Unlike some projects, we fully disclose bugs that might be relevant to security.
Thank you. As a security guy, knowing that the disinfectant of sunlight is illuminating your project, I am willing to spend more time examining and using your project. I hope your project becomes the default libc everywhere.
Please consider that a revolution is not fine tuning but instead lots of babies as well as the bath water.
Keep in mind that I am not the one advocating revolution. I am aware of how bad it will be. I have seen war up close and personal.
In general terms it is still the state from back then.
No. No it is not. Back then, they knew what an authoritarian government would do if it had certain powers. The current government has taken those powers on despite the words in the Constitution. The surveillance state is here with parallel construction to legitimize the data they gather. It will only get worse from here. There is no way to legally and peacefully reign in agencies that effectively have no oversight. No senator can touch them. No president can change them. They have blackmail data on everyone and if that is insufficient, they have the tools and the knowledge of who to "remove". Game over.
So there's two parties now - that doesn't change that you still get to vote does it?
What good is voting when the people we vote for effectively have no control over what was created? What good is voting when all of the candidates are already owned completely? I have been voting for close to 40 years and it has made zero difference.
I am not advocating revolution. I am saying that I see it as an inevitable outcome no less than Thomas Jefferson did over 200 years ago. When it will happen is the hot button question.
On other hand, this could actually be used positively. If someone is sentenced to thirty years, but they only had to spend 10 real years (but 30 with time dilation drug) - then they come out into a society that isn't all that changed, comparatively, and easier for them to readjust back into, having served their time.
In countries where you can receive over a thousand years in real verdicts, this may not be such a good idea. It will not be torture just like waterboarding is not torture. If this technology is created, it WILL be used.
Do you really think you will get something better and what is wrong with George Washington's ideas in the first place that another revolution is required to replace them?
Except we are not living in George Washington's ideas any more. I suspect the revolution being proposed is to actually get back to Mr Washington's and Mr. Jefferson's (and others) ideas.
People who know what they are doing are dangerous. They are perceived as a threat; either to the status quo or a direct threat to the organization itself.
I work in security (networks) and I have raised more than a few eyebrows while discussing potential weaknesses and revealing that I know that the threat is more than theoretical by discussing details of how the weakness could be exploited. It terrifies some people that I have actually done "red" team work. And then they go back to arguing with me and telling me I am wrong about the weakness... and I just shake my head.
It is weird to be working around all of these credentialed and certified people and watching them stumbling around in the dark, trying to control things that they do not understand. Yes, I have went ahead and "earned" the same credentials and certifications but I only did it because they were required to keep my job. It seems most people get those credentials and certifications to get the job. They studied and failed because the do not understand. They kept taking the exams until they finally passed once. I walked in without studying for any of the exams and passed all of them because I actually understood the subject matter.
Wandering here and I am unsure why. Sorry. Have a nice day.
And US propaganda is different how exactly? Because you think the US Government is on the same team as you perhaps?
None of this is propaganda. Russia could launch a devastating nuclear strike on America. America can do the same to Russia. No propaganda at all, merely a counter point.
That is a horrible and seriously criminal attitude. You're arguing that if others don't give you something you need, it's fine to just murder them (your words, not mine). Unprovoked violence is never justified; whatever your problems might be, you have to solve them peacefully (unless you get attacked first). This kind of Robin Hood-style violence does not belong in a civilized, developed society.
This (your) response is perfectly expected and accepted in a civilized society. Once the civility is removed from the society (all the resources), you should expect "the law of the jungle" to be the natural state.
Ultimately, we are all animals no less than a wolf or a tuna fish. Our uniqueness allows us to create structures above and beyond what the other animals can. The base of these structures is the ability to more easily fulfill our will to eat and live. Once it becomes as difficult to eat and live within the structure as it is outside of the structure, you will see people either tear down and rebuild the structure or just ignore the structure entirely.
Your ideas of right and wrong, peace and attack, criminality, etc. come from the rules associated with that structure. Without those structures, there is nothing wrong with me killing you, raping your wife, enslaving your children that are useful and killing those that are not.
It is in your (and my) best interest to keep society civilized and fair. Some people seem to think that is not the case and that is why we are having this conversation at all.
Normally I like to not try and blame the people for the actions of their leadership, but frankly I've lost all faith in the ability for the majority of the Russian populace to engage in any kind of rational thinking at this point. They are part the problem.
Hm. All these leaders. All these countries with populations that allow those leaders. I sense a pattern here... almost as if certain groups are using scientifically sound principles to manipulate other groups.
But yeah, it is all those dumb Americans who elected Bush for 2 terms. Oh wait, we were talking about Putin and Russia. Dumb Russians.
