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I'm Just Here for the Food

MattE writes: "Alton Brown, for those who aren't familiar, has a cooking show on the Food Network called Good Eats. His new book isn't so much a cookbook, in the current sense of a book that contains a heck of a lot of recipes. (It does, in fact, contain recipes, but it really isn't what the book is about.) See the Perl cookbook, for a translation of this idea to programming. It is a book about cooking that covers science and technique first; Recipes are only example code. He says he is a 'culinary cartographer.'" This sounds like a fun book -- for the rest of Matt's review, read on below. I'm Just Here for the Food author Alton Brown pages 287 pages publisher Stewart, Tabori & Chang rating 9/10 reviewer Matt Eberle ISBN 1-58479-083-0 summary This is a book about cooking, by a geek, for geeks. If you code and you cook, this is the book.

Rather than giving precise directions about how many rights and how many lefts, Alton aims to give you the lay of the land. "Cooking is not defined by seasonings ... it is defined by the application of heat." That is why the first six chapters are devoted to a single heating method each: searing, grilling, roasting, frying, boiling, and braising. This first book doesn't cover baking, or other manufactured food. Another book, in a similar vein, by a chemist, Cookwise: The Hows and Whys of Successful Cooking , actually begins with baking.

As partial proof of the author's geekiness, I present an excerpt from the introduction to the grilling chapter:

I am typing on a Macintosh G4 Titanium Powerbook, which is roving through my MP3 collection like a digital whirling dervish. When I need to speak to someone, which isn't very often since the G4 is wirelessly connected to the Web through a device in the house, I do so on a Nokia cell phone capable of trading files with my Palm V, which I really should replace since it's so 1999.

He's got his own web site, complete with blog. Throughout the book, he describes approaches to cooking that have everything to do with good food and geekiness, and nothing to do with the manufacturer's instructions. Back to the grill, he's removed one of the plates on the side of his grill and fitted it with a piece of tailpipe. Then, when he's grilling, he sticks a hair dryer in the tailpipe and uses it to whip the coals into an inferno. Which might explain why he gets his oven mitts from the hardware store in the form of welding gloves. When talking about ovens, he describes how he builds an oven out of firebricks, and how he uses a large terra cotta pot to cook a chicken in his oven. It's all in the name of even heat distribution. He's also not above rewiring his electric skillet to provide a greater range of temperatures. You know you've read something good when the author includes a mini-disclaimer to the effect of "if you try this at home kids, I and the publisher are not responsible."

Alton encourages improvisation, suggesting you hold a refrigerator roulette party: everybody brings three ingredients and then everybody has to make something of it. Now there's a team building exercise for the daring. Basically, a recipe is like an open source app that nobody's willing to muck with -- you either eat it when somebody else has already prepared it, or you compile (I mean prepare) it yourself, but follow the directions exactly. This just ruins the whole point of making the source (or the recipe) available. Tinker with it, make it better, make it awful, hey, it's just food.

From Alton's Rules I Cook By: If the food is an existing hunk or hunks of something to be cooked, you can generally mess with seasonings, herbs, spices, and so on to your heart's content. The book is filled throughout with examples of Alton's own improvisations -- like the recipe he used to win a cheap chili competition he and some friends dreamed up while sitting around on somebody's porch. In this case, the ingredients were tomato paste, chili powder, cumin, and salt he had in his pantry, some cheap beef stew meat and some lamb stew meat from the supermarket, and the cheapest beer available from the local taqueria and the chips and salsa that came with it. Total cost: $7.74

The end of the book includes appendices with a Critter Map, which shows where different cuts of meat come from, and The Basic Culinary Toolbox, where he describes necessary tools, from heat resistant spatulas and all kinds of thermometers to what makes a good knife. Also included are a very brief selection of suppliers for various dry goods and a selection on cleanliness that has some tips on recognizing a good meat and produce department. The one weakness of the book may be its index. Again, since this isn't really a cookbook per se, it might not matter so much that all the chicken recipes in the book are not listed in the index under Chicken, or that his great recipe for microwave popcorn is listed under M, but not P. As for the popcorn recipe itself, here's a hint: popcorn, paper bag, and 2 staples.

If you are reading this I highly recommend I'm Just Here For the Food as well as the show Good Eats. This is the book on cooking I've been waiting for someone to write ever since I started cooking. It gives you the tools and the principles so that you can cook what you want and experiment with flavors and ingredients you like.

Appetite whetted? You can purchase I'm Just Here for the Food from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

249 comments

  1. Sounds good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a good approach to teaching coding techniques.

  2. Science? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this posted as Science?

    1. Re:Science? by mattyohe · · Score: 1

      "It is a book about cooking that covers science and technique first"

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    2. Re:Science? by Anonymous+Cowrad · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because Alton Brown is a food scientist.

      He's also amazingly hot. I don't think that has anything to do with science, but damn.

      damn

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    3. Re:Science? by crawling_chaos · · Score: 2

      Actually, he majored in video production. I think that explains the Thomas Dolby hairdo. It's all in the book, which has already saved me from three potential disasters in the kitchen.

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    4. Re:Science? by jmccay · · Score: 2

      You've obviously never watched his show. If you had, you'd know the answer to that already. He covers the hows and whys of cooking down to a scientific level. For instace, on one show he explained egg whites and what happens when you whip them up--and how to get them perfect.

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    5. Re:Science? by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      Because Alton Brown is a food scientist.

      Good Eats is a very scientific cooking show (and hilarious, sort of like Bill Nye without the music videos -- it's probably my favorite show on TV), but Alton doesn't call himself a food scientist. The commercials for Good Eats call him a filmmaker, but his food network bio says he's been both a professional chef and a professional video director.

      The review here mentioned Cookwise, by Shirley Corriher (sp?) as being a similar book. She makes frequent appearances on Good Eats as the food scientist. I've got Cookwise, but I haven't gotten very far into it, mostly because it's a lot more practical advice than actual science.

      I would guess that Alton Brown's book probably doesn't cover baking while Cookwise does because he's probably expecting to sell to people who also have Cookwise.

    6. Re:Science? by Anonymous+Cowrad · · Score: 1

      Good point, he doesn't call himself a food scientist. I meant it in a "guy who deals in the science of food" kind of way, not a "guy who has a doctorate in food science" kind of way.

      And he's a hottie.

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  3. I love this book by twenex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Alton is my guru. He has completely transformed my cooking from "hunt and peck" approaches to an understanding of the processes. Now when I try something new, I'm not just guessing at whether it will work or not.

    Oh, and go buy a digital temperature probe. You'll need one.

    Also, as hinted by the author, go watch his show. I especially like the one when he shows you how to make a smoker out of a cardboard box.

    1. Re:I love this book by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      Also, as hinted by the author, go watch his show. I especially like the one when he shows you how to make a smoker out of a cardboard box.

      Didn't see that one. But, being a garlic fan, I loved the ep where he had DRACULA helping him do garlic.

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    2. Re:I love this book by Mikemenn · · Score: 1

      If you love the book and show, you might enjoy my website, the one and only Good Eats Fan Page: http://www.GoodEatsFanpage.com Mikemenn

    3. Re:I love this book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a /. Q&A with Alton Brown?? Might be a refreshing change of pace.

    4. Re:I love this book by justruss · · Score: 1

      Hard to believe Mikemenn follows slashdot...

      but everyone should follow that link (http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com), it's the best fansite ever, giving (most importantly) complete transcripts to episodes, to help you conquer topics for shows you haven't seen, or refresh your memory about ones you have. and there's a ton of other fun stuff there, too.

      russ

    5. Re:I love this book by Captoo · · Score: 1

      I hope that this isn't too off topic, but how exactly do you make a smoker out of a cardboard box?

  4. Kitchen should be a geeks 2nd home by alnapp · · Score: 4, Funny

    If only because of all the toys available.

    1. Re:Kitchen should be a geeks 2nd home by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly, I love cooking and being in the kitchen. But I don't use the new-age toys or anything. Rolling out the dough for pasta and cutting it by hand is my style, not using some auto-roller and auto-cutter.

      Cooking can be relaxing, but you should be the one doing the work.

      Moderators, its just my opinion. No need to get nasty.

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    2. Re:Kitchen should be a geeks 2nd home by elmegil · · Score: 1

      Nah, tools for house maintenance and improvement are quite a bit broader & more powerful thank kitchen toys. That's second home, kitchen is third.

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    3. Re:Kitchen should be a geeks 2nd home by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you joking?

      My kitchen Aide has more torque than my Black and Decker drill does.

      Additionally you need to eat every day, whereas you don't really NEED to use power tools everyday (unless thats your occupation).

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    4. Re:Kitchen should be a geeks 2nd home by boomer_rehfield · · Score: 1

      New-age-kitchen-toys = MS Visual Studio

      (not trying to start a flame war..but it's an interesting analogy that made me think about the ways that I cook and code....)

      I feel the same way. For me I get the same passionate mindset as when I'm coding... It's all about creativity and massaging the ingredients to do your bidding... It's satisfaction...

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    5. Re:Kitchen should be a geeks 2nd home by elmegil · · Score: 1

      I suppose my viewpoint is skewed by living in a house that is old and was badly rehabbed....

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    6. Re:Kitchen should be a geeks 2nd home by Torinaga-Sama · · Score: 1

      I can see that coloring your outlook.

      Fair enough!

      I suppose the real second place would be remodeling your kitchen, and you could make it the first by equipping it with a workstation.

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    7. Re:Kitchen should be a geeks 2nd home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should be, unfortunately, the dining room is my second home. That really has ramifications in the old "Admin Size" clothing department.

  5. Check the warehouse stores for this title by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 3, Informative

    I saw it at Costco (yclept Price Club) the other day. Stores like these (e.g., BJ's, Sam's Club) often have books at a discount of 30% or more. (No shipping charge either.-)

    The book looked like a hoot.

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  6. This is a great book by dknj · · Score: 0, Informative

    This is a book about cooking techniques, rather than recipies. It's organized by cooking method, rather than ingredients like most other cookbooks. There are a lot of cookbooks out there full of nothing but recipies, but many of them don't say anything about the different methods to prepare food. AB also goes into some of the how's and why's of the different preparation methods. afraid to broil? never poached anything? roasts turn out like lumps of coal? deep fried stuff ends up grease laden? You'll pick up a lot of good tips out of this book. There are a few simple recipies in with each section that you can use to test the waters and practice with.

    If you like to cook and want to expand your repetoire of cooking techniques, this is a good one to add to the shelf.

    -dk

    1. Re:This is a great book by bigfatlamer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm going to go pick this one up, but for another book with a nice ratio of how/why info to recipes, try Mark Bittman's "How to Cook Everything." It's organized like most cookbooks (all the beef recipes here, all the potato recipes over there) but each section starts off with 5-20 pages of basics on the ingredient in question and cooking techniques.

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    2. Re:This is a great book by HisMother · · Score: 3, Informative

      This review was posted, word for word, to Amazon on May 13th, 2002, by one Eugene Mah. Pretty nasty work, plagarizing the work of others just to grub karma. Slashdot folks, why do you keep modding this jerk up?

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    3. Re:This is a great book by boomer_rehfield · · Score: 1

      Never thought I'd read about cookbooks on slashdot.. best of both worlds...heh. I'm going to have to look up BOTH of these books now. Alton has a great way of bringing things across in a way people can understand.

      I have found the best cookbooks that I have are two culinary institute books that I picked up on a whim. I think newest one doubles for a boat anchor. I have it open every other night, if not for a recipe, for tips, sauces...you name it. (need to know how to filet a flounder?!?) It's called the New Professional Chef from the Culinary Institute of America. Prolly the best $50 I've ever spent.

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    4. Re:This is a great book by SpatchMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative
      • This review was posted, word for word, to Amazon on May 13th, 2002, by one Eugene Mah. Pretty nasty work, plagarizing the work of others just to grub karma. Slashdot folks, why do you keep modding this jerk up?
      I can confirm that.

      Eugene Mah's reviews are on amazon.com here. The review that dknj plagarized is currently the third one down on that page.
    5. Re:This is a great book by killthiskid · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll second that. I got 'How to Cook Everything' as a chistmas gift last year. I was sitting at my parents place the day after christmas, lounged out reading this book from cover to cover, when I let out one of many large chuckles. My mom came out the kitchen to see what I was laughing at, only to comment, 'only you would laugh at a cook book.'.

      The intro's and summaries are great. This is a good book. Not just receipes, it is entertaining and well written.

  7. Geek Food by NodeZero · · Score: 2, Funny

    I remember the days, back in college. Surviving on Mountain Dew and Jolt. Microwaveable . I knew I had to kick the habit when what little sleep I did get was consumed with dreams of coding. Nightmares of large code segments chasing me around. Ahh, those were the days. Oh wait, I still have one more year left!

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    1. Re:Geek Food by AppyPappy · · Score: 2
      Oh wait, I still have one more year left!

      Dude, you are gonna need to know that

      Ah the recurring nightmare. I am back in college and I realize I have an exam in two hours. I have never been to the class and have no idea where to find it. Of course, I didn't study for it either. Something for you college kids to look forward to when you graduate. Nightmares about college.

      I was rather hoping for dreams about the Alpha Chi's but alas...........

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    2. Re:Geek Food by Fjord · · Score: 1

      Another thing is just walking along an suddenly thinking "I can't believe they actually let me graduate". It's been almost 3 years and I'm still thinking this now and then.

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    3. Re:Geek Food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I frequently think that about recent CompSci graduates. ;)

  8. Alton Brown Rocks by elmegil · · Score: 4, Informative
    Good Eats is one of the few TV shows that I regularly make time to watch. It's amusing, offbeat, and educational. My favorite bit was in the Oatmeal episode, when Alton took 3 minutes to get into pictish drag and describe making haggis with a scottish accent.

