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Helping IT Save Money ... and Jobs?

An anonymous reader asks: "I work in a small, overworked and understaffed IT department at a profitable business. We recently got the news that we needed to cut costs. While every penny counts, simply turning off the computers at night and saving pennies on processor cycles isn't exactly a noticeable savings. I'm curious what measures other Slashdot readers have taken to save money within their IT departments."

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  1. Every Penny Does Count by fembots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes it does. And it's even more important that at time of cost-cutting, you show the initiatives to help the company cutting costs whenever, wherever and however you can - So that your head is not on the chopping board.

    If you're in a small, overworked and understaffed IT depatment, are you sure there's anything left to be cut besides offshoring? Does it always have to be cutting costs in IT? How about, for once, in other departments?

    My company recently merged 3 production servers and 2 test servers into 1P and 1T, and saved 3 SQL2000 licenses (yeah, ex ex ex developers just set up their own "independant self sustain" web+data servers whenever they needed one).

    Also, how about cutting the 'net costs/time spent on Slashdot?

    1. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Jhon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aside from your cute "offshoring" slam, there are other ways to save...

      Keep overtime to a minimum. Do a cost analysis of overtime paid vs. off-hour staffing and consider the addition of rotating on-call time for your employees.

      Keep your hardware CLEAN and read your logs! You can ID many hardware problems well before they cause downtime. Remember, when an office of 100 cant work, every hour of downtime translates to 100 hours of lost productivity.

      Change from Cells to Pagers.

      Don't let inkjet printers in the office AT ALL. They are a constant headache and steal more in support costs than ink.

      Need new workstations? Most software packages will run fine on older (say -- 5 year old) hardware. Buy off-lease Compaq, Dell, Gateway, etc... You can get 5x the hardware for the same money with win2k licences included. It will cost you in setup time -- but if you can manage identical hardware profiles (not that difficult), set up a single machine and clone it.

    2. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember that powering off equipment also saves HVAC expenses (at least in summer). The larger the office, the bigger the savings. Also,
      someone suggested switching from Cell phones to pagers, but my experience has been that a good phone plan is cheaper than pagers (especially if the phones support e-mail).

    3. Re:Every Penny Does Count by sicrow · · Score: 1

      paying shitty wages wont help...

    4. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, every penny counts. Especially when you spend $100 trying to think of how to save $10.

      An example of this would be "why don't we just setup an internal website to do X" That makes the geeks happy -- they think they are contributing to making a more efficient office. However how many of those plans actually have an ROI?

    5. Re:Every Penny Does Count by OECD · · Score: 2, Informative

      My company recently merged 3 production servers and 2 test servers

      You might also be able to move users onto a thin client setup (like LTSP.)

      Also, consider using free alternatives to licensed products, like OpenOffice.org. (Bleedin' obvious around here, but I haven't seen anybody mention it yet.)

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    6. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Paid overtime? You kidding, right?

    7. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many small companies pay hourly, not salary. Or only managers are salary...

    8. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nearly all IT workers are defined as "managemet" to get around that rule.

    9. Re:Every Penny Does Count by SharpNose · · Score: 5, Informative

      When you're looking at this sort of thing, you have to make sure you know the difference between eliminating things that represent sunk cost and eliminating things that are not sunk costs yet. It's the latter that you care about; you only care about the former to the extent that they're firmly attached to the latter.

      Fembots here talks about saving three SQL Server 2000 licenses; well, you don't get to cash those licenses back in or resell them, so that's a rather empty gesture, although he/she'll avoid any renewals that might be associated with the three licenses.

      Some costs are per-user: desktop operating system licenses, desktop app software licenses, desktop machines, MS client access licenses. If your company has expansion plans, get rid of those costs by using Linux, Firefox, OpenOffice, etc. and inexpensive beige-box semi-disposable PCs instead of paying so much just for the letters D, E, L, and L. If you're real good at setting up application servers under Linux, you can use junkers (down to P/90) as desktop systems and your users won't know the difference. If this is a company in trouble and being able to scale up operations is one way the biz managers could solve the problem, DON'T sabotage the effort by adding on so much of your own expansion costs.

      If you needed DBMS software, you were being irresponsible with your company's money if you didn't evaluate PostgreSQL to see if it would do what you needed and went with MS SQL Server or Oracle just on the basis of the name.

      If I were your IT manager, I'd already be doing these things, but I'm not, so what I think you should do is listen carefully to any discusions about how the line-of-business managers might want to fix things and do your damndest to help them succeed.

    10. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, over here in the United States where most of the slashdot audience is from, it's not like that. If the company wants to cut costs they pay you a low salary and work you until you quit. Any small companies that pay hourly are the ones that aren't on cost cutting crusades, unless they're breaking the law.

    11. Re:Every Penny Does Count by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Pagers always work, even in the longest of tunnels and ironest of buildings here in Boston. Not so for Cellphones. If it's emergency coverage you want, pagers are where it's at.

    12. Re:Every Penny Does Count by General+Fault · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We just cut our IT department. I would not recomend this as it makes our development staff our IT department. Paying a programmer to do IT stuff is like paying your contractor (as in home building contractor) to clean your house. Not only is it going to cost you $200 per hour to have a clean house but it is really going to piss off your contractor.

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    13. Re:Every Penny Does Count by KungFuPenguine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some other advantages the OP didn't point out by merging multiple servers into one. * centralised management which translates to time saving and time is money. * energy saving. * you can sell the old servers on ebay if you don't need them and you company allows. * and as the OP noted, cost saving on software licenses (unless your are already using Linux or some free alternatives). note that although you have to fork out money to buy a more powerful server to do the job of three, it will save you in the long run. Off the top of my head, some other ways to cut cost are * buy CRT monitor instead of LCD * buy AMD CPUs instead of Intel ones * use IM instead of phones * when calling overseas, use international phone cards which are IP based instead of going through your telco. * educate your users about virus, spyware etc, teach them how to do simple things by themselves. There are always some lazy ones who prefer you to do things for them. Usually these are the managers who probably rationalise by thinking they have better things to do with their time. * run a terminal server instead of having a workstation for everyone. (e.g. Linux Terminal Server Project, www.tlsp.org) * justify every expenditure, make sure the money you spend will increase productivity. This is very important, if you gotta spend, you gotta spend, you gotta give people the right tools for the job to increase productivity, by saving a couple of hundred bucks, you might be losing thousands of dollars in man hours and productivity.

    14. Re:Every Penny Does Count by freemacmini · · Score: 1

      When you say you "saved" the 3 SQL server licenses what do you mean exactly?

      You already paid for the licenses and I am pretty sure MS did not give you a refund because you are no longer using them.

      All you are doing is not using something you already paid for.

    15. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Cramer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Salaried employees don't get overtime. It's rare (from all the surveys I've seen) for IT staff to be hourly workers -- for this very reason. As an "IT guy" and knowing many more in IT, it's rare for anyone to care that they're working more than 40hr/wk. (spouses, on the other hand, complain a lot.)

      Pagers are less reliable with worse coverage. And in many cases, a cell phone is simply cheaper. With a cell phone, you are talking with the person (or can be), so you instantly know if they are aware of a problem and when they'll be in a position to fix it.

      Having recently repaired a 5 year old computer -- a K6-2/350 running windows 98, there's no damned way you could get any productive work done with that thing. Just browsing the web is horribly slow. God help you if you have to run any real office applications (word, outlook, access, etc.) 2-3 year old (1GHz+ processor speeds) machines might be passable if your company is flat broke, but those machines are costing the company some employee productivity.

    16. Re:Every Penny Does Count by freemacmini · · Score: 1

      "If you needed DBMS software, you were being irresponsible with your company's money if you didn't evaluate PostgreSQL to see if it would do what you needed and went with MS SQL Server or Oracle just on the basis of the name."

      We just did a study for database servers for a new software we are writing. After examining all criterea the developers decided that oracle was the only product that had the desired feature set. The management went with SQL server even though oracle cost the same.

      Don't ask me why. The developers are now forced to write a ton of code to work around missing features and they grumble constantly.

      My point is that as long as the management is too stupid to understand technology and too arrogant to listen to people who will be trying to work with that technology you will never save money.

    17. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or you could do what I do, get a couple of overpaid, underworked management types fired. You'd be surprised how much overhead that can clear up. Usually doesn't take much more than a quick trip to their browser cache either.

      Jaysyn

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    18. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      Seriously consider Citrix and Terminal Server environment for your desktop. Sure the startup costs and licenses are higher but it very soon pays for itself. The price of three high spec servers (probably okay for 100 users) is very small compared to upgrading 100 PCs every 3 years. Citrix has a very low requirement of the desktop PC - runs fine on a 486.

      Rolled out an upgrade to a package recently - took 5 minutes for 100 users. Even SMS or similar rollout can't compare.

      I'm amazed that Citrix and Terminal Server isn't used more. I was a sceptic, now I'm a convert. It saves us at least one support person a year.

      And the hot desking and remote working is a dream!

      Rob.

    19. Re:Every Penny Does Count by SupremeTaco · · Score: 1

      Why buy used, when you can buy new pretty good equipment, WITH a warranty, for these prices?

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    20. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Da+VinMan · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, what missing features are you talking about? I know Oracle has a far richer history and therefore feature set, but I had dismissed most of those as curiosities rather than essential.

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    21. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      On the subject of consolidating servers, think about using VMware workstation and server products. Not tried Microsoft's Virtual PC's yet. Saves having a batch of PCs lying around for testing and piloting software in many circumstances. We recently wanted to build a Dutch Windows PC to fix a bug in a program that only occurred in Dutch. Just built a virtual PC on my own PC and bob's your uncle. Didn't even have to get out of my chair. So saved having to buy/borrow a PC.

      The server version is for consolidating multiple servers onto fewer boxes. I've not used the technology so can't really comment but it's attractive. You can have NT 4 and Windows 2003 server running on the same box as you migrate :-)

      Disaster recovery also sounds a lot easier. Box blows up? Just restore the VM to another server.

      Rob

    22. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Syncdata · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't let inkjet printers in the office AT ALL. They are a constant headache and steal more in support costs than ink.

      While we're talking about printing, check some of the software to see what's being printed, and how.

      Where I worked, the software package by default printed a light grey background along with whatever actual data was being printed. Changing the background to white was a seemingly trivial change, but since the organization prints reams worth of paper every day, the drop in toner use/cost was extremely noticible.

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    23. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      In fact, if I had my way, we wouldn't have any printers. Or at least you'd have to ask permission before using them.

      Aren't printers #1 IT support issue?

      Rob.

    24. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pagers are less reliable with worse coverage. And in many cases, a cell phone is simply cheaper. With a cell phone, you are talking with the person (or can be), so you instantly know if they are aware of a problem and when they'll be in a position to fix it.

      I don't know where you live (or what pager company you use), but here (in Western Washington State) pagers have much, much, much better coverage than cells. Not only that, but they keep working even while in parking garages or in the center of large buildings where cellphones almost always lose signal.

      Pagers also have much better battery life, lasting 3-4 weeks on a single AA battery. You'll rarely miss a page because the battery is dead-- but a cell battery won't even last a full day.

      Not to mention that no doubt the vast majority of your staff already carries around a cell phone. Carrying around a cell and a pager is not that weird, but carrying around two cells would be very strange.

      I agree with your other points... overtime watching doesn't help with salaried employees, and 5-year-old computers are older than you think, but pagers are definately a better idea than cell phones.

    25. Re:Every Penny Does Count by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      Well, I was lucky enough to work for a large IT shop for a major corporation, who's answer to the cost savings issue was to fire all developers, retaining system admins/tech help only, and then outsource all development. (I'm a developer btw).

      The upside for the company is, the outsource budget doesn't go through the IT budget, rather its part of the corporations "operational expenses", such as landscaping, electricity, etc.. So, from the budget standpoint, IT dropped about 30 percent of its expense.

      The downside for me, of course, was I had to move towns to find a new job:(

    26. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where you live, but here in the modern world, my cell battery lasts about a week under normal usage. But I will agree that pager coverage has been better than cell coverage, at least everywhere I've been.

    27. Re:Every Penny Does Count by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      "Don't let inkjet printers in the office AT ALL. They are a constant headache and steal more in support costs than ink."

      This is part of a bigger problem of obscure software and gadgets that are big time wasters in terms of support. Every office has its high maintenance users who insist on having their PDAs or whatever. There's a lot of old or kludgy software out there that doesn't play well with user profiles and NTFS permissions.

      In my experience, the biggest time wasters are SCSI scanners, PDAs and junky printers pushed past their prime.

    28. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually in CA, salaried employees CAN get overtime. Haven't you been reading about the whole Electronic Arts class action suit? You can be salaried and non-exempt.

    29. Re:Every Penny Does Count by f()rK()_Bomb · · Score: 1

      Printers were the bane of my existence in my last job. Checked the support database and 70% of calls were about printers!. Most of them were easily fixable problems aswell such as jammed paper, change ink cartridges, etc... But its not like you can trust users to use word let alone change a cartridge. Most common problem, not removing tabs in hp laser cartridges!!

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    30. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CRT's instead of LCD's actually creates a greater TOC, total overall costs... at least so i've been reading and hearing in a few places...

      Also VOIP phones - a big net connection and a VOIP installation will quickly pay for itself compared to STD calls etc...

      Also, use smoothwall instead of big hardware firewalls that set you back headps - its actually a better option in many cases.

    31. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      Most common problem, not removing tabs in hp laser cartridges!!

      Which probably brings up another way to save money - train the users! If I had my way, nobody would be let near Word to write a long document unless they can demonstrate they understand styles and headings. I dare not recall the number of times I've come across a Word document that's numbered manually...

      Rob.

    32. Re:Every Penny Does Count by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Piss him off? If I were the contractor, I'd sub-contract it to some high school kids for $8/hr, and sit on my ass laughing.

    33. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right!

      Offshoring is not about saving money! It is more about justifying insane CxO salaries and huge, non-productive levels of middle management! Unfortunately, the quick trip to their browser cache is more likely to get you fired!

    34. Re:Every Penny Does Count by captain_strimmer · · Score: 0

      If every penny counts,
      IT managers, give your IT staff the option to work from home. Paying their ADSL bills is a lot cheaper than paying for the office space, workstation and those insipid machines that dispense caffine or soup. All projects become instantly task based and everyone gets to work in their personalised environment. You need to keep a few desks for collaborative projects and the ones who need to escape home and probably to provide or subsidise workstations but cost will drop dramatically and you when your star programmer moves to Barbados, you have the frame work to keep them onboard.

      However, make the project managers come to work everyday because it might be interesting to see how they spend their days without being able to continually interupt the techincal staff for help working out their specs.

    35. Re:Every Penny Does Count by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Having recently repaired a 5 year old computer -- a K6-2/350 running windows 98, there's no damned way you could get any productive work done with that thing. Just browsing the web is horribly slow. God help you if you have to run any real office applications (word, outlook, access, etc.) 2-3 year old (1GHz+ processor speeds) machines might be passable if your company is flat broke, but those machines are costing the company some employee productivity."

      Okay, then go get a machine off a two year or three year lease. These can run Windows 2000 *gasp* Windows XP if it's your fancy.

      By the way, running a business-normal 350MHz machine puts you squarely into Intel land. I loved the K6/2 line, but that was because for the same money I could buy a 550MHz processor when I could only buy the 350MHz or 400MHz Intel P-II. MHz for MHz the Intels were ahead. My employer has 25,000 PCs on the desktops of users and only around fifteen people to do field work on them across a hundred sites in a metro area. We have machines still out there as slow as 75MHz that are officially off the supported list, but we still support machines down to 300MHz. Take that 300MHz Intel P-II and put 512MB RAM in it and it's capable of doing all required tasks in a reasonable time. I know this because our accounting department is still using them because they're the last PCs we bought in desktop form factor cases, and they don't want towers.

      What task using say, Microsoft Office 98 can not be done that can be done using Microsoft Office XP? Don't go to marketing literature to answer it, answer it off of the top of your head. Cop-out answers like "file versions are too new for it" don't count either. I want to know what actual features that real people use didn't yet exist in MS Office 98 that people depend on now in Office XP. If you can't think of any then running that computer from 1998 or 1999 with an OS dating back to when the hardware was reasonably new (NT, 98, 2000, hell even Millennium) properly security patched, updated, or secured behind proper firewalling, and a proper replacement web browser could do everything that the user needs as fast or faster than the user needs it.

      I'm writing this on my 700MHz Celeron based laptop with 192MB RAM. I surf the web, check my email, write papers with a word processor, play DVDs with no hardware accelerator, work with spreadsheets, and work with a graphics editor. Yes, I have to be a bit careful with that last one, but it does just work to the point that I haven't really considered a need to buy the newest/latest/greatest other than because 192MB RAM is maxing out what this machine can handle.

      My work computer was a 400MHz Celeron for a long time and it still let me use the workorder system (written with Access), use a word processor, a spreadsheet program, email, web browsing, and the like. The only reason that I got a better computer was that they offered us upgrades because we had some parts left over after a project.

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    36. Re:Every Penny Does Count by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      I have T-mobile. Motorola. I can go 4 days on a charge.

      Last year I went to vegas, and I was in the elevator of the Mirage hotel. In the center of the hotel. I had full reception. Then I made a phone call, from the hotel room on the 12th floor, down the hall, down the elevator, throught the lobby (the long ass lobby) and into the parking garage. The call didn't even crackle once.

      By the way, some vendor called me while I was in vegas with a question about some asp code and a uri. He wanted me to help him debug something. He said: "Are you in front of a computer?" I replied: "No."
      The he asked: can you get to a computer right now?" And I quietly replied: "No, I can't. I'm in a gondola at the Venetian hotel in Vegas with my wife and her her sister."
      There was a relatively long pause as he was absorbing the information.
      And that was very funny to me, as I imagined him in a cube under neon staring at a crt.

      By the way, many programmers at Health Net (myself included) just went to hourly. :)

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    37. Re:Every Penny Does Count by stor · · Score: 1

      In fact, if I had my way, we wouldn't have any printers. Or at least you'd have to ask permission before using them.

      Aren't printers #1 IT support issue?


      They would certainly be the #1 support issue if staff required permission for printing invoices and such.

      If people are printing pictures of kittens and puppies from the Internet for their kids then policies and restrictions can be justified; otherwise it sounds like more work for no reason other than to satisfy your itty bitty ego.

      Cheers
      Stor

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    38. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Holy shit, a week? What phone do you have? My Motorola v180 battery runs down after about 72 hours of standby, and about 5 hours of talk-time. (I don't know what the manual claims it does, that's my real-world experience.) Even if you consider "normal usage" just standby, a week's pretty impressive I have to admit.

    39. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Uh. Ok, but how does this refute any of the points I made about pagers, again?

      It's a lovely story, but I have no clue where you're going with it... or did you have a pager with you in the Venetian which didn't work at the same time your cell did or something?

      BTW, Casinos are well-known for sparing no expense... I wouldn't be surprised if they installed cell equipment indoors specifically to provide service to customers. I could be wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    40. Re:Every Penny Does Count by TheOldFart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Blah... If you want efficient cost cutting, fire the CEO and all the beancounters in between who can't see beyond the end of the quarter and stockholder's asses. These people are trashing corporations in name of quick profit on Wall Street even if it means destroying the company in the process. The CEOs are by then fully vested and long gone to the next demolition derby. It makes me sick.

    41. Re:Every Penny Does Count by mainfr4me · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I have to argue against the pagers-being-less-reliable point.

      If you go in health care, the reason a lot of doctors and on call staff are carrying pagers instead of phones is because they are more reliable. I have witnessed and been attested to by health care IT who can get zero reception in the middle of a hospital on their T-Mobile/Sprint/Verizon/Cingular phone, yet are able to reliably recieve pages. Plus, the units are cheap, last a long time on a AAA or AA, and are fairly idiot proof.
      <p>
      Also, on the salary/overtime thing, one thing to give your full time salaried folk who would be losing overtime, give them possibly something else. What we did was if they are call, we gave them paid internet access (a number upgraded from dialup, and also reduced the questions coming to our helpdesk). Those who were not on call then saw an advantage to being in the rotation, which increased the space in between people being on call.

    42. Re:Every Penny Does Count by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Nothing at all, but your assumption was that you need pager in addition to cell. I say cell is enough for me, since it is everywhere I want to be.

      Yes about the casinos. But vegas is pretty flat, and the hotels are relatively new.

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    43. Re:Every Penny Does Count by xenocide2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know, my old K6-2/500 ran Debian and win98 quite well up till I accidentally fried it. Its no number cruncher, but I never noticed any problems with it for writing papers and browsing the web. Of course, it helps to have plenty of RAM (384 or so in my case).

      I worked for a while at an insurance company doing data entry. You'd be surprised how little they really need (or how much they purchased). The whole affair was done over a telnet terminal to their mainframe. Of course, I was running that terminal on a brand new Win2K computer, 1.5Ghz at the time, and it was total overkill for typing in claims and filling in form letters telling policy holders their claim was less than the deductable.

      That said, windows 98 was a real bitch to maintain. I bought a new video card and the driver installation managed to nuke the drivers.vxd or whatever its called that stores the rest of the drivers(!). I've seen Windows ME machines crippled by software installed on it like weatherbug and comet cursor and the like. Most companies take imaging the hard drives and keeping saved work off of those PCs. That's where productivity can really be lost, by not fighting off those gremlins.

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    44. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Nykon · · Score: 1

      well.. there is some truth to your statement but if the investors aren't happy your company is even more screwed.

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    45. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      But carrying both a personal cell and a "on-call" cell from work would be ridiculous. If you carry two cells, and you're happy with that, bully for you. I wouldn't.

      A pager on the other hand is smaller than my car keys. I don't mind carrying it around.

    46. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Change from Cells to Pagers.

      How about changing from Pagers to Cells to save money? Around here, the providers have been raising pager prices so cellphones are actually cheaper.

    47. Re:Every Penny Does Count by demachina · · Score: 1

      If you have Windows desktops switch everyone you can to Linux, ideally thin clients. You're probably screwed here if you have tons of internal apps that are using ActiveX plugins and are totally tied to IE. If thats the case fire everyone who made you business dependent on this mess and divert their salaries in to getting rid of it.

      The down side is if you no longer have all your IT people running from desk to desk repairing hosed and infected Windows desktops your CIO will probably be able to can half the IT staff.

      If telecomm is in your IT department get an Asterisk PBX especially if you are paying a fortune for your PBX from places like Avaya or you have multiple offices and tons of long distance bills.

      http://www.asterisk.org/

      If you have broadband connections to your other offices move everyone to VoIP. Telecommunications is usually a massive IT expense, and its money going out of the company, and not in to employees wages so its less plan than slashing the IT staff.

      "Does it always have to be cutting costs in IT? How about, for once, in other departments?"

      This is hitting the nail on the head and grabbing the third rail at the same time. Next time a company hits a major round of belt tightening suggest they should start cutting in the executive suite and set an example. Of course you will probably be fired at that point.

      A short list:

      - Executive salaries
      - Options
      - Optional travel, especially for party trips
      - perks

      As best I recall for example, Carly Fiorina had a private fleet of jets to fly herself and senior executives around, I'm thinking she should try coach and maybe it would have taken some of the edge off her arrogant, superior attitude. Maybe she would have had a chance to sit next to the little people and hear what they think of her printers and computers. If she got real lucky she might have sat next to someone who had heard her babble about "Adaptive Enterprise" and who could have politely explained to her how she sounded like a clueless MBA babbling buzzwords every time she tried, and failed to explain it. I can see a jet for Warrent Buffett, Bill Gates or Jim Clark. Carly having a private jet to fly her around to babble was just making a net negative faster and more efficient.

      As I also recall she had a personal assistant who in particular specialized in making sure her hair, jewelry and wardrobe were just so, and that she was well fed. Me thinks a senior executive should be able to dress and feed themselves or they shouldn't be running a giant company.

      EVERY tech company I've worked for has squandered massive sums on travel, though it might have been reined in some lately. Instead of staying at 5 star hotels try having your salesforce and execs stay in an economy hotel/motel, especially if they aren't entertaining potential customers or partners at their hotel. If they do need that impressing them with their style in travel accommodations is about as likely to impress them with how much money you are wasting and that that money will be coming out of their pockets if they buy your product.

      I once went to a convention, rooms were hard to come by but we did have reservations near the convention center. The company President's executive assistance decided the hotel wasn't up to the company's 5 star standards so cancelled everyone's reservations at the last minute and everyone got moved to a worse hotel a 40 minute drive from the convention turned the whole thing in to a nightmare. She didn't understand what was wrong with her 5 star standard in travel accommodations.

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    48. Re:Every Penny Does Count by PIBM · · Score: 1

      I'm currently typing on a 6 years old computer. Well it hasn't reached 6 years exactly yet but it was bought in '99. That thing is able to play counter strike source !!! at a fast enough FPS to get plenty of kills ;) And it's running winxp.

      It's only a P3-500, with a Geforce 2 in it. Got enough of ram though. I don't know what on the web could be slow with that 350mhz one... Flash animation with a sucky video card & not enough ram ?

      Old computer can do a lot if they are kept in good condition, and had been conceived with good hardware (yes, that geforce 2 was added later on when it hit a very low price, replacing a TNT video card)

    49. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the idea of ditching cell/mobile phones to pagers just moves the cost of work based calls onto the staff.

      Making staff unhappy is not cutting costs.

    50. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      How about RELIABILITY!

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    51. Re:Every Penny Does Count by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Informative

      A K6-2/350 is about 7 or 8 years old - but nice try. Seven years ago we were looking at 500Mhz stuff in that realm. In 1999 (6 years ago, in case you can't count), we had Athlon CPUs which (IIRC) started at 550MHz. In 2000 (that's 5 years ago, btw), we had 1+ GHz CPUs from both Intel and AMD.

      If you don't believe me, look here.

      On another note... I currently use two Pentium II 350MHz systems at work, exclusively. One runs linux, the other runs Win98. I have absolutely no problem being productive on it. It's combination of software (Win98, Office 97, and various other apps) are roughly as stable as Windows XP is with Office 2003. I don't program (maybe that's what you're talking about?) but I do a fair amount of SSH administration and things of that order.

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    52. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think this would help me. One of the times I went to fix the owner's computer, he hadn't bothered to close the window full of his gay porn. I need to carry alcohol wipes with me when I fix computers.

      So, I don't know that he could complain too much about someone else looking at porn. Then again, they aren't the owner.

    53. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever tried to use open office? I am an accountant and attempted to use OO (1.1.4) on one machine to save the money. I bought an office license in 3 days.

      I like to use linux, like command line environments and automation via scripting. If I need to write an application I will pop open Eclipse and code it up in Java.

      If I have to do accounting work I want Excel.

    54. Re:Every Penny Does Count by sirsnork · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? But CRT instead of LCD? In a business environment? Have you ever looked at the power consumption differneces? An LCD at todays price will pay off the difference in savings you may have got buying a CRT in less than a year

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    55. Re:Every Penny Does Count by yasth · · Score: 1

      Paying a programmer to do IT stuff is stupid not so much on a salary basis, (The salaries are suprisingly close for an experienced Sys Admin, and experienced but non managerial programer), but on an effectveness basis. Developers are lousy sys admins (too little concern with security, too much disdain for being a hermit crab), generally over confident help desk workers (the answer really is reboot 90% of the time, figuring out why is not that important), and generally poor to midling field techs (too little experience with hardware, coupled with lack of working with people, instead of just presenting to them).

      That isn't to say there aren't good Developer/IT people, just that the skill sets are different, even their world outlook is different.

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    56. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      Dells are rather cheap and probably will last longer than an el-cheapo beige box. If you don't upgrade too often (700mhz is more than enough for office work right now for example) then it might be cheaper to get a Dell. Also, you need to factor in the time to build and test the machines and potentially troubleshooting time as well(if they are less reliable).

    57. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When developers get used to doing things a certain way, they will consider any form of change a burden. That said, projects rarely are shifted to another DBMS, so why not let developers do things the fastest way possible, taking advantage of all of the features of the underlying system? Having worked with MySQL 3 on a project, it is nice to keep the data layer on the database where it belongs. Non-standard features help with that.

    58. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cell phone lasts about 6 days if I don't talk on it too much. Did you get one of the ones with candy in it?

    59. Re:Every Penny Does Count by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 1

      verizon vg 4400 with extended battery. a week of normal use is no problem, i've gotten 10 days+ with minimal use.

    60. Re:Every Penny Does Count by defile · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pagers also have much better battery life, lasting 3-4 weeks on a single AA battery. You'll rarely miss a page because the battery is dead-- but a cell battery won't even last a full day.

      Not to mention that no doubt the vast majority of your staff already carries around a cell phone. Carrying around a cell and a pager is not that weird, but carrying around two cells would be very strange.

      You mention all of these things like they're faults, but I consider them to be features of cell phones. Sporadic coverage? Bad reception inside buildings? Low battery life? Cell phones offer all of the political capital of being 24/7 reachable while still offering a million excuses for why you never answer or call back.

    61. Re:Every Penny Does Count by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...MS client access licenses...

      Apple's Xserve OSX systems are a good buy since Apple doesn't charge per seat for client licenses. Also there is many Unix type software available both for free and for money. The systems are compact and easy to maintain and administer.

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    62. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At my workplace I stole down to the local Fred Meyers, bought two four-packs of CFL lightbulbs (at a huge rebate thanks to coupons from our local electric company), and installed them myself in various lamps in people's cubes. I figure eight bulbs equals 207kwh per month since we leave them on constantly. At 5 cents average for my state that's, what, $12 a month? Might not seem like much, but it's a good argument for using a second older computer from home to boost my productivity while the first one is working.

      Also in the winter I actually bought and brought in a radiant heater so they didn't have to turn on the heat while we were working the holidays. (Our project was finaling.) It was a lot more efficient than a ceramic one, anyway, for just heating the two of us.

      It's hard to say if this cuts costs, either, but I run a hepa filter and negative ionizer, as well, which I brought in from a local garage sale for cheap. I figure it helps keep us healthy and people working more happily despite some of us smoking (and bringing in the secondhand smoke when they come back inside the building).

    63. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Having recently repaired a 5 year old computer -- a K6-2/350 running windows 98, there's no damned way you could get any productive work done with that thing. Just browsing the web is horribly slow. God help you if you have to run any real office applications (word, outlook, access, etc.) 2-3 year old (1GHz+ processor speeds) machines might be passable if your company is flat broke, but those machines are costing the company some employee productivity.
      Install Linux.
    64. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      I'm in a gondola at the Venetian hotel in Vegas with my wife and her her sister.
      That's what I hate with cellphones. Whenever I call someone, I have to ask him "where are you?".
    65. Re:Every Penny Does Count by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Exactly the reason most of the cell sites are sitting right on top of most of the casinos.

      The guy who got all giddy about having signal in the elevator shaft at the Venetian was probably only a few floors and one concrete wall away from the cell site.

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    66. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Handpaper · · Score: 1
      I'm currently typing on a 6 years old computer

      Hey, mine's eight this year. It bootstrapped Gentoo in forty minutes and took six hours to build the rest of the system, including most of KDE, OpenOffice, mplayer and transcode. OpenOffice starts in a heartbeat, Konqueror flies and all whilst transcode is converting from Xvid to DVD at over 80 fps. Rock solid and totally responsive with a load average of 15.

      It's fun to own a 14-way Sun E4000 :)

      We'll discuss the power bill come summer, when I can't offset it against the savings on heating :)

    67. Re:Every Penny Does Count by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...Carly Fiorina had a private fleet of jets to fly herself and senior executives around...

      I read in our paper today the Carly got fired by the directors! Maybe her extravagance was part of the reason.

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    68. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Usually doesn't take much more than a quick trip to their browser cache either.
      LOL! Some years ago, I made the Netscrape cache directory on one of the company owner's computer shareable. We had a lot of fun seeing what kind of pr0n he was surfing for...
    69. Re:Every Penny Does Count by EricWright · · Score: 1

      That's great if all development is done in house. Try a large company that needs an enterprise-wide system. You can go for Oracle Applications or SAP (or the recently erstwhile Peoplesoft or J.D. Edwards) with their millions of man-hours of development, or hack together your own homebrew "solution" (and good luck with that...)

      When you NEED ERP, Postgres and MySQL just don't cut it.

    70. Re:Every Penny Does Count by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Reliability is relative to EXACTLY how the network is designed in your local area... and they're not going to tell you how it's really built, so you just have to try it to find out.

      I still remember the night when the Dry Creek Central Office switch that hosted all of Qwest's Denver pager phone numbers (not the paging terminal itself, just the numbers routed there) for their own staff went down, and they couldn't page their own staff in to fix it. Of course, word gets around quick, but it noticibly slowed their response.

      Of course this also affected all their other customers at the time including Law Enforcement and EMS for some south Denver cities, as well as a whole lot of other more mundane folks.

      The transmitters on the mountains were working, the microwave links to them were working, but you couldn't get from the PSTN to the paging terminal. No secondary route.

      Oops.

      Details, details.

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    71. Re:Every Penny Does Count by zeath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Salaried employees don't get overtime. It's rare (from all the surveys I've seen) for IT staff to be hourly workers -- for this very reason. As an "IT guy" and knowing many more in IT, it's rare for anyone to care that they're working more than 40hr/wk. (spouses, on the other hand, complain a lot.)

      I can be added to your list of people who get overtime. Yearly I get paid a little less than average salary for my experience level around here, but since I work 50+ hours a week they stay very competitive. I work at a printing company, and I am one of two people that manage the IT operations of the company as well as do typesetting and health care printing. The other guy is IT by education, and I'm a programmer by education, and between the two of us we can handle pretty much everything they throw at us. Well, except that we're slowly getting behind in our work despite the 10+ hours overtime we put in every week. God help us if this trend continues and we need to find a third person with the credentials to do everything we need.

      Back on topic, being on the ground floor of a rapidly expanding company, we have the good fortune of basically have an unlimited IT budget. For example, about 2 months ago (before I was hired) they bought a brand new XServe and RAID array just to be a domain controller and do some file and print sharing. To go off on a tangent, they contracted its setup to some momo who broke it horribly (set /etc/hostname to the company's web address and until I found it completely borked my attempts to set up Samba) and actually left the first time saying he had to "go home and research" how to do what he was hired to do. When he called back a month later saying he found (read: subcontracted) someone with the knowledge, I told them not to bring him back and that I could do it in less time and certainly less money (inevitebly on overtime) since I know exactly what we need.