Yourself and Concerned Onlooker seem to be under the impression that we want the program to continue, but with volunteers. That is not the case. We want to do wheelies and drill into random rocks because it is fun. Why should you or anyone else care that it will destroy the rover? It will die immediately upon being defunded anyways. What good is a perfectly working rover going to be if there is nobody to control it? It is better to let people play with it.
There is not only no money to be saved by handing operations over to "the community," there is also the probability that if you did the rover would be ruined within a few days.
I think your viewpoint is a bit skewed here. The rover will "die" immediately upon being defunded. If "the internet" can have fun with it for a few days and then it dies, who cares?
In other words, the suggestion is not to continue doing "worthy" science with it. The suggestion is to let people "play" with it. If good science arises, then fine. If not, nothing more was lost regardless.
This is the only time my son has "accidentally" spent money, and no matter where you want to lay the blame, consider this: if my wife had an iPhone, this wouldn't have happened.
Whoah there buddy. On an iPhone, you have a 15 minute window rather than a 30 minute window of opportunity. I am not so sure it would not have happened there too. I _just_ read in another comment that the latest update to IOS allows you to disable even the 15 minute thing but I have not actually seen that feature myself yet.
To be honest, I am disturbed. My iPad has had all of its communications cut off for 2 months or more now and yet it *still* knew there was an update. It creeps me out too much to use it.
The point is that after they have entered their password, the child has 30 minutes of unfettered purchasing power and there is NO warning of this at all.
Yeah. I prefer iTunes since it is twice as secure. It is set to to only 15 minutes with NO warning of this at all.
Only the ever-trolling slashdot community could turn Google releasing and dog-fooding an open source project into a bad thing.
Jesus fucking H. Christ. What the fuck dude? Yes, there are fucking trolls on Slashdot. OOOOO. That is big news. But wait, that is NOT what you said, you said the entire fucking community is against what Google has done.
Fuck off with your generalizations and your bad attitude. Jackass.
You are NOT going to hear the difference over he road noise and attention distractions breaking your focus.
Hm. I disagree. It is true that you will not be aware of the entire range of audio, but there still will be a noticeable difference. For example, the cymbals will likely have a different quality.
In other words, you may not be appreciating the full range of audio while driving, but the portions you are able to pay attention to will still be affected by the overall quality.
Heh. I am unsure why your comment triggered this memory, but here it is:
My wife was worried that she did not have enough gas to get to the gas station. Her car went 300 miles on a tank of gas and she had driven 260 miles from a full tank. I told her that the gas station was 7 miles away and to figure out if she could make it to the gas station without running out of gas.
Needless to say, she could not figure it out. I was flabbergasted. It was the most basic math in the world. I stopped to think about it for a second and decided to ask the same question but framed differently: If you saw a pair of shoes that normally sold for $300 and instead, they were on sale for only $260, how much money did you save?
No sooner than the last syllable was leaving my mouth, she immediately answered $40. I then asked her if 7 was more than 40 and she replied no... so i asked her again: if she could drive 300 miles on a tank of gas and she had driven 260 miles, would she make it to the gas station that was 7 miles away without running out of gas. She had no idea.
All I could do was sigh. She could obviously do arithmetic but she obviously could not apply it generally.
That would be because, duh, what "Guccifier" was so obviously wrong that there is nothing to discuss about it. What do you expect to talk about? The types of legal repercussions that we should expect for him? Various methods of gangland retribution? I do not really understand what you expect here.
No. The only thing to discuss is what the victim did to make herself an easy target. There are many avenues of discussion available with that: reused passwords, mailed passwords, etc.
There's a difference between somebody who takes a list of passwords and abuses it and somebody who finds security issues and reports them responsibly.
But you are wrong. The first person is a malicious hacker and the second person is a security researcher who may or may not be hacking.
A hacker is someone who uses unorthodox methods and ingenuity to perform some act. There is no good or evil associated with it. At some point in time, the word came to represent (to the masses) just the evil side of unorthodox and ingenious acts.
The thing is, there is the general public definition of hacker (ie a criminal)
The problem is that non-malicious term of hacker came (evolved?) first, is still a useful term, and many of the people still alive used the non-malicious version first. It is not our fault that the ignorant masses outnumber us.
Slashdot Mirror
Unlike some projects, we fully disclose bugs that might be relevant to security.
Thank you. As a security guy, knowing that the disinfectant of sunlight is illuminating your project, I am willing to spend more time examining and using your project. I hope your project becomes the default libc everywhere.
Use this pill on Friday night and make the weekend seem like it last for 5 years instead of 20 minutes.
Maybe I could give it to my spouse before sex.
