A.) There is more than one nuclear plant in the world, and most o them get rained on at one time or another. B.) Nuclear plants check constantly for even the lowest levels of radiation. C.) Japan does not have magic special super clouds.
If this theory were true we'd have heard about it years and years ago he first time there was a big thunderstorm at a Nuclear plant.
There are fairly simple fibre optic connectors these days. putting one in fairly frequently on the line could solve the connection problem.
the wet dry interface can be solved by running the cable up the the stack to the roof.
Mainline sewer pipes naturally develop a soft water resistant bacterial coating inside them that actually ensures the contents do not actually touch the pipes it's part of th reason that ceramic pipes can be used. Presumably the cable would lay on the bottom of the pipe were the coating is thickest. One assumes it would embed itself in the material and be safe from both the attachment issue and the snag issue.
It is very rare for a house to have a main sewer line of over about 6 inches. My understanding is they tow the cables with small robots. Also a house would not necessarily need to go up a toilet stack, as long as they have a pipe for sinks and what not. The cable probably doesn't even go into the house directly, but instead exits the house via the stack opening on the roof and then comes down again. Much more sanitary.
>>The earthquakes associated with the process are tiny, and probably have nothing to do with tectonic plates. The idea of getting a volcano seems a bit farfetched, and anyhow volcanoes don't put out much CO2 at all. I think you may be thinking of SO2.
Nope, CO2. It was from one of those science documentary shows. I don't have numbers or dates for you, it was late night TV Feel free to google it up though. It was famous enough they were doing documentaries about it after all.
IIRC There was a lake inside a volcano top that would collect CO2 bubbles in it like Soda. Something would stir it and it would release a whole bunch at once. The cloud could drift down the mountain and suffocate a small town. what made it so dangerous was no one could see it or smell it. People just started dropping. I think they wound up putting sensors near the lake or something. I'll admit I did bring up the volcano stuff mainly so I could make the chili dog crack though. I kind of liked it.
>> Again, citation needed. Can you point me to research indicating that Minnesota (or heck, any state) is actually wind saturated? As in, something that specifically states they are already extracting a significant percent of all the wind energy that is economically harvestable?
Xcel energy (the power company offering the wind generated power plans) has extensive data. You might also contact any of the local farm energy co-ops. I think I got my original data from channel 5. You could call them too maybe. It's kind of a local issue because not all the farmers have fields that will support wind farms so it creates some significant economic inequalities. They go over it on the news occasionally.
>>I suspect that the primary reason for the low figures is a lack of people willing to put up the extra couple of cents per kilowatt hour needed to get more projects up and running.
Xcel When last I looked sells out all it's available wind power energy at the aforementioned premium price. I suppose I could look up the exact premium. It's on my bill, but you could just as easily get it from their web site I suspect.
>>I suppose there might also be a lack of landowners willing to host windmills.
Probably very few. Windmills make money. Pretty good money actually, and it's getting better all the time with increased energy costs. Farms are businesses. It's basically a no brainer.
>> there is enough wind available to power our current needs five times over, without dipping into lower quality sites (read, offshore, or areas with less than 15mph average windspeed). And I really doubt there are many places you could put a turbine where it wouldn't pay back the original energy investment (outside downtown Baghdad).
I trust the farmers on this one. It's their butts that are on the line in both directions. There are quite a few though who would like to put up turbines but can't justify it. Again, evening news.
>> offshore sites have...
KEWL! Float some rigs out there and run those puppies up! The supports will probably make good fish habitat too.
One factor extends exponentially and the other extends linearly. That means for your next 15% you're going to build a whale of a lot more towers, then a whale of a lot more after that. Assuming your trend even holds up. which I personally doubt. A gigantic steel tower in a multi ton concrete base is still a gigantic steel tower in a multi ton concrete base. And steel and concrete are getting more expensive not cheaper.
"Any type of mining/drilling activity can trigger quakes by lubricating a fault line." Then maybe they shouldn't be drilling them there. Which was my point if you recall.
There is no free lunch. There is no totally clean coal, Conversely, there is also no totally clean wind and geothermal, or at least not nearly as much of it as we'd like. Perhaps we'll get lucky, and someone will invent a cost effective reliable robust solar cell they can cover deserts with or something. I'm not going to bet my life on it. But continuing to test a device proven to be capable of causing damage and possible life safety threats in the location it is set (in a major city no less) Not because the research is not being done, but because they want to get kudos for doing it first, strikes me as every bit as irresponsible as the fools at Exxon who insisted on single wall tankers for economy and covered various parts of the ocean with crude oil.
