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Apple iPhone 7 Plus Packs 3GB RAM, Early A10 Fusion Benchmarks Look Very Strong (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes from a report via HotHardware: Apple's A10 Fusion processor, paired with the iPhone 7, is already making its mark on benchmark circuit. Although you may or may not be impressed with Apple's new handset, as usual, Cupertino's latest smartphone is looking very strong performance-wise. According to Geekbench numbers, which showcase the iPhone 7 Plus running iOS 10.0.1 (Golden Master), the 5.5-inch smartphone has 3GB of RAM onboard (the iPhone 7 reportedly contains 2GB RAM). Compared to the previous generation iPhone 6s Plus, this is an increase of 1GB. Compared to Android flagships, which come with 4GB or even 6GB of RAM, 3GB might seem paltry. However, benchmarks show time and time again that Apple's SoCs are among the fastest in the industry and simply do more with less resources. Apple says that the advances it has made with the A10 allow the processor to be twice as fast as the A8 in the iPhone 6 Plus and 40 percent faster than the A9 in the iPhone 6s Plus. The iPhone 7 Plus received a Geekbench single-core score of 3233, while its multi-core score comes in at 5363. For comparison, the beefy A9X processor in the iPad Pro -- also paired with 3GB of RAM -- puts up scores of 3009 and 4881 respectively. Likewise, these numbers far outpace those of the iPhone 6s Plus, which delivers 2407 and 4046 respectively.

324 comments

  1. None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Failure of a device. Nobody cares how fast the processor is if they can't plug their headphones in.

    1. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't Apple create a non-water resistant iP7 SKU with a headphone jack? Let the users choose what feature is most important.

    2. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this downvoted? This is exactly how I feel about it. Goodbye Apple. You've let the ipod rot, the ipad sales are tanking and the pro version isn't doing miuch about that, the watch isn't selling, the macs are pricey and *really* outdated... The one and ONLY thing they still had was the iphone. I love my current iphone but it's also my last one. It's just going to suck having to re-rate and transfer my songs and playlists to something else than itunes I guess... Oh well. I can't say I sort of expected it to happen when Cook replaced Jobs (same for nutella vs monkey boy...)

    3. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is a SKU? Is that like a "product"?

    4. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stock Keeping Unit. It's a variant of an existing product, like a regular Intel desktop CPU SKU vs. a Celeron SKU of the same Skylake/Kaby Lake core.

    5. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not call it a "model" like normal people? A SKU is a barcode.

    6. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by danbob999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They could include both IP67 AND a headphone jack. Like Samsung, Sony, and almost all other competitors.

    7. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by blindseer · · Score: 1, Funny

      Maybe they didn't do that because they did their own market research before they developed the product and already know which feature people prefer.

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    8. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why doesn't Apple create a non-water resistant iP7 SKU with a headphone jack?

      Because Apple purchased the worlds largest wireless headset company 2 years ago, and the only way they will ever get their money back is if they transition Beats from trendy to essential.

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    9. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      know which feature people prefer

      The fact that it comes down to a preference at all when most of it's competitors offer both is a failure in an of itself. They rightfully deserve the mocking they are getting in the technical presses at the moment.

      And I for one thank them for the comedy provided by people who retrospectively and poorly justify their actions.

      *Posted from my waterproof Galaxy S7 while listening to music with wired headphones and charging the phone at the same time because I'm stuck in the airport with nothing to do.

    10. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Absolutely, I'm really pissed off that Apple is so fucked up that they didn't include an RJ45, and a landline phone plug as well.

      feckin hipsters anyhow, what if I need direct wired access to the internet, or am at my aunt Sari's, no tower in sight, and need to make a call on my iPhone.? You didn't think about THAT did you Apple?

      Samsung is bringing out a phone with both RJ45 and landline jacks because they know what slashdotters must have. Theen those asswipes at Apple will go out of business in about a month.

      I want a feckin rotary dial as well. Gadammed hipsters Apple anyhow.

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    11. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez you big queen. Stop whining already. Android queers.

    12. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by MikeMo · · Score: 1

      Has anyone noticed that Apple never said they took it out to make it waterproof? That all that came from speculation? Their stated reasons were to improve space utilization and to help foster the move to wireless.

    13. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by e1618978 · · Score: 1

      They can plug their headphones in via the adapter, or use the lightning headphones included in the box, or use bluetooth. And if they really need to charge while using headphones, I'm sure that they will have a 3rd party cable in short order. I really don't understand the constant whining about this - there are probably more users who never use headphones with their iPhone than people who charge while using headphones.

    14. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by muecksteiner · · Score: 1

      Nobody cares? Well, some do. I've already ordered an iPhone 7 to replace my 5S. I develop for iOS, so it makes some sense for me to replace the phone after three years. That, and I am looking forward to the larger and brighter screen, and the better camera. Anything else is just sugarcoating, though.

      Ah yes, the headphone jack. Turns out that my 5S is still technically a virgin. Never used that connector. See, there are some people who never use headphones on an iPhone. Exactly these people, like myself, do not care about the removal of the jack, and are happy to order the 7 as is. I can of course see that this change bothers those users who use headphones: but maybe, just maybe, Apple did some market research before they removed the connector? So that maybe, there are not *that* few customers like myself out there as the internet community would assume?

    15. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by blindseer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm reminded of a conversation with some co-workers when the new MacBook without an optical drive came out. I was told about how Apple was being stupid for leaving out such a critical piece of hardware, that they'd never buy such a computer, etc.

      My response to them then, and my response to critics now, is the same. No one is forcing you to buy Apple hardware. Apple still offers the older product with the hardware you desire. You quite likely are not their target demographic. Apple cannot provide every product to meet every possible customer desire, compromises must be made.

      I then asked them about how often they actually used the optical drive they have in their computers. Since Apple included a disc with the MacBook that had software that allowed one to share an optical drive in another computer, MacOS or Windows, I asked if they had more than one computer at home. What I found out is that people rarely used their optical drive, and they all had more than one computer at home. So while they didn't like the idea of needing a peripheral to access an optical drive they did agree that not including the drive did not prevent them from reading optical disks.

      What is interesting here is that this analogy only carries so far since this time Apple includes as a peripheral what they left off by default. It'd be like putting an optical drive in the box with every MacBook. Yet people still complain. Apple in both cases was not the first to do this, but the first (or even second) guy didn't make near as many waves. Why is that?

      Mock Apple if you want. I even hesitate to come to Apple's defense since they don't need my help and I'll likely be labeled as a "fanboi" for doing so.

      What confuses me further about this is that this forum, like my co-workers, consists of largely of people that are (or at least claim to be) knowledgeable of electronics and its industry. Is it so confusing to people that a business case was made for this decision long before the product made it to store shelves? They figured this out. As evidence I'll give the popularity of the MacBook and iPhone product lines, much less that Apple is still around to be mocked. Not only can a business case be made but this was expected to happen eventually.

      Thing is that I'm not likely to even buy this new iPhone, I bought a new "dumb" phone a few months ago and I'm happy with it for now. I didn't buy one of those MacBooks either, but I did get one when someone else was paying for it. I'm not in their demographic either but I'd like to think I know a good business choice when I see one. I think Apple did good here, or at least not bad. Now, if all iPhone models lacked the headphone port then we'd have a different conversation.

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    16. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by sebrk · · Score: 1

      Such an easy target and non-issue this is anyway. I'll bet you my grandmothers teeth that Samsung et al. will follow suite. Of course this is the way digital music is heading.

    17. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by phayes · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's easy enough to explain the whining: the vast majority is from people who never owned a iPhone but want to dump on it to feel better about their choice of phone architecture. Much like "bendgate" which died out once people started doing tests of other phones and discovered that the iPhone was far from the weakest, this too will die out in short order as people either discover that plugging in their existing earphones to the adapter, move to dedicated USB DACs or tryout BT earphones and decide that they are more than good enough and much less hassle.

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    18. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Sure you can plug in a headphone -- either using the included adapter or buying headphones with a lightning connector.

    19. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not marketing it correctly; this is like New Coke. Why doesn't Apple create a non-water resistant iP7 SKU with a headphone jack and charge extra for it?

    20. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As strawmen go, that's especially poor. It's little more than a pile of straw, and half of it has already blown away.

    21. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      As strawmen go, that's especially poor. It's little more than a pile of straw, and half of it has already blown away.

      No - it was sarcasm. SRSLY,some of you follks have to quit calling every single thing you disagree with, a "Strawmen". That last sentence I wrote is closer to a strawman than my prior post. The sentence before this one might be called irony, or perhaps the strawman strawman paradox.

      Which you might call the strawman strawman strawman paradox argument.

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    22. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I then asked them about how often they actually used the optical drive they have in their computers.

      And that should instantly lead you to why removing the optical drive was a non-issue compared to removing the headphone socket.

    23. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I laugh at its paltry 3GB of RAM. My OnePlus 3 has 6GB and a faster CPU.

    24. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by blindseer · · Score: 2

      As I said above...
      My response to them then, and my response to critics now, is the same. No one is forcing you to buy Apple hardware. Apple still offers the older product with the hardware you desire. You quite likely are not their target demographic. Apple cannot provide every product to meet every possible customer desire, compromises must be made.

      The only exception to my previous statement is that Apple may not be offering the previous model any more. I did a quick look at Apple's online store and I do see that they have discontinued their quad core Mac Mini models. What confuses me though is why you are looking to buy a new Mac Mini if the one you have still works. Is it broken? It's quite likely that you are not Apple's demographic any more and most people in your situation would rather get an iMac or Mac Pro.

      For a lot of us, this is the line in the sand. It might be silly to people like you that think it's progress to remove things.

      I don't like it when things are removed that I still used. I remember a few times when ports that were important to me went away. It sucks having to abandon working peripherals but time marches on. As I type this I'm trying to make a laptop I have work for me for just one more year so I can save up for something better later. It has ports I don't use, like a parallel port and S-video. It has some legacy ports I still use, like FireWire and VGA. But really all I use are the USB ports. I'm trying to get a network interface working, wired or wireless, but if I can't then I'll just plug in a USB adapter like I was doing before. I think that is where a lot of people are going, they'll just buy the adapter for the legacy ports they still use. Newer ports like USB and Thunderbolt are very versatile and so it's not like people need a large variety of ports any more. With so many things wireless it's not like people need a large number of them either. Docks, hubs, and daisy-chaining helps with the low port count too.

      I mean what is the line for you. Are you willing to accept any decision the technology overlords push on you?

      You mean like Microsoft pushing Windows 10 on me? I was happy with Windows XP as were a lot of people I work with. With XP went some good and some bad. I still use XP to run some old games I like, and as long as the computer keeps running I'll keep using it. So it goes with a lot of hardware I own. I still use CRTs for my displays because they keep working. I'm gong to have to give up on my iPod and it's 30-pin docks and cables soon since I cracked the screen. If I had my way we might still be seeing SCSI ports on Apple computers, which is probably one good reason why I'm not in charge of Apple's hardware decisions.

      I guess my question to you is, what do you expect me to do about it? I can write angry e-mails to Apple, mock them on every web forum I know of, but in the end money talks. They figured out what sells and people like you and me don't buy enough hardware to dictate anything Apple sells.

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      I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
    25. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Why not call it a "model" like normal people? A SKU is a barcode.

      You're an idiot. SKU is an retail industry-standard term, and has nothing to do with barcodes.

    26. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Has anyone noticed that Apple never said they took it out to make it waterproof? That all that came from speculation? Their stated reasons were to improve space utilization and to help foster the move to wireless.

      Actually water resistance was cited by Phil Schiller as one of about four reasons they did it.

    27. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by macs4all · · Score: 2

      What confuses me though is why you are looking to buy a new Mac Mini if the one you have still works. Is it broken?

      Especially since it looks like a 2012 mini will be supported for probably at least 2 or 3 more major OS revs, and even then, will likely be a new enough OS when it is finally unsupported to still be viable for another 5 years or more after that. By that time, even a dual core Mac mini will be significantly faster than that quad core one.

    28. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      One use case is you're at some place, and playing music out the jack that serves as LINE OUT (not headphone). i.e. use the phone for DJing, if you can call it that. Which ironically you really have to do on the phone in this case, since the phone won't act as USB storage afaik so a typical desktop PC won't see the music files anyway. If after an hour or such the phone dies, this sucks big time. Especially, the music got interrupted.
      Note that audio hardware (amplifier or thing that has an amplifier) aged 10 to 30-year-old is very common, since it is considered normal for the stuff to last to 20-30 years roughly. So using bluetooth is an add-on you have to (or someone has to) pay for.

    29. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't Apple create a non-water resistant iP7 SKU with a headphone jack? Let the users choose what feature is most important.

      When sales don't match expectations, then Apple will react. I bet the phone design you mentioned has been done. Its a wait andsee situation, and nothing more.

      The Ifone 7 reminds me of the old days when the idea was to provide a car with the biggest and fastest engine We measuted the 0 to 60 MPH in seconds as a quality of the car.

      I will measure the Ifone 7 quality as the duration of battery time from full charge to recharge with telephone use only. And I want my Ifone7 to last more than 7 years with the built-in battery. I do not want to spend $600 plus for a phone that is disposable in 2.5 years, because the battery does not hold the charge, and because $200$/yr is a lot for a simple utility. Imagine you forgot the phone on the dash of the car. Would it survive an hour in the sun?

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    30. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      It's easy enough to explain the whining: the vast majority is from people who never owned a iPhone but want to dump on it to feel better about their choice of phone architecture. Much like "bendgate" which died out once people started doing tests of other phones and discovered that the iPhone was far from the weakest, this too will die out in short order as people either discover that plugging in their existing earphones to the adapter, move to dedicated USB DACs or tryout BT earphones and decide that they are more than good enough and much less hassle.

      My grandkids ran through two iPhones each, and their father's wallet before he switched them to Android models. The latter are more durable and customizable and yes, it also had a more robust charging socket. I think that if we can slide a Simcard into the slot in a phone, we should be able to do the same with a battery. I want a phone to not cost me more than $50/year. We will see if the IP7 will be able to do that.

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      Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
    31. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by phayes · · Score: 0

      The second cousin of the neighbour down the road of my third cousin (on my mothers side) bought crappy android phones for their dogs. It didn't end well even though they setup bank accounts for the puppies so the they could play angry birds because the crappy DACs in the phones were incapable of rendering the dog whistle frequencies the dogs had been trained with.

