If you've never heard of a product you cannot know you want it. So you won't search Google for a combo USB drive/MP3 player/keychain fob. But if you get an email about it, you may realize you want it.
I agree with your suggestion of a middle ground. Some email you know you want, some email you know you don't want, but some email you're unsure of. If I get unsolicited automated mail about an upcoming Tcl convention because of some forums I'm on, like I did recently, do I automatically want to trash it? I didn't know there were any, I wouldn't have looked for one. And I'm not going to go.... but I did, unbeknownst to myself, want to get that information to then be able to make that decision. I generally am willing to read ANY unsolicited automated email that pertains to programming or software, and I don't care if the person sending it out subcontracts their bulk mailings to a company that also does bulk mailing for porn sites, which is why I would be very wary of heading based filters. Ultimately it is only the content of the email that decides whether I want it, regardless of whether it's commercial or non-commercial, automated or individually sent, from a person I know or from someone I've never met.
I think that the Tcl convention announcement would probably get by this guy's filters, since he weights words about programming as non-spam. So ultimately what he has isn't a spam filter, but a content filter, which I think is more important.
The point is that the filter list should be targetted to the individual user's desires, not conformance to a general idea of 'what is spam?'.
Because that method is more universal.... and inclusive of the other goal. While the other goal cannot be expanded the other way around (the part about filtering on headers automatically for example).
But by the way I don't believe you.... And the spammers don't either. They are sure that you want to extend your penis or increase your bust.... or both:)
When i navigate to a site and they have massive amounts of Javascripts triggering new browser windows to domains I never requested, the browser session is no longer under my control or 'opt in' in any way.
In both cases you can go to ridiculous lengths like downloading the content locally first, turning off scripting, disconnecting from the internet, and then viewing the content. But that's not really relevant. If I go to slashdot.org with my standard browser settings and another user posts an innocent looking link in the middle of a discussion that I click on which goes to a site that spawns 1000 broswers worth of goatse and 3 installations of some kind of trojan horse, I did not opt into that. And god that really sucked.... my ceo walked by right when it happened. Much more negative consequences than some spammers getting demographic info on me.
Spammers are generally lame, but don't put up much malicious script. Web sites, including ones linked to from this one, DO. Spammers want to sell you something, not install trojans on your machine.
Isn't it better to worry about the 'evil' html up on web pages rather than in emails? Fscking warez sites use 10 times as much evil html tricks as spammers.... where's the outrage there?
Fscking lop.com for example.... took so goddam long to clean that shit off my system.
He proposes you define it as unsolicited automated mail. But that's not it exactly. It's only automated unsolicited mail that you don't want. If he had been looking for that raleigh three speed and had happened to get unsolicited automated mail offering him one, he would have been delighted to get that piece of spam. So sometimes you don't know you wanted it until AFTER you've read it. I would rather avoid filtering on headers if possible.... if the above email came from the same open mail relay as 2 tons of porn email, that doesn't change the fact that I would want the above email anyway.
Spam is mail you don't want. The automated feature is irrelevant. If an army of trained monkeys were copy and pasting the mail to you by hand, would this make it not spam? Of course not.
Is it mail you want just because your friend sent it to you? Even though it's a forwarded chain letter? No, then it's junk.
The goal of filters shouldn't be to filter out automated unsolicited mail, it should be to filter out mail you don't want. So if you are a horny teenager you might want to let all the sex mails through.... that doesn't mean they're not spam. But the spam status is really irrelevant. Very good article.... just replace 'delete as spam' with 'delete as unwanted'.
"As has been pointed out elsehwhere in this very thread, gasoline, diamonds, honey, opium, and a whole bunch of other products all contribute to terrorism or cruel treatment of our fellow humans or various other badnesses in the world. "
And they don't even have any goddam midget porn! They do have interesting contact email addresses though 'abuse@fuckporn.net', god does that sound twisted.
That brief technological mule, the DIGITAL video cassete recorder. Yes you can record on a VCR in analog. But you can also do it in digital. My college roommate and tape trading freak had one that he used. Oh no, digital piracy in 1995!
