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If you brits still had your shotguns
--- Don't suppose *peaceful* protest would occur to you... thus the effects of an abundance of guns in a society? Democracy works through discussion in the UK.
Re:Well, this is the kind of thing you have to exp
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Well thanks for the strength of your convictions in posting anonymously;)
I don't think Blair has any idea of making the UK a police state - the media runs the country more than the government anyway...
... as a side note, we have far far less death due to accdental shootings, children getting hold of guns etc....
... a civilized society has no need for killing tools....
I notice them... unfortunately I think many of my fellow Brits don't, any one speaking out against them is often also labelled at pro-crime, if anyone breaks past the apathy level, that is.... personally I dislike them & am all for acting suspiciously in front of them:)
Okay - I accept not *all* guns are meant for killing humans (though if you read my original post, you'll see I only claimed guns were for killing, not necessarilly for killing humans - though, as a vegan, I hold any killing as undesireable). However, *some* guns certainly are only for killing humans. I believe from my position I can certainly argue that guns (or on a milder view, some guns) are better out of society: 1. Force & deadly force are not only a matter of guns. 2. I hold that a lessening of killing is desireable - therefore I suspect my criteria of defending deadly force would be stricter than yours. 3. Prevelance of guns merely inclines those of criminal intent to carry guns (& more powerful guns) - increasing the chances of killing in a conflict situation. 4. I suspect that our difference of opinions here mighthave a lot to do with the differences in the legal & societal situations of our two countres. I am in the UK, where there are few legal guns available (limited to low calibre, and only under strict regulations), the police do not carry guns as a matter of routine, there is not legal right to own a firearm, and therefore there are far fewer illegal guns in circulation - leading to less deaths by guns. I suspect you are in the USA. A simple comparason of the death statistics in our two countries I think is arguement enough for my case.
This is way off tract from the original discussion. *Sorry*. But a point I feel strongly about. I would be more than happy to carry on this debate by email, if you wish. *As a less than perfect person I must always be ready to debate & change my views if persuaded*
Surely if the developer of the software is to blame, by analogy gun makers are responsible for murders by guns. A simplistic view perhaps. The intention is also important. A knife can be made for food preparation & not the murder it is used for - the same can be said of some software used to commit a crime. However guns could be said to be only meant as killing tools, and again so with some software. Altogether a grey area, which will become greyer. I incline to think that all information should be free & unrestricted... and software is a complex form of information. However, tools of killing (software designed for warful intent? I know of none) I would hold are better out of society...
Anyone got any email addresses of Lawyers firms representing MPAA in this? Or MPAA themselves? Here are some email addresses & links to web-forms of some members of the MPAA, that are freely publicised (I haven't found many... yet): info@pde.paramount.com motionpictures@pde.paramount.com http://www.mgmua.com/cgi-bin/cgi/email.html&type=b ody&from=&V=2?subject=MGM+DVD&x=55&y=5 http://disney.go.com/mail/movies/index.html http://www.mca.com/fp/contact_form.html
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If you brits still had your shotguns
... thus the effects of an abundance of guns in a society? Democracy works through discussion in the UK.
--- Don't suppose *peaceful* protest would occur to you
Well thanks for the strength of your convictions in posting anonymously ;)
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I don't think Blair has any idea of making the UK a police state - the media runs the country more than the government anyway
... as a side note, we have far far less death due to accdental shootings, children getting hold of guns etc....
... a civilized society has no need for killing tools
I notice them ... unfortunately I think many of my fellow Brits don't, any one speaking out against them is often also labelled at pro-crime, if anyone breaks past the apathy level, that is .... personally I dislike them & am all for acting suspiciously in front of them :)
Okay - I accept not *all* guns are meant for killing humans (though if you read my original post, you'll see I only claimed guns were for killing, not necessarilly for killing humans - though, as a vegan, I hold any killing as undesireable). However, *some* guns certainly are only for killing humans. I believe from my position I can certainly argue that guns (or on a milder view, some guns) are better out of society:
1. Force & deadly force are not only a matter of guns.
2. I hold that a lessening of killing is desireable - therefore I suspect my criteria of defending deadly force would be stricter than yours.
3. Prevelance of guns merely inclines those of criminal intent to carry guns (& more powerful guns) - increasing the chances of killing in a conflict situation.