      We can pay $1500 for a color laser jet printer and after we got it all hooked up (just a few days ago) all our boss says is "wow that looks great hey don't show anyone this they'll want to come in here and start using it". As far as management and finances goes, it's really the most absurd (and the laxest) place I've ever worked.

      (Side note: 'Laxest' is a strange word. I would have assumed 'more lax' if I hadn't just looked it up)

    72. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      Here's a thought - all the guys that already have personal cell phones just put those numbers on the list, and anybody that doesn't have a personal cell phone makes the unwritten 'gets a pissy performance review at the end of the year.'

      A cell phone, like a home computer and a microwave oven - just part of the investment in yourself that a person makes in order to be a productive member of society.

      Any 'programmer' that doesn't have a computer at home (or a shit box like a Pentium 233 running Windows 95) - not one of my peers. The same may be said for cell phones - although I offer up some leeway on that one.

      I agree with you - carrying both a personal cell and a "on-call" cell from work would be ridiculous. Just give work your personal number and tell them cancel the cost of the work phone.

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    73. Re:Every Penny Does Count by dextroz · · Score: 0

      With that much luck you could have at least gambled!!!

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    74. Re:Every Penny Does Count by kmhebert · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well... I'VE gotten a million JILLION DAYS!

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    75. Re:Every Penny Does Count by BVis · · Score: 1

      Which probably brings up another way to save money - train the users!

      What color is the sky on your planet?

      This assumes that there is anyone in IT that has the time, skill set, and/or management support to do any sort of training. I have been in IT departments where anyone who mentioned mandatory training for users quickly found themselves being escorted to the door by security. The mindset is that it's IT's main job function to keep the computers running at all times independent of any other circumstance - which means that anytime a system is down, it's completely IT's fault, even if the system is down because some useless douchebag from marketing spilled their latte in the power supply.

      This actually can work in a company where IT is allowed to enforce sane usage/security policies. But when your usage policy is "do whatever the fuck you want with the computers, and if IT tries to correct you, have them fired" it tends to #1 drive up your support costs/workload and #2 drive your IT staff out of their minds and/or out of the company, whichever comes first.

      So to keep this comment on topic, I would suggest the original submitter that one way they can reduce costs is by developing acceptable usage policies that are enforceable, have REAL CONSEQUENCES for violations, and have management support. In other words, if the same useless douchebag from marketing loads Bonzi Buddy on their machine and it crashes, losing documents that represent hundreds of man-hours of effort, then they get fired for wasting company resources. These policies, if properly designed and implemented, will lower the number of trouble tickets generated, and free up IT personnel to work on improving efficiency and other important business-growth-enhancing tasks. (Of course, a reduction in trouble tickets will most likely be seen as an opportunity to lay off workers, because as we all know, eliminating the salaries of people who do actual work is the easiest way to cut costs. And keep those seven-figure bonuses for the board in the process.)

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    76. Re:Every Penny Does Count by timmi · · Score: 1

      I have a K6-2 350, and I'll be the first to admit, it wasn't the best computer I've ever had. On the other hand, my mom's upgraded PII 450, (with 256 MB RAM and 20GB 7200 RPM HDD) works quite well with Windows XP and Office XP

    77. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Conficio · · Score: 1

      The most expensive part of IT are ineffective users. Look at your user support costs. Analyze who is asking which questions, how often. You will likely find that 80% of all requests covers the very same 20% of questions. Find out what it costs the company in wasted IT costs and wasted user efficiency. Plan how to improve this productivity. The solution could be better end user training, better FAQs, better organization of work, so folks do learn their software in depth insted of dealing with 20 different applications and always making mistaks/having questions. Also make this analysis a factor in the employee performance reviews (be careful, you want to hit those folks asking the same questions again and again, not those that simply do learn new things frequently as their job requires). By the way, if you are really overworked and understaffed, you might want to relieve your boss of your own salary, by finding a more rewarding job. K P.S.: If you are looking for the best FAQs a little money can buy, look at our animated frequently asked questions! Sorry for the shameless self-promotion.

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    78. Re:Every Penny Does Count by demachina · · Score: 1

      No, its OK for executives to be extravagant. The only thing that is not OK is for the company's stock price to be going down relative to its peers.

      Carly's main mistake was a disasterous merger with Compaq, that and, like I said, if you've ever heard babble about the centerpiece of HP's strategy, "Adaptive Enterprise" you realize she has no clue what she's talking about. Its OK to have a clueless MBA running a tech company but there needs to be someone directly beneath her who has a clue about technology and apparently there are no such people in HP's senior management, or if they are they had no influence on Carly.

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    79. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GIVE THE MAN A HELL YEAH!

    80. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Subrafta · · Score: 1

      Bottom line costs are critical. If your company makes 5% profit, saving $1,000 in costs is eqivalent to increasing sales by $20,000. Focus on real money over accounting tricks. The $1,000 check the company cuts to an outside firm probably costs the company more than the $2,000 Department A charges Deptmartmet B for the same task. If you are evaluated solely on costs cut the check for $1,000 and screw Department A. You are not free, and you probably cost more than you think. If a $1,000 software package will save days or weeks of your time, it's cheap. Even if it only runs on Windows. Make sure management knows what you do, and that they know it in terms that they understand and value. Do this even if it means something "important" goes undone while you spend a couple hours on a status report, project writeup, or heaven forbid, user documention. Train your users or customers. Reduced support calls are reduced costs. A short class, memo, or how-to document can work wonders in reducing your call load and increasing customer satisfaction. They really don't want to call you if they can help it. Recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs, recurring costs. If you can cut recurring costs or add recurring revenue you will walk in the light, always.

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    81. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They grumble because they didn't get "their way".

      And they'd be bitching about some feature that X didn't have if they ended up with Y. Welcome to the real world, they're human too (and humans can be pretty petty).

    82. Re:Every Penny Does Count by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      If you want efficient cost cutting, fire the CEO ... These people are trashing corporations in name of quick profit on Wall Street even if it means destroying the company in the process.
      Didn't you get the memo earlier today - Carly's GONE!!!

      Now THERE is one salary that should have been cut years ago. They could save even more if the shareholders would hold the board of directors liable for mismanagement by keeping her so long before forcing her to walk the plank.

    83. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Cramer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the record, this PC (dual PIII 800) has Office 97 installed on it. And it's running XP now. Wordpad can eat just about any .doc I've been handed. However, discounting incompatible file versions is just WRONG. When a vendor, customer, or whatever sends you documents that your 8 year old software cannot open, you cannot get your work done. Finding converters, viewers, alternate applications, or asking for it in a different format takes time, often destroys content, and makes you look like an idiot.

      The first problem with running software that old is simply that it isn't supported or patched anymore. Office XP includes the business contact manager, something some people seem to be unable to live without. Server based rules (outlook w/ exchange) with expanded functions. Improved security features -- like being able to turn off certain anoying crap like HTML rendering, hard blocking of certain file types (extensions) that can be a domain wide policy... Better junk mail filtering. IMAP support. Support for multiple POP3 accounts. SSL/TLS support for STMP/IMAP/POP. Support for more than one outbound SMTP server. SMTP AUTH that doesn't require M$ f'ing authentication protocol.

      And, of course, version compatibility problems when sharing files... open an access db with access 2000 and then try to open it with access 97. They cannot both have the db open at the same time unless 97 opened it first. God help you if some nuts clicks OK to convert the db to access 2000; older versions will never be able to open it again. Open the Outlook rules editor from 97 when 2000 lasted updated the rules and you'll fuck up the rules.

      But, you obviously don't care. Or you've not used the newer versions and realized what's been added or changed. And you've never worked anywhere where version compatibility and interoperability were an issue.

    84. Re:Every Penny Does Count by freemacmini · · Score: 1

      Shared nothing merge replication. Syncronizing with desktops and PDAs (oracle light) are the two I was told about. I think there were more, I remember them talking storing XML files and being able to query them. Apparently oracle has some super cool XML sotrage technology.

    85. Re:Every Penny Does Count by tim256 · · Score: 1

      Good point, the last company I worked for had the same problem with too many Windows servers. Another way you can save on hardware costs is to use Windows Terminal Server. It's actually a better user experience than you'd think if you haven't tried it yet. Also I would suggest not buying tons of firewall hardware, spyware filter software, and virus scanners for your exchange server. It's probably cheaper to put your exchange server behind a Linux box that does the scanning and forwards to the exchange server with open source tools.

      Also,I would say it's better to cut costs in other departments. Often times a programmer can write software that does a large part of other peoples' jobs. When I started my last job, I was really surprised at the amount of work and data storage people will try and do with spreadsheets. Usually work that is much better suited by another program.

    86. Re:Every Penny Does Count by number11 · · Score: 1

      I'm writing this on a 450MHz P2 with 256M RAM. It's also operating as a (ftp/p2p) file server and uploading at about 900Kb/s into my DSL line. I can burn CDs, do realtime audio recording and editing, and run a music notation program (word processor for printed music) without shutting down the file server. I don't suppose it would do well with modern games, but in a work environment that might even be considered a feature.

      The vast majority of work tasks are web, mail, spreadsheet, word processing. Almost any box that lights up will work.

    87. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Cramer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off. every hospital I've been in has it's own FCC licensed pager system. It'll work for some distance outside the hospital. And certainly works in every little nook and dark corner inside the building. There's a real good reason your cell phone doesn't work in the middle of the hospital -- aside from the fact that you're not supposed to have one on in there... look around next time, see all that shit that's interfering with it? And the further inside you go, the more steal and concrete is hiding you from the tower(s). See, cell phone companies don't hang boosters inside hospitals like they do in malls.

      Pagers are unreliable. They are passive, low-power devices. The paging tower has no way of knowing a) the pager even exists, b) is on, c) is in range, or d) received the message intact. Cell phones are bi-directional. When you call one, you know instantly if the call was answered or not and if your message was understood or not. Even the fancy bi-directional pagers give no idication to the originator that their message was received, even if the paging terminal has confirmation from the pager.

      I could see the reasoning for carrying both, but that adds to the budget. The cell phone will do everything the pager will (and much more), gives you a phone to answer any "page" which you'll need anyway, and provides immediate indication of receiving power -- no bars means you'll not be getting many calls/pages. Pagers don't have those bars; and those trying to page you don't get a message saying your phone is off the network.

    88. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Actually, the machine in question is 5 years old. It was built in late '99 to early 2000. It was about 200$ then. We're talking about saving money here, not buying new quad opteron 850's for everyone (which would certainly be state-of-the-art, but not on the same planet as "cheap".) It was an ok machine for the price back then, but today, it's crap -- it's not even heavy enough to be a good door-stop. Install Linux for console only use and it'd be an ok terminal, logger, web server, what-not, but not many people can be productive without a mouse and a GUI.

      I tend to do just about everything on a dual PIII-800 w/1GB, but I'm not doing anything particually computational -- like DVD ripping, cracking keys, etc. The most work this thing does is running QuickPar, infrequently :-) (I have better machines for that.) I have little need for "office productivity" crap; I used to... Visio, powerpoint, access, outlook, blah, blah, blah.

    89. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Cramer · · Score: 0

      Very funny. Then it won't run any of the office applications -- and don't even joke about OpenOffice, that shit's slower than M$'s apps on that thing. And I don't want to spend the rest of my days teaching it's owner to use linux. "Buy a mac mini and leave me alone." *grin*

    90. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, they pay you for overtime? We have a redefined work schedule here. You have a "sliding window" of work time, that you're "supposed" to have 8-to-16, but you can slide it around as much as needed.

      Given that, management decided that all night-time and weekend maintenance time will be covered by "sliding" them from somewhere, and thus require no further payments.

      Switching to Linux is a good alternative too. Those five-year-old boxes probably can run a modest Linux set like a dream, but I doubt WinXP or the upcoming Longhord will be usable. Win2k starts to be usable from 128MB RAM, XP wants 256MB and Longhorn was speculated to need at least 512MB.

      (I still think Microsoft is stalling Longhorn on purpose to wait memory prices to go down before slamming us with the latest pain-in-the-behind eyecandy-coated monstrosity. :-) )

    91. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if I'd want to give work my personal cell phone number. That strikes me as asking for trouble...

    92. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      This assumes that there is anyone in IT that has the time, skill set, and/or management support to do any sort of training

      Training is not something that a IT support person should really be asked to do. It's more a case of spend money to save money. I worked at one of the UK's largest pharmaceutical companies when they were rolling out Windows 95 and MSX (precedessor to Outlook) replacing a whole mismatch of systems and the VMS All-in-One email application. In the morning, the user was sent off to a half day training course to learn the basics of Windows 95 and MSX email. When they came back in the afternoon, their PC was sat on their desk and off they went.

      It worked incredibly well with a surprising few number of technical support "how do I" type queries.

      But of course this company had the foresight to realise that computer user's do need training.

      developing acceptable usage policies

      I agree. It'll hurt a small number of people (those who like to fiddle) but the overall saving is high. On terminal server (yeah I know), you can lock it down so they can't even sneeze. If they try and run a EXE off the network, then *bang* - we know about it via email and it's blocked.

      Rob.

    93. Re:Every Penny Does Count by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

      This was exactly the process that caused Digital to go downhill. It always starts with a little cut here and there and when the fluffy white clouds of management see little improvement, they add more and more inefficient cost savings.

      It started with cutting staff who (amongst other things) loaded paper and changed cartridges on the high-speed laser printers, kept them running smoothly. Well, the average was a 3/4 minute walk to the printer. If it ran out of paper, you might not notice for a while and the all the print jobs queued up. Add paper, wait 20/30 minutes to get your printout. Multiply this by 40/50 staff and large amounts of time were now being wasted. But management decided more cuts were needed.

      It got so bad, I heard in Australia, they ran out of papaer entirely and used to take a floppy to a client and get them to print out any technical specs ("...and while you're at it, you couldn't print off another couple for me, could you?").

      Meanwhile, Digital had come up with figures that showed staff were consuming one roll of sticky tape each, per week. Lock up the stationery cupboards! Only designated personnel could gain access to pens and writing pads. Of course we weren't consuming all that sticky tape, it was being trucked out of warehouses (or whatever scam was being used).

      One bright Harvard educated fast-track manager decided the way to save money was to order more hardware in bulk from Taiwan, get the discounts. This just meant Digital was stocking up on outdated CD-ROMs as the speed went up 4x, 8x, 32x and customers wanted the higher spec. kit. Up went costs, must cut elsewhere. And this just went on and on hitting the staff with unnecessary cost cutting.

      There was a lot of conspiracy talk but, all I can say is, in the end Digital got sold out to Compaq whilst the directors of both companies were all old mates...

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    94. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My god people..

      Do you seriously still use phone whose batteries only last for a day?? Whcih one?? I have my old Ericsson T39 with the big battery (1300mAh) and it lasts 2 weeks!!

      Even the SonyEricsson Z1010 i recently bought has enough juice to last 3 days..

    95. Re:Every Penny Does Count by orbit500 · · Score: 1

      I had a funny phone call with One2One ( cell provider in the UK ) after I got back from holiday. I asked them why I had better reception floating down the Zambezi, next to the Victoria falls, in a canoe and watching crocodiles eating lizards than in my office in Reading, which is touted as the UK's silicon valley. Their answer was not satisfactory.

    96. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Da+VinMan · · Score: 1

      Synchronizing with Oracle light would definitely be easier with Oracle; can't dispute that. I imagine that one could make that easier when doing it from SQL Server by using a data pump product, but then the cost goes up.

      As far as querying XML files goes, that's actually a pet peeve of mine. While one could maybe build some cool stuff around XML storage, the whole idea is just wrong-headed IMO as one ought to be querying a database and not flat text files. But then, I may just be prejudiced. :+)

      I would think the bigger problem with forcing your team to use SQL Server would be the fact that they prefer and are skilled with Oracle. I'm a little surprised that no one seems to have taken that into consideration when choosing database products.

      Oh well. Best of luck!

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    97. Re:Every Penny Does Count by SeanJones · · Score: 2, Funny

      My clerk always calls me the minute I sit down on the loo. It happens with such dependable regularity that I am beginning to wonder whether he has hacked a remote sensing device into my belt buckle.

    98. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be darned... You must be an impatient individual :).

      My fastest computer at home is 400 Mhz Dual Celeron Machine. I use it for work and so far has been adequate for word processing, spreadsheet, programming, X-Terminal, java, ad nauseum.

      Browsing the internet is relatively fast as well. I still have no reason to go through the headache of upgrading this particular system. I will not be able to play all the latest wiz bang games, but at least it does its functions well.

      I also have a Linux box running an a K6-300. It's not the fastest thing on the planet, but it can do all that adequately too, even running PC softwares in Wine (that it is a pig).

      However... I do agree on your point in terms of company productivity. Not only that personell time might be spent in productivity loss by waiting on the computer. The word is "might". A secretary should be as effective writing a memo on a 300 Mhz machine or 1Ghz machine or 3.0 Ghz machine. A computer programmer or CGI designer will not be as effective on a 300 Mhz vs a 3 Ghz machine. Therefore the name of the game is to try to pick your battles carefully and assign computer resources as needed (even though this always causes friction between co-workers).

      Also, companies change computers because it can write off depreciation in their tax returns. Companies rotate equipment once every 5 years.

      That's it...

      Me

    99. Re:Every Penny Does Count by mattspammail · · Score: 1

      I can't compile your sig. Apparently the rest of it got cut off. Start from 'using.System;' please.

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    100. Re:Every Penny Does Count by g0hare · · Score: 1

      $400 for a p4 with XP Pro and 256 meg RAM expensive? Yeah I know I'm supposed to hate Microsoft but my employers don't and I don't care enough to change their mind and I actually know how to set up Windows properly, so it's no skin off my nose.

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    101. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My spouse is suggesting that we move to the USA. What is the average working week for an IT professional in the USA?

    102. Re:Every Penny Does Count by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      In the UK, mobile signal is great and the battery on my new phone (got rid of my motorola with colour screen for a basic phone) is looking like its going to last over 2 weeks (i got it 9 days ago and its around half power now)

    103. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Training the users is one thing, but
      how does understanding styles and headings have anything to do with cost savings?

      Is there wasted print job for users to get the thing right?

    104. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, the medium-sized company I work at paid overtime until a couple of years ago. We were actually all salaried employees in IT, but the company seemed to understand our plight so they voluntarily gave us straight pay, based on our salary, for every hour we worked over forty. It kept a lot of good people from bailing out to startups during the dot.com boom years.

      When it was cut, we moved to only forty hour paid work weeks with all overtime comped. People would keep spreadsheets of the overtime they spent patching servers or whatever and they would actually take off a day at a time or a week at a time here or their as compensation. It wasn't' quite as good as getting the extra pay, but it made the department a workable experience for people with families and almost no one left for the next couple of years too.

      Recently comp time has been going through a "tightening up" phase. I personally know of several people that are looking to move on. In truth, we have some positive movement in the economy, and we really could use some fresh faces in our department, but the correlation between going to a more traditional salaried environment and people's desire to leave is not lost on me.

      I think bosses around the country should keep this in mind if they need to address tough retention issues at their companies. If you treat employee's time with respect, they're much more likely to want to keep working for you. It takes a lot of time to teach a new employee the way things are done at your particular company so keeping them around for a few extra years is definitely to your benefit.

      TW

    105. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Undertaker43017 · · Score: 1

      In our office it would be easier too get rid of the one person that uses the printer 90% of the time. He can't read ANYTHING on the screen, it has to be printed out.

    106. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      What task using say, Microsoft Office 98 can not be done that can be done using Microsoft Office XP? Don't go to marketing literature to answer it, answer it off of the top of your head. Cop-out answers like "file versions are too new for it" don't count either. I want to know what actual features that real people use didn't yet exist in MS Office 98 that people depend on now in Office XP.

      Although I generally agree with you when it comes to Word and Excell, if your company uses Exchange like ours does, there's a whole slew of highly useful features in Outlook 2003 which we happen to get as part of our Office suite. To name just a few, search folders, RPC over HTTP and cached mode have all been extremely useful.

      Yes, we could get Outlook seperately, but I just kind of wanted to point out that Office is more than just Word and Excel and yes, MS does really put out some new goodies somewhere with each new release.

      TW

    107. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Ih8sG8s · · Score: 1

      Wow, are you a prima-donna code monkey or what?

      I have news for you. After 15 years in IT, I have only ever met 1 (count, one) developer who knew what the hell they were doing, and that I would trust to touch production services.

      I have implemented and managed Linux and UNIX development environments, build processes etc. for 8 years, and believe me, allowing developers free reign is a recipe for disaster.

      Some unfortunately develop prima-dona-itis, as the parent seems to have. I know sysadmins who also develop prima-donna-itis. No matter the job you perform, if you develop this wicked sickness, you are a cancer on your work environment, and should be the first to go. In fact, most people other than the prima-donna know who the prima-donnas are, and cost cutting time is a great time to get rid of the cancer.

    108. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      how does understanding styles and headings have anything to do with cost savings?

      True, doesn't directly make the IT department more effective but does show how money can be saved in other parts of the company. It was triggered as well by the thread about automation saving time.

      Rob.

    109. Re:Every Penny Does Count by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      I'm using python you insensitive african sparrow! Ni!

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    110. Re:Every Penny Does Count by studerby · · Score: 1

      I've found that on weeks when I travel around the city a lot, I get far less standby than on days when I just go to the office (which is only a cell or two away from home), especially when I drive out to the boondocks. (Same thing the one time I accidentally left the cell on while flying, only more so... It started fully charged and a 3 hour flight knocked off 75% of the charge.) I'm guessing that the phone does a lot more chatting with the cell towers under those conditions. I also find that when I have a looong conversation when I'm sitting next to my WiFi base station at home, the battery is a lot lower then a similar conversation elsewhere in the house. I'm guessing that being really close (under 5 feet) to the base station causes some interference, forcing the phone to user higher power to talk to the cell tower. I haven't done a systematic test yet, but the experiance has happened enough that I'm pretty sure that's what's going on...

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    111. Re:Every Penny Does Count by abkaiser · · Score: 1
      What task using say, Microsoft Office 98 can not be done that can be done using Microsoft Office XP? Don't go to marketing literature to answer it, answer it off of the top of your head. ... I want to know what actual features that real people use didn't yet exist in MS Office 98 that people depend on now in Office XP.

      My example: Email archiving size limitations. My environment's Exchange server has a 16GB limitation for the mail store. That means the total of everyone's mailbox must add up to less than 16GB, or Outlook stops working.

      We can compensate for this by using PST files - offline personal archive files. So great, right? We can archive to a PST to keep the main store size down. Or that's the theory.

      The problem is that Office 2000 (Outlook 2000) can't read PST files greater than 1.8GB. When you hit that size, the PST and Outlook both become non-functional.

      A band-aid is to manually create a new PST when the old PST file size gets too big. But with 200 non-technical users, this isn't done easily.

      So we have a size restriction at the server and user level. This is a very specific reason why I need Office 2003 on my clients: Outlook has no size restrictions with PST files.

    112. Re:Every Penny Does Count by M-G · · Score: 1

      It was an ok machine for the price back then, but today, it's crap

      That's odd, because I've still got plenty of K6-2 350s and 400s in service, running everything from NT to XP. And they're plenty speedy. I have to wonder how much memory you've got in them, and what you've got for hard drives.

    113. Re:Every Penny Does Count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you needed DBMS software, you were being irresponsible with your company's money if you didn't evaluate PostgreSQL to see if it would do what you needed and went with MS SQL Server or Oracle just on the basis of the name.
      ------
      I did this, they made us use SQL Server because it has a monolithic faceless company behind it. Even though the prototype was already developed on postgres, stored procedures written blah blah blah, ap was sealed and ready for delivery, they made me change out the DB because SQL Server is supported and endorsed by corporate.

      Never mind the fact that the sql server krew insisted on quad xeons, refused to cluster it, and charged us 150k for the whole affair (two quad xeon HP monsters, and sql server licensing), when I could have done it for 20k on dual xeon postgres/intel servers.

      Corporations always cost cut this, blah blah that, but the policy weinies always manage to fuck it up so their buddies at HP and Dell can kick them back some bucks.

      They claim they want to save money but won't even give open source a shot, unless they pay some vendor 100's of thousands of dollars for the free software. One vendor we use, we were paying 100's of k to for a vendor compiled apache. Well, it was useless for our purposes because we needed a custom php build and the vendor wouldn't do anything for us because of "license issues". WTF! it's all OSS!!!

      We ended up compiling our own apache and all associated binaries from source and just have the vendor to pay lip service and say we are using supported software.

      Talk about waste... On these two items alone, and there are many more, I could retire right now on the money we would save if they could listen for 5 minutes and open their eyes.

      By my count those two items have costed us 210k unnecessarily, and we are only half way through February. By June we'll be over a million in waste. This happens every year and these examples are the tip of the iceburg, in my department alone
      ! I can't imagine all the profits evaporating company wide. It staggers the imagination.

      You wanna know where all the money goes in IT, it's stuff just like this.

      There is a pervasive mentality that is focused on keeping policies around that originated in 1993 to "protect" us from OSS. That's why corporate execs run out of money in their budgets.

      Hint: Listen to the people doing the real work, and understand their jobs in the trenches, what works, and what doesn't. If you want to save money, take advantage of your staff's skillsets on OSS/Unix/Linux instead of forcing policy mandated shiite down their throats that costs way too much.

      l8,
      AC

    114. Re:Every Penny Does Count by chrisopherpace · · Score: 1

      If you're running Exchange 2003, it comes with Outlook 2003.

    115. Re:Every Penny Does Count by triso · · Score: 1
      ... Their answer was not satisfactory.

      So, what was their answer? Don't leave us hanging.
    116. Re:Every Penny Does Count by abkaiser · · Score: 1

      No, we're on Exchange 2000, and caught in a Catch-22.

    117. Re:Every Penny Does Count by freemacmini · · Score: 1

      "As far as querying XML files goes, that's actually a pet peeve of mine. While one could maybe build some cool stuff around XML storage, the whole idea is just wrong-headed IMO as one ought to be querying a database and not flat text files. But then, I may just be prejudiced. :+)"

      I am no expert but my understanding is that oracle takes an XML document and automatically generates tables (with relations) to store it. You can then query using either SQL or Xquery.

      We do tend to deal a lot with XML document interchange so it seemed like a logical choice.

      Anyway the CIO shot the idea down so now the programmers have to parse the XML, create the proper tables and store them manually. What's worse they have to code up bi directional syncing code and attempt at some sort of a merge replication thing.

      It seems ugly and messy to me. If oracle could do it why spend all that time coding?

    118. Re:Every Penny Does Count by edwazere · · Score: 1

      One2One? They became T-Mobile years ago, and are still as crap AFAIK.

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    119. Re:Every Penny Does Count by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      The idiot probably only has 64M - maybe 128M.

      386Mb should be enough for basic application use, I'd think, and not cost hardly anything. At this point, you could get 512Mb for likely less. I'm guessing he didn't plan well and buy the memory when it was dirt cheap, so now he's fucked and has to declare them trash.

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    120. Re:Every Penny Does Count by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      They've stopped patching NT now, BTW.

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  2. Outsourced Ourselves by tid242 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    It's standard industry practive to fire one's selves and then move the whole operation to India for a couple of years, before moving it back to your native country...

    -tid242

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    1. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by karnal · · Score: 4, Funny

      What if my native country is India?

      Where do I outsource to then????

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    2. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      China.

    3. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Korea! Duh!

    4. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by 47001foo · · Score: 1

      China! I noticed many of them from India going to China.

    5. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by mmkkbb · · Score: 2

      The Phillipines, the Czech Republic, and Romania.

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    6. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Rei · · Score: 1

      I can just imagine the call center in Afghanistan that they outsource to...

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    8. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Informative
      you don't know much about it then.
      http://tinyurl.com/47c8e/
      read up here

      Canada: Safe, secure and 'near-shore'
      It's about as close as you can get, and its low risk and relatively low prices make Canada a favorite destination for "near-shore" outsourcing.

      The Philippines: Low cost, but higher risk
      The second most popular outsourcing destination after India, the Philippines has a highly skilled, English-proficient workforce and low cost.

      Mexico: It's Close; It's Cheap
      Just a short plane ride from the U.S., Mexico boasts a well-educated workforce and lower prices. But the lure of jobs in the U.S. keeps turnover at outsourcers high.

      Ireland: Comfort and Convenience at a Higher Cost
      Its government is eager to offer tax benefits and grants to companies willing to bring IT work here, making Ireland an increasingly popular destination for software maintenance and development work.

      China: Low-level work at lower-than-average cost
      Low cost is driving some users to outsource IT work to China, where low-level programming resources can be found at bargain rates.

      Singapore: Small but powerful
      This small Asian locality has economic stability and a highly trained workforce on its side. But those strengths come at a price.

      Vietnam: Nascent capabilities but low cost
      A "country in progress," Vietnam offers low labor costs but faces some communications and modernization challenges.

      Malaysia
      An emerging outsourcing player, Malaysia has invested heavily in a high-tech corridor to lure international business. But a sluggish economy and small workforce have slowed the country's momentum.

      Brazil
      Brazil is well known for the bossa nova, string bikinis and Amazon forests. Less well known is that, by many measures, it?s one of the world?s major countries. It ranks fifth in both geographic size and population (180 million people) and has the world?s eighth-largest economy.

      Russia and Eastern Europe
      Its IT workforce is low-cost and highly trained, but Russia's abundant scientific talent remains largely untapped because of government bureacracy and image problems.

      Selecting the Right Offshore Vehicle
      Opinion: Columnist Bart Perkins says there are different types of offshore outsourcing vendors, and it's wise to pick the type that fits your company culture, requirements and risk profile.

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    9. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, what is that?

      -- http://wwwgs/

      Doesn't look right.

    10. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I just realized that this list reads almost exactly like i would expect some D&D game character creation screen would.

    11. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by iocat · · Score: 1

      I knew these guys who got laid off due to Indian outsourcing. Then the company discovered the Indians were outsourcing to Romania. They were so cheap, good and fast that it became most cost effective to rehire a good portion of the Americans to work directly with the Romanians and cut the Indians out of the loop.

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    12. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by birukun · · Score: 2, Funny

      *sarcasm*

      You left out California.

      In many ways a country by itself. Just a short plane ride from the U.S., 7th largest economy in the world, highly trained (and hungry) IT workforce, Low-level work at average-cost (Lots of Chinese, Mexicans, Vietnamese, and Malaysians), and well-known for string bikinis.

      Downsides are high taxes and English deficient workforce.

      */sarcasm*

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    13. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by KungFuPenguine · · Score: 1

      Soviet Union

    14. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 1

      www.gs , I meant

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    15. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, Party outsources You!

    16. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by KungFuPenguine · · Score: 1

      hey that was my joke, anyway, shouldn't it be in Soviet Russia, you outsource the country?

    17. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by hdparm · · Score: 1

      What if he isn't old enough?

    18. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move to the USA like all the other Indians.

    19. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move to the USA like all the other Indians.

      I guess you have no idea that India has a pretty big population.

    20. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by magicRob · · Score: 0

      There is a brilliant Dilbert on this subject already :)

      http://moor.ws/comics/Dilbert/2003.08.03.jpg

      Dilbert: I have some disturbing news

      Dilbert: We outsourced our customer-service function to India a few years ago
      PHB: So?

      Dilbert: Apparently, they subcontracted the job to Mexico

      Dilbert: Then Mexico subcontracted to Vietnam, who subcontracted to the Philippines....

      Dilbert: ... who subcontracted it to us.

      Dilbert: It turns out that we're the lowest cost provider, because we lie about our hold times.

      Dilbert: In summary, we pay ourselves to hose ourselves

      Dilbert: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
      PHB: We should raise our prices?

      - Rob

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    21. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by heybo · · Score: 1

      The article also said save jobs besides saying save money. Isn't a person a more valuable resource than a dollar? How are you saving jobs by outsourcing?????

    22. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Conficio · · Score: 1

      Brazil Brazil is well known for the bossa nova, string bikinis and Amazon forests. Less well known is that, by many measures, it?s one of the world?s major countries. It ranks fifth in both geographic size and population (180 million people) and has the world?s eighth-largest economy. All true, but IT resources are scares and College graduates get signing bonuses. Not a good environment for outsourceing right now! K&lto&gt --- http://www.conficio.com - Teach software with Visual Help from Conficio

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    23. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by hoolie · · Score: 1

      You left out North Korea,

    24. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by quarkscat · · Score: 1

      That's really too easy a question... ...anyplace that labor costs are cheaper
      (and slave/prison labor is hard to beat).

      (1) Sri Lanka
      (2) Nepal
      (3) Peoples Repubic of China
      (4) Phillippines
      (5) Haiti
      (6) Peoples Republic of Vietnam
      (7) Afghanistan

      I am certain there are at least a dozen
      more countries that would/could make this
      list - if you can't find any more, you
      aren't trying hard enough to save your
      company money.

      Here's a hint: check with Carley Fiorina,
      she is sure to know the whole solution.

      BTW: Mexico thought they were the cheapest,
      until they got outsourced to the PRC.

    25. Re:Outsourced Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter who you are, there's always someone more fucked than you are.

      How about Cuba?

  3. cheaper donuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we stopped getting the jellies and custard filled things.

  4. Sell Blood by brakk · · Score: 1

    Or resell bandwidth

    1. Re:Sell Blood by Cade144 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My company recently became a hosting company as a sideline.

      They built this fantastic server room, with climate control, tons of backup power and all the bells and whistles, and found that they could host servers and charge for it.

      Think of ways to re-sell your existing infrastructure or other overcapacity.

    2. Re:Sell Blood by Cramer · · Score: 1

      translation: the company spent a ton of money building something they didn't need at all.

      (Liebert makes climate controlled racks -- Foundation Series "mini-computer room". I've seen 'em on eBay for ~3k$US + freight shipping.)