    It's worth noting that Cookwise as referenced above is by Shirley Corriher, a food chemist who also is a semi-frequent guest on Good Eats. Alton & Shirley are definitely birds of a feather. And yes, we bought this book the minute it came out, and my wife and I both buzzed through it (she a bit more thorougly than I).

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    1. Re:Alton Brown Rocks by HarvDog · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you about Shirley Corriher and Alton. These two have changed the way I cook. The oatmeal episode was good, but the Thanksgiving special is my absolute favorite. Thanks to the two of them, I'm a born again briner. Using Alton's turkey brining method with some ingredient suggestions from Shirley, I roasted a turkey for Christmas that had my family practically licking their plates. Even my wife (who "hates roasted turkey breast") loved it.

      IMHO, anyone who is into the hows and whys of cooking should get both books. I keep both of them open in my kitchen all of the time, and I'll probably wear them out in just a couple years.

      If you're looking for information about older episodes, check out the unofficial fan page at http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/ It has transcripts, recipes, chats, etc.

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  9. learn how to land before you learn howto fly by cez · · Score: 1

    good pretense, some writers just make it easier to communicate ideas, wish most of my college texts were like this, well some were, but not the majority.

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  10. Recipie by adamjaskie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Found this somewhere a few years ago. Enjoy!

    CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES

    Materials:
    1. 532.35 cm3 gluten
    2. 4.9 cm3 NaHCO3
    3. 4.9 cm3 refined halite
    4. 236.6 cm3 partially hydrogenated tallow triglyceride
    5. 177.45 cm3 crystalline C12H22O11
    6. 177.45 cm3 unrefined C12H22O11
    7. 4.9 cm3 methyl ether of protocatechuic aldehyde
    8. 2.0 CaCO3 encapsulated avian albumen-coated protein
    9. 473.2 cm3 theobroma cacoa
    10. 236.6 cm3 de-encapsulated juglans regia fruits (sieve size 10)
    Procedure:

    To a 2-L jacketed round reactor vessel (reactor #1) with an overall heat transfer coefficient of about 100 Btu/F-ft2-hr, add ingredients (1), (2), and (3) with consistent agitation. In a second 2-L reactor vessel (reactor #2) with a radial flow impeller operating at 100 rpm, add ingredients (4), (5), (6), and (7), processing until the mixture is homogeneous. Add to ingredients in reactor #2, ingredient (8) and three volumetrically equal portions of the homogeneous mixture in reactor #1, processing after each addition until the mixture is again homogeneous.

    Upon completion of the previous step, add ingredients (9) and (10), slowly with constant agitation at an impeller rate of 50 rpm. Care must be taken at this point in the reaction to control any temperature rise that may be the result of an exothermic reaction.

    Using a screw extrude attached to a #4 nodulizer, place 10.0 cm3 nodules of the mixture in ordered ranks on a 316SS sheet (30.0 cm X 60.0 cm). Heat in a 460K oven for a period of time that is in agreement with Frank & Johnson's first order rate expression (see JACOS, 21, 55), or until golden brown.

    Once the reaction is complete, place the sheet on a 297K heat-transfer table, allowing the product to come to thermal equilibrium with ambient atmospheric temperature.

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    1. Re:Recipie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does a hell of job getting out old pet stains too.

  11. Alton Brown on FoodTV by schematix · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was suprised to see this review on /. but i must commend it. As a frequent foodtv watcher, i have to say that this guy is great. In every episode he goes after the science behind a particular food. He covers the chemistry of certain processes and explains often times how to circumvent problems.

    He recently did a show about strawberries that was superb. He showed an ingenious technique for freezing the strawberries using dry ice (for the CO2) so that they don't get mushy. He also ended the show with a brilliant analogy of antioxidants and free radicals using the strawberry dessert he had just made.

    Although often times quite eccentric, his show is always alurring to watch. Even if you aren't a fan of cooking shows this one might be of interest. On sunday around 9pm on foodtv (check your local listings) he has a full hour long show scheduled on cooking on a deserted island...or is that desserted? His culinary ingenuity is truly impressive.

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    1. Re:Alton Brown on FoodTV by jmccay · · Score: 2

      I think he is also on Wed nights (at 9pm). If I remember correctly, one of the shows is behind the other as far as episodes go.

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  12. Good Eats WILL turn you into a chef by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll go from a cook to a chef. I guarantee it. His explanations of the techniques he uses, as well as the DOWN AND DIRTY GEEKY explanations of the chemistry and physics behind why food cooks certain ways, are fantastic.

    Plus he wears great shirts.

  13. I just got this book last week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I too am a HUGE fan of his TV show. He has that irreverent attitude and common sense approach. Lot's o' humor and tidbits.

    The book is a good read and if you watch the show it is exactly what you expected.

    I find that in places he gets a little too odd -- just like when chatting with your other geek friends and one of them goes into a tyrade about how *HE* rewrote something to make it work how *HE* thought it should. You either think their a genius or just a little furher down the geek trail than you want to go.

    For instance he does his simmering in the oven because it gets better heat distribution and the oven is better at holding the 195 degree temperature. Makes sense, sure, but also just a little past normal.

    On the other hand most of his recipes are DAMN tasty and there are just enough of them to make this book interesting.

    But what I truly like about this book and what the reviewer does not explain well enough is the book's point. He does not want to give you the source and teach you how to type ./configure && make. No, he wants to give each of us a little hacking course. In fact this book is really "Design Patterns in Cooking".

  14. This guy is a freak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've watched him on TV.

    He killed some lobsters and called them
    "BUGS"

    this book can't be a good thing
    unless it is in which case I will
    stand corrected

    hug a root yall

    1. Re:This guy is a freak by drightler · · Score: 1

      I saw that episode, he was just explaining that a lobster is an arachnid. Just like any common spider, mite, shrimp, crab, crawfish, etc...

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    2. Re:This guy is a freak by krswan · · Score: 1

      Here in Florida, the little lobster that we pull out of our shallow reefs are commonly called "Bugs." Diving for them is called "Bug Hunting." I think Alton was probably just hanging out in the keys.

      I'm a fan too... his show is great, and I can't wait to check out the book.

  15. Alton's web site by smartin · · Score: 3, Informative

    www.altonbrown.com is pretty good. Read the rant's and raves section for funny stories from his book tour.

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  16. Tried to buy it yesterday... by RadioheadKid · · Score: 2

    Alton Brown rocks. I made the turkey for Thanksgiving which he showed how to cook on his show. People were saying it was the best turkey they had had in a while. Believe me, that wasn't due to my own culinary abilites, but thanks to Alton's directions. Good Eats is the most underated show on Food Network, corny, yes, but I love it. Ironcially I went looking for this book yesterday at the bookstore, they didn't have it, I'll have to pick it up online....

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  17. Does he have a recipe for hot grits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and must they be cooked while naked and petrified? (Joe Haldeman advocated frying bacon while naked, to make sure you didn't use too much heat.)

  18. That's what you think.... by mblase · · Score: 5, Funny

    Basically, a recipe is like an open source app that nobody's willing to muck with

    Dear Mr. Brown:

    Our law firm represents Emiril Lagasse and his associated restaurants. It has come to our attention that several of the recipes you employ in your book "I'm Just Here for the Food" may infringe on the recipes copyrighted by our client and his enterprise.

    These recipes, while not explicitly identical to Mr. Lagasse's, are similar enough to clearly be derivative works. It is our assertion that your recipes are in violation of our client's copyrights as well as his trademark on "hot and spicy Louisiana cookin'".

    We require that you pull your book from publication immediately, and submit a deposition regarding the origins of your recipes. We intend to file suit immediately for damages resulting from loss of profits due to your theft of our clients' recipes to the sum of not less than $2,000,000 (two million dollars) plus fifty percent of all profits from your book.

    Sincerely,
    The Law Firm of Dewey, Cheatem and Howe

    Cc: Stewart, Tabori and Chang, Legal Department

    1. Re:That's what you think.... by AppyPappy · · Score: 2

      If I ever see Emiril crossing the street, I'll kick him up another notch.... BAM!

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    2. Re:That's what you think.... by gellor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These recipes, while not explicitly identical to Mr. Lagasse's, are similar enough to clearly be derivative works. It is our assertion that your recipes are in violation of our client's copyrights as well as his trademark on "hot and spicy Louisiana cookin'".

      I just hope Justin Wilson's estate legal team doesn't see this. Things will get HOT then...yeah ya bet'cha....I gharRONtee...

    3. Re:That's what you think.... by Altus · · Score: 1


      way to make the Dewey, cheatem and Howe reference... very nice

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    4. Re:That's what you think.... by Tetsujin28 · · Score: 2

      Key piece of evidence: Brown's reference to a savory garnish as "BAMage." (from the Mussels show.)

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    5. Re:That's what you think.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Emiril Sucks!!!!! Damn, that man is annoying!

  19. Warning: by El_Smack · · Score: 2, Funny


    I like "tweaking and compiling" open source recipes, but last week I used a string variable when I should have used an array. It looked good to me, but when I ran it through my FPU (Food Processing Unit) I started getting SegFaults and wound up taking a huge core dump.

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  20. Another source by r_j_prahad · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can also buy the book from the Food Network website. When I got my copy, they were running a limited time special on autographed copies if you bought three or more items.. so mine has Alton's scribblegram on the inside frontspiece. This month it's a free apron with three items, and they're also featuring a complete collection of Good Eats on DVD.

    I often wonder why I don't weigh 600 pounds sometimes.

    http://www.foodtv.com/marketplace/index/

    1. Re:Another source by geekoid · · Score: 2

      man, If I had mod points, I'd mod you down. now everyone is going to get there before me ;)

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:Another source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yikes! It'd be pretty strange if you weighed 600 pounds sometimes. It's not healthy to let your weight fluctuate dramatically like that.

    3. Re:Another source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he is fluctating around 600 pounds slowly, so that one day he's 599, the next 601 .. and sometimes 600!

    4. Re:Another source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I often wonder why I don't weigh 600 pounds sometimes.

      Because it's very difficult to lose 200 pounds. Hang in there baby.

  21. Wow, a /. book review... by eaeolian · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...that actually makes me want to READ the book. I'll openly admit to not having heard of this guy before, but I like the approach. A lot. There are many people who say they can't cook, and yet, when you talk to them, they haven't really tried to learn - all they've ever done is follow recipies.

    To point out the obvious, the parallel to programming is right on - too many people ctrl-c'ing code snippets, not enough understanding of what's actually happening when that code executes. Does that make Front Page the TV dinner of Web design?

    1. Re:Wow, a /. book review... by topham · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can't cook and I'm not very inclined. (Food doesn't generally interest me...)

      But I've seen this guys show and it's great. Thinking about it, I'm not actually suprised this guy gets mentioned on slashdot.

      What I like about his show, he breaks down what he's doing in easy steps, tells you explicitly what to watch out for. Tells you how to fix problems which occur from over, or under cooking, etc [and how to tell without slaughtering the food]. It isn't as simple/stupid as: cook for 10 minutes or until done.

      And, his show is entertaining.

    2. Re:Wow, a /. book review... by freeweed · · Score: 2

      Does that make Front Page the TV dinner of Web design?

      I was thinking more like AFTER you've eaten the TV dinner - like say about 24 hours after :)

      --
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    3. Re:Wow, a /. book review... by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 2

      Does that make Front Page the TV dinner of Web design?

      Probably more like a vending machine: you have a few options to choose from, but whatever you get is going to be high-sugar, high-fat, lots of preservatives, and not very good for you.

      --
      I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning.
    4. Re:Wow, a /. book review... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it makes FrontPage the MRE of web design. People who know what it is or have a choice avoid it like the plague.

    5. Re:Wow, a /. book review... by ChaosDiscordSimple · · Score: 2

      Tempting review? Go see the show. I dislike cooking shows, but I religiously watch every episode of Good Eats, even the ones about food I hate. Why? Because Alton is a huge geek. You'll learn some recipes from him, sure, but more importantly you'll learn why things work. His chocolate chip cookie episode is brilliant. You learn what variables to adjust to tweak the cookies to your desired mix of chewy / puffy / flat. And you learn the science about why tweaking those variables matters. Excellent show.

  22. Is this really necessary? by Betelgeuse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Basically, a recipe is like an open source app that nobody's willing to muck with

    I mean, I know it's slashdot, but c'mon. Alton Brown is geeky enough without having to force the matter.

    --
    I couldn't tell if you were experimenting with poor-man's cryogenics or looking for the orange sherbet.
    1. Re:Is this really necessary? by slugo3 · · Score: 1

      yeah this is weird
      yesterday we get a windows ask /. and now a cook book review?
      hell in a handbasket i say

    2. Re:Is this really necessary? by nucal · · Score: 1

      I always thought open source cooking involved canned soup.

  23. Curry Anyone ? by cOdEgUru · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ingredients - Chicken pieces 1kg or 2.2 lbs
    Oil 3tbs,
    Chopped onion one and a half cup,
    Chopped ginger 2 tbs
    Chopped garlic half tbs
    Split green chillies 4
    Turmeric powder 1 tsp
    Chilly powder half or one tsp
    Coriander powder 2tbs
    Cumin seed 1tsp, pepper half tsp, cloves 5, cardamom 2, cinnamon sticks 3. Powder these together. Instead one and a half tsp of garam massala powder can also be used.
    Curry leaves a few
    Coconut milk 2 cups.