Is geothermal better than oil? In the short run oh yeah. We already know that fossil fuel will wreck the biosphere. In the long run, who knows? Nobody knew about the carbon dioxide issues till they were already affecting things.
[quote] . So the basic story that graph is trying to tell is this: while geothermal may be limited to geological anomalies at the moment, the improvements in geothermal technology we expect to see over the next few decades will make it economical in vastly larger areas, to the point that we could choose to use it to serve as our primary source of power. [/qutoe]
Yes.. except for the, you know, Earthquakes. The whole "oops we seemed to have accidentally moved a techtonic plate" thing actually worries me more than the CO2 thing atm. And hey, if they also manage to get a volcano out of it you can have your CO2 as well. I doubt it will happen but even a small CO2 belch from an active site has been known to wipe out small towns. Drill into the bowels of the earth and you may just find that chili dog with extra peppers from lunch. We do not know what this technology can do yet. There seem to be a few indications that it may be no better for the environment than oil. I'd like to be wrong, but there it is.
[quote] there might or might not be enough good wind sites across the Minnesotan landscape to fulfill their energy demands. [/quote] There aren't. Wind energy is a big industry all along the northern border. Agribusiness has taken to wind production enthusiastically, but because of this, most of the viable locations are already in use. There isn't a great deal more power to be had, at least not the 3000% increase that you are talking about. You can put up a mast in less and less efficient locations, but eventually you will come to a point where the mast cannot recoup the energy it took to make the thing in the first place.
I didn't say it wasn't viable. I said it is of limited utility. I was replying in particular to the projected potential of the system. Current non-dry rock systems are only usable in particular geological situations which are not particularly common. Dry rock systems it seems, can cause earthquakes.
Wind energy production is NOT economically viable throughout entire the united states.
In order to generate enough power to get your money back out of a multi million dollar wind turbine you need to be in a "wind corridor". The entire United States is not a wind corridor. There are several good ones but they are not everywhere. Power can be transferred anywhere but it can not be generated everywhere, and the amount that can be generated is limited by availability and environmental issues such as noise pollution (the things are LOUD)and proximity to bird habitats (think giant blender). Minnesota for example is in a "wind corridor" and has ample wind generation equipment. It is still generating only around 3% of it's needs this way even though the local electrical utility has increased the payable price for wind generated electricity by allowing their customers to opt to pay more for wind generated power.
Wind is great but I don't think we're ever going to b able to run a majority of our country off of it.
iirc the problem is location. Much like wind energy there are relatively few places where geothermal energy is actually a viable possibility.
The still experimental deep drilling thing seems to me to be trying to address that, but I'm not sure it's an advantage. Deliberately weakening the earth's crust is an environmental side effect people!! EARTHQUAKES!!! GAH!!! I don't think I want volcanoes in the mid west thank-you-oh-so-very-much.
It's kind of a lame quote quote in fact. it neither expresses elegantly nor with any special insight. It's not a quotable quote it's a news quote, a really old one. the entirety of the announcement has all the earmarks of someone who has gotten way too close to the subject and has lost their perspective on what is actually good.
If you want to talk astroturfing iirc, this "random" test was comprised almost entirely of HP machines. There are a lot of other people making those things these days as well. I am willing to question the study itself purely on that basis. It has a bad odor.
"great Linus quote"?! It's handy to know about I suppose and I'm not denigrating the man's work, but dude... If you get your face any farther up his butt cheeks you're going to it belly button.
It's a computer program not a religion, or at least it's supposed to be.
everything reads NTFS and if you have Parallels you can install a windows partition and write to it as well.
If you want full read/write on everything, the only I know of that has drivers for all three systems besides fat32 is ext2 . The mac one is hard to get at and is a bit primitive, but it is in the kernel.
mmmm.... We're back to investors again. I think I have yet to meet a major investor who is a Democrat. This seems extremely unlikely to me. We are approaching the tail end of an 8 year republican administration. If it were true these people would have to go after almost every civil servant in the government.
Your reply however seems to state that you know in particular who is pushing this suit. Could you name them please we are all curious.
