I have a cell phone with a 1-800 support number that gets redirected to it after hours. Apparently, a popular 1-800 number for MS support is just a digit away, or something, because I get tons of calls from people looking for MS tech support.
No one's going to notice flicker from a bulb running at 20kHz. The 120Hz versions, sure.
I've replaced ALL of the bulbs in my house with CFLs of various types. I'm using 26W GE Daylight bulbs in my living room, because they emit almost a pure white light, which makes a great ambient light for reading and watching TV. I've definitely noticed less eye strain watching a marathon of TV with these latest bulbs compared to the 100W incandescent bulbs they replaced.
How about, you're driving down the highway, past a couple patrol cars on the side of the road. The patrol cars are watching traffic, looking for a vehicle matching the description in an AMBER alert.
You're obviously speeding, and one of the officers clocks you. You get pulled over, and get a ticket.
Eh? We have plenty of choices for phone service, including two different carrier technologies (GSM vs. CDMA).
Phones are cheap and plentiful. GSM phones with SIM cards tend to move around quite easily between different companies. CDMA phones do not have SIM cards, so they are usually locked to the CDMA carrier (but can usually be unlocked or just activated on another CDMA carrier).
I've personally only owned CDMA phones, and have never had problem buying a used phone off of eBay to use with Verizon. I've also used a couple different GSM based phones and services through work, and definitely prefer CDMA over GSM in every respect. Why people put up with GSM is beyond me.
I also don't really understand the big deal about the differences between cell phone service inside and outside the US... "world" phones are available through all major carriers if frequent traveling is an issue.
Oh, wah. We're not overpopulated, not by a long shot. Growth of the population is a good thing, especially since most "western" countries are actually facing a declining population (birth rates are too low). The only reason the US has a growing population is because of immigration. Go look up birth rate statistics for countries in Europe and North America.
I'm completely for better models, and paying our scientists well. The FUD campaign to scare money into research is a very bad way to do business, IMHO, because it can backfire badly.
I have a Windows XP Pro OEM CD from an older Dell system that will accept almost all of the OEM keys we have at work. It's the cat's meow, not having to worry about finding the original CDs for a PC when it decides to grenade a drive or eat its registry for lunch.
After installation, I'm prompted to activate Windows. The first attempt fails, and prompts for the number off of the COA. Just punch in the number from the sticker on the system, and click on the retry button. Presto!
Yeah, it's a bitch because it's only an SP1 install of XP. I don't care much, I run a WSUS system on the local network, so I let it sit overnight doing updates.
The iPhone is not a PDA, it's an iPod with a phone and contact list integrated into it. There are no business applications, and until I see an ssh client and can test how well it works with that icky looking touch keyboard, it's just a toy to me.
I really hope the iPhone ends up with the applications it needs to take on business users as well as consumers with money to burn. Right now it really doesn't make me want to give up my Treo, let alone switch to a crappy cellular service provider.
Oh, well then. Maybe we should all just off ourselves and do the world a favor?
Or, we can do what we can to conserve and reduce our impact, and get some real fucking data to make decisions about how to go about existing on the planet.
Show me a model that can be fed data from 20 years ago, or whatever reasonable time frame you like, and have that model spit out current climate conditions. If we can get to that point, I'd believe what the models predict for future events. Until then, we either have poor/incomplete models, or poor/incomplete data sets.
We are seeing unprecedented changes in certain atmospheric conditions. On a general level, we see a correlation between historical changes and climate. Right now we are far outside the bounds on those historical atmospheric conditions.
No, we are witnessing unprecedented changes in atmospheric conditions compared to previously recorded conditions. The planet has had a hell of a lot of changes to its climate over tens of thousands of years, this is fact.
The "global warming agenda" is to build better models...or...what? What is it you aren't a fan of?
I'm definitely a fan of better models. Spreading FUD for political/research gains is the wrong way to go about getting those models. It's just plain ignorant.
