It's a typical "techie vs. marketing guy" problem.
The term was coined originally (in the 70s !) not for the purpose of appearing evil, but in the same sense that the deep web is used - to indicate that it is "in the shadows", that it is not publicly visible, without any of the bad vibes non-tech people associate with that.
By far not as much as it was last year. The general attitude to refugees is still positive, but more critical and nuanced than before, and the opposing voices have a lot more air time as well. The attitude definitely has changed.
The opposition to the tribunals exists because it means any and all laws that are passed in the future will have to be inspected from a "possible impact on foreign trade" perspective. Member states can't pass an environmental protection law any more to protect the environment, it needs to be written so that it doesn't harm trade. They can't pass a workplace safety law anymore just to safe workers health and life, it has to be written so that it doesn't harm trade. Everything becomes a matter of international trade.
We already see the effect of this focus on the economy as the only god. In Germany, Schaeuble, the minister of finances, is without a doubt the most powerful minister and his opinion is asked and reported in the media on everything. Every law about work, immigration, foreign policy, health, education, literally everything. They made a law some years ago that forces the government to keep a balanced budget, and Schaeuble's "sorry, we don't have the money for this, and it would break the budget" can stop any law being discussed, no matter the subject.
The tribunals lead to self-censorship. Laws will be written so that they don't damage corporate interests. You will probably be proven right that the tribunals are actually called on very little - because their main effect is not in the trial, but in the chilling effect it causes.
What Merkels emails would reveal is that she most likely spends a majority of her time making sure she stays in power, by eliminating potential rivals. What hard work you expect to find is a mystery to me, because on almost every topic in her entire career, she always waited which way public opinion would swing before she jumped to the front of the long-going crowd and shouted "follow me".
This is also true of the refugee crisis, in which initially all of Germany was extremely welcoming. Her mistake was that she didn't anticipate public opinion would change this time.
She's a populist of the worse kind. She's not telling what people want to hear, she waits until people tell what they want to hear, and then says "exactly my opinion".
Still a very one-sided way to look at it. Last I checked history, the seperatists didn't start the falling apart of the Ukraine, it was the right-wing extremist behind the Maiden movement, who escalated the protest into civil war and then took control of the government. There seem to be interesting ties to several western governments, but I'm not sure we will ever learn the truth.
That Russia supports the seperatists is basically the worst-kept not-quite-secret of the world.
And here I was wondering if it's worth taking a look after the inevitable price-drop that will follow the bad PR. Thanks for saving me from that. Love Elite too much (though the original still is the only real one).
Whenever I'm out of my mind enough to look at the world as an outsider, I would advise any aliens to take off and nuke the site from orbit. Though they certainly have some way to just kill off the human species and let evolution try again. Come back in a million years (surely you've managed age) and check if earth intelligence v2.0 is better.
We definitely want to find them first, so we can check if we can conquer, enslave and economically exploit them. If not, to buy us time to improve our military until we can. We didn't claw our way to the top of the food chain for no reason, right?
Zuck seems to think that just because he's brilliant with computers (and making money with computers), he's brilliant at other things.
That's not his fault, it's an american culture deficit. In the USA, success equals smart equals good. People read all these "do these 10 things successful people do" without stopping one second to think that there's zero evidence for a causal relation. Or in simpler terms: Yes, maybe twenty successful people do X, but so do thousands or millions of unsuccessful people.
But yes, throwing money at a problem seems to be a typical response these days. Don't even look at what the problem actually is, just throw money at it. It has something religious.
Here in Europe, private ownership of cars could go the way of the Dodo bird and many people would welcome it.
The main differences:
One - our cities are older and streets smaller, the insanity that is hundreds of thousands of people each driving in a huge metal box that is mostly empty becomes visible very fast under such conditions. Parking in most European cities is a nightmare.
Two - we actually have working public transport.
I would be more than happy to use self-driving taxis in the city, and keep my car only for long-distance trips where train is not a good choice for some reason (remote village, castle, animal park, whatever in the countryside, etc.)
Maybe americans love their cars so much - but half of them also liked slavery and anyway it was abolished.
revealing the different models of IMSI catchers the force owned would make the devices more vulnerable to hacking.
In other words: There is at least one audit report giving them very bad marks on security and they don't have the time, budget or expertise to fix the problem. Basically, they should be treated as if they are already hacked by an unknown party or two.
