I disagree. Java is a programming language. The JVM is a processor layer between the code and the cpu.
To use that example, Windows would not be code because you can run it under vmware.
Yes I noticed the MP4 right after I posted it. Totally irrelevant point there...
Data is not software. Software is a set of instructions executed by a processor to perform a given function.
Data is input provided to that software which it then acts upon.
MPx's don't execute. They don't run on their own. They are simply data to be interpreted by itunes, or media player, or winamp, etc....
A jpeg is not software. It is just a binary file. Same thing.
Music is not software. You can't take a patent that protects software and say oh well it applies to music as well. Their patent is spelled out in plain english which is easy to see according to the company. Yes it plainly applies to software....
Well greetings from anoter Novell guy:) Are you perhaps an NCCI? (For everyone else, that's not a technical designation)
Novell just open sourced some edir code in order to encourage development with it.
I'm that if we use the crackberries long enough that evolution will mutate our opposable thumbs into something capable of dealing with it...
Who knows, by then maybe RIM will have finally reached a settlement in it's lawsuits against it in court.
Yes, electrical is the easiest part of it.. The HVAC is where it gets harder. Water as well. Like I said in another reply, one spinning floor at the top is not too bad, but with each floor spinning independantly, that's a real challenge. I'd love to see a write up on how they did it.
yes but they then have to get out to the part that does. Having a single pipe isn't that hard but you have a lot of systems that you have to have independant on each floor. It's not just a spinning floor at the top.
That's actually a problem we are running into as a Groupwise shop. We're looking at implimenting a CRM solution and there are a few that only tie in directly to Outlook. There are those that will integrate directly to GW, but if for some reason we decided on one that was Outlook only, we'd be forced into a migration.
I can't think of anything major offhand that really ties into e-mail directly other than CRM. Lots of applications may send an e-mail out, but that is almost always done via SMTP. CRM as far as I know, is about the only thing that really requires a higher level of integration.
What the CRM companies have to bear in mind is that if they keep up the "Outlook only" policy, eventually Microsoft's own crm will evolve enough to replace some of those people. Since they are already an outlook shop, it will be an easy argument for Microsoft to make, that being, that their own CRM is going to tie into their own e-mail application far better than a third party vendors.
Ok I'm gonna ask... Such as what? I've admin'd a gw system from 4.x all the way up to 6.5 for as long as it's been called Groupwise, but I'm not thinking of anything "significant" that GW has that outlook doesn't?
The comment I consistently get from Users who have used both, is that GW (6.5) is more intuitive as far as getting around than Outlook is..
The one significant thing that comes to mind with GW is that you can run it's back end on Netware, Windows or Linux, whereas exchange is windows only, but this isn't something Joe Enduser is going to care about.
What else are you thinking of that I'm missing? I can always use an extra selling point when someone says "Why don't we run exchange like everyone else?"
My CEO asked me that question in a board meeting in the form of... "Well not to sound sarcastic, but are you telling me that we are smarter than the other 95% of the world that is running exchange?"
My response was "Yes". I also pointed out that there are a large amount of people who also run Lotus Notes and not exchange.
We've never had a virus propogate through our system nor have we ever had a day of downtime due to one, but I can't think of a client of ours that runs exchange that can say the same thing.
The problem you run into as a GW admin is that Microsoft markets to the CEO's and CEO's then issue a directive to IT departments to migrate to Exchange because they got sold.
That's still a hard sell however given the cost of Blackberry Enterprise Server:) I think I'll stick with my Treo 600. I find the push to talk beeping that Nextels and Blackberries offer irritating because people feel they have to carry on an entire conversation on speaker phone:)
Groupwise has the technical merits but I think Novell picked up the OS/2 marketing team which was formerly the Commodore marketing team....
I agree 100% But you will always get those that say "Well outlook can do this and GW can't" to which I respond, and how many people actually use that feature... and the answer is most often, not many.
I admin a GW 6.5 system and I'm happy with it.
Novell Groupwise does the 98% of the features that people actually use of Outlook and does them without the security issues. It also scales better, the message stores are better and last time I checked, webaccess was better:)
What is scary is the US social security system. If you as a private individual was to do something like this, you would go to Jail. It's like a ponzi scheme:) The last people into the system get screwed.
The problem here as I see it however is that government gets blasted for anything that might reduce coverage. For example, if President Bush pushed this agenda, he would immediately be chastised for coming up with a plan that allows companies to eliminate health care because it would provide lower quality service to those who could least afford it. Those that follow the US press will know what I am talking about here. They will be on this like a pack of rabid dogs on meat.
HEADLINE: Bush cuts health care for the poor!
You can just see it.
Now, if a Democrat proposes the same exact plan.
HEADLINE: President passes landmark legislation to provide health care coverage for all citizens. Human rights groups laud new bill as a great step forward for humanity.:)
Ok I have to stop there before this turns into a political debate, which is not my intention.
Sorry, we were talking about the US in regards to Universal Health Care coverage or lack thereof, which is where I was referring to when I said "this country".
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Mapquest had arial photos for a long time that zoomed in farther than what google offers. I haven't seen them on their site in a while however.
Why not? They sabotaged NDS for NT way back so it wouldn't work..
One could argue about windows being real code anyway ;)
For the same reason that your boss gets to criticize your performance but not the other way around :)
I disagree. Java is a programming language. The JVM is a processor layer between the code and the cpu. To use that example, Windows would not be code because you can run it under vmware.
