Both the instinctive answer ("he's a spammer, he deserves whatever he gets") and the apparently rational answer ("two wrongs don't make a right") fall short of the actual issue.
And it's so simple.
See, here's a guy who is - as a business, no less - doing exactly that to other people that he doesn't want done to himself. Simple answer: "Come back when you've stopped violation others privacy, then we'll hear your case."
And neither is windows. People have just learned to put up with it.
I'm entirely serious, and this is not a cheap shot at windows. The interface is horrible - if you doubt that, find someone who has no prior experience with computers, sit them down in front of a windows machine, give them zero instructions, and ask them for a few simple tasks ("write an e-mail to this address", "play the metallica.mp3 from this CD"). Been there, done that. Original commentary from my mum (who I started on Linux) after she made a windows "internet" course: "I'm happy I don't have that windows at home, I don't like it."
* silent * no recoil * less resupply problems (lay a power cable to the forward camp instead of moving trucks full of ammo) * if constructed right, can be enclosed completely = less susceptable to dirt, dust and water * if using invisible light (IR/UV) doesn't give away your position through muzzle flashes * more accuracy due to a reduce "time to impact" (from pulling the trigger to impact, it's half a second at 500 yards)
In other news, the first exploits for the new windows version are still behind schedule. "We still need a bit of final QA and tests on some obscure hardware" said l33t h4x0r, one of the many 14-year olds waiting eagerly for windows 2003. "I mean, the old one was funny for a while", l33t said, "but after a couple years it got boring finding the essentially same bugs again and again and again."
Harsh word, but this is stupid. It assumes that users are too dumb to figure out a new, superior environment. Nothing could be further from the truth, especially not when it comes to the more recent windos GUI "innovations". Now that there isn't much left to steal, Microsoft tries to invent, and the result is pretty predictable - even windows fans I know hate it.
Copying the fat and ugly definitely passes on the wrong message.
"Terrorism" is just the keyword of the past 18 months or so. Everything you hate gets labelled as promoting terrorism and everything you like is an anti-terrorist measure.
If it works for little Bush, why not for little Bill?
There's really nothing unusual going on there. Just the usual stupidity and simple-mindedness.
1. Design, build and spread a virus or trojan which will irrevocably destroy all Windows boxes which are connected to the internet without a firewall.
Or
2. Stop logging UDP port 137.
Lemme see: Option one will take a few hours for anyone who knows a bit about windos programming (if we leave out the "irrevocably" part and just repeat as necessary). Option two will eat continuously away at my bandwidth, for which I pay. 137 attacks have for the past few months been the most common attacks/probes, so it is a significant fraction by now.
I'll go with two. M$ hasn't cleaned up their act in over five years. Anywhere in the real world, their product would've been declared as too unsafe to use and banned by now.
Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt: echo ':DEXE:M::\x0eDEX::/usr/bin/dosexec:' > register drivers/sound/dev_table.h: int (*send_sysex)(int dev, unsigned char *bytes, int len); arch/i386/kernel/setup.c: * misexecution of code under Linux. Owners of such processors should
I've downloaded the game this afternoon, and have been playing it pretty much continuously since then.
It's a killer for everyone who's bored of the FPS crap. And it's a great cooperative game, something that's been missing from most games recently (I loved Rainbow Six cooperative back when I still had windows).
One thing they did right is actually rewarding teamwork, and rewarding being nice to other people. I was in the game no 10 min. when someone volunteered to be my mentor and guide me through the first steps. A while later, I started a very productive cooperation with my neighbour at the river ("hey, I'm going to get some wood, should I fetch some for you, too?" - "sure, need any firebricks? I made more than I need right now.").
It's a great game. Got me hooked right away, and that doesn't happen often.
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Actually yes, it was intended as a joke. If I remember correctly, a patent lawyer used it as an example to teach his young kid the process, and decided to send it in just for fun. It came back approved, and he was more than a little surprised.
Another reply with a different aspect: If Opera's market share is indeed barely worth mentioning, why does msn.com then serve them a custom-made stylesheet?
Remember, it's not that Opera was forgotten, gets the same.css as everyone else (or as IE, the default as one would assume on msn.com) and can't render it. It gets a custom stylesheet that it renders correctly, but whose correct rendering happens to look like crap.
Who visits your site often depends on what you offer. Lots of site offer windows themes, windows software and/or windows-software reviews and then mention that 90%+ of their visitors use windows and IE. What a surprise.
