I half expected this spitting hairs argument. So... the App Store only sells you things? It doesn't have free apps? Oh... it does have free apps... so it does sells free apps. All other package managers "sell" free apps too. And you are flatly incorrect about libraries... if a library is necessary, it is installed with the app, and all its dependencies that may be missing from the OS are also installed with the app. Basically, your argument fails when you try to distinguish between the App Store and something like Cydia. Cydia is a package manager... it is a front end for apt, and it also sells apps, tracks dependencies and installs libraries... by your argument, Cydia is NOT an app store. And I agree with you for the correct reasons... Cydia is Cydia, a package manager, App Store is App Store a package manager, and Android Market is Android Market, a package manager.
No... the issue is we've already had a name for it for 40+ years. 40 years of bliss calling software that manages packages for what it is, the venerable package manager. And then Apple had to go and name their package manager App Store, and all the retards come out of the woodwork to rename ALL package managers app store. It would be the same if we started calling all operating systems "Windows." I think if you refered to Linux this way a few vessels might pop.
Even though no one used "App Store" globally to refer to package management prior to Apple, I couldn't care less about the trademark... But now every package manager is known as an app store, instead of what it is... a package manager. This is what is retarded. Hate Apple all you want. Deny them the trademark, who cares? But its childish to do as they do if you hate them. Its fucking anathema. This particular instance of others copying Apple is far more annoying than any other time Microsoft ever copied from them.... because it's a name not a technology. This is like naming all your children "Bruce," in some misguided attempt to benefit from Bruce Lee's fame.
I mean, is this really anything more than a minor hiccup? It's pretty easy to install apps around the App Store. It's not like iOS (yet)...
There's a ton of free emu's out there for Android. Pick a substitute and game on.
Its ridiculous... Apple is hated so much that even though Android Market is also known everywhere as Android Market were gonna call it App Store anyway, even though minor confusion will occur (Since when can Android users access the App Store? Can iPhones access Android Market, too?) just because it pisses Apple off. And yet... if Apple is so hated, why are the haters so eager to try and be like Apple and decide to call their proprietary package management system "App Store," too? Excuse me while I update my sources for my ubuntu app store, do some version checking with my red hat app store, and my NetBSD app store (remember pkgsrc? must be an app store, too, right?)... oh, and I better check my Windows 7 Android Market for security updates from Microsoft (does it work all ways? Can we just start using proper names for package managers interchangeably???).
I used to be like you, IT wiz, WinAdmin, Security Expert really felt like I was on top of things. But then something just hit me last week, and I realized I've been wasting my life with this... its endless and impossible. idk how anyone really believes only 5% of windows installs are infected... that's ridiculous. I'd say it's more like 5% of windows installs are not infected. Anyhoo... I've given up that impossible fight. Now I'm desalinating the entire ocean. Hey... at least its possible.
Hell, if you want to count computer scientists as scientists, they work pretty exclusively in the realm of things that were intelligently designed by teams of intelligent designers. (That is, microchips and compilers and languages and so forth.)
It is an absolute unrelated coincidence if a computer scientist ever discovers they are near or using a computer. Computer Science has nothing at all to do with computers. Computer Science is a merely a subset of Mathematics, and everyone knows mathematics isn't science (or the common phrase "math and science" would be redundant) and never had a first chance to pop into existence like physics or chemistry. Mathematics was there long, long, long before any tedious sequence of Big Bangs and Big Crunches.
Every time there's a volcanic eruption we are reminded by anti-volcanics just how dangerous volcanos are, that even with really thick gloves lava is simply too hot to handle, and no amount of safety regulations will mitigate the mortal danger they pose. When will society wise up and realize volcanos are far too unpredictable? Even if there weren't eruptions, no amount of science or development is going to make them economically viable.
I like the metaphors you use, and without understanding precisely what the reasoning behind Childs prosecution was, I'd like to examine your metaphors. In the first metaphor, Childs is the baby sitter, and the network is your kids. After you fired your babysitter, would s/he be required to tell you how s/he got your kids to behave so well? In the second metaphor, the chauffeur is Childs and the car is the network. After you fired your chauffeur, would he be required to teach you to drive?
So he's a criminal because he did his job incorrectly? Assuming he willfully violated city policy, I still don't see the line drawn between violating policy and breaking the law. When exactly did he commit the criminal act, and what exactly was it?
If he had just stuck around and worked with his employer to resolve the issue, he likely wouldn't ever have seen the inside of a jail cell.
I think I am missing something... once Childs was fired, he was no longer employed. Under what obligation was he under to continue to work with a former employer to resolve any issue?
