My first instinct is to agree with you... but then on deeper thought I feel that such people are visionaries... and may perhaps achieve something great.
That is probably what people said of Sir Isaac Newton when he did his work on gravity between 2 bodies in latin... what a waste of time.
And stuff in it forms the foundation of much of modern day engineering. (I'm talking differentiation and integration).
I agree there that it should have read between google and yahoo. Hardly anyone I know uses the msn search... I don't have stats but the people I talk to either yahoo or google.
I do both... put the same search string into both... for text searches they are equal. Stuff like "Jotun cathodic protection" or "wellstream flexible end fittings" will turn up good matches on both... but google image search is still miles ahead of yahoo!
One other thing to note is the article mentiones that "plans to give away key search technologies for corporate data retrieval that use concepts and facts instead of simpler "keyword" searches relied upon by consumer Web companies such as Google Inc."
The fact that both google and yahoo can turn up meaningful stuff for "wellstream flexible end fittings" may mean they already have such capabilities... or perhaps it means that keyword searches are just as effective.
Google has no competitors in terms simplicity and results.
I have been road trialing both Google and Yahoo search for about 2 weeks now. Whenever I want to find something I do the exact same search string in both.
Google DOESN'T always come out on top.
For example try
"clough engineering perth"
Yahoo is spot on!
The conclusion then is Google and Yahoo are just as good - Google however seems to be more well known to the general public!
I agree with u there... I know heaps of people who do the same...
I think that sometimes these virus protection s/w companies try to use scare tactics to improve their sales.
They are basically showing the WORST case scenario... someone who is absolutely clueless and opens every e-mail coming into the inbox even if it says:
"Nigerian Billionare on the run and needs your help"
Yes, but in large companies the decision makers are of course the executives...
And of course they are NOT going to cut their own salaries...
So then the other alternative is get rid of some workers...
It is unfortunately the way corporations work.
>sometimes things just gotta be paid for!
This ABSOLUTELY TRUE!
The thing to understand is with the Open Source Movement... PAYMENT is not formalized as dollars. It has become voluntary with ppl in the community contributing as they wish...
And I believe this is what forums like slashdot are on about as well. Ppl contribute stuff and when they run into a problem they in turn receive help!
It is a new way of doing things... the complete opposite of the Micro$oft way... and I think it can work!
Your reasoning is sound... not saying you are wrong...
But then what if the Universal Intelligent designer just is without beginning... without end... just as I think of the space where the universe exists to be there... before the universe and then after...
This is not a concept I fully grasp and I don't any one does... but then just because no one can fully grasp it doesn't mean to say it isn't true.
Eg my pet dog... I don't think he fully grasps all aspects of my existence... but then it don't mean they are not true!
It seems to me that the article left out one very important thing that open source can learn from proprietary software, (namely M$ software)
UNITY.
Everything moves along harmoniously and there is no infighting and disagreements... at least to the general public.
But I mean I just read on slashdot that the open source foundations are now arguing over GPL and some other open source license.
Yes... indeed it will be hacked to bits by hackers as you say... but now... one hack takes one set of data.
while before one hack would take all data on the database!!!
also user takes responsibility for protecting their own data and can do stuff like taking the computer offline when not in use... which is a bloody effective way to stop a hacker:)
While my knowledge of Open Source isn't as good as I would like it to be (being a M$ developer myself... unfortunately)
it seems from a lot of the posts that Debian is blotted and slow to release.
In answer to the number of packages Debian maintains... it could be a relatively small number of the extremely dedicated. It also seems to confirm the bloat factor.
It's the application!
From the argument that you lay out below the above comment... it seems more like it is both the application and the OS.
A good application on a crap os is no good.
The other way around is no good either!
And for general office productivity... I hate to say it... but Microsoft Office on Windows XP is tops...
Agreed.
But sometimes, through circumstances a person without a degree gets into a job and the employer uses the lack of degree as a weapon against salary/promotion benefits to the person.
Having worked with one such person (who could easily have done the job of 90% of qualified IT engineers) but didn't have a degree I can say that what I just mentioned does happen.
So to be on the safe side, if you can go to a perstigious uni - do it, to be on the safe side.
So in the final analysis I think it fair to say that MS is simply stalling the impending demise of the OS business untill they can come up with another money maker scheme to fill the billion $ + gap they see coming.
Well, technically that is what should happen. But history has shown that it isn't always the technically superior solution that wins out but the one with the best marketing firepower... unfortunately.
Now Open Source and M$ stand locked in a stalemate... who will win I wonder?
To bloody right!
That's the whole problem with hollywood these days... sequels and sequels of sequels and each one more crap than the last...
At least Peter Jackson was gutsy enough to go do something a bit different with LOTR and he reaped the rewards of it!
That too is a valid point...
What would be interesting to note would be what is the proportion of CVS to RCS to SubVersion to Source Safe users out there!
I just checked out subversion... it does seem a more sensible idea than going off on a tanget like darcs...
Still I reckon that is how innovation happens ppl trying out new things!
Slashdot Mirror
My first instinct is to agree with you ... but then on deeper thought I feel that such people are visionaries ... and may perhaps achieve something great.
... what a waste of time.
That is probably what people said of Sir Isaac Newton when he did his work on gravity between 2 bodies in latin
And stuff in it forms the foundation of much of modern day engineering. (I'm talking differentiation and integration).
