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Student Designs Cardboard Computer Case

SpaceGhost writes "The Houston Chronicle has a story on a Grad student at the University of Houston who has designed a cardboard case for a computer. This is not a new concept, but this one is meant to be used in manufacture. The idea is that it will be faster and easier to produce (no fasteners for example) and dramatically easier to recycle."

329 comments

  1. Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But its probably not recyclable after it catches on fire from my overclocked processor

    1. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by carolfromoz · · Score: 2, Funny

      ..after it catches on fire ..

      Still cool?

    2. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention the lack of Faraday cage-like effect a traditional metal case provides.

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    3. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, the ashes from this case will make an excellent soil supplement for your garden... pity about the rest of your house, however.

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    4. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      That could easily be solve by... well... a Faraday cage.

    5. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Funny

      You could probably glue a thin sheet of aluminum foil to the inside of the case, so I wouldn't worry about the Faraday cage.

      At least now the ultra-low-end Dells will look on the outside just as crappy as they are on the inside :)

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    6. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      You could probably glue a thin sheet of aluminum foil to the inside of the case, so I wouldn't worry about the Faraday cage.

      So now my cardboard computer case needs a tinfoil hat?

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    7. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different cases for different folks. This isn't for your quad quad-cored overclocked Xeons; it's for your VIA Nano mini-itx box.

    8. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like it's moisture absorbing properties as well.

    9. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Just make the dang thing out of ALUMINUM to begin with and "sidestep the middleman".

      This is an idea that sounds really cool if you ingore all of the technical issues involved.

      Recycling an aluminum case is probably more eco-friendly too!

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    10. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      I know you were joking, but I doubt your processor (or any component in your computer case for that matter) would run hot enough to ignite paper/cardboard.

      Your processor's temperature probably ranges between 30C and 50C. The autoignition temperature of paper is 218-246C.

    11. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I've twice seen computers that caught fire, but in both cases the metal case contained the fire.

    12. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by KharmaWidow · · Score: 1

      I doubt ashes from a computer fire are free of toxins...

      I love cardboard. I have a blog about it. I have made dozen of homeware items out of it. But the last thing I want is a cardboard computer.

    13. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by suso · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, I read on the cover of a book once that paper ignites at 451 F.

    14. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      OR!!!! You could just swap out the motherboard and hard drives on existing computers, saving on even more materials, cost of shipping (cases are bulky, bulky = expensive), and minimize the number of parts disposed of. In most business computers (i.e. lacking a modern PCI-E video card) , it's unlikely the new motherboard/processor's power requirements will outstrip the current power supply's ability to power them.

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    15. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      No linky?

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    16. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes your Computer now needs a Tinfoil hat, otherwise it will wipe out every Radio for about 1 mile Radius.

    17. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Urkki · · Score: 3, Informative

      But its probably not recyclable after it catches on fire from my overclocked processor

      No worries. I think the melting point of solder is lower than ignition point of cardboard. So there's an automatic safety mechanism: solder melts, electric connections break, heating stops.

    18. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by ZarathustraDK · · Score: 1

      I love cardboard. I have a blog about it.

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    19. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by coolsnowmen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not mine, Enough of mine is made out of plastic for it to be completely worthless. But even if it wasn't, Depending on the frequencies you are trying to shield, your current computer case is a pretty horrible fariday shield as it is. Every hole, slit and opening for ventilation or other purposes allows EM to radiate or re-radiate out of it at a wavelengths of that size.

    20. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by bemymonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bhahahah, I can't wait until the first people start showing up in tech support forums complaining about mold...

    21. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a fanless atom board running in what amounts to a cardboard box. It got to 65C on the hottest days of the summer.

    22. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My power supply started smoking once.
      I took that hard drive and tried putting it in another system as a slave.
      I actually saw flames on the circuit board

    23. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by techess · · Score: 1

      This actually works really well in old tractors. Instead of fuses they use fusible link wire that does something similar, when to much current goes through a wire it melts away and breaks the connection. On my old '42 tractor every once in a while I'd burn a wire. It was a bit of a pain to find which one needed replacing, but you never needed a "specialty" part to fix it.

      Just more wire.

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    24. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by theelectron · · Score: 2, Informative

      So you are saying that electronics don't start fires? You forget about sparks that can fly off the circuit boards and components that can fail and burn before the leads do. Also, liquid solder will still keep an electronic connection. Cardboard just sounds like a dangerous idea without some kind of fire retardant in the cardboard, which generally makes it unrecyclable.

    25. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by rcamans · · Score: 1

      Well, if you ever had a thought, your head could use a tin foil hat, but that is an extremely unlikely event.
      And considering your lack of brain cells, your computer could probably get away with no hat as well...
      You must have something to protect to need a tin foil hat, and most all of the tin foil hat advocates have nothing to protect.
      Actually we need them to wear tin foil hats to protect us from their crazy thoughts...

      Just joking, please

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    26. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by petermgreen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Proper building is important, e.g. in most cases you will find there are metal blanks behind the plastic blanks on drive bays, theese make up part of the shielding but are often not replaced (or even can't be replaced) when moving drives arround (PC manufacturers don't really care about this, they only care about meeting the interference regulations when the machine leaves the factory).

      Remember even a 10GHz (that would about the third harmonic of the clock of a 3GHz CPU) electromagnetic wave has a wavelength of a few centimeters so small slits aren't that much of a problem.

      They don't build PC cases out of metal (or occasionally metal lined plastic) for fun or to make them cheap, they do it because they need the shielding to meet interference regulations.

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    27. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      The trouble with fusewire (and to a lesser extent some types of cartridge fuse) is that people replace them with either large fusewire or worse wire that isn't fusewire at all.

      Fuses are there for a reason, unfortunately many people don't understand and respect this fact.

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    28. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      No worries. I think the melting point of solder is lower than ignition point of cardboard. So there's an automatic safety mechanism: solder melts, electric connections break, heating stops.
      Solder melting does not imply that the electrical connections that carry the power to the fault will break.

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    29. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by KharmaWidow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      LOL - I try not to shamelessly promoto myself

      http://pizzaboxart.blogspot.com/

    30. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by polar+red · · Score: 1

      that's also how ancient circuit breakers worked (up until people started using wires to bypass the breakers)

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    31. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know you were joking, but I doubt your processor (or any component in your computer case for that matter) would run hot enough to ignite paper/cardboard.
      In normal operation no, under fault conditions some chips could probablly reach those kind of temperatures.

      http://www.metacafe.com/watch/26293/cpu_cooler_removed/

      >AMD athlon 1400
      >Temperature 370C/698F
      >Application crashes
      >CPU and board up in smoke

      If a CPU lacking the thermal protection built into modern CPUs can do it with mere heatsink removal then I'm pretty certain the power stuff on the board could more than do it under the right fault conditions.

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    32. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A new business opportunity for Tretrabrik

    33. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by shentino · · Score: 1

      Unless the solder melts and leaks in a way that causes a short circuit.

    34. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lian-Li has been selling aluminium cases for years.

    35. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      218-246C is ~424-474F, so that encompasses 451F nicely indeed.

    36. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Free Faraday!

    37. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      You win, sir.

    38. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I think that happens enough with regular fuses, too.

    39. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by ImitationEnergy · · Score: 0

      You Sir are a true genius. The young man should have built his house of used beer cans.

