All this recycling and tree replanting should be avoided in the first place. We should be planting hemp everywhere. It has many more benefits than growing pine, for instance. Less to no chemicals needed. It's a nitrogen fixer (in the soil). Grows quickly. Hemp is the answer. Leave the forests to become old growth again.
With freedom of speech comes responsibility. You're free to say whatever you want so long as it doesn't unduly cause harm to other people. Without such restrictions we'd have anarchy. Yet another person who has no idea what the meaning of anarchy is. Please go and do some research.
In fact, the very definition you gave is one description of anarchy, that is, you are free to do what you want so long as you don't take someone elses freedom.
So how far reaching is this rediculous patent system. The USA is a write-off i know. Things are similar in europe yes? What parts of the world are still 'free' so to speak, in regards to patents? Is there anywhere left where a developer can put together what they want and distribute it without worrying about all this bullshit?
And as long as you keep drawing that distinction, you're making the same mistake the parent post was talking about. People need support. Reducing it to one group of people vs another just clouds the real issue. I don't think its one vs. another. As I said, all violence needs to be addressed. But what we need to recognise is that some forms of violence is more prevalant than others.
How often do you hear of men getting raped by women? Now how often do you hear of women getting raped by men?
I must also state that I think the whole idea of this bill is stupid. Censoring people is stupid. I'd rather have all the haters and violent people be allowed to post their stuff on the net. If people are censored, they feel more repressed, and are more likely to commit violent acts.
Not important. Remember, it's a tragedy when women are beaten or raped or molested as girls by men, but a joke when men are beaten by women or raped in prison (much less women, since most people believe that isn't possible) or molested as boys by women.
It's the old double standard: "Men are strong and supposed to be able to take anything and want any sort of sex even when their infant or their not men, they're pussies. Women are weak and suppose to require help for even the most minor things and hate sex and when this is occationally not the case, it must either be because a man corrupted her or she's had mitigating circumstances.". Who says this? really?
The majority of rapes are committed by men against women. Women have been treated as property in our civilization for hundreds, if not thousands of years. It's only in the last few decades that advances in equality have been made. So there is still quite an entrenched male domination in our society.
Certainly, volence by women against men or against children should be treated seriously, but what stinks is men that get all upset when people try doing something to reduce voilence against women, and these men shout 'reverse sexism' or other such crap.
Wake up. Our sisters need support. We still live in a male dominated society.
I remember seeing on a Bob Geldof docco that Africa is the largest growing market for mobile phone sales, and that mobile phone towers were popping up everywhere.
It's time to give up on the "do no evil" crap. Google helps censor the Chinese for a start. They have a mountain of data from logging all their users, definitly a tool for the future Big Brothers of the world.
Lots of large corporations do good things, usually to make it seem as if they 'do no evil'. As Google gets larger, we will see them commit more evil.
You have the right to not watch their movies, but why do you think you have a right to pirate them?
Because we can. Forget about laws in books, even forget that Bill Of Rights that some of you have, they get ignored all the time. Rights are yours if you have the means to enforce your ability to exercise your right.
I'm in favour of radical systemic change, but let's not make the mistake of 20th century revolutions. The main problem was creating an all powerful state that owned everything, including the people. In one word: centralisation.
The new goal should be the total opposite: decentralisation, community sovereignty, individual freedoms. Instead of creating a centralized state to control everything, lets create global networks of autonomous local communities and workplaces. No central authority, no presidents, effectively no nation-states. Democracy works best when people can meet in real life, face to face. Direct democracy, or horizontal democracy (no hierarchy) means everyone can have a say on issues that effect them. That means small scale is best.
A.K.A: Anarchism.
The system I've just described is not unlike the Opensource community. So we have an example already that works.
A homebuilder will just transfer hers/his license to the newbuilt computer and s/he can get a lot more bang for the bucks.
Yes, I do know girls who build their own computers...
You can avoid gender specific language by replacing he/she/s/he with they/their: A homebuilder will just transfer their license to the newbuilt computer Unless of course you were countering the male domination of computing. If so, good one.
Not sure if this would work, it would probably just end up in people getting sued bigtime, but what if there was a 'class action' of sorts, where a whole heap, and I mean heap, of people/companies used patented ideas, and basically told the patent office and the patent holders to get fucked. It would take co-ordination, but done on a mass scale, the point could be made, and the patent system reformed.
