Now, reality is a lot more complicated than this, but in general, this is how society works.
You're here too!? Awesome! This society gets better and better.
Welcome, welcome. Perhaps I am being welcomed. Good post with numbers. I am surprised you didn't go into how inpractical and non-causal only funding emergency services "when you need it" is. That's like saying you should be able to have insurance only for when you need it.
Ok, this is society. Welcome, I hope you like it. You see, we have this thing called other people. Other humans. And well, not all the other people are alike. Taken together, because - who wants to be a hermit in the woods? - these other humans make up this society.
So there is society. This society is "we". We've agreed there are some things we should probably not do, like kill each other. We made up a list of things that we've tended to agree are good ideas. So far, it's not the best, but it's pretty good. Some people disagree, and we try to address that. Then there are very few people who think everyone else should die and they should be in charge and they also deserve a new computer.
However, as a group, we've done pretty well by aiding our individual interests, and the interests of group balanced against individuals. So we don't listen to the people who don't want to destroy the group. The group isn't perfect, and it can change, but we have it because we were agreeing on some things and doing better than we were as individuals.
These other people. We treat them with respect because they can have great ideas, everyone does, sometimes. But not all the time. Sometimes other people are right. Sometimes we give in a little bit of our personal gp to buy the cleric a wand of healing, it could help. We're all different, and we all have different ideas. But we need to agree that by having an entirely opt-out group, no one might be part of the band. And that wouldn't be as cool as having a party.
So we'll be a party. In this group some make more, some make less, some are doctors, and some are farmers. Some are fighters, some rogues (not rouges), and the most awesome of all are druids. We decided we want both doctors and farmers, we need healing and dps, we need control, and because there are a lot of us, we can't just exchange services at the tribal council. So we have money. Money and taxes. And lots of other cool things too. Like cookies. Cookies are really good. And also Zoidberg was there.
Anyway, this taxation exists to provide services for all, and to help redistribute wealth. Not everyone agrees all the time, in fact, people generally do not agree. But by agreeing not to be entirely self-serving nihilists, we've seem to have some kind of compromise. And it has worked out pretty well so far. We've defeated some monsters, had some laughs, and gained some levels. Are we realms-shaking gods yet?
No, not yet.
(Tag rant in humour/sarcastic colour, I realize you didn't say that everyone should die).
Last time I looked, the only religion which included "Thou shalt not infringe copyright" in its commandments was Scientology.
Seriously? That's hilarious!
Some musicians may do better. But it's not really fair to say that musicians should just give their work away and make money through another (although related) avenue. That's like saying all programmers should just program in their spare time and become IP lawyers because they'll make way more money.
Perhaps I'm being pedantic with what you said as you seem to have the same feeling towards copyright I do. I feel that musicians should be able to profit from their work (and I agree, copyright should be around 20 years).
If you start with one copy of a copyrighted work and end up with n copies of a work, where n is greater than 1, in the hands of m people, where m is greater than 1, without the permission of the copyright holder, then unauthorized copies have been made. There is no fair use defense, because there is no fair use for that situation.
In this case, I have posted a comment. You have quoted it, and it resulted in n > 1 copies being made in every browser's cache in the hands of m > 1 people, and all of this without my permission. Either your description of an unauthorized copy is wrong, or your fair use defense is wrong. One has to be.
No. His description of fair use defense is correct. Given the purpose of quoting you, and the nature of the copyrighted work, there really can't be any damages. There is precedent for this which I have stated, I don't really want to go find it, but I will if you insist. There is no effect on the market for your work. Further, we have also not infringed on the moral right you have over the work, and this right is not always protected in some countries.
Brad Templeton has an excellent simple explanation of copyright.
They can sniff BluRay, but you'll only really notice a difference with a High Definition owner. Plus you need to connect the owner to the dog with a special HDMI leash.
Then you sir, aren't allowed to quote me if you reply to me on this thread. Otherwise I'll sue you.
-Dalzhim
Go ahead and try it (just please not in Texas) =P
While you have copyright of your text, I am not causing monetary damages (which are the only damages you can sue for). There is existing precedent where Internet correspondence is not private information (sometimes, even e-mail). I believe this is considered a public forum, and I have attributed your remarks. At worst, you could have my remarks removed from the forum.
Fair use copies are allowed for parody, artistically arranging, education and research purposes. They should expand the vocabulary to: Paris Convention, Berne Convention, Michael Geist, and, of course, MAFIAA.
I don't think you'll find much agreement on/. People often believe pretty much anything that isn't nailed down should be free because they don't want to pay for them. Copyright is a compromise to allow creative people to be compensated, but not to stifle the production of creativity from leaning too far either way.
And another thing (related): why do some people go to the hospital for every little sniffle or tummy ache or other trivial illness (like a mild flu such as the H1N1 virus) and insist on antibiotics?