You are not afraid of disclosing basic information unless you cover up known vulnerabilities.
About 258,000 results (0.49 seconds), according to Google over here. Doesn't Google work over there?
You made the claim, you bring the evidence.
Ok, your first 3 are all from the same source, the NATO. Hardly unbiased.
DW is a respectable medium, as are most of the following (I don't know about "UA position").
From these articles, I admit you are in part right. There is propaganda being made.
The fact that all of the articles center on the same three points (the false rape case, Sputnik and unnamed NATO officials) makes me believe the scope is not as huge as the typical western propaganda wants us to believe. For 70 years we've been told the same story - that evil russians are ready to invade/conquer/mind-control us as soon as we let down our guard.
I've travelled to Russia. I will tell you one thing: No country in the world is remembering WW2 and its horrors as much as Russia. These are not people waiting for an opportunity to start a war.
Here's the funny thing: Propaganda in Russia and propaganda in the west sounds very similar. The other guy is threatening and evil. We are the good guys defending us and our friends. We stay calm despite their constant aggression. They are irrational and dangerous.
My russian isn't good enough to follow the russian news, but I wish it were. I'm quite sure it would be enlightening to watch both US and Russian news every evening.
So yes, there is some propaganda being done, you've convinced me of that. I don't think it is of the fear-inducing scale that you claim it is, and from what I see around me - including russian-born friends I have - the media exaggerates. Just like the guy who's leads a club that 6% of the local russians are members in, but he claims to speak for all of them. Exaggeration is the backbone of propaganda - on both sides.
slashdot? It's a site that was the news back when there were no tech news in the mainstream media, and if the current downward trends of journalism continues, it will be it again in three or five years, and I can sell my 3-digit UID for a 6-digit sum.:-)
Did you ever read the comments section at tagesschau.de, the principal public news website, whenever there's an article about Putin, Russia, Ukraine or the war in Syria? The same applies to other prominent news websites and forums.
Like slashdot, for example? Not like we don't have a fair section of trolls here, for or against virtually any topic that you can imagine.
Das berichtet die "Bild"-Zeitung.
The newspaper that regularily invents articles. Very respectable source. Got anything better?
or you simply don't read the comments sections of online news.
Of course not. Anyone with three brain cells who actually reads that nonsense? I have never, ever seen comments from there been mentioned anywhere else. As far as I can tell, those sections are write-only mediums. Nobody gives a fuck what's written there, it is never cited anywhere else, it's a big circle-jerk.
Maybe those sections are pro-russian. How exactly is that going to influence anything in Germany? Nobody I know reads them. Nobody I've ever talked to has ever said something like "as a comment in xxx mentioned..."
Show me that these comment sections have any measurable influence on public opinion, and I will change my mind.
An article about Sweden, with one(!) example from Germany where a false local news story was picked up in russian newspapers. I'm sure if I google for a few minutes I can find similar examples between the US and Germany, or the UK, or France, or China or any other country that has a mild interest in Europe.
That's well documented.
All three of your articles are about Ukraine. The word "Germany" doesn't appear even once in all three of them. So how exactly do they support your point which was explicitly about Germany?
Funny. I live in Germany. Show me this information war, because I don't see any sign of it.
What I do see is the massive Turkish influence, strong alliances of almost all key german politicians with US interests (keyword: "Atlantikbrücke"), and a breaking friendship with France. There certainly is russian influence as well, just like every other country, but the Russians living in Germany (and there are a lot) are the most calm and least visible of all the larger immigrant groups. If I could choose between, say, even more turkish influence or more russian influence, I'd pick the later any day. At least they don't open book stands in the city center to recruit fools for their Jihad.
That is inevitable at this point anyway because Russia has not been countered for eight years. They will take back what they have lost.
You are an idiot with no clues.
Russia doesn't want Ukraine. Do you know what the stereotype of Ukrainians is within Russia? They are lazy and stupid. Who would want such people?
The reason Russia is acting aggressively has one very simple cause that is blatantly ignored in western media: That despite the end of the cold war, the USA is still pushing a politics of encircling Russia. There are now NATO members sharing a border with Russia. Other neighbour states are EU members. Russia is on the receiving end of aggressive expansionism and understandably pushing back.