All this technology just makes the things he already did in 1995 easier. He recorded every episode of the Simpsons and (god knows why) of In The Heat Of The Night. Then he carefully, using frame advance, edited out all the commercials. Perfectly, like studio quality perfectly. He'd also make bootlegs of concerts, audio and video. Then he'd trade this copyrighted material thru the mail with a huge list of tape traders from around the world. He accumulated video and audio bootlegs of all his favorite bands' concerts, all kinds of pirated media. Everyday he'd get and receive packages from FedEx.
The year was 1995. The technology was VCR's and a super-8 handcam. The media giants didn't notice this loss of revenue (who the hell was going to try to market boxed sets of In The Heat Of The Night anyway?) because there was no loss of revenue. Watching the copies of the Simpsons I taped from him just whetted my apetite for legitimate DVD's that didn't get worse and worse with the passing years. I'm sure that today he's one of the gods of gnutella, but the media giants still don't need to worry, because his obsessive consumption of media wasn't limited to pirated, he also spent more money on media than anyone I've ever known, and only had to get all the bootlegs because there is no legitimate channel for them.
So to begin with it is emphatically NOT a valid html file as it claims to be, and IE shouldn't be expected to support it. But I'm not sure what's making IE crash. Just the fact that it's a made up class?
Most tasty, gelflings are. Many ways to prepare...
Is there anything in that book about the cooking technique of draining the life out of the animal with a giant dark crystal? Drained gelfling might not be as tasty as braised, but is a great tonic.
The Klingon Language Institute list of everyday phrases. It really says something that 'Today is a good day to die' (Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam) is an everyday phrase.
There are now more speakers of Klingon than of Navajo. That is so sad....
That corporations, like everyone else, are required to obey the law. It's not an option. This is surely not enforced by police officers, so it can only be enforced by employees. I find your attitude that you think employees should aid and abet the criminal acts of their corporations to be morally repulsive. Companies can make money hand over fist while obeying the law. Our legal and commercial environment is tilted very heavily in favor of companies already. And when they break the law (Enron, WorldCom, Merck) they have an unfortunate tendency to go bankrupt (meaning the employees are tossed on their ass anyway) and also screw the shareholders who actually own the company. The execs running the company don't own the company any more than the manager of a Gap store owns that Gap store, and execs lying about corporate profits to drive up their stock options is no better than the Gap store manager just pocketing money from every other transaction - both are theft, and both ultimately fuck the company.
That I'm talking about events like when GM knew beforehand that a car of theirs was very vulnerable to fiery explosion, and yet calculated that it would be cheaper to settle the lawsuits than the fix the problem in the design, and went ahead and callously killed many people. When I kill that many people, I'm labelled a serial killer and locked in jail for life. When a corporation does that.... nothing happens: nobody goes to jail and the corporation continues on its merry way. That's wrong. When you indicate by your actions that you cannot be trusted to live in society, society has a right and an obligation to make sure you can't hurt anybody else. Currently corporations do the shit they do because they have nothing to fear in reprisals. Arthur Andersen deserves to be abolished as a company and have it's executives tried in court - and those who lose their jobs will maybe be more forceful at their next job insisting that the company obey the law.
Have you noticed that the economy is worse than it was two years ago? What gets crossed off of consumer's lists first in a slow economy? Luxuries like new music. That is enough in itself to explain the lower sales.
Alternatively, the RIAA explanation may have some basis in fact. Or the low quality of the commercial crap boy bands may have something to do with it. There are no hard numbers on the number of people 'boycotting', because this isn't a real boycott, it's just a lot of talk.
Slashdot Mirror
There are real risks in using an email client that renders html email, but we accept them as small and not worth sheltering ourselves because of them.
I'm really trying to see a difference, but I just don't.
If you've never heard of a product you cannot know you want it. So you won't search Google for a combo USB drive/MP3 player/keychain fob. But if you get an email about it, you may realize you want it.
