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Lord British on Personal Spaceflight

FleaPlus writes "The Space Review has an interview with Richard Garriott (aka "Lord British"), best known as the creator of the genre-defining Ultima series of role playing games. In the interview he talks about his current work as the vice chairman of Space Adventures, and his thoughts on private-sector spaceflight in general. It includes an anecdote about how he funded the initial Russian studies which opened the door for Dennis Tito, Mark Shuttleworth, and Gregory Olsen's flights to the International Space Station, but was unable to go himself after the late-90s stock market bubble burst."

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  1. MOD UP by CHESTER+COPPERPOT · · Score: 5, Funny
    "asdfasdfasdfasd"

    Clearly this isn't some off topic first post troll. It is more likely an alien race trying to communicate to us via well known alphabet letters about the perils of space travel. Clearly on topic.

    1. Re:MOD UP by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      I've seen that on my screen more times I can count. Finally someone recognizes me as the legitimate leader of the Earth!

      On a related note, can anyone translate "aoeuaoeuaoeu"? It's got me stumped.

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  2. Sorry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    but that space ship out in the field in Ultima VII doesn't do anything, oh wait, what is this article about?

    1. Re:Sorry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well this is off-topic, but I see many responses referring to Ultima Online, but Ultima was around LONG before that. These are some great games to get into if your're bored. Wikipedia has some history on the series. Here are some FOSS versions (although in most cases you still have to buy/own the original):

      Ultima IV (freeware) with the XU4 engine.
      Ultima VI with the Nuvie engine.
      Ultima VII with the Exult engine.
      Ultima VIII with the Pentagram engine.
      Ultima Underworld with the UWADV engine.
      Ultima Underworld II with the LOW engine.

      Most of these, and the ones I didn't mention can be played with DOSBox. My favorites are Ultima V and Ultima VII. And for good measure here is a free game that doesn't have anything to do with any of this, but it still kicks ass, Star Control 2.

    2. Re:Sorry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it does! It plays Kilrathi (sp?) music :)

    3. Re:Sorry... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Actually it triggers the Kilrathi theme (since it's a Kilrathi fighter).

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  3. wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    omg wtf i rtfa and lmao... BFD! aamof wafwot!

    (oh my god i read the fucking article and laughed my ass off... BIG FUCKING DEAL! as a matter of fact, what a fucking waste of time)

    1. Re:wtf by f3773t · · Score: 0

      My first instinct is to agree with you ... but then on deeper thought I feel that such people are visionaries ... and may perhaps achieve something great.
      That is probably what people said of Sir Isaac Newton when he did his work on gravity between 2 bodies in latin ... what a waste of time.
      And stuff in it forms the foundation of much of modern day engineering. (I'm talking differentiation and integration).

  4. 200k by lockefire · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that 200k is a fair price. They do bring up some interesting points. If 10% of American's want to go there should definitely be a market...

    1. Re:200k by JonN · · Score: 4, Interesting

      10% of American's want to go there...But can even 5% or even more even afford to? The biggest issue is cost, which is definatly not effective at this time.

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    2. Re:200k by JonN · · Score: 1

      *or even less

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    3. Re:200k by lockefire · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, there are 7.5 million millionaires in the US with $11 trillion in assets who need to spend their money on something. This looks like a very good option to me and I think our upperclass would flock to it much like luxury cruising in the 30s.

    4. Re:200k by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A millionaire doesn't necessarily have US$1,000,000 of disposable income. After taxes, tending to his/her beach house, going to Europe, paying kids' tuitions and maintaining 3 SUV's, probably no person whose worth is below $2 million can afford a trip to space. The high life costs a lot, especially for those who can spare the cash.

      Most of those millionaires already have set their priorities on extravagant socializing and keeping up with the Joneses. Dear god, we can't appear middle class.

    5. Re:200k by patio11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      World Socialist News probably didn't mention that most of America's millionaires aren't rich, just comfortable -- they own their own house in a good neighborhood and have a retirement nest egg (honestly, if you have two professional incomes coming in its hard not to hit a million in assets sooner or later). That doesn't compute with "And now we can empty Suzy's college fund to blow $200,000 on a weeklong vacation for one in space! Whee!"

    6. Re:200k by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1
      sure, I want to do it. Sure it'd be cool to go on a space flight.

      but it's not $200,000 worth of cool to most people.

    7. Re:200k by databyss · · Score: 1

      That's what loans and a lifes worth of debt are for!

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    8. Re:200k by Jaruzel · · Score: 2

      Money doesn't make you Upper Class, Money just makes you a richer-version-of-your-original class.

      It saddens me when I see all these $1m lottery winners on TV. It's not that they have won the jackpot, it's that they are all invariably, ignorant lower-class inbred pig-fiddling swamp-living hik looking idiots living in trailers. What a waste of $1m.

      Hmm, hang on, maybe it is all about the money...

      -Jar.

