Sure, the concept stuff is out there, but I have not seen any serious exploits in the wild yet.
If you want to look at it from the customer's perspective, there are more things to consider than market share and water-cooled over-clocked games beasties, fun as the latter are.
Think of all the multimedia people and Engineers who use Macs because of the power.
I think there will be a lot of misunderstanding of your reference to power.
The power, for instance, to do stupid things like host your personal web site on your old 300MHz iBook while it is being used as the family computer is a concept that seems to slip right past some people.
is that I found it was far too easy to do most of what I wanted without installing openBSD or Linux (Debian or whatever). So I kind of lost my motivation for heading that direction until I can afford to buy a new iBook (I have an old clamshell, which is serving my personal site, and, no, I have not tuned it for a slashdotting, so no urls.) and a couple of Mac Minis.
You gotta watch that trap if you do go with Apple hardware.
What, you don't want to write a macro that converts all the zero length arrays to four^H^H^H^Hone length empty arrays, and modify the allocation to remember that zero means one?
I mean, yeah, several people pointed this out already, but I tend to think the problem is less the completeness of the metric and more the appropriateness of the metric.
I also tend to think competition has gotten way way way way way way (something stuck here) out of hand.
Competition which matches needs with requirements is good.
But when all of the competition is in who can go the farthest on the least fuel, something is out of whack. Safety matters. Sometimes speed matters. The ability to transport people health problems, who can't handle a bumpy ride, matters. If everyone is hell bent on stripping their cars to the bone and leaning their engines out to perpetual stalling, the race has become irrelevant.
The implementation sucks. Who needs a screensaver?
But there's a seed of a good idea here, if you throttle it. It would not take any serious bandwidth hogging to crud up the phishing net with data that the phisher has to carefully check by hand because it could lead the police to him/her. Likewise the spammers. Eat their profits by eating their time.
Taking networks down to squash the cockroach is bad, but there is no reason not to lay a little boric acid out, so to speak.
but in terms of the cost of the laptops that contained them, the delta is much less than you might believe.
I priced 'em. I bought my first iBook and a $500 developer's subscription. I didn't need to pay $500 for the developer's subscription, to get Mac OS X beta, but I did, and I still paid well less than what I'd have had to pay for an equivalently configured MSWxxx lapbox.
Admittedly, Linux on iNTEL would have cost about the same or less money, but it would have well made that up in the cost of time to bring up the dev environment.
There's also a factor of requirements that shouldn't be ignored.
Would you care to explain how an OS makes
hardware faster from one revision to the next?
Huh?
You believe in magic? Should we ask then why the Linux kernel is still improving? Why the Gnome desktop is still improving?
You might criticize the choice of branch-merging the BSDs with a Mach kernel, and you might question the wisdom of objective-C in system-level code, but criticizing a company for cleaning up their code after they have the product out the door and making money seems a little unreasonable to me.
And please, don't confuse "PC" with "Windows".
x86 is just an arch like any other, and many
better choices exist.
Give us all a break. We all love Linux, and/or *BSD, and we all enjoy compiling our apps (yes we do) and kernels and writing our own firewall and mucking about in/etc and/var. What's that got to do with the price of tee in Redmond?
Well, anyway, bragging on price of hardware and spending days bringing the system up so you can use it seems a little confused. You buy the system with your money and your time, and you choose it according to what you need to do with it. (Which is why I need to get a Mac mini and put Yellow Dog on it, and get a single-board PPC and put openBSD on it. Three different sets of requirements there.)
Personally, I think the war of words about whether Macs or PCs are better is a waste of time. MSWxxx vs. the real world, yes, that's worth discussing. But Linux vs. BSD vs. Mac OS X? iNTEL vs. PC? Praise your deity (or the viscissitudes, as you choose) for variety, and, in the case of PPC/Mac OS X, be glad it's close to price parity.
Last VCR we owned died while I was out of the country. Probably has something to do with the significant other unplugging everything when we leave the house, so, yes, I gave up resetting the clock well before we started dating.
But even then before it died, it didn't "blick" 12:00 when we were watching because all that was on-screen. No LED/LCD panel. We never saw the "blicking" 12:00 unless we deliberately selected the setup screen.
Now, the microwave does "blick" 12:00 while it's in use, except when we put something in to cook while we're out. (When I say she unplugs everything, I mean everything. Except the fridge. And the iBook which is hosting my personal web page.)
Don't have a link, but I checked this on Apple's support site when I got my clamshell iBook, before they put firewire on those. I got the iBook anyway, and have not reqretted it, even though I've wasted probably forty+ hours making sure Apple's support pages weren't just fuzzing over something simple.
I think it _might_ be possible to boot from a USB drive if you get into openboot and add some really arcane stuff to select netbooting and have it check the USB for the netboot, and then somehow program a USB device to spit the netboot image down the USB pipe.
I don't think I'm describing that very well. Not sure I want to try any harder, though.
