You really do not see the problem? Strange. We have discovers atoms, we use them, we manipulate them. We've yet to discover a supernatural being of any actual manifestation that can't be attributed to someone's overactive, dull, imagination.
Atoms are real. If you can assume consciousness is real then I would think that you'd have no problem accepting that. This "image" you speak of pretty means something different to each of us. Hardly an objective stance to take.
"Atheism not only can't explain it, but it isn't possible for it to do so... that's the problem." How do you know?
"Well, one could argue that you can't avoid religion BECAUSE of logic." We've seen the arguments that lead to religion being illogical. So far you've provided only assumptions. So please, argue away.
Biblical inerrancy is, at best, an assumption. From the second paragraph on wikipedia: "Advocates of biblical inerrancy take the position that although none of the original manuscripts currently exist, scholars are able to produce a product that is as near as possible to the original and that it can confidently be said to be the authoritative Word of God." Is this really your argument?
ID, yet another assumption based on another assumption based on another assumption based on... what?
Leaving "resurrection" out of it, the Big Bang is thought to be a quantum event. Currently observable quantum events do not require that there always be a cause (time is not always a factor -- see radio active decay). Should the universe have been infinitesimally small, as we currently think, then at some point in the past, time would not exist as it does now (we know that the rate in which one experiences or "sees" time depends on ones reference frame because of Einstein). When time looses its meaning, so does causality. Nothing here needs anything supernatural.
Good luck with that, as programming is the development of mathematical concepts mapped to physical hardware. You cannot write a statement without knowing, at least, some very basic mathematical implications. Also, have a look at Haskell. One of the greatest debates going on right now in regards to software is whether it's pure mathematics (non patentable, if you will), or not. I would like to see some evidence, a simple program, that has NOTHING to do with mathematics. Everything from I/O to physical simulation is a breakdown of tried, tested, and true, mathematical formula. They all ultimately reduce to counting bits and addressing them using simple basic mathematical operations (BEDMAS).
I would argue that I know rather a bit more about evolution than most
Then by all means, prove it. Thus far, the only thing demonstrated has been your lack of knowledge. Ironically, it is your rhetoric that feels "shoved down my throat". On the one hand we have a pile of evidence and a concrete basis for an interpretation. On the other you have your arguments for that same evidence to be interpreted differently without a concrete basis to start the analysis from.
My point is it wasn't "one guy". As in, there could have been Jesus the thief, Jesus the traitor, Jesus the adulterer, Jesus the (whatever crime he committed), all potentially being executed on the same day.
The source of wind's motion that causes additional movements in ocean currents, and ocean currents themselves is the sun. Feel free to rebuke that, but the original point remains -- no sun, no current.
Then the premise of the story is that it's to be ignored, and that's very non-Christian. The flood sets out a cause and effect, a relationship of debt much like the Exodus from Egypt. If you ignore the flood as global, then you must ignore your indebtedness to God for allowing your familial roots to survive it. I really hope that it isn't that difficult to see the shortsightedness of this particular world view.
Those are things that lack actual objective definition. Most of these words are only ever understood intuitively and subjectively. Therefore these are not candidates to support nor refute an objective position on the matter.
OK, here, I will have to contend, though I do share your overall world view. It's not plausible to suggest that cause and effect are the foundation. Our current research strongly suggest that at the quantum level such a system breaks down. As far as we know, spontaneity/randomness is a very real thing, (the mathematics point to an effect without a cause) and this is currently the suggested interpretation of the big bang. This leads to the school of thought of "it exists because it can exist". I will say there is still an overwhelmingly large gap in our understanding. I will, however, point out that we did not get to this realization by accident, rather, by observation.
This will only highlight the absurdity that is that test. I have yet to see any form of loyalty built up by making individuals feel inferior. The test itself is pointless. The ignorance displayed by those who are born here is staggering. On average, Immigrants that pass the test tend to display more knowledge about the nation and its history than those born into it. This is stupid as it diminishes opportunities for those who can contribute to the system, and increases opportunities for individuals who leach off of it. Just like "no child left behind". It's a great sound bite, until you comprehend the consequences.
This, of course, means nothing. One cannot counter any sort of extremism on-line, Islamic or otherwise. The whole premise stinks of naivety-sm. Alas, this is really why we wont see a solution to the problem. Those responsible view the world through children's eyes.
What is this evidence. Each time I am faced with this evidence, its only to discover that it's just circular, baseless, logic. I'd sincerely love to have some provided.
There is nothing in those records to say that it was the same individual, regardless of actual deistic position. Many individuals carried the name Jesus at that time, and many individuals claimed that they were a messiah. There is simply not enough evidence to support the connection or to explain away the case for Christianity being a rehashing of older mythologies that were combined in the melting pot of cultures that was Alexandria.
He does not actually appear in any record. In the record you will find that there were many Jesuses and many (not all named Jesus) claiming to be the messiah. As for the biblical Jesus, he is a combination of many different myths based in Mesopotamia and Egypt, presented to the population of Alexandria in a political effort to unify the people under a single common religion.
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Atoms are real. If you can assume consciousness is real then I would think that you'd have no problem accepting that. This "image" you speak of pretty means something different to each of us. Hardly an objective stance to take.