      What does all that have to do with the removal of the jack not being the enormous issue some are trying to make of it? Nothing actually but I thought you deserved an off topic nonsensical reply to your off topic nonsensical fairy tale. If you want a crappy sub $50 phone go buy one, nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy an iphone7.

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    32. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

      Sheeeet they could make it waterproof WITH a headphone jack. Other mfg'ers figured this out... thus 'waterproofing' is a red hearing. Apple just wants a cut of that sweet, sweet credit card processing 'swipe' reader market that NEED a headphone jack. This is plain and simple extortion by Apple.

    33. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by aquacrayfish · · Score: 1

      I laughed throughout the whole post honestly. How anyone sees 'I want rotary dial' in a post in a thread about the latest cell phone and takes the comment seriously isn't even trying to get the message. I was picturing a strawman with a smiley face on it or something.

    34. Re:None of this matters, it has no headphone jack. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Failure of a device. Nobody cares how fast the processor is if they can't plug their headphones in.

      Umm, no. If you need a headphone jack, Buy a Samsung Galaxy. Those are pretty hot right now.

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  2. Twice as fast! by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whoa, twice as fast? My boring conference calls will be cut in half. Thanks Apple!

    1. Re:Twice as fast! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because you can say that your phone is out of battery and that you have to use the headset to take notes. Since you cannot charge and use the headset at the same time, you simply have to drop out of the call.

    2. Re: Twice as fast! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple doing more with fewer resources? This guy has obviously never used iTunes

    3. Re:Twice as fast! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      My boring conference calls will be cut in half.

      You mean a break will be inserted? (To recharge the device?)

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    4. Re:Twice as fast! by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      NO no no, you got it all wrong. The processor is so fast, it now produces a Time Dilation effect. Using the inverse-square law, your meetings will now appear to you to last 16 times as long.

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    5. Re: Twice as fast! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep reposting, idiot.

  3. iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by kimvette · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ah yes, crippling the iPhone further with the removal of the highly standardised headphone jack, requiring a pricey and fragile, easy-to-lose, bulky adapter. They're seemingly trying to make the iPhone as useful as a pet rock, and similarly overpriced.

    Why is Apple doing this, really? The reason isn't waterproofing (both Samsung and Sony meet at least IP68 ratings, and for some models, even Milspec 810G) without sacking the headphone jack. It isn't technology-related, since both Sony and Samsung fit far more features into less space - again, without sacking the headphone jack.

    It's about having yet another expensive-yet-fragile-and-easy-to-lose mandatory accessory, or to create a sense vendor lock-in (because they'll be telling their gullible customers "by the way we make some premium headphones to match our pet rock") so they can sell more expensive yet inferior and terrible sounding headphones by Beats, which literally include weights to lend the illusion of high quality heavy magnets in the drivers. See:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...

    http://bgr.com/2015/06/19/beat...

    http://www.popularmechanics.co...

    I'm happy with my Samsung S7 Edge, thanks - the iPhone 4 was my last; after seeing the direction it was going with the 4s and 5 I made the switch back to Samsung phones (my phone prior to the iPhone 3GS was a Samsung) and am sticking with them.

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    1. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I upvote you, sir.

    2. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The processor benchmarks are pointless, what matters is how fast stuff actually happens and Android is generally faster at opening the same app etc. Probably because Samsung flash memory is quicker or something, or maybe it's just the massive amount of RAM in high end models. Having a dual core CPU probably doesn't help either.

      The 3GB of RAM is welcome, but I wonder if iOS can make optimal use of it. My current phone has 3GB and I never, ever close anything. My GF has an iPhone 6 with a rather pathetic 1GB of RAM, and she is constantly "cleaning" by closing apps manually to avoid it getting slow. Considering everyone else's flagships are moving to 4GB and 6GB now, 3GB is still rather low for such an expensive device.

      Oh, and Belkin have released the dongle you need to charge and listen to wired headphones at the same time. It's $40 and huge. And you need the Lightning to Audio adapter that comes with the phone, so actually you need two dongle chained. It's going to be hard not to laugh the first time I see someone with that setup.

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    3. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. It's rare to see people with bluetooth headphones because they are a crappy user experience and usually shit sound quality too. I'll decide when I wish to ditch a technology, not Apple.

    4. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hope you dont get burned or exploded by your precious andriod.
      And yes those companies cram more in their phones yet deliver less.

      Run whatever you want but you probably also still run a floppy drive....and a phone with buttons....wait Apple pushed the tech ahead on both fronts and changed the world for the better. Yet you seem to not learn the lessons....the 3.5 jack needs to go...yet you cling to it with the same logic you and your ilk claimed apple was crazy for building computers without floppies.....or phones without number keys.

      Keep yacking....you only continue to demonstrate how little you know...and how little you get right. Bravo....ludite.

    5. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people using bluetooth headphones on iphonew have no idea about audio quality. You could sell them a $1k old mono A.M. radio repackaged as a new ipod and they'd think it was hot shit.

    6. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Khyber · · Score: 2

      Audio over Bluetooth sounds like watery 64kbit MP3 shit. Even my wireless headphones have a cable permanently connected to the AUX jack, because Bluetooth sucks that much.

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    7. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by dk20 · · Score: 1, Troll

      I'm with you on this one and have been using bluetooth headphones every day for several years now. I find it interesting to see how many people walk around holding their phone in their hand, wires danging.

      Why not just bluetooth to the phone, put the phone away in your backpack and not have to worry about wires being caught on things?
      Of course they are not "white ear-buds" so everyone knows i have an iphone (i dont actually have an iphone either).

      To those who say bluetooth audio sucks:

      You do realise i am using headphones on a busy train using compressed MP3s on a phone... Not in a studio using high quality equipment right?
      Yes, i have to charge them, the ones i have last 5 hours (consistently) and i charge them every few days (i charge the phone more often then this and the headset charges in like 30 mins max).

      not having to have my phone in my hand and still being able to can change songs, adjust the volume, etc is a huge added bonus (pause, previous, next, mute, and answer are all buttons on the bluetooth headset which are easy to access).

      Then again, if you are a hipster you need to be seen walking around with the newest iphone in your hand, how else do others know you have it?

    8. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by kimvette · · Score: 2

      Enjoy your high-latency low-bitrate limited-bandwidth bluetooth audio, and don't complain when the audio falls out of sync with video. :-p

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    9. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by dfghjk · · Score: 0, Troll

      "The processor benchmarks are pointless...Having a dual core CPU probably doesn't help either."

      That really sets the tone.

      "...what matters is how fast stuff actually happens and Android is generally faster at opening the same app etc."

      Considering how much more Android has to do, that seems unlikely. It is also historically never been the case.

      "Probably because Samsung flash memory is quicker or something,..."

      Yeah that's probably it. No one has access to fast flash except Android.

      "...or maybe it's just the massive amount of RAM in high end models....The 3GB of RAM is welcome, but I wonder if iOS can make optimal use of it."

      Yes, perhaps Android is faster because it has more memory, but if iPhone gets more memory it can't make "optimal use of it".

      "My GF has an iPhone 6 with a rather pathetic 1GB of RAM, and she is constantly "cleaning" by closing apps manually to avoid it getting slow."

      No she's not. This does not benefit phone performance in any way.

      "Considering everyone else's flagships are moving to 4GB and 6GB now, 3GB is still rather low for such an expensive device."

      iOS requires less memory than Android because its applications are native. iPhones have always had less processor and memory but outrun Andoid anyway.

      "It's going to be hard not to laugh the first time I see someone with that setup."

      You won't because such setups aren't needed. First off, iPhone users will migrate away from headphones that require dongles and, second, phones don't commonly need to be plugged in to listen to music. When they need charging you stop listening.

      You are a moron with an agenda.

    10. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, an Android fanboy doesn't like the Apple iPhone?

      What the fuck?

    11. Re: iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The headphone jack is literally $9 and here's a picture of it it doesn't seem bulky to me http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter. There are valid criticism to make* for lack of a headphone jack you're just not making them.

      *like not being able to charge and listen to music in the vast majority of cars. But that will change in time and a company like apple making a decision like this will accelerate that change.

    12. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh. Why is Apple doing this, really? What a mystery! If only we could put this in context, to see if this company has any sort of history with letting go of legacy technology.

    13. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by mark-t · · Score: 0

      If the 3.5 jack truly and objectively needed to go, Apple should have replaced it with a second lightning port or even another entirely proprietary port they might try and argue was superior, or ideally, not removed it entirely. The lack of a separate port for headphones makes it impossible to charge the device while using wired headphones without having a separate very-easy-to-lose-but-still-not-cheap hub, impacting not only potential portability to say the least, but it also has significant accessibility implications.

    14. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice speech. You conveniently ignore that Android right now is a complete mess, much worse than Apple:

      - Malware routinely enters the Google play store. What's the point of the store if they can't guarantee safety?
      - Stagefright bugs SILL haven't been completely fixed (for how many years now?);
      - They just found out that Android has a vulnerability in EXIF processing, allowing your system to be infected by a booby-trapped email (that you don't even need to open). This bug has been around for ages, and apparently, it's easy to discover if you are looking for it;
      - The UI changes every other version;
      - Updates come slow or not at all, unless your device is blessed;
      - Despite being one of the main pluses of Android that geeks like us like to talk about, it is REALLY HARD to get root on some devices, or to install a different rom. Oh, and it (illegally, but that's another matter) voids your warranty;
      - And now, Samsung's phones keep exploding (You'd figure that they had testing procedures to detect this).

      I'm probably forgetting many other problems. Anyway, I dislike Apple, however, I am seriously considering abandoning the Android camp altogether because Android just isn't reliable any more.

      Yes, I could compile my own Android, not use the Play store, and buy from a different manufacturer to avoid most of these problems. But, hell, when I buy a device, I have certain expectations, mainly, that it works without much hassle.

      If I wanted to spend my weekends recompiling packages, I would go back to Gentoo.

    15. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because bluetooth audio sounds terrible. Because it runs down your battery on your phone. Because bluetooth headphones need to be charged. Because bluetooth headphones are more expensive. Because you have your phone in your hand already checking Twitter/Facebook/etc. Because only hipsters have bluetooth headphones. Because you can't change the album, find songs, without taking your phone out.

    16. Re: iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

      Last I checked, Bluetooth 3 and 4 offers 25Mbps. I'd have a hard time saying that isn't adequate for uncompressed, bitstreamed audio. However said devices require a reasonable codec, DSP and DAC to to be viable and overcome your concerns.

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    17. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Android is generally faster at opening the same app etc

      Dead wrong. The year old iPhone 6s runs circles around the Note 7 in exactly this test

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-61FFoJFy0

      Maybe its the hardware maybe its the apps but for the end user the result is the same

    18. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

      what's wrong in ripping off of "gullible customers"? isn't the reason to be gullible is to be ripped off? how else will wealth move to the right place?

    19. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by c · · Score: 1

      Why is Apple doing this, really?

      Courage. Because wireless is the way to go.

      Just don't ask about that wireless charging stuff...

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    20. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My LG bluetooth headphones are running nearly 8 hours and are connected to my iPhone 6 plus during the week. When I get home, I have 50% left on the battery on my phone and my headphones are at 'medium'. I mow the lawn using them, then charge them both at night.

      Yep drained my battery something awful...the experience was terrible.

      Keep finding a reason to bitch and moan.

    21. Re: iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by peragrin · · Score: 1

      That's funny my bose Bluetooth speakers sound good with my iPhone.

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    22. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I use Plantronics Backbeat bluetooth headphones when I exercise. They work pretty good too.
      If I want to do serious listening I have a nice setup at the house. For me,music on the phone is more about convenience then sound quality.

    23. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My wired headphones have been running for 4 years straight.

    24. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It isn't technology-related, since both Sony and Samsung fit far more features into less space - again, without sacking the headphone jack.

      That isn't factually true: Samsung S7 (142.4 x 69.6 x 7.9 mm) and your S7 Edge (149 x 72 x 7.62 mm) vs iPhone 7 (138.3 x 67.1 x 7.1mm) and iPhone 7 Plus (158.2 x 77.9 x 7.3 mm). Your phone is shorter and thinner than the iPhone 7 Plus but not the iPhone 7. Both iPhones are thinner than either S7 and the iPhone 7 is the definitely smallest of the group. It's not factually true that Samsung fit more into less space in your specific example.

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    25. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not true. It's rare to see people with bluetooth headphones because they are a crappy user experience and usually shit sound quality too.

      Depends on where you are. I see them all the time and use them myself.

      Bluetooth earbuds are GREAT for the gym and when going for a run. In this specific usecase, the lack of wires trumps just about any other concern: you don't care about the audio quality, because they're providing background noise and you're likely not paying that much attention. A workout is unlikely to last longer than a charge, and you can just charge them as part of your post-workout shower and clean up routine.

      That being said, only about half the people I see working out have gone wireless. The rest make do with the wires: they're annoying, but you can deal with them. Not to mention I know some people who manage to routinely destroy their earbuds, so having a $5 pair rather than a $200 pair is a no-brainer. I personally would rather not have a wire to snag when working out.

      Any other scenario, such as listening to music while working? Yeah, no, not going with Bluetooth. I have a good regular wired headset I use when I want to listen to music when I'm at work and don't want to annoy coworkers. In that scenario - the more common scenario for most people, I'll bet - Bluetooth and wireless anything are terrible.

      I wonder how long it'll take for Apple to add the headphone jack back? My guess is that they'll wait until they drop below 5% market share before reversing course. They're already well on their way with 12% of the smartphone market and this decision isn't going to help them.

    26. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      requiring a pricey and fragile, easy-to-lose, bulky adapter.

      lol fucking dramatic

    27. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not true... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      As you can see, even the previous generation (6S) iPhone runs rings around current Android devices at launching applications. More so, even with half the amount of RAM it had managed to keep more of them in memory than the Android device. iOS is both more efficient, and running on faster hardware.

    28. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It turns out, even with twice as much RAM, android is slower... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    29. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      iOS requires less memory than Android because its applications are native. iPhones have always had less processor and memory but outrun Andoid anyway.

      Android runs native as well, and when you update the OS it goes through and recompiles all apps to use the latest SDKs and OS features on your phone - all optimized for your hardware platform.

      You are a moron with an agenda.

      That's OK - you're just ignorant... ;)

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    30. Re: iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      The fact that you need an adaptor at all is a failure and a criticism. You not recognising this shows that your special world doesn't account for something that millions of people do on a daily basis, listen to music, often while their phone is on charge, and without the requirement to lug around and attempt to not lose a tiny adaptor.

