This hardware support thing crops up every time Be is mentioned in slashdot, regardless of the nature of the post. Other favourites are "They won't second guess apple so they must be rubbish" and "There arn't any applications". Just go out and buy a supported video card! What - do you expect a OS that has only been on the intel for eighteen months to be able to match Windows? Buy a supported video card, get BeOS and you'll never have to worry again!
Have you ever used Irix? Or BeOS itself? THat moment where you get the feeling "This is how I want the world to be". I'd never used Windows when I got it on disks with my first PC. We used DOS for months, and hten I decided to install Windows. I was amazed you could move the mouse while the hdd was being accessed. BeOS is that just over existing Win32 that win16 was over DOS. You justh ave to see it in multiprocessor mode to know. I have a dual P2-350... and when I upgraded the speed in crease to NT (which I also had installed then) was very slight. Very slight. But BeOS became able to play 20 MP3s at once without maxing out the chips. It really takes advantage of the second processor like you wouldn't believe. The consistent interface is a nice change from linux too (I hate fvwm95 more than anything else on this earth).
Well... I went out and bought a new video card (Millenium II) and haven't looked back. There are always problems like this when changing periferal cards. I remember my Diamon card not working for ages with linux back around 0.97 or whenever I first started using it...
The multimedia speed is there, but I didn't like the interface, nor the networking, nor the lack of decent apps for it.
Um... well... you can change parts of the interface quite a bit... what can you not like that much to turn you off the whole OS? If you want, you can run it all just from the command line... what can you not like? Please don't rattle off that tired crap about there being a lack of apps. Quake2/3. E-Pictuer. CivCTP. There are no shortage of apps for it, and in development. Simcity 3000. Gobe Productive. Be Basics. Sheepshaver (for you lucky PowerPC owners:) ) If you want to see a selection of them, check out http://www.be.com and go to the store link. If you want to see the freeware available already, go to http://www.be.com/beware
Yup. Say what you like about apple. they're bastards for what they've tried to do to Be. Bsatards for what they're doing with the quicktime codecs. Bastards in general. But they know their stuff, and they *really* know what consumers want. Whereas everything Microsoft has ever got has been through back dealing and wars of attritious marketing.
Wasn't that the aim of Desqview/X ? Or was that entirely different? What was the deal with desq/kview anyway? I've always heard it was excellent, way better than Win16 while running the same apps but never got to see it except once when glancing at a really old Byte magazine.
Also, I've recently picked up a copy of Digital Pathworks 32 which was going at auction. Nobody would bid at 40. Nobody at 20. Not 10, not five. Some guy offered 2, I immediately raised it to 4 and it was all mine. All mine I tell you! MWUHAHAHahahahah. Anyway, that runs unix applications on Win32 across a network. I'm not sure what else it does or whether it will actually be useful because it's swotvac and I haven't yet had a proper chance to play with it yet.
It's probably not the best solution, but somebody could take down his webserver. And then send an email to the admin saying - this isn't on, please deal with it. Or better still, email to owner of the weserver telling of the problem, and if he doesn't kill the site, then take down the webserver with extreme prejudice...
There's a really key point here. It *does* really cost money to give someone a copy of software. You take time developing a piece of software. That's bloody expensive. Why should you *have* to just give it all away for somebody else to make money off should they want to? I think that's stuffed. Open Source is good, but some of you guys talk about it as a religion. Which is sort of stupid, because I think religion can be stuffed, and fundamentalism is stuffed. So get ti together you loonies!
Why should Be reverse engineer the platform. Compare intel to Apple. One has been very encouraging and moving away from MS (intel) the other has been anal and making deals with MS (Apple). As far as I'm concerned that's about as close as you can get to an accurate scale of karma, and it would seem to indicates that Apple will burn in the pyres of hell. (IMHO)
Why should Be help out Apples sales? If they develop the greatest operating system yet devised for Apple's platform, then they are helping out Apple. Much better to make the move to the Digital Alpha platform the next priority, rather than piss-fart around trying to be partners with a company that's being recalcitrant.
How can people support Apple and Linux at the same time, anyway? Apple are into closed systems and proprietary habits.
Let me restate my case: Apple are bastards. Bastards. They suck. They have cool hardware, and closed minds, are friends with Microsoft, and they suck.