I am still unclear on exactly what act he did that was a crime. My understanding is he was kind of uptight and not well liked, there was some power struggle in the city's IT group, and he was fired. After he was fired, they realized he held all the network keys... and when they demanded he relinquish the keys, he refused. I'm just unsure of exactly when he committed the crime.
IIRC, Child's was fired before they asked him to relinquish the keys. I don't understand how he was in any way obligated, or how he could legally be compelled, to give any response after his position was terminated. I think Child's has a rather small labor case against the city for forcing him to work without compensation after he was no longer employed.
Depends if it is concentrated and whipped up into an inferno, out of reach of fire control equipment.
Unless you know of a reactor that's several hundred feet up in the air...
Good point. I can't think of any reason why firefighters couldn't put a fire out at a burning reactor building. Oh... wait a second... there was a fire at Windscale... and Chernobyl... and Fukushima for the most part is still too hot to get near, even without a jet fuel fueled fire... but yeah, except for the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you're completely right.
Well the singer, he had long hair,
And the drummer, he knew restraint.
And the bass man, he had all the right moves,
And the guitar player was no saint.
So let's go way back to the ancient times
When there were no fifty states.
And on a hill, there stands Sherman,
Sherman and his mates...
And they're marchin' through Georgia!
They're marchin' through Georgia!
They're marchin' through Georgia!
G-G-G-G-G-Georgia!
They're marchin' through Georgia!
They're marchin' through Georgia!
Marchin' through Georgia!
G-G-G-G-G-Georgia!
Like I said above, if they had sent in a chinook they would have just sling loaded the downed helicopter out of pakistan. It would have been a walk in the park for them.
I kind of wish that's they did... instead of leaving the tail assembly behind. Annoys me that there will be Chinese agents there offering Pakistan tons of money for our secret property. It would have been far cooler if there was no evidence left behind, and everyone would be left asking how the heck they did it... putting fear into our enemies, leading them to believe no air defense can stop us.
Two Chinook helicopters followed the two stealth helicopters. This was intended so that the SEALs could make a ground escape if necessary (to be picked up nearby).
One or both of those likely picked up the other SEALs.
Thanks. hmm... then why didn't the Pakistanis shoot down the Chinooks? Got a link?
How did they fit 24 commandos, 4 pilots, a dog, a body, and retrieved materials into the remaining stealth Blackhawk? Did the military developed stealth midget commandos for this mission?
It wasn't the technical definition that got me, it was the implication that you were getting big iron performance out of small iron equipment.
Well... quite literally, that was precisely the case (on crack). The DEC VAX 11/780 was marketed as a 1 MIPS machine. The PowerPC G4 would do a MIPS year between breakfast and lunch.
Seriously, calling devices "supercomputers" reeks of either fanboyism or extreme ignorance.
I'm reminded of when Apple called Altivec capable CPUs "supercomputers." My brain wants to eat itself so it can forget such silliness.
(if Apple does this again I'm still going to be an apple fanboi, but i will face palm on the way into the Apple store.)
Except that it wasn't Apple, but the US Government. Apple just used it in commercials. The G4 (PowerPC 7400) was capable of a gigaflop, and it was this that placed it in a category where US export policy considered it a supercomputer, making it illegal to export.
Apple has been getting meaningless patents left and right
Can you provide a link to Apple-initiated frivolous patent troll lawsuits?
No, because Apple's patents are meaningless, as the text you quoted so eloquently stated.
Ah... I see. So... Apple is... really really evil for patenting ideas... no one cares about. Those bastards. They must be stopped. But... how? How can we stop this wicked out of control organization from patenting ideas that otherwise no one would ever have given a second thought... ideas... so bad... they'll never see the light of day regardless of the patent? Yeah, Woz should own up to this garbage.
Apple has been getting meaningless patents left and right
Can you provide a link to Apple-initiated frivolous patent troll lawsuits? I am unaware of any (the Samsung case is on design and a clear violation IMO... their crap is a very close copy meant to snipe iPhone sales). Apple has been collecting bizarre patents in the last ten years... but I think it is to prevent patent trolling by collecting them and then doing nothing with them, i.e. not preventing any from using them, not suing anyone over them. I think Google may be doing the same thing.
