I'm not sure I understand the point... I mean I hate Windows as much as the next *nix-lovr, but if your network is a slew of Winboxen... why make a headache for yourself? Active Directory is pretty well received, even as a proprietary LDAP implementation... will a FOSS replacement really be worth the cost savings? If most of the machines to be managed are Windows, I'd use AD for them. If its a mixed network with mostly something else, then I'd attempt to shoehorn the management of the Winboxes with whatever implementation was easiest for the majority of the machines (i.e. if 200 OS X machines & 40 Winbox, I'd use Open Directory... if 90 debian & 15 winbox, likely OpenLDAP, etc.)
You don't hate AD as much as you think you do... do what is easiest... if AD is already deployed, its probably easiest).
The 4th applies to American citizens *in* America not aything about people who are not Americans or persons (be they American or not) overseas.
Actually... The U.S. Constitution doesn't say much about "citizens." The best you can do is the 14th Amendment, also a note in Art. 4 Sec. 2, and neither make mention of how the Constitution ONLY applies to them.
Most Constitutional academics will tell you the Bill of Rights, for instance, is for ALL PEOPLE, citizen or not... and you can check the Preamble for the first three words as the best available citation for whom the document should be applicable (why not "we the citizens?").
What part of that solution required ditching all of your perfectly good XP machines? Seems like a huge waste of money to me. Especially given that VMWare player is free.
Aha! You saw through my FUD ruse. The argument went something like this... since its time to replace these machines anyway (half of my machines had already succumbed to the bad cap problems of the time), and since we have this looming problem of IE7 breaking stuff... lets replace them with machines that can duplicate the functions we need... but also will take up less of my time. Not having to keep track of antivirus and scrutinizing every security announcement saved me at least a couple hours every week.
Wow, that sounds like an awfully complex and backwards solution to the problem.
I isolated the functionality we needed, made it fast, stable, secure and self-sustaining. I admit it wasn't simple to plan, a little less complex to roll out... but nothing has been simpler since deployment.
1. It should be the goal to upgrade the code to be standards compliant, not to invest in expensive band-aids. I assume you have little or no control over this, though. This should have been done and tested before deploying IE7.
I have no control over the devs that maintain the webapps. It is what it is. But if you will recall the IE7 force deployment, many an IT staffer got caught with their pants down... it broke thousands upon thousands of lines of previously standards compliant webapp code. And only the idiots were whining "they need to update their code" to Microsoft's self-appointed new 'standard.'
2. Why not just run IE6 standalone or something?
That's what we did in the very short term. But security was an issue. For security and financial reasons we basically sacked the OS (well, sandboxed what we needed, eliminated everything else.
3. What happens when you leave the Uni. Is anyone going to have a clue how to maintain these machines? (Good job security for you, but a potential headache for your manager (which obviously you wouldn't care about, but I would think your manager would have)).
I already moved on. It took less than 10 mins to show my replacement what there was... "here's the master zip... here's the cron... here's how this works... here's what to do if something is wonky (delete, unzip)." I think you are overestimating the task.
4. Are you going to run IE6 forever?
In the sandbox? Why not? Until the webapp devs support a modern browser not much better can be done.
I had the same situation in a department at a university... right around the time IE7 was force-deployed by Microsoft. I saw it coming, so I broke Software Update. I made a proposal that was accepted to mothball ALL the Windows XP Pro workstations for OS X iMacs. I purchased a site license for Parallels, and created a custom VM with that "stripped to the bone" edition of XP Pro off TPB (reserialized with our XP site license using keyfinder). Basically the VM was a kiosk... all it would do/could do is run IE6, and the ONLY site it could load were our webapp sites. The VM was never updated, never patched, never installed any anti-spy/anti-malware/anti-virus... so the VM booted in 15 seconds on these Core 2 duo iMacs. Every evening a cron ran to DELETE the VM, and unzip a fresh VM (that brought everything back to my zeroed original custom VM). All the user saw was clicking a dock icon that would launch the VM, which was set to auto launch IE6 in kiosk mode and bring up their webapp. It works like titties, absolutely beautifully for over 2 years now. When Microsoft's grip gets tighter, I don't understand why more IT hasn't just said "fuck you Microsoft! and fuck this!" and sandboxed the precise function they need... the solutions are legion once you realize a VM can do everything real HW can do.