    Clean the chicken pieces. Mix it with 1 tbs of salt and 2 tsp of lime juice (or half cup of curd) and keep aside for half an hour. Make a paste of the coriander chilly and turmeric powder. Heat oil in a thick bottomed vessel. Add chopped onion, ginger, garlic and green chillies and brown it.
    Add the masala paste and fry for a minute. Add the chicken pieces together with the juice that comes out of it. Stir it for about five minutes. If the coconut milk is taken from fresh grated coconut add about 2 cups of the second milk to the curry. Otherwise add about 2 cups of hot water. Cover and cook for about half an hour till the chicken pieces are cooked.
    If you like potatoes in the currry, about one and a half cups of potato pieces can be added to the curry half way through. Add the coconut milk and the garam masala powder and curry leaves. If you want more gravy or the gravy is not thick enough dissolve a tsp of corn flour in milk or water and add to the curry and just boil again stirring well and just bring the curry to boil.

    Mods : Well... You gotta eat!

    P.S : Try this. Its one of the best curried chicken out there. Thank me later. Yes, I got karma to burn. I just thought this recipe would do everyone good.

    1. Re:Curry Anyone ? by Usquebaugh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you're an ex-pat Brit, I'm currently working in the colonies, and you just need to have an authentic resturant curry then buy

      The Curry Secret: Indian Restaurant Cookery at Home
      Kris Dillion
      Elliot Right Way Books
      ISBN: 0716020548

      Cheaper than that $800 flight

    2. Re:Curry Anyone ? by joss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thanks for the tip. I feel for you man.. I was in that situation for a while. SF has a few decent Indian's but they wouldn't know a decent naan if you smacked 'em with it. Check out Sue's Indian if you're in bay area.

      BTW, flights are a lot less than $800 most the time now.

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    3. Re:Curry Anyone ? by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Thanks. Your post really is on topic, because curry has useful health maintenance properties. Just do a search on ayurveda, the 5000+ year old Indian science that was supressed during British/Dutch colonial rule because it explained more than their "science". Western medicine kicks ass with respect to traumatic injuries, but ayurveda acknowledges different body types and the diseases/treatments that vary according to particular body types.

      Ginger, onions, garlic, cloves, cinnamon, and cumin all have strong antipathogenic properties. The small amount in a dish of curry won't cure a major infection, but can help maintain lower levels of unwanted pathogens in your GI tract. These spices also stimulate digestion. Some garam masala blends contain ajwan and/or asafoetida [smells like foetid ass!], which stimulate digestion and boost the immune system. Remember, sluggish digestion means that rotting rancid food spends more time in your GI tract--how can that be good for you?

      Someone should do research into post-dining serotonin levels using bland American food as the control group and curry dishes as the experiment group. People often seem happier after dining on curries--this happens enough here in Gainesville that some people have started a nasty rumor claiming that the Hare Krishnas spike their food with antidepressants!

      --
      "What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
    4. Re:Curry Anyone ? by cOdEgUru · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have you been to Shalimar in San Francisco.

      Its on 532 Jones St, San Francisco, CA 94102.

      And it has the best authentic North Indian cooking that I have tasted in a while.

      Though the restaurant has no ambience, you atleast know that the food is fresh, coz they make it literally in front of you.

    5. Re:Curry Anyone ? by dunham · · Score: 1

      Thanks, but where do you get the ingredients? I can't bring myself to buy those tiny jars of spice in the grocery stores, because I know I'm getting ripped off.

      Both general tips and specific places near Berkeley would be appreciated.

      (Right now, it's trader joe's curry for me, which isn't too bad, and at $2 a jar it is much cheaper than rolling your own - but I'd still rather make my own.)

    6. Re:Curry Anyone ? by PD · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A thousand years from now, some unknown nation of humans will revere the ancients, just as we revere the ancients. They will discover that the ancient and traditional food of pop-tarts have some very obscure health benefits, and will assume that we were a wise people.

    7. Re:Curry Anyone ? by Derek+S · · Score: 1

      If you're talking Berkeley, California, I like to go to Vik Importers. It's next to Vik's Chaat Corner (great Indian fast-food) at Allston and 4th. They've got a wide variety of spices and dal for really low prices. There are so many Indian-owned businesses in Berkeley that there must be other options near you as well.

      I recommend buying whole spices wherever possible. If you have a frying pan and a spare coffee grinder, you can toast and grind spice mixes right before you use them.

      You can buy ghee, as well, but it looks so disgusting in the jar that I just make my own.

    8. Re:Curry Anyone ? by Frogg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Below is a fantastic recipe, which I would say is definitely on par with cOdEgUru's chicken (korma style?) curry. (...who needs to worry about karma when you can cook a korma?!?! ;o)

      Curried Mushrooms with Spinach
      Serves 6

      450g / 1 lb button mushrooms
      120 ml / 4 fl oz / 1/2 cup white wine vinegar
      45 ml / 3 tbsp clear honey
      45 ml / 3 tbsp oil
      2.5 cm / 1 in ginger root, grated
      450 g / 1 lb spinach, chopped
      5 ml / 1 tsp ground cloves
      2.5 ml / 1/2 tsp chilli powder
      1 clove garlic, crushed
      2.5 ml / 1 tsp paprika

      Mix together the mushrooms, wine vingar and honey and leave to marinade for 1 hour. Drain off the liquid. Heat 30 ml / 2 tsp of oil and fry the ginger for 30 seconds. Add the mushrooms and fry for 3-4 minutes, stirring, then remove from the pan. Add the remaining oil and fry the ginger for a further 1 minute. Add the spinach, cloves, chilli powder and garlic, cover and simmer for 3-4 minutes. Stir in the mushrooms, sprinkle with paprika and simmer, stirring, until well blended.

      Enjoy!!

  24. Paper, Staples and Microwave? by GMontag · · Score: 2

    Is this for roasted popcorn?

    As for the popcorn recipe itself, here's a hint: popcorn, paper bag, and 2
    staples.


    Hopefully the bag is not closed with staples BEFORE insertion into the microwave, since this is the perfect formula for a fire.

    No idea why you would staple after popping either.

    If someone that has read the book can tell us what Mr. Brown has to say about this, before we run out and purchase the book it would be a greatly appreciated money saving assist.

    I love "Good Eats", watch it every wednesday at 2100 on the Food channel! I thought I was the only raw clam lover on earth before Alton Brown featured them on his show.

    1. Re:Paper, Staples and Microwave? by Sway · · Score: 1

      He says that as long as the staples are further apart than the amplitude of the microwaves (I think), then there is no fire risk. He definitely recommends doing the stapling before it goes in the microwave.

      --

      Peace. Sway

    2. Re:Paper, Staples and Microwave? by Skidge · · Score: 2

      I tried his popcorn recipe, stapling the back shut before microwaving. No problems whatsoever. The popcorn didn't turn out so great, but I think that was because I didn't really pay attention to the actual power of my microwave.

    3. Re:Paper, Staples and Microwave? by gopher_hunt · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have the book and highly recommend it to anyone interested in the science of cooking. As for the great staple controversy, here is a paraphrase of what is said: as long as youre using a microwave oven with a turntable and dont place the bag where the staples can rub up agains the wall, no fires or sparking will happen. This is because the staples have very little mass and are shorter than a microwave wavelength, rendering them 'invisible'. P.S. Use two staples only, placed 2 - 3 inches apart.

    4. Re:Paper, Staples and Microwave? by ColinBlair · · Score: 1

      The 2 staples go into the folded top of the back before going into the Microwave. There is a lengthy discussion of the wavelength of microwaves compared to the length of a staple in the book. A typical staple is something like 1/8th the length of the actual microwave. That is too short for significant heat to be generated. After using Alton's method over 30 times I have only noticed significant discoloration of the paper around the staple once. Just don't use really, really big staples, paperclips, or more than 2 staples and you should be fine.

    5. Re:Paper, Staples and Microwave? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know if this'll get read, but here goes.

      The two staples are indeed used to seal the bag. The theory is that they're so small as to be microwave-invisible, since they're shorter than the wavelength of an actual microwave. I have no idea whether or not this is actually true, I'm just quoting. It may also be possible that the staples are too small to have enough heat to transfer to ignite the bag.

      I have, however, tried it out several times to great success. By the time you pull it out, the bag has become slightly discolored around the staples, but nothing close to honest to goodness fire. The book claims that in preparation for the time the recipie was shown on t.v. (the corn episode of good eats) it was tested sucessfully in ten different makes and models of microwaves, which I'm inclined to believe since the liability would be huge if they weren't darn sure it would work.

      As for safety instructions, the book suggests that you'll be fine as long as the microwave has a turntable and the staples don't actually touch the interior surface of the microwave. And just use two staples, no more.

  25. I met Alton during his book tour! by dscottj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Shameless (but on topic) plug time:

    I met Alton while he was doing a book promo tour for IJHFTF. I did a full write up on it at my website. Read the play-by-play here....

    An excerpt:
    Alton seems to be at the same point of celebrity that Penn & Teller claim to be... famous enough to be recognized and draw crowds in certain situations, but not so "rock star" as to take it all seriously. I get the feeling that if he hadn't had an invite to the Washington Press Club that night, a bunch of the people at the bookstore could've offered to take him to dinner and he would've accepted immediately.

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    AMCGLTD.COM. Where cats, science fictio
  26. Worst... Analogy... Ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    His new book isn't so much a cookbook, in the current sense of a book that contains a heck of a lot of recipes. (It does, in fact, contain recipes, but it really isn't what the book is about.) See the Perl cookbook, for a translation of this idea to programming.

    Yeah, ummm well the Perl Cookbook is actually just a book filled with 'recipes' on how to fix specific problems. I would think of it more as a traditional cookbook than how you're describing this book here...

  27. Did you know? by SpanishInquisition · · Score: 0
    Obeject-Oriented Programming is like Japanese Food

    http://prometheus.frii.com/mp3/YAPC-2001/2001-ligh tning-sean-burke.m3u?play=1

    btw html posting and/or preview are broken

    --
    Je t'aime Stéphanie
  28. /.ers can cook?!? by kirkb · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I hate to perpetuate sterotypes, but you know very well that the single, male slashdot crowd (the majority) are pretty much limited to microwaved items, pizza, and stuff from here.

    Those of us who have tricked wooed somebody into marrying us are probably sensible enough to let them handle things. Personally, I'm only allowed in the kitchen to peel stuff and take out the garbage.

    So I suppose this slashdot article must be aimed at the female /. demographic (1% ?)

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    Slashdot: come for the pedantry, stay for the condescension.
    1. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by kirkb · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Weird, the "strike" HTML tag around "tricked" didn't take. /. filters that?

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      Slashdot: come for the pedantry, stay for the condescension.
    2. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by jamie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Use the Preview button :)

    3. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by Lxy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those of us who have tricked^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwooed somebody into marrying us are probably sensible enough to let them handle things

      I am am a better cook than my wife. We both know this. Yes, I appreciate it when she makes me dinner, but usually she leaves the cooking to me. By the way, I found a site long ago here that really helps me out in the kitchen.

      Don't fall into the lies, guys. Cooking can be as masculine as anything. Did I mention they make titanium cookware? Mmmmm.... titanium...

      --

      There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
      :wq
    4. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by Lxy · · Score: 2

      Awww crap... sorry about the link.

      http://recipes.wenzel.net

      --

      There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
      :wq
    5. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by Misch · · Score: 2

      Hi, my name is Paul, and I can cook. At least I think I can cook.

      Never heard any complaints.

      Maybe that's because the only people who didn't like my cooking are now dead. ;-)

      --

      --You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
    6. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2
      Cooking can be as masculine as anything.

      As a recreational improvisational cook, I agree completely. Anyone who finds this hard to believe may want to check out a book called "Bake it like a Man" .

      This was the first place I saw reference to using a blowtorch in the kitchen (creme brulee', of course.)

      Think about it, cooking involves hacking things up with knives, pounding things, playing with fire and complex power tools...all KINDS of "Manly" things....I find it amazing that male chauvinists even let their wives into the kitchen let alone have them do all of the cooking....(Fortunately, my wife is ALSO a talented cook, so we just switch off from time to time...)

    7. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by justruss · · Score: 1

      I never 'got' cooking. I could follow a recipe, no problem, and I occasionally enjoyed the social aspects of cooking. I didn't understand how someone was 'able to cook' or not, and I had no curiousity in the kitchen. It was just following recipes, to me.

      Then I saw Alton Brown's show, Good Eats. I saw an episode where he explained purchasing and maintaining knives, alongside his food lesson. I saw him explain numerous topics, and what I learned, above and beyond those details, is that there are things to learn in the kitchen. That cooking can be an intellectual endeavor. That "Food Science" is not an oxymoron, and there's still things to figure out w/r/t cooking, both personally and as a branch of science.

      And once I started doing things to learn how to do them (I know how to make mayonaise... it's fascinating), I've seen some additional benefits. There's the old social aspect of cooking; there's the enjoyment of taking time in a fast-paced world to create something very tangible, and there's the kudos you get for knowing what the hell you're doing, and producing something enjoyable.

      Alton Brown totally won me over to cooking. If the stereotypical /.er cares about understand and commanding the world arond him (and I think he does), he should check out AB's work.

      russ

    8. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by guidovalduchi · · Score: 1

      Cooking is totally geek-saavy. How else can you explain the coorelation between putting all the compenets-ingredients together into a viable outcome-something good to eat? It is the essence of being a geek. Plus if you take a look at the demographics of male to female chefs in the professional field, you will find males dominate it.

      However, some people should only be allowed in the kitchen to peel or take out the garbage!

    9. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by jayed_99 · · Score: 2
      Not only can cooking "be as masculine as anything", cooking can also be "sexy as hell". Those of you with facial hair (and experience with actual RL women) might have noticed that women like to watch you shave. They also like to watch you cook in much the same manner.

      Just remember, the first few dates, don't cook something so complex that it might destroy their self-esteem -- women often think that they should be good in the kitchen even if they're not -- and they don't want you to remind them of that.

    10. Re:/.ers can cook?!? by neuroticia · · Score: 1

      Guys who are proficient in anything are sexy. I mean- look at the guys rollerblading, they're sexy. Look at guys who can cook. Sexy. Look at guys poised over their CPU overclocking it. Sexy.