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    9. Re:200k by ghjm · · Score: 1

      Having a net worth of $1 million doesn't even mean living the high life. Picture a middle class household with an annual income of $60,000. They certainly can't afford a beach house and 3 SUV's, although they aren't missing any meals, either. Suppose Dad had a traumatic experience as a youth and tends to worry about money and retirement. Consequently, he's been saving $15,000/year since he was 25. (His neighbors, who live better than he does but pay $15,000/year on their second mortgage and maxed-out credit cards, think he's a bit weird and offputting.)

      By the time he's 55 he can reasonably expect to have a balance of around $1 million in his retirement fund. Given that he probably also has some equity in his house, etc., he probably became a "millionaire" (e.g., more than $1 million net worth) around age 50.

      Can he afford a trip to space? Sure, if he wants to accept the consequent reduction in his retirement income. But he worked all his life to put that retirement account together; he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would blow it on (what is essentially) a three-day bender.

      If you want to find space tourists, you have to look for people who are not merely millionaires, but who also have the disposition and ability to *spend* bucketloads of money. This means you're in the $10mm-and-up range, of which there are far fewer people.

      -Graham

    10. Re:200k by lgw · · Score: 1

      A million dollars gives you just $50K/year or so conservatively invested, after inflation and taxes. Hard to have a very elaborate lifestyle on $50k/year, especially if you're buying your own health insurance.

      A million, if you're single, is about enough to let you tell your boss what you think of him, but it's not enough to retire early on if you have a family. It's a good start, though, and anyone can save that much in 40 years or so (depending on income), if that's your priority, and not be dependent on Social Security.

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    11. Re:200k by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      5% of Americans can afford to spring for tickets for the other 95%.

    12. Re:200k by jcr · · Score: 1

      Most of those millionaires already have set their priorities on extravagant socializing and keeping up with the Joneses.

      Actually, I find that that behavior is much more prevalent among the middle class than the rich, and even there, not many people bother. Most of the rich people I know (engineers who did well in the '80's and '90's) live quite modestly.

      -jcr

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    13. Re:200k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "And now we can empty Suzy's college fund to blow $200,000 on a weeklong vacation for one in space! Whee!"

      I think you're a little confused. $200,000 will not buy a person a week in space. It won't even buy an hour. It will only buy a short sub-orbital flight that includes a few minutes of weightlessness.

    14. Re:200k by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Living modestly is the KEY to becoming rich if one does it with salary. Only assets that accumulate wealth on their own can make someone rich to the point that they can live extravagantly, and most people that understand this, never would -- they'd reinvest their earnings into more income-producing assets.

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  5. Gotta Love the Russians! by phobos13013 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But the Russian answer was more interesting. They said something like, "Well no! To even see what would be involved with that kind of mission would cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars just to see how we would do it, then to actually do it would be millions more!" So, the door was opened.

    Of course the US says no way no how if its not our way its the highway. The Russkies say rather slyly, oh no we could never it would cost this much... We couldnt afford that, and come on who could our fine American friend? There is nothing that the right amount wont get you in Russia. Whether legally or illegally or that lovely gray area in-between. Some might call it corruption (i tend to call it that when its illegal or hazardous) but i like to call it the TRUE land of opportunity!

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    1. Re:Gotta Love the Russians! by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Well, of course Russia is more capitalistic than the socialist USA...

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    2. Re:Gotta Love the Russians! by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      Why is it corruption to be open to new commercial ideas? To me it's more evidence that NASA is a fossilised bueuracracy. Of course the Russians being strapped for funds have a great motivator to be open minded, but still. That's sort of the point: if NASA was forced to operate with less lavish budgets, new possibilites might suddenly "appear".

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    3. Re:Gotta Love the Russians! by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Informative
      To me it's more evidence that NASA is a fossilised bueuracracy. Of course the Russians being strapped for funds have a great motivator to be open minded, but still. That's sort of the point: if NASA was forced to operate with less lavish budgets, new possibilites might suddenly "appear".

      Read the CAIB Report, specifically Volume 1, Chapter 5 Section 5.3 entittled "An Agency Trying to do Too Much with Too Little." The Board found problems with NASA... beurocracy is certainly a large part of it. A lavish budget is not.
    4. Re:Gotta Love the Russians! by salesgeek · · Score: 1

      The Board found problems with NASA... beurocracy is certainly a large part of it. A lavish budget is not.

      This is typical of blue ribbon panel reports: lets not cut to the chase and instead blame bureucrats and organization inefficiencies for a very simple bad decision. NASA is too big and can't focus any longer. The best thing that could happen is either breaking NASA up into smaller more focused agencies or eliminating all the cruft. Neither of these are going to be easy because allmighty funding is involved.

      NASA succeeded before it became a behemouth.

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    5. Re:Gotta Love the Russians! by demachina · · Score: 1

      "A lavish budget is not."

      The CAIB report is not gospel. It is just another bureaucratic committee coming from a different angle.

      It glosses over the fact NASA has spent over a $100 billion on the ISS due to both political interference and just plain bad management. The price tag just to keep the ISS and Shuttle going until 2010 and maybe finish ISS if they are lucky is $60 billion according to Mike Griffin's congressional testimony before he became administrator.