If you want to know why Russia reacts the way it does, ask yourself what the US would do if Mexico would join a (revived) Warsaw Pact and Canada joined an economic alliance with Russia.
Trump is working for Trump and is not going to work for either the Russians or the American people.
This. Trump is part of the financial elite, and they have been supranational for a decade at least. These people have their official living place in one country, hold the passport of another country, incorporate in a third, have a tax-evasion company in a fourth and spend most of their time in neither. They know no loyalties to any country.
Hillary, on the other hand, is merely a servant of the financial elite, she's no in the inner circles of power.
Great choice you have there. A puppet or a muppet.:-)
The parliamentary system sounds much fairer, but is more subject to letting radicals get total control of a country.
After Reagan, Bush and the current top candidates, you can say that with a straight face?
Hillary is only AWFUL if you believe all the right-wing smears. I've actually come to think more highly of her after following all the bogus scandal stories we're being fed.
If even half of the e-mail scandal is true, she belongs locked up, and not in the White House. She is the classic example of ruling class members believing they are above the law.
the US election is a world wide laughing stock at this point,
This. Over here in Europe, we are wondering if there's a multi-station reality soap opera on and someone forgot to mention it's not real. We have satirists saying they couldn't make this up. Whoever of the two wins, their respect level in the rest of the world is a solid zero.
It also doesn't work in Russia because contrary to western media propaganda, the Russians actually do respect and admire Putin very much. That is in part due to state propaganda, but in part because he actually led them out of the 90s, which were a terrible time in Russia.
What's actually going on is that someone is trying to create as much fear, uncertainty and doubt as possible over the election. This could be one or both parties, expecting a defeat and preparing for some kind of gambit where they can challenge the result, or it could be a third party with some conspiracy-theory-level agenda. I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but given what has been disclosed about US operations around the world, not much is too outlandish to be probable.
But it's very clear that the media is simply spreading FUD in advance of the election.
Slashdot Mirror
It's a typical "techie vs. marketing guy" problem.
The term was coined originally (in the 70s !) not for the purpose of appearing evil, but in the same sense that the deep web is used - to indicate that it is "in the shadows", that it is not publicly visible, without any of the bad vibes non-tech people associate with that.
By far not as much as it was last year. The general attitude to refugees is still positive, but more critical and nuanced than before, and the opposing voices have a lot more air time as well. The attitude definitely has changed.
You miss the point, I guess.
The opposition to the tribunals exists because it means any and all laws that are passed in the future will have to be inspected from a "possible impact on foreign trade" perspective. Member states can't pass an environmental protection law any more to protect the environment, it needs to be written so that it doesn't harm trade. They can't pass a workplace safety law anymore just to safe workers health and life, it has to be written so that it doesn't harm trade. Everything becomes a matter of international trade.
We already see the effect of this focus on the economy as the only god. In Germany, Schaeuble, the minister of finances, is without a doubt the most powerful minister and his opinion is asked and reported in the media on everything. Every law about work, immigration, foreign policy, health, education, literally everything. They made a law some years ago that forces the government to keep a balanced budget, and Schaeuble's "sorry, we don't have the money for this, and it would break the budget" can stop any law being discussed, no matter the subject.
The tribunals lead to self-censorship. Laws will be written so that they don't damage corporate interests. You will probably be proven right that the tribunals are actually called on very little - because their main effect is not in the trial, but in the chilling effect it causes.
What Merkels emails would reveal is that she most likely spends a majority of her time making sure she stays in power, by eliminating potential rivals. What hard work you expect to find is a mystery to me, because on almost every topic in her entire career, she always waited which way public opinion would swing before she jumped to the front of the long-going crowd and shouted "follow me".
This is also true of the refugee crisis, in which initially all of Germany was extremely welcoming. Her mistake was that she didn't anticipate public opinion would change this time.
She's a populist of the worse kind. She's not telling what people want to hear, she waits until people tell what they want to hear, and then says "exactly my opinion".
Not a surprise.
Still a very one-sided way to look at it. Last I checked history, the seperatists didn't start the falling apart of the Ukraine, it was the right-wing extremist behind the Maiden movement, who escalated the protest into civil war and then took control of the government. There seem to be interesting ties to several western governments, but I'm not sure we will ever learn the truth.
That Russia supports the seperatists is basically the worst-kept not-quite-secret of the world.