So what are you saying, that people should speak up about stuff they know nothing about???
I'm not saying anybody should do anything. People often like to hear what their favourite artist has to say about things. Also, how do you know that they know nothing about the subject?
I'm all for net neutrality, but did they really believe that their opinions matter?
Of course their opinions matter. They are well known people with large followings, they can help get the message out there. What matters more is that more and more people speak up.
ok, so maybe I'm telling you something you could do. You don't have to listen. Actually, yeah, I've got every right to say what I want!
I don't assume anything. I'm just having my say.
Who says the politicians should be kicked? A global general strike is a strike that should be commited by EVERYBODY.
uhhh, that is kinda what a general strike is - a strike by EVERYBODY
Who are you to tell everybody what to do?
What kind of comment is that? I'm not telling everybody what to do. I'm merely making a comment on slashdot. Crikey mate.
Since when a business is a democracy
I never said it was a democracy. I said it was a dictatorship (mostly. There are lots of co-operatives, and lots of other good stuff being created about the place). What I am doing is suggesting a different system we could have if we all want it.
The only thing that i can see to get real change is to have a global general strike. Kick out the politicians everywhere. Institute democracy again. But lets do something different this time. Let's create a system that hasn't been tried before. One where we all have a say.
Theres lots of talk about democracy, but for most people, most of their days are spent at work where there is no democracy. Work is a dictatorship. I'm all for workplace democracy. Non-hierachical collectives running things.
When we have a system where our only say is to elect a so called representative every few years, we should expect to be ignored.
It's time we took back the power we all have. The power found in co-operation.
Time to overthrow these corrupt corporate bastards.
Another thing is that Linux (or the BSD's) can be downloaded off the internet, while Windows requires that you buy a fresh new disk packaged in cardboard and plastic wrap. Clearly if everyone could download software and not use the packaging, that would save a lot of resources.
oh please, stop associating anarchy with terror and violence. You're just doing the job of the ruling class. Most anarchists are peaceful peaple. Please go and read up on what anarchy really means.
i dont think so. Thats what we have now in most places. It's called representative democracy, and its become corrupt as hell.
The key to getting rid of rulers/tyrants is to decentralise power, and abolish hierachy. That is, abolish nation states and their governments/presidents, and let all power go to the local community. Orgnaisation of the world would become a network of local communities. Kind of like peer-to-peer self government, instead of a hierachy of beaurocrats which gain ever more power. This model works for open source software development and it has worked for the self organisation of society in some parts of the world, such as in Chiapas.
You misunderstand the quest for anarchy. The idea is that there is no tyranny of any sorts. The freedom to rule over other people doesnt count. Lets have a look at what you said..
So, no safety regulations.
Without some sort of safety regulations. Greedy property developers would rule over their workers, forcing them to work in unsafe conditions.
Nothing to stop bankers from making off with your life savings.
That would make the banker a ruler, therefore its is not anarchy
I like knowing that my food has passed mandated quality control measures. I like knowing that the rules that govern how vehicles use the roads are enforced, that planes are not going to be dropping parts on my head, that buildings can withstand a moderate wind without falling over, that the wiring is adequate, and that the bridges I drive over can handle the weight of my car, and hundreds of thousands of things that would just fall apart without any rules.
All valid points that I agree with. The idea of anarchy is 'rules without rulers'.
So how do we enforce these things without becoming a ruler? Good question, I think the answer lies in free association, mutual aid, co-operativism. That is, when people freely associate to get a certain job done, then they are less likely to build something shoddy for their community. Take open source Vs. Micorsoft. Who makes the better OS? The people who do it as volunteers, or the people who do what they are told by Billy boy.
There are laws defining how non-citizens are allowed to enter the country. These people have broken those laws. They're illegal immigrants.
Well actually no. These people are refugees. Under international conventions which australia is signatory to, refugees have the right to seek asylum in Australia.
They are free to leave - and go back to their point of origin
Well not always. There is a reason these people left their country. Often it is because they are a political dissident, and fear for their lives
So how *should* we deal with people who enter the country illegally, that we know nothing about ?
Do you like being able to travel freely across your own country without having to prove yourself when crossing state lines?. Yes? Apply the same rule here. You're not scared of people from another state are you?