I dunno. 5 years of "is it in yet?" sounds more like torture. But then again, it IS marriage. ;)
And hence they hate you for pointing out their stupidity.
*sigh*
Please consider that a revolution is not fine tuning but instead lots of babies as well as the bath water.
Keep in mind that I am not the one advocating revolution. I am aware of how bad it will be. I have seen war up close and personal.
In general terms it is still the state from back then.
No. No it is not. Back then, they knew what an authoritarian government would do if it had certain powers. The current government has taken those powers on despite the words in the Constitution. The surveillance state is here with parallel construction to legitimize the data they gather. It will only get worse from here. There is no way to legally and peacefully reign in agencies that effectively have no oversight. No senator can touch them. No president can change them. They have blackmail data on everyone and if that is insufficient, they have the tools and the knowledge of who to "remove". Game over.
So there's two parties now - that doesn't change that you still get to vote does it?
What good is voting when the people we vote for effectively have no control over what was created? What good is voting when all of the candidates are already owned completely? I have been voting for close to 40 years and it has made zero difference.
I am not advocating revolution. I am saying that I see it as an inevitable outcome no less than Thomas Jefferson did over 200 years ago. When it will happen is the hot button question.
On other hand, this could actually be used positively. If someone is sentenced to thirty years, but they only had to spend 10 real years (but 30 with time dilation drug) - then they come out into a society that isn't all that changed, comparatively, and easier for them to readjust back into, having served their time.
In countries where you can receive over a thousand years in real verdicts, this may not be such a good idea. It will not be torture just like waterboarding is not torture. If this technology is created, it WILL be used.
How I read your last sentence: It's a consequence of moving to a world with more pervasive MONITORING.
Ugh. I had to read it again to get rid of the word my brain was sticking into your sentence.
Do you really think you will get something better and what is wrong with George Washington's ideas in the first place that another revolution is required to replace them?
Except we are not living in George Washington's ideas any more. I suspect the revolution being proposed is to actually get back to Mr Washington's and Mr. Jefferson's (and others) ideas.
Moo
People who know what they are doing are dangerous. They are perceived as a threat; either to the status quo or a direct threat to the organization itself.
I work in security (networks) and I have raised more than a few eyebrows while discussing potential weaknesses and revealing that I know that the threat is more than theoretical by discussing details of how the weakness could be exploited. It terrifies some people that I have actually done "red" team work. And then they go back to arguing with me and telling me I am wrong about the weakness... and I just shake my head.
It is weird to be working around all of these credentialed and certified people and watching them stumbling around in the dark, trying to control things that they do not understand. Yes, I have went ahead and "earned" the same credentials and certifications but I only did it because they were required to keep my job. It seems most people get those credentials and certifications to get the job. They studied and failed because the do not understand. They kept taking the exams until they finally passed once. I walked in without studying for any of the exams and passed all of them because I actually understood the subject matter.
Wandering here and I am unsure why. Sorry. Have a nice day.
ROFLMAO. God I hope they implement this. Good one kind sir. :)
And US propaganda is different how exactly? Because you think the US Government is on the same team as you perhaps?
None of this is propaganda. Russia could launch a devastating nuclear strike on America. America can do the same to Russia. No propaganda at all, merely a counter point.
LOL. And to think some people block Anonymous Coward. They will miss this. Very funny. :)
That is a horrible and seriously criminal attitude. You're arguing that if others don't give you something you need, it's fine to just murder them (your words, not mine). Unprovoked violence is never justified; whatever your problems might be, you have to solve them peacefully (unless you get attacked first). This kind of Robin Hood-style violence does not belong in a civilized, developed society.
This (your) response is perfectly expected and accepted in a civilized society. Once the civility is removed from the society (all the resources), you should expect "the law of the jungle" to be the natural state.
Ultimately, we are all animals no less than a wolf or a tuna fish. Our uniqueness allows us to create structures above and beyond what the other animals can. The base of these structures is the ability to more easily fulfill our will to eat and live. Once it becomes as difficult to eat and live within the structure as it is outside of the structure, you will see people either tear down and rebuild the structure or just ignore the structure entirely.
Your ideas of right and wrong, peace and attack, criminality, etc. come from the rules associated with that structure. Without those structures, there is nothing wrong with me killing you, raping your wife, enslaving your children that are useful and killing those that are not.
It is in your (and my) best interest to keep society civilized and fair. Some people seem to think that is not the case and that is why we are having this conversation at all.
Thank you. Those were all great examples. Grrrrr to the developers who told themselves those lies.
Normally I like to not try and blame the people for the actions of their leadership, but frankly I've lost all faith in the ability for the majority of the Russian populace to engage in any kind of rational thinking at this point. They are part the problem.