      By comparison he cites the total cost for the entire Apollo program as $130 billion in today's dollars. Apollo started from scratch and actually did something, versus the $160 billion or so for the baby steps it took to build the ISS and it does nothing.

      Griffin's optimistic assessment for return to the moon is $25 billion. The amount allocated for CEV, return to moon and other new launch vehicles through 2010 is less than that allocated just to keep the ISS and Shuttle jobs program going.

      Another thing about NASA's budget problem is they are a job's program and everyone knows it. Its how they get their congressional support, by putting high quality jobs in the districts of their congressional backers especially in Florida, Texas, Utah and Mississippi. It takes at least 6,000 people to keep the Shuttle program going, whether it flies or not, not counting all the contractors that build parts. If Griffin tries to cut back the Shuttle/ISS jobs program to rein in costs he is going to run in to serious fricition from Congress. As a result he may be forced to maintain the employment levels of the status quo so he can never rein in costs.

      I think I can just as easily say NASA, the agency that does to little with to much, at least as far as their manned space program goes. The Russians are the ones who do a lot with very little.

      All that said when you see George W. squandering hundreds of billions on the misguided war in Iraq then yes NASA's budget is chicken feed by comparison. But, I'm very afraid if you gave NASA a budget of $50-100 billion a year the ways they would find to squander it would sicken. I suspect Mike Griffin might be a good manager, though it remains to be seen, but the entrenched career bureaucrats and contractors at NASA have a proven track record for squandering money to no good end.

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  6. No, no, it's all about PURE SCIENCE... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1
    Of course the US says no way no how if its not our way its the highway...

    Well, maybe. I always thought it had more to do with the United State's wanting to stay on the High Road of space exploration and scientific research... into military technology (for the benefit of mankind, of course).

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    1. Re:No, no, it's all about PURE SCIENCE... by phobos13013 · · Score: 1

      Well if mankind = US Military, then yes!

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  7. Private Sector is already hot on the ball by lightyear4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    His honor Lord British may not have been able to front the cash when the bubble burst, but the $200k pricetag is a cost that break the bank of most everyone. Relative to current launch costs (upwards of $500 million for STS), $200k is a hell of a bargain. Rutan and his Scaled Composites is merely one of many private space initiatives with an eye defiantly set on the future. Space offers extreme opportunities in manufacturing, research, power generation, medical studies, propulsion research, materials science, and a multitude of other investment possibilities. I fully expect R&D of today will within a decade become reality.

    We're at the very very beginning of an explosion of space-based enterprise; private spaceflight will be fueled first by corporate interests, and then, with costs more manageable for all, and only then, will the dream of visiting space be realized.

    I, for one, eagerly await that day.

    1. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by AaronLawrence · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Space offers extreme opportunities in manufacturing, research, power generation, medical studies, propulsion research, materials science, and a multitude of other investment possibilities.

      Same old, same old. It doesn't really offer any of these things. Space isn't a magical fairy land where energy is free and the laws of physics are different. If anything, I think the various space stations have shown that there isn't anything particular exciting to make or research in space, just an awful lot of work, energy and technology even to just stay alive, or get there and back.

      The one big thing it does offer is that lots of people want to go there: tourism and adventure. Hence the only things showing signs of commercial life are tourism and adventure companies.

      I too want to go to space, but I have come to accept that there isn't anything particular interesting to DO there. Science Fiction made it all seem very exciting but most of those things don't seem likely to happen: warp drives, exotic but livable planets, aliens, new technologies.

      Possibly in the far distant future terraforming and colonisation, but the economics have to change before that will happen on a significant scale (ie. big enough to be self-sustaining if Earth goes away).

      I suppose that it would be possible to do some propulsion research like nuclear drives, but for that we have to get out of orbital space (for safety) and be able to build things entirely in space - something that hasn't happened at all yet.

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    2. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Informative
      The one big thing it does offer is that lots of people want to go there: tourism and adventure. Hence the only things showing signs of commercial life are tourism and adventure companies.

      Except, you know, communications and earth observation. That's where 99% of the "signs commercial life" go. It's only a trillion dollar industry, nothing big or anything.

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    3. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by IllForgetMyNickSoonA · · Score: 1

      > I fully expect R&D of today will within a decade become reality.

      I've been listening to this for decades already, but haven't seen much happen. Kistler? Beal? Roton/DeltaClipper? All nice tries, especially the last one, which - in the end - all went the way of the dodo. SS1? Well, a notable first step, but not yet much more than that.

      > I, for one, eagerly await that day.

      I'm sad to say this, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    4. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by IllForgetMyNickSoonA · · Score: 1

      I think he was talking about manned space exploration, not satellite business.

    5. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Which is just another reduce the scope so you have an argument strategy.

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    6. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      Fair point, but I think we all understand we are talking about things beyond what we do now, ie. reasons for advancing beyond more satellites.

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    7. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by IllForgetMyNickSoonA · · Score: 1

      TFA was about sending people into space after all, wasn't it?