    3. Re:Sell Blood by Cade144 · · Score: 1

      Well, I hope they didn't outrageously overbuild.

      Hopefully, they just included "room for future expansion". Right now they are selling excess capacity in terms of floor space, physical security, climate control and bakcup power (should the need arise). I'm sure the marks^H^H^H^H clients pay for their own bandwidth plus a comfortable margin.

      The point was, they built it anyway, and the space was going to otherwise be unused. This way IT gets some extra pin money to help defray costs.

      Heck, if your company is planning on such a facility, you may as well plan for extra capacity so that you can sell rackspace to smaller companies.

      As long as that fits in with your business plan and company objectives.

  5. Gut your IT department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saves all that wasteful IT overhead. Just ask Carly.

    Ding dong the wicked witch is dead!

  6. A good idea.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    We just fired our CEO! =]

    1. Re:A good idea.. by mrjb · · Score: 1

      In my company, during the economic recession, they started saving on electricity. And printer paper. And toilet paper. At some point they actually fired the sales department, and would we programmers like to start selling? (Of course if we'd manage that we'd run our own business!) Anyway firing the sales dept was a smart move, it sure cut costs. Needless to say, no new work was getting in anymore either. Needless to say, the company went out of business. And, needless to say, I'm much better off now.

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    2. Re:A good idea.. by gniv · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You work for HP, right?

    3. Re:A good idea.. by Nykon · · Score: 1

      I'd think just cutting back salary to something like $8/hr and cutting commissions in half would have helped.

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  7. easy by w1r3sp33d · · Score: 1
    fire everyone then hire them back as temps and consultants. It is so much better that way

    Sorry, was that too close to home?

    1. Re:Easy by Budha_man_99 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey it worked for me. And since I implemented this cost cutting measure upper management has taken it one step further. I now get every week off without pay.

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    2. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if the business needs to be up and running 24x7. Use abacus instead of expensive computers?

  8. Where do you spend it? by Barondude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Saving money is directly tied to where you spend it.

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    1. Re:Where do you spend it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      concur and suggest you get out of your bunker mentality mindset and attack. Start by making it known that you are looking to INCREASE your department's workload by eliminating costs in other departments. Swing some elbows! Infomation Technology is NOT a cost center!

    2. Re:Where do you spend it? by lowe0 · · Score: 1

      Ding! This person hits the nail on the head. If your department doesn't directly make money, you've got to get out there and show how you're saving money. Otherwise, managers get into a mentality of seeing you as a necessary expense (and then eventually, an unnecessary expense).

    3. Re:Where do you spend it? by inKubus · · Score: 1

      The best way to secure a job in IT is to make sure they get rid of the other employees before they get rid of you. For more information, consult the "BOFH" Series of educational manuals, which offer hundreds of tips which will help you on your way. Cheers. BZZZRRRT!

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    4. Re:Where do you spend it? by VdG · · Score: 1

      This is, of course, the first thing to find out.

      You need to start with the IT budget. If 90% of your costs are on hardware then obviously that's where you concentrate efforts.

      It's likely that the major costs fall into three areas: hardware, software and staff.

      Hardware and software costs may be tackled by consolidating servers, as has already been suggested. It also helps to standardise: don't have two applications doing the same job. Don't even have different versions of the same software if you can help it.

      Have standard configurations. That makes installation of new servers/workstations and maintenance of existing ones much simpler.

      For staff costs, one of the most useful things - though it may seem rather boring - is good change control and incident reporting. Once that's in place you can look back and see where your support staff are spending their time and concentrate your efforts there. It can also help you provide a better service and make your life easier.

      Three years ago, when the company I work for was just getting started, in a typical week of on-call cover I could expect an average of about 10 calls outside normal hours. By analysing what those calls were, taking pro-active steps to deal with problems and improving our housekeeping I now expect an average of less than two calls per week, (from over one hundred servers).

      I get to sleep more, the customers get a better service and I spend less of my time at work dealing with trivial problems so I can get on with work of real value to the company.

      There are no cheats to reducing costs: just good standards and practices.

  9. Upgrades.. by tsalaroth · · Score: 0

    Believe it or not, upgrading can help. For example, if you have 15 Pentium 2 class machines handling your web services, 5 or 6 Pentium 4 class machines can easily handle the load, and upgrading will probably cost considerably less than the original hardware. To make up for purchasing more? eBay is your friend. People will buy anything if it's sold on eBay.

    1. Re:Upgrades.. by boeserjavamann · · Score: 1

      u r right. well, buying new hardware has some positive effects. everybody is talking bout "how expensive" new hardware is, but waiting every week 2 hours longer with older pcs and u don't have to wait very long to get the money back.

  10. mostly centralization by koehn · · Score: 1

    Many of the things we do are oriented around centralization... having a single directory in LDAP that all applications authenticate against, having a single unified network across locations (via VPN) that allows access to anything from anywhere, etc. Just removing the apparent complexity reduces operational costs a ton.

    1. Re:mostly centralization by utopia27 · · Score: 1

      ..and cut out your fire insurance, health insurance, and liability insurance. It'll save LOTS of money.

      Just. Until. You. Really. REALLY. REEAALLY. Need it.

      Same can be said of diversified and decentralized IT operations. Just wait until your central LDAP database goes up in flames, and it takes you a week to rebuild because there wasn't a warm standby (preferably in an off-site location).

      Radical centralization to decrease costs is normally a recipe for radically increased dependence on a small number of critical assets - i.e. probability of failure rises somewhat, IMPACT of failure skyrockets. Because you haven't been paying your IT risk insurance premiums...

    2. Re:mostly centralization by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree with this. While nice for the users (only have to memorize one password) and nice for the net admins (only one auth server to fix when you can't get authenticated), it's horrible for almost everything else. If teh main LDAP goes down and there's no HOT failover(warm standbys suck), then your users will not be able to log in. Also, once a password is compromised, ALL of your servers are at risk...not just the LDAP server. LDAP and other centrally controlled authentication needs to be planned very well and the security needs to be HIGH. Make sure your users call you the SECOND that they think someone is doing something wrong or the SECOND that they forget their password or realize that it's in the wrong hands. Better yet, if you must go LDAP, get some RSA keyfobs and the RSA security package setup. This will inctrase security while reducing the overhead of multiple log ins.

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    3. Re:mostly centralization by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Also, once a password is compromised, ALL of your servers are at risk...not just the LDAP server

      Nah, only the servers that password has access to are compromised.

      Make sure your users call you the SECOND that they think someone is doing something wrong or the SECOND that they forget their password or realize that it's in the wrong hands.

      Forget that. Get some behavior analysis software and use that. By and large, no user can be trusted to act like that. either they don't know, don't care, or they'll fer punishment.

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    4. Re:mostly centralization by koehn · · Score: 1


      I said we have a central LDAP database. I didn't say we had only a single instance of it. Besides, we're talking about a *small* IT shop, remember? And yes, we have offsite warm servers just in case.

      I never said anything about *radical* centralization, but simply doing a few practical things like this has helped us reduce maintainance a ton.

      Sheesh! The way you guys talk you'd think it's a good idea to have everybody try to remember 15 different passwords to get at your enterprise. Know what happens then? Everybody uses the same password on all 15 directories! Then, when that one password is compromised, you need to lock down 15 different systems! Same happens when you need to fire somebody: one account to disable, not 15. Sounds like a much better solution to me!

    5. Re:mostly centralization by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 1

      Sheesh! The way you guys talk you'd think it's a good idea to have everybody try to remember 15 different passwords to get at your enterprise.

      This is slashdot. Most posters here think that upgrading their servers by compiling tarballs -- on the the server -- is a good idea.

      But seriously, everyone knows that the more passwords you have, the more important you are to the organization. Just like the most important person at your company has hundreds of keys...

    6. Re:mostly centralization by utopia27 · · Score: 1

      I grew up in a carrier environment. I was trained by old-line bell-heads. I have a profound allergy to anything that begins to whiff of a single-point-of-failure :) Bigger the impact, the more allergic I get.

      Now if, on the other hand, you have a larger enterprise and can keep several forward-cached and forwarding instances of your authentication distributed in 2-3 locations - preferably with push-caching that allows reconstitution.... now then you have a solution that _I_ feel better about ;) And before slashdot jumps on me, I _don't_ mean db-replicate synchronization, and i _don't_ have a particular implementation in mind - just "healthy" characteristics...

    7. Re:mostly centralization by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      Should they not be punished? I wish I could punish the users who forget their password on a monthly or weekly basis. I wish I could. It's about time people remember things like passwords. Sure, have a mechanisim for revoering access to the system should you forget it, but man some people forget on a daily basis. Imagine if you forgot to do something like take the fries out of the fryer of you were working flippin burgers. Man you'd burn the place down! If your in a place that you have to log in to a computer system an dyou can't remember your password....wow. I don't know what to say. Sure it happens sometimes, but some users I have come across just don't get it.

      In a proper implementation of a LDAP setup, you'd ideally have ALL servers authenticating through LDAP. That's the only way it would really save time. So what I said is true...if you do it right.

      I just can't get behind LDAP. The concept is cool, but the security risk is just too much for me. Doesn't everyone remember the bitching we all did about Microsoft pusing Passport? Is a LDAP server any different?

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  11. Fire mid-level managers who don't do anything... by Assmasher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's bound to be 3 or 4 of them.

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  12. start saying "No" by Emugamer · · Score: 1, Interesting

    without having a very very indepth view into your IT world, the way to save money, is to start saying No to new projects and reuqests... even if staffing costs stay the same implementation costs on the IT end always go up in some aspect or another. if you limit the scope of what IT will handle, costs will end up going down.

    1. Re:start saying "No" by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunatly if the IT deaprtment starts daying NO, it will also start saying NO to things that are really needed.

      What you need to do is to get a GOOD insight into what different departments need and spen your time on that. If then the sales department comes along and asks for something extra, just tell them they can choose what of THEIR other projects should be put on hold.

      Also charge the departmenst as if you are your own company. Want a new PC mr. big shot? No problem. Give us the money and you get what you want.

      That way the other departments will only ask what they really need as it comes out of their budget.

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    2. Re:start saying "No" by maotx · · Score: 1

      Thats very similar to what we do.
      Plus, SET A BUDGET for the year.
      Besides buying used equipment (refurbished, ebay, etc) sticking to a budget will actually give you an idea of where your money is going and what you can cut.
      Our budget includes new IT equipment, software maintenance agreements, computer upgrades, education (limited tuition for degree or certification), and books.
      If our engineering department wants a new pc they better have it in their budget. They're responsible for the new hire as well as his/her's equipment.

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  13. Easy! by PopeAlien · · Score: 1

    Fire everybody and move the office to the moon! no property tax on the moon! you'll save so much money you wont need any employees!

    1. Re:Easy! by w1r3sp33d · · Score: 1
      AWESOME idea! If you make their new place of work on the moon and they don't show up you can cut them loose without having to pay unemployment/severance/whaterver!

      Brilliant, have a Guiness!

    2. Re:Easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      plus, if you are ever attacked by mocking birds, you have the weapon you need right on hand.

      I've seen entire IT departments wiped out by them all, ninjas, pirates and mockingbirds; you can never be prepared enough.

      Don't get left with a string and clockwatch, move your IT department to the moon today!!

  14. just another... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i doubt you're actually overworked since you read slashdot on a daily basis. or you're one of those people who thinks that coming in before noon constitutes too much work?

  15. Cut Users by utopia27 · · Score: 3, Funny

    fewer users -> fewer issues -> lower costs.

    if it weren't for those pesky users...

  16. Are they that greedy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in a small, overworked and understaffed IT department at a profitable business. We recently got the news that we needed to cut costs.

    So it's not good enought for them that they have already ensured their profitability by making you overworked and understaffed...no...they have to cut costs even more...

    May as well tell them to just stop giving raises. That would cut costs, and would be consistent with their heretofore demonstrated miserliness.

  17. Anybody seen that old TRS-80 . . . ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can get good money for the scrap metals and plastic...

  18. Quit posting on slashdot on company time? by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 1

    Quit posting on slashdot on company time? (Argh! I was just kiddiiiiing!! ;) )

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  19. the ad says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    windows has a lower cost of ownership

  20. turning off computers? by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    generally the electricity isn't going to come out of the IT budget anyway, and you probably won't be recognized for cost savings if you write up a nice proggy to automatically put your computers to sleep at a certain time, so why bother on that one...

    Instead, do what businesses themselves do. diversify! If your IT department is only responsible for maintaining a users desktop, then develop an interactive web based help system that goes towards that purpose. Now your it department also has programmers, and your mission is expanded (and hopefully your budget will follow!)

    1. Re:turning off computers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > generally the electricity isn't going to come out of the IT budget anyway, and you probably won't be recognized for cost savings if you write up a nice proggy to automatically put your computers to sleep at a certain time, so why bother on that one...

      Especially since when they're off they don't get those nice automatic updates of the OS and antivirus databases early in the morning rather than during work hours.

    2. Re:turning off computers? by fred911 · · Score: 1

      I would also venture to state that any savings received from turning off your computers is offset by hardware failure caused from thermal cycling. I've found that there is far less "wear and tear" when you set bios to sleep rather then power off and on in the morning.

      ymmv

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    3. Re:turning off computers? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Workstations shouldn't be getting autoupdates in the first place. They should be tested first then manually rolled out.

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    4. Re:turning off computers? by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 1

      You realize that *real* companies push their patches out to their machines automatically... after they've tested those patches?

      We're not talking about Windows Update. We're talking about "OK, the patch is good... force all 25,000 workstations to upgrade now." That's an auto-update.

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  21. The most expensive part of IT is the people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    If you really want to cut costs, find ways to do things with less manpower.

    Automate anything that can be, use reliable products that once set up don't need to be touched for months or years, etc. Get programmers the right tools so they don't have to spend months trying to manually find every memory leak.

    Of course, then you find yourself out of a job.

    1. Re:The most expensive part of IT is the people by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      If you really want to cut costs, find ways to do things with less manpower.

      Terminal Server and Citrix...

      Can I have my sales bonus now please?

      Rob.

    2. Re:The most expensive part of IT is the people by dbIII · · Score: 1
      If you really want to cut costs, find ways to do things with less manpower.
      That's a very narrow minded way of looking at things, which may apply in some situations but not in others. I've spent more than my yearly salary on computer equipment so far this month (it being February 10), which is more than average, but not entirely unusual. Most of what I do could be done by someone fresh out of university, probably fairly quickly if I wrote up some docs for them - but they probably couldn't tell you why it is being done and when other alternatives could be looked at. It takes a lot of people or time to set things up properly but hardly anyone to run them after that. The biggest single saving I have made in my current positions was to cancel an outsourced support agreement and find a nearby supplier of Sun parts - but in that case we were truly being screwed and the support didn't happen when it was needed.

      IT spends money, it can't really ever save it, it can only add value.

  22. Exactly by PMJ2kx · · Score: 1

    Where I worked previously, they fired a good chunk of the IT department because management thought 3 people could get the job done. And so far, it's worked.

    1. Re:Exactly by Ostie · · Score: 0

      Where I work, they have to cut off on the projects because they are not enough people to develop them.

  23. Easy by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Funny
    Shut the IT department down completely one week out of every month, and give all the employees of the department unpaid time off during that week. However during that time, the employees of the department will be able to contract their services out to whoever needs them at whatever price they feel is fair. You'll save the company millions!

    Oh there might be some outages at the company during that week. I expect that any necessary employees could be convinced to contract their services to whatever department needs them... at about 3 times their average salary...

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  24. Turning off the computer is costly by stecoop · · Score: 1

    How long does it take for the computer to boot up? 1 minute, 2 minutes, 5 minutes? Take what you make a minute and calculate if the company saved any money. I bet the 2.2 cent savings for turning off your computer doesn't add up to what you make per minute. Thus, you're costing the company money. You also have to remember that there is a higher probability of a computer not booting when being turned on rather than letting the computer run overnight, as the computer has already booted which would also negate any net savings.

    Turning off the CRT monitor is the biggest saving a company will see. Next, turn off the lights in your work location.

    1. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turning the computer off overnight only saves 2.2 cents? Are you nuts?

      If energy is about 9 cents per kilowatt and your machine and monitor consume about 500 watts, that's 4.5 cents per hour, per machine. If you're not working for 15 hours a day, that's 67 cents per day per computer. That's 20 bucks per month, per machine.

      If your office has 100 machines, you'll save $2,000/mo. If you're a large company with 1,000 machines, you'll save $20,000/mo. If you're a huge corporation with 100,000 employees and machines, you'll save $2,000,000/mo.

      Sounds significant to me.

    2. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by cdipierr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that your assumption is faulty.

      A computer, at night even /w the monitor "on" will probably draw about 100W of power tops. This assumes the monitor is energy star compliant and goes into a typical sleep state and that your PC isn't running some CPU intensive task, so at the very least cut your numbers to 20% and you get $400/month for the 100 machine scenario. This isn't nothing, but you're better off convincing people not to take clients to expensive dinners.

    3. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by houghi · · Score: 1

      I know companies that let their people start 15 minutes earlier so they have time to log in. People are paid for this time. They save the pennies and spend the pounds.

      I always just logged off at the end of the day and turned off my monitor. logged back on the next day. That gave me an extra 20 minutes (5 minutes closing all programs and logging of and turning off the machine, 15 minutes start up) to read /.

      Yes, I agree 15 minutes is stupid. I also say putting in 6 differnt passwords is stupid and then sometimes you still could not start, because they did an update the moment you logged in.

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    4. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long does it take for the computer to boot up? 1 minute, 2 minutes, 5 minutes?

      So when you turn on your computer you just sit there starring at the screen till it comes on? You don't organize things on your desk, go get coffee, make a phone call, write down some tasks for the day? Seems like you're the inefficiency here, not the computer being off.

    5. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by PostScience · · Score: 1
      Yeah, so you save 4.5cents per hour X 128 hours per week = $5.76/week. But 5 reboots, at 5 minutes per reboot, at $30/hr = $12.5 in lost productivity.

      Now, if you don't pay the employees while they wait for their machines to boot...

    6. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Peyna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now, if you don't pay the employees while they wait for their machines to boot...

      Your claim is based on the assumption that employees will just sit there and do nothing for the 5 minutes they wait for their computer to start up.

      Odds are they'll waste the same amount of time per day doing nothing product whether or not they have to wait for their computer to start up. There are probably many other things they could do while waiting.

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    7. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention hardware is much more likely to fail when you turn it on. Ever notice how a lightbulb always burns out when you turn on the light. The same hold true for computer equipment. Hard drives (unless your IBM) are much better off spinning, than stopping and starting. Power supplies have to deal with the on-rush current. Fans gum up when they stop running. Not to mention thermal cylcing components is how you do accelerated life testing.

      For instance I killed the motherboard in my myth frontend by shutting it down after months of runtime, only to find it wouldn't turn on again.

      All in all the $400 you save in electricity is going to be used up fast buying new components.

    8. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Viper233 · · Score: 1

      Boot up time 5 mins, not such a great business loss, good for the initial water/coffee fill up at the start of the day.

      However, after having worked with hardware for several years I believe that switching off you computer each night will end up costing more in some situations. Using the worst known comparison in the world computers/motorvechiles, the warming up and cooling down process is probably more destructive to hardware (engine, drive assembly/harddrive, fans, power supply) than the constant running of these items.

      From my experience I have had a PII333 (not server hardware) running constantly for the past 6 years with a (from what I've heard are awful and mostly dead) Quantum fireball 6.4G hard drive and have only replaced the power supply fan (It got full of dust). Likewise I got about 230000km out of my 1.6 Ltr car engine, whereas I've heard of taxi's getting well over 500000km before needing a recondition. Yes they have much larger engines which are able to do a greater milage, still...

      When you start powering up (warmup from cold) each day your going to be asking for more hardware issues resulting in much more support and downtime. However, turnoff your CRT, they really suck down the juice.

      This is only my humble opinion and I would encourage anyone to prove otherwise.

    9. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm using a Pentium Classic, which dates to around 1995. I power it off each night, unless I forget or I am compiling. In fact, I power off a few times a day, if I don't expect to come back in half an hour. I think of it as a tv or radio. I don't keep those devices on 24/7 to save hardware costs. I realize business environments are different, but I don't buy into this saving hardware idea.

      Just so that you know, I boot up KDE and it doesn't take 5 minutes. Again, I realize that business environments are different, but still.

      I don't recall a single hardware problem, or replacement. It's all subjective, but you have to admit that I'm doing something right.

    10. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by dattaway · · Score: 1

      Well, we have 8 cents per kilowatt hour residential rate, 2 cents commercial rate, and a flat rate for "surplus" power.

      Hook your computer up to a wattmeter and you'd be surprised. 40 watts for the box and about 40 for the monitor. 500 watts sounds like an old tube type television (remember those?)

      Consider all those 40 watt lights in the ceiling. Add them up and weep! My company has about 1,000 400 watt sodium lights. That 4,000,000 watts trumps anyone's personal computer. Don't get me started on the 2,000 horsepower worth of refrigeration...

    11. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Fans gum up when they stop running.

      My observation is that computers that run 24/7 get clogged up much faster with dust and dirt and have the fans fail much quicker. Most dead power supplies I have seen have been in systems that were on all the time, usually because they are full of debris. Also, with the heat today's systems have to dissipate, I would hate to think what would happen if a critical fan failed and went unnoticed overnight, especially on an AMD system.

      The only time I have had to deal with fans gumming up due to the computer being turned off is when the computer has not been turned on for months/years. And even then it's pretty rare.

    12. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Just lock the terminal... this is available in windows and just about every UNIX(tm). Plus, I use screen, so I can detach those sessions and return to them from anywhere (even multiple anywhere's :-))

      Turning off the computer will save little in the long run. It'll be dead from daily power cycling in less than a year. Powering off CRT monitors will save money, but they'll be dead just as fast (if not faster.) LCD monitors are the most cost effective in the long run -- 40-80W, power up almost instantly, don't have gun heaters to burn out...

    13. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Bob+MacSlack · · Score: 1

      It'll be dead from daily power cycling in less than a year.

      You're joking right? You don't actually believe this do you? Please tell me you don't. Either that or go try to convice all my family's computers they shouldn't be working anymore. Should have stopped working long ago...

    14. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by deragon · · Score: 1

      But do not forget that if you have AC at the office, then you have two system fighting against each other, the computers that generates heat and the AC that tries to keep the temperature of the office low. This fighting might start to have a noticeable cost.

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    15. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      it does not matter.

      most commercial buildings are billed not on kwh used, but peak KW draw during that 12 hour period.

      if you turn everything on slowly and leave it on all the time it will be cheaper than having a surge of everything getting turned on at once.

      other than saving wear and tear on the hardware (yes, leaving it on all the time will make the computers life shorter, do not listen to the morons that believe the power cycle FUD.) you will save absolutely nothing.

      peak draw is what matters. so if you can drop the power consumption of the office extremely for the 12 hour period, usually 7pm to 7am, you are wasting time.

      locking the doors and shutting EVERYTHING off for those 12 hours would make a huge difference in the cheaper off-peak hours. but 80% fo your power bill is calculated on the peak draw made between 7am and 7pm.

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    16. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by chotchki · · Score: 1

      An easy way to setup money if your network can hardle it is as follows. Have the computer automatically shut down after everyone has left. Then script a LAN boot to run in the morning before anyone gets there.

    17. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Cramer · · Score: 1

      I know it for a fact. They aren't powering them up for 8hours of use and then shutting them down for 16hours. 5 days a week. In an office where the AC is cut off after hours and on weekends.

      How many bad sectors have cropped up on their drives? How many cooling fans are rattling at 1/10th their normal spinning speed? How long does it take for the monitor to reach proper convergance -- i.e. lose the funky multi-color bluring due to the guns not firing correctly until the CRT heats up? (you may not notice it, yet, if the resolution is set low enough.)

    18. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Bob+MacSlack · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm just lucky, because I've only had one harddrive ever develop problems, and that was one of the problem deskstars. I haven't had to retire any machine due to physical problems, only old age (and only after fighting it tooth and nail finding other uses for them).

      In fact, one of my computers came from a company my dad worked for since it had gotten too old to be useful to them. I'm sure the conditions there were the same as you're describing. Again, retired due to old age and sent off to a school in a 3rd world country to be useful.

      As for monitors, I'd have to get in touch with a few people since they're now spread all around friends and family. When they left they were all working well after years of abuse with very few signs of getting old.

      Maybe you just have bad luck?

    19. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      *tries to picture computers and anonymous cowards in a furious climate battle...*

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    20. Re:Turning off the computer is costly by sgumby · · Score: 1

      anyway do you know anybody who start working immediately when they arrive at job ?
      In average, somebody will spend 5 or 10 minutes before doing anything productive

  25. Turning off computers at night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turning off desktop corporate computers at night should be mandatory. You could be surprized how much energy is wasted if you did the math...
    Desktop computers consume insane amount of energy.

  26. Are you building instead of buying? by plierhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bit of an open question really. But are you doing any software development? Sometimes the big drain on the department's budget turns out to be some piece of ambitious development that would be better handled by buying outside.

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    1. Re:Are you building instead of buying? by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      A very insightful post. Unless there's serious downtime and unused manpower, developing things inhouse can often be more expensive than buying something pre-packaged or contracting it out.

      On the other hand, developing inhouse can also translate to improved skills for developers, potential marketing bonuses (if it's open source, for example), and cheaper-than-outsource support once it's done.

      That all has to be weighed against the cost of keeping someone employed that has nothing to do. If you can outsource it, perhaps you don't need everyone working there. Given that the original post indicated that they were understaffed, maybe layoffs aren't the answer... outsourcing software development might be enough to remove that "understaffed" label.

    2. Re:Are you building instead of buying? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Unless there's serious downtime and unused manpower, developing things inhouse can often be more expensive than buying something pre-packaged or contracting it out.
      Feh. Even though I'm a programmer, at one time, the only job I found was a net/system admin. Not great, but again, being a 5 minute walk away from home helps a hell of a lot. Anyways, over there, while the powers that be were debating about buying a big timesheet management system, I managed to hack one out of PHP+MySQL during the time I was waiting for machines to fail.

      Of course, when presented with the final product, some of the big shots totally could not get in their heads that I have managed to program something so fast that met so much of their needs... (When they outsourced me after two years, my boss was nice enough to let me use the code elsewhere).

    3. Re:Are you building instead of buying? by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1

      That's an excellent example of the downtime.

      My personal experience was the opposite - they needed a web-based project management system, and I simply didn't have enough time to do it. In the end, it was cheaper, faster, and easier to use Basecamp.

  27. Dump Microsoft by RailGunner · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Dump Microsoft Office in favor of OpenOffice.org. Dump IE in favor of Firefox. Time = Money, and time spent cleaning up 0wned Windows boxes is expensive.

    You might also consider dumping IIS for Apache if possible.

    And yes, you should shut down all your PC's, as it will save money. It adds up.

    1. Re:Dump Microsoft by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... time spent cleaning up 0wned Windows boxes is expensive.

      Many moons ago before I saw the light and abandoned Microsoft products as a way of life, I spent an average of 15-20% of my time recovering 0wned Windows systems. Sometimes it required a complete reinstall because the system was so screwed up. I feel for anyone stuck doing that. Not to mention how boring after the Nth time it happens.

      I understand that same company now runs UNIX/Linux systems and has even started testing various Linux Desktop solutions. Companies simply want out (not to mention save a few bucks). Sounds like a chance to propose a migration and build a test case.

      --
      Has Comcast disconnected your Internet account? Same here. You can read about it at http://comcastissue.blogspot.com
    2. Re:Dump Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The beauty of this strategy is that all the increased company costs from dealing with clumsy and feature-poor OpenOffice apps, converting file formats back and forth for customers, and so on, gets shifted to other people's budgets as an invisible decrease in productivity, while all the direct cost savings show up on the IT budget.

      In some ways, this is even better than actual cuts in costs, because it makes the IT PHB look even better than the other PHBs by contrast.

    3. Re:Dump Microsoft by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      And what should they do the first time OpenOffice doesn't open a document from an uber important customer properly? I somehow doubt telling the customer, "I'm sorry, we are using free software that works correctly over 95% of the time, but in this case it didn't work, could you please make sure your document is OpenOffice compatible? You may wipe out all your savings in a document or 2. Not to mention the cost of retraining, maintaining the software, etc.

      It may work with governments, because people cannot very easily go with another government. It may work at home(you don't need to be nearly as professional), but honestly, after working with open office, I would not use it in a small business environment. It's just not worth the cost savings.

    4. Re:Dump Microsoft by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      So each department keeps one system running MS Windows and MS Office somewhere in a cornerr, hooked up on the network but turned off. If you really need to convert a document to a suitable format because MS has changed the format to encourage more (pointless) MS Office sales, you use that one computer to translate the document into some older and supported format, then save it onto the Samba file server, and go back to your Linux Desktop running OO.o and open it up. It won't happen that often I am sure.

      Or go purchase a MacMini + MS Office for the Mac if you need to, and use that instead to translate troublesome documents.

      --
      "The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
    5. Re:Dump Microsoft by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then buy Ghost (or other similar software). It takes me less than 30 minutes to rebuild a Windows machine with data transfered, printers and such set up, and with the user not even able to tell that the computer was switched.

    6. Re:Dump Microsoft by Rev.LoveJoy · · Score: 1
      Sure, converting all your apps, retraining all your employees, importing and then exporting all docs which have to come and go from your company.

      That will save money.

      This is easily the worst cost-saving advice I have heard in a long time.

      - RLJ

    7. Re:Dump Microsoft by Gorath99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Making Firefox the default browser is always worth it, but I wouldn't be so eager to throw away MS Office. If all it's used for is typing letters then it could well be a good idea (but then why aren't you using Works instead of Office in the first place?), but if people are using Excel, Access and PowerPoint then you're getting yourself in more trouble than you might think.

      I work (part-time) at a human resources department and Excel is used all over the place. If it were replaced with Calc, then we'd have a serious problem. Lots of things that are easy in Excel are pretty hard to do in Calc, at least until you've had time to really familiarize yourself with it. Even worse is that it's a lot of work to convert Excel macros to Calc macros. Those things save a ton of work, but they're sadly not very portable. Maybe in time we'd be able to be just as productive with Calc, but the transition period would not be pretty. Like you said: time is money.

      Another problem is with Impress. It's a fine program, but presentations need to look perfect and sadly the conversion from and to PowerPoint files is not yet perfect. Not a problem if all you have to deal with is other people using Impress, but you don't always have that luxury.

      And finally, I wouldn't even know what to replace Access with. Granted, no hacker would touch the thing, but office workers generally aren't hackers. Access is about as complex a piece of software as you can put in front of office workers. Anything more complex and they just won't be able to use it at all.

    8. Re:Dump Microsoft by Pope · · Score: 1

      If the computers are set up correctly, there's no getting "owned" unless something very major happens. At my work we're all Windows 2000 or XP pro machines, and all updates are done using something called "Radia" which rolls out patches automatically every time you log in. IE is the default browser and the security settings are set and locked. Normal users don't have anything close to Admin privilges, and email (Outlook, naturally) is scanned for viruses and blocked before it hits the end-user.

      Granted, all that infrastructure costs cash to enable and maintain, but are you really going to try to roll out OO and Linux onto a workforce of something the 2000-odd range, AND TRAIN THEM?

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    9. Re:Dump Microsoft by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      So each department keeps one system running MS Windows and MS Office somewhere in a cornerr, hooked up on the network but turned off.

      Only practical if the company doesn't have to regularly deal with the outside world.

      Rob.

    10. Re:Dump Microsoft by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 1

      I agree. Used Ghost for years however it's still a waste of time having to rebuild a system over and over again.

      I swear. Just when you thought they made something idiot proof, they went out and made a better idiot :-)

      One positive thing happened when we decided it was taking a significat part of my day. We were able to push for standards (both hardware and software). People hated it but it reduced my torture time :-)

      --
      Has Comcast disconnected your Internet account? Same here. You can read about it at http://comcastissue.blogspot.com
    11. Re:Dump Microsoft by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
      And what should they do the first time OpenOffice doesn't open a document from an uber important customer properly?

      It's called heterogeneous systems. There's nothing wrong with keeping a couple of dual-boot machines, or even a couple of machines which run Wintendos full-time. Crossover office is also a possibility for those who don't want the risk of any native Windows machines on their net (or who are just too lazy to dual boot or hunt down the dedicated box).

      --
      Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
    12. Re:Dump Microsoft by deragon · · Score: 1

      But it will cut cost for the IT departement. That is what the story is about. Now you are talking about the problem of other departements, i.e. training departement, office employees, etc...

      I do not like what I wrote above and I agree with your analysis, but in businesses you will often see one departement trying to save cost at the expense of others even if the overall cost for the business increases.

      --
      Remember the year 2000? They promised us flying cars. They delivered the PT Cruiser...
    13. Re:Dump Microsoft by Rev.LoveJoy · · Score: 1
      The topic is cut costs. Eliminate them. Not shift costs around like a young child who doesn't want to finish dinner with do with his peas.

      -- RLJ

    14. Re:Dump Microsoft by RailGunner · · Score: 1
      And what should they do the first time OpenOffice doesn't open a document from an uber important customer properly?

      Use the free Word Document Viewer from Microsoft.com, that's what.

    15. Re:Dump Microsoft by ZeldorBlat · · Score: 1

      Of course, if you subscribe to MSDN, you can maintain your MS applications and avoid all those licenses completely.

      Booya!

    16. Re:Dump Microsoft by Theatetus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And what should they do the first time OpenOffice doesn't open a document from an uber important customer properly?

      Same thing I do when I can't open something from an uber important client using MS Office (this happens too): point him to Adobe's "make a pdf" website.

      Then again, our uber-important clients don't know jack about technology and don't mind hearing stuff like that (the last Word document that wouldn't open, for instance, was messed up because the VP writing the report tried to embed some weird OLE object in another weird OLE object: we told him to stop doing crap like that, and he was fine with that)

      --
      All's true that is mistrusted
    17. Re:Dump Microsoft by Yer+Mom · · Score: 1

      Good thought (and it's what I use to open emailed attachments, even though I have full Word on the system as well - safety first!) but not so handy if you're running OpenOffice under Linux, unfortunately...