Hm. All these leaders. All these countries with populations that allow those leaders. I sense a pattern here... almost as if certain groups are using scientifically sound principles to manipulate other groups.
But yeah, it is all those dumb Americans who elected Bush for 2 terms. Oh wait, we were talking about Putin and Russia. Dumb Russians.
Yourself and Concerned Onlooker seem to be under the impression that we want the program to continue, but with volunteers. That is not the case. We want to do wheelies and drill into random rocks because it is fun. Why should you or anyone else care that it will destroy the rover? It will die immediately upon being defunded anyways. What good is a perfectly working rover going to be if there is nobody to control it? It is better to let people play with it.
There is not only no money to be saved by handing operations over to "the community," there is also the probability that if you did the rover would be ruined within a few days.
I think your viewpoint is a bit skewed here. The rover will "die" immediately upon being defunded. If "the internet" can have fun with it for a few days and then it dies, who cares?
In other words, the suggestion is not to continue doing "worthy" science with it. The suggestion is to let people "play" with it. If good science arises, then fine. If not, nothing more was lost regardless.
This is the only time my son has "accidentally" spent money, and no matter where you want to lay the blame, consider this: if my wife had an iPhone, this wouldn't have happened.
Whoah there buddy. On an iPhone, you have a 15 minute window rather than a 30 minute window of opportunity. I am not so sure it would not have happened there too. I _just_ read in another comment that the latest update to IOS allows you to disable even the 15 minute thing but I have not actually seen that feature myself yet.
To be honest, I am disturbed. My iPad has had all of its communications cut off for 2 months or more now and yet it *still* knew there was an update. It creeps me out too much to use it.
The point is that after they have entered their password, the child has 30 minutes of unfettered purchasing power and there is NO warning of this at all.
Yeah. I prefer iTunes since it is twice as secure. It is set to to only 15 minutes with NO warning of this at all.
Only the ever-trolling slashdot community could turn Google releasing and dog-fooding an open source project into a bad thing.
Jesus fucking H. Christ. What the fuck dude? Yes, there are fucking trolls on Slashdot. OOOOO. That is big news. But wait, that is NOT what you said, you said the entire fucking community is against what Google has done.
Fuck off with your generalizations and your bad attitude. Jackass.
You are NOT going to hear the difference over he road noise and attention distractions breaking your focus.
Hm. I disagree. It is true that you will not be aware of the entire range of audio, but there still will be a noticeable difference. For example, the cymbals will likely have a different quality.
In other words, you may not be appreciating the full range of audio while driving, but the portions you are able to pay attention to will still be affected by the overall quality.
+1 for peaking my curiosity.
Honestly trying to help you hear*
Peaking your curiosity is spelled like piquing your curiosity. Spelled different but pronounced the same which is why the * appears above. :)
Heh. I am unsure why your comment triggered this memory, but here it is:
My wife was worried that she did not have enough gas to get to the gas station. Her car went 300 miles on a tank of gas and she had driven 260 miles from a full tank. I told her that the gas station was 7 miles away and to figure out if she could make it to the gas station without running out of gas.
Needless to say, she could not figure it out. I was flabbergasted. It was the most basic math in the world. I stopped to think about it for a second and decided to ask the same question but framed differently: If you saw a pair of shoes that normally sold for $300 and instead, they were on sale for only $260, how much money did you save?
No sooner than the last syllable was leaving my mouth, she immediately answered $40. I then asked her if 7 was more than 40 and she replied no... so i asked her again: if she could drive 300 miles on a tank of gas and she had driven 260 miles, would she make it to the gas station that was 7 miles away without running out of gas. She had no idea.
All I could do was sigh. She could obviously do arithmetic but she obviously could not apply it generally.
That would be because, duh, what "Guccifier" was so obviously wrong that there is nothing to discuss about it. What do you expect to talk about? The types of legal repercussions that we should expect for him? Various methods of gangland retribution? I do not really understand what you expect here.
No. The only thing to discuss is what the victim did to make herself an easy target. There are many avenues of discussion available with that: reused passwords, mailed passwords, etc.
There's a difference between somebody who takes a list of passwords and abuses it and somebody who finds security issues and reports them responsibly.
But you are wrong. The first person is a malicious hacker and the second person is a security researcher who may or may not be hacking.
A hacker is someone who uses unorthodox methods and ingenuity to perform some act. There is no good or evil associated with it. At some point in time, the word came to represent (to the masses) just the evil side of unorthodox and ingenious acts.
The thing is, there is the general public definition of hacker (ie a criminal)
The problem is that non-malicious term of hacker came (evolved?) first, is still a useful term, and many of the people still alive used the non-malicious version first. It is not our fault that the ignorant masses outnumber us.