    8. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by esonik · · Score: 1

      Well, space offers a nice view. Certainly a motive for tourists. Why would you go to Grand Canyon or Ayers Rock?
      What can you DO in space? Sure you cannot surf a wave..but a space hike, the experience of low gravity is definitely interesting. I am pretty sure that sooner or later some crazy guys will find a way to have fun in space.

      One problem I see: (space) tourism doesn't really create value, like for example building a house does. You literally blow the money into the air/space. Only as a side effect you help space industry to build up. Compared to serious space industry, like satellite deployment or space based observation the return is rather small.

    9. Re: Private Sector is already hot on the ball by gidds · · Score: 1
      His honor Lord British...

      'His honour'? He's not a judge!

      'Lord British' is a stupid name anyway, but if you're going to legitimise it by using the standard form of address, then either 'Lord British' or 'His lordship' (not both) would probably be the correct form.

      (And yes, I spell it 'honour' coz I am British, damnit!)

      Given which, it's probably an anticlimax to say that I agree with your main points :)

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    10. Re: Private Sector is already hot on the ball by ghjm · · Score: 1

      I think lightyear4 may have been trying to say "The honorable Lord British." Which is a perfectly appropriate form of address for a somewhat-but-not-extremely reputable individual like a member of the House of Commons, significant mayor, minor gentry, local elected cheese-grater, etc.

      I do not believe there has been much discussion among the peerage of the correct style and title of address for the dictator-for-life of a pretend kingdom.

      Also, I agree that, as a name, "Lord British" is just dumb on its face. Why not have other UO characters called "Senator American" and "Marquis French."

      -Graham

    11. Re:Private Sector is already hot on the ball by demachina · · Score: 1

      "Space offers extreme opportunities"

      You are really overstating your case for things to do in space. Its really bad to undertake something as expensive as space exploration with naive dreaming about the payoff.

      Their is a payoff in tourism certainly. Colonization on Mars has a payoff. Mining may eventually be worthwhile especially when Earth's resources achieve serious scarcity though that its a long ways off before the payoff justifies the enormous expense.

      The one thing space exploration offers is somewhat intangible. Its a frontier to be explored which appeals to a certain type of person. Outside of the depths of the oceans the Earth is almost completely devoid of frontiers. Climbing Mt. Everest is no longer much of an accomplishment.

      I am glad to say that Burt Rutan, Scaled Composites and Transformational Space are already working on for the LEO successor to SpaceShipOne. They are working on a shoestring budget from NASA for the CXV program, a lesser known counterpart to the CEV program. CXV is intended to develop a low cost, reliable, safe, launch vehicle to get crews to and from the ISS or elsewhere in LEO.

      Like SpaceShipOne this vehicle is air launched though from a much larger mother ship so there is no expensive launch complex. The capsule is derived from the Discover/Corona capsules used to return film from spy satellites and is a very well understood design. It has an innovative new heat shield, will deploy parachutes and water land like Apollo. The capsule is reusable. It is very focused on safety, reliability and low cost which is exactly what we need at the moment for a manned vehicle.

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    12. Re: Private Sector is already hot on the ball by lightyear4 · · Score: 1

      I think - perhaps - that i was being facetious, given the absurdity of the title.

    13. Re: Private Sector is already hot on the ball by ghjm · · Score: 1

      Writing facetiously is not an excuse for writing badly. In fact, writing correctly is even more important when you are trying to be funny, particularly if you hope to succeed. Which, I am sorry to have to say, you did not.

      -Graham

  8. Inevitable Ultima Comments by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 4, Informative
    First, I think the interview attributes spaceflight as part of the wrong Ultima. Ultima III has "underwater" activity, but it's Ultima ][ that uses the Russian rocket program and has the reference to his dad Owen Garriot looking for his shuttle. Ultima I has a small bit of space flight in shuttles. And of course someone will mention the crashed alien spacecraft in a farmer's field in the later Ultima, but that has even less to do plot wise other than being an in-joke about another Origin title.

    Richard Garriot has always been a hero of mine for his ability to make a cool game, feed his family, and pay for his computer education with his series of Ultima titles. Probably most others don't share this perspective. But even though I do regret the consumption of Ultima into nothing more than yet another corporate brand of Electronic Arts, I do have a small bit of nostalgia for the guy who created it even if the modern game does nothing for me today.

    It is cool to see someone spending their dot com bubble money on things other than fancy cars.

    1. Re:Inevitable Ultima Comments by Triple+Click · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe not cars, but he does have a sweet house:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Manor

    2. Re:Inevitable Ultima Comments by michaeldot · · Score: 1

      Interesting, thanks for posting the link. It made me think maybe he should also have been mentioned in the previous article about people mixing reality and MMORPGs:

      The manor's medieval design reflects Garriott's interest in the era. The house is adorned with various medieval items such as crossbows, swords, and armour. It features traps and a network of secret passages and rooms. A secret room in the basement contains some of Garriott's most treasured artifacts, including dinosaur fossils, a coffin with a human skeleton inside it, and an authentic 16th century vampire hunting kit.

      Very cool house!