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    40. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by suso · · Score: 1

      whoosh? Maybe you got the reference, maybe you didn't.

    41. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      Of course I did. I am old enough to have read it in first edition. The old masters like Bradbury are very hard to beat.

    42. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just make the dang thing out of ALUMINUM to begin with and "sidestep the middleman".

      Do you work for Apple? :)

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    43. Re:Seems like a cool idea... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I love when people go flip a circuit breaker closed without inspecting to see why it opened in the first place...

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  2. *sniff sniff* by EkriirkE · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's that burning smell?

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    1. Re:*sniff sniff* by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      That's not the case, that's the Pentium 4!

    2. Re:*sniff sniff* by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Formerly Pentium 4, now known as Tetrapentium Oxide.

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    3. Re:*sniff sniff* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did I forget to take the frozen pizza out of the box again or...

    4. Re:*sniff sniff* by bark76 · · Score: 1

      Burnt toast! I smell burnt toast!

  3. First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention, it's enviromentally friendly!

    1. Re:First! by Sj0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't think so. Recycling is the LAST of the three. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. This will result in MORE resources being spent and LESS reuse of components.

      Computer cases are one of the most re-usable elements in a system. My first PC, an 8088 PC, used a Cosmol XT case made of steel, and that case and power supply was the centerpiece of my computer from my XT all the way until my K6-2. Along that time, processor speeds increased by a factor of 100 (4.77MHz to 550MHz), memory size increased by a factor of 50 (256kb to 128MB), storage space increased by a factor of 2000(5MB to 10GB). The important standards for case design didn't change over that period, so there was no good reason to change. Also, the case was totally bad-ass. The computer I built to finally replace the aging beast used a new case, and the standards haven't changed since. I've built Athlon 64s with cases from old Pentium IIs or Athlons.

      Making the case of a PC disposable crap is going to result in more waste, not less. Suddenly I won't be able to have the same case for 20 years, I'll have to replace it with every new computer(or more!). Also, it'll lead to less reuse of components. I've built 6 computers this year from parts scavenged from here and there. All of them have found homes. The parts simply wouldn't be able to be scavenged if the machines were made of cardboard. To clean the outsides of the cases, we had to use soap and water that these cases wouldn't stand up to. Some of them were left in the rain and mud for short periods fo time, and wouldn't be functional if not for the fact that they had cases that could withstand the elements.

      My current case could last me another 10-20 years easily, depending on what standards do (a PC case you bought in 1999 would have an ATX form factor and could be reused today. I could see power supply standards but not case standards changing again in that time). Under this regimen, I could end up with a new case every 1-2 years or more. As others have pointed out, there will also be greater stress on components from EMI and RFI. Making less durable paper cases may be slightly easier for recycling, but it's stupid from the perspective of reducing waste.

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    2. Re:First! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 0

      I've yet to meet a case I liked. Building a new PC, getting a new case along with it is just one of the perks ("Did they get it right this time? Hm, slightly better, but still completely stupid.")

      As for "standards": Position of holes are about the only things standard in PC cases. They're one of the least-standard components of a system, and really a huge failure of the industry. In most cases, you _still_ need to either: use a screwdriver -or- use a completely non-standard and often very difficult/impossible to replace part which is used instead of screws (bonus points: many cases have no alternative to using the nonstandard parts)
      Cases are still almost universally cramped, with no standard whatsoever for how they are accessed, how to get at the more-cramped parts, etc. Replacing "front-panel" components like USB plugs or audio connectors is pretty much a duct-tape-or-nothing situation. In any case, they all seem designed as "build once, never enter again" pieces of shit.

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    3. Re:First! by glebovitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In theory what you say is true. In reality, the landfills are littered with discarded metal PC cases. Just because it CAN be reused, doesn't mean that it is.

    4. Re:First! by appleprophet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      a) Who's to say you can't reuse this case?

      b) Your use case is rare. 99.9% of PC users will not be reusing the same case 5 times.

      c) I am guessing it takes dramatically less energy to create and recycle a cardboard case 5 times than it costs to create a single permanent steel case.

    5. Re:First! by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that the exact same for these cases? Instead of metal cases, it'll be cardboard ones.

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    6. Re:First! by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I don't really see how your hatred of cases is relevant to whether you can reuse the parts or not.

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    7. Re:First! by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      And what a lot of people seem to be missing is that it is really easy to recycle steel and aluminum. Steel has been recycled before they called it recycling!
      Getting the plastic out of the case is a good idea but the metal is really very easy to recycle as is.

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    8. Re:First! by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      a)It's made of cardboard. I'd be shocked if it lasted the life of ONE computer, let alone 10 years.

      b)The same people who don't reuse or recycle a steel or aluminium case won't recycle a cardboard case.

      c)You don't know this, but fibre-making is one of the most energy intensive processes in existence. Most paper mills have multiple boilers producing steam as well as multiple turbines for generating electricity, and STILL pull as much power as a small city. All for a case that's now a possible wear item, rather than being a permenant fixture that'll last far longer than the electronics it houses.

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    9. Re:First! by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      You're already at +5 interesting, so all I can give you is this comment, agreeing wholeheartedly.

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    10. Re:First! by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      That's also true. Unlike fibre, which degrades, steel and aluminium are just as good recycled as not.

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    11. Re:First! by Applekid · · Score: 1

      . . . a huge failure of the industry. . . . very difficult/impossible to replace part[s] . . . Cases are still almost universally cramped . . . Replacing "front-panel" components . . . "build once, never enter again" pieces of shit.

      Sounds to me like you might need to pay a little more money for your case. I've whiteboxed maybe 20 computers for myself and others and have run into POS cases maybe twice. There's a lot of garbage cases, ones that will make you bleed like crazy, ones that can barely take getting looked at. The $75 - $100 range is filled with some roomy, well designed cases. I don't like the "Fast & Furious" looks of the modern cases, but the ergonomics has certainly improved over the last 20 years.

      My most recent case is fantastic. 20 years ago to replace an accessory card I had to unscrew 12 screws on the outer case U panel, gets some Band-Aids to stop the bleeding, unscrew the bracket and hope I don't drop the screw into that unreachable spot on the motherboard, swap the cards, and reverse. Today I pull a handle on the side and the size folds down, I flip a plastic holder that's holding the shield, swap the cards, and snap both back into place.

      Replacing drives is similarly less knuckle-scratching. I've got a small plastic block of pins with a dial I can do a quarter turn on and slide the drive out from the front. Back then I needed to put something under the drive in the case to hold it up (or so some Spiderman-esque poses) so it doesn't drop with an expensive thud when I unscrew the sides of it.

      I'm much happier with the state of the case industry than I used to be. Although I miss my turbo button. :)

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    12. Re:First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this is slashdot and its taboo to RTFA but the problem is that systems are re-usable but no one is doing that. Mom and pop who got a virus so need a new computer are most likely chucking their old one into the garbage and just picking up a new system from wal-mart for $300.

      This idea of cardboard cases would great for the mass market, metal cases could still be available for home builders, servers, enthusiasts, basically people who will chuck their computer into the garbage in 3-5 years because "the internets are slow now" or they want to upgrade.