      Geeks... Let's put it this way. If they shower often enough to keep BO at bay, don't try to steal MY computer, are capable of doing more than 10 situps in a row, and believe in occasionally venturing outside... Sexy. If they can cook, all the better. Personally, I have about a 60% chance of success in the kitchen, and the phone numbers of all the takeout places in the area memorised... And I don't even use the phone.

      -Sara

  29. AB on tour, and a Good Eats fan link by Silverhammer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back in June, Mr. Brown (AB to his friends and fans) went on tour to promote his book. I caught his last stop here in Ann Arbor, Michigan. (It's the hometown of Borders, don'cha know...)

    Basically, the guy is just as witty and cool in person as he is on the show. He was obviously a little burnt out from the tour, and there were rumors his marriage was on the rocks, but in every other way he was just... himself. Most celebrities, when you meet them in person, are paler and scabbier and much more socially inept than they ever appear on screen. Not AB. Watching him during the Q&A session was just like watching him on his show -- so much so that I actually got a slight sense of dissociation.

    He's going back out on tour again soon. Here are the dates. If you can, go see him. It's definitely worth it.

    The best Good Eats site is not at the Food Network's main site. They just warehouse AB's recipes. The best Good Eats site is the Good Eats Fan Page. News, transcripts, FAQs, family tree (no, really ;-) and a complete index of the recipes. Enjoy.

  30. what i love about his shows... by paradesign · · Score: 4, Informative
    he dosent show you one way to do things. he does it several ways, with a scientific description of each. I love the little "muppets" that pop up to explain things.

    best example is his episode on baking cookies, i think he did like 4-5 variations explaining all of the variables in the CCCokie combination. From the sugar / brown sugar ratio to the cook time / heat ratio, to the butter used. its the most memorable to me.

    if you havent seen his show, you missing out, its not just a slurry of concepts and vocab, theres a fair mix of humor as well. also good is Food 911, where the guy goes to peoples houses and prepares meals with whats on hand. ive learned several recipies from that show. best of all he tells you what to use if you dont have a specific ingredient on hand, good theory + simple ingredients = good show.

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    I want 2D games back.
    1. Re:what i love about his shows... by elmegil · · Score: 1

      Um...Food 911 is where one guy goes around and shows people how to cook things they have difficulty with. Door Knock Dinners is where a different (and very annoying) guy goes to people's homes and has a chef cook them things with what's on hand. That guy is now doing Follow that Food, so I presume DKD is dead (thank god).

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    2. Re:what i love about his shows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      yeah but he usually ends up using whats on hand, unles they want help with a specific ingredient.

      case in point. one show a lady wanted to get away from her meat and potato diet routine. he ended up making her two dishes with what she had just laying around the house.

      maybe my point isnt entirely truthful, but it is in the fact that he gives goo solid advice and suggestions, and removes alot of the intimidation of cooking.

      paradesign

    3. Re:what i love about his shows... by Flounder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The CCChip show changed my life. Seriously. I'm actually now making cookies for money based on what I learned from that show.

      Not professionally, just several dozen a weekend or so, usually for relatives and friends.

      Granted, when the wife asked why I needed to buy a $50 cookie sheet, and I said "Alton Brown has one just like it", she just rolled her eyes.

      But I do love my $29 probe temp/timer just like Alton Brown has.

      --

      No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Cmdr. Susan Ivanova

    4. Re:what i love about his shows... by K8Fan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Prior to "Good Eats", the geekiest cooking show on the Food Network was "Taste" with David Rosengarten. He concentrated on techniques and each show would feature a single dish. The best ones would feature a dish, and all the wrong ways people make it. "Here's what NOT to do". The scrambled egg examples were every bad breakfast you'd ever eaten. His three different scrambled egg recipes were amazing.

      "Good Eats" is great, but I wish "Taste" would come back.

      --
      "How perfectly Goddamn delightful it all is, to be sure" Charles Crumb
    5. Re:what i love about his shows... by jbridges · · Score: 2

      I wish I had some mod points left today for you, I'd mod you up.

      I sorely miss "Taste". I don't think David Rosengarten is even on TV anymore? In some ways it was a better show than Good Eats, more "pure", more about the food. I still have his PrimeRib and Steak episodes on tape. Classics.

      He has a web page and newsletter, and a couple books in print.

      http://www.davidrosengarten.com

      You should also check out America's Kitchen on PBS, it's "Cook's Illustrated" done for TV. The host is the creator/editor of Cook's, doesn't have perfect teeth or hair, he's a real person, not a TV personality. It's a delightful show.

      In case you haven't seen "Cook's Illustrated", it has NO ADS! It has no "LOW FAT", or "DIET" recipes! It doesn't have any sort of article that would appeal to advertisers. It's all about food. They print up the entire years issues in book form at the end of each year, fascinating reading. In fact as much as I like Alton's book, I would pick up those back issues in book form first.

      I'd say the Cook's Illustrated TV show is closer to the spirit of "Taste" than "Good Eats".

    6. Re:what i love about his shows... by crontab · · Score: 1
      Amen! Rosengarten was (is?) great. He also used to do anatomy lessons on various cuts of meat, as well as poultry.

      Didn't he also use to have a show with Donna Hanover (Guliani's ex wife)? She wasn't bad either.

      Perhaps a petition to get him back on the air would be in order.

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  31. From his blog: by elefantstn · · Score: 5, Funny
    I've received several books, a few very good cigars, custom art, a home-made Alton Brown doll and a set of tea towels that have "Good Eats" woven into them...in Klingon.
    Ok, fess up. Who was it?
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  32. IT Chef by Zabu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lets parse it up another notch, BAM!

    Cooking is fun when you add other aspects of life to it. For example... Iron Chef is a clever combination of oriental cooking and televised wrestling. It makes a perfect recipe for entertainment!

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    It's all good.
  33. To Serve Camels by gelfling · · Score: 4, Funny

    oh my god it's...it's...it's a COOKBOOK

  34. Check out Cook's Illustrated by ciaohound · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know if Chris Kimball is a computer geek, but his work certainly delves into the science of cooking to answer fundamental kitchen questions, like which starch is best to thicken a fruit pie. (Answer: amylopectin, found in arrowroot and tapioca, which is good to know now that fresh blueberries are cheap and plentiful. God, I love fresh blueberry pie.)

    Anyway, my wife and I have several of his books, which are great references to have in the kitchen, and although I haven't used it much, he does have a website. It's advertisement-free, and the product reviews are about as objective as you'll find.

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    Oh, yeah, it's not easy to pad these out to 120 characters.
    1. Re:Check out Cook's Illustrated by scaramush · · Score: 1

      I want to second the suggestion of CI. I've always enjoyed their "scientific method" approach to cooking: Start with a theory, test the hell out of it, follow any logical paths it may lead you down.

      It's a great magazine.

      --
      "...you can steal my woman, but you ain't done nuthin' smart."
    2. Re:Check out Cook's Illustrated by connorbd · · Score: 2

      The CI show, America's Test Kitchen, is another great kitchen-geek show. I have one of the cookbooks from it, plan to get others. /brian

  35. This guy is great by mfos.org · · Score: 2

    I didn't know about his book till you told me (and I'm getting it) but I love his show (they can be goofy at times, but once they settle down, you can really learn stuff). His chocolate cookie episode was great, which explained how different flours and fats affected the outcome.

  36. TY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, perfect!

    Thank you very much.

    Montag

  37. The real geek cook book is contained in this post by paradesign · · Score: 2
    from ARS technica

    the ARSTechnica Cookbook of "Bachelor Chow"

    required reading for all single geeks or starving artists.

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  38. he has a website by pjgeer · · Score: 2, Funny

    that is, he had one until we slashdotted it.

  39. Fan page by asrb · · Score: 4, Informative

    At the risk of slashdotting yet another site, check out http://goodeatsfanpage.com/

    It has transcripts for the shows, and recipes for each show that link back to foodtv.com. I don't think the latest season is up yet, but lots of great stuff there.

  40. On a related note... by Otter · · Score: 2
    On Food and Cooking: The Sciene and Lore of the Kitchen, by Harold McGee.

    A terrific book that explains the chemistry of flour, meat, eggs and all the other complex reagents involved in cooking. All cookbooks should have electron microscope photos!

    Should note that it's not a cookbook, though. If that's want you want, a good one is The Cake Bible, by Rose Berenbaum. Baking is a particularly complex art, and that book explains exactly why a certain type of flour is used in a particular cake, how much and with what other ingredients it's combined.

  41. Good Eats show times by gopher_hunt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good Eats airs Wednesdays at 1:00 p.m., 9:00 p.m. and 12 a.m., Saturdays at 9:30 a.m., 9:00 p.m. and 12:00 a.m. and Sundays at 6:30 p.m. and 3:30 a.m. All times ET.

    See what the show's will cover at this website

  42. Another good food science cookbook by neile · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you find this kind of subject interesting I suggest you also check out Cookwise: The Hows and Whys of Successful Cooking by Shirley M. Corriher. It's a similar type of cookbook: heavy on the science of food and cooking, with sample recipes. Ms. Corriher contributes frequently to food magazines like Fine Cooking and Cook's Illustrated. In this month's Fine Cooking she went into gory details on the cause of freezer burn and how to prevent it.

    1. Re:Another good food science cookbook by sdsykes · · Score: 1

      Also check out Harold McGee's "On Food and Cooking, The Science and Lore of the Kitchen", which is full of useful and interesting information. Highly recommended.

    2. Re:Another good food science cookbook by FuddChuckles · · Score: 1
      Other good recs from a /. cooker (shhh. tell no one):

      How to Read a French Fry by Russ Parsons

      From the review:
      In this entertaining book packed with fascinating tidbits, Parsons explores the science behind such basic cooking methods as chopping, mixing, frying, roasting, boiling, and baking. You'll learn why soaking beans can't offset their gaseous effects, why green vegetables shouldn't be cooked under a lid for long, which fruits you can buy unripe and which you should buy fully ripened, which thickener to choose for your turkey gravy, which piecrust is foolproof for a beginner.
      And for the more contemplative /.ers, please try:

      The Supper of the Lamb by Robert Farrar Capon

      It blends science, wisdom and religion (but not in an oppressive way- promise) into a phenomenal book. Try it; you'll thank me.

      -FC
  43. peDoghQo' by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    nuqneH

    Hab SoSlI' Quch!

    Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam

    maj! maj! maj!

  44. popcorn by bensej · · Score: 1

    I really hope he isn't suggesting that you staple shut a paper bag and put it in the microwave. As one who has accidentally placed a foil lined paper bag in a microwave, I can imagine the flames will be impressive. Of course if you aren't using your own microwave then hey have fun.

    1. Re:popcorn by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2
      I really hope he isn't suggesting that you staple shut a paper bag and put it in the microwave.

      Actually, if I remember correctly, not only DOES he, but he EXPLAINS WHY AND HOW HE/YOU CAN (i.e. he doesn't do it out of ignorance of what happens when you put a bunch of metal in the Microwave) without making your microwave explode and/or belch smoke.

  45. Any other cooking fundamentals books? by slank · · Score: 1

    Not to steal Alton Brown's thunder (I own his book, it's awesome), but can anyone suggest any similar books for those of us who just can't justify culinary school, but want to become great amateur chefs? I've searched, but the cost and age of most of the books I've found make me want an opinion before buying.

    (perhaps I'm offtopic, but please mod up responses)

    1. Re:Any other cooking fundamentals books? by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

      Nothing works like just trying things out. Just get cookbooks and try stuff.

      There is lots of stuff on the web as well.

      Just remember that every time you mess up something you learn something new.

      Shameless plug for my wife's website follows =>

    2. Re:Any other cooking fundamentals books? by ipxodi · · Score: 1

      One of the best is actually a book used by the CIA (Culinary Institute of America, not the black helicopter agency) called The Professional Chef. I got the 5th edition about ten years ago and it is great instruction. Its about 1000 pages, about a third of which are techniques and basic prepeartions. The rest is restaurant quality recipes. The recipes are also restaurant sized, so you'll have to scale them down.

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    3. Re:Any other cooking fundamentals books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as someone else mentioned: Cook's Illustrated. They take a recipe rip it to shreds and start from 0. They will cook 20+ pounds of burger to find the right hamburger or 10 cakes to get the batter right. Each addition, change, omission, etc is documented. Great magazine and great site although it does cost money to really use.

      Pasta Improvvisata (how to improvise in Italian style) if you like Italian style pasta. She goes into the hows and whys of sauce and the noodles. Another great book.

      I'll probably get laughed at but my '60s edition of Fanny Farmer is a must have. They really ruined the book in the late 70s and the mordern rewrite is absolutely horrible.

      Just watching FoodTV a lot has really helped. Seeing 6 cooks do similar recipes 6 ways helps you break down the point of the recipe if you are able to take a step back.

    4. Re:Any other cooking fundamentals books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of the really good ones have already been mentioned here, although I'm really partial to Jacque Pepin's The Complete Technique and anything by Julia Child. Another great one is the book the two of them did together--seeing two old friends who are among the very best in the world cooking, comparing techniques, letting you see different ways of doing everything, and letting you see the joy the take in cooking and in each other is pretty neat.

      The aforementioned On Food and Cooking is excellent, and for food porn (not my phrase, but you have to see the book to beleive it) is Thomas Keller's The French Laundry Cookbook

    5. Re:Any other cooking fundamentals books? by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2

      As mentioned by someone below, if you want a 'real' cookbook, get The Joy of Cooking, and make sure it's the latest edition... not the Used-BookStore 1984 edition but the late 90's one. It's a complete reference, includes sections on techniques and ingredients, does include cuisines from more than just North America, and runs about 1100 pages. Here's a link.