    3. Re:Inevitable Ultima Comments by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      Hey, that's really interesting! Good to see someone who kept his sense of fun while becoming wealthy, and built something entertaining. I would love to visit... secret passages, excellent...

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    4. Re:Inevitable Ultima Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Ultima: Martian Dreams?

  9. Hats off to LB for helping average folk into space by alexwcovington · · Score: 1

    Now let's get out there and get killl us some Rathi.

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  10. Not really. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Interesting
    but the $200k pricetag is a cost that break the bank of most everyone

    I don't think so. 200k is well within the reach of many many Americans (and other nationalities as well). People here spend near that on collections of toys all the time, and at least in Western Washington State, 200k is well below the average price of a 3 bedroom house. People think nothing of financing a $70,000 car, add to that a nice boat, a vacation to some beach or Europe... 200k is peanuts.

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    1. Re:Not really. by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      i don't know what land of milk and honey you live in, but i'm quite well off and even i would have to go well into hooky to pay for a $200k space flight, and it would mostly be a debt that would take the rest of my life to pay off.

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    2. Re:Not really. by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      Well, don't try buying a house or car here in Wa state! But sure, not many can pull 200k out of their pockets, but it's not an astronomical number either.

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    3. Re:Not really. by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but i'm quite well off and even i would have to go well into hooky to pay for a $200k space flight, and it would mostly be a debt that would take the rest of my life to pay off.

            Then you're not "quite well off", are you? Let's not kid ourselves. Those who are really "quite well off" do not need to go into debt for this. The problem is merely one of justification, not financing.

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    4. Re:Not really. by stridebird · · Score: 1
      it's not an astronomical number either.

      You're right. It's more a sub-orbital number.

    5. Re:Not really. by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      If you have to go significantly into debt to get US$200K then you can't truly say that you are quite well off.

      Well off perhaps, but for quite well off then you'd be dropping $200K as a downpayment on a house or a cool car.

    6. Re:Not really. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      Literate? Has health care? Owns a home and vehicle?

      Compared to most of the world, he's living a life of incredible ease.

      Compared to a handful of billionaires, he's struggling.

      As one of the people who aspires to maintain access to decent healthcare and housing, all I can say is that space tourism is comparable to the space-race insofar as the benefits it will provide me will largely be serendipitous. (Unlike those elements of the space program driven by research.) I will probably never be able to afford space travel. The fact that I will also never starve or go homeless still allows me to say that I am "well off."

  11. Quest of the Avatar by craXORjack · · Score: 1
    TSR: Will you emigrate to space?

    Garriott: When I was young, I used to say that I would immediately take the opportunity to leave for deep space and never return. I still believe that. I'd want to be sure that my journey would be safe, and that it the journey was to achieve a worthy goal, but I would go in a heartbeat!

    But first he has to get that eighth part avatar and find out what the true axiom is.

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    1. Re:Quest of the Avatar by Kaorimoch · · Score: 1

      Us Avatars can't let slip that axiom. It took me months of dedicated U4 playing to get that far.

    2. Re:Quest of the Avatar by craXORjack · · Score: 1

      But if you don't tell me I'll have to play from now to infinity
      ;)

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  12. Re:Hats off to LB for helping average folk into sp by nuclearpenguins · · Score: 2, Informative

    YOu bring back such fond memories of long hours in front of the screen shouting out loud "Ok, just one more mission!" I miss Origin. They started the entire big-budget gaming industry.

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  13. Re:Hats off to LB for helping average folk into sp by alexwcovington · · Score: 1

    Indeed. It's sad to hear LB got out just a bit too late, at that. But at least he's still getting stuff behind the scenes!

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  14. If he was smart by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    He could have coded a backdoor into Ultima Online, and milked out hundreds of thousands of dollars of online gold. Just like Bill Gates has Skynet programmed on all windows boxes in case his plan for world domination ever gets out.

  15. xXx by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Meh, get off the space ship and make us Autoduel II Rich!

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    1. Re:xXx by Elbereth · · Score: 1

      That wasn't Lord British. That was Chuckles, in what I recall was his first solo venture (Wing Commander didn't come until a few years later).

      Anyways, Autoduel wasn't that great. A good Car Wars game would be awesome, though. Imagine the potential for destruction and mayhem on a modern PC, rather than the Apple IIe. I'd kill for a good, modern vehicle combat game.

    2. Re:xXx by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 1

      That wasn't Lord British. That was Chuckles, in what I recall was his first solo venture (Wing Commander didn't come until a few years later).

      All right, we'll call it a draw.

      Anyways, Autoduel wasn't that great. A good Car Wars game would be awesome, though. Imagine the potential for destruction and mayhem on a modern PC, rather than the Apple IIe. I'd kill for a good, modern vehicle combat game.

      Yes indeed, it's a gaming concept that's long-overdue.