I'm a consumer who was quite happy to choose intel to keep using Be, and I am not alone.
hehe yup. And by that line, Be was born of the wicked stepfather:) (I'm should state that I'm a zealotry BeOS user, btw, it's my only OS as of last week:) ) I read somewhere that Gasse and Jobs had some big fallouts about the time that Jobs left Apple the first time...
Apple are just like Gravis were with sound cards. They develop incredible products, based on an innate understanding of their consumers... except they completely screw up the software side of things and as a result suck (I used to be a zealotry Gravis owner and was digusted by the way they pissed their talent up against the wall while proudly crowing "If you look carefully you can see I've written my name").
I wish that every time Be got brought up on slashdot some dickhead wouldn't rave on about the fact they don't run on Apple (and that realistically they can't) - if it did I would have bought an G3 when I last upgraded, but I am now more than happy with my dual p2 x86 box and Be. If you've got a problem, then flame Jobs about it and if you're lucky you'll get an arrogent reply.
It's really strange. But the amazing thing about datacentres is the contained environemnt. A couple of times at my former employer's I managed to do the middle 6 hours of a nightshift naked. It feels really strange, typing away, with the heating up full bore, but it's sort of cool. I didn't do it much though. My worst nightmare would have been dropping off and only beeing waken by a relief (or the arrival of the office staff), so I didn't make a habit of it. I can recomend it though. It's very sensual.
Sorry aboutthat last one... my browser has done something *wierd*...
I don't think it will have the staying power of other great comedy movies like Ghostbusters and Caddyshack because it dates itself too much to the 90's with the songs and the jokes etc.
I'm not so sure. It's more a testament to the time, and I think people will appreciate that. Half the in-jokes in the first one were partly lost on me because, for example, they don't sell lucky charm breakfast cerials in Australia (we got Kelloggs baby). But at the same time, it's so ridiculous that you laugh anyway. You have a valid point - Python continues to be funny today. Whereas the D-Generation, Late Show (not Larry's) or Good News Week - both in their time have been incredible funny Australian shows, but often with current politics and news as their focus, which will make them lose their sting with time.
But then, people still read Swift's A Modest Proposal and Gullivers Travels both of which are primarily political satires, so perhaps there's hope for Austin Powers yet:)
I really hope they do something godo with the next movie. A really good thing would be if they made a prequal to the original Austin Powers, where they show a conflict between British Intelligence and the Unger Ground Laaaiiirr - Austin vs Dr Evil in their original time and place. Hopefully with touches of the original James Bond movies, combined with 60s cliches. Have them at France '68 or something:):) (It may be too complex for an AP movie, but imagine if Austin started the 68 riots as a plan to destabilise France just because in tradition the French and British do that to eeach other as much as possible.:) ) With two movies to reflect on, any blast to the past would really rock.
to the original Austin Powers, where they show a conflict between British Intelligence and the Unger Ground Laaaiiirr - Austin vs Dr Evil in their original time and place. Hopefully with touches of the original James Bond movies, combined with 60s cliches. Have them at one of the key concerts or in Czecaslovakia or France '68 or something:):) (It may be too complex for an AP movie, but imagine if Austin started the 68 riots as a plan to destabilise France just because in tradition the French and British do that to eeach other as much as possible.:) ) With two movies to reflect on, any blast to the past would really rock. Plus they can plug the prequal thing:)
I cannot think of a movie turned into an episode-based series that has worked. Ever. They're all terrible. Same goes for cartoons of the movie. The Fugitive worked in the other direction. Some people would say Lost in Space and others have qworked in the other direction. But that's it. Just imagine the formula they would write to in a series... So repetative, such a stain on the memory of the movies...
Are you kidding? Compiled java is one of the best things to have happened to the computing industry ever! It takes its style from the greatest programming language of all time - C, adds OO onto it beautifully, and does all the groovy ada95-like stuff (exception handling, memory nanny, etc).
As for interpreted java... well... it's a different field I suppose. But would stuff like webmeasure be possible without it? Also, little apps done well in java are really nice. The problem is that people have always thought of java as just a beefy web scripting language... which is a bad thing.