    31. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      The Samsung S7 and S7 Edge have 2560x1440 screens. The iPhone 7 has 1334 x 750 and the 7 Plus has 1920 x 1080. So you get a LOT more pixels and - in the case of the iPhone 7 - much bigger screens as well (the two Samsung models and the iPhone 7 Plus are 5.5" units). Considering that's the main UI, adding the thickness of a fingernail to the package is pretty insubstantial. Of course, if you REALLY want thin, you can go with the Gionee Elife 5.1 that has about the same resolution as the iPhone 7, but packs it into a package just 5.2mm thick (about 2mm thinner). Oh - and it keeps the 3.5mm jack as well... :)

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    32. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Android runs native as well, and when you update the OS it goes through and recompiles all apps to use the latest SDKs and OS features on your phone - all optimized for your hardware platform.

      Apple doesn't have to do any of that because it ships you the binaries specific for your phone only. So Android is at some point slower because it's busy doing that work (though it only has to do so once per update).

      That's OK - you're just ignorant... ;)

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    33. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Huh. So when updating the OS (which is when the binaries are recompiled), that's the "delay" you're complaining about? It's done when you update the OS; when you can RUN the OS (it's rebooted) everything is nice and native. I know you're a huge Apple fanboy, but you really, REALLY should educate yourself a bit about the competition. Or you come off looking like a fool for the ignorance you display!

      PS: because of the way Android runs, apps written back for Android 2.0 still work. Do apps written for the 3GS still run without issue? Or does the author have to recompile first?

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    34. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Huh. So when updating the OS (which is when the binaries are recompiled),

      It doesn't do that when you download a new app?

      Well then it would be slow.

      But I'm pretty sure it does that after you download a new app, making the overall system slower while it does that work...

      Or you come off looking like a fool for the ignorance you display!

      Funny that it seems I know more than you. But then I do develop mobile apps for a living, so I guess that would be expected...

      Do you own both iOS and Android devices? Because I own both.

      Do apps written for the 3GS still run without issue?

      Yes, which I know all to well since I had an app in the launch of the App Store that to my shame I have not updated for years.

      After all, they were native to begin with... not as optimized as they cold be but they are still native ARM code.

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    35. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      PS: because of the way Android runs, apps written back for Android 2.0 still work. Do apps written for the 3GS still run without issue? Or does the author have to recompile first?

      Depends. Sometimes they do. Generally they do not. Apple tends to not really care about backwards compatibility, so it's a complete crapshoot. I remember that a 2-factor authentication app had to warn people about upgrading to iOS 9.3 because it would break the authenticator requiring a complete reinstall of the app.

      Anyway, it doesn't matter: Apple is going to remove access to apps that old entirely.

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    36. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't have to do any of that because it ships you the binaries specific for your phone only.

      Actually they do have to do it. Starting in iOS 9 I think, developers compile to bytecode and then Apple compiles to the native code on their own cloud servers.

      So the difference between Android and iOS is that Android compiles the code on your device (because of the wide variety of devices) while Apple compiles it in the cloud because of the very small number of devices they support.

      Of course this means that when you update iOS, you have to re-get all your apps from the cloud. Hope you don't have a metered data plan!

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    37. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Wireless Charging will be used to force the lemmings to ditch their 7 for an 8 next year.

    38. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Huh. SuperKendall just claimed otherwise! But then, he's a known Apple Fanboi so...

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    39. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      See the other response to my post. The other poster says you're full of crap and provides a link backing up the whole old-version-apps-not-working thing. I think your Apple Colored Glasses are too firmly in-place!

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    40. Re: iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both my car and BT headset has an issue where if I try and switch from speaker or wired to BT while listening to audio the quality drops to less than usable. I have to connect the BT before any audio is being produced and then select my feed. Happens with both my iPhone and Droid. I always assumed that was part of the lag of BT.

    41. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Their engineers made the same mistake a year ago with the Macbook, turning a previously good computer into a toy that you can't charge while using it to charge your phone (making it a terrible choice for the college market, which was their primary target market). The new crop of hardware designers are, IMO, utterly ruining Apple's product lines.

      Now is the time to buy whatever usable Mac and iOS hardware you can buy. Winter is coming.

      And it will be a long, cold winter if history is any indication.

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    42. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am sure glad they didn't let you decide when to ditch Flash.

    43. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lack of a separate port for headphones makes it impossible to charge the device while using wired headphones

      The lack of a separate port for headphones makes it possible to charge consumers an insane amount of money for wireless headphones. This proves the change was about making mo' money than solving any issue.

    44. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      In every previous instance, something better was available, with the sole exception of Ethernet, and because that is used exclusively while you're sitting at a desk somewhere, an adapter is just a minor nuisance. Neither is true for headphones. There is no wired standard for headphones other than 3.5mm, and by removing that jack, Apple has done absolutely nothing to drive people to a newer, better standard other than taking away a standard that worked reasonably well. This is not how innovation works.

      And wireless headphones suck. Even the AptX codec's 40 ms latency is easily noticeable (and Apple doesn't support that codec). The 150 ms standard Bluetooth latency might as well be a minute. It is horrible to the point of being almost unusable in my experience. That's not even factoring in the headache of having to charge your headphones versus being able to carry them around for days or weeks at a time in a bag or glove compartment and not have to think about them except when you need them.

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    45. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to make yourself look like a fool? All he says is "generally they do not" without saying why or under what circumstances. The link he provided is about Apple going into the store and thankfully, removing very old apps that have not been updated in forever... that means my own app needs updating also, but honestly I think it was a greta move for Apple to force people to move forward or drop apps.

      I know for a fact the older apps still work because (a) I still get feedback from my app (again not updated in the app store since the iPhone 3G model), and (b) I can still download in on on any model iPhone I've ever tried. So you can believe what you like, or reality. The choice is up to you.

      Again, I am actually a mobile developer, and have worked on apps for both iOS and Android, what are YOUR qualifications to understand this, if any?

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    46. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, crippling the iPhone further with the removal of the highly standardised headphone jack, requiring a pricey and fragile, easy-to-lose, bulky adapter.

      And can you imagine? It takes one more plugging event. Jeezuz K Ryste! People will die of the exertion. Expect a Yuge class action suit against Apple! Yuge!

      Or if you are like me, you'll put the pricey and fragile and easy to use adapter in a drawer somewhere, because you never use it ever. I didn't buy a wirless phone to attach wires to it.

      I hear Samsung is bringing out a smartphone with an Ethernet jack on it and a landline jack as well. Because of some reason or another.

      And since we are on standardized, Samsung should bring out a phone with a higly standardized rotary dialer.

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    47. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      This! Of course, the people yapping about the superiority of the headphone jack over bluetooth are most likely Android users thinking they have some sort of Ford versus Chevy talking point going on here.

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    48. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The OP said: "It isn't technology-related, since both Sony and Samsung fit far more features into less space - again, without sacking the headphone jack." Specifically he disavowed that it had to do with technology so your post is sorta irrelevant. As far as the Gionee Elife S5.1 is concerned it isn't ip68 so, again, irrelevant.

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    49. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You won't because such setups aren't needed. First off, iPhone users will migrate away from headphones that require dongles and, second, phones don't commonly need to be plugged in to listen to music. When they need charging you stop listening.

      You are a moron with an agenda.

      I think most iPhone users have migrated away from corded headphones a long time ago. Which is why I'm pretty certain that the hate is just emanating from people who would otherwise be bitching about "Apple Hipsters" and "iPhone sheeple". At least for me, the headphone jack going away is roughly as important as floppy disks going away. As in not important at all.

      Your commentary to the "moron with an agenda" is spot on point. Well played sir!

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    50. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Milspec 810G? What's that? Oh you meant:

      MIL-STD-810 is a flexible standard that allows users to tailor test methods to fit the application. As a result, a vendor's claims of "...compliance to MIL-STD-810..." can be misleading. Because no commercial organization or agency certifies compliance, commercial vendors can create the test methods or approaches to fit their product. Suppliers canâ"and some doâ"take significant latitude with how they test their products, and how they report the test results. When queried, many manufacturers will admit no testing has actually been done and that the product is only designed/engineered/built-to comply with the standard. This is because many of the tests described can be expensive to perform and usually require special facilities. Consumers who require rugged products should verify which test methods that compliance is claimed against and which parameter limits were selected for testing.

    51. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The processor benchmarks are pointless, what matters is how fast stuff actually happens and Android is generally faster at opening the same app etc. Probably because Samsung flash memory is quicker or something,

      Or something. Seriously, I expect better from you. Your message boils down to Everything about Apple and iOs is wrong, and everything about Android runs better because of "I suppose so!"

      That's sad really. Yeah, there's a special secret building in the Arctic that has the special components that are only available to Samsung and Android device producers, and they sell the bad ones to Apple? Let's try this over again.

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    52. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5.2mm, damn that's a thick phone...Vivo X5 Max is only 4.75mm

      for shame sir, for shame

    53. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Enjoy your high-latency low-bitrate limited-bandwidth bluetooth audio, and don't complain when the audio falls out of sync with video. :-p

      And you'll scream in 3d surround sound as your proper exploding Samsung catches fire.

      Noted that blutooth is evil beyond the pale, but bttery fires are just fine. Here is an acceptable situation:

      http://www.ctvnews.ca/business...

      http://wallstreams.com/samsung...

      http://thenextweb.com/in/2016/...

      Yeah, you might want to re-think your talking points.

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    54. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Wireless Charging will be used to force the lemmings to ditch their 7 for an 8 next year.

      There are some things that work great with wireless. Wi-Fi, bluetooth. Radio.

      Then there is wireless charging. If it worked the same way, I'd be able to charge my phone while I'm anywhere in the room.

      Sadly, that isn't the case. Since wireless chanrging is nothing more than an ancient technology based on using the device as one side of a transformer, plus putting all of the charging circuitry inside the phone, taking up valuable space, you now have a device that has to be put in a very specific place. Because it isn't going to work at all if it isn't in that specific place. Might as well plug it in.

      So I for one, do not welcome our wireless charging overlords. If that is the only option on a phone - I'm not buying it.

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    55. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      requiring a pricey and fragile, easy-to-lose, bulky adapter.

      lol fucking dramatic

      This! Which will probably be attached to their pricy and bulkier earphones. This is the bullshit aspect of the whole thing. A free adapter that is no harder to lose than the fscking headphones, that allows the deeply offended to plug in their headphones.

      Christ, talk about first world problems.

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    56. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by MikeMo · · Score: 1

      Wow! I didn't know that Apple and Beats were the only people that sold wireless headphones! It makes so much sense now!

    57. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by swell · · Score: 1

      Remind me please; are you the same person who whined and cried when Apple took away your precious floppy disk drive? There comes a time when you have to let go of the past.

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    58. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by RLaager · · Score: 1

      she is constantly "cleaning" by closing apps manually to avoid it getting slow.

      This, at best, does nothing, because the OS will kill apps itself if needed. At worst, it actually makes it slower, because when she reopens an app later, more work has to happen.

    59. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Pricey? The Apple lightning to headphone adapter is $9. I'm sure soon there will be 3rd party adapters cheaper.

    60. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Of course this means that when you update iOS, you have to re-get all your apps from the cloud. Hope you don't have a metered data plan!

      You've never had to redownload apps when updating iOS.

    61. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Lumia 950XL has a 1440x2560 screen and 3GB of RAM, and it predates even the Samsung GS7, much less this week's pathetic Apple phone. (Though, granted, I didn't buy mine until after the GS7 was available.)

      It also runs the mobile version of Windows, which originally was built to run efficiently on crappy 16MHz ARM v4i CPU's with 1MB of RAM. Some of the recent eye-candy has reduced that efficiency a little, but it's still a hell of a lot faster and more responsive than any Android phone I've ever used (even new ones, GS7 included, that I put through their paces before I decided to buy the Lumia). And every Android I've ever used is a hell of a lot faster and more responsive than any iPhone of equivalent spec.

      Apple is a pathetic also-ran selling nothing more than shinies. Android is catching up to WinMo on performance, and WinMo has, at this point, caught up on usability. And the Lumia has a headphone jack, too. And USB-C. Apple's dreaming if they think I'll waste money on their non-standard crap.

    62. Re: iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me me me I constantly break Bluetooth headphones from sweat or something.... Trying some anker Bluetooth ones next...

      So in the end I just use cheap wired headphones...

    63. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Run whatever you want but you probably also still run a floppy drive [..] Apple pushed the tech ahead on both fronts and changed the world for the better [..] you and your ilk claimed apple was crazy for building computers without floppies

      Ditching the floppy on the first-generation (1998) iMac was a *genius* move... from a marketing perspective. They still get endless undeserved credit for that.

      By the late 1990s, the 1.44 MB floppy disk was already uncomfortably small for most uses (the typical new PC hard drive was already 2 to 4 GB, and CD-ROMs stuffed with 700 MB of multimedia were commonplace). There was a clear impetus for something more in sync with this- the only reason people hadn't moved away from the floppy was that there wasn't a universally-accepted alternative at a comparable price. If there had been, they'd have been using it already, with or without Apple.

      Consider the (non-) "alternatives" provided by the iMac:-

      * The CD drive was read only and thus useless for outgoing file transfer. Writers were available and rapidly falling in price by the late 90s. However, they were still more expensive than read-only CD drives... which would explain why Apple didn't include one.
      * USB pen drives (often mentioned in hindsight) weren't even on the market in 1998. It would be another five or so years before they got really cheap enough to start replacing the floppy en masse.
      * The idea that one could use the Internet for file transfer is a no-brainer today when everyone has high speed broadband. It was a far less practical alternative back in 1998 when that meant using the 56 kbps dial-up modem and one couldn't be sure that the recipient had the (then far from universal) Internet access needed to receive it!

      We all knew the floppy was due for replacement by that point. Apple did the easy, attention (and credit) grabbing part of ditching it, but they didn't do the difficult work of providing a workable alternative.

      The damning proof that Apple jumped the gun on that one is provided by their own users. Why do you think almost every first-generation iMac you saw featured a third-party external USB floppy drive (in colour-matched plastic) hanging off the side?

      Enough said.

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    64. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i would put this in the context of if this company has a history of price gouging and fixing.

    65. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You know how 2.4ghz has become unusable in some places because of all the access points and clients screaming at each other? The same thing is going to happen everywhere with Bluetooth if wireless headphones become the norm.

      Only it will be worse, because it will be unpredictable as you move around. Sound will drop in and out.

