For example, if the truth of the argument relies on the truthfulness of the person making the argument—rather than known facts—then pointing out that the person has previously lied is not a fallacious argument.
the media is being amazingly honest in their reporting of Trump
I will be honest, I stopped reading there. The mainstream media ( Entertainment industry ) has completely left the truth behind and is abusing it's power in horrific fashion with character assassinations.
Enjoy your Koolaid, and please, take the time to perform your own research, rather than obey what the TV god tells you.
You raise a great point. King George has been and gone and we have a history of his activities throughout his lifetime. Trump hasn't had his first 100 days in office and the media isn't giving him a chance to prove himself.
This divisiveness is what threatens to tear this nation apart.
I suppose that the recent racist executive order was fake
A religion is not a race, and discriminating against a religion that has repeatedly attacked us and plotted to attack us and currently beheading people that don't agree with them in other countries is not racist. It's not profiling. It's ensuring the safety of the American people both foreign and domestic. I will take this example as a calibration to the extent I can consider the bias in the previous examples you quoted. A minor point considering the other egregious activities of former presidents.
yet think that using debt to buy several houses is bad
Why do you care that I prefer mobility without crippling debt? Does this make you insecure somehow? Because I postulated a differing opinion than yours? Why does this get your knickers in a twist?
you cannot reconcile your religious beliefs with your support for Trump
You can quit now really. Your attempt to marry religion with people that don't vilify Trump along with the 'in crowd' is just bothersome.
I agree. I commuted for a year for 1.5 hours a day one direction on the most dangerous road in the state and it was combative daily just to get to work and back without getting killed, or held hostage at 35mph ( Speed limit is 55 )
This is the last time I will respond to your bait.
I have worked in the entertainment industry. Radio more precisely. And they made it exceedingly clear that any media company falls squarely under the entertainment industry. Their only function was to gain ratings which paid the bills and provided paychecks. All the lies, mis-directions, biases etc are for entertainment purposes only. The Dollar was king. Nothing else.
Can I prove it ? No. do I care to? No. You have already demonstrated that you're incapable of considering a world-view that has already proven itself valuable to you. I promise as time goes on that view will change. I personally don't care. It's your life, live it as you please. Just don't fuck up the planet for the rest of us ok?
Your 'disturbing facts' are more a projection of a corporation that has fed you whatever it wants in order to get the ratings it needs to charge for advertising. There might be a kernel of truth but the rest is hugely overblown. Anyone that is capable of objectively looking at what's been presented from both side of the extremes should be intelligent enough to read between the lines.
I am glad you have assets. Don't forget to understand what depreciation will do to those over time. As for having a mortgage, hell no. I would rather own my own home outright, and be capable of moving where I please, when I please. With the Family in Tow thank you.
Last thing, anyone that goes through enough of another persons posts to find ammunition for their argument is the one that needs a psych eval. Good luck to ya.
I can see that public forums have become useless as sites for open debate. That anyone holding a contrary view, valid or not, is modded down with the same deference as children arguing on the playground.
Everything is hearsay so long as I am not arguing along with the 'in crowd'.
I guess that's the price for growing old. Time to go find other adults to converse with. Hopefully we can keep you kids from ruining the planet in the process.
I presently have a vehicle with driving 'assists' and it's an effing nightmare when they trigger. There should be only one driver at the wheel thank you.
Any future cars will be early 90's or older and I will do a restoration if I have to.
The vast majority of my experience has been from liberals that refuse to engage in legitimate debate and think that name-calling proves or improves their argument.
A less inflammatory way of saying this would be 'Don't raise your voice, improve your argument' though that just seemed to make them scream louder so I chose to use their own language instead.
Being rich, or the president does not and should not make you immune to accountability.
Never said it did. It's time we had a jerk in office though. Doing the right thing is seldom popular. The screaming / crying liberals are driving nail after nail into the coffin of their own regressive movement. Keep it up!
I don't recall any other leader throwing their own citizens (government, judges, military, media etc) under the bus
Prove it. "news" corporations are not acceptable as sources.
This is the standard defence, and it's what Trump wants you to believe. But I, nor most others are relying in the media, we have a pretty clear picture based purely on the words out of his own mouth
No, you don't. I have seen and read what he has said. It's not what the Media is saying. But I really don't care. he's going to win again in 2020 because the Internet population is still a small percentage of real voters. Not everyone obeys or believes what's screamed into the Internet echo chamber.
He has them, I don't see yours that would qualify you to speak as an authority to what amounts to a 'successful' fortune.