I agree with your suggestion of a middle ground. Some email you know you want, some email you know you don't want, but some email you're unsure of. If I get unsolicited automated mail about an upcoming Tcl convention because of some forums I'm on, like I did recently, do I automatically want to trash it? I didn't know there were any, I wouldn't have looked for one. And I'm not going to go.... but I did, unbeknownst to myself, want to get that information to then be able to make that decision. I generally am willing to read ANY unsolicited automated email that pertains to programming or software, and I don't care if the person sending it out subcontracts their bulk mailings to a company that also does bulk mailing for porn sites, which is why I would be very wary of heading based filters. Ultimately it is only the content of the email that decides whether I want it, regardless of whether it's commercial or non-commercial, automated or individually sent, from a person I know or from someone I've never met.
I think that the Tcl convention announcement would probably get by this guy's filters, since he weights words about programming as non-spam. So ultimately what he has isn't a spam filter, but a content filter, which I think is more important.
So you mark it as 'delete as unwanted'.
:)
The point is that the filter list should be targetted to the individual user's desires, not conformance to a general idea of 'what is spam?'.
Because that method is more universal.... and inclusive of the other goal. While the other goal cannot be expanded the other way around (the part about filtering on headers automatically for example).
But by the way I don't believe you.... And the spammers don't either. They are sure that you want to extend your penis or increase your bust.... or both
When i navigate to a site and they have massive amounts of Javascripts triggering new browser windows to domains I never requested, the browser session is no longer under my control or 'opt in' in any way.
In both cases you can go to ridiculous lengths like downloading the content locally first, turning off scripting, disconnecting from the internet, and then viewing the content. But that's not really relevant. If I go to slashdot.org with my standard browser settings and another user posts an innocent looking link in the middle of a discussion that I click on which goes to a site that spawns 1000 broswers worth of goatse and 3 installations of some kind of trojan horse, I did not opt into that. And god that really sucked.... my ceo walked by right when it happened. Much more negative consequences than some spammers getting demographic info on me.
Spammers are generally lame, but don't put up much malicious script. Web sites, including ones linked to from this one, DO. Spammers want to sell you something, not install trojans on your machine.
Isn't it better to worry about the 'evil' html up on web pages rather than in emails? Fscking warez sites use 10 times as much evil html tricks as spammers.... where's the outrage there?
Fscking lop.com for example.... took so goddam long to clean that shit off my system.
He proposes you define it as unsolicited automated mail. But that's not it exactly. It's only automated unsolicited mail that you don't want. If he had been looking for that raleigh three speed and had happened to get unsolicited automated mail offering him one, he would have been delighted to get that piece of spam. So sometimes you don't know you wanted it until AFTER you've read it. I would rather avoid filtering on headers if possible.... if the above email came from the same open mail relay as 2 tons of porn email, that doesn't change the fact that I would want the above email anyway.
Spam is mail you don't want. The automated feature is irrelevant. If an army of trained monkeys were copy and pasting the mail to you by hand, would this make it not spam? Of course not.
Is it mail you want just because your friend sent it to you? Even though it's a forwarded chain letter? No, then it's junk.
The goal of filters shouldn't be to filter out automated unsolicited mail, it should be to filter out mail you don't want. So if you are a horny teenager you might want to let all the sex mails through.... that doesn't mean they're not spam. But the spam status is really irrelevant. Very good article.... just replace 'delete as spam' with 'delete as unwanted'.
"As has been pointed out elsehwhere in this very thread, gasoline, diamonds, honey, opium, and a whole bunch of other products all contribute to terrorism or cruel treatment of our fellow humans or various other badnesses in the world. "
Fuck the diamond. Buy her $8000 worth of opium.
Happy times my friend, happy times.
And they don't even have any goddam midget porn! They do have interesting contact email addresses though 'abuse@fuckporn.net', god does that sound twisted.
That brief technological mule, the DIGITAL video cassete recorder. Yes you can record on a VCR in analog. But you can also do it in digital. My college roommate and tape trading freak had one that he used. Oh no, digital piracy in 1995!