    13. Re:First! by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Computers are re-usable, and people DO do that. I built a new computer, so my brother got my old one. My dad bought a new computer, he gave my sister his old one. That's sort of how it works. I don't know of many people who are quick to throw a computer out. (besides, if there are, I also know of people who roam the dump hoping for such finds, because they get cash for recycling computers)

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    14. Re:First! by krenshala · · Score: 1

      You clearly haven't ever worked on a truly good chassis then. There are definitely chassis' that aren't worth the cost of the paper in the packing slip, however, there are also chassis that are well worth every penny you spend on them, and then some. The $200 Antec chassis I've recently set up is extremely easy to get into and work on (and no, I do not feel that screws are a bad thing; I prefer having parts secured to the chassis by metal, not plastic). My only complaint has been the placement of the memory on the motherboard (up "top" where heat would gather when the system is upright) which is a motherboard design problem, not a chassis problem, and that wouldn't have been a problem if my air conditioning had worked correctly and I didn't live in Texas. : /

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    15. Re:First! by shentino · · Score: 1

      True, but since cardboard is easily biodegradeable it might balance out.

    16. Re:First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but you apparently haven't changed your sig in nearly four years.

    17. Re:First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) Corrugated cardboard is stronger than you think.

      b) It is trivial to recycle cardboard -- in the US, in most locations, municipal services actually pick up cardboard and plastic directly from your home. Steel? Not so much.

      c) Steel is cleaner and cheaper to manufacture than cardboard? [citation needed]

    18. Re:First! by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      A)Oh sorry, you tried to clean that coffee stain off of your computer. Too bad. Well, enjoy your new case!

      B)Did you know that you can get PAID to recycle steel? Lots of people DO know that, and if you throw out that computer, they actually pick them up at the dump and collect the check.

      C)Steel is going to be produced either way. Once it exists, it exists, and it can(and will) be recycled. Unlike cardboard, whose fibre is degraded after each use, the steel can be recycled indefinitely. At the kraft paper mill I work at, you couldn't sell us this shitty degraded pulp for pennies on the dollar, because we simply won't use it.

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    19. Re:First! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      Sure, cases now offer alternatives to screws. But not /standard/ alternatives. My current case (around the $100 range) has screwless-everything, sure. But when all the non-standard plastic drive rails snapped, I was left with 4 spaces for hard drives which were unusable because they were too wide to work with screws (rails or nothing!) and even if that weren't the case, where the "screw holes" should have been were completely inaccessible, because while the slots were very convenient to use when pulling rails out in one direction, the "sides" of the drive were completely covered by other parts of the case, making it impossible to get at them in the other direction.

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  4. Could they have included by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

    Some pictures?

    My imagination is running wild.

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    1. Re:Could they have included by carolfromoz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't make me imagine what you might be imagining >

    2. Re:Could they have included by jfengel · · Score: 1

      There is a picture in TFA, but the photographer (or editor, more likely) decided that "interesting composition" trumped "actually conveying information". It is kind of a pretty picture, as long as you weren't actually interested in the subject of the article.

      Of course, this is a "human interest piece", which means the "subject" is a human, and the computer is a prop. If the subject is "technology", that goes in a different section of the paper.

    3. Re:Could they have included by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Try here, Cardboard brown is the new green for computers
      Yeah a case review with no pics ( 2 miniscule images ). Sure.

    4. Re:Could they have included by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      I was paying attention, until I got to the picture of that "Chima" girl, at the bottom of th epage. Then I started digging the REAL "new Brown"!

      I remember something about "Brillo". Like Warhol does a PS/2 tower...

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    5. Re:Could they have included by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's really nothing "green" about that.

  5. What happens by maroberts · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I spray coke over it like I normally do when reading Slashdot?

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    1. Re:What happens by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're not fooling us for a second - that's not coke and you're not reading slashdot.

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    2. Re:What happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      My God. I hope he's not reading slashdot.

    3. Re:What happens by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 5, Funny
      I love that this comment is coming from someone calling himself "oldspewey"...

      Pot ... Kettle ... etc. ...

    4. Re:What happens by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      Oh there are stories. Yes there are stories.

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    5. Re:What happens by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      LOL! Now I sprayed coke all over my computer!

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    6. Re:What happens by bgarcia · · Score: 1

      When I spray coke over it like I normally do when reading Slashdot?

      Use flour instead of coke. Less expensive and achieves the same look.

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    7. Re:What happens by DittoBox · · Score: 3, Funny

      Isn't there something about goats, yoda dolls and grits for this?

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    8. Re:What happens by MartinSchou · · Score: 2, Funny

      I love that this comment is coming from someone calling himself "oldspewey"...

      Pot ... Kettle ... etc. ...

      I'm pretty sure you mean:

      Pot ... Kettle ... Sticky ....

    9. Re:What happens by Bruiser80 · · Score: 1

      Although, that would be a way to patch a cracked case

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    10. Re:What happens by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      My God. I hope he's not reading slashdot.

      Oooh, say that again, but with less bolding and more italics....

    11. Re:What happens by jamstar7 · · Score: 1
      Different strokes for different folks.

      Pun intended for the humor impaired...

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  6. Better description and pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/05/recompute-a-closer-look-at-the-sustainable-cardboard-pc/ for a better description and better pictures

    1. Re:Better description and pictures by carolfromoz · · Score: 1
      Nice! I commented and blew my mod points, but yes this link is much better.

      I'm still not entirely convinced by his arguments about how high a temp you need to burn cardboard. Seriously - 258C??

    2. Re:Better description and pictures by jbengt · · Score: 1

      I'm still not entirely convinced by his arguments about how high a temp you need to burn cardboard. Seriously - 258C??

      Might be a little high, but not much. After all, doesn't paper burn at 451F?

    3. Re:Better description and pictures by dollargonzo · · Score: 1

      Fahrenheit 451 = 233 C. It makes sense that cardboard is a little higher

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    4. Re:Better description and pictures by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Informative
      Personally I think he's slightly off but cardboard does generally have to reach a high temperature to burn. 258c, I think converts to nearly 500f. I think he's a bit too high as I've always known it to be 450 for cardboard to burn.

      Unless your computer catches on fire it will never get hot enough for cardboard to burn. They put oven meals in cardboard, people reheat pizza in its box in the oven and cooking food in a oven is much hotter than a PC.

      From this link: http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/feedback.cfm?next=10&topic=Thermodynamics&start=1#Science%20project%20boiling%20water%20in%20cardboard%20box

      Paper must reach the temperature of 451 F (233 C) to burn. But the water in the box is less than 212 F (100 C) and any heat added to the paper will be absorbed into the water by conduction. The paper and water will be at the same temperature. In fact, any material you use that readily conducts heat will stay at about the temperature of the water.

      Once all the water has turned to steam, the cardboard or paper will burn.

    5. Re:Better description and pictures by shaitand · · Score: 1

      This thing has no room for card slots. He works on the assumption that you will use onboard video. Garbage. Especially since the aluminum cases are currently made out of is recyclable and even profitable to recycle.

    6. Re:Better description and pictures by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention much more reusable. I used the case from my first PC, an XT, for over a decade. There's no reason to believe my current case won't last me at least another decade. This cardboard case looks like it might even be a wear item you'd have to replace a few times over the life of a PC.

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    7. Re:Better description and pictures by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're treating the cardboard with a flame retardant?

    8. Re:Better description and pictures by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I'm still not entirely convinced by his arguments about how high a temp you need to burn cardboard. Seriously - 258C??
      It's probablly not that far off but while it sounds high I would draw your attention to

      http://www.metacafe.com/watch/26293/cpu_cooler_removed/

      >AMD athlon 1400
      >Temperature 370C/698F
      >Application crashes
      >CPU and board up in smoke

      Ok modern CPUs have more protection but the fact remains is there is enough power there to make small areas hot enough to burn cardboard under fault conditions. The case must be able to contain that.