      '/snubs his nose at the topic nazis

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    3. Re:xXx by SilverspurG · · Score: 1

      I was hoping that someone would mention Chuckles. Thank you very much. :)

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    4. Re:xXx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps this is what you're looking for... http://www.autoassault.com/index.html

  16. Long term business model for space tourism? by dal20402 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Sure, every rich joe (and plenty of joes who hope to become rich) will want to hitch a ride into space. But once they all have done it (and, yeah, I know that will take quite a few years), what happens next?

    Space tourism seems to me like it might end up being more of a fad than anything else unless we can make space an actual destination... in other words, space stations or bases on $celestial_body that can be used as resorts...

    (or at least really expensive restaurants... heh).

    1. Re:Long term business model for space tourism? by DrCode · · Score: 1

      I think you just predicted the future, if this all works out.

    2. Re:Long term business model for space tourism? by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a stepping stone. There's all these business models that you can do to make a profit, gain experience and drive down the price of space access which people are pursuing now. Everything from launching people's remains into space as a secondary payload (cheap to do, and LOTS of people will pay for it), to suborbital and orbital space tourism, to satellite constellation based radio, broadband access, and tracking. Then there's the guys at the top of the spectrum. Orbital Recovery are developing a space tug to interface with communications satellites and extend their revenue-producing lifetimes beyond original specifications. The space tug is a critical part of space infrastructure. If you want to build a space hotel at the ISS and drag it out to the L1 point (where Earth and Luna gravity meets) you'll need a space tug. Once you've got that in place you're half way to the moon. It's not conceivable to build massive landers in space, with enough equipment to extract oxygen from the luna soil (or that water they keep talking about) and boost it up. That reduces the amount of oxygen that needs to be brought up from earth which reduces the costs for your space tourists. Now that you've got a presence on the moon you can go prospecting. All those craters on the moon, each one created by a planet killer, most of them contain vast amounts of precious metals. Most notably the Platinum Group Metals. If you're on the moon anyways, you might as well pick them up, process em and send em back to earth where they can be used in fuel cells, jewelry and Carmack style monoprop rockets which are capable of single stage to orbit, reducing the costs of space access yet again. And so it goes and so it goes. It's not the Saturn V, flags and footprints space exploration of our parents generation, or the triple stage tractor factory military operations of Wernher van Braun, but eventually the commercialisation of space will result in enough people living and working in space that we can claim with a straight face that our society is interplanetary.

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    3. Re:Long term business model for space tourism? by rhizome · · Score: 1

      But once they all have done it (and, yeah, I know that will take quite a few years), what happens next?

      Space tourism seems to me like it might end up being more of a fad than anything else unless we can make space an actual destination


      What's wrong with a fad? It won't end there, time and ideas will march on once people know what to expect. History tells us that there are early adopters, then a critical mass becomes interested (which is sometimes denigrated as a fad), then enough people have experience to figure out new things to do with the idea. It's no big deal, and nobody's come up with a practical way to just jump from zillion dollar personal trips to Phloston Paradise. It takes a "once they have all done it" to build upon the experience.

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    4. Re:Long term business model for space tourism? by Weirsbaski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, every rich joe (and plenty of joes who hope to become rich) will want to hitch a ride into space. But once they all have done it (and, yeah, I know that will take quite a few years), what happens next?

      Well, what do Hawaii, Cancun, and Paris do now that everybody who wants to has already visited?

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    5. Re:Long term business model for space tourism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just like luxury cruises. I mean, some rich people will get on boats, sail around for a bit, and then what?

      Its just a passing fad.

    6. Re:Long term business model for space tourism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With luck, some of those fucks will burn up on re-entry, and the world will change for the better.

  17. Personal spaceflight won't happen in our lifetimes by kcbrown · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    ...on any meaningful scale and of any meaningful kind, at least.

    Modern governments are too interested in power and control over the population to allow people to be able to escape their grasp so easily and permanently.

    Space is the last frontier. Modern governments will want to maintain tight control over who goes there and why, because space potentially goes well beyond their reach.

    That's why I don't think we'll see any meaningful manned presence in space for a long, long time (much longer than a human lifetime, at least), unless it's strictly military or strictly dependent on earth for survival.

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  18. lord british wants to go to space? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Funny

    well that's easy

    on the felucca shard there's a portal northwest of yew

    just watch out for the orc camp near there

    walk around the portal twice, then enter from the southwest

    voila: outer space

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  19. Re:Personal spaceflight won't happen in our lifeti by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Modern governments are too interested in power and control over the population...

          Power IS control of the population...

    If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. - George Orwell

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  20. he should have said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fixed from TFA:

    TSR: Do you think you will be one of the first ten paying passengers into orbit?

    Garriott: I know not.

  21. How can we take anyone seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can we take anyone seriously who still goes by the name "Lord British"?

    I mean, the guy can call himself "Peter Pan with an Itch" for all I care, but I don't go to him for advice about anything.

    Even the Russians didn't take him seriously; they just got some money out of the guy.

  22. Nothing matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Nothing matters, Mary, when you're free."

  23. Re:Oh really. by tonsofpcs · · Score: 1

    Crashes on Ultima??? When? I have never seen an Apple II crash when a good diskette is inserted.