But the data would suggest that the "transition" is from a "pre-industrial" atmosphere to a "post-industrial" atmosphere...with a climate that could very well change radically to adapt....even to point of making said climate very inhospitable to the major cause of that quick change...the species responsible for the change.
That's a complete load of crap. We don't have enough data to make any conclusions regarding our impact on a planetary scale, and if it's even a negative impact. Wait another 200 years, with improved data collection capabilities and a much better sample of data, and then maybe we'll have a better idea. Even then, it's still not enough for truely long term predictions.
There is very little argument about what is happening (hotter) or why (us)....well...very little argument in the professional circles...once you get to the layman level..the argument become fierce.
There's plenty of argument amoung people with half a brain who don't have to fight for funding to keep food on the table.
I've had plenty of conversations with scientists in the field of atmospheric research (used to work with about 30 of them), and I can tell you that nothing is for certian at this point in time. There isn't enough data for anything but guesses at this point.
Or move to a place where the cost of living isn't so outrageous.
I am the sole provider for my family, and I live 65 miles from where I work. Yeah, that commute sure sucks some days, but it beats the hell out of a mortgage that's five times what I currently have.
If I lived close to work, my wife and I would both have to work full-time just to afford the house, let alone put food on the table.
The point is, my wife and I decided that she would be a stay-at-home mom long before we started having kids. People are too freakin' selfish and irreponsible these days. I almost think there should be a license to have children.
Exactly. There are plenty of gasoline and diesel powered vehicles out there that have very good fuel economy, which makes getting a hybrid all the more unattractive (the difference in price).
I have an '88 Civic that gets over 35mpg. It's pushing 300,000 miles. I have an '89 Prelude that gets around 30mpg, and it has 164,000 miles. I didn't pay squat for either vehicles (bought in poor condition and did my own repairs), they're almost 20 years old, and still get pretty decent fuel economy. Plus I have a fairly low environmental impact, as I have not purchased a new car (manufacturing costs and emissions, etc).
It doesn't have to be 100% accurate, which I never claimed was a requirement. --vs-- Is the ice melting faster than predicted with a model that's 100% accurate?
That would seem to be a "requirement", at least in my reading.
You really need to brush up on your English, unless it is your second (or third, or fourth, etc) language.
Different contexts. The question was to highlight the fact that we cannot model anything that even remotely resembles a climate for a planet. The second is true, I never demanded that a model be 100% accurate. I'm not stupid, I know we'll never reach 100%, but the closer we get, the better.
Models that underpredict change are just worthless. It's not a model if it doesn't represent reality. Right now we have simulations of how we think the climate works. Gotta get closer to reality in the models or simulations, which is what I've been saying all along.
The best anyone can do with the current models is figure out where they're wrong, which probably will lead to another dataset no one thought of before, and/or higher resolution of current datasets. This is a good thing, because we are a very long way off to knowing how this planet ticks when it comes to the climate.
While I agree that having better models would be useful, there is indeed (to use your phrase) "cause for alarm". While drastic change is not yet, IMHO, warranted, it's certainly not too early to start doing something, and well past the time to say, "I'm not going to believe anything is happening until the models are perfect."
So, we are in agreement with my original thoughts in my first post regarding better models are needed.
I stated in my original post that I do conserve, and encourage others to do the same. So, we're in agreement on that issue as well.
I think you nailed it with your example... I also have a Treo, and can fully operate the device with the hand it is in. There is no way to do this with the iPhone using the multitouch "features".
The iPhone has a slick interface, and that's it. It has in no way improved upon the features currently found in the true smartphone market segment. This might change with the introduction of different applications, but until then it is just an expensive toy for consumers with an excessive amount of disposable income.
Nope. It's melting faster than the imperfect model used to predict the future. It is melting 100% as fast as the 100% perfect model says it will. Unfortunately, that "model" only works in real time, and despite being terribly accurate, doesn't tell us what's going to happen next.
Uh, duh? Exactly what I was trying to get across, thank you.
The models are too far off to make any type of prediction. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate, which I never claimed was a requirement. It just has to be good enough, and the current models are anything but that.