      This is a cool project but the three issues of fire safety, lack of screening and lack of robustness make it impractical as a product IMO.

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    9. Re:Better description and pictures by atamido · · Score: 1

      The chances to catch fire depend heavily on the makeup of the cardboard. This appears to be cheap, uncoated board, so there is likely to be a lot of loose surface fiber. If a capacitor blows on the motherboard and produces a shower of sparks, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the case begin to burn.

      As the other poster mentioned though, this can be mitigated by adding flame retardants.

  7. Must-have accessory by srussia · · Score: 1

    MUJI speakers!

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  8. Works for me by oldspewey · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'm not one to worry about shiny panels, glowing lights, etc. that are just going to sit unseen under a desktop. So long as it provides adequate cooling and airflow, and it's reasonably quiet, I'm in.

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    1. Re:Works for me by DangerFace · · Score: 1

      The only problem I can foresee with something like this is that anyone like me has to lug their desktop around from time to time - not often, but often enough for a cardboard box to sound like an iffy place to put a big pile of expensive electronics. Not to mention the kicking, spillages, etc that I rely on my sturdy metal case to stop would quickly deteriorate the quality. Nevertheless, this idea has great potential, and I hope it works out - I just can't foresee buying one anytime soon.

    2. Re:Works for me by Molochi · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't mind buying a case that replaces the plasic with formed paper pulp. Most cases are primarily steel and highly recyclable already, in addition to providing a strong conductive and shielding material for case fabrication. But you could just mold the various plastic bits in paper/wood pulp instead. It might look kinda cool

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  9. grounding? by virmaior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is grounding no longer a problem? I haven't built a computer in a while, but I'm not sure if cardboard makes a good ground.

    1. Re:grounding? by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      At least yourself makes a good ground.

    2. Re:grounding? by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      Is environmental grounding required? I thought that most components made use of the power supply's ground wire directly. Otherwise, it's pretty pointless to have a case that doesn't have a direct conductive circuit to the power supply, which many don't.

    3. Re:grounding? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Grounding has always been via the power supply primarily, the power supply always has a ground plug for that reason. The case was just a handy secondary ground when working on the computers. I imagine that lame grounding strap will be more important for this case, but really grounding isn't a big risk unless you are in a very dry area and producing a large static buildup in your body.

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    4. Re:grounding? by wsanders · · Score: 2, Informative

      What needs to be grounded? There are ground return paths in all component connections, and that is desirable over having random ground currents circulate in the case.

      Having debugged a few interference problems on PCs myself, as far as RFI is concerned, radiation is primarily from external cables. The main problems with PCs are 1) Reradiation from the external power, peripheral, and network cables, 2) Pickup of stray radiation on cables inside the case itself.

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    5. Re:grounding? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Your case shouldn't be your primary ground circuit. Plastic computer cases exist and aren't grounded either. The fact that it isn't grounded isn't what makes this a stupid idea. The fact that cardboard doesn't handle dampness, dirt, insects, etc is what makes this a stupid idea. Coating it with something to protect it, would make it no more recyclable than a plastic case.

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    6. Re:grounding? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Almost all of them do. In fact I am unaware of any case that doesn't.

      devices(CD-Rom. hard dirve, etc) use their case for grounding, and you attach metal screws to old them onto the case, and most likely have other contact. You do not want to start having different 'ground points' in a case. That will casue drift and multiple different potentials.

      This is why you should leave the computer plugged IN, but turned off at the power supply when working on them, also maintain contact with them usually via a strap.

      That said, the risk of damage in normal conditions is real, but low.

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    7. Re:grounding? by kencurry · · Score: 0

      exactly. Maybe his design school doesn't teach material analysis, but if they do his project is FAIL.

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    8. Re:grounding? by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      Many external hard drives' actual drive is screwed into a plastic runner with no ground. I believe I've seen quite a few arrays that use hot-swap mounts with no obvious conductive grounding connection.

      Static discharge is something completely different. Static can build up to thousands of volts, which arcs between the low-voltage circuitry and damages components.

      I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm just not sure that the ground leakage in a 5v or 12v case are significant enough to warrant much worry. It may be low enough to be considered non-real for all consumer-level intents and purposes.

    9. Re:grounding? by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      There was a story a couple years back about the RF shielding properties of non-metallic materials. I'm having a bit of trouble finding the link. IIRC, cardboard won.

    10. Re:grounding? by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      In electrical engineering, grounding is used for two purposes:

      First, it is used as a safety feature. All electrical code regarding grounding is meant to protect a human from electrical shock in the event of a short. In this event, you're correct that 5v or 12v with relatively low current potential aren't enough to justify grounding. I don't think either voltage would require grounding by electrical code.

      Second, it is used as a shield drain. In industrial applications, a separate shield ground is used for this purpose, but in PC applications, it's pretty routine for shielding to be connected to hydro ground. USB, Serial, and Parallel ports all use the chassis for their shield grounding (so in industrial applications an isolated ground is used).

      So to answer your basic question, yes, every computer case currently has a conductive path to hydro ground, it's neccessary, but I'm not sure what effect losing it would have on components. Obviously laptops exist so it may be trivial, but I'm not sure it's non-zero.

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    11. Re:grounding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grounds fine when wet.

    12. Re:grounding? by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      This is why you should leave the computer plugged IN, but turned off at the power supply when working on them, also maintain contact with them usually via a strap.

      Which is the biggest problem with this idea: the case is non-conductive, and therefor liable to build a static-electric charge. This is bad. It's pretty obvious that this guy is an Industrial Engineer, rather than an Electrical.

      It's generally suggested to keep non-conductive materials at least 6 inches from parts without a conductive chassis. So this case is alright for the optical drive, though the HDD control circuits could be damaged. And don't even get me started on the motherboard. A conductive coating on the interior could fix this issue, but it isn't mentioned explicitly. I'd hope one gets added eventually, otherwise this case could end up creating additional electronic waste due to ESD.

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    13. Re:grounding? by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      That was informative. Thank you!

    14. Re:grounding? by Strake · · Score: 1

      Well, I ordered a new computer in a cardboard case on my mother's credit card, and wound up grounded, so there's no worry.

    15. Re:grounding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The case was just a handy secondary ground when working on the computers.

      Personally I hope the power supply never fails then. I've personally experienced a power supply that went bad and had some caps inside it explode while trying to diagnose the problem. After taking the mobo out of the case to make sure there was no shorts and doing a POST it exploded. The only thing that was keeping it from exploding while in use was the grounding through the case.

    16. Re:grounding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The case was just a handy secondary ground ..."

      *Secondary* ground? I sure as hell hope not. This would create a grounding loop, which you definitely do not want.

    17. Re:grounding? by noidentity · · Score: 1
      Is grounding no long

      er a problem? I haven't built a computer in a while, but I'm not sure if cardboard makes a good ground.

      Simple solution: wrap the box in aluminum foil. As a bonus, you definitely keep the CPU control rays out. Definitely.

    18. Re:grounding? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      As in the discussion above about Faraday Cages, it seems trivial enough to glue a layer of aluminium foil to the cardboard. It'd only add pence to the overall cost, and is still cheaper than an actual metal case.