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    66. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, this was below my usual standard. What I meant was that Samsung phones using Samsung flash memory and a Samsung SoC probably have an advantage. Apple likes to second source everything so at best their flash memory performance will depend on what chip you got.

      As for benchmarks, Apple always targets single core performance to get a high benchmark score. Other phones have 2x or more three multi threaded performance and on practice if you look at comparison videos on YouTube it seems that is the better design.

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    67. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      I came back to slashdot because I wanted to see the reaction to the loss of the headphone jack. Not shocked to see Slashdotters not up to the news why.

      People aren't really seeing why Apple did it. It's not for water resistance. You can jam a metal rod down there and it won't screw up your phone. They can make the jack resistant.

      It's the display driver and the new camera modules. The camera modules caused problems with the display driver board. When they moved the display driver, it interfered with the headphone jack. When that happened they toyed with the idea of removing the headphone jack. Which opened them up to improve the haptic feedback engine and all sorts of other improvements internally.

      Had Apple not supported wide color gamut on their new display and camera, I don't think they would've killed the jack. I think everything could've fit. But some of the other improvements would've suffered. With the new space I wonder if it would even have the quad core CPU with the fancy low power cores. That whole thing is powered by the thread monitoring chip that assigns which thread goes to which core. I'm sure they could've done it in software but doing it in hardware means it's one less thing the OS has to worry about.

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    68. Re: iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Khyber · · Score: 1

      You fell for Bose marketing. Those "Acoustic waveguides" are just long tubes attached to the ported part of the speaker box. They're not even cut to the same lengths across different systems of the same model. I did the same thing to a pair of car audio speakers and got roughly the same sound effect at 1/50th of the cost, easily.

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    69. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by VincentFreeman · · Score: 2

      The processor benchmarks are pointless, what matters is how fast stuff actually happens and Android is generally faster at opening the same app etc. Probably because Samsung flash memory is quicker or something, or maybe it's just the massive amount of RAM in high end models. Having a dual core CPU probably doesn't help either.

      Wow, what a bold lie. Android is NOT generally faster at opening the same app. As you can clearly see, the iPhone 6s, which is a year old, laps the brand new Note 7 when opening the same apps.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      As for Samsung "flash memory" being quicker? I'd love to know which Samsung shills are modding you up... Here's a quote from the Anandtech iPhone 6s and 6s Plus Review:

      The other truly impressive aspect of the iPhone 6s’ this generation is the storage solution. The iPhone’s storage solution here is ahead of everything else in the industry for three clear reasons. The first is the use of more advanced NAND organization. Although TLC NAND alone is going to be clearly worse for performance than SLC or MLC NAND, the iPhone 6s’ use SLC caching in conjunction with TLC NAND to improve storage performance in the situations that matter. The second is the use of PCI-Express to enable much higher bandwidths, which means that the SLC cache can really stretch its legs to reach the high levels of bandwidth that it’s capable of. The third is the use of a custom storage controller with NVM Express, which helps to realize the full benefits of PCI-Express. Overall, all of these things come together to make noticeable differences in user experience.

      http://www.anandtech.com/show/...

      Apple's silicon dominance is reflected by a superior real world user experience, and that matters since what actually happens when you use a Note 7, is an "embarrassing level of real world performance".

      The same lag carries onto scrolling performance in many applications, and infrequently in every application after heavy continuous usage. The phone does not get too hot, mind you, but we do notice that after continuous sessions, it progressively begins misbehaving. Scrolling behavior in particular is behind what you’d expect out of an $850 device, especially after this has been one of Samsung’s weak points for years. When compared to the OnePlus 3, we find that the Note 7 often neglects using its four cores as opposed to the OnePlus 3, which efficiently mixes up its core utilization when handling the same task. GPU profiling on the Note 7 makes it extremely clear that the phone leaks frames on several actions, even minor animations throughout the UI such as a WiFi network spinning circle animation. In some instances, we found outright damning displays of the Note 7’s occasionally-pitiful fluidity accompanied by the walls of green bars denoting serious difficulties pushing the frames through. But this is not just a matter of opening or returning to your application sooner than on other devices, Samsung’s software is noticeably slower than that of competing devices in almost every action. The stock keyboard still sees issues with split-second lockups, and the sharing menu on the Note 7 often leaves you waiting for options to load. The notorious TouchWiz Launcher has earned itself a reputation for slow speed and stutters throughout the years, and while it is not as bad as it used to be, it can still miss clear frames while switching through homescreens, and despite years of integration, Flipboard still remains the most jerky leftmost homescreen panel ever introduced by an OEM.

      http://www.xda-developers.com/...

    70. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an Android user.
      But this is just biased. On your bike buster.

    71. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I think most iPhone users have migrated away from corded headphones a long time ago.

      Why would you think that? More likely they have a mix, like I do. I have my expensive Bose NR set for airplanes that is wired, and several cheaper earplugs; my current fave is a Jabra on ear set that does Bluetooth or plugs in (handy when power dies), but often I am just using the built in speaker (90% of the time)

    72. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      > I think most iPhone users have migrated away from corded headphones a long time ago.

      Why would you think that? More likely they have a mix, like I do. I have my expensive Bose NR set for airplanes that is wired, and several cheaper earplugs; my current fave is a Jabra on ear set that does Bluetooth or plugs in (handy when power dies), but often I am just using the built in speaker (90% of the time)

      I don't think you are actually disconfirming what I wrote. Its hard of course, for us to apply our individual uses of smartphones. You have your 90 percent use of the built-in speaker. I've never used a plugin, and listen and talk with a Logitech bluetooth when I need a headset. Mostly I base my opinion on seeking people jogging and working out. A cord is a PITA in that case. Used to see a lot of cords, not too many lately.

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    73. Re:iPhone 7 = the new pet rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android is generally faster? Are you kidding? There are LOTS of videos out there showing your S7 Edge literally getting lapped opening a sequence of the exact same apps. Troll alert!

  4. Wrong Market by thundercattt · · Score: 1, Insightful

    See, this would impress Android users because they care about this stuff. Apple users on the other hand, just want an extra shiny Apple symbol on the back (preferably glow in the dark and glowing). And that it's the latest model so they can post "omg I got this phone" on Facebook with Selfies.

    1. Re:Wrong Market by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      See, this would impress Android users because they care about this stuff. Apple users on the other hand, just want an extra shiny Apple symbol on the back (preferably glow in the dark and glowing). And that it's the latest model so they can post "omg I got this phone" on Facebook with Selfies.

      And yet, 90 percent of the gnashing of teeth and rending of hair is from folks like you who are starting to sound a bit hysterical. I have an iphone, I don't use a headphone jack in it ever. If it is so important that you plug a headphone directly into a 1/8th inch jack the gold standard of headphone jacks, then by all means do it. Revel in how much smarter you are than the Hipsters.

      And if sound fidelity is so important that you sit in an anechoic chamber to listen to uncompressed audio on your Samsung, so the background noise doesn't interfere, get yourself a professional quality closed ear headset with a 1/4 inch stereo jack, plug it into your Samsung android phone, and enjoy

      Don't forget the adapter tho'!

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    2. Re:Wrong Market by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Apple's marketing always needed to have something to hype the superiority of their device. SoC is a good target for that. I mean, just look at how they always hyped the superiority of their SoCs for the last three years, while keeping absolutely quiet about the fact that the iphones came with the absolute minimum of usable RAM. It's still shocking to me how fast those 1GB iPhone 6 devices will become obsolete.

  5. Monty Python by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    Well, there's spam egg MojoKid and spam, that's not got much spam in it! Oh, wait, that's ALL spam except for the egg... Sorry!

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    1. Re:Monty Python by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Exactly. If I wanted to read HotHardware junk I would just visit the site.

  6. Second set of cores by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

    I'd be curious about the performance of the second set of cores, that are supposed to use 1/5th of the power of the main two cores.

    Might be very difficult to get benchmark results, because as soon as you start to run a benchmark, the phone would switch to the faster cores.

    1. Re:Second set of cores by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      Not difficult - just run 2 benchmark threads at 100% utilization, then 4 threads at 100% utilization. Subtract the two results to see the performance of the lower-power/slower cores.

    2. Re:Second set of cores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure it only ever uses one set of two cores at a time, whole point is to only use the low power ones when not doing anything intensive.

    3. Re:Second set of cores by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      If it follows ARM's big.LITTLE architecture then all four cores will run in tandem under high utilization workloads. The power savings comes during low-utilization workloads, where the lower-power cores can be used.

    4. Re:Second set of cores by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      What was said during the keynote is that all 4 cores will never run simultaneously. Either both fast cores are on or the low power ones.

    5. Re:Second set of cores by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      I watched the presentation and that was not said. Phil Schiller said they have logic to decide when to use the high-power cores vs low-power but that doesn't imply orthogonality.

      Here's the link. Jump to 94:35 for the discussion of the A10.

      http://www.apple.com/apple-eve...

  7. 3GB? Quaint by Lisandro · · Score: 1, Insightful

    My cheap One Plus X offered the same over a year ago.

    1. Re:3GB? Quaint by guruevi · · Score: 0

      Every GB you put into a phone needs to be refreshed every 10-100ns. Sure Androids need it because they're Java based but Raspberry Pi's do just fine with 256 or 512MB running full desktop Linux.

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    2. Re:3GB? Quaint by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      The OnePlus 3, which is half the price of the iPhone 7, has 6GB RAM...

    3. Re:3GB? Quaint by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      ...but RAM size isn't an important differentiation in phones.

      You can buy an 8GB memory module for far less than either phone. So what?

    4. Re:3GB? Quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that you can't really buy a One Plus X anymore. (Otherwise I would have one.)
      It's not hard to compete with a product that can't be bought.

      I might just get some phone in the $100 - $150 range like the Redmi 3S until something like the One Plus X hits the market again.
      That hard part is to not throw money at features you don't need. Sure, the 3GB model is just a few bucks more expensive but if the phone is just a temporary solution it might not be needed.

    5. Re:3GB? Quaint by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      You cant exactly upgrade the RAM in a phone, and it can become an issue - the more RAM you have, the fewer backgrounded apps the phone has to terminate due to memory limitations.

      So the iPhone being lauded because it has 3GB of memory is laughable when a cheaper phone manages to provide twice as much.

    6. Re:3GB? Quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck trying to stick that into your shiny iPhone.

    7. Re:3GB? Quaint by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear. It is a shame OnePlus canned the X - it was (still is!) a fantastic phone at a great price.

    8. Re:3GB? Quaint by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Actually, it would seem that modern systems can shut down portions of memory that aren't being used. At least I've seen some memory hardware vendors advertising this capability some time ago.

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    9. Re:3GB? Quaint by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Yes you could, but that adds complexity and any complexity costs testing, performance, die size and as a result heat. Especially at current sizes (pondering going into the single digit nanometer process) you want to put the least amount of anything in your chips these days.

      It's funny because I remember not just 20 years ago programming to fit things into a minimal amount of memory; then we got a glut and as a result languages like Java and Python; now we're all trying to cram Python and Java back into C to reduce the cycles and memory footprint.

      For a dinosaur like me it just seems "bad programming" when a single program thread *Cough*firefox*cough* goes over 500MB memory usage when it asks 2MB of resources from the rest of the systems.

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    10. Re:3GB? Quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not even canned. It's just in limbo with the odd statement from One Plus that they just don't have any plan to make more at the moment and don't plan to develop a replacement.

    11. Re:3GB? Quaint by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Hi there, perhaps you're not aware of the fact that Android runs native machine code, and has for the last 2 years.

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    12. Re:3GB? Quaint by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      the more RAM you have, the fewer backgrounded apps the phone has to terminate due to memory limitations.

      And people wonder why Android phones have worse battery life...

      RAM isn't the only reason to terminate applications.

      So the iPhone being lauded because it has 3GB of memory is laughable

      I'm the one laughing at 2am after my friends with Android phones have been done for hours.

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    13. Re:3GB? Quaint by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I can buy an 8GB MicroSD card at Walgreens for $4.99 at the corner drugstore.

      And, actually.... hmmm, With a MicoSD card I can have a whole SD card wallet full of them with different movies and music on each and plug them in as I wish on my phone. Because it has an external SD slot. So my phone is easily expandable to half a terabyte and the total cost is still less than the cheapest iPhone.

      I know that it isn't the same thing at all as having 4 or 6 GB of RAM for the SOC. But I'm not sure the commenter I am replying to knows that.

    14. Re:3GB? Quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what do you need 3 GB for?

      Are you running the backend database server for a popular web site on your phone?

    15. Re:3GB? Quaint by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      So what do you need 3 GB for?

      Are you running the backend database server for a popular web site on your phone?

      No, but unlike my previous phones with 1 and 2GB, i don't ever need to manually kill apps. The phone always feels snappy and responds fast.

    16. Re:3GB? Quaint by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      That has no impact on memory usage though - and it's memory usage that was under discussion. It's a fact that Java exerts more memory pressure on a system than the native code that runs on iOS does. That's why those Android phones have to have so much memory, and still don't match the performance of iOS.

    17. Re:3GB? Quaint by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      See you don't follow. Android isn't Java based. Sure, it can be PROGRAMMED with the Java language, but the executables - and the OS itself - are native machine code. It's no more a Java-based system than a desktop PC is Java-based because someone wrote a program in Java then compiled it into a platform-specific executable.

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    18. Re:3GB? Quaint by brantondaveperson · · Score: 2

      No, I do follow. Whether or not Java is compiled to bytecode, and executed by an interpreter, or compiled further down into machine code, has no effect on the memory usage of the running java application. Java uses more memory than objective C, because one is garbage collected, and the other is not (or rather, it isn't on iOS - it can be on a mac).

      Garbage collection is not an appropriate memory handling strategy on mobile devices, because it trades off memory and CPU cycles against ease of programming. Java was not a good choice.

    19. Re:3GB? Quaint by guruevi · · Score: 1

      So you're saying someone re-coded, by hand, the entire Android OS into various assembler versions of the various ARM and x86 flavors? You don't know the difference between 'native machine code' and 'compiling to native machine code'. Down under the heaping pile of Java interpreters it has always been compiled (in the past this was interpreted, later JIT) to native machine code, otherwise it would just be data. Sure you can skip a few steps by pre-compiling, that will make Java "faster" if you give up a number of 'features' that coding against a VM traditionally allows you to do but you're still using Java, and even though the OS might be 'better optimized Java', the apps are not.