"Atheism not only can't explain it, but it isn't possible for it to do so... that's the problem." How do you know?
"Well, one could argue that you can't avoid religion BECAUSE of logic." We've seen the arguments that lead to religion being illogical. So far you've provided only assumptions. So please, argue away.
Biblical inerrancy is, at best, an assumption. From the second paragraph on wikipedia: "Advocates of biblical inerrancy take the position that although none of the original manuscripts currently exist, scholars are able to produce a product that is as near as possible to the original and that it can confidently be said to be the authoritative Word of God." Is this really your argument?
ID, yet another assumption based on another assumption based on another assumption based on... what?
I'm game too.
Leaving "resurrection" out of it, the Big Bang is thought to be a quantum event. Currently observable quantum events do not require that there always be a cause (time is not always a factor -- see radio active decay). Should the universe have been infinitesimally small, as we currently think, then at some point in the past, time would not exist as it does now (we know that the rate in which one experiences or "sees" time depends on ones reference frame because of Einstein). When time looses its meaning, so does causality. Nothing here needs anything supernatural.
Good luck with that, as programming is the development of mathematical concepts mapped to physical hardware. You cannot write a statement without knowing, at least, some very basic mathematical implications. Also, have a look at Haskell. One of the greatest debates going on right now in regards to software is whether it's pure mathematics (non patentable, if you will), or not. I would like to see some evidence, a simple program, that has NOTHING to do with mathematics. Everything from I/O to physical simulation is a breakdown of tried, tested, and true, mathematical formula. They all ultimately reduce to counting bits and addressing them using simple basic mathematical operations (BEDMAS).
No one is debating that :).
I think that is natural selection. If you'll note, there's nothing actually random going on. Simple cause and effect.
Then by all means, prove it. Thus far, the only thing demonstrated has been your lack of knowledge. Ironically, it is your rhetoric that feels "shoved down my throat". On the one hand we have a pile of evidence and a concrete basis for an interpretation. On the other you have your arguments for that same evidence to be interpreted differently without a concrete basis to start the analysis from.
My point is it wasn't "one guy". As in, there could have been Jesus the thief, Jesus the traitor, Jesus the adulterer, Jesus the (whatever crime he committed), all potentially being executed on the same day.
The source of wind's motion that causes additional movements in ocean currents, and ocean currents themselves is the sun. Feel free to rebuke that, but the original point remains -- no sun, no current.
Then the premise of the story is that it's to be ignored, and that's very non-Christian. The flood sets out a cause and effect, a relationship of debt much like the Exodus from Egypt. If you ignore the flood as global, then you must ignore your indebtedness to God for allowing your familial roots to survive it. I really hope that it isn't that difficult to see the shortsightedness of this particular world view.
Those are things that lack actual objective definition. Most of these words are only ever understood intuitively and subjectively. Therefore these are not candidates to support nor refute an objective position on the matter.
Assuming one even exists.
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OK, here, I will have to contend, though I do share your overall world view. It's not plausible to suggest that cause and effect are the foundation. Our current research strongly suggest that at the quantum level such a system breaks down. As far as we know, spontaneity/randomness is a very real thing, (the mathematics point to an effect without a cause) and this is currently the suggested interpretation of the big bang. This leads to the school of thought of "it exists because it can exist". I will say there is still an overwhelmingly large gap in our understanding. I will, however, point out that we did not get to this realization by accident, rather, by observation.
This will only highlight the absurdity that is that test. I have yet to see any form of loyalty built up by making individuals feel inferior. The test itself is pointless. The ignorance displayed by those who are born here is staggering. On average, Immigrants that pass the test tend to display more knowledge about the nation and its history than those born into it. This is stupid as it diminishes opportunities for those who can contribute to the system, and increases opportunities for individuals who leach off of it. Just like "no child left behind". It's a great sound bite, until you comprehend the consequences.
This, of course, means nothing. One cannot counter any sort of extremism on-line, Islamic or otherwise. The whole premise stinks of naivety-sm. Alas, this is really why we wont see a solution to the problem. Those responsible view the world through children's eyes.
It just smells funny when there's only one side to that story, and nothing else to corroborate it.
So did this huge boat really have 2 of every animal on it? Given its size, you think this is still plausible?
What is this evidence. Each time I am faced with this evidence, its only to discover that it's just circular, baseless, logic. I'd sincerely love to have some provided.
The ocean current is driven by the sun.
They can and should be classified the same as any corporation.
There is nothing in those records to say that it was the same individual, regardless of actual deistic position. Many individuals carried the name Jesus at that time, and many individuals claimed that they were a messiah. There is simply not enough evidence to support the connection or to explain away the case for Christianity being a rehashing of older mythologies that were combined in the melting pot of cultures that was Alexandria.
He does not actually appear in any record. In the record you will find that there were many Jesuses and many (not all named Jesus) claiming to be the messiah. As for the biblical Jesus, he is a combination of many different myths based in Mesopotamia and Egypt, presented to the population of Alexandria in a political effort to unify the people under a single common religion.
Not my point; clearly. Obviously, from the small list I've provided, being a soldier could potential have far more lethal consequences.