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    6. Re:Any other cooking fundamentals books? by rodentia · · Score: 2

      Julia Child's *Way to Cook* is a great presentation of foundation recipes with the variations that teach you how to improvise successfully.

      After that and a deal of practice, have a look at Escoffier, a nineteenth C Frenchman whose fame has made his book eponymous. The units are archaic, the portions industrial and the stove is coal-fired, but this is the fscking Bible of French cuisine. You will learn more mucking up the recipes in his book than you will anywhere short of apprenticing with Bocuse.

      Now, when I cook for other than everyday, I make a menu of seasonal ingredients, pick a cut of critter and work through Julia and Escoffier side-by-side. I haven't followed a recipe in a decade. If someone asks what they're eating I make up a name and then explain what its based on. I made a brown sauce a few years ago that people still talk about.

      Don't be afraid to screw up; recipes are guidelines, not algorithms. Except baking. Cooking may be an art, but baking is science.

      Lastly, the most important factor for true greatness in the amateur kitchen: make your own stock.

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      illegitimii non ingravare
    7. Re:Any other cooking fundamentals books? by howardholton · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can whole heartedly reccomend "Cooks Illustrated" it is a Bi-Monthly (6 issues / year) mag that features only cooking tips and tricks. The recipies are more informational on how to create the perfect (fill in dish here) that happen to have a recipie attached, it gives kitchen equipment reviews, helpful tips from others and the like - but best of all - absolutely NO ADS in the entire mag.

      If you like the mag they publish every year's full set of mags in a hardcover book.

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      Everyone is Ignorant, just in different subjects.
    8. Re:Any other cooking fundamentals books? by connorbd · · Score: 2

      If you can read French, get Escoffier in French (and get an industrial-strength dictionary, pour l'amour de Dieu, you're gonna need it). The only readily available English translation is supposedly not very good, and Americanizes the measurements.

      No, metric is not a bad thing; just turn the measuring cup around and quit whining...

      Interestingly, as a challenge for myself, before I got my hard copy of the original French I decided to see whether I could handle Escoffier's French. It wasn't too hard for what I picked, though I did need AB's above-reviewed book for a technique or two...

      And of course Julia, who I'm pretty certain is a minor deity in disguise. From spy (well, she did work for the OSS) to queen of the kitchen... that's one of those transitions that just blows the mind. /Brian

  46. Heston Blumenthal by lobster_sew · · Score: 1

    A UK chef called Heston Blumenthal has been similarly engaged on the quest to find the science behind cooking.

    Recently voted "Chef's Chef of the Year", Blumenthal is proprieter of the Fat Duck restaurant and writes a regular cooking column in the Saturday edition of the Guardian newspaper.

    In these articles he takes tenets of cooking law ("The water in which green vegetables are cooked *must* be salted", "High-temperature sealing of meat keeps in the juices") and either justifies them or blows them apart. He tests, tastes, tests, tastes, and consults food scientists until he understands more of the principles behind the cooking. (Both of those tenets, in case you're interested, turn out to be completely false.)

    He has also enthused about cooking meat at very low-temperatures - I can recommend without reservation that you try it yourselves and see.

    Read his Guardian articles here, and there are some others on his site.

  47. grabbed from...... by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    The Klingon Language Institute list of everyday phrases. It really says something that 'Today is a good day to die' (Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam) is an everyday phrase.

    There are now more speakers of Klingon than of Navajo. That is so sad....

    1. Re:grabbed from...... by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      There are now more speakers of Klingon than of Navajo. That is so sad....


      No, that's a good thing. We can send them into the battlefield to carry our encrypted communications. And no worry of them being tortured to reveal their secrets, as any captor would be annoyed into killing a trekkie long before having the chance to torture them.

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      do not read this line twice.
    2. Re:grabbed from...... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      If you had a small group of rare language speakers whom you wanted to use for communications, the last thing you would do is send them into a battlefield. That was the biggest stupid thing about that movie. The messages they had them communicate could have easily been sent in the clear. "Attack the guns at these coordinates 15 minutes from now" could be sent in English, unencrypted, because the enemy wouldn't be able to move the guns in 15 minutes. It would be far more useful to use those people for high-level communications between offices in the Pentagon and ships at sea, for example. However, that's not as exciting for a movie, so the viewers are insulted instead.

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    3. Re:grabbed from...... by connorbd · · Score: 2

      Except it sounds like you think the movie was a total fiction. The codetalkers are a well-known part of WWII history; if it sounds ridiculous to you, well, take it up with the US Army, circa 1942.

      I didn't see the movie myself, heard it was rather hokey, but it's Based On A True Story. For real. /Brian

    4. Re:grabbed from...... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      I realize there is some history behind it. The true story of Navajo soldiers in WWII was fictionalized to try to make an entertaining movie. They failed not because the Navajo story was boring, but because it was irrelevant to the battle story they wanted to tell. The "codetalking" detracted from the story instead of adding to it.

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    5. Re:grabbed from...... by connorbd · · Score: 2

      Well that's rather a different story, then, isn't it? But that's not how you sounded initially... /Brian

  48. Damn straight! by hicktruckdriver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speak for yourself, man!

    As far as I'm concerned, cooking is mad geeky -- taking various disparate components and combining and processing them to create things that are often nothing like the original components. IMHO, cooking has the same allure as creating music, coding, or sports. (Wait, did I just say that?)

    Bonus: It's also socially acceptable to be a pyromaniac if it's in the service of cuisine.

    Double Bonus: Chicks dig it -- you've got to give them a reason to look past your double-thick glasses, right?

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    darius
    1. Re:Damn straight! by Peyna · · Score: 2

      I find being geeky + able to cook can be quite a chick-magnet. Not only will you (hopefully) be able to "put food on the table" in the future, but you can actually prepare it yourself.

      Are there many other geek coders/gardeners/cooks out there? I love all 3, but coding definitely comes first =]

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      What?
    2. Re:Damn straight! by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      Sing it, brother. Code by day, cook dinner when I get home, then tend to the garden (which is only herbs and things I can use to make incense). I have a bonsai collection too. I love cooking, gardening I just do for relaxation, as I tend to kill most things anyways.

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      do not read this line twice.
    3. Re:Damn straight! by joss · · Score: 2

      Amen. Uh, I need to work on the gardening thing.. but seriously planning to.

      Cooking goes so naturally with coding it's amazing to me that there's this pizza/burger geek thing. Something you can smell, touch, taste, see is perfect antidote to abstraction of coding, but combination of inventiveness and perpetually expanding knowledge are in common.

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    4. Re:Damn straight! by Consul · · Score: 2

      Are there many other geek coders/gardeners/cooks out there? I love all 3, but coding definitely comes first =]

      Interestingly enough, in the course of searching for a house to buy, one of my top priorities (besides broadband availability) is whether I can have my own garden. I guess once the bug hits, it just won't let go.

      Nice to know I'm not the only geek cook who wants to garden. :o)

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    5. Re:Damn straight! by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      Something you can smell, touch, taste, see is perfect antidote to abstraction of coding, but combination of inventiveness and perpetually expanding knowledge are in common.

      Yup. I'm a "always cook from scratch" kinda person, which has flummoxed my new roommate: if it doesn't come in a can or box, she doesn't see any need for it in the kitchen. Other than a few staples (milk, butter and garbage bags), our shopping lists have zero in common.

      The other two things I do is play guitar (it kills time during compiles, and I swear it prevents carpal tunnel) and do woodworking, stage props and other oddities, mostly. I really want to get into metalworking, but know zero about it. Something about the satisfaction when everything is in place, and you have a final product that is totally solid and perfectly to spec.

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      Evan

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      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    6. Re:Damn straight! by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1
      Are there many other geek coders/gardeners/cooks out there? I love all 3, but coding definitely comes first =]
      [raises hand]
      Right here. I remember coming home from the mall on the bus about 10 years ago while reading my newly-acquired copy of Rose Levy Beranbaum's _The Cake Bible_ The old lady next to me on the bus was amazed to think that men actually not only cooked, but baked! That book is somewhat similar to the reviewed one. RLB goes into the science of baking with explanations of why each recipe performs the way it does. I have learned a lot from her. If I wasn't already into bodybuilding when I got that book, I would definitely have plumped up within a matter of months :-) I'm now working my way through _The Making of a Pastry Chef_ and it's pretty interesting. I have a major sweet tooth

      Cooking is definitely for the do-it-yourselfer: Wed. night's leftover pasta sauce (sausages simmered for 3 hours...mmm) became Thursday night's pizza base along with more garlic and fresh basil and oregano (nice to be able to step into the backyard and just pick what you need off the plants) and slices of handmade mozzarella.
      Learning technique is the most important thing: it makes it possible to come up with snack/dessert ideas when you wake up at 2 am hungry and can only use whatever's on hand.

      Heck, I've been thinking of making a combination backyard foundry (checkout the Gingery book)/pizza oven for a while now...
    7. Re:Damn straight! by KshGoddess · · Score: 1
      >Double Bonus: Chicks dig it -- you've got to give them a reason to look past your double-thick glasses, right?

      Erm, yeah. Chicks dig guys who cook. I find this as amusing as when my bf told my brother "Chicks like stuffed animals."

      If you haven't caught on by now, not all chicks dig guys who <insert activity here>. While it's true that some chicks like guys who cook, and guys who bring them stuffed animals, it's not a singular activity that "chicks" like. Most "chicks" like guys who are interesting, and who enjoy life.

      Of course, my guy cooks, cleans, vacuums, mops, sews, does woodwork, metalwork, road construction, and sysadmins and codes on the side. On that note, we're two of a kind; I sysadmin, script and code some, but I also quilt, crochet, draw, and of course, cook.

      The cat, however, is the least talented of us, by simply being an expert in sleeping and chasing his tail.

      More to the topic of Alton Brown, I think he's pretty cool, and his shows are always interesting. He's found a way to present pretty dry information (like how to cook fish, or fry chicken) that's been done by everyone and their brother, from Emeril to Martin Yan, and make it funny, interesting, and educational. I always learn something, even if it's not what the main topic's about.

      If Alton Brown (or his script writer) put as much of himself into the book as he does for the show, it's probably worth buying. I'm not a big cookbook fan, myself. I prefer to cook by smell and taste, and by the "what's in the cupboard" rule. I eat simply, which is what I like about how Alton presents things. He usually doesn't cook food that requires its own weird set of utensils. Who owns olive forks or asparagus tongs or boullion spoons these days anyway?

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      It's a little wrong to say a tomato is a vegetable. It's a lot wrong to say it's a suspension bridge.
  49. Autograph copy (still?) at foodtv.com by deadwood · · Score: 1
    Man, I love Alton Brown

    Seems pretty universal too, as I found out my local grocery store clerk watches him religiously.

    Anyways, I pre-ordered mine from www.foodtv.com a couple of months back, and it was autographed. You might want to see if its still available.

    Oh yeah, also watch "A Cooks Tour". Another great Food Network show. Anthony Bordain has a very interesting look into the Restraunt Cook profession in his "Kitchen Confidential" book.

    I mean stuff that would make you think twice about going to a 2-3 star restaurant. Germs, blood, sex, drugs, bankrupcy, etc.

  50. Good Book, Good Show, Good Eats! by MrIcee · · Score: 4, Interesting
    After watching his show for over a year now, I had to have his book as well.

    GREAT BOOK. This is NOT a cookbook - it's a book on kitchen science directed specifically to HOW TO HEAT FOOD PROPERLY.

    As a lot of you geeks probably already know... cooking is about science. Physics and chemstry are paramount to making a good meal (unless your cooking out of a box).

    Before the advent of FOOD TV, and experts like Alton Brown, I tended to eat out most. If I ate in at all, I'd just slap some chops on a skillet and eat them with some store bought sauce. Thanks to FOOD TV and his show, I've now become quite a good chef and greatly enjoy making myself and friends gourmet meals.

    Browns show is intense... super funny, and chock full of unbelievably useful information. He is never satisfied to *just do something*, no, he has to explain each and every WHY to it. And while he's doing that, he's throwing out tons of other useful suggestions that you would never have thought of.

    The book goes IN DEPTH into exactly how heat works and cooks... and the various types of heating and when they are appropriate and why. He covers in depth exactly how heat reacts with the food. He explains exactly what the difference is between Radiation, Convection and Conduction (with excellant and funny examples) and then relates them to the various types of cooking (e.g., oven roasting is radiation, while boiling or steaming is conduction etc).

    Each page has side panels that blow apart current cooking and food myths, such as salt being bad for you, etc...

    Unlike most books that INSTRUCT you... his book and show not only instructs you, but tells you the why, the history, the mistakes and most importantly... the science!

    A book every geek should own and read - and then stop going to McDonalds, buy a BowFlex and drop those pounds and build that body!

  51. Just to let everyone know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He also has a series of dvds available which contain episodes and therein the recipes from shows relating to meats and sweets. Kinda pricy at 50 bucks for 3 dvds, but in interesting buy.

  52. hmmm, gelfling by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    Most tasty, gelflings are. Many ways to prepare...

    Is there anything in that book about the cooking technique of draining the life out of the animal with a giant dark crystal? Drained gelfling might not be as tasty as braised, but is a great tonic.

  53. Get a sense of his cooking style from these clips by gopher_hunt · · Score: 2, Informative

    linked to from the NPR webpage:

    Audio "Rocket Hot Melon Menagerie"

    Video Watch Brown give some sage advice on soy sauce.

    The NPR webpage covering "an alton brown cookout"
    NPR

  54. Geek cooking resources by jht · · Score: 2

    There was a thread about Geek Cookery on Ars recently, and out of it came the Ars Technica Cookbook of Bachelor Chow - it's a nifty PDF file with a lot of recipes and such in it. I figured it was germane to this discussion.

    As for Good Eats - it's a regular on my Tivo at least once a week. In fact, between Good Eats, Iron Chef, A Cook's Tour, and Mario Eats Italy, I probably just ought to leave the darned thing on Food Network all the time!