And here I was wondering if it's worth taking a look after the inevitable price-drop that will follow the bad PR. Thanks for saving me from that. Love Elite too much (though the original still is the only real one).
Whenever I'm out of my mind enough to look at the world as an outsider, I would advise any aliens to take off and nuke the site from orbit. Though they certainly have some way to just kill off the human species and let evolution try again. Come back in a million years (surely you've managed age) and check if earth intelligence v2.0 is better.
We definitely want to find them first, so we can check if we can conquer, enslave and economically exploit them. If not, to buy us time to improve our military until we can. We didn't claw our way to the top of the food chain for no reason, right?
Zuck seems to think that just because he's brilliant with computers (and making money with computers), he's brilliant at other things.
That's not his fault, it's an american culture deficit. In the USA, success equals smart equals good. People read all these "do these 10 things successful people do" without stopping one second to think that there's zero evidence for a causal relation. Or in simpler terms: Yes, maybe twenty successful people do X, but so do thousands or millions of unsuccessful people.
But yes, throwing money at a problem seems to be a typical response these days. Don't even look at what the problem actually is, just throw money at it. It has something religious.
Here in Europe, private ownership of cars could go the way of the Dodo bird and many people would welcome it.
The main differences:
One - our cities are older and streets smaller, the insanity that is hundreds of thousands of people each driving in a huge metal box that is mostly empty becomes visible very fast under such conditions. Parking in most European cities is a nightmare.
Two - we actually have working public transport.
I would be more than happy to use self-driving taxis in the city, and keep my car only for long-distance trips where train is not a good choice for some reason (remote village, castle, animal park, whatever in the countryside, etc.)
Maybe americans love their cars so much - but half of them also liked slavery and anyway it was abolished.
revealing the different models of IMSI catchers the force owned would make the devices more vulnerable to hacking.
In other words: There is at least one audit report giving them very bad marks on security and they don't have the time, budget or expertise to fix the problem. Basically, they should be treated as if they are already hacked by an unknown party or two.
You are not afraid of disclosing basic information unless you cover up known vulnerabilities.
Still don't want a phablet. Happy owner of an iPhone SE. Next upgrade when they make the next phone with an actually useable form factor.
About 258,000 results (0.49 seconds), according to Google over here. Doesn't Google work over there?
You made the claim, you bring the evidence.
Ok, your first 3 are all from the same source, the NATO. Hardly unbiased.
DW is a respectable medium, as are most of the following (I don't know about "UA position").
From these articles, I admit you are in part right. There is propaganda being made.
The fact that all of the articles center on the same three points (the false rape case, Sputnik and unnamed NATO officials) makes me believe the scope is not as huge as the typical western propaganda wants us to believe. For 70 years we've been told the same story - that evil russians are ready to invade/conquer/mind-control us as soon as we let down our guard.
I've travelled to Russia. I will tell you one thing: No country in the world is remembering WW2 and its horrors as much as Russia. These are not people waiting for an opportunity to start a war.
Here's the funny thing: Propaganda in Russia and propaganda in the west sounds very similar. The other guy is threatening and evil. We are the good guys defending us and our friends. We stay calm despite their constant aggression. They are irrational and dangerous.
My russian isn't good enough to follow the russian news, but I wish it were. I'm quite sure it would be enlightening to watch both US and Russian news every evening.
So yes, there is some propaganda being done, you've convinced me of that. I don't think it is of the fear-inducing scale that you claim it is, and from what I see around me - including russian-born friends I have - the media exaggerates. Just like the guy who's leads a club that 6% of the local russians are members in, but he claims to speak for all of them. Exaggeration is the backbone of propaganda - on both sides.
slashdot? It's a site that was the news back when there were no tech news in the mainstream media, and if the current downward trends of journalism continues, it will be it again in three or five years, and I can sell my 3-digit UID for a 6-digit sum. :-)
And I would find one misleading news story. How is that evidence of a large-scale, government-controlled desinformation campaign?
You made a claim, you have flimsy evidence to back it up.
Did you ever read the comments section at tagesschau.de, the principal public news website, whenever there's an article about Putin, Russia, Ukraine or the war in Syria? The same applies to other prominent news websites and forums.
Like slashdot, for example? Not like we don't have a fair section of trolls here, for or against virtually any topic that you can imagine.
Das berichtet die "Bild"-Zeitung.