Just like IBM and Microsoft, there are several tiers of support for Apple's servers. It's not really fair to say you're not getting the support you desire when you could simply by upgrading your support level.
Tell you what, when you can come up with a better way to save 20% of the ink used on a printed document, then you can say it's stupid. Until then, I think it's a cleverly simple idea.
Eliminating the letters e, t, and a would save about 20% of the ink... and you could use any font you want. There. Eco font is stupid.
That's a nice prescription. Except that MacBooks no longer have firewire... so one should assume that TDM no longer works. Much more effective to boot to single user mode by holding command-s on a cold boot, typing mount -uw / at the prompt, then rm/var/db/.AppleSetupDone && reboot
and when the thing reboots set up a new administrator account.
For XP? There's no such thing. The best you can do is Microsoft's Volume Licence programme but you still need to pay per number of installs.
so... what was the site license I used for years and years when I worked at a university? I'd call up central computing services, they'd send over a CD or two, and I'd install it anywhere I wanted in the department... without any audit of how many installations there were over the years. I must have dreamt that.
But as the other guy said this guy said he was a reseller and needs to sell the licences on to third parties.
yeah. Like I'm going to read TFC from beginning to end. Who has time for that?
I just want to know: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUCKING MONEY???!!
- there were a ton of stories leading up to the spectrum auction, and so few after... and the built up suspense about all those hundreds of billions of dollars...
After the nearly $1 trillion bailout, I'm really curious what our government has done with this windfall money from the auction. It's a windfall because it cost the government NOTHING, so the monies are PURE profit... where did it go? What watchdog group is paying attention/tracking it?
There are still some of us left that don't think the primary goal of every linux distro is to become a clone of the Windows desktop.
Well, you're almost wrong. Had you left off that last word, you'd be completely wrong. That's what Linux is, the savior of casualties of Windows. If Windows breaks it, Linux fixes it. If Windows actually innovates (a lotta good stuff really does come out of R&D South), then Linux matches the innovation, usually within weeks. Linux and Windows are kind of like in that eternal grip with each other the way Lazerus and his paranoid twin were (are?) from that one episode of TOS.
nor is it compatible with Macs from before the Intel transition.
Well, that's what Apple said, but surprise surprise, the iPhone dev tools work just fine on PPC (Tiger & Leopard), which means you can get into it on the cheap... or whatever a 2002 PPC Mac goes for these days.
well... that's a real photograph of a real preteen girl naked... and... are her hands bound? Does this image have any artistic value beyond the attempt at arousal? Then WTF is child pornography?
the result was large numbers of teen driving fatalities as people cross the border to drink. We don't need the same situation happening with marijuana.
Actually, that won't happen. Many balk at the fact that there are no cases of stoners getting into fatal car accidents... but they fail to realize just how difficult it is to fatally hit a (moving) tree at 10mph.
Your child is interested in you, what your interests are. If you give him something that you don't use, he will lose interest fast. You are a father and, presumably, a husband... NOTHING IS YOURS ANYMORE. Get over your materialism, and let him play on your computer.
Neat video. But each Connections episode starts with some piece of technology, and traces it back to its almost surprising and seemingly unrelated origins. This starts with the LED... and traces back to the origins of the LED. No fantastic and surprising connections there. About the only true similarities I see is that The LED narrator and James Burke apparently share the same hairstylist and optomitrist.
Again? I remember Linux already killed AIX c.2000, or IBM stopped selling AIX, and pushed Linux. AIX came back. That was then, and server market. So....When did AIX enter the desktop market?(I thought it ran CDE??) Linux has come a long way since AIX died the first time. Something tells me its not quite dead this time either, however.... Surely this is the year of the linux desktop!!
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Your post seems to suggest you believe English is a Romantic language. It is in fact a Germanic language.
I'm not sure I understand the point... I mean I hate Windows as much as the next *nix-lovr, but if your network is a slew of Winboxen... why make a headache for yourself? Active Directory is pretty well received, even as a proprietary LDAP implementation... will a FOSS replacement really be worth the cost savings? If most of the machines to be managed are Windows, I'd use AD for them. If its a mixed network with mostly something else, then I'd attempt to shoehorn the management of the Winboxes with whatever implementation was easiest for the majority of the machines (i.e. if 200 OS X machines & 40 Winbox, I'd use Open Directory... if 90 debian & 15 winbox, likely OpenLDAP, etc.)