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    -- Josh Turiel
    "2. Do not eat iPod Shuffle."
  55. hhmm by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

    I love good eats. It is because of Alton I made baby back ribs, cheese cake, 40 garlic chicken, and my BBQ skills have vastly improved. It hs more to do with the knowledge about a recipe, then the recipe it self.
    However, it doesn't mean it should be on a /., and it shouldn't.
    normally I take a pretty broad view of these things, but c'mon, he's a cook.

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    1. Re:hhmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he's a cooking nerd.. and /. is news for nerds right?

  56. lay of the land? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
    Alton aims to give you the lay of the land.

    Thanks, but no thanks. Will the actress/taste-testers from Iron Chef be making this offer?

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    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    1. Re:lay of the land? by Mr.Phil · · Score: 1
      Alton aims to give you the lay of the land.

      Thanks, but no thanks. Will the actress/taste-testers from Iron Chef be making this offer?

      Nope, just the fortune teller.

  57. Reminds me of "Stirred Eggs" by Interrobang · · Score: 3, Funny

    13.1. Stirred Eggs From How to Cook and Eat in Chinese
    by Buwei Yang Chao
    Copyright 1945, 1949 0 1963 by Buwei Yang Chao
    Published by Random House of Canada Limited, Toronto. in 1970.
    ISBN: O-394-71703-1 LCCCN: 73-89692
    Vintage Books Edition, April 1972
    Pages 133 to 135

    Chapter 18 EGGS

    13.1. Stirred Eggs

    Stirred eggs may be said to be the most everyday dish made by applying the most everyday method to the most everyday material. Learning to stir-fry eggs is the ABC of cooking. As this is the only dish my husband cooks well, and he says that he either cooks a thing well or not at all I shall let him tell how it is done.

    "Obtain:

    6 average-sized fresh eggs (for this is the maximum number of eggs 1 have cooked at one time)
    3 grammes of cooking salt (or, as an alternative, 4 grammes of table salt)
    50 c.c. fresh lard, which will approximately equal the content of 4 level tablespoonfuls
    1 plant of Chinese ts'ung (substitute with scallion if ts'ung is unobtainable) about 30 em. long by 7 mm. in average diameter. (This ingredient is optional.)

    "Either shell or unshell the eggs by knocking one against another in any order.* Be sure to have a bowl below to catch the contents. With a pair of chopsticks, strike the same with a quick, vigorous motion known as 'beating the eggs.' This motion should, however, be made repeatedly and not just once. Automatic machines, aptly named as egg-beaters,' have been invented for this purpose.

    "Make cross sections of the ts'ung at intervals of about 7.5 mm., making 40 sections altogether. Throw in the ts'ung and the measured amount of salt during the final phase of the 'beating.'

    "Heat the lard in a large flat-bottomed pan over a brisk fire until it (the lard) begins to give off a faint trace of smoke. Pour the contents of the bowl into the oil at once.

    "The next phase of the operation is the most critical for the successful stir-frying of eggs. When the bottom part of the mixture becomes a puffed-up soft mass on contact with the heat, the upper part will remain quite liquid. Preferably using a thin flat piece of metal attached to a handle, the operator should push the mixture to one side so as to allow the uncooked liquid portion to flow onto the hot fat on the now exposed portion of the bottom. (Sometimes this may be facilitated by slightly tipping the pan.) Quickly repeat this until abut 90 per cent of the liquid has come in contact with the hot fat and becomes puffed. Then, still using the flat piece of metal, make the entire content of the pan revolve through 180 degrees about a horizontal axis. This delicate operation is known as 'turning it over,' which in the hands of a beginner may easily become a flop.

    "It can be done neatly and without waste only after repeated practice with different sets of eggs.

    "If the turning over has been successfully carried out, wait for 5 seconds, which is about the time it takes to count from 1 to 12, then transfer the contents to the bowl or a platter, when the dish is said to be done.

    "To test whether the cooking has been done properly, observe the person served. If he utters a voiced bilabial nasal consonant with a slow falling intonation, it is good. If he utters the syllable yum in reduplicated form, it is very good."-Y. R. C.

    *"Since, when two eggs collide, only one of them will break, it will be necessary to use a seventh egg with which to break the sixth. If, as it may very well happen, the seventh egg breaks firt instead of the sixth, an expedient will be simply to use the seventh one and put away the sixth. An alternate procedure is to delay your numbering system and define that egg as the sixth egg which breaks after the fifth egg."

    Mr. Chao was an engineer...and apparently quite as geeky as anyone would wish... Happy cooking!

  58. worth it for people that don't by Peyna · · Score: 2

    eat meat? I love to cook, but I don't eat meat, so can anyone enlighten me to if this book is worth reading if you don't eat meat?

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    1. Re:worth it for people that don't by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2

      The book's about COOKING, not just "meat". The ingredients, in fact, are secondary in the whole book (with the exception of the section on "eggs", which discusses the effects of adding eggs to food [and how it affects the cooking]) to the actual techniques of "cooking food"...

    2. Re:worth it for people that don't by TheHaas · · Score: 1

      I don't own it now, because my wife wants to buy it for my b-day.

      Anyway, I've thumbed through it several times in the bookstore, and though he mainly uses meat as the main ingrediant, he also does some vegatable dishes too. The book is about applying heat, and different ways to do it, not about a particular ingrediant.

      If I was a vegatarian, I'd head to a bookstore and look at it before purchasing.

  59. Alton Brown and R.E.M. by Pyrosophy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    AB is amazing, and though his show put me off at first, I'm a big fan now. He is the only reason I can cook fish ("Hook, Line, and Dinner" at http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com ).

    But he's not just a cooking geek -- the awesome production values in his show come from a history working with videos for MTV, and even some from R.E.M. I'm not sure which ones he was involved in, but it would be nice to know.

    The lobster espisode was the best. Placing them where they were on the food chain has un-whetted my appetite a bit, but the in-depth instructions on how to kill them without pain (it's not dumping them in boiling water...) calmed my nerves when I actually had to do the deed. In AB's terms "the only creature you'll probably have to dispatch in your home kitchen."

    1. Re:Alton Brown and R.E.M. by Mr.Phil · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Same thoughts as to the lobster episode. I always wondered why my grandpa called it "a bug." I know why now...

  60. sections by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
    and a selection on cleanliness

    Quick! Give this book to your favorite gnu/hippy!

    --
    Do you even lift?

    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

  61. So What's Wrong With Using a Hair Dryer by snookerdoodle · · Score: 1

    Start coals the normal way: ready in 45 minutes.

    Start coals and blow on them with a hair dryer, leaf blower, or (wow, what a concept!) a bellows: ready in 5 minutes.

    Once everyone's already written you off as a hopeless nerd, what's there to lose by using a blow dryer to get the coals ready?

    Mark

    1. Re:So What's Wrong With Using a Hair Dryer by Dahan · · Score: 2

      Start coals and pour liquid oxygen on them: ready in 3 seconds

  62. Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by hyacinthus · · Score: 2

    ...you really can't do any better than _The Joy of Cooking_. It's been around forever and has been updated more times than I can remember; it is not a mere collection of recipes, but a well-organized survey of cooking techniques and ingredients (the section on ingredient substitution is excellent, for example, and has saved me from several kitchen disasters.) The chief deficiency of the book, I think, is its overemphasis on American and European dishes, but that's understandable; if the book comprehensively dealt with cuisine of every nationality, it'd be a ten-volume set.

    Most importantly, _The Joy of Cooking_ is not written by someone who is more interested in bragging about his thousands of dollars of computer equipment. I'm not sure what the audience for this book is. I've never met a computer geek whose place wasn't overflowing with old pizza crusts and crumpled Jumbo Jack wrappers--computer nerds don't _cook_.

    hyacinthus.

    1. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by TooTallFourThinking · · Score: 1

      *laugh* you are a bitter person aren't you? using all those forms of rthetoric to sway someone's opinion.

      If you want a real cook or ...not written by someone who is more interested in bragging about his thousands of dollars of computer equipment.

      I find it amusing cause you could have gotten your point across much better without trying to discredit the author, as if having thousands of dollars of computer equipment somehow is a reflection of their cooking skills, or trying to influence others by saying in so many words "You can't be a REAL cook unless you read thie Joy of Cooking."

      And I don't doubt the book isn't good, but let's not play the this book is better than that book game. it depends upon the reader, list what the book has to offer and leave it at that.

      I was going to use my moderator point to flamebait this post, but I figured that could only say so much.

    2. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2
      ...as if having thousands of dollars of computer equipment somehow is a reflection of their cooking skills...

      ESPECIALLY after seeing him make a cold-smoker out of some yard-sale refuse and a cardboard box (instead of buying some fancy expensive commercial thing - He's like the "Anti-Martha-Stewart" [My wife an I refer to her show as "Martha's Gadget Shop" since it seemed like she was selling some overpriced special device for everything she does...]), and recommend buying a lot of your cooking supplies at a hardware store. ($25 spice grinder for nutmeg? Or $2 wood rasp?....). This is NOT an "expensive technological gizmo" snob by any stretch of the imagination...

    3. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by derch · · Score: 1

      It's only been updated six times. Not bad for a cook book that's been around since 1931.

      Supposedly the 1997 revision introduced more ethnic cuisines to reflect their grow in popularity since the previous revision in 1975.

      La Technique by Jacque Pepin is a good book for basics.

    4. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by derch · · Score: 1

      It's only been updated six times. Not bad for a cook book that's been around since 1931.

      Supposedly the 1997 revision introduced more ethnic cuisines to reflect their grow in popularity since the previous revision in 1975.

      La Technique by Jacque Pepin is also good for basics.

    5. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by TooTallFourThinking · · Score: 1

      *laugh* That is awesome! The Anti-Martha-Stewart! Let's hope the two of them never meet!

    6. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by hyacinthus · · Score: 2

      Well, yes. What else is rhetoric for? Use it or lose it, I say.

      I'll let you in on my secret. Every couple of days, usually after work or during a break at work when I've been given a reason to hate the job more than usual (hearing the manager sitting in the room across from me say "We've got to leverage the existing technology base" three times in one conversation will do it, for example), I check out Slashdot. Most of what's on Slashdot interests me not at all, but occasionally I'll find a topic which touches a nerve. Then I take all that frustration at people who spew high-tech jargon and who value technology over tradition and information over wisdom, condense it into one choice drop of well-phrased vitriol, and submit it.

      It's not a great way to build Slashdot karma, but it's quite refreshing, almost like a tonic. I won't need a holiday this year.

      Cheers!

      hyacinthus.

    7. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by TooTallFourThinking · · Score: 1

      you use the forms of rhetoric that try to sway opinion based on emotions instead of facts. Those are easy to dismiss.

      do as you will, i was only offering a suggestion for making more effective arguments.

      =)

    8. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by howardholton · · Score: 1

      So tell me what is your definition of a Computer Nerd? I have been a NetWork engineer for 10+ years now and additionally I have owned and operated a restaraunt and am famous in my neighborhood for my cuisine. 6 months ago I catered a party that people still talk about. You may wish to remove your eyes from the glare of the screen and open them to the entire world that exists - the only thing better than a good PC chalange is satisfying the palates of 30 - 40 good friends from all walks of life and still hearing about it months later.

      --
      Everyone is Ignorant, just in different subjects.
    9. Re:Or, if you want a _real_ cookbook... by connorbd · · Score: 2

      Joy '97 is a good book, but it's a completely different book from the original. Ethan Becker, Irma Rombauer's grandson, is on the cover, but it was really a collaborative effort led by cookbook editor extraordinaire Maria Guarnaschelli. The end result is a must-have book in any serious cook's collection, but it ain't Joy, and only got to be that because Becker's name and expertise were attached.

      I would recommend it unreservedly to anybody, but it would not be a bad idea to keep an older edition around as well for antiquarian interest. /Brian

  63. What about Nigela by greymond · · Score: 1

    The Nigella chick from "Nigella Bites" (Show) and "How to be a Domestic Goddess" (Book)
    is a baddass in the kitchen - as well as being a really HOT english MILF - I would have her for dinner anytime. :)

    More on her show can be found here
    http://www.stylenetwork.com/Shows/Nigella/

  64. What Einstein Told His Cook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    'What Einstein Told His Cook: Kitchen Science Eplained' by Robert L. Wolke is another book in the same vein.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/039301183 6/ qid=1027094599/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-6531399-55438 39

  65. not true by mikeee · · Score: 2

    I suspect the cooking skills of slashdot readers are very bi-modal; mostly the folks you describe, but an increasing percentage of the older readers have decided cooking is a Technical Skill and geeked out on it.

    All bow down before my peanut-butter soup!

    1. Re:not true by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2
      Yes, cooking is a tech skill, and a survival one in case you get snowed in during the winter. But another facet of cooking is that it can be a gadget guy's dream, or nightmare if taken to extremes.... they make stupid little gadgets for damn near every possible kitchen task, and just like the classic garage guy who has every air tool made, or the tech geek who has 7 video cards for 3 PCs :) some people just have to have the melon-baller and the lemon-zester, whether they need it or not. Really... if you have two garlic presses, you have two too many.

      I like the show, too; Alton is roughly the food equivalent of Mr. Wizard.

      OBCooking: More and more, I find that the women I meet not only know nothing about cooking, they intend to meet a guy who will do it all for them! Talk about stereotype reversal....

      --
      I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
    2. Re:not true by boomer_rehfield · · Score: 1

      No, no my brother! You must make the trade off!! I have made my trade off... I cook, she does the dishes and laundry! Mind you, you better cook well if you plan on getting a two for one deal.... but I'll leave that up to you! ;>

      --
      Carpe Canem - Seize the Dog
    3. Re:not true by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1
      Really... if you have two garlic presses, you have two too many
      Damn straight. The flat side of a $60 Wusthof cleaver does the job just as well :-)

      Then again, my $10 marble mortar & pestle (which is which anyway) works also.