On the topic of racism. The Australian government spends millions trying to keep out refugees (which are mostly from middle eastern countries). On the other hand they do fuck all about British tourist who have overstayed their visas
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why can't their price drop below $1? Is there a particar reason why a share can't be traded below $1?
All this recycling and tree replanting should be avoided in the first place. We should be planting hemp everywhere. It has many more benefits than growing pine, for instance. Less to no chemicals needed. It's a nitrogen fixer (in the soil). Grows quickly. Hemp is the answer. Leave the forests to become old growth again.
In fact, the very definition you gave is one description of anarchy, that is, you are free to do what you want so long as you don't take someone elses freedom.
An-archy - without rulers, not without rules.
So how far reaching is this rediculous patent system. The USA is a write-off i know. Things are similar in europe yes? What parts of the world are still 'free' so to speak, in regards to patents? Is there anywhere left where a developer can put together what they want and distribute it without worrying about all this bullshit?
Why is it that politicians are always addressing the symptoms of societies problems?
How long till they want to simply ban the internet?
What is it that causes people to prey on children in the first place? I think there should be more investigation into that.
How often do you hear of men getting raped by women?
Now how often do you hear of women getting raped by men?
I must also state that I think the whole idea of this bill is stupid. Censoring people is stupid. I'd rather have all the haters and violent people be allowed to post their stuff on the net. If people are censored, they feel more repressed, and are more likely to commit violent acts.
It's the old double standard: "Men are strong and supposed to be able to take anything and want any sort of sex even when their infant or their not men, they're pussies. Women are weak and suppose to require help for even the most minor things and hate sex and when this is occationally not the case, it must either be because a man corrupted her or she's had mitigating circumstances.". Who says this? really?
The majority of rapes are committed by men against women. Women have been treated as property in our civilization for hundreds, if not thousands of years. It's only in the last few decades that advances in equality have been made. So there is still quite an entrenched male domination in our society.
Certainly, volence by women against men or against children should be treated seriously, but what stinks is men that get all upset when people try doing something to reduce voilence against women, and these men shout 'reverse sexism' or other such crap.
Wake up. Our sisters need support. We still live in a male dominated society.
I remember seeing on a Bob Geldof docco that Africa is the largest growing market for mobile phone sales, and that mobile phone towers were popping up everywhere.
I don't know how factual that is though.
Is this one of those 'forced upgrade' things so hardware and software manufacturers can make a heap of money selling more stuff?
And get ready for a whole heap more IP claims and big corps attempting to own the internet.
It's time to give up on the "do no evil" crap. Google helps censor the Chinese for a start. They have a mountain of data from logging all their users, definitly a tool for the future Big Brothers of the world.
Lots of large corporations do good things, usually to make it seem as if they 'do no evil'. As Google gets larger, we will see them commit more evil.
Because we can. Forget about laws in books, even forget that Bill Of Rights that some of you have, they get ignored all the time. Rights are yours if you have the means to enforce your ability to exercise your right.
I'm in favour of radical systemic change, but let's not make the mistake of 20th century revolutions. The main problem was creating an all powerful state that owned everything, including the people. In one word: centralisation.
The new goal should be the total opposite: decentralisation, community sovereignty, individual freedoms. Instead of creating a centralized state to control everything, lets create global networks of autonomous local communities and workplaces. No central authority, no presidents, effectively no nation-states. Democracy works best when people can meet in real life, face to face. Direct democracy, or horizontal democracy (no hierarchy) means everyone can have a say on issues that effect them. That means small scale is best.
A.K.A: Anarchism.
The system I've just described is not unlike the Opensource community. So we have an example already that works.
You can avoid gender specific language by replacing he/she/s/he with they/their: A homebuilder will just transfer their license to the newbuilt computer
Unless of course you were countering the male domination of computing. If so, good one.
Not sure if this would work, it would probably just end up in people getting sued bigtime, but what if there was a 'class action' of sorts, where a whole heap, and I mean heap, of people/companies used patented ideas, and basically told the patent office and the patent holders to get fucked. It would take co-ordination, but done on a mass scale, the point could be made, and the patent system reformed.
I'm not saying anybody should do anything. People often like to hear what their favourite artist has to say about things. Also, how do you know that they know nothing about the subject?