  24. Spaceflight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously you're mixing up what the article is talking about with the space-shuttle sequence in Ultima 1.

  25. Re:Oh really. by tonsofpcs · · Score: 1

    Update: I dug through my piles of Apple II diskettes and found Ultima III. I will be playing it on a IIgs and/or a //c (depending on which room I decide to sit down in, I have one of each hooked up, see my username if you are still confused), and trying to get it to crash for the next week.

  26. My interview is better by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Two for the price of one, and it answered THE burning question with regards to Lord British.

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23377

    Strangely, after that fateful day by the pool last May, neither Garriot or Spector will get within 100 yards of me, restraining order or no.

                -Charlie

  27. Cars and houses are tangible assets by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $200k is within so many people's reach for a house because banks will lend people money to buy one. It's a tangible asset they can take ownership of if the buyer stops making mortgage payments. Space flight isn't something that can be taken back and resold to pay off bad debt, it will be very hard to convince a bank to give you a loan for it.

    There are many *many* more people who can qualify for a $200,000 mortgage than can afford to blow $200k in cash on a space vacation.

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    1. Re:Cars and houses are tangible assets by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      With well over 7 MILLION millionares in the US, I don't see an issue with 200k.

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    2. Re:Cars and houses are tangible assets by tgd · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind its not particularly hard to be a millionaire.

      If you made $35k a year and bought a house ten years ago around here, you'd be a millionaire now.

      If you make $100k/year, and invest wisely, even lacking a real-estate bubble having $1m in assets isn't terribly hard.

      What would be VERY hard is being a millionaire and having $200k in liquid capital you can access easily and afford to lose.

      To afford $200k, you're talking about having a VERY large pool of investments where using it might be a percent or less drop in your holdings, or having a very high income. Someone making $25k a month can probably justify saving for a trip like that if their other assets are used responsibly, but I know pleanty of people who are millionaires and would be hard pressed to scrape up $1k/month to put towards something like that.

      So don't put too much faith in that 7 million figure. The percentage of those who have the kind of money you think being a millionaire entails is very very small. 1% maybe.

    3. Re:Cars and houses are tangible assets by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      I'm one of the people trying to build a company around this - and let me tell you, I would be overjoyed at getting 1% of the 7 million people. Work the numbers: 1% of 7 million is 70,000. 70,000 times $200,000 is $14,000,000. $14 M is plenty to finance the initial work - and then the price will come down!

      Personally, I don't think it will work that way. I think a lot of the draw to a space excursion is the fact that no one has done it before - once lots of people have done it, the market will fall off. The real money to be made is in space shipping, not space airliners. (Fortunately, people are working on both!)

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    4. Re:Cars and houses are tangible assets by lgw · · Score: 1

      Well, it's just a matter of priorities. A million isn't enough to spend $200k on a whim, but it's enough to spend $200k on something quite important to you. Move into a smaller house, cut down on the toys, whatever. Assuming you're still working and have revenue to replace the earnings on that $200k, that is.

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    5. Re:Cars and houses are tangible assets by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      This is my point. A trip into space is not going to be your yearly vacation trip, it's a "trip of a lifetime". If you are worth a few million, you can shake free the 200k if you really want to go.

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    6. Re:Cars and houses are tangible assets by lgw · · Score: 1

      Given that there are on the order of 10 million people who could afford this if they *really* wanted it, I do think that makes for a substanital market, even if the percentage is low. I like that.

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  28. Oh My God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is anyone interested in what someone with the supreme lack of originality (Lord British? I've never been able to believe that) of Richard Garriott thinks on this matter? He's not an expert; I don't believe he even has much scientific or engineering training or experience. Why are Slashdotters interested?

    1. Re:Oh My God by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Son of an astronaut. Counts for something. Somewhere.

    2. Re:Oh My God by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about?

      Ultima IV was considered one of the most revolutionary computer games of its day. Before "Quest of the Avatar", most of the genre was made up of "kill the monster, gain a level, and go out and kill some more." Garriott attempted to add role-playing to the mix, and he largely succeeded, given memory limitations.

  29. 2nd Generation Spacer by frankmu · · Score: 1

    if he makes it into space eventually, will he be the first 2nd generation astronaut?

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  30. Re:Oh really. by SilverspurG · · Score: 1
    and found Ultima III
    Which is about the greatest fantasy adventure game put together. Especially the soundtrack. I still remember the main screen tune, it still plays in my head, and it still gives me goosebumps.
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  31. I thought he was assassinated! by front · · Score: 1, Informative

    WTF? I thought 'e was dead.. did'nt I?!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_British#Assassin ation_of_Lord_British

    cheers

    front

  32. Lord British... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    In space, no one can hear you scream when you get assassinated -- again. :P

  33. Re:What a boring story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is actually one of the most famous game producers in the world, with a most respective list of games behind him. The Ultima series (of which Ultima Online shares the same lore of) is one of, IMHO, the best games ever created. UO, of which he put down the foundation for, is one of the greatest mmoRPgs.