4. I suspect that our difference of opinions here mighthave a lot to do with the differences in the legal & societal situations of our two countres. I am in the UK, where there are few legal guns available (limited to low calibre, and only under strict regulations), the police do not carry guns as a matter of routine, there is not legal right to own a firearm, and therefore there are far fewer illegal guns in circulation - leading to less deaths by guns. I suspect you are in the USA. A simple comparason of the death statistics in our two countries I think is arguement enough for my case.
This is way off tract from the original discussion. *Sorry*. But a point I feel strongly about. I would be more than happy to carry on this debate by email, if you wish.
*As a less than perfect person I must always be ready to debate & change my views if persuaded*
Surely if the developer of the software is to blame, by analogy gun makers are responsible for murders by guns. A simplistic view perhaps. The intention is also important. A knife can be made for food preparation & not the murder it is used for - the same can be said of some software used to commit a crime. However guns could be said to be only meant as killing tools, and again so with some software. Altogether a grey area, which will become greyer. I incline to think that all information should be free & unrestricted ... and software is a complex form of information. However, tools of killing (software designed for warful intent? I know of none) I would hold are better out of society...
*apologies for straying to wider issues*
You think you won the Cold War?... Geez the American government really does tell you nothing.
Amen!
It is virus free - I have used strong Heuristic scanning on it & am pretty confident (as much as one can be)...
Anyone got any email addresses of Lawyers firms representing MPAA in this? Or MPAA themselves? Here are some email addresses & links to web-forms of some members of the MPAA, that are freely publicised (I haven't found many ... yet): info@pde.paramount.com motionpictures@pde.paramount.com http://www.mgmua.com/cgi-bin/cgi/email.html&type=b ody&from=&V=2?subject=MGM+DVD&x=55&y=5 http://disney.go.com/mail/movies/index.html http://www.mca.com/fp/contact_form.html
CNet have just listed this in their "download dispatch", with a live link for download from: http://www.dvd-copy.com
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I had decss_12b.zip - 58kb
I can send you a copy if you want...
... also the LiVid.tgz & cssauth.tar.gz files, if needed/for mirror...
What antivirus software are you using? Latest DAT files for NAI's Netshield & Vshield, also Trend's Interscan, have no problem with my copy....
http://home.worldonline.dk/~andersa/download/DeCSS .zip p - auth.tar.gz s /8877/index.html g z . gz and ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.css-st uff-only.tar.gz h tml g z and http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/DeCSS.zip
http://douglas.min.net/~drw/css-auth/
http://www.devzero.org/freecss.html
http://home.t-online.de/home/skinner01/decss.zi
http://www.chello.nl/~f.vanwaveren/css-auth/css
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Campu
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/popefelix/
http://www.vexed.net/CSS
http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~j.vreeken/
http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/DeCSS.zip and http://gullii.stu.rpi.edu/dvd/files/css-auth.tar.
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.eavy.net/stuff/dvd/DeCSS.zip
http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/DeCSS.zip and http://www.dynamsol.com/satanix/css-auth.tar.gz
http://www.dvd.eavy.de/DeCSS.zip
http://frozenlinux.com/civ/decss/
http://www.humpin.org/decss/
http://www.unitycode.org/
http://dirtass.beyatch.net/decss.zip
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/jvz/
http://www.free-dvd.org.lu/
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/mirror/
http://mclaughlin.orange.ca.us/~andrew/
http://batman.jytol.fi/~vuori/dvd/
http://www.zpok.demon.co.uk/deCSS/CSS.html
http://plato.nebulanet.net:88/css/
ftp://alma.dhs.org/pub/DVD/
http://www.d.umn.edu/~dchan/css/
http://www.logorrhea.com/main.html
http://people.delphi.com/salfter/LiVid.tar.gz
http://www.theresistance.net/files.html
ftp://193.219.56.32/pub/dvd/LiVid.CVS-11.06.tar
http://merlin.keble.ox.ac.uk/~adrian/css/index.
http://www.dvd-copy.com/
http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/dvd/css/css-auth.tar.
http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css-auth.tar.gz and http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/DeCSS.zip
ftp://ftp.firehead.org/pub/ (very slow - 33.6 line)
http://members.tripod.co.uk/bap/css/css.html
http://www.tasam.com/~fenkt/dvd/
ftp://eris.giga.or.at/pub/hacker/crypt/DVD/
http://therapy.endorphin.org/DVD/
http://www.discordia.de/decss/DeCSS.zip and http://www.discordia.de/decss/css-auth_tar.gz and http://www.discordia.de/decss/LiVid.tgz