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I half expected this spitting hairs argument. So... the App Store only sells you things? It doesn't have free apps? Oh... it does have free apps... so it does sells free apps. All other package managers "sell" free apps too. And you are flatly incorrect about libraries... if a library is necessary, it is installed with the app, and all its dependencies that may be missing from the OS are also installed with the app. Basically, your argument fails when you try to distinguish between the App Store and something like Cydia. Cydia is a package manager... it is a front end for apt, and it also sells apps, tracks dependencies and installs libraries... by your argument, Cydia is NOT an app store. And I agree with you for the correct reasons... Cydia is Cydia, a package manager, App Store is App Store a package manager, and Android Market is Android Market, a package manager.
No... the issue is we've already had a name for it for 40+ years. 40 years of bliss calling software that manages packages for what it is, the venerable package manager . And then Apple had to go and name their package manager App Store, and all the retards come out of the woodwork to rename ALL package managers app store. It would be the same if we started calling all operating systems "Windows." I think if you refered to Linux this way a few vessels might pop.
Even though no one used "App Store" globally to refer to package management prior to Apple, I couldn't care less about the trademark... But now every package manager is known as an app store, instead of what it is... a package manager. This is what is retarded. Hate Apple all you want. Deny them the trademark, who cares? But its childish to do as they do if you hate them. Its fucking anathema. This particular instance of others copying Apple is far more annoying than any other time Microsoft ever copied from them.... because it's a name not a technology. This is like naming all your children "Bruce," in some misguided attempt to benefit from Bruce Lee's fame.
I mean, is this really anything more than a minor hiccup? It's pretty easy to install apps around the App Store. It's not like iOS (yet)... There's a ton of free emu's out there for Android. Pick a substitute and game on.
Its ridiculous... Apple is hated so much that even though Android Market is also known everywhere as Android Market were gonna call it App Store anyway, even though minor confusion will occur (Since when can Android users access the App Store? Can iPhones access Android Market, too?) just because it pisses Apple off. And yet... if Apple is so hated, why are the haters so eager to try and be like Apple and decide to call their proprietary package management system "App Store," too? Excuse me while I update my sources for my ubuntu app store, do some version checking with my red hat app store, and my NetBSD app store (remember pkgsrc? must be an app store, too, right?)... oh, and I better check my Windows 7 Android Market for security updates from Microsoft (does it work all ways? Can we just start using proper names for package managers interchangeably???).
As someone who fixes these things every week
I used to be like you, IT wiz, WinAdmin, Security Expert really felt like I was on top of things. But then something just hit me last week, and I realized I've been wasting my life with this... its endless and impossible. idk how anyone really believes only 5% of windows installs are infected... that's ridiculous. I'd say it's more like 5% of windows installs are not infected. Anyhoo... I've given up that impossible fight. Now I'm desalinating the entire ocean. Hey... at least its possible.
Hell, if you want to count computer scientists as scientists, they work pretty exclusively in the realm of things that were intelligently designed by teams of intelligent designers. (That is, microchips and compilers and languages and so forth.)
It is an absolute unrelated coincidence if a computer scientist ever discovers they are near or using a computer. Computer Science has nothing at all to do with computers. Computer Science is a merely a subset of Mathematics, and everyone knows mathematics isn't science (or the common phrase "math and science" would be redundant) and never had a first chance to pop into existence like physics or chemistry. Mathematics was there long, long, long before any tedious sequence of Big Bangs and Big Crunches.
Every time there's a volcanic eruption we are reminded by anti-volcanics just how dangerous volcanos are, that even with really thick gloves lava is simply too hot to handle, and no amount of safety regulations will mitigate the mortal danger they pose. When will society wise up and realize volcanos are far too unpredictable? Even if there weren't eruptions, no amount of science or development is going to make them economically viable.
I like the metaphors you use, and without understanding precisely what the reasoning behind Childs prosecution was, I'd like to examine your metaphors. In the first metaphor, Childs is the baby sitter, and the network is your kids. After you fired your babysitter, would s/he be required to tell you how s/he got your kids to behave so well? In the second metaphor, the chauffeur is Childs and the car is the network. After you fired your chauffeur, would he be required to teach you to drive?
What this guy did was criminal damage
So he's a criminal because he did his job incorrectly? Assuming he willfully violated city policy, I still don't see the line drawn between violating policy and breaking the law. When exactly did he commit the criminal act, and what exactly was it?
If he had just stuck around and worked with his employer to resolve the issue, he likely wouldn't ever have seen the inside of a jail cell.
I think I am missing something... once Childs was fired, he was no longer employed. Under what obligation was he under to continue to work with a former employer to resolve any issue?
Childs decided to commit a crime
I am still unclear on exactly what act he did that was a crime. My understanding is he was kind of uptight and not well liked, there was some power struggle in the city's IT group, and he was fired. After he was fired, they realized he held all the network keys... and when they demanded he relinquish the keys, he refused. I'm just unsure of exactly when he committed the crime.