I was thinking last night about just how cool it would be if you could get a mini version of Be ala Windows CE. CE is bad because it is built (I am lead to believe) as a cut down version of NT (which doesn't have the most... eloquent... design philosophy). Be could be nice cut down...
I've been thinking also how cool it would be to get a palm machine and stuff around with assembler on it to the point of creating a mini-OS. I really love those little machines from the perspective that they're simpole enought to be able to do quite cool stuff with and feel constructive at the same time - just look at the PalmPilot linux project:)
That is a bad analogy. Linux himself keeps a tight leash on the linux kernel because he doesn't want fragmentation. There has been an update on the blender situation - if you're interested, look through past stories in beoscentral.
I agreed with what he had to say about Operating Systems. I think both the Open Source and commercial models are effective. Irix is another really nice OS that was made commercially. I use Be almost exclusively now. Things I found special about it were: the performance it pulls out of my dual processor machine, the way I can run my webserver off it so happily (but I wish there were php3 support!), the matroxwerx C IDE which I use for uni, the security of the fact that nobody else knows what the hell this Be thing is and so script kiddies are screwed.
I really like Be. It's a lot of what Windows isn't in terms of stability, speed and just general 'niceness'. The community is really good too. You can email the senior management of Be and get a friendly reply within two days: now that's service.
It's also a really excellent OS for teaching people about OS theory. I sat my father down with it and didn't have to tell him much to get started, and he's learnt heaps. That's like blood from a stone for people over 35.
Just for fun - hold down the left ctrl+shift+alt and click oin the Be button. You get a new option in the menu:):) I like Mac:):) Freaks out people I show it to on my intel:)
Hell yes! I'm an (mini-)award-winning ameter Australian actor living in Adeliade, if you're listening! (Be listening!) I want the part! I want the part! Come to my my friend!
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This hardware support thing crops up every time Be is mentioned in slashdot, regardless of the nature of the post. Other favourites are "They won't second guess apple so they must be rubbish" and "There arn't any applications". Just go out and buy a supported video card! What - do you expect a OS that has only been on the intel for eighteen months to be able to match Windows? Buy a supported video card, get BeOS and you'll never have to worry again!
Have you ever used Irix? Or BeOS itself? THat moment where you get the feeling "This is how I want the world to be". I'd never used Windows when I got it on disks with my first PC. We used DOS for months, and hten I decided to install Windows. I was amazed you could move the mouse while the hdd was being accessed. BeOS is that just over existing Win32 that win16 was over DOS. You justh ave to see it in multiprocessor mode to know. I have a dual P2-350... and when I upgraded the speed in crease to NT (which I also had installed then) was very slight. Very slight. But BeOS became able to play 20 MP3s at once without maxing out the chips. It really takes advantage of the second processor like you wouldn't believe. The consistent interface is a nice change from linux too (I hate fvwm95 more than anything else on this earth).
Well... I went out and bought a new video card (Millenium II) and haven't looked back. There are always problems like this when changing periferal cards. I remember my Diamon card not working for ages with linux back around 0.97 or whenever I first started using it...
The multimedia speed is there, but I didn't like the interface, nor the networking, nor the lack of
:) ) If you want to see a selection of them, check out http://www.be.com and go to the store link. If you want to see the freeware available already, go to http://www.be.com/beware
decent apps for it.
Um... well... you can change parts of the interface quite a bit... what can you not like that much to turn you off the whole OS? If you want, you can run it all just from the command line... what can you not like?
Please don't rattle off that tired crap about there being a lack of apps. Quake2/3. E-Pictuer. CivCTP. There are no shortage of apps for it, and in development. Simcity 3000. Gobe Productive. Be Basics. Sheepshaver (for you lucky PowerPC owners
Yup. Say what you like about apple. they're bastards for what they've tried to do to Be. Bsatards for what they're doing with the quicktime codecs. Bastards in general. But they know their stuff, and they *really* know what consumers want. Whereas everything Microsoft has ever got has been through back dealing and wars of attritious marketing.
Wasn't that the aim of Desqview/X ? Or was that entirely different? What was the deal with desq/kview anyway? I've always heard it was excellent, way better than Win16 while running the same apps but never got to see it except once when glancing at a really old Byte magazine.