      As a (recovered) gearhead and a EE/computer geek, I have to watch my tool obsession. I love my 15" balloon whisk the same way I do my Mitutoyo digital dial gauge. Hell, I spent more time choosing my range than I did my last PC. Happy to say I was able to resist the Viking urge...
    4. Re:not true by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2

      Oh, I'm not objecting to the idea... hey, if Alton can be the guy of the house and cook, so can I. But I'm waiting for that 'better deal', wherein I cook and do the dishes, and she cleans the tubs and toilets and dusts and vacuums and... hmm. Do I need a girlfriend, or a maid? ;)

      --
      I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
    5. Re:not true by boomer_rehfield · · Score: 1

      maybe culinary school....

      ;>

      --
      Carpe Canem - Seize the Dog
  66. Favorite Recipes by TooTallFourThinking · · Score: 1

    I'm curious as to what some favorite recipes are from the Slashdot crowd. Let this be a little Kitchen Korner.

  67. Another Recommendation... by signal7 · · Score: 2, Informative


    Robert L Wolke's "What Einstein Told His Cook" - if you're into kitchen/cooking/food science.

    I wonder if it would be possible to get a /. interview with AB? :-) Now that would be interesting.

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  68. Mad Cook... by f00zbll · · Score: 1

    Alton is a Mad Cook, as in Mad scientist. For those who haven't watched him on Foodtv, it's worth a peek. He approaches things in a very geeky fashion. From building his own smoker to smoke salmon, to other fun projects.

  69. Autographed copy by slow_flight · · Score: 2

    I ordered an autographed copy of the book from foodtv.com, and was somewhat disappointed to find that the autograph was on a sticker pasted to the inside cover of the book. Kind of cheap-ish IMHO. On the plus side, I laugh out loud reading this book, and one has to admit that is pretty rare for a cookbook! Plus, it's hard to fault a guy whose recipes break all of the necessary items into the broad categories of Hardware and Software.

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    Karma: Professionally Doomed (mostly affected by inability to keep opinions to self)
  70. My $0.02 by Byteme · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looks like a great book. I am going to buy it today for a gift.

    For the DIY/Geek Chef that has not gone to culinary school, here are three must haves:

    The Professional Chef
    Gastronomique
    La Technique Culinaire

    Essentially, textbooks from most schools including the CIA.

    1. Re:My $0.02 by Byteme · · Score: 1

      How could I forget...

      Kitchen Confidential

  71. Be a hero, post Good Eats to Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great book, great show.

    C'mon, you guys, somebody's gotta have Good Eats encoded to SVCD. Post it to alt.binaries.multimedia and we'll all love you forever.

  72. This. Book. Kicks. Butt. by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2

    I grabbed it back in April when it first appeared at the nearest real bookstore...

    Like the review says, this book is entirely about COOKING ITSELF, not about recipes (though it does include several for illustrative purposes), which is something I like, since cooking seems to bo the one "artistic" talent I've got any noteworthy amount of.

    Also recommended - Shirley Corriher's "Cookwise" (she is, coincidentally, the "Food Scientist" that appears occasionally on Alton Brown's show - anybody know if the Nutritional Anthropologist that frequently appears on his show has written a book yet as well?), which is similar but is more focussed around "types of food" rather than "techniques of cooking" [she also has a section on eggs, as well as a section on breads and pastries, a section on meats, a section on sweets, etc.], and, of course, the Granddaddy of them all, Harold McGee's "On Food and Cooking" (VERY good food-science book...without a single recipe wasting space in it!) Compared to these, though, Alton Brown's book is probably the most "accessible" to the non-nerdly, non-culinary audience (while still being very informative). If you've seen his show [also highly recommended!] you're familiar with his 'informative in plain and entertaining language' style.

    With the sad situation where nearly the entire "Cooking" section of the bookstore is bloated with "lists of recipes - instructions even a robot can follow mindlessly" (BAH! RECIPES ARE FOR THE WEAK! :-) ), it always pleases me greatly to see a good book on "cooking theory and practice" like this one show up at the bookstore.

  73. Cooking and Operating Systems by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't fall into the lies, guys. Cooking can be as masculine as anything. Did I mention they make titanium cookware? Mmmmm.... titanium...

    I'm always a bit surprised when people consider cooking to be un-geeky. I think of the choice "to cook or not to cook" to have some parallels to what kind of operating system you run on your computer. Hear me out. We all gotta eat and we all gotta use a computer. A great many of us either run Windows exclusively or have a Windows partition on our machine. Why? Because it's useful sometimes. Windows is crap and we all know it but the convienence is hard to ignore. Much like fast food. Fast food may be tasty but no one is going to argue that it is well-constructed cuisine. Windows is the fast food of operating systems. It's not good but it's ubiquitous and does the job.

    Some people oppose eating at fast food restaurants on principle just like some people absolutely refuse to use Windows. However, there's no denying that going to a restaurant or heating up some frozen food in the microwave is a step above fast food. Similarly, some people like their Macs. You're still somewhat at the mercy of what's been created for you, but at least it's not fast-food/Windows.

    But for the real power-user who wants to fully understand what's "under the hood" and be free to tinker it to their heart's content, there's nothing like Linux/unix. Infinitely configurable, the performance of the finished product relies quite a bit on your ability and knowledge of what you're doing. Cooking is for the "power eater" who is not content to trust someone else and is willing to get their hands dirty in order to make sure the finished product is just how they like it.

    So don't think of cooking as "women's work." Think of it as the culinary equivalent of Linux/unix. The finished product is in your hands. If you're capable, you can create something just how you like it and your friends will be amazed. If you don't know what you're doing, then perhaps you'd better stick with Billy Gates' McOperatingSystem. It sucks but at least you won't die of food poisoning.

    GMD

    1. Re:Cooking and Operating Systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Titanium cookware is not what you would want to use in the home. Its advantage is that it can be made lightweight and strong. This is good for backpacking; however, for optimal cooking you want

      your cookware to have excellent thermal conductivity, high specific heat, and a fair amount of mass as well. In these areas titanium does very poorly indeed.

  74. "The Grammar of Cookery" by Philip Harben by Peter+Clary · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This sounds remarkably like "The Grammar of Cookery" by Philip Harben - an excellent primer to how cookery works. From memory (the book is at home and I'm not) it too devotes separate chapters to how different things react to different methods of cooking (e.g. in meat roasting it explains that meat juices are forced to the surface of the meat where they are dried off by a blast of hot air). The introduction also explains that it doesn't cover the new method of cooking by radio waves, which is as yet unproven!

    It's not on Amazon, although some of his other books are (more on .co.uk than .com) - listed as out of print.

    I'll look foward to getting a copy and seeing if cooking has changed in the last 35 years! ;-)

  75. Common Axis of Creativivity by lww · · Score: 1

    I firmly believe that some types of coding, cooking and music in their most brilliant, improvisational forms all share a common axis of creativity.

    My peers tell me I'm a darn good systems architect/developer, my friends and family tell me I'm a wondeful chef, and in school I was a pretty decent musician.

    I get asked all the time if I can recount a recipe or how I produced an architecture and while I can readily document and communicate about my work, often times people have trouble reproducing the same results that I do...not because I'm better at following recipes, but because I can successfully improvise when reacting to individual circumstances, events, requirements and conditions while maintaining a vision of what the end result needs to be.

    It's something about mastering demanding technical skills/domains and then creatively envisioning and producing results that have nothing to do with following recipes/blueprints etc, but like someone else posted earlier, the ability to apply well understood Design Patterns to produce uniquely tailored/crafted outcomes.

    I'm sure a shrink could weigh in with a more technical explanation...

  76. Good Eats, Good Man, So-so books by dasmegabyte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Alton Brown, Food Network's answer to "I wonder what would happen if we created a genetic crossbreed of Mr. Wizard, Joel Hodgson and Julia Childs," is one of the funniest and most educating men I've ever had the pleasure to learn cooking from.

    However, I find his books to be fairly frenetic in their design, though well written and paced. They're all over the place with Quark textboxes and asides and footnotes, like his MTV-cut cooking show, with tiny margins that remind me of the Principia Discordia more than a book about the science of food. The information presented (especially on the chemistry of foods) is invaluable, but I feel that the brokenness of it strains out a lot of the flavour of the information. Call me a perfectionist, but I prefer my recipes in perfectly structured orders with explanations of what constitutes a perfect rise or the consistancy of an ideal soufflee.

    For this reason, I prefer Alton's professor and nemesis of food artisans everywhere, Shirley Corriher. Her book "Cookwise: the hows and whys of successful cooking" has lead to more delicious meals, more perfect loaves, and more satisfied coos from a well fed wife then any book I've ever dealt with, Joy of Cooking included. It's "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" for aspiring chefs...elegantly written and full of more hints for cooking and living than the large print and simple illustrations would suggest.

    However, though I felt a bit let down from Alton's literary style, I still make a point to be at home by 9 every Wednesday for Alton's program. It's entertaining, interesting, and the wife totally thinks he's sexy -- an opinion from whose association I can occasionally gleam a modest amount of appreciation. I even purchased glasses like his.

    --
    Hey freaks: now you're ju
  77. Worth it if you are a tinkerer by lww · · Score: 1

    My wife and children are vegetarians - I can't/won't kick my seafood habit ;) - and I do all the cooking in the house. I also tivo Good Eats and watch every episode, even the meat based ones, because they generally have good learning experiences that can be applied to any ingredient.

    This isn't the first cooking book I would buy (that would be Deborah Madison's "Vegetarian Cooking for Everyone"). But it's definitely a great help in understanding how to create, well, Good Eats ;)

    Since it can be hard for some vegetarians to find good recipes that they like, especially when they may be craving comfort foods from their non-vegetarian childhood, it's can be nice to know how to tinker with food in creating vegetarian substitutes/approximates that can hit the right spot with your family/friends.

  78. Who says we don't cook???? by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2
    computer nerds don't _cook_.

    I am living proof that you are incorrect about this one...I've been computer nerding (~20 years now - I started with a Vic-20 ["Why, sonny, when I was YOUR age...."]) almost as long as I've been cooking (an additional 3-4 years, casually).

    Cooking is FUN, if it's done improvisationally. It is, as the reviewer implies, a lot like coding in its philosophy. At least, the way *I* code. ("Hmmm. I want to grab THIS off the net and do THAT to it. [Grab keyboard. Hackhackhackhackhack. Test. Run. Enjoy.]" "Hmmm. I'm hungry, I want something with beef. [Grab knife. Hackhackhackhackhack. Cook. Spice. Enjoy.])

    However, while I've not yet personally read it, "The Joy of Cooking" is, indeed, one of the classics and almost certainly worth looking over (we've got it in the house here...somewhere...)

    (Disclaimer - this is NOT to say that I don't also eat my share of Pesto-sauce pizza or Jack-in-the-Box from time to time...)

    1. Re:Who says we don't cook???? by futuresheep · · Score: 1
      "computer nerds don't _cook_."

      I was baking in 5th grade, geeking on a VIC20 by the 9th, and attended Culinary School instead of college where I got my geek fix by doing my work study in the computer lab. I've had careers since then in both fields, starting with restaraunts and catering, moving to desktop support and now administration. Many of the skills I learned in the culinary industry carry over very well into the tech industry.

      The similarities in the processes of catering a 1500 person event, and rolling out 500 workstations are greater than you may imagine.

      Geeks should make great chefs, we're inherently curious, and can approach things in both a logical and creative manner.

      Most of the great chefs I met, are on the inside, great geeks as well.

    2. Re:Who says we don't cook???? by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2
      I was baking in 5th grade, geeking on a VIC20 by the 9th[...]

      Hmmmm. Did Vic-20's have some sort of subliminal cooking message? Perhaps "cooking is fun" was appearing every 1/30th of a second where the "Press Play on Tape" message was and we never noticed....

    3. Re:Who says we don't cook???? by futuresheep · · Score: 1

      Any conspiracy that improves the palates of the world is OK with me!

    4. Re:Who says we don't cook???? by connorbd · · Score: 2

      I too had a VIC-20 (though I rarely used it). The manual actually included a small recipe organizer program as an example, so perhaps it wasn't so subliminal. /Brian

  79. Go to the source.... by tomdarch · · Score: 4, Informative
    If you watch Good Eats closely, you'll notice Alton reading a particular well-worn, dog eared book from time to time (usually while waiting for something to bake or rise) The book is:

    On Food and Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Cooking, Harold McGee, ISBN: 0684843285

    Which is a sort of encyclopedia of food and science. He also wrote:

    The Curious Cook: More Kitchen Science and Lore, ISBN: 0020098014

    Which is more 'science project' based. "How much oil can one yolk emulsify into mayonayse?" It turns out to be an absurdly large amount.

    If you have an analytical mind and care about being a better cook, Alton makes it entertaining and McGee delves in to the science.

  80. The bible of scientific cooking by Avumede · · Score: 1

    Everyone interested in the science of cooking should run out and buy On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee.

    He has the same scientific approach as Alton Brown, and this book covers an immense amount of material, from emulsions to the science of kneading dough, to historical recipes showing how the Aztecs really made hot chocolate.

    It's a must have.

  81. Evil Amazon has Cookwise & Just Here as a pack by wdavies · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hi,

    Amazon has a combined package on sale for $43.75, and free p&p if you push it over $50 with something else.

    Cookwise link - Double at bottom

    Just Here For the Food - Double at Bottom

  82. Science & Lore of the kitchen by mikewas · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'll certainly get Alton's book, and I'd never miss am episode of Good Eats, but ...