    19. Re:grounding? by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      Since the goal of this project was manufacturability, I would assume a spray coating would be better. However, this could also interfere with the 'no-fastener' properties if it were too thick.

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  10. THANKS BUT NO THANKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im glad my chasis is waterproof (and stain proof...)

  11. the case is the easy part by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Informative

    The case is either Al or steel sheet metal, easily recyclable. The toxic sludge and heavy metals in the PCB, capacitors and solder are the problem. Call me when they invent cardboard solder.

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    1. Re:the case is the easy part by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Call me when they invent cardboard solder.

      Call me when anybody gives a rat's ass enought to call you.

      Seriously, I hate that meme, it's such a dick of a thing to say that it makes me grumpy and causes me to jeer an otherwise good post.

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    2. Re:the case is the easy part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you do know they use lead free solder now.. right? The stuff sucks for working with, but it's what they use

    3. Re:the case is the easy part by nine-times · · Score: 0

      Lots of cases have various plastic pieces. Those still might be recyclable, but maybe not as easily recyclable as aluminum or steel.

    4. Re:the case is the easy part by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I wonder how much extra ewaste is right now going into dumps because of that crap. Did the environmentalists even bother to see how bad the extra failure rate is for that stuff before forcing it down everyone's throats? Because I have seen a good 400-500% increase in dead electronics due to solder failure.

      IMHO they should have demanded recycling plants for the solder we had, not force an inferior solder down everyone's throats. from talking to my engineer buds they are seeing the same thing as I am-lots of stuff that should be working but failed from the new solder giving out. I think 20 years from now we'll look back on the solder switch as another really bad idea pushed through under 'saving the planet". Whether we'll actually get a functional solder is anyone's guess, as all those failing devices means you have to buy NEW devices, which is of course planned obsolescence at its finest. IMHO the problem was NOT the solder, it was sending the stuff for "recycling" to the third world where it became an eco-disaster. It should have been recycled here and the materials then reused. That would have made more sense and helped the environment more than some faulty new solder that still gets dumped in the third world or ends up in a landfill.

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    5. Re:the case is the easy part by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The case is either Al or steel sheet metal, easily recyclable. The toxic sludge and heavy metals in the PCB, capacitors and solder are the problem. Call me when they invent cardboard solder.

      Bingo. And what about the energy and resources involved in producing the internal components? Apparently these are very high (e.g. in terms of water, etc.)

      I don't want to sound too much like I'm attacking an idea which may well have been intended as no more than an interesting concept (albeit one that's been done and reported on Slashdot on at least one previous occasion). Still, it smacks of those feelgood/sounds-good prominent but tokenistic green efforts that are all too commonly the focus of bandwagon-jumping PR-oriented greenery.

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    6. Re:the case is the easy part by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Ouch, I suppose I deserved that.

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    7. Re:the case is the easy part by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wasn't environmentalists who pushed it; it was companies who saw the financial benefit of doing so.

      If you could release a technology which would receive wide support for being "green" but degraded faster than the traditional parts, would you do it? Sure you would - because you could just blame the increased failure rate on the wackos. "Green" and "ecologically responsible" stuff is popular. Just like the current "green" fuels for vehicles (E85, here's looking at you), they don't work out in fact or practice, but they do result in good advertising.

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    8. Re:the case is the easy part by russotto · · Score: 2, Informative

      It wasn't environmentalists who pushed it; it was companies who saw the financial benefit of doing so.

      Right. The RoHS is just a figment of our imagination; electronics companies actually decided to use crappier, more expensive solder in order to promote planned obsolescence.

      Seriously, we've been hit twice in the solder department. First it was water-based fluxes (the problem wasn't the flux, but the flux remover, which had some truly nasty compounds in it). For quite a while they didn't work so well causing insufficient wetting of the components resulting in failure of the solder joint. Once that was ironed out, then the RoHS with the lead-free solder requirement came in. This time the solder goes on fine, only to later develop "whiskers" which short out the devices.

    9. Re:the case is the easy part by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      The case is either Al or steel sheet metal, easily recyclable. The toxic sludge and heavy metals in the PCB, capacitors and solder are the problem. Call me when they invent cardboard solder.

      Solder for Cardboard? You mean....duct tape?

    10. Re:the case is the easy part by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It was never about "saving the planet", it was a few years earlier and about "saving the kiddies". A bit of lead is not a problem so long as it doesn't get anywhere it can be breathed in (eg. recent Chinese scandal) or ingested. I really don't know why lead isn't still in electronics and why it isn't just treated like old lead acid batteries. It is a very easy material to recover so long as care is taken not to let it get too hot and let vapour escape.

    11. Re:the case is the easy part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3M already make cardboad solder ... http://products3.3m.com/catalog/au/en005/office/office/node_CGXJ0V9L89be/root_D58K9TX3VWgv/vroot_G3SJG25V2Hge/gvel_V5XCP7P1L3gl/theme_au_office_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html

  12. Silverfish by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I bet the case will be all eaten in a year or so.

  13. EMC Nightmere by distilate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not again.

    This is not the first time we have seen this idea

    cardboard does not act as a Farady cage and the computer will leak large amounts of radio frequency interference so will not be legal in most countries.

    1. Re:EMC Nightmere by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      cardboard does not act as a Farady [sic] cage. Neither does the plastic most computers are now made of. I assume the solution for cardboard is the same as the solution for plastic: spray a metallic coating on the inside and ground it.

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    2. Re:EMC Nightmere by Quothz · · Score: 1

      cardboard does not act as a Farady cage and the computer will leak large amounts of radio frequency interference so will not be legal in most countries.

      That's pretty easy to solve with a few cents worth of aluminum.

    3. Re:EMC Nightmere by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I saw we split open soda cans and beer cans! When we open these babies up for a RAM upgrade we can get and advertisement from Budweiser and Mountain Dew.

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    4. Re:EMC Nightmere by shaitand · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently you haven't opened one. There aren't many plastic cases around. There are aluminum cases with plastic molding on the outside.

    5. Re:EMC Nightmere by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While you are at it, just a remarkably smaller volume and mass for the aluminum of the outside of the case.

      This has got to be one of the DUMBEST "self-nuke" ideas to come along here in a long time.

      Take a tower PC that's likely going to be mostly encased in metal to begin with.
      Take that very trivially recyclable component and then go out of your way to
      REPLACE it with something that is probably going to cause more harm to the
      environment when you try to recycle it.

      Replacing plastic with paper is not the answer.

      This is not the grocery store.

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    6. Re:EMC Nightmere by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Usually not even that. The faceplate on most cases are plastic, but the body of the case is obviously aluminium or tin or steel.

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    7. Re:EMC Nightmere by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, I really don't get this bullshit.
      People keep talking about plastic cases.

      I have never seen a computer case without fucking metal.

      I have seen designs for such, though.
      I can only imagine the amount of fail.

    8. Re:EMC Nightmere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never seen a computer case without fucking metal.

      What a weird fetish.

    9. Re:EMC Nightmere by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

      That is why I chose to use a steel case for my computer. I was hoping that the case would act somewhat like a Faraday cage. That is also why I did not choose a case with a window. I also wanted my computer case to be fire proof. Of course aluminum would have also worked well, for both purposes.