      --
      Never mind Spamassassin. When's Spammerassassin coming out?
  28. My suggestion: by JoeLinux · · Score: 1

    Telecommute. Make them pay for their own damn work area, connection, and computer.

    1. Re:My suggestion: by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Telecommute. Make them pay for their own damn work area, connection, and computer.
      You might ask them to drop their pants and go jump three times in the middle of the street while shouting "cowabunga pagnit ka talaga"...
  29. Outsource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Move to India.

  30. Use closed source software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ultimately the cost is less for packaged closed source. You don't have to hire as many programmers on staff like you do to bring the open source stuff up to snuff and spend time customizing it. The support costs are too high. There's something to be said for getting software from a company that does that software well. My costs in various companies of having to employ geeks was far more than if I had just had a good package and paid someone a little to be responsible for it.

    1. Re:Use closed source software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to overgeneralize. Obviously if there is no open source software that fits your needs (necessitating additional expense in the form of development time) and you can buy something off the shelf that performs to your needs, you should buy something off the shelf. At this point, however, common server tasks are handled quite well with open source software and in some cases are unmatched by typical off the shelf software. It sounds like you are talking about specialized business process software where "open source" means "write it yourself" and the only sensible option in many cases is to run to a vendor.

    2. Re:Use closed source software by Taladar · · Score: 1

      I would say these things have to be decided on a case-by-case basis. An important factor e.g. is wether the closed source company really "does that software well" in general and applied to your scenario. However if there is a software matching your need perfectly you should consider buying it instead of developing a perfect clone in-house.

  31. Life Cycle by Stanistani · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's funny what has cycled through this category over the years:
    First, we had our staff reduced and outsourced to contractors.
    Second, we optimized our equipment to take up less space, electricity, and heating cost.
    Third, we merged our licenses and maintenance to enterprise contracts.
    Fourth, we went open-source and cut off certain high-priced vendors.
    Fifth, our help-desk became voicemail, auto-respond, and Indian.
    Now we're laying off the contractors and bringing the IT work all in-house again.
    Why do I think that someday a pile of transistors will be doing my job?

    1. Re:Life Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why do I think that someday a pile of transistors will be doing my job?

      A pile of transistors running a very small shell script.

  32. Linux & OpenSource by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know, I know... call him a Troll. Actually, I saved my company upwards of $15,000 a year by not renewing software and support contracts for our Nokia firewalls and instead replacing them with Smoothwall (a Linux firewall). I was even able to install Smoothwall onto the old Nokia IP350 hardware.

    I also avoided upgrade costs to XP for about 10 of our 50 systems. This last year, we upgraded all from Win2K to XP. However, 10 of the systems were only used by temps, contractors, and consultants and only for web browsing, webmail, etc. So we installed FC3 on them saved the almost $200 each on XP upgrade licenses.

    Oh, and I save the whole company countless amounts of money when I installed Firefox and set it as the default browser. Pop-ups went away, re-installs resulting from spyware went away, etc. It saved my time (not having to do re-installs and system restores) and end-user times (not having their system unusable while I fixed them).

    1. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The title says it all. We are under the same pressure to save money. We are ditching ORACLE for PostgreSQL (the support contracts are super expensive), not to mention the outsourcing cost of the dba's to maintain. We are also going from Solaris to Debian. In general, all new apps in the works (such as CMS) are open source. We've already done the employee cut backs and, unless they go to outsourcing, can't afford to lose anyone else. The goal then is to reduce costs by eliminating support contracts and license fees. We also just don't take from the open source community. When custom additions are required that would fit the general public (such as LDAP authentication) we send the additions back to the community for them to review and place in the project (if they want).

    2. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FireFox, eh?

      There's also the added benefit that nobody there can read Slashdot!

      (Yes, I know... Ctrl -, Ctrl +, but it's a joke, damnit!)

    3. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

      Huh? Actually myself and 3 of my developers use Firefox solely and read Slashdot daily. Not sure I follow your comment since at its surface it appears to be groundless rantings and nothing of truth or value.

    4. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Changa_MC · · Score: 1

      About a million years ago, slashdot did not render correctly under firefox. I don't know what version, since I started using firefox 0.8, and have never witnessed this "bug" But it's to do with attempting to put the page together before it's fully downloaded, and pushing [ctrl][+] then [ctrl][-] fixed it, apparently.

      --
      Changa hates change.
    5. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

      Well, the CTRL+ & CTRL- is the page/size resizing feature. It goes back to Netscape 7 and some early Mozilla releases. In either of those browsers, you could hit CTRL+ to make a page's font bigger in case the screen resolution was too small. I never encountered this with Firefox, but my guess is that early versions (that were based on Mozilla/Netscape source code) simply didn't implement the feature properly. Even with the latest Mozilla, I still occasionally see the left-most column on /. appear to blend with the center column, but a refresh fixes it and its never bad enough to make things unreadable.

    6. Re:Linux & OpenSource by TheCabal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We saved a crapload of money by not renewing our support with Cyberguard. I always disliked their firewalls, and the one we had was expensive to maintain. All we basically used it for was NAT to the Internet- a previous CTO had lofty dreams that included some hypercomplex firewalling. Obviously those dreams never made it near reality. So we had this $20,000 NAT that we could have gone to Best Buy and picked something up for like $50. I talked the current CTO into letting the support slip on the Cyberguard, and the next time it broke (did so regularly) I'd install Smoothwall or just a vanilla install of RedHat and let IPTables sort everything out. I guess the firewall got wind of that, since it never broke after that. But it saved us a few grand in support costs.

    7. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Chmarr · · Score: 1

      I have that EXACT problem with Camino 0.8.2. FLipping font sizes fixes it.

    8. Re:Linux & OpenSource by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Firefox sometimes renders Slashdot incorrectly, though it's still readable and usable. It has to do with Firefox rendering the page before it has the whole thing. It's pretty dependent on connection speed and the speed of the computer - some people never see it at all. And as for the problem, while partially Firefox's fault, most of the blame is on Slashcode.

    9. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Firefox sometimes renders Slashdot incorrectly, though it's still readable and usable. It has to do with Firefox rendering the page before it has the whole thing. It's pretty dependent on connection speed and the speed of the computer - some people never see it at all. And as for the problem, while partially Firefox's fault, most of the blame is on Slashcode.
      Slashdot is long overdue for switching to CSS...
    10. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know... Slashdot becoming HTML compliant... I would expect to meet a certain small group of riders soon afterwards. ;-)

    11. Re:Linux & OpenSource by danielrose · · Score: 1

      Even with the latest Mozilla, I still occasionally see the left-most column on /. appear to blend with the center column, but a refresh fixes it and its never bad enough to make things unreadable.

      I get the same fault, but sometimes a refresh does nothing. The center column appears off screen to the right, down till the comments, which appear blended with the left column.
      Fun fun! I've noticed in only during times when stories are posted recently, IE high load type times..

      --
      i hate pansy republicans
    12. Re:Linux & OpenSource by Changa_MC · · Score: 1

      I've read up on this. The trick is, slashdot needs to be loaded before rendering in order to render correctly. So refreshing will sometimes work, but ctrl[+]ctrl[-] will always work, and doesn't require extra bandwidth. Anyrate, my connection is fast enough that it's never happened to me.

      --
      Changa hates change.
  33. Re:FP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No you didn't. Dork.

    The whole FP thing is stupid enough as it is. It's even worse when you claim it while failing to have it.

  34. IT is a support organization by TedTschopp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And as a support organization, you need to position yourselves as such. There is a certain sense that you are like the electricity or the water. Now granted if you are not in the Business of IT, perhaps the company will look at focusing on their core business and out sourcing IT. Kinda like how most businesses don't generate their own elecricity or purify their own water.

    With that said, why don't you look at becoming someone who provides your business complete solutions to their problems as opposed to just keeping Server X up or Program Y debugged. Each of those things can be done by someone else for cheaper. But knowing what your company does, and how to unify business processes and computerize them is not something they can get anybody to do.

    So focus on what your company does, and learn their business, and learn how computers will solve their problems. That way you might end up overseeing the group of developers over in India. Learn how to architect a solution, learn how to manage a project. These are the skills that IT needs these days.

    Ted Tschopp

    --
    Fantasy remains a human right; we make in our measure and in our derivative mode... -- JRR Tolkien
    1. Re:IT is a support organization by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      Good answer.

      I wonder why the person is asking how their IT group can save money, when chances are, the decision has already been made. He just doesn't realize it.

      Work on providing good value to the company. Thats what saves money in the long run and will make you a better professional (as you suggested).

      Making cuts is really just a short-term way of saving money. The excess will comeback or its a dead-end company.

      --
      The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
    2. Re:IT is a support organization by Scott7477 · · Score: 1

      I totally disagree with the idea that IT is a support organization. IT is absolutely the heart of any business with more than 5 employees or so. IF the IT guys at any company all took a week off with no means to contact them, that company would grind to a halt by the end of the week.

      --
      "Lack of technical competence coupled with the arrogance of power, as usual, leads to no good end."
    3. Re:IT is a support organization by csnydermvpsoft · · Score: 1

      Same thing for an electrician - though not as frequently utilized as IT, you can't run a business without one (usually contracted out, of course). I think you're misunderstanding the usage (or maybe I am) of the term "support organization." My understanding is that it means that a lot of the business depends on it, but it doesn't itself generate any income.

    4. Re:IT is a support organization by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      you just perfectly described why IT is a support organization. IT doesn't make money, it allows other departments to do their job and do it efficiently.

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
  35. bandwidth contracts by biozal · · Score: 2, Informative

    We saved a lot of money by renegotiating bandwidth contracts with our ISPs. Moving file servers to Linux and getting rid of the "MS Tax" was also a plus...

  36. Sorry about the dumbasses ... by WCityMike · · Score: 1

    Damn. Here you are, trying to prevent people in your office from being laid off, and half the posts (if not more) are idiotic snipings. Sorry you have to wade through them. Just wish I had something concrete to offer you.

  37. Haha by Emugamer · · Score: 1

    okay well this gets a +1 Flaimbait from me. Most of active slashdot seems to be underemployeed at this time so they have seen the results of this before. needless to say, fireing and outsourceing will come up in this one, but honestly people, can someone contruibute some ideas beyond cutting yourself? TCO reduction is always nice, centralization, consolidating servers so not every single 2 person app requires its own project server, reducing the number of one-offs would also be nice... just some thoughts

  38. Software Licenses by R33MSpec · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry to state the bleeding obvious but if you can find an open-source software alternative that is as good as or better than the software packages your currently using then why not propose to migrate across?

    1. Re:Software Licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have a beef with this. if you already HAVE the licenses, what savings are there in switching? you still have the licenses that cost you money. sure, you can probably sell them, at a loss, so where are the savings?

      if you are expanding something, then by all means, bypass purchasing more licenses, or new ones for your project. but dumping costed licenses for free does nothing after the fact.

  39. turn it into a profit center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find that shopping for your software on limewire can save a lot of money. If this isn't enough for your boss, you can actually turn IT into a profit center by placing popup ads on your companys website or even hosting a porn site on your companys web server.

  40. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MOD PARENT UP

  41. not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You weren't anywhere close to first post.

    ha!

  42. Hire Carly Fiorina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hire Carly Fiorina, she'll tell you what to do to save money for your greedy company.

  43. Go BOFH on there ASS by Shadow_139 · · Score: 0

    Go BOFH on there asses.....

    It's the only way to show them that the IT Dept. is a more valuable the you think....,
    That the PC don't fix them self..,
    Turn off the Firewall.., Spam Filter.., disconnect the internet connection...,


    http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/imag es/dilbert20050101046179.jpg/

    1. Re:Go BOFH on there ASS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you turn off the firewall and spam filter to ruin their day then save the day by disconnecting the source of spam, viruses and hack attempts? Well done.

  44. Simple, really... by rongage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you want to save the company money, then quit!

    Dude, the writing is on the walls as plain as day: ...profitable company...wants to cut costs...

    Some bean counter is trying to squeeze as much efficiency out of you folks as possible. If I had to guess, the company is going up for sale soon and they need to make the place look as good as possible for the sale.

    --
    Ron Gage - Westland, MI
    1. Re:Simple, really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If I had to guess, the company is going up for sale soon and they need to make the place look as good as possible for the sale."

      Hey, that's what's happening here too!. Except I am pretty sure they are also cooking the books. No proof just a conclusion based on bizaare spending patterns.

      No you can't have this thing that costs $300.00 but you can have this other thing that costs $30,000.00 just weird shit.

    2. Re:Simple, really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Actually, my answer to being told that I have to cut costs is to present a new budget LARGER than the current one. I tell them that the only way to cut IT costs is to move the whole operation to Never Never Land.
      Management types always push to cut IT costs because they DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM. And they need to be punished.
      If you are already overworked and they want more cuts, somebody needs to go to bat and say "No."

  45. 2nd job! by Telastyn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Use the spare space and bandwidth on the company web server to host porn. Use profits from porn hosting to run IT dept.

    *shrug* it's a no worse idea than cutting support costs when support is already overworked. Perhaps such a message [perhaps in more businesslike terms] should be the proper reply.

  46. Who do you want to feel it? by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Informative
    Most of the things I've done are either obvious (F/OSS instead of MS, refurb instead of replace, buy used instead of new), shortsighted (cut staff training, support contracts, salaries), or specific to our particular situation. So not much I can really suggest.

    Depending on your political clout, it sounds like it might be time to start cutting services (evening/weekend tech support, high-speed internet, etc).

    --
    http://alternatives.rzero.com/
  47. Easy, make working conditions crappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work at a company that is cheap. One way they keep costs down is to not buy new hardware. This keeps me employed, salvaging usable parts from failing desktops and putting them together to make "new" ones.

    The fastest desktop anyone has is a PIII 733MHz. Needless to say, the desktops run Win98. I don't know if the company will upgrade when the end-of-service date is reached or not.

    They also save money by not buying new office furniture, desks, or cubicles. None of our office furinture was purchased new, it was all from re-sellers. Sure it does not match, and the chairs smell bad and are very uncomfortable.

    The phone system is also salvaged stuff. The desk phones are models no longer supported by the manufacturer, and the PBX switch is about 15 years old as well. Thank goodness it still works. When it failes, the expense will be pretty big.

    There is also a big lock on the supply closet. You can't have employees stealing Post-It notes or Liquid Paper (or their knockoff equilivents). Pens are something closely guarded. Most people bring in pens, highlighters and markers from home, because the company either won't buy them, or the ones they do buy suck.

    Oh, yeah, and our healthcare, 401K plans and other benefits all suck.

    No training budget.

    Wages are pretty low too.

    We do have high turnover, so the company pays for that eventually, in lost productivity for new hires.


    Plenty of things to be "thrifty" about if you don't care about your employees.

  48. "We're in the recycling business" by Ooter · · Score: 0

    I used to work for a small ISP that sent out installation floppy disks to users back in the late 1990s. Instead of buying floppy disks to put our software on, my boss gave me a stack of free disks that he got in the mail from AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve and the like. He had me remove the labels, format the disks, put our installer on them, and relabel them so they could be sent to new customers.

    I'm not kidding.

    This was a hell of a savings, at least $5/year.

  49. blackmail employees by rich42 · · Score: 4, Funny
    You could have a semi-official "black operations" program where you monitor employee's web surfing behavior.

    If you find out anyone's surfing for donkey porn - tell them it's time to pay up - or their boss will find out.

    The money goes back into IT dept. funding so you can still buy that new videocard you need to play Half-Life 2.

    1. Re:blackmail employees by mikael · · Score: 1

      You've been on the BOFH advanced career survival training course on haven't you?

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  50. Make them realize they should be cutting elsewhere by maxeypad · · Score: 1

    Get the point across to management that you are already overworked and understaffed. Clearly the IT dept management is not getting this across well enough if they are still slashing budgets. Does IT have a real representive when these decisions are made? Perhaps, someone should have some balls and suggest the CEO or upper management take a paycut. In all honesty, maybe you should look into letting disasters creep up and then blame it on being underbudgeted and understaffed. After all you can only push a person so far, if you work your ass off and initech ships a few additional units you probably don't benefit from it. If you have the option/luxury of having a desirable skillset if this doesn't work you can just go elsewhere. Ie, the next time a virus outbreak occurs blame it on lack of funding or better yet, not enough staff to make sure that AV and patch management is in place and working properly.

  51. Obligatory Bruce Willis quote... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    I work in a small, overworked and understaffed IT department at a profitable business.

    <DieHard>"Welcome to the party, pal!"</DieHard>
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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
    1. Re:Obligatory Bruce Willis quote... by Graemee · · Score: 1

      Funny, all I thought of at first was.

      "Ho Ho Ho, Now I have a machine gun too"

  52. Prereq: does the software *well* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    That means "securely", too.

    So you don't have to spend all your time doing all those things that really help the bottom line, like hunting viruses and applying security patches.

  53. Well, it may not be popular but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Small business with 50 employees:

    I fired three of the four IT people, kept the person who knew *NIX and could actually work with my other employees, replaced Wintel machines with Macs running OS X and saved myself almost $350k in the first year and $400k the following year.

    Difference went back into the business in terms of reinvestment and profit sharing.

    1. Re:Well, it may not be popular but..... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      Small business with 50 employees:

      I fired three of the four IT people


      As well you should have. That's a rather skewed ratio, even for an all MS-shop.

    2. Re:Well, it may not be popular but..... by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      Four IT people for a company of 50? That's very OTT. Two would be ideal and with TS/Citrix you can get away with one but doesn't leave you much in terms of cover when they are on holiday.

      Rob.

  54. Profitable business? Cut costs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see where this is going. Into somebody's pocket and it's not the pocket of the overworked staff.

  55. No news? No problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Invent a story by asking a question. Typical slashdot.

    You guys suck.

  56. You could start with... by dayhox · · Score: 1, Funny

    replacing the CFO with a shell script.

  57. Wait a minute... by HBK-4G · · Score: 1

    You said you were part of a profitable business. If you're already understaffed, overworked, etc... why are they asking for *your* department to cut costs?

    Smells like the CEO wants a new Lexus for Christmas in July...

  58. In Meetings or Project Planning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember hearing somewhere that if you go to meetings or participate in IT project planning, write all the components (including support staff) down on separate post-it notes and show everyone how they all relate to each other. Then when you are asked to cut costs, remove a few of the post-it notes and show everyone how the project is no longer whole and what everyone will be giving up. Usually a visual "presentation" like this helps everyone else realize that it shouldn't always have to be IT that gets the cuts!

  59. Read BOFH by SirLanse · · Score: 2, Informative

    I read Bastard Operator from Hell for Ideas.
    It is available at theregister.com

  60. Where is your IT money going ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to do the math. Like the subject, first of all you should know where are the big bucks (or small for that matter). If, lets say, 75% of the IT budget is on salaries, then... watch your neck !!.
    No ... seriously, this is the piece of the cake you should reduce.
    So how ?, well, less hours of work, less pay, I suppose.
    So comes the big question: If you work less and do the same job werent you stealing before ???

    Not necesarily, just you have to develop a plan where in the mid term, you could be able to work less doing the same job ( it would mean automating tasks, reducing night attended backups, printing, and of couse, surfing the net).
    if this were not the case, and the big piece of the cake were on other things, what this could be? Software ? Training ? supplies ? well, you should analyze those

    Saludos from Uruguay (a long distant and small "developing" country)

  61. Automation by MarkEst1973 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Every day I see people clicking the same things over and over, performing the same work on their computer over and over, typing the same code over and over (in various forms, but the same patterns).

    I introduced a new way of thinking in my company. Let's automate more. We don't need grunt programmer's writing easily templatable code. We need smarter senior programmers writing templates.

    We don't need to have senior management people writing emails every day reminding us to fill in our timesheets on time. We need one script to send out the alert. And we don't need manually maintained spreadsheet tracking hours and contract rates. It's error-prone, time consuming, and can be better performed by a database.

    Anything I see people doing repetitively, I look to automate. After all, isn't a computer nothing but an automaton doing the same thing over and over again?

    I've found Python to be perfect for automating a lot of my more mundane tasks. I keep looking for that higher level of abstraction.

    The problem is the GUI (*cough cough* Windows *cough cough*) where people can't seem to get around clicking. They can't seem to understand that anything they click on can be written in a script instead.

    Hey, but that's just me. If I were a business owner, I'd look to get significantly more from my employees by hiring a really smart guy to automate more work.

    If someone automates himself out of a job, you bet your ass I'd find him 10 more jobs to automate himself out of. That guy is worth his weight in gold.

    1. Re:Automation by TedTschopp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've saif this for years, IT should always be looking to put themselves out of a job. (Which interestingly enough is why I'm not concerned with the current fad of outsourcing.) There is always more things to bring under the control of IT automation.

      Ted Tschopp

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      Fantasy remains a human right; we make in our measure and in our derivative mode... -- JRR Tolkien
    2. Re:Automation by archen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Let's automate more.

      It's a good idea, but it's easily snuffed out. Where I work it's really obscene the ammount of redundant, tasks which could be automated... My first and primary block is always management - and they seem to enjoy inventing more work for everyone. Also the users often need to be on board. Right now I'm fighting tooth and nail to get important user feedback, and they just don't care. I think it's important to get user feed back to make sure that you are really automating something and making work easier, not just making the same ammount of work in a different way. When you might as well be talking to a brick wall, progress isn't made.

      Last but not least, it takes time and he stated that they were understaffed/overworked. It takes planning and time. I'm getting the feeling that managment there would SAY "automation is good" but then not give you the resources to follow through. Typical I guess. They say they want to cut costs, but will probably just cut jobs no matter what anyway.

    3. Re:Automation by rhacquer · · Score: 1

      You are a wise and dangerous fellow. Hope I get to work for you someday!

    4. Re:Automation by mveloso · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes!

      The only way to save money in IT is to fire people. To fire people, you have to automate their jobs.

      That's it!

      If you want to be really good, go to the next step and try & figure out how to help your company make money. Maybe you can do a quick & dirty data mine on the current databases, so your purchasing can order stuff in bulk instead of having lots of small purchases.

      Maybe it's looking at trends, and discovering efficiencies in the business.

    5. Re:Automation by waveclaw · · Score: 1

      Let's automate more. We don't need grunt programmer's writing easily templatable code. We need smarter senior programmers writing templates.

      ...


      Anything I see people doing repetitively, I look to automate. After all, isn't a computer nothing but an automaton doing the same thing over and over again?


      OB Office Space:

      That reminds me, I've got to change the covers on all the TPS reports. I hear middle managment has a new layout they want everybody to use.

      If you can automate 90% of your boss's job, particularly the tracking and number crunching, you should look at eliminating him. Seriously, there are three kinds of people in a company: those that have money (investors,) those that bring in money (employees,) and the rest (overhead.) Improve your processes so that very little of the overhead is needed and you save a ton on salaries of spreadsheet managers.

      Seriously, if your *middle* management is pared down to the minimum you will find that there are grunts doing a lot of work and a thin layer of people above them doing almost as much. By work, I mean things that bring in money or support bringing in money. Not overhead/busywork. Not 'mission' statement meetings.

      However, the best way to eliminate costs is to have income that makes them tolerable. Otherwise there is no time/people/resources to do the things that keep a company alive (like training, strategy and long-term development.)

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      "You cannot have a General Will unless you have shared experiences. You cannot be fair to people you don't know."
    6. Re:Automation by TheCabal · · Score: 1

      At a previous job, we used to take data that was uploaded to us, process it and give the results back to the customer. Early on, it was a very manual process. We even had to have people check the upload directories every few minutes to see if new data had arrived. When we went into "24 hour Application Service Provider" mode, one executive actually brought up the idea of hiring students who would sit up all night and drag files from one folder to another. That didn't sit too well with some of us.
      After actually pinning down the CTO and operations people and wrestling some kind of standard from them, we were able to develop a staggering amount of automation in a short time. Everything from notification that a customer had uploaded data, to data normalization, and later on, complete automation of the data processing and delivery of results. It implemented a lot of different technologies such as zsh and SQL Server. When I left, we were working on Version 2, which was extremely atomic, and could intelligently schedule and allocate resources to handle whatever job was queued for processing. The amount of time freed up by all of this allowed us to focus our people on developing the actual product instead of click-Refresh every few minutes.

    7. Re:Automation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Where do I send my resume?

      I've always been of the opinion that a programmer is there to do that. Unfortunately the last employer I had was a contracting company, and they seem to take the opposite strategy.

      Didn't help that my manager, and all the other programmers there, was of the school of Let's Do It Over And Over Forever.

      Gah. One of the things that led to my eventually being laid off was that I wanted to give the manager an interface to set the data-driven options for each of the otherwise identical databases. Rather than allow me to do that, he just insisted that the test plan for each system would serve as the design doc. He'd then give me a bug list when the database didn't match.

      grrrrrr

      How do you survive a place like that when that guy was the person the IT director looked to for answers?

      I didn't. lol

    8. Re:Automation by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      I've automated other people out of jobs, it's not always a good feeling when you do that.

    9. Re:Automation by MostlyHarmless · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear!

      I'm also very glad that you mentioned Python in your comment. Certain tasks can be handled by a shell script, but once you have a certain level of code that must be written, Python is a nice compromise that will let you do just about anything, with the added bonuses that non-technical people (or ex-programmers in management, etc.) can look at it and have a rough idea what it's supposed to do, and that other programmers can modify the scrtipt relatively easily.

      That's why every decently-sized company should have one programmer (not just IT staff, but someone who knows how to program): for automation and timesaving. Non-technical people are often content to do some repetitive task over and over again, not realizing that it can be automated. They are surprised when I tell them that a 10-line program could do the same thing for them. And then they worship you for the time you've saved them :-p.

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      Friends don't let friends misuse the subjunctive.
    10. Re:Automation by rivj0r · · Score: 1

      I'd like to meet you so that you owe me a LOT of jobs mate.

      I am a network designer / implementer and I contract for the most part. My job role is always to do myself out of a job by automation. Designing highly supportable, predicatable networks and then leaving it to the cheaper support personel is what I do. If it weren't for the happy references the sheer number of jobs on my CV would make me unemployable.

      So anyway... hows about I buy you a beer? :)

    11. Re:Automation by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      "If someone automates himself out of a job, you bet your ass I'd find him 10 more jobs to automate himself out of. That guy is worth his weight in gold."

      Thanks for the great advice. Now let me tell you how it works in the real world.

      If you automate yourself out of a job, you are out of a job. Period. Most management I've seen rarely thinks further ahead then the quarter earning statements or their next department meeting.

      Manager 1: "This guy set up a bunch of scriptsersumpins and now everything works automatically!"

      Manager 2: "Great! Is his job done?"

      Manager 1: "I think so."

      Manager 2: "How much does he make?"

      Manager 1: "$****** a year."

      Manager 2: "His job is being done automatically now. That's another cost we can eliminate from our department."

      Manager 1: "Will do."

      Greatly over-simplified, but you get the idea. Down at our level, it's all about the project. The higher up you go, people start caring less about the projects and more about the bottom-lines. It's all very politcal, often with managers duking it out to try and get their piece of corporate pie for their departments/projects/ etc. Any sort of fat that can be trimmed, even if it's good unsaturated fat or omega-3 fatty acids, will get cut. Some do it out of self-preservation, some do it to climb the corporate ladder.

      Managerial in-fighting has left more than one very good worker by the wayside.

      This is why working for smaller companies can be an advantage. When the few upper levels know you and your work personally you are much better off and you will be appreciated for your innovations.

      In bigger corporations, the upper levels merely see you as a cost. If you can be marginalized, you will be.

      Very sad, but true.

      ~X~

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    12. Re:Automation by cornjones · · Score: 1

      so I just started new job a couple of months ago. I was sitting in my managers office when some guy walked by. "That guy is a perl god" says my manager and proceeds to tell me about why we hired him.

      It seems at his last job he would spend his extra time writing super complex perl scripts. He would write a script called "bill.pl" (or whatever the other employee's name was) that would do everything that bill did for a job. Then they would fire bill and he would work on "mark.pl" or similar.

      Glad I didn't tell him my name. B)

      ej

    13. Re:Automation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the fear component. Many of the PHB types won't let you automate yourself out of a job, because then nobody else can do your job (even though they could always do it the old, slow way.) It also makes it impossible for them to fire you, because nobody else knows how the systems work. The things that are written for yourself are usually not as user-friendly or general purpose as commercial software, so if a competant programmer isn't around they can be trouble.

      That said, I have made myself far more productive this way. In college I worked for a prof who handed me a computer and a mess of data to process. I did it his way and it took days. By the time I left his lab, it took seconds (and the results were more consistent.) Now, I live in AutoCAD all day. Man, do I love an application with a command line and a LISP interpreter. I have thousands of lines of code to do anything and everything for me. I share with the rest of the department, too, so I save the company all kinds of money.
      Not that they notice, of course. They will when I find a new job.

    14. Re:Automation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I work it's really obscene the ammount of redundant, tasks which could be automated.

      Same here, but the reason management doesn't want to automate anything as they are afraid that it will scare the (union) worker bees. Its a little condescending how management views them as idiots. Granted, a lot of them are and would need to be walked through how to play Solitaire the first dozen times, but come on. You treat people like morons and you get morons.

      Management's big mantra is consistency and that there can be no errors involved in a repeatable process. While that sounds good from a "five 9's" perspective it really stifles innovation.

    15. Re:Automation by hughperkins · · Score: 1

      Bear in mind that the cv of *everyone* above you looks better if they are employing more people, not fewer. This goes right up to a very high level.

      The only people who really care about cutting costs are the share-holders.

    16. Re:Automation by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

      Makes sense. But some automation is simply to mitigate the stupidity of some managers. I came across a middle layer manager (who I suspected had trouble spelling 'komputer' [in HP, no less]) who insisted that (amongst other things), "IIS6" should be typed out in full on problem reports, as "Microsoft Internet Information Server version 6.0".

      Why? "Because people reading this won't know what IIS6 means." "And do they know what it means when it's typed out in full? Because if they know what it is in full, they'll know it also as IIS. And if they don't, they shouldn't be reading the report." No dice. We supplied a key press macro to the poor bastards having to type all this shite in. Quite a few of them.

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      Did he inhale?
    17. Re:Automation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree. I look after the IT for a small group of pharmacies. Now this places me in all sorts of situations, from "to print the report you press the enter key" to coding something to do this or that. The good thing about my situation is that I work closely with the owner and so he realises some of the things I do.

      For example... we have people entering invoices into our POS system at each of our stores and it seems crazy to me that the accountant then had to re-enter these invoices into our accounting software. You would think it would be easily fixed, a simple export and import. But no, our POS system has just about no exporting (well not the data you want anyway). So I write a little program to grab the information as it is entered and I save the accountant (who gets paid more than twice as much as the data entry clerks) more than 20 hours a month. Not heaps but there are several things I have done like that and they quickly add up. You then put a dollar figure to the amount of time you have saved and management should start to take notice.

    18. Re:Automation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't need grunt programmer's writing easily templatable code. We need smarter senior programmers writing templates.

      Heh. We recently hired a supposedly senior programmer, and he refuses to reuse code. Seriously. He's working on one module of this program and wants to write the whole thing from scratch.

      (Conventional wisdom says we should fire him and hire someone else, but unfortunately he was the only qualified programmer we could find after searching for several months.)

    19. Re:Automation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been there, done that. Try to lower your standards. Start automating something that requires very little effort (maybe a weekend). Invest that weekend, and get results; be sure that management notices it.

      Everything is easier when they start to pay attention. A little each step, I have been able to switch the IDE, change the whole CVS repository, introduce XDoclet, junit and ant in a 80-people project where I was specifically forbidden to try anything of the above.

      You only have to slip one feet inside. The rest will follow.

  62. Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've found that buying all IT equipment from CDW has really saved us a lot of money added overall value.

    1. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see the /sarcasm line in your post! You can't really be serious? CDW is one of the biggest drains on an IT budget! -- unless maybe you are a CDW Account Manager?

  63. Where are your costs? by Daniel+Boisvert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're spending lots on new hardware, see if you can wring more life out of the old stuff.
    If you're spending lots on software upgrades, see if you can hold off on a cycle.
    If you're spending lots on bandwidth, shop for a new provider that may get you a better rate.
    If you're spending a bunch on outside consultants, put together some numbers showing how much cheaper it would be to do that work yourself.

    Maybe you've got excess server horsepower and could get more use out of what you have by switching to thin clients (and get off the PC upgrade treadmill). Maybe your management will be more receptive to Free solutions now that money's tight. Maybe I'm rambling on without enough information to go on.

    Without knowing where the bulk of your costs are, it's damned-near impossible to give you any decent advice on cost-cutting.

  64. consolidate servers by alen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have seen people put a server into production running some app and maybe 10% of the CPU and RAM is used at most. Try to consolidate your servers to run multiple tasks, but don't go as far as breaking the vendor's recomendations.

    Another suggestion is run the right tool for the job. Not every database requires Oracle. my company runs on MS SQL server and we are looking at Oracle in the future as we grow. If SQL is too much look at MySQL or some other lower end database.

    Don't upgrade unless you need to. We run Windows 2000 and we are looking at 2003 only because we are merging with another company at the moment.

    Control resources. I always have people yelling for more mailbox space and file storage space. Tell them to have their department buy it and they STFU.

    Do some legwork. Projects and needs come up and it usually means a new server is bought. After a while there is a clusterfcuk of servers running different things. take time out and consolidate servers.

    1. Re:consolidate servers by sd.fhasldff · · Score: 1

      Control resources. I always have people yelling for more mailbox space and file storage space. Tell them to have their department buy it and they STFU. While controlling resources is necessary, this seems a bit BOFH-ish. I've had to live with several severely limited email accounts and in the end, the costs associated with having me try and clean my account, search for mails I archived somewhere else, re-request information because that pdf was just taking up too much space, etc. clearly outweigh the costs of a new hd.

  65. Off lease computers by doombob · · Score: 1

    Find a local leasing company that is selling their computers that have just returned from being leased. If you need computers in your office, you will pay less than half price for barely used computers. Most leasing companies lease to places like lawyers offices and such who turn out to use computers very little (it's mostly their secretaries). If you have a budget for needed equipment, it will reduce costs.

    p.s. to some of the people out there, what kind of IT department needs to do work that can't be done on a P4 1.8GHz vs a P4 3.0GHz?