My own site is pretty OS neutral (I'm not, but my site is, especially the parts of it that make up 95% of the traffic, namely a web-based online game working on all browsers and the decss mirror):
Now if I take into account that a lot of stuff that is not actually IE can or does identify itself as IE (yes, Opera is one of these), then the usual "IE is 90% of the market" turns out to be a little exaggerated. My guess on Opera is that it's 2-3%.
I have just one request for whoever is going to tackle this task (and it won't be an easy one):
Please stop copying windows.
Just because windows does it doesn't mean it's not total garbage. Go to Nextstep, to Apple for examples. Copy from the people who know what they're doing. Take the good parts from windows and leave the crap behind.
We will all thank you so much. If we wanted windows, we'd be running it.
They've had a year. Have you seen any noticeable increase in windows security? Neither have I.
Let's see what happens with its next major release.
If the car you're driving is known to spontaneously explode when the wrong song is played on the radio - would you also continue driving it and wait for next years model?
Admins are the problem, and microsoft is the problem as well. In fact, the main issue is that microsoft is breeding lazy and dumb administrators.
That's not going to say all windows admins are dumb. And there definitely are lazy and dumb Unix admins, too. However, from what I've seen in several companies, the ratios are that most windows admins don't know what the hell they're talking about, and if you take away their wizards and their mouse, they're lost like newborns. Most Unix admins do know what's going on and can bring a system back from states way beyond where the only microsoft solution would've been a reinstall.
Why is that? Because windows is marketed and sold as if every dumbass could run a server. It really isn't a surprise. There's a truth to all the sayings that start with "if planes/houses/whatever were built the way microsoft makes software..." The most important part is that nobody has ever gone around and tried to sell people on the idea that being a doctor, or flying a plane or building a house is an easy task. Guess what, neither is running the corporate serverfarm.
I call that a scam, plain and simple. A scam that has - according to the various overblown estimates on virus and worm damage - done several trillions in damage.
Is it the fault of the lazy sysadmin who didn't do his job? Yes, it is. But he was very much tricked into a very wrong picture about what exactly his job is in the first place.
And so far, we've all been lucky. None of the viruses that I've seen were even close to the level of sophistication that, say, some very early (C64 and amiga age) real viruses had.
On-staff lawyers draw a salary, and get paid irregardless of the outcome.
Right, but they are still a finite resource. Since I doubt they sit around all day waiting for a lawsuit, there is a cost involved, namely the cost of either other work not being done or someone else being hired to do it.
You are, however, right on the 2nd argument. It is unlikely that they could settle, except out-of-court and with zero press. Good point.
Of course they have tons of lawyers. But those lawyers want to be paid. More often than not, what lawsuits really aim at is a settlement. It works like your favourite protection racket: "Give me $xxx and I'll go away." - if $xxx is considerably lower than the costs of winning the lawsuit, there's a good chance it will be paid. Especially since the defense is never a 100% certain thing.
Will M$ be sued for damages due to gross negliegence? With all the bullshit lawsuits around, I simply can't believe that not a single lawyer is seing this as his golden path towards uncountable riches. Especially after the like 4th or 5th time the Internet as a whole suffers.
I couldn't care less about all the windos dummies if only they would stop damaging me (eating bandwidth, stuffing my inbox with virus mails and whatever).
Everytime that phrase comes to your mind I want you to take a deep breath and think whether you would say that to your non-technical mother/father/granny/whatever.
Sometimes, yes. My girl never had a computer before she met me. Now, a few years later, she prefers CLI in some cases where even I take the GUI.
Non-technical people aren't necessarily dumb, and can be educated. And for some things, the CLI simply is the tool of choice.
That said, some people absolutely need a mac since anything beyond one mouse button confuses them.
Yepp, as "related documents". I fail to see the difference, though. Maybe I've missed the critical point, but from what I read it's the exact same exploit, just against a different game.
Slashdot Mirror
Both the instinctive answer ("he's a spammer, he deserves whatever he gets") and the apparently rational answer ("two wrongs don't make a right") fall short of the actual issue.
And it's so simple.
See, here's a guy who is - as a business, no less - doing exactly that to other people that he doesn't want done to himself.
Simple answer: "Come back when you've stopped violation others privacy, then we'll hear your case."
Largest Blue Screen of Death, ever.
Linux is not ready for the dsesktop.
.mp3 from this CD").
And neither is windows. People have just learned to put up with it.