Yes I noticed the MP4 right after I posted it. Totally irrelevant point there... Data is not software. Software is a set of instructions executed by a processor to perform a given function. Data is input provided to that software which it then acts upon. MPx's don't execute. They don't run on their own. They are simply data to be interpreted by itunes, or media player, or winamp, etc.... A jpeg is not software. It is just a binary file. Same thing.
Music is not software. You can't take a patent that protects software and say oh well it applies to music as well. Their patent is spelled out in plain english which is easy to see according to the company. Yes it plainly applies to software....
MP3's are not software. Apple is not protecting software from unauthorized use, they are protecting music from being played.
Well greetings from anoter Novell guy :) Are you perhaps an NCCI? (For everyone else, that's not a technical designation)
Novell just open sourced some edir code in order to encourage development with it.
DOH! That should have read "I'm sure that....." One missing word :)
Treo 600 baby....
I'm that if we use the crackberries long enough that evolution will mutate our opposable thumbs into something capable of dealing with it... Who knows, by then maybe RIM will have finally reached a settlement in it's lawsuits against it in court.
Hmmm... That would be a little bit odd. I don't think it's much more work to make them go continuous.
Yes, electrical is the easiest part of it.. The HVAC is where it gets harder. Water as well. Like I said in another reply, one spinning floor at the top is not too bad, but with each floor spinning independantly, that's a real challenge. I'd love to see a write up on how they did it.
yes but they then have to get out to the part that does. Having a single pipe isn't that hard but you have a lot of systems that you have to have independant on each floor. It's not just a spinning floor at the top.
How do they handle the air, water, and electrical I wonder? That has to be a bit of engineering in itself.
Hello PRIOR ART... :) Microsoft was late to XML like it was late to the internet. I mean how many versions has Word Perfect had XML support for now?
That's actually a problem we are running into as a Groupwise shop. We're looking at implimenting a CRM solution and there are a few that only tie in directly to Outlook. There are those that will integrate directly to GW, but if for some reason we decided on one that was Outlook only, we'd be forced into a migration. I can't think of anything major offhand that really ties into e-mail directly other than CRM. Lots of applications may send an e-mail out, but that is almost always done via SMTP. CRM as far as I know, is about the only thing that really requires a higher level of integration. What the CRM companies have to bear in mind is that if they keep up the "Outlook only" policy, eventually Microsoft's own crm will evolve enough to replace some of those people. Since they are already an outlook shop, it will be an easy argument for Microsoft to make, that being, that their own CRM is going to tie into their own e-mail application far better than a third party vendors.
Ok I'm gonna ask... Such as what? I've admin'd a gw system from 4.x all the way up to 6.5 for as long as it's been called Groupwise, but I'm not thinking of anything "significant" that GW has that outlook doesn't? The comment I consistently get from Users who have used both, is that GW (6.5) is more intuitive as far as getting around than Outlook is.. The one significant thing that comes to mind with GW is that you can run it's back end on Netware, Windows or Linux, whereas exchange is windows only, but this isn't something Joe Enduser is going to care about. What else are you thinking of that I'm missing? I can always use an extra selling point when someone says "Why don't we run exchange like everyone else?" My CEO asked me that question in a board meeting in the form of... "Well not to sound sarcastic, but are you telling me that we are smarter than the other 95% of the world that is running exchange?" My response was "Yes". I also pointed out that there are a large amount of people who also run Lotus Notes and not exchange. We've never had a virus propogate through our system nor have we ever had a day of downtime due to one, but I can't think of a client of ours that runs exchange that can say the same thing. The problem you run into as a GW admin is that Microsoft markets to the CEO's and CEO's then issue a directive to IT departments to migrate to Exchange because they got sold.
That's still a hard sell however given the cost of Blackberry Enterprise Server :) I think I'll stick with my Treo 600. I find the push to talk beeping that Nextels and Blackberries offer irritating because people feel they have to carry on an entire conversation on speaker phone :)
Groupwise has the technical merits but I think Novell picked up the OS/2 marketing team which was formerly the Commodore marketing team....
I agree 100% But you will always get those that say "Well outlook can do this and GW can't" to which I respond, and how many people actually use that feature... and the answer is most often, not many. I admin a GW 6.5 system and I'm happy with it.
Novell Groupwise does the 98% of the features that people actually use of Outlook and does them without the security issues. It also scales better, the message stores are better and last time I checked, webaccess was better :)
What is scary is the US social security system. If you as a private individual was to do something like this, you would go to Jail. It's like a ponzi scheme :) The last people into the system get screwed.
The problem here as I see it however is that government gets blasted for anything that might reduce coverage. For example, if President Bush pushed this agenda, he would immediately be chastised for coming up with a plan that allows companies to eliminate health care because it would provide lower quality service to those who could least afford it. Those that follow the US press will know what I am talking about here. They will be on this like a pack of rabid dogs on meat. HEADLINE: Bush cuts health care for the poor! You can just see it. Now, if a Democrat proposes the same exact plan. HEADLINE: President passes landmark legislation to provide health care coverage for all citizens. Human rights groups laud new bill as a great step forward for humanity. :)
Ok I have to stop there before this turns into a political debate, which is not my intention.
Sorry, we were talking about the US in regards to Universal Health Care coverage or lack thereof, which is where I was referring to when I said "this country".