IIRC, Child's was fired before they asked him to relinquish the keys. I don't understand how he was in any way obligated, or how he could legally be compelled, to give any response after his position was terminated. I think Child's has a rather small labor case against the city for forcing him to work without compensation after he was no longer employed.
Depends if it is concentrated and whipped up into an inferno, out of reach of fire control equipment.
Unless you know of a reactor that's several hundred feet up in the air...
Good point. I can't think of any reason why firefighters couldn't put a fire out at a burning reactor building. Oh... wait a second... there was a fire at Windscale... and Chernobyl... and Fukushima for the most part is still too hot to get near, even without a jet fuel fueled fire... but yeah, except for the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you're completely right.
Nuclear plants have concrete walls that are like 10 feet thick and the plane collapses on it self and does nothing to the wall.
What about a massive fire from burning plane fuel? What does that do to concrete and steel?
Aaaaaakiiiiiiiiraaaaaaa!!!
Well the singer, he had long hair,
And the drummer, he knew restraint.
And the bass man, he had all the right moves,
And the guitar player was no saint.
So let's go way back to the ancient times
When there were no fifty states.
And on a hill, there stands Sherman,
Sherman and his mates...
And they're marchin' through Georgia!
They're marchin' through Georgia!
They're marchin' through Georgia!
G-G-G-G-G-Georgia!
They're marchin' through Georgia!
They're marchin' through Georgia!
Marchin' through Georgia!
G-G-G-G-G-Georgia!
And there stands R.E.M.
(Oblig.) When God was handing out brains, he thought it was trains, and since he hated trains, he decided not to get one.
After reading the comments here, I firmly believe that both camps are full of assholes. I therefore abstain from joining either camp.
Like I said above, if they had sent in a chinook they would have just sling loaded the downed helicopter out of pakistan. It would have been a walk in the park for them.
I kind of wish that's they did... instead of leaving the tail assembly behind. Annoys me that there will be Chinese agents there offering Pakistan tons of money for our secret property. It would have been far cooler if there was no evidence left behind, and everyone would be left asking how the heck they did it... putting fear into our enemies, leading them to believe no air defense can stop us.
Two Chinook helicopters followed the two stealth helicopters. This was intended so that the SEALs could make a ground escape if necessary (to be picked up nearby).
One or both of those likely picked up the other SEALs.
Thanks. hmm... then why didn't the Pakistanis shoot down the Chinooks? Got a link?
How did they fit 24 commandos, 4 pilots, a dog, a body, and retrieved materials into the remaining stealth Blackhawk? Did the military developed stealth midget commandos for this mission?
It wasn't the technical definition that got me, it was the implication that you were getting big iron performance out of small iron equipment.
Well... quite literally, that was precisely the case (on crack). The DEC VAX 11/780 was marketed as a 1 MIPS machine. The PowerPC G4 would do a MIPS year between breakfast and lunch.
Seriously, calling devices "supercomputers" reeks of either fanboyism or extreme ignorance.
I'm reminded of when Apple called Altivec capable CPUs "supercomputers." My brain wants to eat itself so it can forget such silliness.
(if Apple does this again I'm still going to be an apple fanboi, but i will face palm on the way into the Apple store.)
Except that it wasn't Apple, but the US Government. Apple just used it in commercials. The G4 (PowerPC 7400) was capable of a gigaflop, and it was this that placed it in a category where US export policy considered it a supercomputer, making it illegal to export.
Apple has been getting meaningless patents left and right
Can you provide a link to Apple-initiated frivolous patent troll lawsuits?
No, because Apple's patents are meaningless, as the text you quoted so eloquently stated.
Ah... I see. So... Apple is ... really really evil for patenting ideas... no one cares about. Those bastards. They must be stopped. But ... how? How can we stop this wicked out of control organization from patenting ideas that otherwise no one would ever have given a second thought... ideas... so bad... they'll never see the light of day regardless of the patent? Yeah, Woz should own up to this garbage.
Apple has been getting meaningless patents left and right
Can you provide a link to Apple-initiated frivolous patent troll lawsuits? I am unaware of any (the Samsung case is on design and a clear violation IMO... their crap is a very close copy meant to snipe iPhone sales). Apple has been collecting bizarre patents in the last ten years... but I think it is to prevent patent trolling by collecting them and then doing nothing with them, i.e. not preventing any from using them, not suing anyone over them. I think Google may be doing the same thing.