Because people are idiots. Antibiotics won't help against flu (btw, what do you consider a 'severe flu'? H1N1 as a family can have very severe strains). Economic crisis, superbugs and pandemics, ozone depletion, climate change, warfare, strife, illiteracy... sigh. Why did we put people in charge?! If it were up to me... whoah boy, there would be a reckoning
"When the researchers swabbed and tested 50 shower heads from nine cities in seven different states in the US, including New York City and Denver, they found 30% of the devices posed a potential risk."
My issue wasn't with the OS or the hardware, it was with the *Modern* tag. I wasn't saying Linux can't run modern applications, I'm saying a P3 700 MHz with 512 MB of RAM can't run *Modern* applications - regardless if its running XP or Linux. A newer version of Linux doesn't magically make new applications run better on old hardware. For example; any intensive game released in the last 4 or so years, newer IDEs (later VS, Eclipse), running rich webpages in FF, graphics editing applications, etc. Most *Modern* applications these days would max out that system easily or would not run.
Which is why we have copyright. To provide compensation to those who produce creative works. It's not about "depriving" people of their property (which, as you're being pedantic, isn't really relevant) because this has nothing to do with copyright as you've pointed out.
However,
However, you may not have felt that the license was worth the price they were asking and would not have given them anything regardless.
so if you don't think it's worth the price, then why did you obtain it and infringe copyright!?! It doesn't make it "right" or "moral" or anything, it just makes you a freeloader - which, again, is what copyright is meant to prevent (by providing incentive to creative people).
Not really - because I knew what I was getting into when I bought the car from you in our license agreement. You never mentioned anything about breaking in, you said the car would generate a printout of its internals, and I would hand this to you when you came by and asked for it. The car didn't collect any information that I don't want you to see because I have a nonmetallic chapeau. So it seemed pretty easy and straightforward, the car was even designed to do it.
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Now, reality is a lot more complicated than this, but in general, this is how society works.
You're here too!? Awesome! This society gets better and better.
Welcome, welcome. Perhaps I am being welcomed. Good post with numbers. I am surprised you didn't go into how inpractical and non-causal only funding emergency services "when you need it" is. That's like saying you should be able to have insurance only for when you need it.
Here is a rant.
Ok, this is society. Welcome, I hope you like it. You see, we have this thing called other people. Other humans. And well, not all the other people are alike. Taken together, because - who wants to be a hermit in the woods? - these other humans make up this society.
So there is society. This society is "we". We've agreed there are some things we should probably not do, like kill each other. We made up a list of things that we've tended to agree are good ideas. So far, it's not the best, but it's pretty good. Some people disagree, and we try to address that. Then there are very few people who think everyone else should die and they should be in charge and they also deserve a new computer.
However, as a group, we've done pretty well by aiding our individual interests, and the interests of group balanced against individuals. So we don't listen to the people who don't want to destroy the group. The group isn't perfect, and it can change, but we have it because we were agreeing on some things and doing better than we were as individuals.
These other people. We treat them with respect because they can have great ideas, everyone does, sometimes. But not all the time. Sometimes other people are right. Sometimes we give in a little bit of our personal gp to buy the cleric a wand of healing, it could help. We're all different, and we all have different ideas. But we need to agree that by having an entirely opt-out group, no one might be part of the band. And that wouldn't be as cool as having a party.
So we'll be a party. In this group some make more, some make less, some are doctors, and some are farmers. Some are fighters, some rogues (not rouges), and the most awesome of all are druids. We decided we want both doctors and farmers, we need healing and dps, we need control, and because there are a lot of us, we can't just exchange services at the tribal council. So we have money. Money and taxes. And lots of other cool things too. Like cookies. Cookies are really good. And also Zoidberg was there.
Anyway, this taxation exists to provide services for all, and to help redistribute wealth. Not everyone agrees all the time, in fact, people generally do not agree. But by agreeing not to be entirely self-serving nihilists, we've seem to have some kind of compromise. And it has worked out pretty well so far. We've defeated some monsters, had some laughs, and gained some levels. Are we realms-shaking gods yet?
No, not yet.
(Tag rant in humour/sarcastic colour, I realize you didn't say that everyone should die).
Last time I looked, the only religion which included "Thou shalt not infringe copyright" in its commandments was Scientology.
Seriously? That's hilarious!
Some musicians may do better. But it's not really fair to say that musicians should just give their work away and make money through another (although related) avenue. That's like saying all programmers should just program in their spare time and become IP lawyers because they'll make way more money.
Perhaps I'm being pedantic with what you said as you seem to have the same feeling towards copyright I do. I feel that musicians should be able to profit from their work (and I agree, copyright should be around 20 years).