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What if I have an open access point, and no wireless devices of my own to use it?
Go spank your monkey in front of your Mac, and post about it in a Mac forum.
Or get a non-locked phone. The carrier only screws with phones they subsidize.
I'm with you 100%. Ugh... Unions need to go away, and people need to grow a backbone. Stand up for yourself, or find another job.
Ah, son of a BITCH!
I have a cell phone with a 1-800 support number that gets redirected to it after hours. Apparently, a popular 1-800 number for MS support is just a digit away, or something, because I get tons of calls from people looking for MS tech support.
*whimper*
I'll never sleep again!
Buy high quality CFLs for your art room.
No one's going to notice flicker from a bulb running at 20kHz. The 120Hz versions, sure.
I've replaced ALL of the bulbs in my house with CFLs of various types. I'm using 26W GE Daylight bulbs in my living room, because they emit almost a pure white light, which makes a great ambient light for reading and watching TV. I've definitely noticed less eye strain watching a marathon of TV with these latest bulbs compared to the 100W incandescent bulbs they replaced.
How about, you're driving down the highway, past a couple patrol cars on the side of the road. The patrol cars are watching traffic, looking for a vehicle matching the description in an AMBER alert.
You're obviously speeding, and one of the officers clocks you. You get pulled over, and get a ticket.
Eh? We have plenty of choices for phone service, including two different carrier technologies (GSM vs. CDMA).
Phones are cheap and plentiful. GSM phones with SIM cards tend to move around quite easily between different companies. CDMA phones do not have SIM cards, so they are usually locked to the CDMA carrier (but can usually be unlocked or just activated on another CDMA carrier).
I've personally only owned CDMA phones, and have never had problem buying a used phone off of eBay to use with Verizon. I've also used a couple different GSM based phones and services through work, and definitely prefer CDMA over GSM in every respect. Why people put up with GSM is beyond me.
I also don't really understand the big deal about the differences between cell phone service inside and outside the US... "world" phones are available through all major carriers if frequent traveling is an issue.
How about looking at some real numbers instead of a pretty flash animation that may or may not be correct?
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http://news.mongabay.com/2005/0502-rhett_butler.h
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_bir_rat-peo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/LUC/Papers/gkh1/c
I'm not too worried about having a large family right now.
No kidding. I almost did the same thing, then figured I'd wait for the next version to see if it would be worth it.
Good thing I waited!
This conversation was about climate change. Ice ages are climate change.
Talk about a sweet series that had a lot of potential!
Oh, wah. We're not overpopulated, not by a long shot. Growth of the population is a good thing, especially since most "western" countries are actually facing a declining population (birth rates are too low). The only reason the US has a growing population is because of immigration. Go look up birth rate statistics for countries in Europe and North America.
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/2 4/2352218
:-)
You're not out of the woods on this one yet.
I'm completely for better models, and paying our scientists well. The FUD campaign to scare money into research is a very bad way to do business, IMHO, because it can backfire badly.
:-)
Yes, thanks for the civil discussion as well.
I have a Windows XP Pro OEM CD from an older Dell system that will accept almost all of the OEM keys we have at work. It's the cat's meow, not having to worry about finding the original CDs for a PC when it decides to grenade a drive or eat its registry for lunch.
After installation, I'm prompted to activate Windows. The first attempt fails, and prompts for the number off of the COA. Just punch in the number from the sticker on the system, and click on the retry button. Presto!
Yeah, it's a bitch because it's only an SP1 install of XP. I don't care much, I run a WSUS system on the local network, so I let it sit overnight doing updates.
Long time Palm user, current Treo 700p owner.
The iPhone is not a PDA, it's an iPod with a phone and contact list integrated into it. There are no business applications, and until I see an ssh client and can test how well it works with that icky looking touch keyboard, it's just a toy to me.
I really hope the iPhone ends up with the applications it needs to take on business users as well as consumers with money to burn. Right now it really doesn't make me want to give up my Treo, let alone switch to a crappy cellular service provider.