As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft has never put out a successful piece of software. Every one of them has bitten me (and anyone who actually wants to get real work done) in one way and another with unfulfilled promises.
Money may be useful as a way to represent value, but only if everyone agrees to use it that way. Using money to trade value and using it to play power games are mutually contradictory activities.
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As long as there is some part of the OS in ROM that is not physically part of the CPU chip (no chip sets), a good soldering iron is going to take all this down.
So then they think they'll make laws against ordinary scrubs having good soldering irons. Doesn't work with locks, doesn't work with medicine, doesn't work with automobiles,...
You can't lock the world down and get anything done.
A hardware hacked machine on a "trusted" network could be impossible to spot. Pretty soon, everyone will be trusting the hardware and MicroSoft will be cutting its corners again, and viral traffic will become part of the overhead and no one will be able to tell.
This kind of thing has to be done at the gate level, which is part of the reason DNA seems overly complex. (And even there, where the "main processing unit" has the ability to override the protections, humans start taking their clothes off in strange places and all the protections break down.)
Computing hardware has become way too complex. It's time to start over, and use some sense as we build this time.
Perfect security is impossible, but each level of the machine should have its own ability to squelch spurious and malignant traffic. (Have to squelch spurious and malignant traffic separately, which is why current ideas for DRM can't work.)
Well, you know, 40+ hours total trying to get netBSD installed on an old 68LC040 might just have used up all the time I could have been, uhm, circle whatever that was.
One of these days I'll get a full '040. That and a PPC box so I can help out with the freeBSD port to PPC.
Right now I'm working overtime and my brain's fried.
There's only one live freeBSD CD in this roundup of live Linux CDs. That proves freeBSD is dying!
(I'd have posted this anonymous for effect, but for some reason/. isn't allowing anonymous posts from my IP these days. I don't think I've been trolling...)
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I think I hear an echo from Byelorussia
Of course, I also hear an echo from my own stomache.
Somehow, the words, only monopolizing the PC OS market have the strangest ring to them.
and the avoidance thereof, could I suggest?
Sure, the concept stuff is out there, but I have not seen any serious exploits in the wild yet.
If you want to look at it from the customer's perspective, there are more things to consider than market share and water-cooled over-clocked games beasties, fun as the latter are.
I think there will be a lot of misunderstanding of your reference to power.
The power, for instance, to do stupid things like host your personal web site on your old 300MHz iBook while it is being used as the family computer is a concept that seems to slip right past some people.
is that I found it was far too easy to do most of what I wanted without installing openBSD or Linux (Debian or whatever). So I kind of lost my motivation for heading that direction until I can afford to buy a new iBook (I have an old clamshell, which is serving my personal site, and, no, I have not tuned it for a slashdotting, so no urls.) and a couple of Mac Minis.
You gotta watch that trap if you do go with Apple hardware.
What, you don't want to write a macro that converts all the zero length arrays to four^H^H^H^Hone length empty arrays, and modify the allocation to remember that zero means one?
I mean, yeah, several people pointed this out already, but I tend to think the problem is less the completeness of the metric and more the appropriateness of the metric.
I also tend to think competition has gotten way way way way way way (something stuck here) out of hand.
Competition which matches needs with requirements is good.
But when all of the competition is in who can go the farthest on the least fuel, something is out of whack. Safety matters. Sometimes speed matters. The ability to transport people health problems, who can't handle a bumpy ride, matters. If everyone is hell bent on stripping their cars to the bone and leaning their engines out to perpetual stalling, the race has become irrelevant.
The implementation sucks. Who needs a screensaver?
But there's a seed of a good idea here, if you throttle it. It would not take any serious bandwidth hogging to crud up the phishing net with data that the phisher has to carefully check by hand because it could lead the police to him/her. Likewise the spammers. Eat their profits by eating their time.
Taking networks down to squash the cockroach is bad, but there is no reason not to lay a little boric acid out, so to speak.
In other words, until the person who owns the 0wN3d box decides to power cycle.
Of course, the dropped address will not be picked back up for an hour or so even if it changes.
I priced 'em. I bought my first iBook and a $500 developer's subscription. I didn't need to pay $500 for the developer's subscription, to get Mac OS X beta, but I did, and I still paid well less than what I'd have had to pay for an equivalently configured MSWxxx lapbox.
Admittedly, Linux on iNTEL would have cost about the same or less money, but it would have well made that up in the cost of time to bring up the dev environment.
There's also a factor of requirements that shouldn't be ignored.
Huh?
You believe in magic? Should we ask then why the Linux kernel is still improving? Why the Gnome desktop is still improving?
You might criticize the choice of branch-merging the BSDs with a Mach kernel, and you might question the wisdom of objective-C in system-level code, but criticizing a company for cleaning up their code after they have the product out the door and making money seems a little unreasonable to me.