You don't hate AD as much as you think you do... do what is easiest... if AD is already deployed, its probably easiest).
The 4th applies to American citizens *in* America not aything about people who are not Americans or persons (be they American or not) overseas.
Actually... The U.S. Constitution doesn't say much about "citizens." The best you can do is the 14th Amendment, also a note in Art. 4 Sec. 2, and neither make mention of how the Constitution ONLY applies to them.
Most Constitutional academics will tell you the Bill of Rights, for instance, is for ALL PEOPLE, citizen or not... and you can check the Preamble for the first three words as the best available citation for whom the document should be applicable (why not "we the citizens?").
What part of that solution required ditching all of your perfectly good XP machines? Seems like a huge waste of money to me. Especially given that VMWare player is free.
Aha! You saw through my FUD ruse. The argument went something like this...
since its time to replace these machines anyway (half of my machines had already succumbed to the bad cap problems of the time), and since we have this looming problem of IE7 breaking stuff... lets replace them with machines that can duplicate the functions we need... but also will take up less of my time. Not having to keep track of antivirus and scrutinizing every security announcement saved me at least a couple hours every week.
you're my kind of troll... lets see...
Wow, that sounds like an awfully complex and backwards solution to the problem.
I isolated the functionality we needed, made it fast, stable, secure and self-sustaining. I admit it wasn't simple to plan, a little less complex to roll out... but nothing has been simpler since deployment.
1. It should be the goal to upgrade the code to be standards compliant, not to invest in expensive band-aids. I assume you have little or no control over this, though. This should have been done and tested before deploying IE7.
I have no control over the devs that maintain the webapps. It is what it is. But if you will recall the IE7 force deployment, many an IT staffer got caught with their pants down... it broke thousands upon thousands of lines of previously standards compliant webapp code. And only the idiots were whining "they need to update their code" to Microsoft's self-appointed new 'standard.'
2. Why not just run IE6 standalone or something?
That's what we did in the very short term. But security was an issue. For security and financial reasons we basically sacked the OS (well, sandboxed what we needed, eliminated everything else.
3. What happens when you leave the Uni. Is anyone going to have a clue how to maintain these machines? (Good job security for you, but a potential headache for your manager (which obviously you wouldn't care about, but I would think your manager would have)).
I already moved on. It took less than 10 mins to show my replacement what there was... "here's the master zip... here's the cron... here's how this works... here's what to do if something is wonky (delete, unzip)." I think you are overestimating the task.
4. Are you going to run IE6 forever?
In the sandbox? Why not? Until the webapp devs support a modern browser not much better can be done.
[webapps.... only supports IE6]
I had the same situation in a department at a university... right around the time IE7 was force-deployed by Microsoft. I saw it coming, so I broke Software Update. I made a proposal that was accepted to mothball ALL the Windows XP Pro workstations for OS X iMacs. I purchased a site license for Parallels, and created a custom VM with that "stripped to the bone" edition of XP Pro off TPB (reserialized with our XP site license using keyfinder). Basically the VM was a kiosk... all it would do/could do is run IE6, and the ONLY site it could load were our webapp sites. The VM was never updated, never patched, never installed any anti-spy/anti-malware/anti-virus... so the VM booted in 15 seconds on these Core 2 duo iMacs. Every evening a cron ran to DELETE the VM, and unzip a fresh VM (that brought everything back to my zeroed original custom VM). All the user saw was clicking a dock icon that would launch the VM, which was set to auto launch IE6 in kiosk mode and bring up their webapp. It works like titties, absolutely beautifully for over 2 years now. When Microsoft's grip gets tighter, I don't understand why more IT hasn't just said "fuck you Microsoft! and fuck this!" and sandboxed the precise function they need... the solutions are legion once you realize a VM can do everything real HW can do.
Do you have any links about the better support programs?
1) Mac OS X Server Maintenance Program
2) Mac OS X Server Software Support This has 3 levels of support.