Oh, well then. Maybe we should all just off ourselves and do the world a favor?
Or, we can do what we can to conserve and reduce our impact, and get some real fucking data to make decisions about how to go about existing on the planet.
Show me a model that can be fed data from 20 years ago, or whatever reasonable time frame you like, and have that model spit out current climate conditions. If we can get to that point, I'd believe what the models predict for future events. Until then, we either have poor/incomplete models, or poor/incomplete data sets.
No, we are witnessing unprecedented changes in atmospheric conditions compared to previously recorded conditions. The planet has had a hell of a lot of changes to its climate over tens of thousands of years, this is fact.
I'm definitely a fan of better models. Spreading FUD for political/research gains is the wrong way to go about getting those models. It's just plain ignorant.
That's a complete load of crap. We don't have enough data to make any conclusions regarding our impact on a planetary scale, and if it's even a negative impact. Wait another 200 years, with improved data collection capabilities and a much better sample of data, and then maybe we'll have a better idea. Even then, it's still not enough for truely long term predictions.
There's plenty of argument amoung people with half a brain who don't have to fight for funding to keep food on the table.
I've had plenty of conversations with scientists in the field of atmospheric research (used to work with about 30 of them), and I can tell you that nothing is for certian at this point in time. There isn't enough data for anything but guesses at this point.
Or move to a place where the cost of living isn't so outrageous.
I am the sole provider for my family, and I live 65 miles from where I work. Yeah, that commute sure sucks some days, but it beats the hell out of a mortgage that's five times what I currently have.
If I lived close to work, my wife and I would both have to work full-time just to afford the house, let alone put food on the table.
The point is, my wife and I decided that she would be a stay-at-home mom long before we started having kids. People are too freakin' selfish and irreponsible these days. I almost think there should be a license to have children.
Exactly. There are plenty of gasoline and diesel powered vehicles out there that have very good fuel economy, which makes getting a hybrid all the more unattractive (the difference in price).
I have an '88 Civic that gets over 35mpg. It's pushing 300,000 miles. I have an '89 Prelude that gets around 30mpg, and it has 164,000 miles. I didn't pay squat for either vehicles (bought in poor condition and did my own repairs), they're almost 20 years old, and still get pretty decent fuel economy. Plus I have a fairly low environmental impact, as I have not purchased a new car (manufacturing costs and emissions, etc).
You really need to brush up on your English, unless it is your second (or third, or fourth, etc) language.
Different contexts. The question was to highlight the fact that we cannot model anything that even remotely resembles a climate for a planet. The second is true, I never demanded that a model be 100% accurate. I'm not stupid, I know we'll never reach 100%, but the closer we get, the better.
Models that underpredict change are just worthless. It's not a model if it doesn't represent reality. Right now we have simulations of how we think the climate works. Gotta get closer to reality in the models or simulations, which is what I've been saying all along.
The best anyone can do with the current models is figure out where they're wrong, which probably will lead to another dataset no one thought of before, and/or higher resolution of current datasets. This is a good thing, because we are a very long way off to knowing how this planet ticks when it comes to the climate.
So, we are in agreement with my original thoughts in my first post regarding better models are needed.
I stated in my original post that I do conserve, and encourage others to do the same. So, we're in agreement on that issue as well.
What's your beef?
I think you nailed it with your example... I also have a Treo, and can fully operate the device with the hand it is in. There is no way to do this with the iPhone using the multitouch "features".
The iPhone has a slick interface, and that's it. It has in no way improved upon the features currently found in the true smartphone market segment. This might change with the introduction of different applications, but until then it is just an expensive toy for consumers with an excessive amount of disposable income.
Uh, duh? Exactly what I was trying to get across, thank you.
The models are too far off to make any type of prediction. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate, which I never claimed was a requirement. It just has to be good enough, and the current models are anything but that.
Here, executive summary for you: FIX THE MODELS.
Did you understand that?