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    20. Re:3GB? Quaint by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Oneplus X was a flawed device because it did not support AT&T's LTE band 17, and I believe the band 12 which was used by some other carrier. You could still use the Oneplus X with any major carrier, but the deletion of those crucial low-frequency bands meant you will have less than optimal LTE signal in many areas. Otherwise Oneplus X was great.

    21. Re:3GB? Quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen the phonebuff Speedtests on YouTube where real life performance of phones are compared ?
      Its very clear you haven't, because the iPhone 6s with just 2GB of RAM manages to keep all 14 test apps open in the background. Unlike your 6GB OP3.

      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTkBYBBsS7_xZf65YjVC00b-6b2RwtSF4

    22. Re:3GB? Quaint by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? Compiled programs are as memory intensive as interpreted programs? Seriously - you want to claim that?

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    23. Re:3GB? Quaint by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      The Dalvik interpreter is still present in the system, and it's probably quite small compared to the size of the java runtime anyway. In either case, the reason for Java's high memory usage is not that it's interpreted or otherwise - it's due to the use of garbage collection (amongst other things). Garbage collection means that at any given time, the program is using more memory than it strictly needs to. It further means that additional CPU cycles have to be dedicated to searching the heap, following references, in order to find things like circular references and so-on.

    24. Re:3GB? Quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a real interesting group of friends you hang with, all out till 2am on your phones all night. I can see it now, you're all sitting at a bar, or table at a restaurant phones glowing in your faces all night. How bout you know put the phones away and spend some quality time with the people you are within 5 feet of!

  8. More powerful to do what? by JosephDoeden · · Score: 1, Informative

    They need to improve the software, not the hardware. Pushing the hardware for profit is going to undermine the brand. The existing hardware is powerful enough to run a well written mobile OS. The only half way good mobile OS appears to be Windows 10 or perhaps some version of Linux. Android and iOS are horrible. They are operating systems made to sell apps and mine people's data. On top of all that the mobile platforms are too immature to trust with personal data and they are being stuffed with personal data. You have an entertainment toy/phone being sold as a personal computer and the software is not robust enough to offer either the value or the security. If you weigh the costs and benefits, smartphones are a net loss other than to the companies who got rich selling them.For users, they really don't offer much more than a flip phone and are way easier to break and half like 1/3 the battery life. Flip phones also did not mine your personal data nearly as much. Studies show smartphones lowers productivity and with the huge costs and the horrible, malware filled app stores. I see a trend, not a solid industry with any real vision or direction. They are just scrambling to make the fast money while they can and offering very little value for our dollar. The cheap 100-200 dollar smartphones can offer decent value, but for the key uses of being a phone and texting they are probably a net loss due to the unreliable battery levels. (texting may be faster, but the phone being off for periods fo time offsets most benefits), but there is nothing a 600 dollar smartphone can do that warrants 3 times the cost of the 200 dollar one. The premium phones offer almost nothing for the money other than silly features that come and go. What they really need is better software across the board. Android and iOS could go back to the drawling board and reinvent the UI and really no be doing any worse then ever.. that's how generally undeveloped their UIs really are.. they may as well all be viewed as beta operating systems at this point. A good phone MUST be able to be controlled by one hand. That's how we've used phones for a long time. Large phones you can't hold right or interfaces that don;t adjust automatically are just not acceptable or well thought out. These companies are experimenting with customers necessary infrastructure and they are not being careful at all. They don't care about our personal data. They pile it up and sell it, that's how little they care about your security. If they cared they would not be mining your data because they would realize the liability is not worth the risk when you are still building and secure the basic mobile platform. So.. who cares how fast yet another overpriced and under conceived smartphone happens to be. What is it that we are really supposed to do with these things? They aren't better phones, they basically refuse to finish voice commands, the music apps are all horrible scams designed to sign you up for their services now. The best parts of the platforms are being all tied directly in profit motives. The three major features of a smartphone beside being a phone are supposed to be to get email, to take pictures and to play music. The scan ALL out email to sell us adds, they broke all the music apps unless you pay 10+ a month to get all the features. Whats next? Are they going to make us pay 10 bucks a month to use the camera too?

    1. Re:More powerful to do what? by gtall · · Score: 1

      No one is going to read a run-on rant that covers several inches of screen without so much as paragraph breaks.

  9. Performance by Dan+East · · Score: 0

    Apple's SOCs ... simply do more with less resources

    That's because the tagline for Java could be:

    simply do less with more resources

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    1. Re: Performance by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Android phones don't run Java. The source is just a very limited subset of Java code that is trancoded to byte code that will not run in a Java runtime. Oracle likes to fud up the issue.

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    2. Re: Performance by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      LOL You have a grave misunderstanding of the Oracle vs Google issue.

      Andoid doesn't use "Java" because the licensing agreement for "Java" was unacceptable and Java itself was open source. Google complied with the requirements in using the source while also respecting the requirement NOT to call the product "Java". Android uses Java technology in bulk (and does so legally), it's just not a Java product capable of running Java apps directly.

      Regardless of the name, the comment you replied to is dead-on accurate. Android requires more hardware to run because it uses a virtual machine rather than a native application environment. It gets this because it is based on Java. Whether it is good or bad is a matter of perspective, but time will favor the Android approach.

    3. Re:Performance by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Educate yourself. Android runs native machine code.

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    4. Re: Performance by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yer right, no one would ever think to compile Java direct to machine code.

    5. Re: Performance by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Actually, developers can code native code that isn't bytecode to run on Android devices. It isn't as portable, and obviously isn't something you can just toss in an App Store and collect the $$, but it's doable and the tools to write such code are readily available.

      You don't even need to own a Mac to develop for Android. You can use your Linux or Windows box.

    6. Re: Performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to catch up with the times. -PCP

  10. I don't need faster, I need cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need a phone that is twice as fast. I can only talk and type so quickly. I need a phone that is half the cost. I really, really don't want to pay $600 every 3 years because my goddamn iPhone is built for obsolescence. Really.

    1. Re:I don't need faster, I need cheaper by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      I know i'm stating the obvious, but if you don't want to buy a new iPhone... don't. You old one will work just fine for the foreseeable future.

    2. Re:I don't need faster, I need cheaper by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      iPhone SE 32GB is $450 and has the same fast A9 processor as the 6s/6s+.

    3. Re:I don't need faster, I need cheaper by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      If your current iPhone is still relatively new, it will be at least a year or so longer before Apple cripples it with an iOS update designed with that in mind.

    4. Re:I don't need faster, I need cheaper by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If your current iPhone is still relatively new, it will be at least a year or so longer before Apple cripples it with an iOS update designed with that in mind.

      [Citation Needed] And when has Apple done that?

      iOS 10 Compatibility List
      The oldest iPhone: iPhone 5 (September 21, 2012)
      The oldest iPad: iPad 4th gen (November 2, 2012)
      The only thing you could say is the iPod Touch has to be new.

      If anything newer versions of iOS work well with older iOS devices. You can't say that about Android devices.

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    5. Re:I don't need faster, I need cheaper by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      If your current iPhone is still relatively new, it will be at least a year or so longer before Apple cripples it with an iOS update designed with that in mind.

      Got a 5 when they first came out. When is the crippling update supposed to happen?

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    6. Re:I don't need faster, I need cheaper by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Got a 5 when they first came out. When is the crippling update supposed to happen?

      Next week, isn't it? If history is anything to go by.

    7. Re:I don't need faster, I need cheaper by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Got a 5 when they first came out. When is the crippling update supposed to happen?

      Next week, isn't it?

      Prolly not. I've had many updates so far, and they've all been good. Even so, I'm not worried. MOs of my Android friends have started on their third phone since I got my 5.

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  11. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wahhh

  12. A10 Fusion? by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't A10 Fusion a bit of a weird name? AMD called their APU's "Fusion" when they first came out and gave them model numbers A6, A8, A10.... Even though they dropped their "Fusion" branding, I am sure I am not the only tech guy who upon hearing "A10 Fusion" thinks of an AMD APU. And it's been just five years since they came out, it is not like you have to be an old geezer to remember.
    Unless I've missed something and Apple now uses AMD APUs on their iPhone...

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    1. Re:A10 Fusion? by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      It seems to be based on their version of the big.little ARM chip concept. It's technically a 4 core processor but only 2 are active at a time. Previously they used Fusion to mean a magnetic HD along with SSD cache built in. Their OS applies to term to any set of spinning disk and SSD that you combine into one virtual disk.

      So unless there's some other reason for it, it appears to be their marketing term for "slow and fast working together".

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    2. Re:A10 Fusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, there was a "Fusion A10" CPU from another company just a few years ago, they could have done a bit better. But I guess Apple is all about rehashing old things and making them "cool" ;)

    3. Re:A10 Fusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly, it turns out that Apple's version of the A10 Fusion is roughly twice as fast as AMD's fastest A10 Fusion model (and in fact roughly the same speed as their current A10 non fusion)

      AMD A10 Fusion: https://browser.primatelabs.co...
      AMD A10: https://browser.primatelabs.co...
      Apple A10 Fusion: https://browser.primatelabs.co...

    4. Re:A10 Fusion? by raftpeople · · Score: 0

      The "A10" is an identifier assigned by ARM, the company that owns the base IP that Apple uses to modify to create their own version of the CPU. So Apple is just using that same identifier for that part of it. I think the "Fusion" part is all Apple.

    5. Re:A10 Fusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, ARM does not assign the "A10". ARM's own designs are "Cortex-An" (and there is actually no Cortex-A10, at least not yet). Apple does not license a specific design, they make their own version and the A10 is theirs. So, while AMD calls their (not related to ARM) APU's A8, A10 etc (from the original Fusion A8, A10...), there is no confusion with ARM's for example Cortex-A8. But Apple calls it A10 which is fine and then goes and adds the "Fusion" monicker making it EXACTLY the name AMD gave to their CPUs for a while.

    6. Re:A10 Fusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No it isn't. "A10" is Apple's name for the SOC. It is likely an ARMv8 descendant of the custom Twister cores from the Apple A9.

      It has absolutely nothing to do, name-wise, with ARM's Cortex A series, which does not include an A10 anyway.

    7. Re:A10 Fusion? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Um no. Since Apple has an architectural license they don't have to use ARM's core. They can make their own and call it what they want. The newest generation of ARM cores for smartphones is Cortex A72 or Cortex A73. Both are using the ARMv8-A instruction set.

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    8. Re:A10 Fusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only a benchmark could answer the question about which CPU (of a different ISA no less) is faster and by how much...

  13. Apple CPU design by sphealey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple's CPU design work doesn't seem to get much coverage outside the highly technical trade press, but they have and continue to produce great designs on the ARM base. Not sure if their license allows them to sell their chips to 3rd parties, but I'd think both the 9 and 10 series would be attractive to many systems designers (aerospace, etc). Also wondering if Apple is moving toward at least a dual-CPU (x86 + A10, say) design for the next generation of Macintosh.

    sPh

    1. Re:Apple CPU design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are kidding right? No one wants their shitty ARM designs. They are built for one purpose: iOS.

    2. Re:Apple CPU design by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      "Also wondering if Apple is moving toward at least a dual-CPU (x86 + A10, say) design for the next generation of Macintosh."

      No. How would that be useful? If Apple could produce an ARM design that could outrun x86 then MAYBE they could consider a transition. That seems unlikely.

      Apple would be more likely to be "moving toward" NO next generation MacIntosh.

    3. Re:Apple CPU design by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Not sure if their license allows them to sell their chips to 3rd parties, but I'd think both the 9 and 10 series would be attractive to many systems designers (aerospace, etc).

      Apple has an architectural license so yes they could. They chose not to do so.

      Also wondering if Apple is moving toward at least a dual-CPU (x86 + A10, say) design for the next generation of Macintosh.

      I don't see any benefit. x86 is far less energy efficient so that's why Apple does not use them in mobile devices. As for x86 they work with Intel on power and space efficiency. The only benefit is software porting as a transition; however, since they control OS X, they could move the whole thing to ARM like they when moved to x86 instead of PowerPC and not blink.

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    4. Re:Apple CPU design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No. How would that be useful?

      You could set it up as a coprocessor in some cases if you really wanted, but the actual use would be to have an ios device inside your mac.

    5. Re:Apple CPU design by gtall · · Score: 1

      Doubt it, Apple realizes their eco-system matters.

      And using an A10, probably in conjunction with some Intel heater, might cut battery usage for their laptops.

    6. Re:Apple CPU design by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Based on the latest 'Worldwide Developers Conference' which featured a theatre full of crickets for Macintosh, the Mac isn't a priority for Apple anymore.

    7. Re:Apple CPU design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if their license allows them to sell their chips to 3rd parties, but I'd think both the 9 and 10 series would be attractive to many systems designers (aerospace, etc).

      I work in automotive. I would be sceptical if aerospace would see the value of the Apple chips. I suspect a lot of the benefit is power efficiency, which a mobile phone needs an extreme version of. In an aero application, sure energy efficiency has some value, but not if it costs a lot to get it. What would the A10 offer aerospace for the cost (because it would not come cheap) other than high computing power?

    8. Re: Apple CPU design by Camembert · · Score: 1

      Indeed, imagine a raspberry pi with this processor.

    9. Re:Apple CPU design by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Does Apple ever license their technology to third parties?

    10. Re:Apple CPU design by sphealey · · Score: 1

      That's a good question. My guess is probably not, at least at the level where there is direct consumer interaction. I would think camera manufacturers would have been interested in the Lightning connector for example but I never heard a hint of discussions in the photo hardware press, leading me to think there were none. [presumably Apple in engages in the patent/technology horsetrading along with all other high-tech firms]

      sPh

  14. 2 GB on the iPhone 7 by danbob999 · · Score: 1

    Is a major disapointement. At this price, I expected 4 GB.

    1. Re:2 GB on the iPhone 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was expecting 26TB and 7,3763PB in the iCloud.

  15. Missing metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how many samples per second does the DAC chip process to send out the headphone jack?

  16. Re:It's not the CPU by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Nobody says that you have to write an app in Java for it to work on Android, actually. When I was working as a game dev a few years ago, I actually wrote more apps using ndk than I did using Java. However... while Java may be less than ideal for systems that requite the handling of fast-changing circumstances like what you might need for a video game, for instance, in terms of user-interaction, Java on Android is not generally going to be the bottleneck on performance. To be perfectly frank, the cpu usage problems you have had with Android are probably more likely attributable to the actual devices or even possibly badly written applications you have used than they are to Java.