    1. Re:Off lease computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      p.s. to some of the people out there, what kind of IT department needs to do work that can't be done on a P4 1.8GHz vs a P4 3.0GHz?

      Good God man, this is Slashdot! Why are you trying to stifle hardware development! The world needs this technology to have any hope of surviving the future! Talentless hacks need it to perform "video editing" and "3D rendering" so they can produce as much garbage as possible in the shortest amount of time!

      Seriously, though, a person making $60K having to wait for their computer to do something because Systems wanted to save $200 on a computer is not a good thing. Computers are just tools and if they hinder our talent in any way, they are not doing their jobs. That doesn't mean that every secretary should be handed a 3GHz machine, but IT people usually find good ways of using extra horsepower. Personally, I think I'd rather have a bigger flat panel screen than more CPU, though.

  66. stop buying HW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are still buying hardware, fork over about $3000 for a copy of VMware ESX server instead and reap the benefits of server consolidation. A 10-1 ratio of virtual-to-physical systems is common.

  67. We saved a bunch of money by SubTexel · · Score: 2, Funny

    By switching to Geico! Err umm, oops. Sorry Just pops into my head everytime someone asks about saving money. Damn those Ads!!

    1. Re:We saved a bunch of money by sharkey · · Score: 1

      No, you have to wrong number! You want Gecko!

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    2. Re:We saved a bunch of money by KyleJacobson · · Score: 1

      That will save you 15%, and no matter how big or small a company is, 15% in 15 minutes is quite a big chunk of money!

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  68. Force users to take ownership by Kagato · · Score: 1

    At some level, the business needs to take ownership for what things cost. If IT is paying for toner and ink, start charging them back. Departments that use resources should pay for those resources. Look hard at your service contracts. How often are you using that support? Would you be better off with a per incident system? If you have a lot of
    unathenticed file storage why pay for MS licenses? Get it over to something free. Look at where your costs are going and cut them.

  69. cutting costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's catch-22. If you turn off hardware overnight, you can't do off-hours maintenance (virus updates, scanning, pkg installs, defrags, etc. etc.) so you do them during working hours and pi$$ off the staff who get more angered and fire you sooner.

  70. Turn off the interweb! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn off the internet. You save in bandwidth costs and support costs when some user downloads and runs CLICK ME NOW.exe.

    Yank out floppy drives and CD drives and you can also cancel your anti-virus subscriptions...

  71. Shrink your way to success? by G4from128k · · Score: 1

    Although cutting costs is a fine idea, your IT department may be able to help the rest of the company deliver more top-line and bottom-line growth. You might want to think about how IT can help the sales-force be more productive, help ensure that customers get what they want, help employees keep working, help managers see the big picture, etc.

    I'd think about (and document) how you can add value, not just cut costs.

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  72. Halon by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    activate the halon fire suppression system,
    save a bundle on payroll.

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  73. No more upgrades. by bigmoosie · · Score: 1

    Slow down your hardware/software upgrade cycle. Hire some interns, you don't need to pay them. And make lots of images. If a manager has a problem with his machine, re-image. It will be his responsibility to do a backup of his data. If not, he's not doing his job. Reduce the speed of your pipe. If you have a T-3, goto a T-1, that will reduduce your budget a ton. Use an add blocking proxy such as proximitron(spelling). Use mozilla Firefox. 95% of the web sites I visit work perfectly under Firefox. There are some exceptions, notably microsoft. The more adds and popups you can prevent from being sent down your line the better. All those images that come in popups, those are bandwith being wasted.

    ~ryan

  74. Do it Republician style by randallpowell · · Score: 1

    Lay off people and hire tmeps for anyting short term. Only have skeleton crew for thr IT dept.

    1. Re:Do it Republician style by seanellis · · Score: 1

      Oh, I thought you were going to say "Start a war with a smaller company, then skim your IT budget off the inevitable funding increase."

      Note to FBI: Joke! Joke!

    2. Re:Do it Republician style by N3WBI3 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm given Clintont signed nafta into law (after he promised not to) and went soft on China (after he promised not to) why is this a republican only problem? Clinton put the highest number of H1B workers through..

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  75. You should promote your value to the company! by surfinbox · · Score: 1

    You're falling into the classic trap of trying to manage the spiraling cost pinch on your efforts because you are viewed as a "Cost Center". What you need to be doing is making careful ROI decisions and working with the Executive Management of the company.

    What you need is to show that money invested in your operations has a positive effect/ROI/benefit on the company such that your area is looked as a potential place to INVEST funds.

    Let's face it, if you can demonstrate that you are worth 10% annual growth to the company (sales, services, lower errors, increased productivity, etc) then you shouldn't have to fight the discussion about CUTTING YOUR COSTS. Instead the C-Level Execs will be thinking about ways to INVEST in your IT area to PROMOTE growth in the company.

    1. Re:You should promote your value to the company! by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      This post may be a little too buzzword friendly for the average slashdotter, but it's good advice.

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  76. we saved big bucks by spirit_fingers · · Score: 0

    All we did was install a vending machine for the Mountain Dew instead of providing it free. Yeah, they grumbled for a while, but it put the company back in the black.

  77. I got a better idea by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    downsize the IT managers who cannot say "No", as they are the ones that force IT departments to overwork themselves.

    "Here are the projects I want you to work on."

    "But these projects are commercially available for less money than our development costs to make them."

    "I don't care, I made promises to other departments that we will do them."

    "But it will take a staff of 200 to do these projects in 3 months. We only have 30. We will need more time."

    "We don't have the budget for that, so everyone will be forced to work 80 hours a week with no overtime pay."

    "In some cases we already have some of these software projects. Like Microsoft Outlook for scheduling and contact management, and Microsoft Project for Project Management."

    "I want custom versions of those programs, because I promised them to the other departments."

    "Well at least can we have a raise to compensate for all the overtime we will put into these projects?"

    "No, in fact, I have to cut everyone's salary in order to help budget more money for marketing and executive pay raises."

    Then the IT department has a 90% turnover rate for four years of this, and each IT employee that is fired or leaves ends up costing 150% of the annual salary for that position to replace, which adds more to the IT budget.

    Then after being over-stressed, over-worked, and suriving 4 and a half years of this, I get really sick and end up being fired and replaced with someone willing to work for half of my salary.

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    1. Re:I got a better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were played. You obviously have no idea how enjoyable it is telling bosses to go fuck themselves. Try it next time.

    2. Re:I got a better idea by IronChef · · Score: 0

      Then after being over-stressed, over-worked, and suriving 4 and a half years of this, I get really sick and end up being fired and replaced with someone willing to work for half of my salary.

      It sucks when you realize you are worth half what you thought you were!

    3. Re:I got a better idea by irishdaze · · Score: 3, Funny

      what the hell? were you working for EA?

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    4. Re:I got a better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No - it sucks when some idiot in management thinks that someone can perform your job even one quarter as well as you can for half the money. What a joke.

  78. Look seriously at Open Source by sc0nway · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We were in a similar bind three years ago (and two years ago, and last year too now that I think about it....). One of the things we did was replace Bea Weblogic instances on our 40+ production machines with JBoss. It saved the company about $2M in licences. When one the programmers in my group complained of the slowness (We needed to tweak our configuration) I just pointed out that saving the $2M was the same as 30 of us not getting axed. But the morale of the story is that if you are serious about saving money look how much you are paying for software licences yearly and see if there are viable open source alternatives to the big dollar items.

  79. Look at Telecom by mfarver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many smaller companies do not play close attention to their phone bills. They might squeeze every penny when buying new computers or office furniture, but often the phone system and lines are whatever the phone vendor installed 6 years ago. Just like cellphones the phone provider doesn't tell you when a new cheaper plan becomes available.. and the market has heated up.. plenty of competition (at least for business services) means everyone is cutting prices.

    You're probably no longer in a contract with one vendor anymore, and you often have choice for local service, or even VOIP providers. Ask accounting to cough up the phone bills (hey telecom is an information service, therefore its IT's responsibility)

    It is not uncommon to find that a company with 50 employees is paying $2-3000 a month for long distance, internet and local phone service. Often there are a few old "modem" lines no one is using.. too much voice T1 capacity. Whatever.

    These days you can get great deals with non-incumbant carriers, epecially in the combined data/telephone market. $400/month for a T1 with shared voice and data is not uncommon. (whatever T1 bandwidth is not used on voice is allocated over to data) A T1 for data or voice only often runs $700-$1000/month. Saving a few hundred bucks per month gets multipled by 12 for thousands per year in savings. There is nothing like saying you just saved the company the cost of your salary.

    1. Re:Look at Telecom by kc5goi · · Score: 1

      I second this motion. I have had to do the phone bill review recently. I inherited a situation where one of our offices has 23 analog lines. No one bothered to review the bills. Of those 23 only 12 go to the phone system. 3 are lines I dont HAVE to have. I talked to dial tone providers and we decide to get rid of most of the analog lines and go to a full PRI. We save roughly $200 a month on that one move, I get more effective use of the 23 lines the PRI gives me. We also modified out long distance to much cheaper rates. So much cheaper, we canceled metro service. At another office, I found a compeditor that was able to save me over $300 a month by going from thier PRI to someone else (from Verizon to SBC). Last item we did was ban 411. We are going to have to change peoples habits but we averaged $97 at one site per month in 411. Hmm, I need to see if I can get some of the savings put on my check.

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    2. Re:Look at Telecom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a person who works in Telecom, I say congrats to you for being a smart consumer.

      To the rest of you, hey...you guys aren't alone in IT. We in Telecom are getting the shit kicked out of us too (still). So...cut us a little slack eh? I know...you can't. Damnit all. I knew I should have gone into law and sued the general populace!

  80. What We did by Heem · · Score: 1

    At my company, we needed to save money, So, my co-workers and I got laid off. Seemed to work. Sigh.

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  81. Where do you spend it? by AT · · Score: 1

    Where do you spend it? For most IT organizations it will be:

    - payroll: Obviously, shrinking the staff will help here, but also consider reducing overtime. Reducing the workload, hiring an intern for user support, streamlining operations all can help.
    - software licencing: Migrate away from expensive software, consolidate servers.
    - hardware purchases: Extend the lifetime of hardware, push back on upgrades, negotiate better prices with suppliers.

  82. Turning off monitors does help... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turning off monitors can actually save quite a bit of money over a year.

    Using the Dell E773s 17-inch GSA Color CRT Monitor as an example, it uses 70W power on average. Assuming 7 cents/kWh (probalby lowballing it these days)

    0.07kWh*12h/day*$0.07/kWh*365 days/yr = $21.462/monitor in savings. If you're at a big company or institution, turning off 2000 of these for 12 hours a day would be equivalent to saving $43000/yr! While that's not a huge amount, it's enough to catch people's attention.

    Even switching to flat panel monitors will save a bunch because they use a lot less energy (~25W). Enforcing a "monitor off" policy can save quite a bit.

  83. Your are hurting the whole economy by xv4n · · Score: 1
    We recently got the news that we needed to cut costs

    The day all companies start doing the same as yours we will end up in a deep recession. Spending is what keeps the economy in motion. Tell your management to move to Cuba or North Korea.

  84. Application servers by eyeball · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Investigate replacing some or all of your install base with some form of centralized application services, like Citrix, MS Terminal Services, X11, VNC, etc. It may be a big undertaking at first, but in the long-run, time and money resources would be focused on keeping a small amount of large centralized clusers maintained, rather than a desktop for every employee.

    Flexibility would be opened up by allowing people to work from home via the remote clients. If you went with Linux (or a few others with similar capibilities), the desktops could be diskless, further reducing desktop management. Virus/adware/spyware management would almost cease to be an issue.

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    1. Re:Application servers by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      >the desktops could be diskless

      Windows can be diskless too - we have a handful of WYSE thin terminals. Takes about a minute to set-up and the cost is now reasonable, certainly less than a PC. Until recently, thin terminals were more expensive than a PC.

      Rob.

    2. Re:Application servers by eyeball · · Score: 1

      I can't believe I forgot about that.

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  85. Don't just look at cutting costs in your own dept by plsuh · · Score: 1

    Put together a plan that focusses on costs and profits beyond your own department. Everything an IT department does costs money -- but everything it does should in the long run end up increasing profits overall. The key here is profits. If you get management to fund a project that costs $50,000 but it saves the company $100,000 elsewhere, that is $50,000 more profit. If you get management to fund a project that costs $300,000 but it brings in $750,000 revenue the first year, that's $450,000 in profits. If you can make a convincing case you can actually have your budget increase.

    For instance, look at what the costs are for the sales department when each salesperson has to maintain a separate list of customers and contacts, instead of having the IT department maintain a customer relations management (CRM) solution? What are the costs in time and money? More importantly, what are the costs in *missed opportunities* because individual salespeople didn't know about what other salespeople were doing?

    Or, what about getting a site license or corporate license for software? What is the cost for individual departments to purchase copies of MS Office for each computer vs. buying a site license?

    However, don't overreach -- under-promise, over-deliver for your first few projects to build credibility. Start small, build up to big. Also, get user buy-in; don't create projects that ram changes down users' throats, even if they should save money in the long run. Those kinds of projects tend to fail, since users tend to passively avoid using the new features of an otherwise good package.

    --Paul

  86. It's a management mantra... by Vexler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's the management's responsibility - not the IT staff's responsibility - to make sure the company comes out in the black on the balance sheet every year. The average IT staffer doesn't see every penny coming in and going out - that job belongs to the CFO and the accounting department.

    Management needs to take a stock of how the cash is flowing and make strategic decisions on how best to save for long-term growth. Buying that shiny and new equipment may not make much sense, until you realize that you are throwing away five times as much money in manhours every year by not biting the bullet and upgrading.

    I used to work for a manufacturing facility, and there are a lot of old-timers who think that saving money involves turning off their PCs every night. But they were not looking at how much time they are wasting every day in dealing with old OSs and crash-prone programs. They also did not look at how much time I (the network engineer) had to go over and "fix" their machines by rebooting for them.

    Having your corporate culture mumbling to itself "gotta save money, gotta save money" is a good sign that the senior management, together with middle management, has not done its job in formulating and communicating a coherent game plan to the rest of the company.

    1. Re:It's a management mantra... by frission · · Score: 1

      I agree on some points. I work for a very small company, and all of the execs travel very often. When this happens, they're just simply not around often enough to see what could be improved, or what costs too much money.
      When this happens, and the "grunts" have a better idea of what needs fixing than the management, then you gotta do what you gotta do...that might be the kind of situation the poster is in.

  87. Give it a chance! by the_non_geek · · Score: 1

    I look at all of these poor programers working crazy hours with no job security, and I ask my self why they don't unionize? I wouldn't even have to be a crazy thing, just a small union that has lawyers to punish abusive companies. If there's enough people it wouldn't cost that much.

    1. Re:Give it a chance! by Taladar · · Score: 1

      Because there is one thing that geeks hate more than long hours, boring problems, ...

      and that is bureaucracy, lawyers and stuff like that.

  88. Saving Costs by kryocore · · Score: 1

    Yesterday at my work I received an extra monitor (17 inch flat, to go with my 17 inch LCD), a Matrox G450 card so I can use dual display, 256MB of additional RAM, an ergo KB, and a port replicator for my laptop. Then I went home and there was another new KB waiting for me (really late Christmas present). Yesterday was a good day.

  89. Spend to save.... by WickWickWack · · Score: 0

    is cliche, but in this case a worthwhile one. The higher the ratio of users & servers to support staff and admins, the more you need to have some sort of kick-butt desktop/server management toolset in place. Suites like LANdesk & ZENworks when fully and properly (I can't stress that bit enough) implemented, can save a ton of dough, by reducing the amount of time repetetive tasks take. Remote management, application, workstation and server deployment, application re-packaging - it all gets easier. You never know you could even discover that your department is overstaffed...

  90. best cut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in a small, overworked and understaffed IT department at a profitable business. We recently got
    the news that we needed to cut costs.


    tell em to fuck offf and both of you quit. thatll save em lots of money. especialy the cost of having a company.

  91. Quick and Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit.

  92. Re:Fire mid-level managers who don't do anything.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "I have people skills! I'm good at dealing with people! What the hell is a matter with you people!!"

  93. a method your boss will like by RealAlaskan · · Score: 1
    1) Fire everyone who knows what he's doing. Keep the manager and his secretary. This will save your oodles on labor.
    2) Use the savings to hire a consultant at twice the laid-off workers' hourly rate, claiming that he'll do the work in one quarter the hours.
    3) Update your resume with this triumphant accomplishment and find another, higher-paying job, fast, before the house of cards comes crashing down.
    4) Profit!

    This is a good plan, since there's no x) ????? step.

  94. The #1 Measure by sepluv · · Score: 1
    Maybe you didn't want to hear it, but I have two words for you:
    killing and users (and it helps a lot if they are in that order).

    Sometimes its just got to be done. An idea that I must admit I...uhh...stole.

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    [This post is in the public domain (copyright-free) unless otherwise stated]
  95. oveworked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in a small, overworked and understaffed IT department at a profitable business.

    Who doesn't? :)

  96. Purpose/Cost by orblee · · Score: 1

    Separate your deparment out as if it were a contracted company. Treat every machine, telephone, and networking infrastructure in your company as if it were a resource. Your IT manager/director can decide how much of that is an already written off cost and how much is still being paid for, with how much still being paid for being an investment paid for by the company.

    Everything else: support for the pre-existing PCs, new development work, maintaining of existing work, time spent on assistance on EVERYTHING, etc. is a resource your department pays for and expects recompense for, which pays for your machines, salaries, etc.

    Now you hit the proverbial problem. Cost savings still hits. If you spend a lot of time travelling to people's machines, show how you can save money by installing VNC on every machine... and so on.

  97. Dump dump and dump... by ajaf · · Score: 1

    ...Microsoft products. Use opensource ones.
    Use diskless terminals with linux and LTSP (no hard drives, no high memory, old hardware).
    Control the printers, put a code if your printer has the option so you know who is using all the paper and ink.
    You can save a lot of money with that.

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  98. Sometimes it's the opposite. by TheMCP · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sometimes buying software from outside is more expensive than just building it in-house, particularly if the outside software is overpriced (as it usually is), and if you can define a reasonable and limited set of features or the software to be developed in-house (this is where most development efforts fail).

    As an IT/IS manager, I have in the past been tasked with buying software packages for major company initiatives... and found that all of the decent packages that came anywhere near meeting requirements cost upwards of $75,000, and at that they wouldn't integrate into any existing systems. (This creates another set of logins to maintain.)

    For 2/3 that price, I could hire a competent programmer for a year. So, faced with this dilemma and an expensive package I needed to have, I hired a programmer. And the system was developed in two man months, leaving me able to use that programmer's time on other important projects. Oh, and the package integrated perfectly with existing systems, and was expandable.

    Okay, so having a full time programmer is $50,000 a year on the books every year, an ongoing expense, while buying the software is $75,000 and then it's over. (Except for the invisible ongoing administrative costs.) But, I saved $25,000 outright by hiring the programmer, and then if I consider that it actually only took two months of time to do it, I actually saved $66,667 by hiring someone. And then I could save more on the next project that I developed in-house.

    1. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by austad · · Score: 2, Informative

      The scope of your project was one where you could do that. That's not going to work for things like say an Oracle database replacement, or a world-class monitoring solution.

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    2. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by Taladar · · Score: 2, Funny

      This only works if you (as the hiring person) know a good programmer from a bad one.

    3. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      That's not going to work for things like say an Oracle database replacement, or a world-class monitoring solution.

      So it makes no sense to buy Oracle, then build the database yourself, but would be cheaper to hire someone from outside to build the database for you. It still works, but you get a shell program to start from. It's the difference between buying What's Up Gold and spending $20,000 for configuration and buying it and setting it up in house.

      The point isn't to reinvent the wheel. Any large project will require some configuration. Do you do than in house or outsource?

    4. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by downkaos · · Score: 1

      That's not going to work for things like say an Oracle database replacement, or a world-class monitoring solution. Thats why there is nagios :-)

    5. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, for small jobs, your outside supplier will quote ridiculous prices 'cos they don't really want the small job. It's because, in effect, they have to take the programmer back after 2/3 months and he/she can often be sitting around for a while until more work appears. But if they find someone idiotic enough to pay the inflated price, hey, they'll do it!

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    6. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by ces · · Score: 1

      What's Up Gold and spending $20,000 for configuration and buying it and setting it up in house.

      Dear lord, on what planet is What's Up Gold considered a 'world-class' monitoring solution? Frankly it is a steaming pile of crap that most OSS monitoring solutions outclass easily.

      If you want world-class cross-platform monitoring solutions you need to go with something like HP OpenView or Tivoli.

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    7. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If you want world-class cross-platform monitoring solutions you need to go with something like HP OpenView or Tivoli.

      Yeah, HP OpenView. Twice the functionality and 40 times the work. Well, if you count them out of the box, What's Up has more functionality than HP OpenView. Buy some extra crap and get an expert to set it up, and you might be able to get to the same point after $50,000 and a few months with HP OpenView as it takes with What's Up and a week.

    8. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by ces · · Score: 1

      Yeah, HP OpenView. Twice the functionality and 40 times the work. Well, if you count them out of the box, What's Up has more functionality than HP OpenView. Buy some extra crap and get an expert to set it up, and you might be able to get to the same point after $50,000 and a few months with HP OpenView as it takes with What's Up and a week.

      And open source beats the heck out of both on functionality and cost at least on the low to mid-range.

      As for What's Up, I've never seen it used in a complex enterprise or carrier environment, HP OpenView, Tivoli, or SunNet Manager and the like are pretty much the standard there.

      I've done some mid-size OpenView setups before and it isn't that hard to get working, particularly if what you are primarily interested in is SNMP monitoring.

      I'll admit I haven't dug too deeply into What's Up but from my limited exposure it seemed like an overpriced toy. Perhaps that is due to it being very windows-centric when what I was trying to monitor was network gear and UNIX/Linux servers. Still that tends to make it very much not a cross-platform tool.

      These days I'd likely use an open source monitoring solution unless I really needed some functionality (or integration of functionality) I simply couldn't get except by using a commercial tool.

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    9. Re:Sometimes it's the opposite. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I've done some mid-size OpenView setups before and it isn't that hard to get working, particularly if what you are primarily interested in is SNMP monitoring.

      I'll admit I haven't dug too deeply into What's Up but from my limited exposure it seemed like an overpriced toy. Perhaps that is due to it being very windows-centric when what I was trying to monitor was network gear and UNIX/Linux servers. Still that tends to make it very much not a cross-platform tool.


      I've used HP OV and am currently using What's Up Gold. What's Up used to be an automated ping program, overpriced and useless. However, it can now check services on Windows boxes (which I don't use, not being in a heavy Windows environment), as well as use SNMP and integrate nicely with MRTG for graphing. I have my SNMP traps sent to What's Up, then I have filters on What's Up to send me the traps I select to my phone/pager so I can read them as they come in. Ones I have scripted out as not as important are gathered in logs I review, or emailed to me. I poll with SNMP and if, say, the intake temperature on a router is too high (meaning the air conditioning has probably failed), then I get a nice little page telling me to check the room temp.

      I haven't seen anything in What's Up that can't be done with OpenView, but it was so much easier to set it up and administer it, not to mention $$$$ cheaper. It does what I need, which is monitor about 1000 parameters on 200 devices. Yeah, that's not enough to be truly enterprise, but it is larger than many places I've seen that have put in HP OV. Oh, and I worked one place (enterprise, 5000+ employees) that dropped HP OV for What's Up.

  99. Scale back support levels, i.e. say "No". by javaxman · · Score: 1
    I've seen one post where someone said "Say No.". That's the right answer.

    Look at your total IT budget, and allocate it according to priority of projects. Keeping your file server running is probably priority #1. Anything else, feel free to say " we don't have the budget to provide that level of support".

    Like all budgetary issues, know what you're spending the most money on, and save as much money on those areas as possible. Small stuff does indeed add up, as well, but it needs to be small stuff that is _actually_ IT spending. The power bill is _not_ really IT spending.

  100. Wrong assumption by bluGill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your assumptions are incorrect.

    For the 100,000 machine office they are not pay per kilowatt-hour like you are. They pay peak-demand, meaning that they pay for however much power they use at the highest moment, as if that was how much they used all day (sometimes even month!). Power at night is free because they pay for it anyway. They agree to this because if you do any management of use at all you can save a lot of money this way.

    Places that heat with electric see no change at all because either way energy use just turns into heat. At night things tend to cool down (no humans adding body heat, and the sun isn't adding heat), often a little heat it wanted (but not needed) even in summer months. Some buildings may not even have the ability to heat the building at night if the heat system was designed considering the equipment!

  101. Re:Fire mid-level managers who don't do anything.. by TrentTheWiseA · · Score: 1

    Isn't that a redundant statement?? Maybe by reducing redundancy you can reduce the redundent reductions.

  102. Virtualize Savings...Really by ARLogicalis · · Score: 1

    A lot of shops I've been working with over the past year or so have looked to save money on hardware maintenance, break/fix costs, administration, and the obvious overhead by virtualizing their servers and dev systems. Typically I see places drop several systems and consolidate on one of their stronger systems running VMWare products, saving hundreds even thousands depending on how they go about it. If you think about it an average 1U DP intel server that is outside of it's original warranty costs between 400-600USD to cover w/ an vendor warranty contract. Insert shameless plug here: Ask me where to start. ;-) Do I really want to slashdot myself...

  103. Terminal Server by siezer · · Score: 1


    Depending on the size of your company and the needs of your users, you might want to look into the Linux Terminal Server project

    The idea is:
    Set up one windows machine with Terminal Server enabled. Network book diskless workstations (aka super cheap, easily replaceable, no maintenance.) and have them book a small linux configuration that has them log in, and then immediately brings up an rdestop connection to your terminal server.

    Users can then log into the One Windows Machine and do what they need to do.

    This cuts down your administration time (cost) to only having to admin one machine, and all of the sudden your backups are centralized as well.

    For Linux users, you can either have then netboot their entire OS into a ramdisk and mount their home directories over nfs, or just have them open up a remote X login for a true linux terminal server.

    Something to look into...

    -s

    1. Re:Terminal Server by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      Is the "Linux Terminal Server" a Linux equivilent of Microsoft's terminal server environment or the Linux variant of the MS TS client?

      Rob.

    2. Re:Terminal Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very nice. Then when your single point of failure, mind you a microsoft product, goes down, all your users go down and quite possibly lose all their data...

    3. Re:Terminal Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of using just TS, add Citrix http://www.citrix.com/ and a second server or even a third server to the solution and use the load balancing. This will give you a much less down time and reduce the resources required to run users. A typical 3.4GHZ Xenon with 2GB of ram can handle 50 users with no resource issues. With 3 servers, you can load balance 100 users and even if needed during outage or updates/upgrades of one server, load balance all users to the other servers. Now before everyone screams, I would personally never recommend more than 30 - 40 users per server just in case of a failure. The benefit of this is centralized management, easier support with shadowing, less resources required at the workstation. It's is a pretty efficent way to handle this problem.

    4. Re:Terminal Server by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      Very nice. Then when your single point of failure, mind you a microsoft product, goes down, all your users go down and quite possibly lose all their data...

      You'd be daft to have a single point of failure. Almost every TS environment should have at least two servers for this eventuallity. Aside from it's easier to take one server down for maintenance during low usage.

      Yes, the server will occasionally crash but because you tend to test/pilot/configure/restrict applications more carefully in a TS environment, the system is surprisingly stable.

      Until recently we had 30 users running quite happily on a four year old dual 800MHz P3 terminal server. I continued to be amazed how it worked at all as my PC at home was faster...

      Rob.

    5. Re:Terminal Server by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      Instead of using just TS, add Citrix http://www.citrix.com/ and a second server

      Thank god! Somebody else who has seen the light :-)

      Oh yes, another way of saving a *lot* of money is instead of paying $$$ to web enable a legacy winapp, simply stick it on a terminal server. You can "web-enable" that VB client in minutes.

      Rob.

    6. Re:Terminal Server by eakerin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most linux distos use X11 for displaying GUIs, which has built in support for network transparency.

      Calling it a Linux Terminal Server is really just a way to explain the idea to people that only have experience with Microsoft products.

      So really, every linux machine can be a "Linux Terminal Server" and every linux machine can be a "Linux Terminal Client". There are a multitude of ways of setting up servers and clients, LTSP is one, Nomachines NX is another, and there are many other methods to manage it (you can easily hack something together yourself if you want).

      One other thing that X's native support for networked environments gives you is something like Citrix's seamless windows. You can run an app on your server, and it will display on your client just like applications run locally. In windows terminal services you get a desktop window with your app in it, or a full desktop session.

    7. Re:Terminal Server by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      Most linux distos use X11 for displaying GUIs, which has built in support for network transparency.

      Ahh right, got you now. It's possible that the Linux solution is more efficient and uses less of the server's processing power as it's off loading the rendering of the display to the client PC. I'm not 100% sure how the rendering side of TS works. I doubt it's like technologies like pcAnywhere and VNC which are brute force "which bits of the screen have changed, ahh yes, that bit - compress it and send it down the wire". TS works pretty well over dial-up modem so I'm guessing that TS & Citrix intercept rendering requests instead of watching a screen bufffer for which bits change.

      Rob.

    8. Re:Terminal Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that you can run Windows apps in "seamless" mode with Citrix, right? This is one of those value-add's that Microsoft refuses to implement, probably because of contract requirements with Citrix, probably because of anti-competiveness reasons, and because 90% of customers are happy with the cheap Windows Terminal Services which draws marginal additional revenue.

    9. Re:Terminal Server by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      You do know that you can run Windows apps in "seamless" mode with Citrix, right?

      Yes and very spooky it is too. We've host our VB6 application that way on the internet. End users just double click on a shortcut on their desktop and up pops the application in a window just like all their local apps.

      Rob.

  104. Stict SOE then Outsource support. by marcushnk · · Score: 1

    Sorry dude, but that really DOES work.

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  105. If your firm is profitable what's the problem? by nazzdeq · · Score: 1

    If your company is making a profit, why the squeeze? How about increasing market share or raising the price of your products or services? Or creating better products or services or some new ones? Most companies act like there's some big emergency, when really the goal is to make or beat analysts by a penny or two so the CEO's stock goes up. Management gets rich and the workers get screwed. You want to save your job, then work on getting out of the rat race entirely. -Nazz

  106. Cut functionality and raise quality of what's left by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
    Seriously. If you find you have less to do with, do a bit of project triage and abandon the bits that are desirable but have no hope of success in your current financial climate. Put 'em in a shoebox, they'er not going anywhere -- no matter how badly they're needed or who wants them. Save the money. Raise the quality of what's left because if you do even one thing well, you can generally market that.

    If the company is having trouble they need to realign their strategic focus, not dim the lights.

    The operating principle here is that if you make people wait, they'll generally forgive and forget -- people are used to waiting and not getting stuff. But if you screw something up they'll remember you forever.

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  107. Bill the departments by anatoxindustx · · Score: 1

    Have each department billed for the services you provide for that department. If a tech spends 3 hours on a computer from HR, make them pay for those 3 hours. Do not make them pay for the full cost of the tech but set a standard rate. Also set hardware/software standards. If the departments fail to meet those standards, they are billed at a higher rate.

    1. Re:Bill the departments by DanMc · · Score: 1
      I strongly disagree. First, you're creating a bureaucracy that will have it's own overhead. Second, you're assuming that users will become smarter, and avoid problems, thus reducing support costs. If users's don't reduce their problems, then the costs are going to maifest themselves in some other way. Worst case: non IT solving IT problems in short-sighted ways.

      In small networks, this never happens. In larger networks, departments (who are also told to keep costs down) try to solve problems on their own, and you quickly lose standardization and IT control over systems. You'll get the receptionist's son who's "really smart with computers" trying to fix things, and chances are, he'll be calling you asking you stupid stuff anyway. "I need the CD key for Office" is not really goign to fit into your billable IT world, because it'll only take 5 minutes and get you a few dollars, but the cost of ALLOWING that type of thing in the first palce is horrific.

    2. Re:Bill the departments by silvwolf · · Score: 1

      Maybe billing per hour is a bad idea, but what about per computer support costs? Charge back the departments $x per month for supporting their computers. Give em 100 computers and they can use em how they see fit. Throw 10 in the closet, they still get billed for 100 so you aren't losing money by having equipment hidden away someplace not being used. They give em back, they pay less, but you have those 10 computers to give to someone else.

      Set up service levels.. they wanna pay $x per month to have escalated support calls answered in 15 minutes, or pay a little less and lower the SLA. Some departments will feel the need to have their calls responded to as quick as possible, but some will have more tech saavy users and won't need such a high SLA.

      The departments are able to look at a piece of paper and see exactly what they are paying and what services they are getting, rather than just seeing a big number for that giant IT cloud. You're able to show them exactly where the money is going and justifying your existence.

    3. Re:Bill the departments by anatoxindustx · · Score: 1

      I see how in small networks it won't work. But it does work in large networks. A company I worked for does this and it works very well. The company had close to 1000 employee's and anywhere between 1-3 machines per employee.

    4. Re:Bill the departments by nosfucious · · Score: 1

      Three points here:

      1 Lock users down severely. Users should never be installing/removing office. It should also be against your IT policy to allow unauthorused access to company resources. c/f "receptionist's son". Support costs go dramatically down when there are no write permissions to "Program Files", etc, etc. No local Administrator rights, unless a severe justification in writing and countersigned by thier boss.

      2 Even if you can't bill the hours at least report them. A good helpdesk package that lets you enter hours on problem AND lets you pull reports out is a starting point. Doesn't look good when (say) accounting is bitching about expenses and also consuming most of your resources.

      3 Get some financial expertise on-board. Preferably with some IT knowledge. Have them not only analyse your costs, but all help report your SAVINGS.

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  108. HOW TO KEEP YOUR JOB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    1. Always eat a lot of curry and garlic.
    2. Pretend to be an Indian (see 1.)
    4. ???
    5. Profit!