Why after spending what was likely loads of time locking down the thing because they didn't want anyone messing with it would they suddenly change their minds because someone took a crowbar to the thing?
I think from their point of view it's a bit like the roaches expecting you to lay out some cheese platters and stop spraying since they managed to get into your house anyway.
I'm thinking they're going to see a fumigation tent a lot sooner than a bucket of veggie dip.
I'm in agreement. If ask implements this and it works as described it is going to become my new desktop accessory. Right now you can do the job with www.scroogle.com, but it has some small disadvantages.
At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist here, why are they doing this?
Lawsuits are soul sucking, time consuming, and really really expensive. I could see how some legal body or activist group may be interested for idealistic reasons, but investors?
If they are putting the big dollars in they will be wanting the big dollars out again. That's what investors do. The question is why and how. What has either this law or woman woman done or not done to engender this kind of hostility?
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*argh editing error. Is there anyway to remove that last paragraph? it's just a duplication*
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I have to say I disagree with the writer's conclusion here.
Nintendo is "oriented" in the same direction all companies are orientated: making the bucks. To do that they have to have a product people prefer over that of the competition, and right now they've got one.
Nintendo discovered itself with a game player capable of things other players could not previously do. If you take away the new control interfaces however the Wii has very little on the playstation 2 let alone the playstation 3.
Nintendo may realize that they have to capitalize on these advantages, and are attempting to do so. XBOX and Playstation six axis game controllers are already in development. The Wii could lose it's spec ial charms at any time. What they have at the moment is the opportunity to get a jump on the competition with new interface formats and new game styles. We may be seeing a frantic research project on the part of Nintendo to find a way to get a lock on the "new thing" while they still have exclusive access.
A surf or skateboard game would seem to be very preferable over a yoga game, but they don't have to make one. They just have to get the board into the marketplace before microsoft. I'm sure the yoga game was a lot quicker to write. Where they make the money is not by making a semi-popular game with a controller that is probably a wash profit wise. They make it when "Tony Hawke" comes out for their patented controller and everyone's got to buy a Wii so they can play it.
It wouldn't surprise me if the company comes out with yet more weird controllers. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks, because if something does they have it all to themselves.
I'm sure the yoga game was a lot quicker to write. It wouldn't surprise me if the company comes out with yet more weird controllers. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks, because if something does they have it all to themselves.
I think I read somewhere once that bucky balls were environmentally hazardous because they are hard to contain, don't break down, and tend to do things like get lodged in blood vessels and insect spiracles.
If so painting your house with this stuff would not be a good thing.
Is this correct at all? And if so, how significant is this danger?
..and if this person or persons happen to be, say a 12 year old semi-literate war refugee in Sub-Saharan Africa, He'd probably be willing to do a whole day of it for a bowl of soup and a big shiney nickel, or even just for a semi-serious promise not to beat him again that evening...
Things get real economical real fast if you think globally and happen to be evil.
In a point of irony I would like to mention that the capcha for this slashdot comment was "disturbs"
Just for clarity, You do realize you are supporting the above reply not refuting it.
This is a common issue in art in general. Given a sufficiently large body of work, it is almost impossible to completely disguise one's inner and even subconscious feelings about a subject. There's even a whole field called art therapy based on this.
The comic book Cerebus is a prime example, which unintentionally documents the writers inner feelings about an acrimonious divorce. (it got real ugly too, The comic book writing community eventually stood up as one and complained)
As observed By his writings Heinlein was an ultra right wing authoritarian and exhibited some sociopathic tendencies.
The whole wanting-to-boop-his-mom thing is so Freudian it's hard to even comment on. These days the field of Psychology in general defends itself by pointing out that Freud did amazing amounts of Coke.
What if the company in question responds by offering emergency services agencies low bids on their phone systems. Remember they're the government, they have to take the low bid. Then all they have to do is wait for someone to be unable to call the fire department and watch T-Mobile get eaten alive by the lawsuit(s).
Regardless of political overtones the mere fact that the data has been found means that it will rapidly be changed or stripped out. One more update to playfair, big deal.
The only statement about relative sales I could find show the palm os version outselling it's windows based sibling pretty soundly even though the palm version was significantly older and had fewer features.
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the reason it is crud,
A.) There is more than one nuclear plant in the world, and most o them get rained on at one time or another.
B.) Nuclear plants check constantly for even the lowest levels of radiation.
