. Suddenly I feel sick...