All this technology just makes the things he already did in 1995 easier. He recorded every episode of the Simpsons and (god knows why) of In The Heat Of The Night. Then he carefully, using frame advance, edited out all the commercials. Perfectly, like studio quality perfectly. He'd also make bootlegs of concerts, audio and video. Then he'd trade this copyrighted material thru the mail with a huge list of tape traders from around the world. He accumulated video and audio bootlegs of all his favorite bands' concerts, all kinds of pirated media. Everyday he'd get and receive packages from FedEx.
The year was 1995. The technology was VCR's and a super-8 handcam. The media giants didn't notice this loss of revenue (who the hell was going to try to market boxed sets of In The Heat Of The Night anyway?) because there was no loss of revenue. Watching the copies of the Simpsons I taped from him just whetted my apetite for legitimate DVD's that didn't get worse and worse with the passing years. I'm sure that today he's one of the gods of gnutella, but the media giants still don't need to worry, because his obsessive consumption of media wasn't limited to pirated, he also spent more money on media than anyone I've ever known, and only had to get all the bootlegs because there is no legitimate channel for them.
The source code is:
So to begin with it is emphatically NOT a valid html file as it claims to be, and IE shouldn't be expected to support it. But I'm not sure what's making IE crash. Just the fact that it's a made up class?
You're a terrorist :)
that's pretty bad ass
That none of the patches have ever been installed, so while this box may be up, it is probably rooted.
I think its the actual death you need to be worried about.
Most tasty, gelflings are. Many ways to prepare...
Is there anything in that book about the cooking technique of draining the life out of the animal with a giant dark crystal? Drained gelfling might not be as tasty as braised, but is a great tonic.
The Klingon Language Institute list of everyday phrases. It really says something that 'Today is a good day to die' (Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam) is an everyday phrase.
There are now more speakers of Klingon than of Navajo. That is so sad....
nuqneH
Hab SoSlI' Quch!
Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam
maj! maj! maj!
That corporations, like everyone else, are required to obey the law. It's not an option. This is surely not enforced by police officers, so it can only be enforced by employees. I find your attitude that you think employees should aid and abet the criminal acts of their corporations to be morally repulsive. Companies can make money hand over fist while obeying the law. Our legal and commercial environment is tilted very heavily in favor of companies already. And when they break the law (Enron, WorldCom, Merck) they have an unfortunate tendency to go bankrupt (meaning the employees are tossed on their ass anyway) and also screw the shareholders who actually own the company. The execs running the company don't own the company any more than the manager of a Gap store owns that Gap store, and execs lying about corporate profits to drive up their stock options is no better than the Gap store manager just pocketing money from every other transaction - both are theft, and both ultimately fuck the company.
if your employer asks you to smuggle drugs or do a hit on a rival corporation exec, that you would just do it? maybe ask for a bonus?
I always knew he was an enemy of the people :)
That I'm talking about events like when GM knew beforehand that a car of theirs was very vulnerable to fiery explosion, and yet calculated that it would be cheaper to settle the lawsuits than the fix the problem in the design, and went ahead and callously killed many people. When I kill that many people, I'm labelled a serial killer and locked in jail for life. When a corporation does that.... nothing happens: nobody goes to jail and the corporation continues on its merry way. That's wrong. When you indicate by your actions that you cannot be trusted to live in society, society has a right and an obligation to make sure you can't hurt anybody else. Currently corporations do the shit they do because they have nothing to fear in reprisals. Arthur Andersen deserves to be abolished as a company and have it's executives tried in court - and those who lose their jobs will maybe be more forceful at their next job insisting that the company obey the law.
You have to say 'put me on your do not call list' in those words.
Have you noticed that the economy is worse than it was two years ago? What gets crossed off of consumer's lists first in a slow economy? Luxuries like new music. That is enough in itself to explain the lower sales.
Alternatively, the RIAA explanation may have some basis in fact. Or the low quality of the commercial crap boy bands may have something to do with it. There are no hard numbers on the number of people 'boycotting', because this isn't a real boycott, it's just a lot of talk.
They can sell your info to telemarketers. Yes.
Is that clear?
NOTHING in that fact says that telemarketers are then clear to ignore the state's do not call list. You're pulling that out of thin air.