  109. Some things by bluGill · · Score: 1

    First, make yourself useful. If you don't run VOIP already, proactively set it up. Put it on a server, roll out to everyone in an email, using some Ms Windows program on their desktop. Then point out how much would be saved if everyone was using this. (This is particularly good if you have a partner or supplier across the pond who you can connect to directly saving all long distance costs!) Then when people complain about what a pain it is to use a PC as a phone have their boss - from their budget - order a VOIP phone. Don't do this in the dark, point out to some high executives that their help in negotiating the contract is needed.

    Contact your power company. Some local power companies (but not all) will give you a reduced rate if they control your backup generator. (you do have a backup generator, right?) When they get close to their maximum load they turn your generator on and disconnect you from the grid until things ease up. In return you pay half price for power.

  110. Shop around. by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

    I don't deal much with this myself, but I know that where I work at the moment there's all these corporate directives for using certain vendors for this or that. It is stupid because we could be getting hardware and software cheaper elsewhere, but due to corporate mandates and only being allowed to purchase from "approved" vendors, we can't just hop on Froogle and get the cheapest part--even if it is exactly the same one we have to buy from someone else.

  111. Cutting costs elsewhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have a small department, odds are you're not writing software for sale. The department I work in has 3 developers and 2 sysadmins. We usually worry less about what we're spending, and more on how much time we're saving everybody else. If people are typing in data that could be run on an automatic import, you can save a minute per record entered. Whose department's coffers does this go into? Usually not IT's. If management is pushing for lower costs, let them know that you are lowering costs... for everyone else in the company.

    If that's not enough, consolidate servers, reduce the unnecessary hardware lying around, sell off old boxes (or donate them somewhere for a tax write-off), and hope that they don't try to cut costs again anytime soon.

  112. Outsource the management... by PhotoBoy · · Score: 1

    ... they're the ones giving themselves large pay rises when you do your jobs well. HP have apparently just worked this one out and given Fiorina the elbow, they're saving themselves millions a year apparently...

  113. Software platforms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pick your platforms carefully. If you pay a lot for software licenses and there's a good open source platform, migrate to it! If there isn't, then re-negotiate your contracts.

    I moved our medium company from Weblogic to Caucho/Resin. And from Netscape to Apache. And from an expensive search system to a open source service framework.

    I've also negotiated contracts down by 75% from "list". And if you actually give up certain rights or services, you can get them down 90%. This is sometimes not even all that difficult.

    These aren't trivial, and they all affect the bottom line. It's vital you know how much everything costs so you can focus your energy.

  114. Consolidating Servers saving licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My company recently merged 3 production servers and 2 test servers into 1P and 1T, and saved 3 SQL2000 licenses

    How can this save SQL 2000 licenses? You'd (presumably) already bought them, and MS certainly does not refund money for licenses once you've already bought them and had been using them.

    The only time when server consolidation saves licenses is when you're planning a simultaneous server hardware upgrade at the same time as both a Windows O/S and MS Server APP (SQL, Exch, whatever) upgrade... and that never "saves" money, it always _costs_ money to do that.

  115. Not at a small company, but here's a few ideas: by saundo · · Score: 1

    Consolidate servers.

    Even a few VMWare instances placed here and there can make a whole bunch of difference. If you're able to consolidate some maintenance expensive servers, even better. That's real money out the door each year that you will save.

    Mine software licences.

    Track every licence that is in use, track it and reclaim it when you decomm a server. Keep it in inventory and if you know you're never going to use it, terminate maintenance on it and save those dollars.

    Deploy/Build rapid provisioning tools

    Costs are also in time to deploy apps/systems. Invest people's time to figure out how to automate these kinds of activities and you will be able to quantify the value you are providing.

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  116. Open Source Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like the previous poster mentioned

    1. Open Office
    2. Firefox
    3. Evolution
    4. Linux as a desktop replacement for business use.

    The bottom line has just been improved by not spending a dime on software, now pay the IT guy more money like 50% of what savings incurred by use of open source.

    An IT person that has the best of both worlds which is linux and windows. There are something that linux just cant do and something windows cant. So you make your judgement based on cost savings in terms of cost of goods, labor, and of your course your TIME.

    some nerdy guy

  117. SIX SIGMA!!!! by ninana · · Score: 1

    That's what all the "great" companies use.

  118. Cutting Costs by jdehnert · · Score: 1

    Besides the obvious, switching to Open Source, etc. here are a few thoughts...

    1) Make sure you know what you are spending.

    If you don't have a baseline it's hard to tell, and even harder to prove, that you are saving any money at all. I have been in situations where Management, and I have very different ideas about how much certain things cost. You need to agree here, or it could get very bad, very quick.

    2) Don't allow others to use IT as a purchaser.

    How many times have you given out things? If your finance system is adequate you can transfer the assets when needed. This should reflect on your budget favorably, or it shouldn't happen.

    3) Know where your time goes.

    Few things sway management better that graphs and data. Gather statistics and you may find out that some time savers are not. Be prepared to loose a pet project, that can happen too, but it beats layoffs any time.

    4) Be ready to cut the chaff.

    Sometimes, a layoff is the right thing to do. If you have never had to do it, I can tell you it sucks really bad (I could tell you stories, but thats another issue), but if you have a team of 4 and 1 is a slacker, you need to look at that person with a critical eye. Once done, the workers will usually appreciate it as they no longer need to worry about covering unfinished work or assisting the slow poke. Remember, you could lay off Charles Manson, and someone will say "Oh my god! They fired Chuck!"

    5) Consolidate and simplify.

    Keep production systems as uniform as possible. You can support more and recover easier if you know the systems are 98% identical.

    I could think of more, but this seems sufficient for now.

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  119. Re:Fire mid-level managers who don't do anything.. by Assmasher · · Score: 1

    That's re-diculous. ;)

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  120. Wrong Question. Wrong Audience. by finkelmana · · Score: 1

    If you are trying to save pennies here and there, your IT department is the most efficient ever and you should be made CFO. The real question is "What does my IT department spend money on?" And you are the only person who can answer that. You need to look at your books and see where the money goes. Are you spending a lot on hardware? The simple answer is buy cheaper hardware. But, look a little closer and maybe you will realize the hardware you bought wasnt up to speed and you spend too much money on upgrades. The scenarios are endless. I would love to be able to look into a crystal ball and tell you what to do, but you are the master of your domain. Also, think outside the IT box. IT has the ability to cut costs outside their department. Learn what your other departments do and how they work as well as talk to their employees, you would be surprised how much you can cut time costs in other departments by providing them with the right tools. For example, I noticed one of the financial departments employees spending a lot of time in MS Excel every day, so I asker her what she was doing. After, listening to her I realized that a simple macro could do most of the work for her. Her work was cut down to a fraction of what it used to be allowing her to do more. That is money in the bank.

  121. The Numbers Fallacy. by fm6 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Sure every penny counts. But sometimes you can waste more effort counting pennies than you save in unlost pennies.

    A lot of companies are on a permanent cost-cutting binge simply because it helps upper management look good with investors. Now, it's often true that these policies get started when a company's wasting money. But they will often continue long after the waste has been dealt with, or even when there was no provable waste to begin with. It's just another example of how corporate policy is set by numbers dweebs, you justify their jobs by the fallacy that every reduction in cost is an increase in profits. It does work because (a) you do have to spend money to make money and (b) as often as not, the apparent cost reduction exists only because of some accounting silliness.

    A couple years ago, I had a workstation on my desk that wasn't quite up to what I was asking it to do. A lot of my time (and thus the company's money) was being wasted while I waited for the system to stop thrashing. The standard solution is to request a new workstation. But I thought that was just a little too much to spend. (I'd like to say I wanted to help control costs. But the truth is that I'm fundamentally a tightwad, even when it's not my money being spent.) Instead, I decided to request a RAM and disk drive upgrade which I calculated would make the system much more usable. Here's how it went:

    • I put in a request for the purchase. It's only about $300, but as a cost control measure, even $300 purchases have to approved at the VP level. I wait.
    • Weeks pass. I threaten to buy the hardware with my own money. For some reason, this threat, though often employed, is usually effective, and I'm told that approval is emmient.
    • The purchase is approved. But then my boss tells me that I'm in violation of a new cost control measure, because my workstation has been amortized and now makes the numbers look bad, because of IT costs. I agree to withdraw my previous request and put in a request for a new workstation.
    • Weeks pass. A date is set for the replacement of my workstation. But then upper management decides it doesn't like our numbers (we're solidly in the black, but costs are too high. So they impose a spending freeze. No workstation, no RAM upgrade.
    • Weeks pass. Freeze continues.
    • This goes only for something like six months. Finally, another issue causes me to leave the company.
    Is the company making every penny count? No, they're actually wasting money by working inefficiently. They wasted a lot of my time, then tried to buy a workstation I didn't need. But the numbers look good.
    1. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by TheCabal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is the company making every penny count? No, they're actually wasting money by working inefficiently. They wasted a lot of my time, then tried to buy a workstation I didn't need. But the numbers look good.

      At a previous job, the IT budget was on a permanent freeze. In the three years I was with the company, we had only made one major investment in IT, and that was at the beginning of my tenure. Now, we were an Application Service Provider, so our lifeblood was in our servers and how fast we could crunch numbers.

      Did I mention that the major investment in servers, all the servers were bought off of eBay and other second-hand vendors?

      So I'm dealing with four year old servers, with outdated hardware this is just slowing down more and more, while we are getting more and more customers, and larger customers. I tried explaining to the Powers that there is a fixed number of cpu-hours, and it takes X hours to process customer Y on our current hardware. We were operating at something in excess of 90% capacity. I gave several pleas to free up some money to acquire some faster, more robust servers, thereby reducing X, allowing us to handle more Y.
      But as IT is commonly held as a cost center, I got the usual "we don't have the money". I left the company eventually, but heard they hit a hard brick wall as the production environment was saturated almost 24 hours a day- the couldn't bring in any more customers. Sort of ironic that a company can get killed by its own success.

    2. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by fm6 · · Score: 1
      ... heard they hit a hard brick wall as the production environment was saturated almost 24 hours a day- the couldn't bring in any more customers.
      But at least they managed to control costs!
    3. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A friend where I once worked had a saying on the wall: "If the daily work takes more than 24 hours, your in trouble". If really got people thinking when they kept adding stuff to old hardware that couldn't keep up with the processing....

    4. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      You should've just "accidentially" spilled water into the case and get a new system: problem solved, as due to failure, you'd get a new system.

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    5. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by fm6 · · Score: 1

      As I said, I didn't care to waste the company's money. But of course the company's numbers-driven management did not reward me for my parsimony.

    6. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      So I'm dealing with four year old servers, with outdated hardware this is just slowing down more and more,
      Lemme guess. Those are Windoze servers????
    7. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I gave several pleas to free up some money to acquire some faster, more robust servers, thereby reducing X, allowing us to handle more Y.

      But as IT is commonly held as a cost center, I got the usual "we don't have the money".

      What the hell were they doing with all the revenue from those customers? Seriously, did you ask them? In those words? IT is not a cost center when your core product is IT.

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    8. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by TheCabal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Used the money to hire more salesdroids to "develop more business", and bought an entire floor of a hugeassed building, then crammed everyone into one tiny corner of it.

      Meanwhile, the IT processing power remained at a constant while IT staffing actually was cut. Interesting times...

    9. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, the IT processing power remained at a constant while IT staffing actually was cut. Interesting times...

      Screw 'em. They get what they deserve.

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    10. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by cerberusss · · Score: 1
      Finally, another issue causes me to leave the company

      And then you had an exit interview where they acted surprised about your resignation? Happens all the time...

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    11. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My last company did the same kind of accounting. IT was a cost centre, even though we sold services running on it. Developers and database staff didn't directly make money - only the salesmen and consultants selling the reports we produced.

      IT was drasticly cut, leaving few people able to run the system. The architects (I was one of them) were messed around - made redundent, offered silly offers of staying on as consultants, offered more sensible offers when we refused, by that time all had jobs lined up elsewhere and got out of there.

      Suffice to say the company is now in serious trouble if it still exists, and the management and bean counters that did that to it soon after they were employed to improve profit were sumarrily sacked and sent off to ruin someone else's company.

    12. Re:The Numbers Fallacy. by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      A golden parachute right before the company files for bankruptcy ?

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  122. mods on crack? by ron_ivi · · Score: 1

    Interesting!?! This was clearly an attempt at Funny

  123. Reduce consumables by prgrmr · · Score: 1

    In addition to shutting off lights, monitors (not systems), copiers, fax machines, and printers, actually remove some of these.

    You'll save on maintenance costs, even more on electricity costs, and most significantly, paper. The one company I worked for that actually made significant strides to reducing paper in the office did so by first pulling out the printers (starting with 2 of the 3 monster printronix P600s that spate out boxes and boxes of greenbar around the clock).

    Look at the other "usual" IT expenses from a perspective of risk management. Which risks do you want to cover, and how far? For what and to whom are you willing to pay for that coverage, and what are you willing to basically "self-insure" yourselves on? Printers are pratically commodity items these days, so perhaps you can afford not to have a hardware contract in place for them. Proprietary computer servers are a different story--in general.

    And then finally you can get pissy about the obviously extraneous non-IT costs too. Does anyone drive a company car? How many company-paid cater meals/meetings/events are there going on? And there rest of the usual suspects that we secretly want and are all to willing to complain about if we don't have 'em.

  124. Let the experts do it by madmaxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In our small office, we have cut costs by factoring out un-needed servers. When I started there a year ago, there were 30+ servers running in a cooled server room. They had a OC3, and were hosting their own mail, web, dns, etc.

    Now we have 4 servers running internally, and one running offsite. We pay a hosting company to manage our mail and web services, which costs us 1/4 of what we paid our own staff to do. We've dropped our fiber and use business DSL, which is another large savings. We also order all of our equipment from a very capable local shop, who take care of building and configuring hardware for us. As a bonus, or local retailer serves as our expert on hardware choices.

    A side-benifit of reducing the number of servers we use, we have a surplus of spare parts. These changes also allow IT staff to be redistributed in the company, doing more important things (like testing, customer support, development). While we still order new parts, we've been able to drop our hardware budget by more than half for the past year.

    Resources are better spent on things related to your products and services, so it's important to spend your people on those things as well ... and not on IT. IT, in many ways, is like plumbing or electrical: the business does well to have the services, but should not feel they need to do it all themselves. Stick to the domain of the business.

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    1. Re:Let the experts do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see how paying someone to manage web and mail can cost 1/4 of that it would to do yourself. We have looked into this for our company of about 300 users worldwide, and offsite exchange hosting would have cost us twice as much.

  125. It Depends ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are the IT Staff hourly or salary? Our entire IT staff is hourly, so is not paid extra for working 60-80 hour weeks. If you're doing the same, and you are hourly, that's a big change. Offer to have the department go salary.

    You say you're understaffed? Just how understaffed? Where I work we have 3 techs to manage: 4 Oracle Databases, a complete ERP system, a complete wireless and barcode system, 150 workstations, 200 employees, 20 servers, all VPN users, all custom programming and reporting ... ie, anything whatsoever in the company that is technical. And sometimes I think that we're overstaffed. Smaller, profitable companies these days like to see overworked, understaffed IT departments. They like to see people that wear a ton of different hats. Is it unfair? At least where I work, all the departments are run that way. That's why we get the 20+% profit sharing bonus that we get.

    Are you spending money that you don't really need to spend? And I mean it. IT folks tend to push to go with the newest and greatest technology, often when you don't really need it from a business standpoint, or you could buy something cheaper. Do you buy Cisco? Moving away from Cisco can be a huge price savings with little to no loss of functionality.

    Does the IT department take the hit for all computer purchases in the company? Suggest that instead, computer purchases are charged to the departments that buy them. That can make an enormous difference, and can also better capture departmental expenses.

    Are people in your department overpaid? In this market, someone who is willing to do the same job for less, at an equal or greater skill level, isn't usually too hard to find, I hate to say it. And management is starting to learn that to be true. It's just a cold hard fact that the exhorbinant wages paid to IT personel are going the way of the Dodo. There could be some of that left over though.

    Do you perform cost justifications for everything you buy that is more then a particular amount? Maybe just the simple act of justifying more purchases could widdle down the amount of money you spend.

    Are you using systems that are much more advanced then you need, and paying hefty maintenance on them?

  126. Wrong place to look for help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The absolute first thing you do is not look to Slashdot for anything but wet hankies and dirty diapers, you couldn't find a more glass-half-empty bunch of crybabies if you tried.

    Next, you realize that the profitablity of the company doesn't mean there's room for waste anywhere. The fact that someone's asking for cuts does sound like trouble, but anyone who thinks it can't be done better and cheaper should quit, start their own business and pay their own IT department to stagnate and complain.

    If you can, get someone to give you an idea of what the budget is now, where they hope to see it, and look at it exactly as you would a piece of code. For example, if power is 5% of your budget and you cut usage 10%, you've only cut .5% of your total budget. Your first attempts should be on the biggest expenditures or it just isn't going to make much difference. I'd guess payroll & licensing are relatively large, so plan for avoiding overtime and see if there's a way to consolidate licenses anywhere. That's an absolute guess though.

    The bottom line is you have to be as innovative within the company as the company has to be without to survive. You can do it, just stay positive and avoid advice from bitter IT folks that thought they were the only thing holding their companies together.

    Regardless of what happens at your present position, there is plenty of demand for can-do tech workers without the attitude. Read through a few of the posts and you'll see why nobody likes working with these people.

  127. Best of luck by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

    Nothing saves money in the short term like laying someone off. You don't have to pay the salary or the payroll taxes, and the remaining team will instinctively work harder to make up the difference in the hope that it'll keep them from being the next one to go.

    It all depends on how short-sighted your bosses are whether you should bother with saving money or looking for another job or not.

  128. How about? by Agret · · Score: 1

    Simply turning off the computers at night and saving pennies on processor cycles.

    Oh, right....

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  129. Er.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Turn off the firewall (tee hee!)

    2. Turn off the spam filter (chaos!)

    3. Disconnect the internet.... hmm.

  130. I think I would do something slightly different .. by nemaispuke · · Score: 1
    I always like managers that think IT can be "cut to the quick" to save money. So what I would do instead of killing myself cutting costs is ask for more money. When management screams why (which they will), justify it through a careful analysis of problems that can be solved by spending money and show cost savings through reduced effort, etc.

    My opinion is once you "OK" budget cuts, management will always see you as the "sucker" to go to when they need some quick bucks. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

  131. Buy Mac's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Ok, we all know it's not a total solution, but there are a lot of areas where all you need is something that works reliably for years on end.

    I gave away a Mac SE 8 years ago, that's a 15 year old machine, it's used for word processing by a office secretary and it still works just fine today.

    Cost of ownership? How about $50 a year grab you?

    It's M$ vunerabilities that is requiring the hardware turnover and thus a expensive IT deptartment, thus a outsourcing of your jobs.

    1. Re:Buy Mac's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Macs are expensive. The whole here point is to save money.

  132. Banked Overtime by Sandman1971 · · Score: 1

    They implemented banked overtime where I work. Basically there's a set amount of paid OT for a time period, and anything worked over that gets put in banked time. You're then free to take a day or 10 off when you want to/can, without dipping into your vacation time. It seems harsh at first, but over a small period of time you start to appreciate being able to take the equivalent of 6-7 weeks of vacation instead of the alloted 3.

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  133. More information needed by vdthemyk · · Score: 1

    Ok,

    More information would be great! What applications are you running? What hardware is running it? How much do you spend yearly in maintenance costs? What is your storage architecture like? How many employees does your IT staff support? What product or service does your company provide?

    These are all very important questions. You may be running on old hardware that requires 8 processor cores to run Oracle 9.2 database. If you upgrade to newer hardware, you could probably cut the processors need in half or more to do the same job. If you use multiple different storage products, this can really eat up time in systems management. If you go to a centralized storage pool and allocate resources off that pool, you may be able to cut Management costs in half. Depending upon the industry you're in, their may also be industry specific solutions that a tailor made to your needs.

    This vague question can not be answered in a chat room. Contact a IT infrastructure architect in your area to do an evaluation of your IT infrastructure. Often times this service is free. They will be able to point out inefficiencies in your IT dept, provide solutions to your problems, and do a cost/benefit annalysis to get an idea as to your ROI.

    Of course, you could always go to http://www.monster.com/ and get a new job.

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  134. Activity Based Costing by persaud · · Score: 1

    Numbers need to reflect true costs of procurement.

    Numbers aren't the problem. Incomplete numbers are the problem.

    Partial numbers are like partial syslog output. Detailed logs are essential to admin diagnosis. Detailed tracking of time costs are equally essential to budget diagnosis.

    The metrics are reality, but metrics too can be improved (i.e. metrics have metrics).

    1. Re:Activity Based Costing by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you're right. But the people you need to convince are those who generate and rely on the bogus numbers that are so popular. I mean, we're still mostly pretending that stock options don't cost the company anything. How that for a bad metametric?!

    2. Re:Activity Based Costing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      metrics are reality?

      Give me a break, I can come up with metrics that will tell me anything I want them to.

    3. Re:Activity Based Costing by persaud · · Score: 1

      You can, but convincing others to accept them will require more effort than developing the metrics.

      To the extent that widely accepted metrics drive business decisions, they are reality.

      The by-definition imperfection of all metrics need not stop us from seeking better metrics, when reality is impacted by documentable gaps in existing metrics.

    4. Re:Activity Based Costing by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      I sincerely hope you are trying for a laugh in your post. If not, you live in a sad world of corporate language and gobbleygook sentences and are probably mocked by your peers when you are not around (unless they are as equally brainwashed). Please please please tell me this was a joke...

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  135. Re:I outsourced my admins to India! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best technique is to simply get rid of all of middle management. The workers are all adults, they can "manage" themselves given a few orders from the handful of remaining executives. Bonus for execs: without managers, nobody's in a position to get promoted into your job!

  136. Innovate by ztwilight · · Score: 1

    You cut costs by making more money with your software. Learn how to use a more powerful text editor, and the command-line. Create a shared common codebase of the functions your company needs the most. Spend more time brainstorming and thinking outside the box regarding ways to make the business and operations better.

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  137. Value Proposition by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
    It's all about value. You don't necessarily have to reduce the IT costs if you can save money elsewhere. You can show how much value your organization adds by doing the following:

    1. Look at maintenance costs for less critical software and consider replacing it with something that has lower costs
    2. Look at business processes and see how IT solutions can streamline those processes and save money and time as a result. Typical things are workforce automation and reduction of time in the billing cycle. Set up very simple solutions that solve common problems.
    3. Consider dropping services that don't provide enough "bang for the buck."
    4. Reduce support efforts and costs by properly training employees and providing a self-help knowledge-base.
    5. Transition to lower cost hardware where it makes sense. If you've got a server that is grossly over-sized for what it is used for, consider redeploying it the next time a project calls for a new server.
    6. Combine servers so that you have multiple applications running on the same server.
    These are just a few ideas. I'm sure you can think of more.
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  138. Are costs saved or just moved? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An overworked IT department in a profitable company leads me to believe that many "new" processes may have been put in place to trim costs where they can be seen. Frequently in IT and Accounting areas that just means move the costs to the user where they can't be seen (long Hold queues, 3 day waits on trouble tickets). I've seen many new processes where a user on a direct budget (billable) is forced to spend hours of self service where a trained person on a measured (overhead) support budget might have resolved things in minutes, but this person is gone or unavailable due to process. This false economy seems to be in vogue now. How many people have spent 20 minutes in a tech support queue, what's your time worth?

  139. Reduce Total Cost of Ownership, Document All Work by TheMCP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As you no doubt know, your expenses in a system - be it software or hardware - are not only the initial purchase, but also its upkeep, both in terms of ongoing direct costs (upgrade fees, purchase of parts or media), but in time. Every hour you spend working on something is an hour the employer had to pay for you to be maintaining something existing instead of making something better. Employers like to see progress. They're much more willing to pay when they see you're making progress.

    So, this means you need to do two things:
    1) Reduce the amount of time you spend on maintenance.
    2) Document everything you do.

    So, let's look at these a little more closely.

    Reducing time spent on maintenance
    Examine your obvious unnecessary expenses and see how you can eliminate them.

    Having problems with viruses and spyware, or spending time on antivirus and anti-spyware software? Replace IE with Firefox and replace Outlook with... well, anything you like, really. That'll prevent a lot of viruses right away, and that's an enormous savings. It cost my organization $45,000 in staff time every single time a new Windows virus hit the net, and that's AFTER installation of antivirus software. The antivirus software never seemed able to keep up. Also, start replacing simple desktop stations with Mac Minis. MacOS X doesn't get viruses or spyware. I'm not saying you should take perfectly good stations out of service to replace them, but as you replace older systems with new ones, start putting macs in instead of new Windows boxes.

    Macs also tend to stay current several years longer than Windows boxes. So, you could amortize the purchase cost over an extra year, or perhaps even two, and save money on desktop machines that way.

    Wasting time setting up software on desktops, or maintaining the software on desktops that were already rolled out? Get a Ghost server so you can just ghost the machines. If someone's software is malfunctioning, don't go muck with their system in person, just ghost their system remotely and move on to the next task.

    Lots of your time sucked up by idiot users on repetitive problems? Spend a little time writing a how-to white paper, and when they call to ask that same old question, get the person doing triage on incoming support calls to just give them the white paper so they don't have to bother a tech. The faster you get that person off the phone or out the door, the less dollar value your employer spent on your time dealing with them.

    Spending time administrating servers? Reduce the number of servers. A smaller number of larger (expensive) servers, well backed-up and with substantial redundancy, is much cheaper to maintain than a large number of smaller (cheap) servers, because you only have to do each maintenance task once for one large server instead of umpteen times for umpteen little servers. I've actually seen organizations that literally had more servers than employees, and they couldn't figure out why they were spending so much on IT. Yeesh!

    Problems with viruses and security on servers? Servers going down from time to time? Replace your Windows servers with Apple XServes. They're fast and easy to configure, can integrate into your existing LDAP login environment, can support both Windows and Macintosh clients (your users never have to know), and can easily be set up for RAID and redundancy. Apple also has superb offerings for on-site maintenance agreements.

    Documenting all work
    Employers often think they can get away with making you cut a person in IT because they don't understand what IT does, so in their mind IT doesn't actually do anything. You need to show them how much you really do. This means very anal-retentively documenting EVERY action of EVERY staff member, and indexing it to the customer as well.

    I mean, if the phone rings, there should be a record in the computer of who called and who they talked to and for how long and about what. Got a stupid user who requires constant hand-holding? S

  140. Just a few ways to save money... by Mr.Fork · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You need to do a few checks:
    - Review current software licences and maintenance agreements. Ensure each agreement is necessary and that you are actually using them. Check and see if instead of a blanket cost, a charge per incident might be more economica. I just reviewed mine and found over $100'000 in unused maintenance for software that has been retired alone.
    - If you were planning workstation upgrades, could increasing the memory delay purchasing new hardware. This has saved my department over $200'000.
    - Are there problematic machines and equipment that you could retire?
    - Are you leasing your printers, or do you own? If you own, why aren't you leasing them? (that will save you thousands alone)
    - Could you run VMWare servers instead of buying new equipment?
    - Check your ISP contract. Are you really using what you need? Could you downsize your internet connection?
    - How much overtime are you paying your staff?
    - Do you hire college students during summertimes or contractors. You do realize hiring summer students is a cheap and effective temporary workforce.
    - Have you considered brining in co-op students? Do any colleges need people to work for free just to gain experience? ...and this is just the top of the list...

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  141. Frame the problem better by linuxwrangler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You need to find the answers to some questions:

    Are all divisions being pressured to cut or just IT?

    You say that IT is overworked but is the IT operation efficient?

    How central is IT to the companies business?

    How aware is senior management of the contributions of IT?

    How does your company compare to others in your industry? For example you may be profitable but if you make your investors $.01 per dollar invested and your industry average is $.10 then your company probably has a problem. Also, how does it compare in use of and expenditures for IT?

    Are there indications that the company is facing problems that will require belt-tightening?

    How is IT's performance perceived throughout the company?

    Is IT's capability being underutilized by the enterprise?

    How resistant is the organization to change?

    I could come up with more but you get the idea. With some digging you will soon be able to determine what is _really_ happening.

    If someone in power is targeting IT only and setting you up to fail they are probably just setting the stage to outsource. Polish up your resume.

    If you find that the company is doing fine then this could be a scare-tactic method to lower or eliminate bonuses and raises. Your call whether or not you want to stay.

    If IT has a reputation as a bunch of BOFHs then you have been digging your grave for a long time. If you survive in the short term, this needs to be fixed. Sure, some users can be a pain but users are the reason IT exists at all.

    If changes can make IT more efficient, suggest them. Just be careful not to confuse efficient with effective. Doing an unnecessary thing efficiently is not helpful. You may even find that its time to wean remaining users from costly legacy systems.

    Think like a businessman. Have you renegotiated with your suppliers? Phone time, bandwith, hosting, loop and similar charges have plumetted over the past few years. Are you paying yesterday's prices or staying with an overpriced vendor?

    All the time be sure to remember to judge savings against profit, not revenue. I just dropped our DS3 loop charges by $12,000/year. That's not even a quarter-percent of the revenue of a $5,000,000 business but if the profit of that business is $50,000 then that saving just increased profit by 24%! A lot of businesses are just barely in the black if they are profitable at all. And that loop-charge saving is just 1/10 of what I saved by switching vendors a couple years ago. Costs count.

    At the same time don't get boxed into "IT is just an expense". Years ago I read a story about senior managers at an auto company all discussing the painful reality of sagging sales and they started spending a lot of time trying to decide just which factories should be closed when one of the managers said, "I have an idea that will save us _lots_ of money. Let's close _all_ the factories." He got a laugh but most importantly he broke the tension and refocused the meeting.

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    1. Re:Frame the problem better by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      If your profits are only 1% of revenues you've got big problems.

      Anything gets slightly worse, and you will lose money. Shortly after that, no more company.

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  142. 10 vs. 90 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've heard a rule called something like '10 vs. 90': 10% of the effort has 90% of the desired effect. In this case, the 10% would probably be 'turn off unused CRT monitors', since the rest of the computer probably consumes a lot less electricity while running.

    As another poster pointed out, where is money (otherwise) being spent? It might be discovered that money is being siphoned away somewhere...

  143. Save Money - cut from the top. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just have the CEO and EVPs take less in pay and bonuses. If your company is like most, the people at the top are overpaid.

    HA!

  144. Consolidating Servers by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although you can't get money back on the extra server licenses, it does save you the cost of ongoing licensing and support for the retired machines, as well as the rack costs of the machines (if they're hosted remotely). You can also consolidate them into the two most recent boxes, and thus avoid the possibility of the older machines dying sometime soon.

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  145. You get what you pay for by fruitbane · · Score: 1

    Because Helpdesk/Support/IT services are expensive, people always want to cut them, or downsize them, or whatever. But the bottom line is you get what you pay for. Pay only peanuts and all you'll get are trained monkeys.

    Modern business has decided, for whatever reason, that it needs computers. Well, if they intend to use computers they need to support them and keep them going. The company that cuts too many costs may find they'll lose more in the long run because stuff just doesn't work any longer. The only way to truly cut costs is to hire competent people, compensate them fairly, and make sure they have what they need to do their jobs. When you remove any of these elements you more than make up the costs by losing money elsewhere.

  146. easy by batura · · Score: 2, Funny

    Block slashdot.org in your proxy server!

  147. True, but.... by bondjamesbond · · Score: 1

    What I've found is that the bean counters don't know jack about IT, which is why they ask us how to save money in the realm of What We Do. They don't teach IT fundamentals in an MBA program - they teach accounting, management case studies, business law, etc...

    1. Re:True, but.... by TedTschopp · · Score: 1

      True, and this fits exactly what I'm saying. The question isn't how to save IT money / Jobs, but how to save your company Money / Jobs. The question the person asked is making an incorrect assumption. He isn't thinking with the whole long-term in mind, just his department.

      A manager understands his company but he might not understand IT. What is needed is someone who understand the company and IT. And then the decision might be made to outsource. It might be a decision not to outsource. But all that requires you think with the Company as a whole in mind. If the company is publically traded, or has stock, think about penney's on the share price over time.

      Another way to see that he is thinking wrong is to see that he thinks IT costs the company money. He should be saying, NO, we save you X amount of money.

      He is already loosing the battle unless he changes the way he thinks and then he needs to change the way the company thinks. To do this he needs to do the things I mentioned above. What is the companies core business. My guess is that it's not IT. Learn that business, learn how to create solutions for that business which leverage technology as part of their solution. Learn how to manage people and groups (even if they are not present.)

      Then he can say, I am not costing the company $X, I am saving it $Y becuase it use to cost $Z and now it costs $Y less. If he can't prove that he is saving the company this money, the company is better off without those positions (becuase when they loose those people they will at least be able to start the cost/benefit analysis of IT, and be able to make informed decisions)

      Ted Tschopp

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  148. Purchasing/Vendor Agreements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd suggest you have a look at your vendor agreements and see if you're paying for any services you don't need or use. In my case, I was able to cut $15,000 from the 2005 budget by switching from one of Sun's higher priced unlimited support plans to a pay per incident plan.

    Also, take a look at whom you're buying from. We tend to use outlets like CDW that have much higher prices than other vendors.

  149. Sometimes it's the simple things... by bmorris · · Score: 1

    Using lots of disk space for text files? bzip2 -9
    Using lots of cycles for a custom application? compile with -O2, or even better buy a license for Intel's compiler

    All of a sudden you need less hardware to do the same work.

    Less hardware == Less $$
    These sound insanely easy, but it's amazing how many organizations aren't doing the simple things...

  150. IT always on the chopping block by Hellboy0101 · · Score: 1

    Many people ask why IT seems to always be in the cross hairs for budget cuts. This is fairly simple: IT departments spend money, they don't make it.
    They are however, the people who provide the tools to make a business a success. However "soft" costs such as support are often overlooked.