Of course their opinions matter. They are well known people with large followings, they can help get the message out there. What matters more is that more and more people speak up.
ok, so maybe I'm telling you something you could do. You don't have to listen. Actually, yeah, I've got every right to say what I want!
I don't assume anything. I'm just having my say.
Who says the politicians should be kicked? A global general strike is a strike that should be commited by EVERYBODY.
uhhh, that is kinda what a general strike is - a strike by EVERYBODY
Who are you to tell everybody what to do?
What kind of comment is that? I'm not telling everybody what to do. I'm merely making a comment on slashdot. Crikey mate.
Since when a business is a democracy
I never said it was a democracy. I said it was a dictatorship (mostly. There are lots of co-operatives, and lots of other good stuff being created about the place). What I am doing is suggesting a different system we could have if we all want it.
On February 15 2003 the largest global protest ever took place in hundreds of place around the planet. It was against the war on Iraq. They were ignored by politicians. Democracy is dead.
The only thing that i can see to get real change is to have a global general strike. Kick out the politicians everywhere. Institute democracy again. But lets do something different this time. Let's create a system that hasn't been tried before. One where we all have a say.
Theres lots of talk about democracy, but for most people, most of their days are spent at work where there is no democracy. Work is a dictatorship. I'm all for workplace democracy. Non-hierachical collectives running things.
When we have a system where our only say is to elect a so called representative every few years, we should expect to be ignored.
It's time we took back the power we all have. The power found in co-operation.
Time to overthrow these corrupt corporate bastards.
Another thing is that Linux (or the BSD's) can be downloaded off the internet, while Windows requires that you buy a fresh new disk packaged in cardboard and plastic wrap. Clearly if everyone could download software and not use the packaging, that would save a lot of resources.
oh please, stop associating anarchy with terror and violence. You're just doing the job of the ruling class. Most anarchists are peaceful peaple. Please go and read up on what anarchy really means.
I can think of one, well its not a country, its a network of autonomous communities: Chiapas
i dont think so. Thats what we have now in most places. It's called representative democracy, and its become corrupt as hell.
The key to getting rid of rulers/tyrants is to decentralise power, and abolish hierachy. That is, abolish nation states and their governments/presidents, and let all power go to the local community. Orgnaisation of the world would become a network of local communities. Kind of like peer-to-peer self government, instead of a hierachy of beaurocrats which gain ever more power. This model works for open source software development and it has worked for the self organisation of society in some parts of the world, such as in Chiapas.
You misunderstand the quest for anarchy. The idea is that there is no tyranny of any sorts. The freedom to rule over other people doesnt count. Lets have a look at what you said..
So, no safety regulations.
Without some sort of safety regulations. Greedy property developers would rule over their workers, forcing them to work in unsafe conditions.
Nothing to stop bankers from making off with your life savings.
That would make the banker a ruler, therefore its is not anarchy
I like knowing that my food has passed mandated quality control measures. I like knowing that the rules that govern how vehicles use the roads are enforced, that planes are not going to be dropping parts on my head, that buildings can withstand a moderate wind without falling over, that the wiring is adequate, and that the bridges I drive over can handle the weight of my car, and hundreds of thousands of things that would just fall apart without any rules.
All valid points that I agree with. The idea of anarchy is 'rules without rulers'.
So how do we enforce these things without becoming a ruler? Good question, I think the answer lies in free association, mutual aid, co-operativism. That is, when people freely associate to get a certain job done, then they are less likely to build something shoddy for their community. Take open source Vs. Micorsoft. Who makes the better OS? The people who do it as volunteers, or the people who do what they are told by Billy boy.
There are laws defining how non-citizens are allowed to enter the country. These people have broken those laws. They're illegal immigrants.
Well actually no. These people are refugees. Under international conventions which australia is signatory to, refugees have the right to seek asylum in Australia.
They are free to leave - and go back to their point of origin
Well not always. There is a reason these people left their country. Often it is because they are a political dissident, and fear for their lives
So how *should* we deal with people who enter the country illegally, that we know nothing about ?
Do you like being able to travel freely across your own country without having to prove yourself when crossing state lines?. Yes? Apply the same rule here. You're not scared of people from another state are you?
On the topic of racism. The Australian government spends millions trying to keep out refugees (which are mostly from middle eastern countries). On the other hand they do fuck all about British tourist who have overstayed their visas