  17. Yikes that's fast by 2ms · · Score: 1, Interesting

    About twice as fast as any Android phone in common applications performance. Or in other words, about 2 years ahead in the performance race.

    1. Re:Yikes that's fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple uses compiled to machine code software (Swift, ObjC, C++) while most of Android is a JIT-ed bytecode interpreter (of course, there are some NDK apps, but it is a small minority). This is a big difference. Android is a waste of resources.

    2. Re:Yikes that's fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does not matter even if it was 20 times as fast.
      Those that hate Apple are gonna carry on hating Apple until the cows come home (twice)

      The Phone spec whores see the iPhone and think it is at least 3 years behind their 8 core behmoths yet Apple seem to squeeze far more performance out of 2 cores than the likes of Samsung can get from four or more but this does not matter.
      My phone had more CPU and RAM than yours.
      My [redacted] is bigger than yours...
      Sums it all up really.

    3. Re:Yikes that's fast by paulhar · · Score: 2

      No, I don't think so.
      Common applications are multi-thread. Even at a basic level, one core driving the UI another driving the business logic.

      Single thread might make a difference for games, but a well written game in 2016 won't be single threaded either.

      P.S. My Note 7 reported 5499 multi-core, so it's like taking a flame thrower to the iPhone 7 plus number.

    4. Re:Yikes that's fast by paulhar · · Score: 2

      Citation needed?

      Find a common app written for iOS and Android (hmm... like GeekBench?) and the results will show the difference.
      JIT compilers are pretty darn good these days... they even use them for the web.

    5. Re:Yikes that's fast by klui · · Score: 2

      The Android subreddit was discussing this a day ago. In actuality some Android devices have slightly better performance in the multi-core benchmark while their single-core scores are much lower, although take comparing different platform scores with a dash of salt. I don't follow mobile devices but some people attribute some of this performance to come from NVMe storage in newer iPhones. https://www.reddit.com/r/Andro...

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Andro... has one of the benchmarks posted.

    6. Re:Yikes that's fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P.S. My Note 7 reported 5499 multi-core, so it's like taking a flame thrower to the iPhone 7 plus number.

      Haha, I see what you did that.

    7. Re:Yikes that's fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Note 7 reported 5499 multi-core, so it's like taking a flame thrower to the iPhone 7 plus number.

      Of course it would be like taking a flamethrower to the iphone, your Samsung Galaxy Note 7 IS a bloody flamethrower!

    8. Re:Yikes that's fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Run it out balls to the wall like that for too long and it'll probably BECOME the flame thrower.

  18. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well that way he wouldn't be able to let everyone know he works as a simple retail jockey.

  19. Battery life ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    The metric that I really want to know was not there: how long will it last when idle (waiting for incoming calls) and how long the speech time ? For me, I want a minimum of 48 hours idle, more is better. It is occasionally nice to do something else with the thing, but not all the time. This is like all computer reviews: focus on speed, for client stuff it is not what interests me.

    I did see that the $159 AirPod headphones only last 5 hours before needing recharging. Although not being a mac fanboi I can't see myself buying one.

    1. Re:Battery life ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      48hrs should be easy if it's mostly idle.

      My iPhone6 (now 2 years old) still gets disconnected from the Charger on Monday morning and then charged again on Thursday evening while there is still around 30% left. Since I have computers at home and at work, I use it sparingly... Of course, I disabled a few things, mostly notifications. I'll check for email when I feel like it and have time. After all, I'm not a slave of the phone, it's a tool.

      To be fair, the same is possible with Android, my company phone lasts the whole week without charging.

      As for the people who claim they would run out of battery while listening to music all day... You do real work now and then, do you?

    2. Re:Battery life ? by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the AirPods are 5 hours, but then 15 minutes in their case (a battery) and they run for another 3 hours. It's a pretty crappy setup if you're stuck on an overseas plane ride, but for most situations I can imagine it seems to suit me. I don't want the iPhone 7 mind you, but I haven't seen Bluetooth pods with a nice charging case before, and kind of want them.

    3. Re:Battery life ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idle: 240 hours on the 7, 384 on the 7+
      Talk time: 14 hours on the 7, 21 on the 7+

  20. Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, bluetooth is quite capable in terms of achievable fidelity. The spec allows for 768kb/sec, and can transfer CD-equivalent sample bit resolution.

    This is pretty good, in terms of human hearing, because bluetooth compression isn't just randomly lossy, it's a lot smarter than that. It's both predictive and takes into account human hearing characteristics.

    Where the most serious problem lies is the common tendency to use too much compression on music. Once that's done, there's no fixing the result.

    Here are two simple rules:

    1: Use the highest bitrate your compression software will allow you to.
    2: Remain close to the transmitting hardware when listening. Bluetooth degrades with range.

    If you follow those rules, odds are excellent that you are among the vast majority of humans who could not pick out any flaws in the resulting playback.

    Having said that, removal of the headphone jack is, IMHO, a massively unfriendly move by Apple.

    --fyngyrz
    (anon due to mod points)

    1. Re:Bluetooth by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Right now, there is only one way to get that high fidelity out of Bluetooth: AptX Wireless. Most Android phones support it. OSX supports it. iOS does not. So you're not getting that good quality. And let's not even get started on 100-200 ms of latency, making watching movies/videos on your phone look like bad 1970s overdubbed kung fu movies..

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    2. Re: Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll let you try my wu tang style.

      I'd like to try your wu tang styles, let's begin.

    3. Re: Bluetooth by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Challenge accepted! Let us see if you can stop my Raekwon strike followed with my Ghostface Killah kick!

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    4. Re:Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      768kb/s is only about half of CD quality audio. (44100 samples * 16 bits * 2 channels = 1411200b/s = 1378.125kb/s)

      And "CD-equivalent sample bit resolution" is just a very long-winded way of saying "16". Most recent audio hardware uses 24-bit audio by default. But sample size only increases precision (read: dynamic range), which isn't very important for consumer-grade electronics. (Audiophiles, feel free to disagree... quietly.)

      Bluetooth audio compression may be fancy and all, but here's the main problem with it: It's a second (or more) layer of compression.

      Your hardware uses ADPCM, Adaptive Differential Pulse Code Modulation. This is considered full-quality or "full-rate" (because no samples have been dropped, so the sample rate tells you exactly how many samples you get per second).

      But you're probably playing MP3 files. The MP3 compression algorithm attempts to throw away things you can't hear or that are easy to calculate and put back from the surrounding samples. The lower the bit-rate of the MP3 file, the more aggressive the algorithm gets in throwing samples away. MP3 files, when played back, are back-filled to full-rate ADPCM using an algorithm that attempts to put back what the MP3 compression algorithm threw away. Sometimes that results in "artifacts", where the samples it back-filled aren't quite right and make the output sound like crap. That's what the audio subsystem in the operating system feeds to the output device drivers. If that's a sound card with wired speakers/headphones, you only hear that layer of artifacts and you're done.

      But what if that sound device is actually a BT audio device? Now that driver takes the "full" (but actually back-filled and kinda wonky-sounding) ADPCM data stream and compresses it, throwing away parts of it that its algorithm determines are inaudible or can be easily re-built. But they might not be the same pieces that MP3 threw away, and that means that the faked, back-filled samples might remain, while the real, actual audio data from the original pre-MP3 source gets thrown away by Bluetooth's audio compression. Then, the BT transmitter sends it out on the radio to the receiving device, signal losses occur (as you noted), and then the receiving device decompresses it, re-back-fills it, and adds even more compression artifacts. And then the on-board DAC in the speakers/headphones plays the chunkiest, junkiest, squirreliest, jankiest, most artifact-laden mess of audio that you could possibly hope for.

      Unless, of course, those MP3's are YouTube rips, and went through a whole other round of compression before ever becoming MP3's. In that case, it's only going to be worse.

      Deleted data is gone forever. That's why it's called lossy compression . The weird sounds that come from it aren't directly caused by the loss of data, but by the attempt to put it back when there's little to no hope of ever doing so.

    5. Re: Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Charrenge accepted! Ret us see if you can stop my Raekwon strike forrowed with my Ghostface Kirrah kick!

      FTFY. (Yes, I know it's racist. Deal with it.)

    6. Re:Bluetooth by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Actually, bluetooth is quite capable in terms of achievable fidelity. The spec allows for 768kb/sec"

      That's half the data bandwidth of a regular musical CD, boss.

      "1: Use the highest bitrate your compression software will allow you to."

      I record in RAW. There IS NO COMPRESSION. I only use RAW audio for equipment testing. Bluetooth is SHIT, and so is its compression algo.

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    7. Re:Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2: Remain close to the transmitting hardware when listening. Bluetooth degrades with range.

      Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of wireless?

  21. OK, now turn off prefetch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And remove PRFM instructions

  22. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or absolutely anywhere in the retail industry from director to box packer.

  23. Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm fighting what seems to be the majority opinion with this ... but I really don't take issue with Apple ditching the headphone jack on the iPhone 7.
    For starters? It's always been a troublesome connector when dealing with phone cases. Many of them didn't allow you to push a given 1/8" jack far down enough into the phone to make a connection. (Always depended on how much plastic material someone happened to put around the metal part of the jack and so forth.)

    When using a $100 extended battery case, such things become serious problems, because you're losing the functionality you paid that much to add, every time you have to take the phone out of the case to use a set of wired headphones, or to plug it into the AUX jack in a car, or ?? That was the problem that initially drove me to start using bluetooth stereo earbuds. (I have pretty good results and sound quality with the LG Tone Infinum.)

    Besides that, though? I'm already attaching my iPhone to my Alpine stereo via a USB to Lightning cable in my Jeep. Not using the headphone jack at all for that. That allows the stereo to control much more on the phone than if it was just using an analog audio plug connector.

    There have been some good arguments made against this change and DRM, arguing that eliminating the 1/8" stereo jack in favor of something like Lightning connectors amounts to finally plugging the "analog hole" that ensures non DRM access to audio content. But I think it's VERY far-fetched to suggest the entire industry would ditch the analog audio jack. The connector is so prevalent because it's very inexpensive, as much as anything else. It's so easy to implement an audio jack in a circuit and the cables for it are about as cheap as they get. This is just something Apple sees benefits to doing (a way to ensure all the gadgets attached to the new phones use a digital audio pathway with power and control channels as part of the standard). It means more profits for Apple too, certainly. But Apple doesn't make these changes JUST because they can charge more afterwards. They only do it when they see a way to improve the user experience.

    Apple has a long-standing fascination with changing around connectors and jacks when they think they have a superior way to handle one of them. The "mag-safe" charging connector on their laptops is a good example. Yeah, it's proprietary and costs more than a barrel plug, up front. But it sure did put a stop to all those costly laptop repairs when someone breaks the charging jack loose inside of it.

    1. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not really plugging the analog hole because all they've done is move the DAC outside the phone and into a dongle. One day they may prevent such a dongle from connecting to the bus but then that is another fight altogether.

    2. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't be a big issue unless they start forcing people to buy headphones with lightning connectors or bluetooth headphones or the dongle connector becomes expensive. I think the bigger issue is the phone is otherwise not really remarkable. The new camera on the Plus is a nice improvement as well as being water resistant, but it's mostly just expected improvements to catch up with higher end Androids.

      The rumors are the next phone will be significantly different and better (a "game changer"), but the "next iPhone" being that has been rumored for years now.

      I think they're falling behind Google and MS in terms of VR and AR. Maybe VR on a phone isn't that big of a deal for most people (isn't for me), but AR opens up a lot of opportunities.

    3. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'm fighting what seems to be the majority opinion with this ... but I really don't take issue with Apple ditching the headphone jack on the iPhone 7. Watch this get modded as troll real quick, along with your post.

      This is just another Slashdot fake outrage event. Sort of like systemd. People who hate Apple for one reason or another, will wring their hands and moan how they'll never buy an iphone again because they can't plug in a headphone. Then when pointed out there is a dongle for that, will moan again about how inconvenient that is - yet going into cognative dissonance that if plugging in a little dongle is inconvenient, that somehow plugging in a headphone is the best thing going. That's --- Odd.

      But just like systemd, the apocalyptic warnings are more hystrionics than any actual problem. I've had 4 iPhones, now, and never plugged anything into the headphone jack on any of them. The missing jack is a plus for me. It means one less O-Ring on my waterproof case. Interestingly enough, in order to use an headphone jack equipped iPhone with a lifeproof case, you have to have.......... a dongle.

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    4. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Total BS. Apple removed the headphone jack to market their headphone products. Plain and simple.

    5. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by guacamole · · Score: 3, Insightful

      troublesome connector when dealing with phone cases

      Then stop buying those troublesome cases.

      When using a $100 extended battery case, such things become serious problems

      This issue concerns an insignificant portion of smartphone users. Just because they can't plug the 3.5 mm plug with the charging case does not mean that the connector had to be deleted.

      Basically, none of the arguments I have heard before, except those about space savings justified actually deleting the headphone connector. In iPhone 6S which had it, you could still use BT, digital or whatever other headphones you want.

    6. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      What happens when they take away your USB support? I guess you'll have to buy a new Jeep to get USB type c right? That will be fine. The solution is yet another dongle right? But what about the limited power draw on classic USB 2/3?

    7. Re: Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's always been a troublesome connector when dealing with phone cases.

      You think removing it will make it easier to use? Easier than simply using cables with thin connector grips?

      I'm already attaching my iPhone to my Alpine stereo via a USB to Lightning cable in my Jeep.

      Good thing everyone has the same stereo as you, and nobody uses an aux jack for sound while charging through the lightning port.

      ...eliminating the 1/8" stereo jack in favor of something like Lightning connectors amounts to finally plugging the "analog hole"

      At least that's not a real concern. So long as ears are analogue, the hole will remain wide open.

      Apple has a long-standing fascination with changing around connectors and jacks when they think they have a superior way to handle one of them.

      But that's the whole point; this isn't replacing it with something superior, it's nothing more than removing a popular and very widely used option.

      We already had wireless and lightning options, for those who liked the advantages of those and were OK with the tradeoffs. Nobody is better off for this move - but a lot of people are now inconvenienced, and some greatly so.

    8. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      If only there were a wireless solution to get audio from your phone to your car that even most low end cars have....

    9. Re: Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until Apple remove it and replace it with their own "Bluetooth-like" technoloshit.

    10. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fighting what seems to be the majority opinion with this ... but I really don't take issue with Apple ditching the headphone jack on the iPhone 7.

      How very courageous of you to post that comment.

    11. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by macs4all · · Score: 0

      Total BS. Apple removed the headphone jack to market their headphone products. Plain and simple.