Also, I've recently picked up a copy of Digital Pathworks 32 which was going at auction. Nobody would bid at 40. Nobody at 20. Not 10, not five. Some guy offered 2, I immediately raised it to 4 and it was all mine. All mine I tell you! MWUHAHAHahahahah. Anyway, that runs unix applications on Win32 across a network. I'm not sure what else it does or whether it will actually be useful because it's swotvac and I haven't yet had a proper chance to play with it yet.
It's probably not the best solution, but somebody could take down his webserver. And then send an email to the admin saying - this isn't on, please deal with it. Or better still, email to owner of the weserver telling of the problem, and if he doesn't kill the site, then take down the webserver with extreme prejudice...
There's a really key point here. It *does* really cost money to give someone a copy of software. You take time developing a piece of software. That's bloody expensive. Why should you *have* to just give it all away for somebody else to make money off should they want to? I think that's stuffed. Open Source is good, but some of you guys talk about it as a religion. Which is sort of stupid, because I think religion can be stuffed, and fundamentalism is stuffed. So get ti together you loonies!
>:)
Why should Be reverse engineer the platform. Compare intel to Apple. One has been very encouraging and moving away from MS (intel) the other has been anal and making deals with MS (Apple). As far as I'm concerned that's about as close as you can get to an accurate scale of karma, and it would seem to indicates that Apple will burn in the pyres of hell. (IMHO)
Why should Be help out Apples sales? If they develop the greatest operating system yet devised for Apple's platform, then they are helping out Apple. Much better to make the move to the Digital Alpha platform the next priority, rather than piss-fart around trying to be partners with a company that's being recalcitrant.
How can people support Apple and Linux at the same time, anyway? Apple are into closed systems and proprietary habits.
Let me restate my case: Apple are bastards. Bastards. They suck. They have cool hardware, and closed minds, are friends with Microsoft, and they suck.
I'm a consumer who was quite happy to choose intel to keep using Be, and I am not alone.
>I mean that was Steve's second child.
:) (I'm should state that I'm a zealotry BeOS user, btw, it's my only OS as of last week :) ) I read somewhere that Gasse and Jobs had some big fallouts about the time that Jobs left Apple the first time...
hehe yup. And by that line, Be was born of the wicked stepfather
Apple are just like Gravis were with sound cards. They develop incredible products, based on an innate understanding of their consumers... except they completely screw up the software side of things and as a result suck (I used to be a zealotry Gravis owner and was digusted by the way they pissed their talent up against the wall while proudly crowing "If you look carefully you can see I've written my name").
I wish that every time Be got brought up on slashdot some dickhead wouldn't rave on about the fact they don't run on Apple (and that realistically they can't) - if it did I would have bought an G3 when I last upgraded, but I am now more than happy with my dual p2 x86 box and Be. If you've got a problem, then flame Jobs about it and if you're lucky you'll get an arrogent reply.
Are you kidding? Most of the guys would have felt priviledged. But I've take your advice on board.
It's really strange. But the amazing thing about datacentres is the contained environemnt. A couple of times at my former employer's I managed to do the middle 6 hours of a nightshift naked. It feels really strange, typing away, with the heating up full bore, but it's sort of cool. I didn't do it much though. My worst nightmare would have been dropping off and only beeing waken by a relief (or the arrival of the office staff), so I didn't make a habit of it. I can recomend it though. It's very sensual.
Sorry aboutthat last one... my browser has done something *wierd*...
:)
:) :) (It may be too complex for an AP movie, but imagine if Austin started the 68 riots as a plan to destabilise France just because in tradition the French and British do that to eeach other as much as possible. :) ) With two movies to reflect on, any blast to the past would really rock.
I don't think it will have the
staying power of other great comedy movies like Ghostbusters and Caddyshack because it dates itself
too much to the 90's with the songs and the jokes etc.
I'm not so sure. It's more a testament to the time, and I think people will appreciate that. Half the in-jokes in the first one were partly lost on me because, for example, they don't sell lucky charm breakfast cerials in Australia (we got Kelloggs baby). But at the same time, it's so ridiculous that you laugh anyway. You have a valid point - Python continues to be funny today. Whereas the D-Generation, Late Show (not Larry's) or Good News Week - both in their time have been incredible funny Australian shows, but often with current politics and news as their focus, which will make them lose their sting with time.