      I once had my ceiling start to leak just above my computer (when it was not running). I have also spilled coffee on the case once. Fortunately the components on the inside stayed dry, both times. Would a cardboard case have turned into wet cardboard?

      I have also occasionally had mice chewing on things behind my desk. A family of mice might choose to chew their way into the cardboard computer case, and turn it into their nest and then start chewing on the wires and cables inside. It has been annoying enough with the pack rats building a nest under my truck's air cleaner, on two occasions over the years. Some of my neighbors have had the wiring and even a heater hose on their cars chewed up by pack rats repeatedly, on several occasions over the years. That makes me wonder what mice could do to a computer, if they ever got inside. I would also not want one of the local 7 inch long by almost 1 inch wide centipedes, to get inside my computer case, and possibly damage something.

      Call me old fashioned, but I like heavy duty steel or aluminum components. When I grew up, coffee came in a steel can and even band aids usually came in a steel container. I once tripped while getting out of bed, and the sudden weight of my 250 lb. body on top of the computer case did not damage the case.

      When I upgraded the motherboard, I reused the old steel case. I suppose you could call that recycling it. I did not see anything obsolete about the case. I also reused my old keyboard and monitor.

      The computer is surprisingly heavy. Moving it is about like lifting a bag of cement. Perhaps I should add several thick steel plates welded to the inside, to make it so heavy that it would be difficult to steal.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

    10. Re:EMC Nightmere by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention the possibility of possibly having termites or carpenter ants in the cardboard.

    11. Re:EMC Nightmere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment looks like a poem with all the line breaks. Haven't any of you ever seen a clear case:
      http://www.clearcomputercase.com/photos/SPECKS/1450-all.JPG

    12. Re:EMC Nightmere by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      And remember kids, if its illegal, its automatically a bad idea.

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    13. Re:EMC Nightmere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the 1950's the US build a national defense network called Semi-Automatic Ground Environment(SAGE). Filled with massive vacuum tube computers these were supposed to control aircraft intercepting soviet bombers. In the event that the US based SAGE system was destroyed (nukes) the USAF ordered contractors to build a Back Up Intercept Computer (BUIC) for operation in various isolated sites in Alaska and Canada.
      The contractor thought the computers would only be used once.
      They build the cases out of cardboard---for vacuum tube computers.
      Only one was ever constructed-it operated in a training base in Florida.

    14. Re:EMC Nightmere by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      Like the case made from Transparent Aluminum? Yes it does exist.

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    15. Re:EMC Nightmere by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      the USAF ordered contractors to build a Back Up Intercept Computer (BUIC) for operation in various isolated sites in Alaska and Canada. The contractor thought the computers would only be used once. They build the cases out of cardboard---for vacuum tube computers. Only one was ever constructed-it operated in a training base in Florida. Did someone put holes in the BUIC?

  14. I think a better use for grad students... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...would be a cardboard case for a house.

    1. Re:I think a better use for grad students... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Someone already did that.

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    2. Re:I think a better use for grad students... by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, for 35,000 a pop. Not exactly cheap for cardboard...

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  15. Re: by coolmoose25 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Call me when they invent cardboard solder.

    They did. It's called "Duct Tape"

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  16. I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by pecosdave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've used very early AT cases all the way into the socket 7 era - I even built an ultra rare P-II era system into an early AT case once. Then, when I went to ATX I kept reusing cases. Hurricane Ex Wife stealing everything followed by Hurricane Ike put a stop to that reuse chain, but I do intend to start reusing cases again.

    The biggest "need" for a cardboard case comes from big name manufacturers that insist on making proprietary boards and cases instead of sticking with industry standards. I understand why, you don't want people gutting an HP, putting an ECS main board in it and reselling it as an HP at a flea market, but I'm sure there's other ways to deal with that particular issue.

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    1. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The biggest "need" for a cardboard case comes from big name manufacturers that insist on making proprietary boards and cases instead of sticking with industry standards.

      I've got a newsflash for you, but the big name manufacturers are the ones who created the inudstry standards, and they certainly stick to them. That you (and most hobby computer builders) prefer an old, outdated standard like ATX is not something to hold against the industry, which has been trying to move on for years.

      One of the best case formats out there is BTX, the layout greatly improves airflow while at the same time reducing case size in most applciations significantly, all without sacrificing power like other designs. Yet the only people who make boards for it are the big name manufacturers, because hobbyists aren't interested, for some reason.

      The same with ITX, its applications are not those that most hobbyists are into, yet big manufactuers are to a small degree, and they have some useful applications.

      These are all industry standards and allow for new applciations that ATX just doesn't work at all for. For example, there will never be an ATX case small enough to clip to your belt, but there are other form factors that will.

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    2. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Right, and since you build your own machines you'll probably pony up a few more bucks and want a metal case.

      But the average computer consumers of the world aren't going to reuse a case. They are going to buy a machine that costs as little as possible to fulfill their computer needs for 5 years or so, then when it gets too slow or no longer supports the titles they want to buy on the shelf they will throw it away or give it to a charity, and go out and buy a new one.

      Plus, have you seen the cases that the likes of HP, Dell, and other mass manufacturers are putting out? Most require specialized power supplies because the power supply bay is tiny or oddly-shaped, or have other serious issues that ensure you can't really do much in the way of upgrading, much less doing a motherboard replacement. These cases are made to be as cheap as possible for one-time use. Replacing the metal with cardboard and lining the inside of the cardboard with a vanishingly-thin coating of spray-on aluminum would probably cut a precious few bucks off manufacturing costs, save some weight, and put a little more biodegradable stuff in the trash when the box is obsolete.

      Hell, they could save some extra cash by molding the case around the assembled computer - no screws, no fasteners, no frame. Need to maintain it? Forget it! It's not going to be done anyway - if something goes wrong these people are going to take it to Best Buy so the Geek Squad can charge $150 to tell them their hard drive is toast and is unrecoverable, and the user will buy a new one. Then the Geek Squad guy's gonna make some money selling the Quicken files he found on the hard drive on the Internet. There's no need to be able to reassemble the case once it's taken apart for maintenance, because the only reason to take a machine like that apart is (maybe) to salvage a few parts.

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    3. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by British · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I remember playing Tribes 2 on my AMD system many moons ago. It kept locking up about 12 minutes in due to overheating. Finally switched over to an AMD-approved case, and the overheating problems went away. While it would have been nice to keep an old case & keep putting better systems inside, I had no choice on that one.

      I don't miss the old AT cases where to access anything inside meant having to unbolt the side-top-side u-shaped cover. The switch to individual removable sides was a good one.

    4. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Reducing size of a desktop computer is a bad thing for anyone competent to operate a computer. Such a person needs to work in the case so the roomier the better.

      The BTX design does allow for a small cooling improvement but that simply isn't needed for modern processors. BTX was designed to make the P4 operate correctly because it was so damn hot. The P4 is gone and the need for BTX went with it. Being better isn't enough, a form factor needs to be enough better to justify switching the world over to it. The only reason manufacturers use it now is that they skimp on fans and cooling in their cases.

      Additionally, just because you aren't a big name manufacturer doesn't mean you are a mere hobbiest. You dismiss the vast majority of professional computer manufacturers who almost all use ATX designs.

      "The same with ITX, its applications are not those that most hobbyists are into, yet big manufactuers are to a small degree, and they have some useful applications."

      ITX is a nice little standard for compact systems. Unfortunately the cases are actually pricier than a full tower! This is ridiculous since the engineering involved is comparable and the raw materials cost is less.