For the two of us to debate the financial prowess of a person who has no concern for our opinion is pointless. Other than to mash keys at each other and increase the forums ad impressions and increase their as revenue why do you care what anyone else thinks so badly?
You think he's a baffoon? That's fine. But ultimately he's in the white house with a ton of cash and fingers on important buttons and neither of us are.
He's someplace I wish I could be, with resources I wish I had. To me, that's pretty damn successful.
Without deeply investigating a mans private fortune, he has one. A personal fortune that is likely more money than you will ever see in your life, AND he's president of the United States of America.
Somewhere, someplace whether you like it or not he did enough things right to keep and increase his holdings, as well as attain the highest political office in the world.
I would suggest your information is grossly inaccurate, or you just hate him and refuse to give credit where credit is due. Either way, you're not going to be very successful arguing with *results*.
This has been true starting with Kennedy's successor.
All joking aside, the media has portrayed him as such. According to the media drinking a cup of coffee in the morning is an act worthy of impeachment.
You don't amass billions or get elected to the highest office in the world despite running against one of the most expensive campaigns in history and WIN by accident.
If you believe everything the media feeds you you're not as smart as you think you are.
Please Google the 'Dunning-Krugar Effect' and note that there's at least 12 years of documented history and video evidence of the weak spot in the spillway.
There's real engineering here and there's people working today that weren't there 12 years ago that may well have not known about the issues documented prior.
Placing a non-sustainable patch of grass over the continuance of the species or at least the right of an individual to raise children could be argued to be extremely selfish, and certainly not a valid argument to 'the world is over-populated'.
To each his own though, you enjoy your lawn, and I will enjoy raising my children and watching them play and grow into adults to find their own mark on life.
Hopefully they remember me at Holidays and say kind things about me at my funeral.
Overpopulation is a complete myth. All of the Earth's population can fit in the state of Texas. Engineering for high density population would be a challenge, but not impossible.
Available Infrastructure was China's problem at one point. Not so much now.
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For example, if the truth of the argument relies on the truthfulness of the person making the argument—rather than known facts—then pointing out that the person has previously lied is not a fallacious argument.
Out.
No, ad ad hominem attack is name calling. As my sig suggests.
The media may have the power to make up whatever it wants, you I can ignore.
Bye.
You clearly don't know what an Ad-Hominem is.
Good day.
the media is being amazingly honest in their reporting of Trump
I will be honest, I stopped reading there. The mainstream media ( Entertainment industry ) has completely left the truth behind and is abusing it's power in horrific fashion with character assassinations.
Enjoy your Koolaid, and please, take the time to perform your own research, rather than obey what the TV god tells you.
Good Day.
You raise a great point. King George has been and gone and we have a history of his activities throughout his lifetime. Trump hasn't had his first 100 days in office and the media isn't giving him a chance to prove himself.
This divisiveness is what threatens to tear this nation apart.
Dammit I will bite again.
I suppose that the recent racist executive order was fake
A religion is not a race, and discriminating against a religion that has repeatedly attacked us and plotted to attack us and currently beheading people that don't agree with them in other countries is not racist. It's not profiling. It's ensuring the safety of the American people both foreign and domestic. I will take this example as a calibration to the extent I can consider the bias in the previous examples you quoted. A minor point considering the other egregious activities of former presidents.
yet think that using debt to buy several houses is bad
Why do you care that I prefer mobility without crippling debt? Does this make you insecure somehow? Because I postulated a differing opinion than yours? Why does this get your knickers in a twist?
you cannot reconcile your religious beliefs with your support for Trump
You can quit now really. Your attempt to marry religion with people that don't vilify Trump along with the 'in crowd' is just bothersome.
Good Day.
I agree. I commuted for a year for 1.5 hours a day one direction on the most dangerous road in the state and it was combative daily just to get to work and back without getting killed, or held hostage at 35mph ( Speed limit is 55 )
This is the last time I will respond to your bait.
I have worked in the entertainment industry. Radio more precisely. And they made it exceedingly clear that any media company falls squarely under the entertainment industry. Their only function was to gain ratings which paid the bills and provided paychecks. All the lies, mis-directions, biases etc are for entertainment purposes only. The Dollar was king. Nothing else.
Can I prove it ? No. do I care to? No. You have already demonstrated that you're incapable of considering a world-view that has already proven itself valuable to you. I promise as time goes on that view will change. I personally don't care. It's your life, live it as you please. Just don't fuck up the planet for the rest of us ok?
Your 'disturbing facts' are more a projection of a corporation that has fed you whatever it wants in order to get the ratings it needs to charge for advertising. There might be a kernel of truth but the rest is hugely overblown. Anyone that is capable of objectively looking at what's been presented from both side of the extremes should be intelligent enough to read between the lines.