The newspaper that regularily invents articles. Very respectable source. Got anything better?
or you simply don't read the comments sections of online news.
Of course not. Anyone with three brain cells who actually reads that nonsense? I have never, ever seen comments from there been mentioned anywhere else. As far as I can tell, those sections are write-only mediums. Nobody gives a fuck what's written there, it is never cited anywhere else, it's a big circle-jerk.
Maybe those sections are pro-russian. How exactly is that going to influence anything in Germany? Nobody I know reads them. Nobody I've ever talked to has ever said something like "as a comment in xxx mentioned..."
Show me that these comment sections have any measurable influence on public opinion, and I will change my mind.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden-disinformation.htm
An article about Sweden, with one(!) example from Germany where a false local news story was picked up in russian newspapers. I'm sure if I google for a few minutes I can find similar examples between the US and Germany, or the UK, or France, or China or any other country that has a mild interest in Europe.
That's well documented.
All three of your articles are about Ukraine. The word "Germany" doesn't appear even once in all three of them. So how exactly do they support your point which was explicitly about Germany?
Funny. I live in Germany. Show me this information war, because I don't see any sign of it.
What I do see is the massive Turkish influence, strong alliances of almost all key german politicians with US interests (keyword: "Atlantikbrücke"), and a breaking friendship with France. There certainly is russian influence as well, just like every other country, but the Russians living in Germany (and there are a lot) are the most calm and least visible of all the larger immigrant groups. If I could choose between, say, even more turkish influence or more russian influence, I'd pick the later any day. At least they don't open book stands in the city center to recruit fools for their Jihad.
That is inevitable at this point anyway because Russia has not been countered for eight years. They will take back what they have lost.
You are an idiot with no clues.
Russia doesn't want Ukraine. Do you know what the stereotype of Ukrainians is within Russia? They are lazy and stupid. Who would want such people?
The reason Russia is acting aggressively has one very simple cause that is blatantly ignored in western media: That despite the end of the cold war, the USA is still pushing a politics of encircling Russia. There are now NATO members sharing a border with Russia. Other neighbour states are EU members. Russia is on the receiving end of aggressive expansionism and understandably pushing back.
If you want to know why Russia reacts the way it does, ask yourself what the US would do if Mexico would join a (revived) Warsaw Pact and Canada joined an economic alliance with Russia.
Trump is working for Trump and is not going to work for either the Russians or the American people.
This. Trump is part of the financial elite, and they have been supranational for a decade at least. These people have their official living place in one country, hold the passport of another country, incorporate in a third, have a tax-evasion company in a fourth and spend most of their time in neither. They know no loyalties to any country.
Hillary, on the other hand, is merely a servant of the financial elite, she's no in the inner circles of power.
Great choice you have there. A puppet or a muppet. :-)
The parliamentary system sounds much fairer, but is more subject to letting radicals get total control of a country.
After Reagan, Bush and the current top candidates, you can say that with a straight face?
Hillary is only AWFUL if you believe all the right-wing smears. I've actually come to think more highly of her after following all the bogus scandal stories we're being fed.
If even half of the e-mail scandal is true, she belongs locked up, and not in the White House. She is the classic example of ruling class members believing they are above the law.
the US election is a world wide laughing stock at this point,
This. Over here in Europe, we are wondering if there's a multi-station reality soap opera on and someone forgot to mention it's not real. We have satirists saying they couldn't make this up. Whoever of the two wins, their respect level in the rest of the world is a solid zero.
It also doesn't work in Russia because contrary to western media propaganda, the Russians actually do respect and admire Putin very much. That is in part due to state propaganda, but in part because he actually led them out of the 90s, which were a terrible time in Russia.
What's actually going on is that someone is trying to create as much fear, uncertainty and doubt as possible over the election. This could be one or both parties, expecting a defeat and preparing for some kind of gambit where they can challenge the result, or it could be a third party with some conspiracy-theory-level agenda. I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but given what has been disclosed about US operations around the world, not much is too outlandish to be probable.
But it's very clear that the media is simply spreading FUD in advance of the election.
You know how they say that in ancient times, hunter-gatherer societies used all the parts of an animal? Very soon we can put them to shame. :-)
Putting advertisements on public transportation is flat-out wrong
On anything owned by the public, in fact. Roads, bridges, busses, anything.