      Exactly. That's why they included both a Lightning headset and an adapter to 3.5mm for free.

    12. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by macs4all · · Score: 1

      What happens when they take away your USB support? I guess you'll have to buy a new Jeep to get USB type c right? That will be fine. The solution is yet another dongle right? But what about the limited power draw on classic USB 2/3?

      Oh, FFS.

    13. Re: Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Until Apple remove it and replace it with their own "Bluetooth-like" technoloshit.

      From what I can tell, the W1 chip is basically just an early BT 5 modem, and since Apple already stated that all W1 equipped devices had upgradeable firmware, my feeling is that they are just waiting for BT 5 to be finalized (it's close enough now that only minor tweaks will happen, if any at all), and then they will have nearly a one year head start over everyone else on BT 5. Kind of like what happened when everyone had 802.11n stuff before the spec was official, and then just blew some new firmware into the stuff to make it support the official standard.

    14. Re: Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I have 4 iPhones in my family and all 4 have 3mm earbuds plugged in constantly.

      My anecdotal is larger than yours I win

    15. Re: Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the adapter allows charging at the same time, I agree with you. If it doesn't, you fell for it. Once you can't listen to music at 4% battery life you'll buy bluetooth. The ones included, perhaps, but that gives market saturation. The situation is clear to anybody that has released new "features" that close out old functionality. We used to call them engineering releases, usually just after a point release.

    16. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is they could carter to you as well as everyone else by leaving a jack there and you don't need to plug anything into it.

      Yeah you're fighting the majority opinion because "if I don't use it no one else should need to either" is crap. Then you follow by "apple makes a new connector for something that was not a standard in the first place and provide actual benefits (magsafe)" unlike here were there are literally only downsides.

      Oh and you post did not contain a single benefit to removing the audio jack. Just complaints of using it in action with your bulky case.

    17. Re: Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by macs4all · · Score: 1

      If the adapter allows charging at the same time, I agree with you. If it doesn't, you fell for it. Once you can't listen to music at 4% battery life you'll buy bluetooth. The ones included, perhaps, but that gives market saturation. The situation is clear to anybody that has released new "features" that close out old functionality. We used to call them engineering releases, usually just after a point release.

      You're an idiot.

    18. Re: Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Well, I have 4 iPhones in my family and all 4 have 3mm earbuds plugged in constantly.

      Why exactly? Does anyone use them for a phone - or do you just have an overpriced mp3 player?

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    19. Re: Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither Google nor MS have a viable AR/VR product so how are Apple falling behind? Perhaps in the BS/vapourware department.

    20. Re:Headphone jack is WAY overrated on a phone by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Well, seeing that T-Mobile just reported the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus pre-orders broke their ALL TIME sales record for any phone -- I don't think it's at all clear that my opinion was just "crap", and nobody really wants this new phone that lacks a headphone jack.

      Freeing up the space inside the phone that the 1/8" jack occupied so it could be used for other things counts as an advantage. So does the ability to make the phone a little bit thinner (even if that's a very minor advantage). Say what you will about the need for devices to get thinner and thinner ... but it's a proven seller. Laptops keep getting thinner and I can't find almost anyone who actually says they preferred one of the older, thicker styles to any of the thinner variants. People have a certain admiration for "sleekness" and appreciating how much tech is crammed into a small, thin space.

      But really, the "benefit" here amounts to giving people a push to use superior technology. That's something Apple does often, through deletion. Remember the uproar when they got rid of the 3.5" floppy drive in all of their computers? Turns out they were right.... All they did by removing it is give people that little push to move on from older tech. I remember the Windows people's snarky comments back then. "If they ever did that on a PC, we'd lose the ability to do BIOS flash upgrades and troubleshoot by booting from an alternate drive!" (Those sure look like weak arguments today when you can do all of that from faster USB flash drives that hold hundreds of times more data and cost less than a box of floppy disks.)

  24. A10 more efficient but costs more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not paying $650 for the "best" performance. A $100-150 Android cell phone provides a good enough experience.

  25. Re:It's not the CPU by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Also Apple controls the hardware and software. With Android you get many players and sometimes the optimization of the device is lacking.

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  26. Re:It's not the CPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mid-level Android phones at least until at least a couple of years ago lacked the fluidity of iOS in the OS interface level. You could see the animations were not smooth, unless you had one of the high end phones with very fast cpus. For this reason I switched to getting high end hardware in Chinese phones (to maintain the mid-level price) and now I am happy (e.g. Xiaomi Mi4 currently). But it does show it is an Android problem, not an app-specific problem.

  27. Everyone overlooks the number of pixels by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    It's not surprising that an iPhone can get by with less RAM and runs faster with a given ARM core architecture - they push a lot fewer pixels than most of their competitors. For example, the iPhone 7 Plus is 1920x1080; the Samsung S7 Edge is 2560x1440. The Samsung device is pushing 78% more pixels. When you factor that into the equation - it's surprising how efficient the non-iPhone devices are.

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    1. Re:Everyone overlooks the number of pixels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying that Android devices are crap, but less crap than you would expect given their self-imposed design flaws.

      (Hopefully someone will tell me how they can see the individual pixels on an iPhone, particularly when they place a couple of magnifying lenses in front of the screen, so an even higher pixel density is entirely justified, even when you're not using a crappy 'pentile' display.)

    2. Re:Everyone overlooks the number of pixels by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      For example, the iPhone 7 Plus is 1920x1080; the Samsung S7 Edge is 2560x1440. The Samsung device is pushing 78% more pixels.

      Which is more a function of GPU and not the CPU. Apple uses PowerVR for their GPU and Samsung used a Mali (ARM) or Adreno depending on where it is sold. Reports are Samsung devices with Mali are sluggish compared to Adreno variants.

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    3. Re:Everyone overlooks the number of pixels by iampiti · · Score: 1

      In my mind that's a mistake on Android phone's manufacturers. I can't see the difference between full hd and higher on a 5 inch screen and so can't most people. So, for me, those phones are wasting battery pushing pixels I can't see.

  28. Performance not so important anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't find people complaining about performance that much. I hear more battery life complaints, fragile and breakage issues. When Apple talks about performance I just shrug anymore. Yeah it's noticeable on paper but who cares. I'm not trying to run complex computations through it. Just watch videos, text, and play simply games. I could do that on a iPhone 4s. Save your money on hype and still get a audio jack and buy a model below the 7 series. Same would go for a Android. Don't waste extra on the latest and greatest.

  29. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they could also make one with a floppy drive for those that want one, or an ethernet jack, or an adp port for those that want to plug in an old keyboard. Times change.

  30. without being plugged in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's impressive

  31. It ships with an adaptor. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Day one, every single person that buys an iPhone 7 will be able to use their headphones without any further purchase.

    More like failure of a post...

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    1. Re:It ships with an adaptor. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      > every single person False, unless the iPhone 7 comes with a battery that lasts for days without recharge. What you meant to type was: "every person with my usage profile".

      Even people who can cope with not being able to charge their phone while using headphones will suffer a reduced product life as the battery reaches its limit of charge cycles much earlier.

      IOW, you couldn't be more wrong.

      What does this have to do with charge cycles? That's not the way LI-ion batteries work.

    2. Re:It ships with an adaptor. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They just won't be about to charge and listen to their headphones. That's a pretty common scenario.

      Belkin make a dongle that splits the lightning port so you can chain your headphone dongle to that. Half a meter of dongles and $40 just to get back the features your old phone had.

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  32. How is it pricy? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Ah yes, crippling the iPhone further with the removal of the highly standardised headphone jack

    The headphone adaptor ships free with the phone.

    The really amusing thing is it is your phone that is crippled by the inclusion of the audio jack; your phone is less good that it could be in some way because that jack has to fit in your phone.

    Why is Apple doing this, really?

    Because they know in the long run it is better for everyone, just like the ditched floppy drives while people like you raised a stick about that because they could not see past next month, to what the future held - or more importantly, what it could hold.

    It's even more amusing to think of how you probably consider yourself a technology savvy person, while sticking your head in the sand and holding out a hand to demand progress stop because you have reached a place you find comfortable.

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    1. Re:How is it pricy? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Because they know in the long run it is better for everyone, just like the ditched floppy drives while people like you raised a stick about that because they could not see past next month, to what the future held - or more importantly, what it could hold.

      We grumbled about floppies because it was a pain in the backside, and because they dropped them in a product that was otherwise highly desirable in the education market, where the floppy was still critical for several more years. The result was that nearly every iMac bought by an educational institution had an external floppy drive along with it, at least initially. Apple created a whole industry around that one design mistake. If they had waited just a couple more years for USB sticks to become readily available, nobody would have complained, but they were slightly premature, and it was annoying.

      However, the fact that the iMac wasn't portable, meant that it was just mildly annoyed grumbling. Externalizing hardware is orders of magnitude more annoying on a phone, because you don't tether a phone to your desk; you carry it in your pocket. And now, you carry it in your pocket with an adapter so that you can use your headphones, or else you charge a pair of headphones every day just in case you decide you want to use them.

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    2. Re:How is it pricy? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      USB flash drives replaced floppy disks and don't need charging. Even so, it took years for them to become affordable enough to give away. Apple jumped the gun.

      My phone would be worse without the headphone jack. I'd need a stupid Bluetooth dongle and would have no where to attach my strap. The tiny amount of extra space for battery is far less important and the headphone jack, especially since the manufacturer isn't obsessed with being 0.01mm thinner than last year.

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    3. Re:How is it pricy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still can't really give away a USB flash drive. It's five euros, and I need that for eating, or smoking.
      The security is absurdly shitty too, the drive gets a virus copy in no time if plugged in a random Windows PC.

  33. OnePlus 3 by DougDot · · Score: 1

    My OnePlus 3 has 6GB of ram, and 64 GB storage.

    And a 3.5 mm jack.

    And costs half as much.

    http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplu...

    1. Re:OnePlus 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and I still don't want one.

    2. Re:OnePlus 3 by KingMotley · · Score: 0

      Grats on your brand new phone that is almost as good as last years iPhone.

  34. Beast CPUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dont own any apple products, but their hand-drawn SoC parts are super badass. I wish the arm competitors would do whatever the fuck it is that is making the magic. iDevices A series processors are monsters. They are constantly (at least since what, the a5?) raping the competition. apple is shining in the cpu arch business on an arm license. i wish qualcomm and samsung et al could increase their power levels to over 9000 too.

    1. Re:Beast CPUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      hand-drawn SoC parts

      That's artisanal SoCs, expertly designed in California and lovingly crafted by a team of Chinese virtuosos.

    2. Re:Beast CPUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Draw me like one for your French SOCs

  35. Feature #11 of the iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can also bring it to an airplane.

  36. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    People like you would support an Apple edict that humans have been breathing air for tens of thousands of years and "times change" so now we're all going to live underwater and install iGills.

    Floppy drives were, even when Apple decided to abandon them, becoming relatively useless thanks to low capacity and speed vs increasing capacity requirements. They took a risk by being the first to abandon the device, but it was inevitable that it would have to be abandoned sooner or later.

    Ethernet jacks have been replaced by sufficiently high speed Wifi for mobile devices, although wired still has way better speed+latency and remains appropriate for fixed devices.

    ADP was a proprietary Apple standard limited to Mac peripherals superceded by the more open and functional USB.

    Analog headphone connectors are sold by dozens of low, medium and high end manufacturers, since the de facto standard is simple, open and has existed for nigh on a century. They still offer the best possible sound quality for the application - any alternative which converts to analogue close to the ear can only be as good or worse. They form a solid, dedicated connection, with sturdy waterproof variants having existed for years, and do not get in the way of other functionality, e.g. charging.

    The iPhone 7 is the Windows 8 of phones: some incremental updates plus the removal of a feature that a huge proportion of users enjoyed. Sure, we could all install the slightly kludgy ClassicShell, but it's just another thing which takes up space and can go wrong and mysteriously stops working at the next update. Although at least ClassicShell didn't stop people charging their Windows 8 tablets, so there is that.

  37. Waiting Waiting Never by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    If they had waited just a couple more years for USB sticks to become readily available

    Except it would have been twice as long until that happened because people would have just stuck with floppy drives.

    Externalizing hardware is orders of magnitude more annoying on a phone

    It's an adaptor about an inch long that you just leave on your plug. How is that seriously "orders of magnitude more annoying". The only thing I have used the audio jack for in many years on my phone is - attaching the earbuds that came with the phone. For car use, even in rental cars I just use the USB ports that just about all cars have had for many years now. For home theater use I just use Airplay, or sometimes the lIghtning dock...

    The time has come to move to the future, there are very few people that will even notice the jack is gone more than a handful of times.

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    1. Re:Waiting Waiting Never by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      If they had waited just a couple more years for USB sticks to become readily available

      Except it would have been twice as long until that happened because people would have just stuck with floppy drives.

      You have the timeline wrong there. NOR flash had been around for decades at the time Apple removed the floppy drive, and the company that released the first flash drive was already well into their development cycle by the time Apple made their announcement.

      Apple taking floppies out of their machines had had approximately zero effect on the market other than creating a market for third-party floppy drives from small niche product manufacturers. Apple's paltry 4% of the computer market in 1998 wasn't enough to make the rest of the industry even blink. Industry leaders were advising Apple to sell off its assets and return the money to the shareholders at the time, as it was reportedly about 90 days away from bankruptcy at about that time.

      So no, it would not have taken twice as long without Apple's decision. It probably would not have taken a week longer.

      Externalizing hardware is orders of magnitude more annoying on a phone

      It's an adaptor about an inch long that you just leave on your plug. How is that seriously "orders of magnitude more annoying".

      First, because you statistically will never have it with you when you need it, for one, unless you buy a $10 adapter for every pair of headphones you own. Second, because they're bulky enough to be annoying in your pocket. Third, because it means you can't use the same headphones with your laptop and your cell phone from the same manufacturer without carrying an extra cord solely for the purpose of making your phone compatible with your headphones. It is completely ridiculous.

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    2. Re:Waiting Waiting Never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to think twice before tethering your phone by bluetooth or usb to any rental car's infotainment system.

      https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/09/04/0912201/ftc-warns-consumers-dont-sync-to-your-rental-car

  38. They are letting users choose by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You are free to buy any other phone that features legacy audio technology as a "feature".

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    1. Re:They are letting users choose by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      You are free to buy any other phone that features legacy [my emphasis] audio technology as a "feature".