    Part of the buisness problem in America is that the short term is very often as far as planners and executives can think. Cutting people is not often the best way to go about saving money, but it's fast and provides a quick return. Part of your job, believe it or not, is to sell management on the cost saving AND productivity effectiveness of your IT infrastructure, and certainly standardization of your policies and practices.

    For instance, small buisnesses can benefit by going to a terminal services environment vs. standard PCs (especialy an LTSP or NX environ). Why? Fewer machines to patch and/or upgrade can result in less downtime, and save money on either a) hiring additional IT staff, or b) save on any contractors or maintenance vendors having to fix multiple machines. If a nasty virus gets released, you patch one machine vs. 5 or 10.

    As stated before, take a look at what policies and procedures you have implemented, and look for any unnecessary actions or redunandcies. For instance, do you have multiple data sources that contain the same data? These are most often being maintained by two people, when one person, and some automation, can possibly handle it. The other person can be re-assigned to another dept. that needs the help. We do employee sharing where I work, and inmost cases, it's effective. Our IT staff sometimes performs duties normally carried out by our building maintenance. Simple wiring, or maybe installing a power outlet is easy, safe, and frees up remedial busy work for building maintenance when an IT person is available. The same is true in reverse. When computers need to be moved and re-setup, and we're short handed, a quick call to the maintenance dept, and one or two guys may be availble to do installs for us.

    Hope it helps, and good luck!

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  151. Learn Hindi... by bgspence · · Score: 1

    so you don't need to hire the higher priced English speakers.

  152. How I Did It in the Past by thelizman · · Score: 1

    1. Enforce energy conservation. Make monitors shut off after 10 minutes of not being used. They use as much power as the rest of the computer. They also produce gobs of heat which the HVAC systems must shuttle out the back door, costing still more money. And sheilding be damned, they still produce testicle shrinking fetus killing radiation.

    2. Recycle old hardware. An old PII200 makes a great IM server, low-rate database transaction server, file server, group-ware server, intranet web server, etc. You don't need the latest greatest high speed low drag systems to serve e-mail in most companies.

    3. Lock the machines down. This is probably the most effective measure, since IME 70% or higher of IT helpdesk calls result from some yahoo installing unauthorized software, or playing with the settings. Unfortunately, it's often the hardest to accomplish. Managers and power users feel they have a right to play with those settings, or install cute screensavers they get in the e-mail. You might be able to sell management on deploying policies on the grunts machines, but its harder on the managers themselves. The key to this is first showing that there will be definite cost savings by deploying policies on the drones machines so that instead of playing solitaire all day long, they'll only be able to use productive apps related to their job. Then appeal to their Sun Tzu inspired, new age corporate bushido code by telling them that by allowing them to be subject to same policies as their underlings, they'll be setting a good example and demonstrating leadership. Remind them that Wal*Marts top execs double up on $50/night rooms just like they ask their middle manager to do, and who can argue with the cult of Wal*Mart?

    5. Cut back employee hours. I know this sounds counterintuitive, but IME an overworked IT department will always be overworked. Offer your techies random days off, extended lunch breaks, or early outs on a voluntary basis. This will help reduce their stress levels, break up the monotony, and prevent the dreaded meltdown of your IT base (i.e., the guy who "fucking quits!" during the heat of the moment). I recommend you also figure out who your least productive workers are, and only schedule them for the busiest hours in order to augment your good techs. By using employee time more effectively, you can cut overtime hours, reduce employee strain, and also spot the clock-watchers who drag ass on purpose to bankroll the OT.

    6. Cut costs outside of IT. IT is one of those department where management has no clue whats going on, so when they tell you to cut costs what they're really saying is that they don't see the value your department provides, and they're trying to push the bottom line. If you save the company hundreds of dollars on their long distance and 800 lines by encouraging everyone to use Skype or VOIP, that bottom line gets lower overall, and it comes back to you eventually anyway. And there's always FOSS solutions that can replace old, slow, outdated, or inflexible systems like payroll, crm, and so on. These days theres a new business app showing up on sourceforge every day. And finally, although most techs cringe at the though, hold classes on computer use basics. Teaching people things like how to kill locked up tasks with Task Manager, or advice like "reboot the machine" empowers the end user, reduces insipid help desk calls, and gives you back your productive time. You also catch people doing stuff like not backing up, or shutting the computer off by holding down the power button instead of using the shutdown command.

  153. Re:Simple, really... - YOU'RE DOOMED by Maow · · Score: 0
    the writing is on the walls as plain as day: ...profitable company...wants to cut costs...

    Some bean counter is trying to squeeze as much efficiency out of you folks as possible. If I had to guess, the company is going up for sale soon and they need to make the place look as good as possible for the sale.

    Mod the parent up!

    A profitable company trying to save a few pennies by shutting down computers overnight is headed for trouble.

    Best to start looking for a new job now, as soon their focus will be on you when looking to slash costs.

    Funny thing - is when they cut so many costs that it starts getting expensive - I love when that happens. Serves 'em right.

  154. Irony by vertinox · · Score: 1

    I have often felt the irony of the fact that a great deal of money, time, and resources are spent proving one is saving "the company" money.

    In reality, it's about finding way to make redundant tasks more efficient and unnecessary tasks done away with.

    That and consolidate your servers... That's about it.

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  155. you want a diagnosis without giving symptoms by avi33 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Without trying to sound too snarky (there's plenty of that posted already) it's really hard to say without knowing what you're spending your money on. There are huge industries out there that will do this for you (and say, pocket 50% of the savings as a fee) so keep in mind that in asking Slashdot, you get what you pay for. I've been through similar circumstances at past employers, and there are a few easy places to start looking.
    • Identify where your biggest costs are. Services? Licensing? Personnel?
    • Go for the big fish. Saving $200 per workstation for the entire enterprise will create a lot of work, headache, retraining, and frustration. Merging servers to kill off a few licenses will require time and effort, but with a verifiable ROI.
    • What services do you use, outsourced, ASP model, or otherwise? You would be surprised how willing your vendors might be to renegotiate terms, even mid-contract. Take the approach of "You're not just a vendor, but also our partner in this business, and you have a vested interest in seeing us succeed. Act like a partner and we'll have a long lasting profitable relationship for both of us. If you refuse to work with us on this, we will waste no time in looking for your replacement when the contract is up." We renegotiated a number of contracts like this, and a couple that wouldn't budge? They were out the door.
    • Determine what your core responsibilities are (to the business). Use a minimum of hardware, services, and personnel to reach that goal (in the short term). If you are serving as the "junk drawer" for the entire organization, they will cut their costs and pass the responsibility on to you. Until you quantify exactly what your role is, you won't be able to push back and say "If that goal is important to your department, then you need to find a source to fund that project." Suddenly everyone's pet projects aren't so important when they have to chip in for them.
    • You need to manage expectations, as in, you won't noticeably lower the electric bill before the end of the month, but you can say "2006's budget is $50,000 lower due to the licenses that we won't need to renew." Document how you have been able to cut costs, if possible without cutting service. You will probably be faced with a midlevel executive who will say "Okay, now you really have to tighten that belt." You need to be prepared with a statement like "We've tightened our belt 25%, and we can tighten it an additional 25% if we stop supporting projects x, y, and z."
    • Personnel decisions - Not to advocate layoffs, but if you're keeping someone around at $90k to do a single job that can be outsourced for $30k, you should outsource it. Ideally, you'd bust your ass to make sure that person was shifted within the company, where their talents could be used to provide more services and capabilities to the company. Again, not to incite a flamewar, because it's a complex and sensitive issue here, but it's probably too late for that.
    • On the flip side, for the past couple years, the market is quite ripe to replace agencies with independent contractors. You need to be skilled at finding the good ones, and managing the projects.
    • Further beating the dead horse: licenses, services, and personnel.
  156. Reduce Biggest Costs First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trimming pennies accomplishes little and can actually cost a lot more when you consider all the 'rollout' meetings and memos for the brilliant new accounting initiatives. You need to start by reducing your highest costs and work down.

    Believe me. I've been there. More than once.

    Step 1: Fire all the developers. They're expensive.

    Step 2: Reassign all the support staff to count paper clips. This creates the impression of productivity while...

    Step 3: Management leaves town with the remaining cash.

    Oh, wait... you're not in management? Never mind.

    ^W^W^^W^W^^W^W^^W^W^^W^W^^W^W^^W^W^^W^W^^W^W^

    Trust your leaders and carry on with the great job you're doing!

  157. Linux terminals by Micah · · Score: 1

    Simple. Switch as many people as possible to linux terminals with the Linux Terminal Server Project.

    Software needs to be installed/upgraded/removed in exactly one place, with a simple RPM command. No viruses (nobody but IT has root). Everyone has a piece of junk desktop computer with no movable parts (hard drive) that can break. Backup is much simpler than backing up workstation HDs.

    Then spend all day reading Slashdot and STILL save the company money. :)

  158. Selling on Ebay. by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
    you can sell the old servers on ebay if you don't need them and you company allows.

    Remember to sanitize the disks before you do this. The easiset way is to boot into something like Knoppix and running something like "shred /dev/hda". If you don't want to trash partition and bad-block info, /proc/partitions will list the available partitions that you can trash individually.

    There have been a few cases in the past where people bought boxes off of ebay and found 'interesting' info on the drives (including internal bank databases). Remember that just deleting the files or doing a high-level format only clears the descriptors but leaves the raw data in place.

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  159. Re:Automation - we have .8 FTE's automated by Torqued · · Score: 1

    With just one of our small systems, we have over 80 tasks automated. We added up the time it takes to run each task and figured out it would take a person sitting at a PC .8 FTE's (1664 hours) per year to run all the tasks. Plus, our tasks run at all hours of the day/night/weekend. We get an email and a page if a task fails and we get emails on all successful tasks. The absence of a failure message doesn't necessarily mean that your process completed. When we get failure notifications, it even tells us at what step the task failed.

    The software we are using (Automate Professional Edition) cost us $395 for a single machine license - pretty cheap for almost a "man year" of work!!

  160. Entirely Remove Your IT Budget by Wicked187 · · Score: 1

    You should not have an IT budget at all. You need to come up with a cost per client machine for cost and support. This would include costs to cover network equipment related to a client machine. Then each department needs to allocate the amount of money needed to IT to support it. Any info. systems needed will be paid for by the departments that use them.

    Simple as that.

    At that point, always try to find ways to reduce the price of services provided.

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  161. Two words by !Squalus · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Use Linux.

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  162. Lower costs by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    Lower costs in IT

    yea, that was shameless.

  163. obviously by Rage+Maxis · · Score: 1

    use open source, and google instead of manuals and calling in. use older hardware and buy must have shit on ebay.

    Better yet tell them it can't be done, do it like I said and pay yourself the extra cash in "contracting fees".

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  164. Here are some suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here are some small changes my department made:

    1) No more coffee

    2) No water cooler (drink from water fountain)

    3) No night cleaning crew

    4) Only run 1 elevator rather than both of them

    5) Take a bigger cut of the profits from vending machine sales

    6) PROFIT!

  165. Establish an expectation of service by pcguru19 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been through this too many times in the past. The simplist way to deal with this is:

    1. Establish a budget that meets the paper-pusher's needs.
    2. Off of that budget, outline the services, uptime, and response time you can deliver with the money you have. Spend a little time backing up what you say.
    3.Publish that to the rest of your company and let them know this is the new performance standard you'll be delivering to the company. Make things that impact executives(like email, bandwidth speed, etc) the things you reduce services on the most and leave the core business needs alone. Sell it as a decision that you weren't willing to compromise the core services you provide to the business.
    4. A suggested change if you don't already to it is to charge other departments for an outsourcer when employees create a problem from spyware, malware, or installing random crap on their machine. It's a good incentive for that employees manager to do something about them being an ass and it takes some of the pressure off you. We work on this stuff ourselves and use the outsourcing money to help us out with some tougher stuff elsewhere in our department.
    5. Trust me on this one, once you put these rules in place other departments WILL spend their money on you.

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  166. cheap consulting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is available on slashdot. Oh wait, you already tried that. Ask us to solve your problems for free ;)

    You need to be much more specific about what your IT department does. IT is pretty broad.

    If you really are overworked, understaffed, one suggestion would be to add staff. How does this save money? Because overworked employees are rarely as productive as they could be. Although humans are the most expensive resource in almost any business endeavor sometimes adding more makes cents.

    Let's see your annual budgets for the past five years and forecast for the coming year. The only way to really convince yourself and management that you're doing everything you can to save money is to figure out how much of it you're spending, where it goes, then creating some measurable goals that are challenging but reachable.

  167. Even cooler? Hybrid system. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Using linux/bsd as a base, you can have a custom image that runs on the machine. In one VT you have ica "always on". In one VT you have a limited environment with some kinda IM, firefox, whatever for browsing the internet/intranet, etc. This image could even come PXE. Ooooohh.... I get myself all tingly.

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    1. Re:Even cooler? Hybrid system. by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      This image could even come PXE. Ooooohh.... I get myself all tingly.

      For a while, we standardised on the Compaq iPAQ (the PC not the PDA) as our dumb terminals - they looked nice :-) We had set-up down to a simple GHOST restore but it's on the list to check out PXE.

      Rob.

  168. Vigilante eh? by BearJ · · Score: 1

    Uh...you might want to think about that one a bit. Remember the story about the guy who got canned for trying to do this to his boss? Sure, he was correct, the boss was a moron, but upper management didn't take too kindly to this IT guy's actions. Anyone have a link to the story?

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    1. Re:Vigilante eh? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I remember the story but wasn't the problem at the time because he installed a keyloger to catch him?

      There is a little difference between looking at a browser cache and complaining that the majority of his repiar time is because of the sites visited and installing a keylogger to prove what he is typeing.

  169. the best cost saving measures... by rivj0r · · Score: 1

    are made by putting a dent in the highest cost to lowest benefit zone. I.E. Cut management. The pyramid falls over when you chip too far at the bottom, but it stands just fine when you lop off the top. So go back to your boss and tell him hes fired. Let me know how that works out for you. :) Turning of computers and monitors? Oh please, you should already have a network system that enforces this where possible anyway and if you don't then theres an obvious money saving area that you haven't been addressing.

  170. profitable business penny pinching? by doktorjayd · · Score: 0

    offer to quit.

    then sell back you services :)

  171. telephone/internet service by peteforsyth · · Score: 1

    Costs for telephone and Internet service are always falling, and even though you're probably somewhere in the middle of a 2- or 5-year contract, you can probably manage to get your provider to lower the month-to-month costs if you get a good quote from a competitor. They want to satisfy you to the point where you're not always looking for an alternative, and will probably drop your rates to a market level if given the proper incentive.

    Also, in my last IT department, everybody (most of all the manager) was afraid to actually familiarize themselves with the line item charges on the phone/internet bill. The phone company uses all kinds of FUD to make this seem confusing, but it's really not too bad. Ask for a dedicated customer-support person there (if you're a big enough company this will be no problem) and ask them questions until you understand. You might end up saving thousands by eliminating unnecessary services or combining redundant services.

    Also, consider switching to a VOIP system...big up-front costs, but huge month-to-month savings, especially if you do much long distance.

  172. You're right. And you're very wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Money, and time spent cleaning up 0wned Windows boxes is expensive"

    If people are salaried, there is no cost savings associated with less work.

    I can tell very few of you guys are managers. You don't even understand between operating costs and capitol costs.

    No wonder you're getting outsourced. You don't have a clue how your own business runs.

  173. Nortel Networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work for Nortel Networks. They saved a lot of cash by laying of 2/3 of us! Just imagine how much more in red they would have been if they'd kept us...

    1. Re:Nortel Networks by Goose3254 · · Score: 1

      Added benefit...by purchasing Nortel products, companies can force thier current effective networking staff to leave rather than work with that junk and get blamed when it doesn't work as expected.

    2. Re:Nortel Networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an additional suggestion here, buy refurbished Nortel products, twice the instability for half the cost! SAVINGS!

    3. Re:Nortel Networks by Munrobasher · · Score: 1

      >I used to work for Nortel Networks

      That's made me go all goose bumpy. You have reminded me of the time I tried to get TAPI working with the Nortel Meridian PBX. I still have nightmares about it.

      Talk (ha ha) about making a relatively simple subject over complicated. The sooner telephone systems become just part of the computer network, the better.

      Still have to program the Meridian using Hyperterminal or, if we're lucky, MAT.

      Rob.

  174. Step 1: Get rid of Windows completely by NatteringNabob · · Score: 1

    Every time somebody tells you that they can't do without Windows because they absolutely must have application X, you have just identified 2 expensive software products that your company can do just as well without. It might well do better.

    Step 2: Thin clients. If your users are primarily using web based apps and email, they don't need a PC. SolarPC has some nice LTS machines that only cost a couple of hundred bucks. You will save money on air conditioning and power as well. And you will save a fortune on system administration. Of course, YOU will be fired for suggesting Step 1 at 99% of the companies in America, so it would be wise to have a Plan B.

    1. Re:Step 1: Get rid of Windows completely by teknomage1 · · Score: 1

      You can get a brand new dell sans monitor for $350. Not that I think thin clients and terminals ar bad, They're just not worth buying new hardware for.

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    2. Re:Step 1: Get rid of Windows completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you use your current desktops and as you grow you implement the thin client systems. The thin clients should be cheaper to maintain overall with fewer moving parts, etc. so it's not unreasonable to use them in expansion projects even when full-blown desktops are similarly priced.

  175. Invest your Money by Conception · · Score: 1

    What I have found is that if done correctly, spending more on IT is an investment. What you should do is look at how other departments works, how they spend their money. You will probably find they are quite wasteful, i.e. printing every report rather than emailing a PDF or automating some process for a small example. Find solutions that will lower overall expenditures while increasing money into IT. It'll make the company happy, the departments that work better will be happy and your departments increased budget will make you happy. IT should not longer be seen as a reactive department. It is a capital investment in the structure and foundation of your business. It should be treated as such.

  176. bandwidth limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Institute bandwidth limits for the bean counters who are pressuring you. Remember every bit helps.

  177. printing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paper and ink / toner cost a lot. Stop your co-workers from printing out pr0n, cookbooks, non-work-related articles they found on cool web pages, photos of their grandkids, chat logs, etc.

    I had a coworker who did this stuff a lot. I used to spend 15 minutes every trip to the printer just getting his junk out of the way so I could get to real work-related printouts. I redirected his printer to the one on the department manager's desk.

    The problem took care of itself quickly.

  178. Apples and oranges. by Mistlefoot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be frank. Advice on how to save money for a small company is the topic at hand.

    You indicate 25,000 computer with 15 techs.

    Quite obviously saving $100 in hardware per PC would save you $1/4 million. Cutting back on 15 cell phones....peanuts. You are likely to be inclined to look for savings in regards to hardware - or per PC. A small computer with 30 computers and 3 staff will have far different needs. Saving $100 per computer would be the same as 2 weeks wages..... Peanuts.

    I don't know the answer but I do think that you're situation is far from similar.

    1. Re:Apples and oranges. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point is the same, though. I remember starting Word for the first time on a shiny new desktop we had bought while I was in college. It went from double-click to functional almost instantly. To say that again, MS Word ran as fast or faster on a 1996 machine as it runs on a 2004 machine. So for someone typing up documents in Word, an 8 year old machine is just as good as a new one. The same is true of many applications that spend most of their time waiting for the user. No productivity lost, and lots of savings.

      Then again, you could get a Wal-Mart machine cheap enough. The software licenses will still cost you, though.

    2. Re:Apples and oranges. by TWX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I worked for a small company that had one IT guy (I was in QA) that handled our thirty or so PCs, three or four network servers, the phone/data cabling, programming the PBX, and assisted in building the systems that customers ordered to handle pager traffic. One guy did all this. Admittedly the bulk of the staff was computer literate and we probably could have done it even without the one IT guy, but it didn't require cell phones. He had a cell, but he had a work pager and he'd be reimbursed if he had to use it to call in for something. Workstations ran until they were wholly inadquate for their tasks, and then were reallocated to other tasks (frequently to Quality Assurance for use as test generator machines), while servers were replaced or added frequently, probably more frequently than necessary. Labor was the vast majority of our internal IT expenses, with probably about a third of our internal expenses being equipment. So, probably about $90,000, if that high, and could have been reduced if we'd been more thrifty with our purchases.

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    3. Re:Apples and oranges. by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      Then again, you could get a Wal-Mart machine cheap enough. The software licenses will still cost you, though.

      The software doesn't cost *that* much, but if you're really hurting for cash you can easily strip Linspire off of it and install MEPIS or plain-jane Debian and get your software from the Debian pool instead of paying to use Linspire's Click-N-Run Warehouse.

  179. Simple Really by Goose3254 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keep infrastructure in the house and offshore development. Numbers look better in the short term. Long term deliverables falter. Middle management weenies who would rather gut the company than let go of thier fat bonuses to make an arbitrary number get cut. Competent worker geeks get promoted to middle management where they fail abysmally. Original developers are brought in as contractors to get the project back on track, although at twice the cost. CIO who prompted cycle gets new job with more money at another company. Original company gets bought by CIO's new company. Original company's officers stock options sell for enough to retire to Palm Springs. Second company's employees positions are threatened by management with first company's current staff. Keep infrastructure in the house and offshore development.... Rinse and repeat.

  180. fire yourself by Ken+Williams · · Score: 1


    fire yourself and outsource to India.

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  181. Become a cost center. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Business units of a company will shift costs from their department to IT in an effort to make themselve look good for a quarter. For example, manufacturing wants to save money by training employees online rather than flying out to a site. They of course reduce their costs and look great for the next quarter. IT however, had to purchase the server, put time and effort in establishing an IPSEC tunnel, and provide support for the system. Business units are just that and will take advantage of the IT departments culture of getting the job done and making whatever they dream up happen. Costs shift from their department and the IT budget gets bigger and bigger so where do the cuts come from. You have to play their game and become a cost center in your corporation and charge business units for everything. Ever try to get a new stapler or whiteboard? They find the most expensive vendor based on whoever gives the largest kickback to the facilities manager. Need some cube space, it's like buying a penthouse in Manhattan. Logically segement your network in departmental subnet and charge based on bandwidth usage. VPN access you say, monthly maintenance fees need to be attached. If you've ever had to support VPN users from home you would probably appreciate making them pay. Account setups for new employees? Charge them. Need a IPSEC tunnel? Charge them. It is the only language they understand. IT managers from a techie background that I've worked for usually don't have the savy or the stomach to do this. They get shown the door and the pointy hairs hire a heaping pile of "What changed on the network during this outage?"

  182. What a crock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know what would happen when a fan fails, nothing. The machine continues to run just fine. Then when someone comes in and uses it, and the CPU actually does something and gets hot, it shuts itself off. Then I am called and send someone to fix it. Oh, the horror!

  183. Computers are expensive and unstable, ... by chris_sawtell · · Score: 2, Funny

    So stop using an expensive simulation of a typewriter and use a real one instead.

  184. We are eating ourselves by ksimunic · · Score: 1

    It is not they, it is us. To me it is obvious - we are allowing cuts. It is different story that optimizations are suggested by people who just do the job. Well, how well programmer will perform if he/she is forced to setup development environment alone? Is that what cuts are for?

  185. ditched most of our windows servers by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 2, Informative

    And you can too. All that TCO talk is garbage. $15,000/year in licensing cost is one thing we saved.

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  186. Most Corporations will not get rid of Windows by Goose3254 · · Score: 1

    Why? Simple...most corporations have investment holdings and those holding contain?... Yep Microsoft stock...

    Honestly, 99% of day to day operations for 99% of employees could be handled with open-source software. The real rub comes not from some silly argument about retraining, but from someone in management succumbing to FUD. If software X doesn't work who do we call...the user base, that's silly...I want to call a big company who's support is offshored to some obscure country, at least I'll have someone to focus my righteous indignation on!

  187. Sales geeks vs tech geeks by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
    It's the standard fight... The sales geeks don't think that the tech geeks do any real work (they spend their whole time thinking), and the tech geeks think the same about sales (all they seem to do is go for lunch!). Problem is that the sales geeks are far better at selling what they're doing as important to the company (hey, it's their job).

    You may not be good at it, and you may not even like it, but it's time for you to actually sell what your department is doing for the company. I tell my students that the job of a really good IT department is to be all but invisible to the end users. That makes the job of selling it's value a bit more of a catch-22 -- it's almost easier to prove the value and necessity of a badly-run IT department.

    Good luck.

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  188. I don't get it... by slapout · · Score: 1

    profitable business

    Then why do they need to cut cost?

    I'm all for capitalism, but I hate it when people get greedy.

    I worked for a company once. They made something like 3.2 billion one year. They were upset because they didn't make the 3.3 billion they wanted too!

    I'm like "You made 3.2 billion dollars!!!!!!!!"

    rant.end()

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  189. server consolidation by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 2, Informative

    VMWare ESX server is a very effective tool for server consolidation. Particularly if you have many old legacy servers that you just can't get rid of.

    Migrate them all to virtual machines within VMware and say bye-bye to replacement parts, expensive support contracts and pricy KVM-IP devices for outdated servers.

    We removed about 65 old (PPro through P3) servers to virtual machines in VMware. In addition to the benefits I mentioned above, we also gained SIX 42U racks of free space, reduced cable clutter, and reduced server room power/cooling consumption.

    Disclaimer: I don't work for VMware but I can't say enough good things about their server product.

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  190. downtime projects... by nixkuroi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One thing we did when I was working at helpdesk was to work on our "own" projects in the company that supported undocument company needs. As a phone support guy, I had times where I wasn't really doing anything (I'll call that time "slashdot time"). During that time, I'd approach other business units (say, the mailroom because they tend to regard you with awe and humility) and see if any of their processes could be automated through some simple programmatic way. As it turned out, they were hand-parsing outgoing mail addresses for capitalization and formatting errors that were fairly uniform in their imported excel documents. By writing a macro for them to insert into their docs on import, I was able to parse and fix the file in 30 seconds where it had taken them 4 days of 3 people working on it all day. Someone calculated that the company would save something like 280,000 a year in overtime and allow those overworked people some time with their families. If your company recognized this as a gain they could capitalize into your department, you could afford to hire a couple more guys and take some of the work off the dudes who are overworked...or give them bonuses or raises (as happened in my case). A lot of the time, people don't even know they can be helped unless you ask them and by helping out other people, you end up helping yourself....PLUS the mailroom reacted with hyperspeed next time I needed a little something mailed out.

    1. Re:downtime projects... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...allow those overworked people some time with their families.

      You mean lay them off?

  191. Stop Paying For Useless Support by ellem · · Score: 1

    You don't need a Firewall contract. Just learn to fix it yourself.

    You don't need Symantec Anti Virus Support. They ain't changed nothing worth talking about since 7.5.

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    1. Re:Stop Paying For Useless Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You don't need a Firewall contract. Just learn to fix it yourself.

      That's nice, until something happens to you one day, the firewall crashes, and nobody had reinstated the support contract. I'm not sure that this is a good example because downtime here will cost a lot of money, far more than the cost of a support contract.

  192. More Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As for cost cutting, our IT department started taking two-ply toliet paper and only using one ply at a time (two-for-one without the coupon so to speak). The coprporate types loved that one. also, the pager idea was known here for years. Heck - why should the company pay for cell phones when they can make you pay for the call? Overtime? Forget it. Like one manager once said about making us work on weekends: "Heck, it doesn't cost the company any money". Excellent thinking outside the box, don't you think? I love corporate America.

  193. Unscrew the lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a famous anecdote about the founder of IKEA climbing a ladder to unscrew light bulbs they really didn't need. This saved them tons of money and helped the environment.

  194. The standard answer by slashname3 · · Score: 1

    Like most companies you restrict travel, hold invoices for extended periods, drop maintenance plans, put off upgrades, and the best option is to fire most of the staff. That last one really looks good on the bottom line, at least the first year.

  195. Examine your telecom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out the bills for your ATM/Frame Relay connections, and internet bandwidth. Consider using inexpensive firewalls like low end pix's to do site-to-site vpn's or while renegotiatig/shopping your telecom contracts check out on net solutions like mpls. Cheapest average going rate on T1's (incl loop) is $450 in the northeast, so if you have multiple T's for internet access, check out cogent's 100 mb/sec for $1000 a month. Cutting recurring costs is the best way to amplify small savings and make the bean counters happy

  196. Citrix? by Redize_007 · · Score: 1

    Maybe you could cut costs by re-using older equipment and have users use a http://www.citrix.com/citrix environment to access their virtual desktops and applications. We use that in our company and it really allows us to have control over the users and save money in support. When upgrading the servers, the money is spent on the workhorse on the backend, one machine instead of many......

  197. Defend yourselves by dewdrops · · Score: 1

    small, overworked and understaffed IT department at a profitable business. We recently got the news that we needed to cut costs.

    If you're profitable and your IT staff really is understaffed, why are they cutting costs ?

    CEOs usually view IT as a cost, like rent or the electric bill. Geeks are something they're forced to have, but they're not crazy about.

    You (or your boss) need to defend the business case for having IT. Look into exactly who does what with the tools you provide and how much more efficient you make them. Build an ROI case and show it to the CEO. If you really are understaffed, it's possible your company has held off on IT projects which would save them money in the long term. In that case, they'd be better off spending _more_ on IT.

  198. I never did understand this... by the-build-chicken · · Score: 1

    ...I estimate a 30% reduction in my productivity due to IT&T trying to save money with it's solutions...and guess what...you could hire a full time, intermediate level network engineer for a year on 30% of my wage...now, multiply me by the 70 other well paid professionals in our organisation and you quickly find out that anyone that thinks you can save money in the IT department is an idiot.

    You spend money in the IT department so you can save BIG money elsewhere.

    The only reason for the IT department at all is to assist increasing the productivity of the other organisation members...by definition, reducing IT&T spending is exponentially increasing it in other areas of the business.

    Sorry that doesn't help you find ways to please your boss, but it really has to be said.

  199. Save money via warezing by FusionDragon2099 · · Score: 0

    Come on, Photoshop et al's expensive. You could save thousands in software just by looking through websites with black backgrounds. And when the BSA auditor comes around, he has an unfortunate... "accident". Ahem.

  200. ...And Jobs? by Rolman · · Score: 1

    Yeah! What about him?

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  201. Three words: by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

    Pondichery, Bangalore, Bombay...

  202. Become a profit centre by tootlemonde · · Score: 1

    Instead of cutting cost, try to generate revenue.

    Every IT department has marketable products. They just need packaging and promotion.

    Typical products or services include:

    • Offer generic IT services (for example, software development, security audits, disaster recovery) to existing customers
    • Take some system that was developed in house and offer it to non-competing companies. For example, a large telco packaged up its fleet management software and sold it to trucking and delivery companies.
    • Offer consulting on commercial systems that you use like databases, content management systems, publishing systems, network management, etc.

    Marketing these products typically piggybacks on existing marketing efforts. For example, mention the product or service when making routine contact with customers or attending trade shows. Promote the products and services on the company Web site. The vendor of a commercial system that you've bought might be happy to promote your consulting service for the system if it helps make a sale or keeps another customer happy, particularly if it doesn't have local representation.

    If you are in a business that has a critical IT component, you almost certainly have a product. All it may take is a minimum amount of packaging of the skills and experience. It can be as simple as thoroughly documenting your own processes and procedures and putting it in a handsome binder. Even if your department does little more than support the accounting system, you can offer consulting on customizing, upgrading and tweaking.

    Your competitive advantage in the marketplace is that you don't have to cover your entire overhead, just defray some costs. As a result, your prices can be lower but profit can be higher.

    Managers that are dumb enough to try to save money by cutting their IT departments might be gullible enough to fall for this proposal. It might buy you some time until they get turfed out. Then you can start all over again with the next bunch.

  203. Let them cut everything they want... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    ...for a year. Push out deadlines appropriately. Let them lose money for a year because they didn't support their infrastructure, and THEN announce your new job, unless they get their shit together ASAP.

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  204. Never ending cost cutting ... by Herschel+Cohen · · Score: 1

    Do a thought experiment:

    1. propose dropping one or two staff members.

    2. calculate the cost of an emergency where temporary (higher cost) staffing is required to fix an application that they may lack expertise or simple knowledge.

    3. add the direct cost to the business for the missing application where what the work performed by the computer now has to be done by the staff (probably by hand) with more probabilty of errors or in the extreme case dispensed with for lack of personnel.

    4. if those figures are not in your favor there is not much long term hope for either the IT staff or the company.

  205. Terminals by rawg · · Score: 1

    Get rid of the high priced WinTel systems and go back to terminals with custom applications. Depending on what your company does, do you really need MS Office on every PC? I've worked in companies that only had terminals hooked to main frames. Never had problems. I've worked in offices that had all PC's networked... Constant problems.

    MS Windows is the money and time waster.

    Heck, 500MHz Linux boxes will work in most places and a lots cheaper. Plus you can script the heck out of them.

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  206. if they're profitable.... by dentar · · Score: 1

    why do they have the urge to make you guys do all the sacrificing? they should let some salesmen and managers go..

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    1. Re:if they're profitable.... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      why do they have the urge to make you guys do all the sacrificing? they should let some salesmen and managers go..

      Welcome to the 2000's.

  207. Consider yourself lucky... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

    Until today, I worked in an overstaffed, underworked IT department that was not profitable. Needless to say, I no longer have a job. If you are really overworked and understaffed, management should be able to easily (well, maybe not that easily) justify the expense of your department to the higher ups in terms of overall cost savings to the company.

  208. Budgeting 101 by Retief-CDT · · Score: 0

    Any Department when asked to cut costs needs to handle it thusly; "Do to the companies need to save money, our department will reduce by 50 percent its proposed budget increase for the next Fiscal cycle." Then simply increase the amount you used in the previous budget by 10 percent (To allow for all the ever increasing work done.) Now your actual Budget only rises by 5 percent and you can tell everyone how you saved big Bucks and the bottom line.

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  209. Funny by Safety+Cap · · Score: 1
    A few hours ago, I attended a requirements function seminar.

    One of the slides that stuck in my mind said that 60% of all tools purchased for a typical organization are never used, and of the ones that are, 90% are used by only one person.

    So, when you buy a tool, you're basically trying to force-fit a round peg into the square hole. Most people won't/can't use such a generic tool, and if they do, they're probably evangelists and therefore irrational. Is this good for the company? WGAF?!