C.) Japan does not have magic special super clouds.
If this theory were true we'd have heard about it years and years ago he first time there was a big thunderstorm at a Nuclear plant.
There are fairly simple fibre optic connectors these days. putting one in fairly frequently on the line could solve the connection problem.
the wet dry interface can be solved by running the cable up the the stack to the roof.
Mainline sewer pipes naturally develop a soft water resistant bacterial coating inside them that actually ensures the contents do not actually touch the pipes it's part of th reason that ceramic pipes can be used. Presumably the cable would lay on the bottom of the pipe were the coating is thickest. One assumes it would embed itself in the material and be safe from both the attachment issue and the snag issue.
It is very rare for a house to have a main sewer line of over about 6 inches. My understanding is they tow the cables with small robots.
Also a house would not necessarily need to go up a toilet stack, as long as they have a pipe for sinks and what not. The cable probably doesn't even go into the house directly, but instead exits the house via the stack opening on the roof and then comes down again. Much more sanitary.
>>The earthquakes associated with the process are tiny, and probably have nothing to do with tectonic plates. The idea of getting a volcano seems a bit farfetched, and anyhow volcanoes don't put out much CO2 at all. I think you may be thinking of SO2.
Nope, CO2. It was from one of those science documentary shows. I don't have numbers or dates for you, it was late night TV Feel free to google it up though. It was famous enough they were doing documentaries about it after all.
IIRC There was a lake inside a volcano top that would collect CO2 bubbles in it like Soda. Something would stir it and it would release a whole bunch at once. The cloud could drift down the mountain and suffocate a small town. what made it so dangerous was no one could see it or smell it. People just started dropping. I think they wound up putting sensors near the lake or something.
I'll admit I did bring up the volcano stuff mainly so I could make the chili dog crack though. I kind of liked it.
>> Again, citation needed. Can you point me to research indicating that Minnesota (or heck, any state) is actually wind saturated? As in, something that specifically states they are already extracting a significant percent of all the wind energy that is economically harvestable?
Xcel energy (the power company offering the wind generated power plans) has extensive data. You might also contact any of the local farm energy co-ops. I think I got my original data from channel 5. You could call them too maybe. It's kind of a local issue because not all the farmers have fields that will support wind farms so it creates some significant economic inequalities. They go over it on the news occasionally.
>>I suspect that the primary reason for the low figures is a lack of people willing to put up the extra couple of cents per kilowatt hour needed to get more projects up and running.
Xcel When last I looked sells out all it's available wind power energy at the aforementioned premium price. I suppose I could look up the exact premium. It's on my bill, but you could just as easily get it from their web site I suspect.
>>I suppose there might also be a lack of landowners willing to host windmills.
Probably very few. Windmills make money. Pretty good money actually, and it's getting better all the time with increased energy costs. Farms are businesses. It's basically a no brainer.
>> there is enough wind available to power our current needs five times over, without dipping into lower quality sites (read, offshore, or areas with less than 15mph average windspeed). And I really doubt there are many places you could put a turbine where it wouldn't pay back the original energy investment (outside downtown Baghdad).
I trust the farmers on this one. It's their butts that are on the line in both directions. There are quite a few though who would like to put up turbines but can't justify it. Again, evening news.
>> offshore sites have...
KEWL! Float some rigs out there and run those puppies up! The supports will probably make good fish habitat too.
One factor extends exponentially and the other extends linearly. That means for your next 15% you're going to build a whale of a lot more towers, then a whale of a lot more after that. Assuming your trend even holds up. which I personally doubt. A gigantic steel tower in a multi ton concrete base is still a gigantic steel tower in a multi ton concrete base. And steel and concrete are getting more expensive not cheaper.
"Any type of mining/drilling activity can trigger quakes by lubricating a fault line."
Then maybe they shouldn't be drilling them there. Which was my point if you recall.
There is no free lunch. There is no totally clean coal, Conversely, there is also no totally clean wind and geothermal, or at least not nearly as much of it as we'd like. Perhaps we'll get lucky, and someone will invent a cost effective reliable robust solar cell they can cover deserts with or something. I'm not going to bet my life on it.
But continuing to test a device proven to be capable of causing damage and possible life safety threats in the location it is set (in a major city no less) Not because the research is not being done, but because they want to get kudos for doing it first, strikes me as every bit as irresponsible as the fools at Exxon who insisted on single wall tankers for economy and covered various parts of the ocean with crude oil.