I'm entirely serious, and this is not a cheap shot at windows. The interface is horrible - if you doubt that, find someone who has no prior experience with computers, sit them down in front of a windows machine, give them zero instructions, and ask them for a few simple tasks ("write an e-mail to this address", "play the metallica
Been there, done that. Original commentary from my mum (who I started on Linux) after she made a windows "internet" course: "I'm happy I don't have that windows at home, I don't like it."
lemme see what I can think of right away:
* silent
* no recoil
* less resupply problems (lay a power cable to the forward camp instead of moving trucks full of ammo)
* if constructed right, can be enclosed completely = less susceptable to dirt, dust and water
* if using invisible light (IR/UV) doesn't give away your position through muzzle flashes
* more accuracy due to a reduce "time to impact" (from pulling the trigger to impact, it's half a second at 500 yards)
In other news, the first exploits for the new windows version are still behind schedule. "We still need a bit of final QA and tests on some obscure hardware" said l33t h4x0r, one of the many 14-year olds waiting eagerly for windows 2003. "I mean, the old one was funny for a while", l33t said, "but after a couple years it got boring finding the essentially same bugs again and again and again."
Harsh word, but this is stupid. It assumes that users are too dumb to figure out a new, superior environment. Nothing could be further from the truth, especially not when it comes to the more recent windos GUI "innovations". Now that there isn't much left to steal, Microsoft tries to invent, and the result is pretty predictable - even windows fans I know hate it.
Copying the fat and ugly definitely passes on the wrong message.
"Terrorism" is just the keyword of the past 18 months or so. Everything you hate gets labelled as promoting terrorism and everything you like is an anti-terrorist measure.
If it works for little Bush, why not for little Bill?
There's really nothing unusual going on there. Just the usual stupidity and simple-mindedness.
Thats normal. There are two solutions;
1. Design, build and spread a virus or trojan which will irrevocably destroy all Windows boxes which are connected to the internet without a firewall.
Or
2. Stop logging UDP port 137.
Lemme see:
Option one will take a few hours for anyone who knows a bit about windos programming (if we leave out the "irrevocably" part and just repeat as necessary).
Option two will eat continuously away at my bandwidth, for which I pay. 137 attacks have for the past few months been the most common attacks/probes, so it is a significant fraction by now.
I'll go with two. M$ hasn't cleaned up their act in over five years. Anywhere in the real world, their product would've been declared as too unsafe to use and banned by now.
Your count is slightly misleading. For example:
;)
Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt: echo ':DEXE:M::\x0eDEX::/usr/bin/dosexec:' > register
drivers/sound/dev_table.h: int (*send_sysex)(int dev, unsigned char *bytes, int len);
arch/i386/kernel/setup.c: * misexecution of code under Linux. Owners of such processors should
and lots of @bytesex.org e-mail addresses.
I've downloaded the game this afternoon, and have been playing it pretty much continuously since then.
It's a killer for everyone who's bored of the FPS crap. And it's a great cooperative game, something that's been missing from most games recently (I loved Rainbow Six cooperative back when I still had windows).
One thing they did right is actually rewarding teamwork, and rewarding being nice to other people. I was in the game no 10 min. when someone volunteered to be my mentor and guide me through the first steps. A while later, I started a very productive cooperation with my neighbour at the river ("hey, I'm going to get some wood, should I fetch some for you, too?" - "sure, need any firebricks? I made more than I need right now.").
It's a great game. Got me hooked right away, and that doesn't happen often.
Actually yes, it was intended as a joke. If I remember correctly, a patent lawyer used it as an example to teach his young kid the process, and decided to send it in just for fun. It came back approved, and he was more than a little surprised.
It's a web-based game, which is why it's OS-neutral.
It's called BattleMaster.
Another reply with a different aspect: If Opera's market share is indeed barely worth mentioning, why does msn.com then serve them a custom-made stylesheet?
.css as everyone else (or as IE, the default as one would assume on msn.com) and can't render it. It gets a custom stylesheet that it renders correctly, but whose correct rendering happens to look like crap.
Remember, it's not that Opera was forgotten, gets the same
Who visits your site often depends on what you offer. Lots of site offer windows themes, windows software and/or windows-software reviews and then mention that 90%+ of their visitors use windows and IE. What a surprise.