  34. Just steal a space shuttle by shoppa · · Score: 1

    As any Ultima I player will tell you, it's easy: just steal a space shuttle and then outrun the guards.

    As long as this is so easy, nobody will pay for space flight.

  35. Can't ban anyone now, bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if he's still bent out of shape about getting rolled by Rainz.

  36. Re:Sorry... YALD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These days you can't create yet another Linux distribution (YALD) if you don't fly to outterspace!

  37. ironcially enough... by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    That's entirely the case. Russia nowadays completely trumps the half-hearted attempts of the States to be truly capitalist. Now, whether this is a good thing, or whether the relative moderation and of the American system is better . . . well, that's actually a rather long and extensive debate.

    This being Slashdot, then, flame on! :P

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  38. Not another speech by GISGEOLOGYGEEK · · Score: 1

    Ugh, Lord British speaks out again.

    I guess where it Rainz, it poors.

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  39. please don't rush. by KZigurs · · Score: 1

    We even have trouble defining the beginning of the universe, so please - don't plan for the end of it yet.

  40. Cultural difference. by jellomizer · · Score: 0

    Back in the 30s and earlier it was a good thing to show that you were rich it earned you respect. Now if you are super rich then you need to live a more modest life and not show how rich you truly are because people will kidnap your family for ransom, and other nasty stuff. So rich people usually drive fairly nice cars, but not massive status symbol cars, and have good sized houses but not huge ones. If you were to saw a millionaire on the street you probably wouldn't know that he is a millionaire or just someone who makes 80k a year.

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    1. Re:Cultural difference. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if you are super rich then you need to live a more modest life and not show how rich you truly are because people will kidnap your family for ransom, and other nasty stuff.

      Jesus christ, where do you people get this stuff? What is this crazy fucking paranoia about how shit was better in the 30s (or 40s or 50s, or hell let me guess, everyone was safe back in the 1400s, right)? Where you even there?

      After all, we all know that kidnapping and ransom weren't invented until those damn hippies arrived in the late 60s, right?

      I bet you believe it when the news man tells you the sharks have become ravenous and are gorging on human flesh, don't you?

    2. Re:Cultural difference. by patio11 · · Score: 1
      Somewhat off-topic: Kidnapping for money has vanished from the US, actually. The FBI is just too good at catching people who do it. Almost all kidnapping currently is sexually motivated and results in murder of the victim within 24 hours. But I agree that most millionaires in the US are not conspicuous about their consumption -- according to WSJ and Washington Post articles I've read they're notoriously tightwads.

      Incidentally, many millionaires *do* have 80k yearly incomes. Check out the magic of compound interest: lets say you're 30 years old when you finally hit 80k worth of income (maybe you have a moderately successful small business you've been building for a couple of years, maybe you've got your own law practice, maybe you're just working long hours for Microsoft). Assuming for the next 30 years you take $15,000 of that salary and just put it in a CD at 5%, you'll be a millionaire when you retire.

      This ignores two even easier ways to hit millionairedom: a) have a house which appreciates substantially in value or b) dual-income family (the key is, again, living below your means -- if you're obsessed with keeping up with the Joneses and buying a new plasma screen every year you've got a tough row to hoe).

  41. Re:Probably modded flamebait but by mooglez · · Score: 1

    please leave your geek card at the table, and don't let the door hit you in the ass :)

  42. If he'd done a better job on UO by jerryodom · · Score: 1

    And not made it so easy for people to duplicate gold and sell it online then he could've made it himself and funded the trip through an ebay account.

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  43. Hours and Hours Mining Ore by WallyGrump · · Score: 1

    So to get a space trip, you'll have to spend 10 hours mining enough ore first right. Then get killed by some stupid monster anyway.

  44. Re:Oh really. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

    You find it inferior to iv?

  45. Well, that makes sense, his dad was an astronaught by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yup. He was one of the first men to orbit the earth.

  46. u r teh win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I love u!

    Fhqwhgads

  47. Re:Oh really. by lgw · · Score: 1

    III was the best. They started getting moralistic with IV. Maybe it's time to check out a good DOS emulator.

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  48. Ultima . . . by ifishfortorque · · Score: 1

    the "genre-defying series" of "role-playing games." Huh?

  49. Re:What a boring story by Winkhorst · · Score: 1

    "of which he put down the foundation for" Please tell me you're not a native speaker of English...

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  50. Re: your sig by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 1

    I liked the game, the graphics were really nice and all, but I wouldn't call it beautiful.

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  51. Lard Brititch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, I remember well that excuse for filling a shirt.
    This waste of skin was the one that did not deliver
    on the repair of the late Ultima series. He basically told his customers to go to hell. They
    left him. Ultima Online has been a multimillion
    dollar flop when it does'nt also get into the headlines for its players assaulting each other for
    'virtual property'; or find itself in court for suing players for 'creating unauthorized game objects'....ad nauseum.
        By the way, the price the Russians charge for a flight on the Soyuz is NOT 200,000 clams, but a
    cool TWENTY MILLION smackers. A difference fellow
    slashdotters seem to have missed. I am certain that the guys that paid it know what they paid!