I am glad you have assets. Don't forget to understand what depreciation will do to those over time. As for having a mortgage, hell no. I would rather own my own home outright, and be capable of moving where I please, when I please. With the Family in Tow thank you.
Last thing, anyone that goes through enough of another persons posts to find ammunition for their argument is the one that needs a psych eval. Good luck to ya.
Out.
I can see that public forums have become useless as sites for open debate. That anyone holding a contrary view, valid or not, is modded down with the same deference as children arguing on the playground.
Everything is hearsay so long as I am not arguing along with the 'in crowd'.
I guess that's the price for growing old. Time to go find other adults to converse with. Hopefully we can keep you kids from ruining the planet in the process.
Cya.
Your phone already does all that anyways.
I know how you feel.
I presently have a vehicle with driving 'assists' and it's an effing nightmare when they trigger. There should be only one driver at the wheel thank you.
Any future cars will be early 90's or older and I will do a restoration if I have to.
The vast majority of my experience has been from liberals that refuse to engage in legitimate debate and think that name-calling proves or improves their argument.
A less inflammatory way of saying this would be 'Don't raise your voice, improve your argument' though that just seemed to make them scream louder so I chose to use their own language instead.
Being rich, or the president does not and should not make you immune to accountability.
Never said it did. It's time we had a jerk in office though. Doing the right thing is seldom popular. The screaming / crying liberals are driving nail after nail into the coffin of their own regressive movement. Keep it up!
You don't know what that means. Go back to /pol.
I don't recall any other leader throwing their own citizens (government, judges, military, media etc) under the bus
Prove it. "news" corporations are not acceptable as sources.
This is the standard defence, and it's what Trump wants you to believe. But I, nor most others are relying in the media, we have a pretty clear picture based purely on the words out of his own mouth
No, you don't. I have seen and read what he has said. It's not what the Media is saying. But I really don't care. he's going to win again in 2020 because the Internet population is still a small percentage of real voters. Not everyone obeys or believes what's screamed into the Internet echo chamber.
I am saying you cannot argue with results.
He has them, I don't see yours that would qualify you to speak as an authority to what amounts to a 'successful' fortune.
For the two of us to debate the financial prowess of a person who has no concern for our opinion is pointless. Other than to mash keys at each other and increase the forums ad impressions and increase their as revenue why do you care what anyone else thinks so badly?
You think he's a baffoon? That's fine. But ultimately he's in the white house with a ton of cash and fingers on important buttons and neither of us are.
He's someplace I wish I could be, with resources I wish I had. To me, that's pretty damn successful.
No need to blame the media conspiracy.
You live in a bubble, or work for the entertainment industry (media)
A few tweets do not justify the vitriol that's been projected towards our President. Any intelligent individual can see this and you know it.
Without deeply investigating a mans private fortune, he has one. A personal fortune that is likely more money than you will ever see in your life, AND he's president of the United States of America.
Somewhere, someplace whether you like it or not he did enough things right to keep and increase his holdings, as well as attain the highest political office in the world.
I would suggest your information is grossly inaccurate, or you just hate him and refuse to give credit where credit is due. Either way, you're not going to be very successful arguing with *results*.
This makes you a liar.
This guy again?
it's just the current head of state is a fuckwit
This has been true starting with Kennedy's successor.
All joking aside, the media has portrayed him as such. According to the media drinking a cup of coffee in the morning is an act worthy of impeachment.
You don't amass billions or get elected to the highest office in the world despite running against one of the most expensive campaigns in history and WIN by accident.
If you believe everything the media feeds you you're not as smart as you think you are.
In the situation you describe I would expect the shit-posting to intensify.
Please Google the 'Dunning-Krugar Effect' and note that there's at least 12 years of documented history and video evidence of the weak spot in the spillway.
There's real engineering here and there's people working today that weren't there 12 years ago that may well have not known about the issues documented prior.
There's no conspiracy here you nutter.
Lol what?
Placing a non-sustainable patch of grass over the continuance of the species or at least the right of an individual to raise children could be argued to be extremely selfish, and certainly not a valid argument to 'the world is over-populated'.
To each his own though, you enjoy your lawn, and I will enjoy raising my children and watching them play and grow into adults to find their own mark on life.
Hopefully they remember me at Holidays and say kind things about me at my funeral.
Overpopulation is a complete myth. All of the Earth's population can fit in the state of Texas. Engineering for high density population would be a challenge, but not impossible.
Available Infrastructure was China's problem at one point. Not so much now.