My own site is pretty OS neutral (I'm not, but my site is, especially the parts of it that make up 95% of the traffic, namely a web-based online game working on all browsers and the decss mirror):
Top 10 of 439 Total User Agents
# Hits User Agent
1 1102402 55.54% MSIE 6.0
2 269680 13.59% MSIE 5.5
3 260668 13.13% Mozilla/5.0
4 245700 12.38% MSIE 5.0
5 17260 0.87% Opera/6.0
6 15497 0.78% Opera/5.1
7 14021 0.71% Mozilla/3.01 (compatible;)
8 10378 0.52% MSIE 5.1
9 8816 0.44% Mozilla/4.5
10 4861 0.24% Mozilla/4.7
Now if I take into account that a lot of stuff that is not actually IE can or does identify itself as IE (yes, Opera is one of these), then the usual "IE is 90% of the market" turns out to be a little exaggerated. My guess on Opera is that it's 2-3%.
I have just one request for whoever is going to tackle this task (and it won't be an easy one):
Please stop copying windows.
Just because windows does it doesn't mean it's not total garbage. Go to Nextstep, to Apple for examples. Copy from the people who know what they're doing. Take the good parts from windows and leave the crap behind.
We will all thank you so much. If we wanted windows, we'd be running it.
That's a really good point, except that all other licenses work the same, including the GPL. We all cover our asses, don't we?
They've had a year. Have you seen any noticeable increase in windows security? Neither have I.
Let's see what happens with its next major release.
If the car you're driving is known to spontaneously explode when the wrong song is played on the radio - would you also continue driving it and wait for next years model?
Admins are the problem, and microsoft is the problem as well. In fact, the main issue is that microsoft is breeding lazy and dumb administrators.
That's not going to say all windows admins are dumb. And there definitely are lazy and dumb Unix admins, too. However, from what I've seen in several companies, the ratios are that most windows admins don't know what the hell they're talking about, and if you take away their wizards and their mouse, they're lost like newborns. Most Unix admins do know what's going on and can bring a system back from states way beyond where the only microsoft solution would've been a reinstall.
Why is that? Because windows is marketed and sold as if every dumbass could run a server. It really isn't a surprise. There's a truth to all the sayings that start with "if planes/houses/whatever were built the way microsoft makes software..."
The most important part is that nobody has ever gone around and tried to sell people on the idea that being a doctor, or flying a plane or building a house is an easy task.
Guess what, neither is running the corporate serverfarm.
I call that a scam, plain and simple. A scam that has - according to the various overblown estimates on virus and worm damage - done several trillions in damage.
Is it the fault of the lazy sysadmin who didn't do his job? Yes, it is. But he was very much tricked into a very wrong picture about what exactly his job is in the first place.
And so far, we've all been lucky. None of the viruses that I've seen were even close to the level of sophistication that, say, some very early (C64 and amiga age) real viruses had.
right now, I guess they'd be happy to have a mirror. :-)
On-staff lawyers draw a salary, and get paid irregardless of the outcome.
Right, but they are still a finite resource. Since I doubt they sit around all day waiting for a lawsuit, there is a cost involved, namely the cost of either other work not being done or someone else being hired to do it.
You are, however, right on the 2nd argument. It is unlikely that they could settle, except out-of-court and with zero press. Good point.
Of course they have tons of lawyers. But those lawyers want to be paid.
More often than not, what lawsuits really aim at is a settlement. It works like your favourite protection racket: "Give me $xxx and I'll go away." - if $xxx is considerably lower than the costs of winning the lawsuit, there's a good chance it will be paid. Especially since the defense is never a 100% certain thing.
Will M$ be sued for damages due to gross negliegence? With all the bullshit lawsuits around, I simply can't believe that not a single lawyer is seing this as his golden path towards uncountable riches. Especially after the like 4th or 5th time the Internet as a whole suffers.
I couldn't care less about all the windos dummies if only they would stop damaging me (eating bandwidth, stuffing my inbox with virus mails and whatever).
Everytime that phrase comes to your mind I want you to take a deep breath and think whether you would say that to your non-technical mother/father/granny/whatever.
Sometimes, yes.
My girl never had a computer before she met me. Now, a few years later, she prefers CLI in some cases where even I take the GUI.
Non-technical people aren't necessarily dumb, and can be educated. And for some things, the CLI simply is the tool of choice.
That said, some people absolutely need a mac since anything beyond one mouse button confuses them.
Yepp, as "related documents". I fail to see the difference, though. Maybe I've missed the critical point, but from what I read it's the exact same exploit, just against a different game.
Including a posting to bugtraq. The original advisory is on my website. It's dated 13th March 2002.