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  210. Yeah .... by MSDos-486 · · Score: 1

    leasing you network and T1 lines to gamers could also work.

  211. Vendor costs vs Employee Costs by photon317 · · Score: 1


    Don't forget there's always a tradeoff between the costs paid to vendors and employment costs. Some companies choose to spend a lot more money on buying large fancy oversize overfeatured hardware and software with big support agreements and vendor consulting added into the purchase, which makes the employees' work much simpler and smaller. Some choose to nickle-and-dime everything on the vendor side, buying bare minimum generic stuff with minimal support (sometimes nonexistant other than warranty repairs) and then they pay more to hire a larger number of smarter employees to get it working and keep it working for them. Depending on your situation, your company, and your requirements, the optimal balance between these two extremes will be different in every situation. In the big picture sense, readjusting along this scale to somewhere that's most efficient for you can be a good overall direction to look for cost-savings in.

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  212. Beware by dtfinch · · Score: 1

    If you're already overworked, many supposed cost cutting measures will cost more in lost productivity than they'll save in other areas.

    The idea shouldn't be to cut costs. It should be to increase profit.

    Think of how much your department spends on hardware and software and how much your company spends on you. Take your salary and add 1/2. If the IT employees are by far the biggest IT cost, and you're all overworked, then you really have no options to magically cut costs.

    You can, however, try better to deal with the workload. Recurring problems need a permanent solution. Tasks should be handled by the right person for the job, who has time for the job, using the right tools for the job. Indecisive management is costly. You can do a whole lot with scripts, spreadsheets, and a text editor supporting regular expressions. TightVNC is good for managing desktops and servers from your desk. Webmin is good for managing a bunch of Linux/UNIX/BSD servers as a cluster.

    Also, some lazy people will often manage to complete the same job with the same quality in the same amount of time or less. People often make their jobs much harder than they need to, for lack of wanting to avoid work. I've built large websites using custom site generators, of much better quality than if written by hand, found many many data entry errors using sql or even regression rather than manual inspection, prioritized data for inspection according to economic importance, used regression and other tricks to fill in missing data where only rough information was needed, and written dozens of other scripts all in the pursuit of laziness. I always look for a faster solution than brute force, and I get more done with less effort because of it.

    Beyond that, you haven't given us enough information to identify your biggest costs and ways to reduce them.

  213. double dipping power saving by brad3378 · · Score: 1

    In college I remember a computer lab running Windows NT 4.0 In the summer time that place was SOOOOOO hot. I suggested that the Air Conditioning may have had a better chance of keeping up if the unused computer had power management. My point is that all the heat created by those unused computers & monitors is costing you extra on your air conditioning bills.

    If I had to guess, I think the extra electricity cost of the air conditioning would be more significant than the cost of the electric heaters we call computers.

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  214. Outsource to cheap labor country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Outsource to cheap labor country

    - Amen

  215. Cost savings by Pbody32 · · Score: 1

    I hope this works for you. Heres a list of Ideas...
    In my previous job as a IT guy in a regional transit agency (So CAli) I recommended over $70,000 in 12 months, but it wasnt enough to save my job.
    Phone lines We had 101 phone lines. Switch from centrex bundled copper ($26 aline) to BRI over T-1 ($5 dollars a line plus T-1...big savings). Over $36K per year savings...
    Printers Depending on centralized nature of printers faxes you may consider moving toward networked copiers they can handle print, fax, and e-mail for about .01 cent a page (base on 15% page saturation). Laser jets about 4 to five cents a page....Injets will rob your blind. I did a cost per page analysis on all our printers, copiers ans fax machines....some inkjets will cost you about .15 cents per page (again based on 15% saturation) and cost only goes up from there. IF IT IS POSSIBLE move to digitial copiers networked and everyone will share a fax line via the copier. ( I checked our office supply costs and our paper useage over a six months period for cost and useage) $15k per year savings (We were already paying a monthly service agreement that would have covered the new copiers)
    Moved from ISDN to DSL lines saving the per minute fee and custting the per month fee in half.
    I eliminated pagers, that were replaced by the cell phones, sitting in peoples desk drawers. $950 per month. I recommended slashing the number of cell phones in half, and then replaceing even more with Radios (7 mile radio for people that never left the property, via shack radio. Yes they paid for them selves in 6 months). $20K per year savings (Secretaries and desk jockies had private modem lines, cells, pagers, and faxes in one office....Sigh).
    Recommending cuts in my "communication budget" that would have been half of the cost they were paying when I was hired. All the while improving the quality and number of services.
    Getting rid of bundled ISDN lines that nobody used because our video conferencing died. 12k per year savings plus useage
    Each year that I was their I made cost cutting recommendations. There was still room for cutting but becareful what you recomend. If managers arent going to take your remommendations for fear of upsetting the corparate culture and if all departments aren't "cost cutting" to make budgets strech then make sure you read the advice.
    ADVICE!!! If the board sacks your boss start looking for a new job! Why because their will be no one left to advocate for your position. If the Head of Human Resorces is told to pack her desk consider doing the same. If there is money to pay aduitors and outside conslutants but there isn't money for over time or training get ready for a shake up. If your GM and CFO are escorted off property RUN to find a new job. If they did it to them they will do it to you too. Trust me I know.
    Personal note...My last job went from 350 enmployess to under 225 employees. In the forth round of layoffs the IT department was outsourced. Evendently it was cheaper to ...all the whole time we were whispered reassuring platitudes by the people making the decissions. Their have been many rounds of layoffs since then and there are no indications they are done yet.
    Bitter...Alittle, more saddend and dispirited. After Six months of unemployment I am thinking about starting a non IT job. Make sure your cost savings are documented. Update your resume, get some certifications, and good luck.

  216. The guaranteed way to cut business IT expenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell you over rich boss to take a hit for the company and take a pay cut!! Trust me... The more he's making the more he'll squeeze outta yeah trying to play the poor mans fool.

  217. re: service contracts by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think you brought up an excellent point. Service contracts are *rarely* worthwhile - yet many businesses seem to buy and renew them without even a second thought.

    I used to work in I.T. for a place that was constantly complaining about a need to "cut costs" (and in an overall sense, they did - because several of their locations were being shut down as unprofitable, etc.). Unfortunately, we had such things as support contracts with Oracle for our main database that cost upwards of $30,000/yr. to renew - and I don't think we made any use of it except maybe 1 or 2 times in 5 years. (Both of those times, we reported problems which turned out to be small bugs, and "hotfixes" were mailed to us on CD-R disc -- but, these same fixes made it to future point release updates of the Oracle products anyway. I think we could have lived with the issues a little longer, or worked around them, without it costing us over $30K per year worth of problems!)

    I also remember a fairly costly maintenance contract we kept up for all of our uninterrupted power supplies. Sure, it covered replacement of worn-out batteries - but at best, it was a "break even" deal over just buying replacement batteries when needed and swapping them out ourselves. If a UPS actually lasted longer than expected, the maintenance agreement instantly became a poor value.

  218. Re:Reduce Total Cost of Ownership, Document All Wo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy shit you just described my job perfectly. That was unbelievable. Especially that part about jumping from project to project to support call to emergency and back to project ... my god man, have you been following me?

  219. How to cut costs when you're a cost center? by bazily · · Score: 1

    I enjoy this conversation so much, because it never addresses the fundamental problem - IT is a COST center in most organizations.

    So when Mr. CFO looks at the IT budget, he doesn't see any revenue, and therefore none of the costs can be justified. Isn't it odd the CFO comes to IT every year at every company?

    The only way around this cost problem is to become a profit center in your organization. You need to show you're financially viable in your organization (this can often counter the argument to outsource everything as well).

    Start by hiring a MBA student who understands IT and accounting, and billing him to the CFO's budget in response to his desire to "cut costs". Next get the smart kid to track what services you provide (aka Blackberry support for the CFO, email support for the CFO, the web app for the CFO, the report writing for the CFO) and how much they cost in the market and how often your IT department performs these services. Give the company a 20% discount for efficiency purposes and putting a roof over your head.

    Now hopefully you're in the black...Then go to the CFO and explain your new plan to charge the other departments to justify your service. In reality it's an accounting exercise, and you likely track what you do anyway, so nothing has really changed.

    Best of all, IT's work will now be focused on what matters - the (internal) client. Shoot, when you finally get realigned to what you're supposed to be doing, you'll probably be able to propose work to other departments with a predictable cost instead of debating which piece of open source software is best to do a cool task that means little to the company's bottom line.

    Oh, and tell your vendor sales reps that IT is going to be outsourced if you can't cut costs. It's amazing how flexible the pricing can be when it's the difference between a reduced commission and no commission.

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    Why cut IT when your office space costs $3/sf? gibso
  220. Get the business going by InfusionX · · Score: 1

    I work in a small IT department as well, and the business is profitable. If you are sincere about saving dollars, it is important to look at consumables within the office. If you have employees taking home pens everyday, it can end up being $5 or $10 everyday just to replace pens. Watch employee use of the network printers. Those lazer jet cartridges and paper are costly, try using a network database to transfer info rather than using a printout which will be thrown away five minutes after it has been read. Watch the use of post-it notes, start using instant messanging or more email within the office. Encourage staff members to download and burn CD's at home instead of at the office. CD's do become costly when Joe is burning 4 or 5 CD's each day. Watch the bogus spending. Trips to the local wharehouse store for restroom supplies will also save money. Paying an employee for 2 hours of time is cheaper then spending $40 or $50 in shipping. Save on utilities. Don't allow employees to leave their workstations workstations powered on while they are at home. Don't allow excessive personal calls from work, even more so if the people commute and make long distance calls to find out what their girlfriend/boyfrind/spouse is going to watch on tv. Turn off restroom lights when no one is in there. Don't leave area lighting on when no one is in the area or when no one will work in the area. Require some accountability. Make certain members of your staff accountable for specific areas of work. Make 1 guy responsible for monitoring the first floors use of network resources, and another responsible for any repairs. Make another guy responsible for network connectivity, etc. Dedicate one person to answering IT calls, and others for repair work. Do not allow the IT staff to have 8 people sitting at desks waiting for calls, when 1 or 2 calls come in each hour. Make staff members work. Staff members can move on to house chores. It is a business, not a staffhouse. If IT staff members have time, make them help with other chores of the house. They can empty thier own wastebaskets into a larger bin or into a dumpster. There is no need to pay a maid service or janitorial service to empty wastebaskets. Other duties as assigned does not mean sit on your ass. If the staff is small enough, they will just have to understand. You do not want to pay a programmer $25 each hour to empty a stupid wastebasket. Likewise you do not want to pay him $25 each hour to sit on his or her ass. Send unused employees home. If they are not going to be benificial, don't have the employee here. Remember that having employees is to help the company. If your employees are willing to help save company resources, it will become possible to reward employees. Since cutting all the over spending, and setting all the wasted minimal things like these, our company has handed out raises. Being one of the employees that has been pushed towards a more digital office, I have been rewarded with raises, Winter Holiday Bonuses, vacation time, and a new workstation. All employees in our company experienced this increase in salary and work livability since these little cuts were made. Being at the bottom end looking up, it sucked asshole. I was in dire fear of a layoff which I had faced before. After a few months I realised how much was instantly being saved. A few months after being trained in the new staff ways, the previously misused resources were re-established as wages. The raises were great. We were able to obtain raises without asking based on the fact the company use of money was no longer being wasted. Unfortunately the companies must always look at for overall profit and the purpose of being in business.

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    It's all about RTFM.
  221. Look up! by DanMc · · Score: 1
    Don't look at management, but at other businesses that have been where you are now. If you're a 100 PC shop, talk to people who run 500 PC shops and see how they handle the same day-to-day stuff you do. Chances are you'll get some ideas.

    You didn't say what size you are, but the same concept applies to any size. Your first impression when you look at larger sites is going to be "wow, I wish I had those tools! But we can't afford to do it that way..." Get past that. Tools like ghost, altiris, etc, are simply ways to implement ideas. If the idea is, "I want to stop popping the WinXP CD into each computer every month and stop getting called to the desktop when a user messes something up," then 1 smart IT guy is better than any per-PC licensed product.

    Another thought is that IT shops of all sizes often take on the role of trainers. Do you spend a lot of time showing people how to mail merge, or how to select the right printer? How can you package that? Maybe a training CD with a cheesey video would save you time on these things. At the very least, it looks really good that you're innovating, and you'll be less under the gun.

  222. Cutting costs is one thing. by Allnighterking · · Score: 1

    But just be careful where and how. Take a tip from salesmen (not marketing .... salesmen) Don't lower the price increase the value.

    Some things that will help.

    1. Increase HW replacement cycles. (which means you will need to actually maintain it, as in vacumming etc.
    2. Re-cycle. Seriously start looking at that junk pile and see what is what. Yes the computer is bad. But the Case PSU Ram HDD Video Card etc might not be.
    3. Challenge the entire staff's desire for the coolest. Do they really need a 500 dollar video card for reading e-mail and preping spread sheets. No they don't.
    4. Inventory your software and it's usage. I'd be willing to bet that half of you staff could have their MS office license replaced by Open Office and they wouldn't know it happened .... Because they never use it. A suprisingly large amount of money is spent by companies on software out of knee jerk reaction. A Graphic artist need Photoshop ... yes. The CTO doesn't.
    5. Build your own boxes. Sorry but 9 out of 10 comps in your business could be built for 1/2 the cost if you spend a little bit of time thinking about it. (Like building without floppies or sound cards.... why would an office comp need a sound card. )
    6. If you don't want to build your own servers. Stop calling the big boys and start calling local whitebox vendors. That 3K big name box from them will be a lot less (like well under 2k I bet) and they are more likely to value your companies business than the big boys will.
    7. Review your service contracts. Amazing how much money companies spend on contracts or warranties they don't even know they have.

    Now comes the hard part. Put 1/2 your staff doing the opposite. Give the PHB's and the pencil pushers something they understand. $ signs. What does their IT dollar buy them? Most of the time they see IT as a money hole not a money maker because they don't understand it. Ask anyone working at Comair. Don't lower the river ... raise the bridge. How much money does your IT department make your company a year? Yes make, despite what people have been telling you for years IT makes money. Extreme cases .... E-Bay. They will understand how spread sheet software saves/makes money. But how does having you there help them. Put down in hard numbers the cost of doing business without you. They need to see that not only are you willing work with them on belt tightening ... but also the value of your service.

    Finally, learn to push back. CEO found a really rad 1200 dollar plasma screen for his desktop. Push back. In fact tell him/her what buying that will cost him in other areas.

    Whatever you do, don't accept a cut in pay or hours. You have value dad-gum it. Don't sell yourself short.

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    I'm sorry, I'm to tired to be witty at the moment so this message will have to do.

  223. Strike back by arconan · · Score: 1
    Everyone wants to make cost, part of what business is all about. But it is in my experience that when the "cost cutting" cliché pops up at the company meetings, the IT Dept/Staff are always the one to take the first hit. Unfortunately this also applies on a project basis. When a project is starting to fall apart, its the IT Specialist/Developers that have to take the hit with timelines being cut and unpaid overtime.

    This concept actually makes, me very curious on what the business consultant/partners (cretins most of the time anyways) think of their IT Staff, their role in their company and what is the REAL value they contribute to the business. Some times i get the impression the business think their IT Staff/Resource are like "nice to have" when it comes to cutting cost, even though it is the basis of the business.

    At the end the day we need the business guys to allow the IT Staff to deliver their product to markets, but do the business guys understand how much they need us?

  224. Re:Consolidating Servers saving licenses by luvirini · · Score: 1

    well, in many cases people have these things called maintenance agreemenents or volume licensing. These usually involve yearly payments of some sort.

  225. We save toalett paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We use wather to wash a** and we save couple of dollars on toalett paper every week.

  226. One word: eBay by Grant+Root · · Score: 1

    One of the most visible ways that our department saves money is to check eBay before making most purchases. We buy there if we find a suitable item from a reliable source at a great price -- which happens frequently. Tape drives, laptops, software, you name it. Hint -- always tell your boss how much money you just saved!

  227. HTML Compliance is the Right Thing to do by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Slashdot not only fails to render correctly with Firefox, it also fails with Mozilla. I think I've even had problems under IE, though I hardly ever use that. It's bad HTML-like code that does it.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  228. Are you FULLY using what you already have? by steve-san · · Score: 1

    I've been surprised (but less so, these days) at how often both managers and techs are convinced that the only way to fix a problem or upgrade capabilities is to spend more money. It wouldn't be so irritating if the organization were already fully utilizing its existing resources... but that's rarely the case.
    I'm thinking specifically of back-end server or software assets here. "We need widget X to do that!" Really? Have you done *any* research on the matter? If so, you may have found a way to fulfill that capability with current resources. But hey, that takes effort. And it's so much easier just to fall for an advertisement or salse pitch and throw money at the problem.

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    What you want is irrelevant; what you've chosen is at hand! - Spock, ST VI
  229. Use Good Software by v0idnull · · Score: 0

    Yes, see, if you spend $2k more on Oracle instead of SQL Server, then you wont end up spending $10k more on salary to maintain SQL Server.

    Secondly, if you have a development team, don't spend money on stupid things like Visual Source Safe. Sometimes, the free alternatives are the far superior ones. Use CVS.

    Thirdly, unless it's needed, why use windows on your servers? Workstations, its understandable, but servers? Why spend money on Win2k3 when you can get FreeBSD for free.

    Fourthly, fire management unless they know what they are doing. Management tends to be a massive drain on resources because they get paid to do nothing relevent to IT. I mean seriously, when was the last time you knew a CTO who didn't think his cdrom tray was a cupholder?

  230. Are the numbers ever complete? by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    I mean, yeah, several people pointed this out already, but I tend to think the problem is less the completeness of the metric and more the appropriateness of the metric.

    I also tend to think competition has gotten way way way way way way (something stuck here) out of hand.

    Competition which matches needs with requirements is good.

    But when all of the competition is in who can go the farthest on the least fuel, something is out of whack. Safety matters. Sometimes speed matters. The ability to transport people health problems, who can't handle a bumpy ride, matters. If everyone is hell bent on stripping their cars to the bone and leaning their engines out to perpetual stalling, the race has become irrelevant.

    1. Re:Are the numbers ever complete? by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      If everyone is hell bent on stripping their cars to the bone and leaning their engines out to perpetual stalling, the race has become irrelevant.

      Not to the spectators, who like to see things catch fire.

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      In Soviet America the banks rob you!
  231. No way by jtcedinburgh · · Score: 1

    I've got a mobile (cell) 'phone and it's personal. If work want to call me out of hours, they supply a paid-for mobile. They haven't done so, so my own free time is my own.

    A cell phone, like a home computer and a microwave oven - just part of the investment in yourself that a person makes in order to be a productive member of society.
    Nonsense. There are any number of reasons why one might choose not to have any of these items. As it happens, I have all of these items but the only thing driving me to have them is me. If work want to dictate what things I should have, then they are welcome to provide them.

    Equally, why should a 'programmer' (sic) have to have their own computer? Surely what marks them as a programmer is their ability to program - whether or not they have the facilities to do this at home.

    As an aside, however, I know where you're coming from: I would personally find it unusual to have someone claiming to be a programmer or developer without having at least enough interest in computers to have acquired one, but then they may have particular reasons to not have one.

    John

    1. Re:No way by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      As for the computer - I want the ambitious, eager, agressive (in the field) guys on my team. If a guy tells me the last thing he wants to do when he gets home is turn on a computer ... I have to wonder about how driven he will be (why get into the field in the first place, if you don't love it.)

      On the cell - I'm not going to disagree with you much. Maybe I'm still euphoric with my new company - you know how during the interview there is the 'no way' dollar figure in your head, the 'yea, but with reservations' figure, and the 'hell yea - can I start tomorrow' dollar figure you keep back there in dream land? Well I let them go first during negotiations and they came across with $5,000 more than that last one, plus twice as much vacation as I was expecting. I'm just putting that $5k (more like $250 a month after taxes) towards semi-work related expenses (aka - cool tech toys, books, classes, maybe a new computer or two for the house) and calling it even. They can call me on my cell any time, to tell the truth.

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      Glonoinha the MebiByte Slayer
  232. Try model-based development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Computer Associates has a fantastic development tool called AllFusion Plex. Used for developing business applications I will say you can except at least to double the productivy of developers - that's a lot of saved pennys!

    Plex is model-based. This means that you describe or import your data-model into the tool. Great patterns let you define business logic, user interface etc. on top of your datamodel in no time.

    Example: I want to define a table "Person" with a few fields and "Person ID" as primary key. Here's what I have to code to get my data model:

    Person know by Person ID
    Person has Name
    Person has Address
    Person ID is a identifier
    Name is a shortdescription
    Address is a longdescription

    Ok, now I want to create a physical table in my database as well as read and update views plus functions to read, create, delete and update my table. Here's what I code:

    Person is a RelationalTable

    That is it! One line

    Now I want to add a UI that uses my table, views and functions. I code:

    Person is a EditDialog

    Now I have a windows or java user interface that allows me to browse all records, add new records, change or delete records. Because it is based on my datamodel, the UI has all the right fields, knows that Person ID is mandatory etc. etc.

    Also I can specify my database functions to reside on a server and UI on a desktop. The tool creates all communication code etc.

    Now all I have to do is to let the tool generate the code and run my app. The tool creates tables and views in the database, generates C++ or Java code for serverfuntions and UI and compiles everything.

    Of course you can modify all you want, change layout, business logic, add new patterns etc. etc.

    You can do web, wireless and web services also.

    Check it out here

    1. Re:Try model-based development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous Coward because Create Account doesn't work!

  233. Nonsense. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Converting apps: you have to upgrade anyway when MS snaps its fingers, so convert instead of upgrading.

    Retraining? What do you mean? That you don't give training to your employess after each new iteration of MS's software? No wonder those "Learn Office in 24 hours" books sell like hot cakes.

    Importing and exporting documents? What are you smoking? 90% of the documents will open fine. For the rest I have a windows machines, or even better vmware in a Linux machines where I can convert the few convoluted MS Office documents that can't be opened.

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  234. Employee Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is where people put up with this sort of thing at work. It is one of the main reasons that I chose self-employment.

  235. Deploy Linux by JackJudge · · Score: 1

    Being a contracter I've been in this situation a few times in various places over the years.
    Deploying linux has *always* saved money, providing you have the expertise onsite to support it. You don't need to be *nix gurus, just an ability to walk and chew gum at the same time will usually suffice.
    Deploying linux in the server room lets you recycle / life extend existing hardware, maybe even some old junk gathering dust in a storeroom somewhere.
    Linux on the desktop is also viable but it very much depends on the needs of your clients. Browsing, email, Open Office would do the job for most folks providing your desktop of choice has a shallow enough learning curve for Windows users.
    It goes without saying that going with Open Source saves a shitload in license fees.

    Think about teleworking if it's possible. Over ten years ago I did a study for a London publishing firm that showed they'd actually make money (and this was using expensive 64Kbps leased lines) implementing teleworking then leasing out the vacated office space.

    If you need to expand your network, think about wi-fi vs the cost of laying more structured cabling. As long as you're not using DHCP it's possible to run just about everything else over ssh or SSL so that should alieviate some of your security concerns.

    Cut down on printing, copying and faxing, save a bundle on your supply budget. Emailed attachments are much more efficient.

    Could your telephone system work with an open source VOIP solution ? Would the working culture be hostile to the use of instant messenger ?

    Just a few thoughts, HTH.

  236. random costs by runamok1 · · Score: 1

    You don't really give enough detail about the roles you have, and/or what your company does. Here are some ideas...

    1. Put a concrete policy on computer usage, etc. and enforce it. One sexual harassment lawsuit due to someone shoulder surfing and seeing boobies will make a huge impact. Not sure if this is a technological solution through firewalls n' filters or a policy which could help indemnify the company...

    2. Think of what possible industrial espionage, worms, and various p0wning events could occur. This could be everything from code red to your business manager opening various accounts in the company's name (happened to an ex co. I worked for) to a secretary stealing the socials of several hundred employees (happened to a friend's co.)

    3. Air travel. Not sure if you have satellite offices, etc. which require setup, training, etc. Many businesses do not schedule flights and hotels until the last moment and this is a huge waste of money.

    I guess these are more of a way for you to justify your lives to management. Say, due to so and so and this and that, we will not be at risk for a 10 million dollar lawsuit. So can we keep Bob working here so we don't get that 10 million dollar lawsuit?

    It's already a bad sign that you are understaffed and overworked in a profitable company. That kind of proves to me that a bit o' FUD is in order to scare management.

  237. Re:Reduce Total Cost of Ownership, Document All Wo by darkcompanion · · Score: 1

    > --- Please hire me.

    We'd like to, but we don't have the budget any more.

  238. DING DONG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Captain Bloody Obvious strikes again!

  239. Saving Money by archilies · · Score: 1

    You could charge the different departments for the ink that they use. I did this, and it saved money from the IT budget. The users also print a lot less than they used to.

  240. Cost cutting concepts by hesperant · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here are a few options that will save money over a long time.

    For equipment and hardware issues, Do not turn off systems over night. The only time you age hardware is when you change it's state. That being said, having the machine "Restarted" at the end of a day will give you the benefits of a restart without the actual aging of your equipment. Add to this, keep a constant temperature in the office. A good insulation can go a long way in saving money. You would be surprised at how many hidden costs the liberal use of an air conditioner can have.

    For support.
    When you can have a support team also engage in other activities such as development and user education it is a winning combination. Give your support staff the ability to help work the common issues out of the system and you reduce the number of times this problem can hurl boulders at you. In essence you solve 3 very difficult to handle issues. The first solution is to provide the IT support staff a method to keep on the ball for the technologies you as a company use. This will reduce call or issue time and increase productivity. Having them institute training will also help you greatly. They have the ability to work with people individually and over a phone in a teacher-student kind of way already. Your just giving them the opportunity to reduce the chances of support need preemptively and allowing all staff to benefit from there abilities. This training will also increase the productivity of other non technical staff tremendously. Most companies use less than half the utilities of the software they spend allot of money on. Allowing your support members the ability to be part of the IT process and not the bumper of the IT process will increase their effectiveness.

    Licenses: You can reduce the number of proprietary licenses. In many cases using an in house solution or open source solution for your needs will also have the added benefit of allowing you to tailor the application to your needs. Nothing reduces productivity/profit like being slave to an application that is not well built or has more features than you need.
    Keep in mind what applications you use and why. Do not allow constant sweeping changes to your IT department by non IT personnel. This includes you very well meaning and intelligent company owners. Every time you change one aspect of your IT infrastructure that equates to at least 1 hour of extra support time per three people and 1 hour of downtime per 1 people. Every time you get a new sales jockey or developer, Make them use your tools and not you use there tools. Having 6 different applications that do the same thing is a terrible waste of resources. You could also reduce the number of applications used with the addition of training. A groupware client for instance can go a long way in managing your project/messaging/incident/sales/anti-virus/contac t needs without having 6 separate utilities. Reducing the number of utilities a company needs also reduces the system requirements for your staff and allows older machines to perform well.

    There are allot of ways to reduce cost without loosing people. Get past the ego's and commercial induced projects and you will find a smooth running machine can keep your bottom line looking quite pretty indeed.

  241. Ah, a classic /. response... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One that a) doesn't remotely answer the questions and b) allows the writer to vent about his problems.

    The only thing missing is a swipe at microsoft.

  242. MOD PARENT UP! Every company should do as he says by carlos92 · · Score: 1

    in order to retain their best employees, the ones who stay whenever there's a problem.

  243. Saving money by lewi · · Score: 1

    Just buy stuff from Fry's Electronics or CompUSA only when it is on sale - compute the difference between normal price and sale price as the money saved for the company.

    Each time you purchase something, tell your boss how much you saved the company by buying the stuff on sale.

    Just think, at the end of a year you could show your boss that you saved the company thousands of dollars and yet still have new equipment.

    My wife always buys things on sale and always tell me how much money she has saved us. Somehow, even with all the money saved were still broke...

    Yes this is sarcasm, but don't be surprised if at least one manager actually buys this as saving the company money.

  244. Numbers are your friends by davecb · · Score: 2, Interesting
    th poster said IT is commonly held as a cost center

    Classic oops: if IT serves transactions for sales, it's "part" of sales, a profit center.

    As a capacity planner, I usually talk to the business managers and say things like

    Last christmas you rejected about 3% of your purchase transactions. You say you're growing by 6% per year, so next year you're going to reject almost 9% of the christmas business.

    The hardware to handle 10% more load will cost you $X, and therefor, if the profit on the average transaction is more than $X/(9% of the transaction count) you'll cover your costs immediately.

    Npt to mention avoiding pissing off the customers who you'd have rejected!

    These are arguements to a profit center: if you can credibly make them, they'll dig up the money and force your boss to take it (:-))

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  245. saving pennies by shutting down at night? by garwain · · Score: 1

    If you are running stable OS (linux, win2k/xp) then you are probably loosing money by shutting them down at night. Employees walk in in the morning, get their coffee, and go to their desk, and hit the power switch... then wait 2-5 minutes before they see their desktop.

    It would probably save more money to lock the workstation at night instead of logging out

  246. Be smart about how you talk to Management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look I used to be a tech guy now I'm in management. I worked at a couple small companies and had to deal with our executive board. They didn't understand or see the value in spending on IT. It boiled down to keep it up (web/file server/ their computers/office/exchange) for the cheapest price you could. So heck none-of us "tech" types were full time. I soon realized that in order to get anything done or to address our IT issues was to pitch it in terms they could see/understand. So I worked extra to through a demo together (along with man-hours to impliment + cost + out-sourcing time/cost) that showed how much Time (Time * hourly rate = $'s saved) or how much we could improve quality or turn around time (ie time to market, or the every loved variable of customer service). Then my discussions became

    IT needs $X to run. We can trim to $x-10% if we do (z but it'll hurt a bit).

    If you give me a 1 time $T I can save you $100/mo for the next 3 years (don't kid yourself. They won't look out to far in time. keep the horizion low)... which is worth giving up the time/savings/costs to hire another part time sales guy to sell product at $T cost, etc.

    Then suddenly the pocket books opened a bit. I succeed at the first couple projects and became known as the can-do guy. I was pulled into most board meetings to talk about what our expense were... what cuts would be too much and how should we spend our precious cash to grow. That's what you want. You want to drive IT to solve there problems (if they don't know its a problem, or can't conceive how you can help them through technology.... then you need to show them along with what it will cost. You'd be suprised what that can do when you have a track record of a couple successes under your belt).

    Good luck.
    -Chuck

  247. Phones? by 813n26 · · Score: 1

    Two things to look at for potential savings: #1)Compare long distance carriers prices. Ditto for cellphones. If your contract is coming to an end w your current carrier, compare with others then re-negiotiate or switch. #2) If your building is still using analog, the phone company wants you to switch to digital(t1s for voice). Its cheaper and easier for the telcos to maintain and they should pass those savings along to you. I hope this helps.

  248. Ireland - land of software patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ireland: Comfort and Convenience at a Higher Cost Its government is eager to offer tax benefits and grants to companies willing to bring IT work here, making Ireland an increasingly popular destination for software maintenance and development work.

    That will be the government that's been pushing software patents into Europe then. Bowing down to big IT company's demands in the hope to get benefit for itself at the cost of everyone else.

  249. Opportunity! by nexus987 · · Score: 1

    Start switching company computers linux and/or OSS? (hey, what did you expect, this is slashdot after all).

  250. Cut payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Replace people with very small shell scripts.

  251. Cutting IT costs by erc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get rid of Windows wherever possible. Servers can run Linux or FreeBSD, MySQL, sendmail, etc. instead of Windows Server, SQL Server, and Exchange - that one simple move can save you thousands of dollars *per server*. Even desktops can be selectively replaced - for simple office applications, Evolution or Thunderbird work just as good, if not better, than Outlook, and since installing Firefox, I haven't touched IE in months.

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  252. Cutting the costs by JoeyNumbers · · Score: 1

    Two of the easiest things to do is change to smaller local supplier for as much IT parts and equipment as you can...loyalty will get you better prices...I routinely pay 5-15 points under retail for everything i buy from my supplier no matter how small. The other thing is to renegotiate as many contracts as you can...new technology in printers and copiers (if leased) traditionally costs more...if it doesn't then you need to find another vendor. Most vendors will buy out old leases and put in new equipment for the same price if not less and with the new tech you end up with a lower operating cost. Oh....DON'T forget to audit the Telecom charges...phone companies routinely screw up billing or fail to offer new rates when new contracts "automatically" start...if you are in I.T. and you don't at least glance at the telecom bills, you're a dumbass...you can save companies big paper by redoing telecom contracts... Big Time ROI...that's what they like....i seem to have motivated myself into cutting some costs...

    1. Re:Cutting the costs by JoeyNumbers · · Score: 1

      before anyone screams...i meant to say that the printer/copier new tech costs less... man, do i like my coffee...

  253. No worse by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    a law firm.

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  254. Half salaried = half *ssed! by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    So far, I have been told they went through a few people trying to get the quality and performance that I was able to offer. Some coworkers asked me to re-apply and join in and help them as they need help badly and I was always there to debug their programs. I guess my replacements have not been too helpful to the other developers, or released quality work?

    Ah well, you get what you pay for. Now I can watch the fireworks happen from a safe distance. They had a 90% turn-a-round in 4 years in their IT department. They treat people badly, and always want to rush things.

    When I had my salary, I was the highest paid programmer/analyst there, and they wanted to put a salary cap on the position. Only they could not as long as I still held the position. So I told them to promote me to Senior or Lead Programmer/Analyst, they promised they would, only they passed people over me who where not as qualified for the job as I was. I ended up fixing their mistakes a lot. Apparently the company promotes by incompetence?

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  255. Not so fast there by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    It is not that I am worth half as much as the other person. It is that the other person just started, did not have 4 years of pay raises, and did not have the expererience, knowledge, or quality, or even management or leadership skills that I had which made me affordable for even twice or three times the price.

    Sort of like a master chef being replaced by a burger flipper, because the burger flipper will work for half the salary. Which one would you trust to cook your stake the way you want it along with the rest of your meal?

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