    If you like the science behind cooking, you must get a copy of "On Food and Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Kitchen" by Harold McGee. The book has a primer on chemistry in the back. In addition to the science of cooking (e.g. the biology of yeast, chemical changes to create alcohol, the physics of distilation) it gives you the history (when beer was discoverred, [ir]religous use of wine). A friend who is a CIA graduate had this book as a textbook in his science course.

    McGee also has other books in the same vein.

    If you're interested in actual cookery, though, reach for James Beard's books. His "Theory & Practice of Good Cooking" is arranged by types of cookery. There's a section on baking there're details of what baking is, followed by a highly detailed recipe for baked ham. After the initial detailed recipe he assumes you know what you're doing and provides you with less detailed recipes that show you the variety of food you can make with this technique (e.g. bread, ribs).

    Beard also has books titled "Beard on *". "Beard on Bread" and "Beard on Pasta" come to mind. These are a very similar format to T&P, but concentrate an a particular type of food.

    Good Eats!

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    "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." --Napoleon Bonaparte
  83. Another Great Book by futuresheep · · Score: 1
    Another great book along the same lines is Sauces, by James Peterson.

    The beginning is a primer on the history of saucemaking, and a guide to the tools, techniques, and science to great sauce making. I HIGHLY recommend this to anyone with at least a passing interest in cooking great food.

  84. If you like Alton Brown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might also like Rick Bayless' show "Mexico - One Plate at a Time" on PBS (Saturday @ 3:30 (at least in NC)).

    Like Alton, Rick also explains the why's of food. There is not a measurement or time given in his show, but there are great combinations and "ingredient interactions" discussed.

  85. Legal Warning! by fm6 · · Score: 2

    When you post a recipe like that, you really should include a disclaimer about toxic byproducts, etc. Don't want to be billed for superfund cleanups!

    1. Re:Legal Warning! by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      There aren't any toxic byproducts from making chocolate chip cookies.

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    2. Re:Legal Warning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the guys who clean my septic tank.

  86. next up by circusboy · · Score: 1

    If you like AB's show, but sometimes it doesn't go far enough into the actual science, let me recommend (if no one else has,) Harold McGee's "On Food and Cooking," as the single greatest source of how food works. While not as pleasantly silly as AB, and definitely coming under the heading of a "Tome" it's still a great read...

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    -- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
  87. For interested Canadians by tb3 · · Score: 2

    The show is also on the Canadian FoodTV cable channel. Here's a link to show times. Food TV has a strange broadcast schedule, so it's worth checking the website to see when things are on.

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  88. Scientific Cooking... by dargaud · · Score: 1
    There's a molecular biologist named Hervé This who writes a monthly column about scientific cooking in the french edition of Scientific American. He explains everything, like what is a mayonaise, why do you need to knead bread, how to invent new cooking methods...

    He has several books out that I'd recommand to any french-speaking cooking geek: Casseroles et éprouvettes, Traité élémentaire de cuisine, Les Secrets de la casserole...

    Some of his recipes are online; at least try the chocolate mayonnaise.

    And for those of you who want a big classic list of recipes, I have 10000 of them in a big Windows Help file (5Mb), still all in french. He, at least that's one thing this language is good for!

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  89. Find a South/Asian grocery store by mekkab · · Score: 2

    Easy- go to an indian/asian grocery store. We have tons in the MD/VA/DC area. Heck, you can get Garam Masala by the bag, if you please (laxmi brand comes to mind)(I prefer to get the leaves/pods/seeds, then crush them myself in my coffee grinder).
    You can usually ask for help in those small shops and they're very nice (that's how I learned about using fish paste to make fish cakes for singapore style curry noodles.)

    Yes it is an expensive outlay in the beginning, but if you dig food and the way it tastes, you will never go to a restaurant again (unless you want samosas or naan. Those are a pain to make on yr own)

    I tried calling my contact in Cali (whose spices I inherited) but I guess he's not up yet, so I can't give you any stores yet.

    P.S.- Trader Joes Chicken pot sticker gyoza are the BOMB!!! 3 on plate, 1:20 on high, and you got some cheap bangin' eats!

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  90. Alton Brown in Toronto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For you Canadians out there, Mr. Brown will be coming to Toronto sometime in October. I beleive he'll be appearing at The Cook Book Store.

    1. Re:Alton Brown in Toronto by Phantom_24 · · Score: 1

      I'm there !!!

      Man even my kid loves his show (junior geek in training)!!!

      So looks like a little father/son trip from Buffalo !!

      Ordering my copy this weekend !!

  91. My favourite episode - Scrap Iron Chef by why-is-it · · Score: 2

    I bought the book when I saw it a few months ago. It's great. Like everyone else has said, it is a book about cooking, not a recipe book. It's totally worth having in your library.

    His show is great. It's funny and educational and that is a rare combination. The best episode I have seen to date is "Scrap-Iron Chef" in which he parodies Junkyard Wars (aka Scrap Heap Challenge) *and* Iron Chef. It was great. Alton and the other chef had to scrouge up stuff cooking materials from a junkyard to make dishes that best reflected the ingredient of the day. In true Iron Chef fashion, the panel raved about his food, complained about the scrap iron chef's food, and Alton (the challenger) lost...

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  92. Re:Recipe by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2


    5. 177.45 cm3 crystalline C12H22O11
    6. 177.45 cm3 unrefined C12H22O11

    This is insufficiently precise. Which Disaccharide should I use?
    I don't have any sucrose, guess I'll try lactose. Maltose might also work....

  93. Other good books for the cooking geek by lushmore · · Score: 1
  94. WOO by KajiCo · · Score: 1

    ALTON ROX

  95. Cook-Wise by debianlinux · · Score: 1

    This sounds just like a book I've had for years written by a chemist called, Cook-Wise, written by Shirley Corriher. Old news.

  96. Can we have a cooking topic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After reading these posts, it looks like we could come up with some inventive ways of cooking things.

  97. Saw this book in Costco and was impressed... by SamTheButcher · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...because it wasn't your average thousand-recipe cookbook. What caught my eye upon browsing through was the color diagram of how/why fried foods lose their batter/coating, and the science of it. And until I read the review, I guess I never thought of cooking as hacking, but that's pretty much what it is.

    And, now that I think of it, I was thinking about it last night, why recipies aren't copyright-ed/able. I mean, we see companies and people filing for patents on "ways" doing things, connecting to information via links, etc. What makes a recipe any less of a creation? Not that I want that to happen by any stretch of the imagination, but just the opposite. We've all got the same tools and brains to deduce solutions, etc. Why, just because someone thought of a way of doing something first does that mean that they own that way of doing it? Build a better mousetrap! Don't copyright the "idea" of a mousetrap!!

    Anyway, it looks like a cool book. I might have to get it now. Sorry for the tangent....

  98. Good Eats on DVD... by MsGeek · · Score: 2

    ...and they still haven't put any Iron Chef episodes out on DVD yet. (IC USA doesn't count, dammit!) The Food Network. Can't live with 'em, can't live without them.

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  99. Try a Scuba Tank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many years ago, before marriage and kids, I used to take Advanced Dive classes up to Lake Tahoe for high altitude diving intro's. While at the campsite we used to speed up the fire with a little compressed air from the handy dandy tank we happen to have close by. Works great, but don't stand on the other side. Cough, cough...

  100. If youre into food and food discussion by perlow · · Score: 1

    You should check out eGullet.com. Its sort of a Slashdot, but for food freaks. Its a free site and currently there is no advertising.

    We frequesntly get food celebs like Tony Bourdain participating, as well as others who use pseudonyms.

    We have boards about regional restaurants, wine, cooking, food news, and our user base is very international.

  101. Love Alton Brown, but... by sclatter · · Score: 2

    He lost major brownie points with me over one point in this book.

    On page twelve, there are some definitions. "Degrees", "BTU", and "calorie". The definition for calorie is correctly given as the amount of energy needed to increase the heat of 1 cc of water 1 degree celsius. But *then* he continues by saying that a 378 calorie candy bar would raise 13.3356 oz of water 2 degrees Fahrenheit.

    Anybody spot the problem?

    Food isn't measured calories, it's measured in Calories. One Calorie is a thousand calories. So most candy bars would weigh in around 378 Calories, enough to heat quite a bit more water than he suggests.

    Sarah

  102. Great Book by kmhebert · · Score: 1

    While I prefer the Iron Chefs, Alton Brown's "Good Eats" is a close second in my Food Network watching. The book is fantastic, especially for someone who doesn't know much about cooking but is pretty smart and can follow directions well. Each chapter describes a method of cooking -- boiling, frying, etc, and shows the science behind it as well. That's what sets this book apart from your everyday off the shelf cookbook. It beats eating rocks.

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  103. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an ad. The user that posted this message makes money of anyone buys anything though either of the URLS.

  104. grammar? by naoursla · · Score: 2
    You know you've read something good when the author includes a mini-disclaimer to the effect of "if you try this at home kids, I and the publisher are not responsible."

    You also know you've read bad grammar.

  105. The Tricked Out Weber by DavisNet · · Score: 1

    Considering this audience, and my own desire to try to build my own... Has anyone that has the book yet tried to modify their Weber kettle grill as he describes in the grilling chapter of the book.

    For those who haven't read, he has attached a chimney and a hair-dryer to the bottom air intake of a standard Weber Kettle grill, the result is a BBQ Blast furnace for use in ultra high temp cooking... I love stir-fry, and I have a beat up old grill, I'm looking for a weekend project, why shouldn't I?

    Considering the geek and hardware hacks that ./ has produced, I figure this was bound to be done by some one here...

  106. Breast Milk by ObiWann · · Score: 1
    I went to his book signing in Los Angeles last month. He's just as witty in person as he is on TV.

    When asked what was the strangest thing he ever made, he replied "Butter, from my wife's breast milk"

    Also, there will be no SPAM episode, as I asked him about it :-(

  107. This guy turned me into a cook. by blair1q · · Score: 2

    I watched his show on making biscuits, realized it's easier than coding, and now that it's hard to find work coding, I cook and watch cooking shows.

    But seriously, fans of Alton Brown will want to read the sourcebook that Alton must consult twelve times for every show:

    McGee, Harold On Food and Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Kitchen, Simon & Schuster Fireside, 1984

    A random selection of chapters and subsections:

    Egg Foams
    Slaughter, Aging, and Storage
    The Four Basic Food Molecules
    The Nature of Digestion
    Browning Reactions and Flavor
    Nutritional Fads in the United States


    He's got the botanical defintion of the difference between fruit and vegetable; why fish meat is totally different from land-animal meat; electron micrographs of various kinds of candy, yeast, gluten, and the development of cheddar cheese, among others; tables of changes in the many tissues of meat at different temperatures, etc. There are few recipes but lots of chemistry diagrams, and an appendix on Atoms, Molecules, and Energy for those who need an easy leg up. It's less a how-to-cook book than a how-cooking-works book.

    It's more scientific and contains enough material for about ten seasons of Good Eats. Which is okay, because my TiVo isn't even close to being retired.

    --Blair

  108. More Books by 4mn0t1337 · · Score: 1

    The reviewer mentioned _Cookwise: The Hows and Whys of Successful Cooking_ but failed to mention that a lot of Alton's show is from Shirley O. Corriher's book. It is a fantastic text that is more of a chemistry lab book than a cooking book. (I would rather be taught why something works than just presented with a generic formula.)

    But also, Harold McGee's books need mentioning here. Try _On Food and Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Kitchen_. He has much better depth, and is probably the expert on things like breads.

    And of course any geek worth his (coarse kosher) salt would have read _The Physiology of Taste_ by Brillat-Savarin.

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  109. gadgetitis by connorbd · · Score: 2

    That's the thing about Alton Brown: while I personally like garlic presses (no quicker way to make spaghetti aglio e olio), I understand his hatred of gadgetitis. Me, I bought myself a Wusthof knife a month or so ago; it's the nicest piece of kitchen equipment I own. And I'm still looking for a sashimi knife and trying to convince myself none-too-successfully that there is no way in hell I will ever make enough sushi to justify buying a ceramic knife.

    It is fun multitasking things that weren't meant for it, though; paella pans, for example. I've used mine as a roasting pan, omelette pan (big mistake), and a majorly oversized wok with varying degrees of success. /Brian

  110. Re: The Backyard Foundry by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 2

    Why is this posted as Science?

    Yeah, I agree. Instead of posting it in science, it should be in Slashdot's lesser-trafficked "Amateur Metallurgy" section.

    Back to the grill, he's removed one of the plates on the side of his grill and fitted it with a piece of tailpipe. Then, when he's grilling, he sticks a hair dryer in the tailpipe and uses it to whip the coals into an inferno.

    I think that's pretty close to the definition of a "blast furnace", and I've melted iron with similar techniques. I'd be surprised if his barbecue doesn't... sag.

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  111. Burbank Toast - Finally, A Recipe For Geeks by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 2

    I remember the days, back in college. Surviving on Mountain Dew and Jolt. Microwaveable.

    I used to work in the TV industry as a technician. And, on one really long show - I think it was a telethon - one of the older techs took me aside and showed me Burbank Toast.

    Burbank Toast is kinda like French Toast, but it's faster and easier to make, and has a lot more kick to it. It's so-named because it originated among technicians in Burbank's film and TV studios; it's therefore authentic California cuisine.

    One warning: it's *very* good, but when you come down, you'll swear off eating it ever again. And then you'll find yourself making it when you next need excess energy.

    Burbank Toast (Serves 2-3 hungry broadcast technicians)

    • Loaf of Wonder Bread, white.
    • One pound of butter.
    • Artificial maple syrup of your choice.
    1. Butter both sides of each slice of bread.
    2. Pre-heat frying pan. Lubricate well with butter.
    3. Fry butter-coated bread slices until golden, or to taste.
    4. Stack as with pancakes, alternating Aunt Jemima or similar artificial syrup with slices of butter fried Wonder Bread.
    5. Serve while still hot.
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