      The big manufacturers use proprietary power supplies, proprietary drives. Oh they start with normal drives, remove the front panels then stick a custom panel on it for a custom shape on the front of the case(over time they've made it difficult to impossible to move this panel and put it on a replacement drive). All this in the quest to keep HP, DELL, etc repair to people certified or contracted by these organizations and to make sure these people buy their parts from the manufacturer.

    5. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We don't want the damned things because the bastards are knuckle busters. you ever have to work in one of those damned HP or Emachines "minicases"? By the end of the day your knuckles are gonna look like you have been punching a brick wall. And i hope you don't want to add anything weird like....ohh I don't know...a second HARD DRIVE!

      Being a PC builder with 15 years in the biz i can tell you there are plenty of those little bastard Emachine, HP, and Dell cases that the ONLY way to keep those bastards from overheating with a second drive, due to the microscopic drive cages that are so damned tiny two hard drives have to practically be taped together to fit, is to use what my former boss called 'white trash cooling". That is where you take and leave off the side of the case and park a $10 Walmart box fan right against the sucker to blow air into the little PITA.

      So you want to know why they use them and we don't? It is because the cheap bastards can save a few cents on metal and since they know EXACTLY which parts they are gonna use they design it for that and ONLY that. Even then they use some seriously fucked up designs to squeeze shit into these little suckers, like the Compaq Deskpro SFF I'm typing this on where the PSU is a fricking triangle! yeah, good luck getting a replacement for THAT sucker. At the same time we PC builders actually want to use standards and have choices in our components. It may not allow us to make little cute "baby" towers, but we can actually use whatever parts we desire without having to buy our cooling for the household aisle at Wally World.

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    6. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Hey dumb ass, I was referring to a concept, point at one place in that post where I knocked BTX. My point was I could use the ATX case from my Slot A on a newer system if I wanted, BTX is a bit newer so it's not as good of an example.

      If name brand manufactures stick to a standard then I shouldn't have a problem taking a main board from a Professional Dell desktop, sticking it in a home marketed HP, taking the HP board, sticking it in an IBM, then taking that IBM board and sticking it in the original Dell.

      Oh, and everything attached to the manufacturers cases will work with the motherboards of the other manufacturers.

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    7. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding?

      Hobbyists are all over ITX in all of it's various forms.

      It's the OEMs that push the "mostly empty big ugly machines".
      People buy them because they are cheaper. They are cheaper
      because you don't need compact components to build them.

      "reduced case size"? From Dell, HP, Lenovo and the rest of the cabal?

      You've got to be joking.

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    8. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      You have absolutely no idea how many people with an old Packard Bell, Presario, or Pavilion have asked if I could upgrade their systems. The answer - a little bit. Granted, I would like to see those nasty pieces of garbage gone for good, but on a practical matter I really would like to be able to change the main board in some of these consumer systems to A save the consumer money, B come out looking like the hero, and C not produce so damned much senseless waste. From my perspective it's items that should be usable for a while, from an environmentalist perspective it's pollution and waste, and to the consumer it's money that could have been stretched further.

      Granted, I have come across a rare name brand system (even on the home market) that mostly conforms to an industry standard, back in the AT days I did reuse quite a few name brand cases, and I've even upgraded an ATX board in a Pavilion once, but those are the exception, and not the rule. As pointed out earlier, there was still the proprietary floppy drive face, not such a big deal though, who uses floppies anyways?

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    9. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I miss the power button actually turning the system OFF.

      I also miss my old cases I could reuse as a jack stand for my car. Of course I understand why the AT standard had to be replaced.

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    10. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are plenty of computers out there which don't adhere to those standards. Something like the Dell gx270, for instance, which uses an odd ATX-wire-compatible cigar shaped power supply. Vendors seem to love making proprietary, difficult to service cases: seems like every generation of each vendors' products results in a different, difficult to service case design (including different-headed screws).

      BTX is a bad design. It's not Athlon 64 or i7 compatible. ATX is. That's part of the reason hobbyists aren't interested. The fact that BTX power supplies and boards aren't as good, inexpensive, or available also has a lot to do with it - it's not the hobbyists who have nixed BTX, it's the producers. Hobbyists will move to whatever works well for the application, at a good price range.

      Mini-ITX (which is what I assume you were referring to) does have a fairly broad hobbyist adoption. Why? It isn't a bad case design which limits adoption in multiple applications.

      What are the applications for which ATX does not work well? And/or why do they not work well? What about the design sucks? "Clipping it to your belt" isn't exactly a valid (or honest) criticism. There's mini-ATX, as well as a variety of spec diversions - and from what I've seen, they're upwards- and cross- compatible (ie mini-ATX will work in a full-size ATX case). That works well for everything from "small desktop" on up through full-size low-end server.

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    11. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I'm utterly confused by this discussion.

      Recently I've worked on a lot of Dell Optiplexes, and a couple years ago I owned a Dell Dimension 2400. I recently got my hands on my brother's old HP desktop after he killed it through neglect (the CPU fan was filled with so much dust and crap not even convection currents were cooling it at that point).

      As far as I can remember, the cases were pretty close to bone stock. I gave away the Dell because it was a perfectly good machine but I wanted to build an Athlon 64 so I got a new case and build the computer from scratch and gave the computer to my brother, who uses it to this day. The HP was so stock that I threw an old Athlon motherboard into it and now it's in the guest room. I never bothered to check out the Dell power supply, but the HP was definitely a stock power supply.

      I guess back in 1998 they still put things in odd places, but for the past decade or so they've been using ATX, since it's cheap.

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    12. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by natehoy · · Score: 1

      But for the number of people who have asked, there are many more that don't even ask. I'd guess that maybe 20% of machines get some form of upgrade at all, and that's probably being generous.

      I worked for a very large company a few years back that never opened a case. If you needed more memory, it turned out to be faster and easier to simply reimage a new machine with more memory and swap your machine out. Your old machine would get reimaged and repurposed for someone else.

      There were cases when machines got repaired, but by and large that was rare - most machines reached obsolescence and were taken out of service while they still worked (because having a PC break down unexpectedly cost more in lost wages and productivity than the replacement cost of the PC).

      So, yeah, there are certainly people who will upgrade their machines, but they are in the minority.

      Plus, for those few that do redo their machines, put the rebuilt machine in a metal case and it'll be good for a long time.

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    13. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by Sj0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not all cases are created equal. My favourite old case was a desktop case with a pair of buttons to open the case up like a hood. More recently, I worked as a computer tech in a school where the sides of the AT cases came off independently.

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    14. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by natehoy · · Score: 1

      PS: Keep in mind that we're talking about the waste of cases.

      Let's say you have a production run of 10,000 computers, and design your cases in such a way that NOTHING could be replaced.

      For an extra $50, you offer your customers a "metal case" upgrade where they get the same crappy (but at least openable) case they get today, and 20% of your customers think they'll want to upgrade so they order those.

      5 years down the road, 1,000 of your "didn't buy the metal case" customers decide they want to put in a larger hard drive and add some memory. For those customers, you add $75 to the cost of the upgrade and move all their components. They saved $50 up front, so it's all good.

      If you remove the metal from the equation of making 10,000 cases, then 1,000 of them need to be upgraded and get moved to a good-quality steel case, you've still saved the manufacture of 9,000 metal cases at the cost of manufacturing 1,000 "unnecessary" cardboard ones.