But then, people still read Swift's A Modest Proposal and Gullivers Travels both of which are primarily political satires, so perhaps there's hope for Austin Powers yet
I really hope they do something godo with the next movie. A really good thing would be if they made a prequal to the original Austin Powers, where they show a conflict between British Intelligence and the Unger Ground Laaaiiirr - Austin vs Dr Evil in their original time and place. Hopefully with touches of the original James Bond movies, combined with 60s cliches. Have them at France '68 or something
to the original Austin Powers, where they show a conflict between British Intelligence and the Unger Ground Laaaiiirr - Austin vs Dr Evil in their original time and place. Hopefully with touches of the original James Bond movies, combined with 60s cliches. Have them at one of the key concerts or in Czecaslovakia or France '68 or something :) :) (It may be too complex for an AP movie, but imagine if Austin started the 68 riots as a plan to destabilise France just because in tradition the French and British do that to eeach other as much as possible. :) ) With two movies to reflect on, any blast to the past would really rock. Plus they can plug the prequal thing :)
Don't say that! :)
I cannot think of a movie turned into an episode-based series that has worked. Ever. They're all terrible. Same goes for cartoons of the movie. The Fugitive worked in the other direction. Some people would say Lost in Space and others have qworked in the other direction. But that's it. Just imagine the formula they would write to in a series... So repetative, such a stain on the memory of the movies...
Are you kidding? Compiled java is one of the best things to have happened to the computing industry ever! It takes its style from the greatest programming language of all time - C, adds OO onto it beautifully, and does all the groovy ada95-like stuff (exception handling, memory nanny, etc).
As for interpreted java... well... it's a different field I suppose. But would stuff like webmeasure be possible without it? Also, little apps done well in java are really nice. The problem is that people have always thought of java as just a beefy web scripting language... which is a bad thing.
- C
How come everybody seems to have 4.5 except me? :(
Yeah! And the ones with any sense will settle on vi! :p
I was thinking last night about just how cool it would be if you could get a mini version of Be ala Windows CE. CE is bad because it is built (I am lead to believe) as a cut down version of NT (which doesn't have the most... eloquent... design philosophy). Be could be nice cut down...
:)
I've been thinking also how cool it would be to get a palm machine and stuff around with assembler on it to the point of creating a mini-OS. I really love those little machines from the perspective that they're simpole enought to be able to do quite cool stuff with and feel constructive at the same time - just look at the PalmPilot linux project
Excuse me while I rant.
Yeah :) Hacker's the man when it comes to the BeOS. :)
Yup! Proxy is available. I've had it working and it's luveryly, if simple. Check out http://www.deltanet.com/users/axly/
:)
I just wish (this is the third time I've written it today) I could get a php3 engine for a beos webserver.
That is a bad analogy. Linux himself keeps a tight leash on the linux kernel because he doesn't want fragmentation. There has been an update on the blender situation - if you're interested, look through past stories in beoscentral.
I agreed with what he had to say about Operating Systems. I think both the Open Source and commercial models are effective. Irix is another really nice OS that was made commercially. I use Be almost exclusively now. Things I found special about it were: the performance it pulls out of my dual processor machine, the way I can run my webserver off it so happily (but I wish there were php3 support!), the matroxwerx C IDE which I use for uni, the security of the fact that nobody else knows what the hell this Be thing is and so script kiddies are screwed.
:) :) I like Mac :) :) Freaks out people I show it to on my intel :)
I really like Be. It's a lot of what Windows isn't in terms of stability, speed and just general 'niceness'. The community is really good too. You can email the senior management of Be and get a friendly reply within two days: now that's service.
It's also a really excellent OS for teaching people about OS theory. I sat my father down with it and didn't have to tell him much to get started, and he's learnt heaps. That's like blood from a stone for people over 35.
Just for fun - hold down the left ctrl+shift+alt and click oin the Be button. You get a new option in the menu
- C
Hell yes! I'm an (mini-)award-winning ameter Australian actor living in Adeliade, if you're listening! (Be listening!) I want the part! I want the part! Come to my my friend!