3) AppleCare Premium Service and Support Plan
Just like IBM and Microsoft, there are several tiers of support for Apple's servers. It's not really fair to say you're not getting the support you desire when you could simply by upgrading your support level.
Tell you what, when you can come up with a better way to save 20% of the ink used on a printed document, then you can say it's stupid. Until then, I think it's a cleverly simple idea.
Eliminating the letters e, t, and a would save about 20% of the ink... and you could use any font you want. There. Eco font is stupid.
That's a nice prescription. Except that MacBooks no longer have firewire... so one should assume that TDM no longer works. Much more effective to boot to single user mode by holding command-s on a cold boot, typing /var/db/.AppleSetupDone && reboot
mount -uw /
at the prompt, then
rm
and when the thing reboots set up a new administrator account.
...activity that will peak in 2012 as sunspots hit their maximum level.
Could this be what the Mayan's were on about?
Ever heard of a "site license?"
For XP? There's no such thing. The best you can do is Microsoft's Volume Licence programme but you still need to pay per number of installs.
so... what was the site license I used for years and years when I worked at a university? I'd call up central computing services, they'd send over a CD or two, and I'd install it anywhere I wanted in the department... without any audit of how many installations there were over the years. I must have dreamt that.
But as the other guy said this guy said he was a reseller and needs to sell the licences on to third parties.
yeah. Like I'm going to read TFC from beginning to end. Who has time for that?
I glue set mousetraps upsidedown to the inside underside of my desk drawers.
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I just want to know:
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUCKING MONEY???!!
- there were a ton of stories leading up to the spectrum auction, and so few after... and the built up suspense about all those hundreds of billions of dollars...
After the nearly $1 trillion bailout, I'm really curious what our government has done with this windfall money from the auction. It's a windfall because it cost the government NOTHING, so the monies are PURE profit... where did it go? What watchdog group is paying attention/tracking it?
Links plz!
...I bought 20 more copies...
Ever heard of a "site license?"
There are still some of us left that don't think the primary goal of every linux distro is to become a clone of the Windows desktop.
Well, you're almost wrong. Had you left off that last word, you'd be completely wrong. That's what Linux is, the savior of casualties of Windows. If Windows breaks it, Linux fixes it. If Windows actually innovates (a lotta good stuff really does come out of R&D South), then Linux matches the innovation, usually within weeks. Linux and Windows are kind of like in that eternal grip with each other the way Lazerus and his paranoid twin were (are?) from that one episode of TOS.
The dev kit is $0
nor is it compatible with Macs from before the Intel transition.
Well, that's what Apple said, but surprise surprise, the iPhone dev tools work just fine on PPC (Tiger & Leopard), which means you can get into it on the cheap... or whatever a 2002 PPC Mac goes for these days.
I think the question you should ask yourself is:
"Do I want to be a computer scientist, or do I want to be a programmer?"
well... that's a real photograph of a real preteen girl naked... and... are her hands bound? Does this image have any artistic value beyond the attempt at arousal? Then WTF is child pornography?
the result was large numbers of teen driving fatalities as people cross the border to drink. We don't need the same situation happening with marijuana.
Actually, that won't happen. Many balk at the fact that there are no cases of stoners getting into fatal car accidents... but they fail to realize just how difficult it is to fatally hit a (moving) tree at 10mph.
Your child is interested in you, what your interests are. If you give him something that you don't use, he will lose interest fast. You are a father and, presumably, a husband... NOTHING IS YOURS ANYMORE. Get over your materialism, and let him play on your computer.
Neat video. But each Connections episode starts with some piece of technology, and traces it back to its almost surprising and seemingly unrelated origins. This starts with the LED... and traces back to the origins of the LED. No fantastic and surprising connections there. About the only true similarities I see is that The LED narrator and James Burke apparently share the same hairstylist and optomitrist.
Again? I remember Linux already killed AIX c.2000, or IBM stopped selling AIX, and pushed Linux. AIX came back. That was then, and server market. So....When did AIX enter the desktop market?(I thought it ran CDE??) Linux has come a long way since AIX died the first time. Something tells me its not quite dead this time either, however....
Surely this is the year of the linux desktop!!
And I downloaded the summary and all the comments too! wtf?