And here is a piece of info that shows the increase in downloads doesn't mean an increase in market share by the browser.
PCworld article
I agree there that it should have read between google and yahoo. Hardly anyone I know uses the msn search ... I don't have stats but the people I talk to either yahoo or google.
... put the same search string into both ... for text searches they are equal. Stuff like "Jotun cathodic protection" or "wellstream flexible end fittings" will turn up good matches on both ... but google image search is still miles ahead of yahoo!
... or perhaps it means that keyword searches are just as effective.
I do both
One other thing to note is the article mentiones that
"plans to give away key search technologies for corporate data retrieval that use concepts and facts instead of simpler "keyword" searches relied upon by consumer Web companies such as Google Inc."
The fact that both google and yahoo can turn up meaningful stuff for "wellstream flexible end fittings" may mean they already have such capabilities
Google has no competitors in terms simplicity and results.
I have been road trialing both Google and Yahoo search for about 2 weeks now. Whenever I want to find something I do the exact same search string in both.
Google DOESN'T always come out on top.
For example try "clough engineering perth" Yahoo is spot on!
The conclusion then is Google and Yahoo are just as good - Google however seems to be more well known to the general public!
I agree with u there ... I know heaps of people who do the same ...
... someone who is absolutely clueless and opens every e-mail coming into the inbox even if it says:
I think that sometimes these virus protection s/w companies try to use scare tactics to improve their sales.
They are basically showing the WORST case scenario
"Nigerian Billionare on the run and needs your help"
Would be for engineers to marry nurses :)
Then the world would once again be a happy place
Yes, but in large companies the decision makers are of course the executives ...
And of course they are NOT going to cut their own salaries ...
So then the other alternative is get rid of some workers ...
It is unfortunately the way corporations work.
And by doing show they would still demonstrate to the watching world the same as was listed in the initial post!
ppl == people!
>sometimes things just gotta be paid for! ... PAYMENT is not formalized as dollars. It has become voluntary with ppl in the community contributing as they wish ...
... the complete opposite of the Micro$oft way ... and I think it can work!
This ABSOLUTELY TRUE!
The thing to understand is with the Open Source Movement
And I believe this is what forums like slashdot are on about as well. Ppl contribute stuff and when they run into a problem they in turn receive help!
It is a new way of doing things
Your reasoning is sound ... not saying you are wrong ...
But then what if the Universal Intelligent designer just is without beginning ... without end ... just as I think of the space where the universe exists to be there ... before the universe and then after ...
This is not a concept I fully grasp and I don't any one does ... but then just because no one can fully grasp it doesn't mean to say it isn't true.
Eg my pet dog ... I don't think he fully grasps all aspects of my existence ... but then it don't mean they are not true!
and I also believe all politicians are honest and truthful
It seems to me that the article left out one very important thing that open source can learn from proprietary software, (namely M$ software) ... at least to the general public.
But I mean I just read on slashdot that the open source foundations are now arguing over GPL and some other open source license.
UNITY.
Everything moves along harmoniously and there is no infighting and disagreements
Yes ... indeed it will be hacked to bits by hackers as you say ... but now ... one hack takes one set of data.
while before one hack would take all data on the database!!!
also user takes responsibility for protecting their own data and can do stuff like taking the computer offline when not in use ... which is a bloody effective way to stop a hacker :)
While my knowledge of Open Source isn't as good as I would like it to be (being a M$ developer myself ... unfortunately)
it seems from a lot of the posts that Debian is blotted and slow to release.
In answer to the number of packages Debian maintains ... it could be a relatively small number of the extremely dedicated. It also seems to confirm the bloat factor.
It's the application! From the argument that you lay out below the above comment ... it seems more like it is both the application and the OS.
A good application on a crap os is no good.
The other way around is no good either!
And for general office productivity ... I hate to say it ... but Microsoft Office on Windows XP is tops ...
Agreed. But sometimes, through circumstances a person without a degree gets into a job and the employer uses the lack of degree as a weapon against salary/promotion benefits to the person. Having worked with one such person (who could easily have done the job of 90% of qualified IT engineers) but didn't have a degree I can say that what I just mentioned does happen. So to be on the safe side, if you can go to a perstigious uni - do it, to be on the safe side.
So in the final analysis I think it fair to say that MS is simply stalling the impending demise of the OS business untill they can come up with another money maker scheme to fill the billion $ + gap they see coming. ... unfortunately.
Now Open Source and M$ stand locked in a stalemate ... who will win I wonder?
Well, technically that is what should happen. But history has shown that it isn't always the technically superior solution that wins out but the one with the best marketing firepower
To bloody right! That's the whole problem with hollywood these days ... sequels and sequels of sequels and each one more crap than the last ...
At least Peter Jackson was gutsy enough to go do something a bit different with LOTR and he reaped the rewards of it!
That too is a valid point ...
What would be interesting to note would be what is the proportion of CVS to RCS to SubVersion to Source Safe users out there!
I just checked out subversion ... it does seem a more sensible idea than going off on a tanget like darcs ...
Still I reckon that is how innovation happens ppl trying out new things!
I have use CVS (and believe it or not ... I am ashamed to even say it I am now a source safe man)
... why would one not rewrite CVS to make it better instead of running off and doing a new version control system in some obscure language?
Anyways
After all CVS is established, been debugged for years by tonnes of users.
Ah I agree!