If you start with one copy of a copyrighted work and end up with n copies of a work, where n is greater than 1, in the hands of m people, where m is greater than 1, without the permission of the copyright holder, then unauthorized copies have been made. There is no fair use defense, because there is no fair use for that situation.
In this case, I have posted a comment. You have quoted it, and it resulted in n > 1 copies being made in every browser's cache in the hands of m > 1 people, and all of this without my permission. Either your description of an unauthorized copy is wrong, or your fair use defense is wrong. One has to be.
No. His description of fair use defense is correct. Given the purpose of quoting you, and the nature of the copyrighted work, there really can't be any damages. There is precedent for this which I have stated, I don't really want to go find it, but I will if you insist. There is no effect on the market for your work. Further, we have also not infringed on the moral right you have over the work, and this right is not always protected in some countries.
Brad Templeton has an excellent simple explanation of copyright.
Copyright Myths
They can sniff BluRay, but you'll only really notice a difference with a High Definition owner. Plus you need to connect the owner to the dog with a special HDMI leash.
Then you sir, aren't allowed to quote me if you reply to me on this thread. Otherwise I'll sue you.
-Dalzhim
Go ahead and try it (just please not in Texas) =P
While you have copyright of your text, I am not causing monetary damages (which are the only damages you can sue for). There is existing precedent where Internet correspondence is not private information (sometimes, even e-mail). I believe this is considered a public forum, and I have attributed your remarks. At worst, you could have my remarks removed from the forum.
They're kidding*. Feel better?
*Of course, they are actually not kidding.
Fair use copies are allowed for parody, artistically arranging, education and research purposes. They should expand the vocabulary to: Paris Convention, Berne Convention, Michael Geist, and, of course, MAFIAA.
/. People often believe pretty much anything that isn't nailed down should be free because they don't want to pay for them. Copyright is a compromise to allow creative people to be compensated, but not to stifle the production of creativity from leaning too far either way.
I don't think you'll find much agreement on
It is illegal in almost the entire world. You have one guess which country hasn't ratified it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_Convention
May? Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Sorry, I saw a nit and had to pick it! ;)
Don't do that if you're not bathing.
Plus it's a complete waste of resources.
And another thing (related): why do some people go to the hospital for every little sniffle or tummy ache or other trivial illness (like a mild flu such as the H1N1 virus) and insist on antibiotics?
Because people are idiots. Antibiotics won't help against flu (btw, what do you consider a 'severe flu'? H1N1 as a family can have very severe strains). Economic crisis, superbugs and pandemics, ozone depletion, climate change, warfare, strife, illiteracy... sigh. Why did we put people in charge?! If it were up to me... whoah boy, there would be a reckoning
More than one AIDS or more than one toilet seat?
:P
You may have just some words there
Also your eyes. One more step is needed; rinse the shower head with water afterward.
I was going to comment that they don't have sex. But I was wrong.
At least in regards to your first question.
"When the researchers swabbed and tested 50 shower heads from nine cities in seven different states in the US, including New York City and Denver, they found 30% of the devices posed a potential risk."
FTA
The big worry isn't all the athletic, healthy, strapping young gamers at PAX
Have you been to PAX? :P
They'll be hoping they can duck the bill for the lawsuit, but it'll no doubt leave a foul taste in their mouths...
Fowl.
We agree :P I was just trying to illustrate the absurdity that many people here claim; damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Eternity - but only if you do it yourself? Why not just write raw bits to Windows files and claim the same kind of support?
My issue wasn't with the OS or the hardware, it was with the *Modern* tag. I wasn't saying Linux can't run modern applications, I'm saying a P3 700 MHz with 512 MB of RAM can't run *Modern* applications - regardless if its running XP or Linux. A newer version of Linux doesn't magically make new applications run better on old hardware. For example; any intensive game released in the last 4 or so years, newer IDEs (later VS, Eclipse), running rich webpages in FF, graphics editing applications, etc. Most *Modern* applications these days would max out that system easily or would not run.
It can't be aimed at the tech-savvy crowd, they all know that the "DRM issue" is a non-issue.
Which alternate reality are you posting from? Not this one, for sure.
Which reality is this one an alternate to?
However,
However, you may not have felt that the license was worth the price they were asking and would not have given them anything regardless.
so if you don't think it's worth the price, then why did you obtain it and infringe copyright!?! It doesn't make it "right" or "moral" or anything, it just makes you a freeloader - which, again, is what copyright is meant to prevent (by providing incentive to creative people).
Not really - because I knew what I was getting into when I bought the car from you in our license agreement. You never mentioned anything about breaking in, you said the car would generate a printout of its internals, and I would hand this to you when you came by and asked for it. The car didn't collect any information that I don't want you to see because I have a nonmetallic chapeau. So it seemed pretty easy and straightforward, the car was even designed to do it.