Is geothermal better than oil? In the short run oh yeah. We already know that fossil fuel will wreck the biosphere. In the long run, who knows? Nobody knew about the carbon dioxide issues till they were already affecting things.
[quote] . So the basic story that graph is trying to tell is this: while geothermal may be limited to geological anomalies at the moment, the improvements in geothermal technology we expect to see over the next few decades will make it economical in vastly larger areas, to the point that we could choose to use it to serve as our primary source of power. [/qutoe]
Yes.. except for the, you know, Earthquakes. The whole "oops we seemed to have accidentally moved a techtonic plate" thing actually worries me more than the CO2 thing atm. And hey, if they also manage to get a volcano out of it you can have your CO2 as well.
I doubt it will happen but even a small CO2 belch from an active site has been known to wipe out small towns. Drill into the bowels of the earth and you may just find that chili dog with extra peppers from lunch.
We do not know what this technology can do yet. There seem to be a few indications that it may be no better for the environment than oil. I'd like to be wrong, but there it is.
[quote] there might or might not be enough good wind sites across the Minnesotan landscape to fulfill their energy demands. [/quote]
There aren't. Wind energy is a big industry all along the northern border. Agribusiness has taken to wind production enthusiastically, but because of this, most of the viable locations are already in use. There isn't a great deal more power to be had, at least not the 3000% increase that you are talking about. You can put up a mast in less and less efficient locations, but eventually you will come to a point where the mast cannot recoup the energy it took to make the thing in the first place.
I didn't say it wasn't viable. I said it is of limited utility. I was replying in particular to the projected potential of the system. Current non-dry rock systems are only usable in particular geological situations which are not particularly common. Dry rock systems it seems, can cause earthquakes.
Wind energy production is NOT economically viable throughout entire the united states.
In order to generate enough power to get your money back out of a multi million dollar wind turbine you need to be in a "wind corridor". The entire United States is not a wind corridor. There are several good ones but they are not everywhere. Power can be transferred anywhere but it can not be generated everywhere, and the amount that can be generated is limited by availability and environmental issues such as noise pollution (the things are LOUD)and proximity to bird habitats (think giant blender).
Minnesota for example is in a "wind corridor" and has ample wind generation equipment. It is still generating only around 3% of it's needs this way even though the local electrical utility has increased the payable price for wind generated electricity by allowing their customers to opt to pay more for wind generated power.
Wind is great but I don't think we're ever going to b able to run a majority of our country off of it.
iirc the problem is location. Much like wind energy there are relatively few places where geothermal energy is actually a viable possibility.
The still experimental deep drilling thing seems to me to be trying to address that, but I'm not sure it's an advantage. Deliberately weakening the earth's crust is an environmental side effect people!! EARTHQUAKES!!! GAH!!! I don't think I want volcanoes in the mid west thank-you-oh-so-very-much.
But it's not a great quote.
It's kind of a lame quote quote in fact. it neither expresses elegantly nor with any special insight. It's not a quotable quote it's a news quote, a really old one. the entirety of the announcement has all the earmarks of someone who has gotten way too close to the subject and has lost their perspective on what is actually good.
If you want to talk astroturfing iirc, this "random" test was comprised almost entirely of HP machines. There are a lot of other people making those things these days as well. I am willing to question the study itself purely on that basis. It has a bad odor.
"great Linus quote"?! It's handy to know about I suppose and I'm not denigrating the man's work, but dude... If you get your face any farther up his butt cheeks you're going to it belly button.
It's a computer program not a religion, or at least it's supposed to be.
everything reads NTFS and if you have Parallels you can install a windows partition and write to it as well.
If you want full read/write on everything, the only I know of that has drivers for all three systems besides fat32 is ext2 . The mac one is hard to get at and is a bit primitive, but it is in the kernel.
mmmm.... We're back to investors again. I think I have yet to meet a major investor who is a Democrat. This seems extremely unlikely to me. We are approaching the tail end of an 8 year republican administration. If it were true these people would have to go after almost every civil servant in the government.
Your reply however seems to state that you know in particular who is pushing this suit. Could you name them please we are all curious.
reality check: "permission from apple"??