Give us all a break. We all love Linux, and/or *BSD, and we all enjoy compiling our apps (yes we do) and kernels and writing our own firewall and mucking about in /etc and /var. What's that got to do with the price of tee in Redmond?
Well, anyway, bragging on price of hardware and spending days bringing the system up so you can use it seems a little confused. You buy the system with your money and your time, and you choose it according to what you need to do with it. (Which is why I need to get a Mac mini and put Yellow Dog on it, and get a single-board PPC and put openBSD on it. Three different sets of requirements there.)
Personally, I think the war of words about whether Macs or PCs are better is a waste of time. MSWxxx vs. the real world, yes, that's worth discussing. But Linux vs. BSD vs. Mac OS X? iNTEL vs. PC? Praise your deity (or the viscissitudes, as you choose) for variety, and, in the case of PPC/Mac OS X, be glad it's close to price parity.
What VCR?
Last VCR we owned died while I was out of the country. Probably has something to do with the significant other unplugging everything when we leave the house, so, yes, I gave up resetting the clock well before we started dating.
But even then before it died, it didn't "blick" 12:00 when we were watching because all that was on-screen. No LED/LCD panel. We never saw the "blicking" 12:00 unless we deliberately selected the setup screen.
Now, the microwave does "blick" 12:00 while it's in use, except when we put something in to cook while we're out. (When I say she unplugs everything, I mean everything. Except the fridge. And the iBook which is hosting my personal web page.)
So, what's your point?
gggghhhhh
splutter
No way. Save me.
I want an OS I can use.
you can keep the malware off.
But I can run Appleworks and Apple's mail on my 300 MHz, 192 MByte iBook while it serves apache to the web and compiles things like tomcat.
And I don't have to fight with stupid VB macros! (Do have to fight with stupid Applescript scripts.)
I haven't attempted to tune it to handle a slashdotting, so I won't offer a pointer.
dressed in a g-string.
Sure. I know that cult.
convince them?
Not that it would help convince the ones left behind, of course.
I think I'd just take the easy way and and hang some firewire drives on the mini.
Guess that's why I'm not a real geek.
Anybody pointed that out yet?
Don't have a link, but I checked this on Apple's support site when I got my clamshell iBook, before they put firewire on those. I got the iBook anyway, and have not reqretted it, even though I've wasted probably forty+ hours making sure Apple's support pages weren't just fuzzing over something simple.
I think it _might_ be possible to boot from a USB drive if you get into openboot and add some really arcane stuff to select netbooting and have it check the USB for the netboot, and then somehow program a USB device to spit the netboot image down the USB pipe.
I don't think I'm describing that very well. Not sure I want to try any harder, though.
As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft has never put out a successful piece of software. Every one of them has bitten me (and anyone who actually wants to get real work done) in one way and another with unfulfilled promises.
Money may be useful as a way to represent value, but only if everyone agrees to use it that way. Using money to trade value and using it to play power games are mutually contradictory activities.
As long as there is some part of the OS in ROM that is not physically part of the CPU chip (no chip sets), a good soldering iron is going to take all this down.
...
So then they think they'll make laws against ordinary scrubs having good soldering irons. Doesn't work with locks, doesn't work with medicine, doesn't work with automobiles,
You can't lock the world down and get anything done.
Isn't that the point?
Have soldering iron, will travel.
A hardware hacked machine on a "trusted" network could be impossible to spot. Pretty soon, everyone will be trusting the hardware and MicroSoft will be cutting its corners again, and viral traffic will become part of the overhead and no one will be able to tell.
This kind of thing has to be done at the gate level, which is part of the reason DNA seems overly complex. (And even there, where the "main processing unit" has the ability to override the protections, humans start taking their clothes off in strange places and all the protections break down.)
Computing hardware has become way too complex. It's time to start over, and use some sense as we build this time.
Perfect security is impossible, but each level of the machine should have its own ability to squelch spurious and malignant traffic. (Have to squelch spurious and malignant traffic separately, which is why current ideas for DRM can't work.)
Well, you know, 40+ hours total trying to get netBSD installed on an old 68LC040 might just have used up all the time I could have been, uhm, circle whatever that was.
One of these days I'll get a full '040. That and a PPC box so I can help out with the freeBSD port to PPC.
Right now I'm working overtime and my brain's fried.
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trolling for R&R
You know, having no clue and then getting one.
FreeBSD is dying!
/. isn't allowing anonymous posts from my IP these days. I don't think I've been trolling ...)
There's only one live freeBSD CD in this roundup of live Linux CDs. That proves freeBSD is dying!
(I'd have posted this anonymous for effect, but for some reason
Instead of trading in your hardware next time, you keep the slightly old box and just pick a distro at random and jump right in!
Then you pick another and play with that for a while.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
And then you're no longer scared, and maybe even don't care which one is "right" cause you're having too much fun.
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Walk right in, sit right down, daddy let your mind go 'round.
There's only one live freeBSD CD in this roundup of live Linux CDs!
and on and on ad nauseum