      That use of language, in itself, shaping the debate in the direction that Apple would prefer; that the traditional jack is viewed as a "legacy" technology, with the implication that it's still in use but obsolescent and superseded by something everyone has agreed is better.

      And, yes, people are free to choose another phone. They're also still free to criticise the new iPhone whether or not they make that choice.

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    2. Re:They are letting users choose by macs4all · · Score: 1

      You are free to buy any other phone that features legacy audio technology as a "feature".

      For about one more year, until everyone else ditches the 3.5mm Jack.

    3. Re: They are letting users choose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a thought: if the audio jack is going to be outdated within a year, then why does literally every guitarist the world over still use analogue cables? I understand, those are quarter inch jacks, and you may think it's "different" but it's not. Apple is just trying to build a better mousetrap again without realizing that the best mousetrap is already used by everyone.

    4. Re: They are letting users choose by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Here's a thought: if the audio jack is going to be outdated within a year, then why does literally every guitarist the world over still use analogue cables? I understand, those are quarter inch jacks, and you may think it's "different" but it's not. Apple is just trying to build a better mousetrap again without realizing that the best mousetrap is already used by everyone.

      That IS quite different; and if you understood guitar electronics, you'd know why.

      First, let's discuss the guitar itself: Even today, many guitars are not only entirely analog; but they are often "passive". That is to say, they have no "active" electronics. So, it wouldn't really be practical to retrofit those guitars with batteries and electronics necessary to make them have a digital output. And you would also be giving up some of the sounds that come from the subtle interplay between the guitar pickup and the "front end" circuits in the guitar amp.

      And If you are saying that they should change their output to a digital format, then you make them incompatible with the WHOLE of guitar amplifiers and effects. Since those are ALL equipped with analog I/O for the main signal path, absolutely no advantage would be gained, because the guitar's digital output would have to be converted immediately to analog; thus losing any advantage of a digital signal path. Add to this the fact that many, many guitarists actually prefer old technology such as tube-based amplifiers and old analog effects (mostly because of "mystique", IMHO), and you have the epitome of "just because you can do a thing...".

      But if you offered at least some of those same guitarists a relatively practical way to use a more reliable connector than the standard 1/4 inch "phone" connector, you would find at least some of them would jump at the chance! Why? because almost EVERY guitarist has had more than one annoying run-in with that "wonderful" connector.

      Like with the 3.5mm "phone" connector on earbuds and headphones, and the 1/4 inch versions before them, the problem is actually most often with the JACK, not the PLUG. The contacts get bent back, from accidently applying side-load on the cables, plus crud and oxide and bar-smoke deposit themselves on the contacts (and on the plugs, too), making the connections either annoyingly intermittent, or worse yet, actually act like the diode junctions in an old crystal radio set! That's right, a bad guitar Jack can actually pick up AM radio signals!!!

      And by the way, there have been a few guitars, such as the Gibson Les Paul Studio guitar and bass, that used a different connector (in that case, an XLR connector), and despite its problems, the 1/4" phone connector is simply used because it is simply used; but it is NOT because it is the BEST connector that COULD have been used. Maybe when the first electric guitar was invented; but CERTAINLY not now.

  39. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it isn't. Well, it can be, but most people associate barcodes with UPCs and SKUs are not UPCs. Neither are useful to this discussion. Model number is the correct term.

  40. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by 2ms · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that it still has a headphone jack. The only difference is that it requires headphones (that come with the phone) that use a newer plug design that enables more technological capabilities. Really it's more like when floppies went from 5.25 to 3.5".

  41. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can plug in the headphone jacks it comes with a converter sheep

  42. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People forget that 3.5mm socket has become common on phones only in the last decade. Nokia, Sony, Motorola supplied their headphones with proprietary connector or you could buy a 3.5mm converter. Then some started introducing 2.5mm plug, which also wasn't very standard. I can remember all this as I couldn't understand silliness of not using the standard 3.5mm. That said, it's not fair to say that Apple is killing a standard that was around for 100 years. It arrived to phones many years after they were able to play mp3s.
    It's also a bit ironic that Apple is copping it after being a key contributor to bringing 3.5mm to phones (remember Motorola ROCKR) and (now theirs) Beats created the whole headphones craze and general populous carying more about being able to use their cans.

  43. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You have all those complaints yet you still buy Apple products? No wonder Apple has contempt for it's users.

  44. Hear, hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only will we *not* read that Wall-O-Text, we'll even compose replies about how we haven't read it. Like me!

  45. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    No thanks. I hate when companies have to maintain multiple product lines especially with minor differences between each one.

    I don't care if it eats into profits, there is something to be said for maintaining one's company's dignity.

    You know, profits isn't the only reason for a for-profit company to exist. In fact profit doesn't have to even be required .. even if it's not a non-profit.

    Making a headphone and non headphone version of the iPhone would be extremely annoying and stressful.

  46. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you still use a dial-up modem? Or better yet an actual floppy disk? I bet a flash drive would totally blow your mind! You upset about the removal of a port that is literally older than you but not about Samsung new phones being banned for exploding. Priorities.

  47. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You make a lot of good points blindseer! I'm...Im going to rape you now.

    (bends blindseer over, stars raping)

    (blindseer tries to get help but his dumb phone can't understand speech calling)

  48. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jac by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Or absolutely anywhere in the retail industry from director to box packer.

    Not just retail; but any industry that creates, handles, or sells goods on any level.

  49. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by dbialac · · Score: 2

    Now ask the question, "How many of you have wired headphones? How often do you use them." You'll get a dramatically different response from the optical drive question.

  50. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by macs4all · · Score: 1

    People forget that 3.5mm socket has become common on phones only in the last decade. Nokia, Sony, Motorola supplied their headphones with proprietary connector or you could buy a 3.5mm converter.

    You're absolutely right! I forgot all about that horrid little adapter on my Motorola or Nokia phone, and then, it only went to a 2.5mm Jack. Getting to a 3.5mm meant yet another adapter.

  51. Re: Who gives a shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent up.

  52. Missing 3.5mm jack by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    Those making an issue of the missing jack are just narcissistic shit-heads.

    Apple has always done what they wanted in terms of features, ports and technology. They only have to justify decisions to shareholders, and I doubt there are any shareholders who matter that are wringing their hands over Apple's stock price at the moment.

    If you don't like the product, don't buy it. It's not difficult, unless you have the severe mental issues often demonstrated by many bigoted shitfaces who unreasonably hate a company they do no business with.

  53. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by fferreres · · Score: 1

    You don't understand because it doesn't affect you. I use lightning to charge and the jack for audio in my car, a 328i, and this is the only combination that works well.

    I don't understand how this benefits me. Ultimately, Apple does a lot of things that have no benefit for me. They lost the grip. Just looking at the awful remote for AppleTV...everyone in my family has troubles with it. Interrupts movies all the time. There are so many things wrong with Apple design they should start tanking as a hint.

    I am slowly accomulating for a complete move. When the iPhone 1 came out, they hadn't ask me, but it was exactly what I wanted. These last phones are a shame, even with the amazing technology they have they are a huge shame. Phone doesn't last a day, screen cracks (requires full LCD change) - everyone I know cracks this phones once or twice. People with 16gb can't do anything at all.

    I even had to switch from Mail to Outlook iOS. That is embarrassing Apple. You are goong to tank because you are just riding Jobs shadow, but it's so blurry now that you don't know how far off you are.

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  54. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by fferreres · · Score: 1

    I am glad to be meeting here as important as you. You don't use the jack? They didn't change it to please you (you don't matter to them!!!). They did it to prop sales a Beats and further reinforce their walled sheeple garden.

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  55. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by fferreres · · Score: 1

    I need lightning for something else. If they had two lightning slots I wouldn't mind.

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  56. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by muecksteiner · · Score: 1

    You know what? I'm fully aware that Apple did not change this to please me. I am fully aware that they (almost) solely did that to make people buy more of their other products. Sure thing. Corporate logic 101.

    But as this change does not interfere with my specific needs and priorities (!), I am still happy to get the iPhone 7 as is. If they had broken something I need, I might go and buy an Android device. Or stock up on iPhone 6S, to last me through the Connectorless Ice Age. But if the iPhone 7 still meets my needs, it gets bought. Simple as that. It's called informed choice, or something like that.

    The point I wanted to make is that maybe, just maybe, Apple actually weighed the market balances properly before making the change. And figured out that there are enough customers who, like me, will not care enough about the old connector going away to stop buying iPhones. That's all I wanted to say. Not a general absolution of Apple, or their often enough fairly slimy corporate strategies. Nope. Just a comment that removal of that jack was not as stupid as some people make it out to be.

  57. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a matter of stupid. It's a matter of fucked up.

    You're not affected. Good for you! I am. Boo for me. Had they never removed the port? Still exactly as good for you, AND me.

    When people get a feature they use removed they can complain. Frankly, I don't even know what you're trying to defend, since by your own post it doesn't affect you either way.

    Lastly, they can ONLY lose customers over this since theres no benefit to losing jack and plenty of drawback. Even the dongle is short term attempt to appease the frustrated, so it's clear they DID know people would be pissed; enough to slap free hardware into the box until people give up.

    It's a safe bet they intend to earn more revenue than they lose from those customers, and they just bought a shiny new bluetooth headphone company. It's my rocket science.

  58. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    While the lack of a headphone jack is ridiculous, it's not as bad as Samsung's indifference to providing updates to their devices. At least Apple provide an adapter. The only way to get the latest Android updates for a Samsung is to hope that CM support your device.

  59. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jac by muecksteiner · · Score: 1

    I was not objecting to people complaining about the connector being removed: as you say, commenting on such matters is more than fair enough. What I am objecting to is the seemingly widespread notion that *all* customers are unhappy about this. No, some are, probably rightfully so. But actually, a sizeable number of customers also do not care much either way. That was all I am trying to say here: there is less drama than some observers are making this out to be.

    All other things being equal, I am actually not even convinced that removing the port was a smart decision on Apple's part: quite a number of their customers do care, and the removed connector is not *that* big to begin with. OTOH, I can also see more and more headphones going wireless in the foreseeable future anyway - it is bloody convenient to not have cables dangling around, after all.

    And with regard to the problem of not being able listen to music, resp. talk on the phone with headphones, at the same time as charging the phone: making power cables that allow you to plug in Lightning earphones *atop* the charger cable is a total no-brainer from an engineering perspective. I'm actually surprised they are not in the line-up yet.

  60. no iPhone 7 SE :-( by Tom · · Score: 1

    Still don't want a phablet. Happy owner of an iPhone SE. Next upgrade when they make the next phone with an actually useable form factor.

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  61. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by artrocker+ · · Score: 1

    Really ? Technology changes , should we still be using reel 2 reel , it comes with adapter probably use for my car , what's the issue. Apple very wise at including it rather than having to third party to get adapter , like they said it's Valuable space , I update once every year know changed to once to every two years , so I'm moving from 128gb IPhone 6 Plus to IPhone 7 plus , I use jarbird freedoom ear buds ( amazing sound quality . Used to a successful DJ in the 90s so I'm very fussy about sound quality was dubious about it being Bluetooth and loss of sound quality but they sound better than the wired base model of Bose ear buds ) removal of ear jack oh well no big deal . You got reliaze just how complicated these devices are and space inside them Is premium , the 7 plus will have 3gb And I'm looking forward to stero effect . 1) first time ever I've pre order via apple app used to stand out all night and got the model I wanted 128gb silver ( I use 128gb and have lots of space left ) will I get when they say I will 2) will my leather apple case for IPhone 6plua fit the new Iphone 7 plus ? Without effecting stero sound . Peace n love everyone

  62. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jac by artrocker+ · · Score: 1

    Spelling mistakes Jaybird freedom buds Last year first year I didn't upgrade since 3GS I know I am an apple nut , however I was an Apple fan way before the bandwagon began rolling , I learnt as a child all about computers on mac classic and the at the time amazing lc. Who remembers HyperCard ? From the early 1990s

  63. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not important. Why does everyone make a big deal about this. In another year or two none will have it.

  64. No iPad has 3GB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iPad Pro 9.7 has 2GB. iPad Pro 12.9 has 4GB. My 12.9 scores 4954 in Geekbench 4 btw.

  65. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    Most people never plug headphones into a phone. Those who do will simply keep our egos in our pants and just use the faking adapter. Attach it to one's existing headphones and boom now they're lightning. You forgot to bitch about it dropping the floppy and optical drives as well as the copper Ethernet.

  66. But it doesn't have..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A floppy drive...
    A optical drive...
    A stylus...
    A memory card slot...
    And on and on and on and on.

  67. Who Cares when there's no Headphone Jack?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great. 3 GB to store music and no cheap, convenient way to listen to it.

    Apple "i" products. The the "i" is for Idiot, because only an idiot would own one.

  68. Pile of JUNK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an OUTDATED, OVERPRICED and boring pile of junk.

    NO wonder is going down the tubes with Timmy Crook.

  69. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, you're claiming the idiotic loss of the jack plug as an advancement, despite the fact that all of the best audio equipment in the world uses it?

    And yet as the same time you are ignoring the fact that the iPhone 7 only has 3GB of RAM, which was standard for flagship phones two years ago?

    You truly did drink the Kool-Aid.

  70. Hmmm a slower phone or buy an apple product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im not in that much of a hurry

  71. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by aquacrayfish · · Score: 1

    You expect a company that took 20 years to add a second mouse button to their desktop configuration to see the possible need for a second Lightning adapter? Another 10 years at least, please.

    (No, I wasn't trying to be constructive, in case there was any confusion).

  72. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by ScienceofSpock · · Score: 1

    You can charge the iphone 6 and listen to music through wired headphones at the same time. This isn't possible on the iphone 7 without additional hardware that does not come with the phone.

    I don't think this type of use is edge case. In fact, I think it's probably one of the most common use cases. Sit at your desk listening to music on your phone while charging it. In order to do this with the iphone 7, you either need to buy a lightning splitter or buy some wireless headphones (Preferably apple's new airpods, of course).

  73. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New technological capabilities of headphones? I think you have forgotten that stereo 3.5mm headphones are analog and that any extra digital steps the signal has to go through only impedes it. Unless people start needing a source-processed digital surround sound signal I see no use in changing the connector as analog really is as good as it gets for stereo headphones. Maybe it's just me being a snobby audiophile but that's just my 2Â.

  74. Re: None of this matters, it has no headphone jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can plug their headphones in(to the adapter)

  75. Especially.⦠by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seeing the updated Geekbench 4 mark for the current Android "flagships" which struggle to match the main thread performance of a 2 year old iPhone!