Why after spending what was likely loads of time locking down the thing because they didn't want anyone messing with it would they suddenly change their minds because someone took a crowbar to the thing?
I think from their point of view it's a bit like the roaches expecting you to lay out some cheese platters and stop spraying since they managed to get into your house anyway.
I'm thinking they're going to see a fumigation tent a lot sooner than a bucket of veggie dip.
I'm in agreement. If ask implements this and it works as described it is going to become my new desktop accessory. Right now you can do the job with www.scroogle.com, but it has some small disadvantages.
At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist here, why are they doing this?
Lawsuits are soul sucking, time consuming, and really really expensive. I could see how some legal body or activist group may be interested for idealistic reasons, but investors?
If they are putting the big dollars in they will be wanting the big dollars out again. That's what investors do. The question is why and how. What has either this law or woman woman done or not done to engender this kind of hostility?
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*argh editing error. Is there anyway to remove that last paragraph? it's just a duplication*
I have to say I disagree with the writer's conclusion here.
Nintendo is "oriented" in the same direction all companies are orientated: making the bucks. To do that they have to have a product people prefer over that of the competition, and right now they've got one.
Nintendo discovered itself with a game player capable of things other players could not previously do. If you take away the new control interfaces however the Wii has very little on the playstation 2 let alone the playstation 3.
Nintendo may realize that they have to capitalize on these advantages, and are attempting to do so. XBOX and Playstation six axis game controllers are already in development. The Wii could lose it's spec ial charms at any time. What they have at the moment is the opportunity to get a jump on the competition with new interface formats and new game styles. We may be seeing a frantic research project on the part of Nintendo to find a way to get a lock on the "new thing" while they still have exclusive access.
A surf or skateboard game would seem to be very preferable over a yoga game, but they don't have to make one. They just have to get the board into the marketplace before microsoft. I'm sure the yoga game was a lot quicker to write. Where they make the money is not by making a semi-popular game with a controller that is probably a wash profit wise. They make it when "Tony Hawke" comes out for their patented controller and everyone's got to buy a Wii so they can play it.
It wouldn't surprise me if the company comes out with yet more weird controllers. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks, because if something does they have it all to themselves.
I'm sure the yoga game was a lot quicker to write. It wouldn't surprise me if the company comes out with yet more weird controllers. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks, because if something does they have it all to themselves.
I think I read somewhere once that bucky balls were environmentally hazardous because they are hard to contain, don't break down, and tend to do things like get lodged in blood vessels and insect spiracles.
If so painting your house with this stuff would not be a good thing.
Is this correct at all? And if so, how significant is this danger?
..and if this person or persons happen to be, say a 12 year old semi-literate war refugee in Sub-Saharan Africa, He'd probably be willing to do a whole day of it for a bowl of soup and a big shiney nickel, or even just for a semi-serious promise not to beat him again that evening...
Things get real economical real fast if you think globally and happen to be evil.
In a point of irony I would like to mention that the capcha for this slashdot comment was "disturbs"
Just for clarity, You do realize you are supporting the above reply not refuting it.
This is a common issue in art in general. Given a sufficiently large body of work, it is almost impossible to completely disguise one's inner and even subconscious feelings about a subject. There's even a whole field called art therapy based on this.
The comic book Cerebus is a prime example, which unintentionally documents the writers inner feelings about an acrimonious divorce. (it got real ugly too, The comic book writing community eventually stood up as one and complained)
As observed By his writings Heinlein was an ultra right wing authoritarian and exhibited some sociopathic tendencies.
The whole wanting-to-boop-his-mom thing is so Freudian it's hard to even comment on. These days the field of Psychology in general defends itself by pointing out that Freud did amazing amounts of Coke.
What if the company in question responds by offering emergency services agencies low bids on their phone systems. Remember they're the government, they have to take the low bid. Then all they have to do is wait for someone to be unable to call the fire department and watch T-Mobile get eaten alive by the lawsuit(s).
I did say it was evil.
I bet it would have been a lot cheaper if you count the labor. Even with the shipping.
Regardless of political overtones the mere fact that the data has been found means that it will rapidly be changed or stripped out. One more update to playfair, big deal.
they sell treos with both OS's on them.
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The only statement about relative sales I could find show the palm os version outselling it's windows based sibling pretty soundly even though the palm version was significantly older and had fewer features.
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9165/npd-repor
Some better numbers could help here but I can't find any.