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    15. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but as a hobbyists, I've been drooling all over the new nVidia chipset ITX boards, I really want to make an arcade unit with one of those. I'm also anticipating boards that support Athlon Neo for the same reasons.

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    16. Re:I've been recycling computer cases for YEARS. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I've got a newsflash for you, but the big name manufacturers are the ones who created the inudstry standards, and they certainly stick to them.
      Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, i've certainly seen plenty of big brand machines over the years that are very different from either ATX or BTX and/or are based on them but have riser card arrangements that mean you need a specific arragement of slots or have weird connectors (for example the PSU connector on an optiplex I opened recently is far smaller than a standard one)

      One of the best case formats out there is BTX, the layout greatly improves airflow while at the same time reducing case size in most applciations significantly, all without sacrificing power like other designs. Yet the only people who make boards for it are the big name manufacturers, because hobbyists aren't interested, for some reason.
      It's a chicken and egg thing, while most hobbyists/whitebox vendors use ATX that is what manufacturers will sell them. And while most manufacturers sell mostly ATX that is what hobbyists/whitebox vendors are most likely to pick.

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  17. I ordered one... by coolmoose25 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... and the cardboard box came in metal shipping crate.

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    1. Re:I ordered one... by selven · · Score: 1

      And the metal shipping crate came in a plastic wrap and 6 of those contraptions came in a truck towed by another truck. Nothing we can imagine on Slashdot can beat pros though.

  18. Let me count the ways... by t00le · · Score: 1

    I think its a good idea, but it will require a good fireproof coating to pass UL certification, along with being rigid enough to hold a beer or computer books. Just at a glance the idea does have some flaws though, mainly heat will make it brittle over time since it's still paper /w a coating, it poses a fire risk, it will not dampen much noise and vibrations will probably cause it to wear out much quicker, than say METAL that is already recyclable.

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    1. Re:Let me count the ways... by natehoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't have a quibble with most of your post, but cardboard is a MUCH better dampener of noise and vibrations than metal, especially thin sheet metal. Metal can easily become a sounding board for vibrations. Cardboard, not so much...

      Also, cardboard is pretty structurally strong. Stronger than very thin metal. The only reason cases hold any weight is the internal frame, not the thin sheet metal and plastic most "disposable computer-grade" cases are made out of. That frame could either be retained, or replaced with some triangular corner cardboard reinforcements. It doesn't really get brittle if treated properly (seal it so the humidity remains constant and it can last FAR longer than the 5-year lifespan of the computer inside.

      I see your point on the fireproof thing, though. Once you start effectively fireproofing the cardboard you'll likely undo a lot of the cost savings and environmental benefits.

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    2. Re:Let me count the ways... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      First off, as far as I can tell UL does not certify computer cases. There may be other certification issues, but that one is certainly BS.

      Second, do you know anything about corrugated cardboard? When placed end to-end, as in this case design, it is very, very sturdy. I would expect a person could stand on this case without issue, whereas the sheet metal equivalent (except in a few obnoxiously heavy cases) would certainly collapse, at least in the case of a fatass like me.

      Third, with the corrugation verticle, this case will have extremely nice cooling charactaristics. As designed it will probably be the coolest case on the market, I would be surprised if there were heat buildup issues.

      mainly heat will make it brittle over time since it's still paper /w a coating...

      I'm not sure I understand, it's standard brown cardboard, there is no coating. What it actually is, in case you don't understand what corrugation is, is a piece of wavy thick brown paper sandwitched between two flat pieces of thick brown paper. There's no coating. Stack 30 or so of those on top of each other and you have a very sturdy box from pretty much all sides.

      Water could be an issue for the cardboard, but water is already an issue for computers so that's not exactly a big negative there. There is certainly a greater risk of fire due to shorts than a metal case, that would need to be looked into. A light applciation of something like FlameStop should solve some of those problems, but would also increase the cost a little. Flamestop 2 especially, it's a waterproofer as well, and will fireproof 200 square feet of material for about $40 retail, you could probably get it cheaper for larger applications.

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    3. Re:Let me count the ways... by t00le · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's basically a slow news day and any quasi-hippie article will make the front page....film at eleven

      First off the cardboard case will have to find a moronic PS company to allow their power supply to be put inside a paper case if they want to enter the brick-and-mortar sales market. I can think of very few companies that would jump at that idea to be quite honest since it's pretty fucking stupid. I know corrugated carboard, but I wouldn't put my $700 GPU and quad CPU's in it to appear to care more about the environment. In reality the case isn't the problem, but more of the poisons used in the manufacturing (and lack of common disposal) process that wind up in our dumps, instead of approved facilities.

      Put a heavy corrugated box in a hot ass garage during a Texas or Arizona summer, then chat with me about the longevity of even high-end cardboard. I specifically am referencing very highend optical router boxes from Cisco/Juniper that I have in my garage, which are breaking down after a few months. Water as we know enjoys PAPER, which isn't normally a problem unless you are a fucking moron and put your computer parts INTO THE BOX. Since you apparently think it's odd to put a coating on something to improve the fire resistance (and subsequently water resists) I must say, you must be a raging moron. If you are running on ten years hardware, then sure I can see your point that the case storing your assorted drivel shouldn't be fire or water tight since a random short will always cause a fire, so will the bumped glass of -your favorite beverage-.

      All of this under the concept that a paper case is much better than a metal one. Both are recyclable, but one is more resilient and a more practical solution. In fact the de facto metal one exists because it has a place, whereas a paper case is a problem looking for a solution.

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  19. Interference? by raddan · · Score: 1

    TFA is light on details, but I wonder: how does this deal with interference? For consumer electronics, that's a big deal. Aluminum foil? What about flammability?

    I think this is a neat way of thinking about a case. The "spill" issue unfortunately makes it a non-starter where I work... let's just say that many of the people I work with are idiots. For my own personal projects, I prefer a nice case that I reuse for a long time (like a Lian-Li).

    1. Re:Interference? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If you spill something on your computer, the case is the least of your worries.

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    2. Re:Interference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignition point for paper is 451 degrees F. Cardboard shouldnt be lower then that. If your processor is running that hot, you need to apply a heatsink and fan to your processor, and maybe add a first and second case fan, just in case.

    3. Re:Interference? by raddan · · Score: 1

      PSUs occasionally fail spectacularly. In the 6 years that I've worked at my current workplace, we've seen two PSUs fail like this. One of them exploded; fortunately the explosion was limited to inside the PSU chassis, although it was smoking heavily. The other was sending sparks out the back.

      Put it this way: my brother is a fire safety engineer; he interviewed at APC (a power supply company) to do failure analysis of their equipment for fire-safety purposes (he ended up taking another job). Every consumer electronics device has to meet fire safety codes. Computers are no exception.

  20. The case is least important by bcmm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As others have pointed out, the case is not difficult to recycle or toxic.

    And who the hell throws away a case? It's the part that goes obsolete slowest, and several computers might occupy a case before it needs to be replaced.

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    1. Re:The case is least important by tick_and_bash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The people most likely to throw away a case are those who don't build their own computers. Not everyone has the know how or desire to do so. It's much easier to just order already made.

    2. Re:The case is least important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      case? if it weren't for my Christmas present last year, my parents would still be using a 14" lcd with 7 year old components. Although that could have something to do with the Ubuntu install I put on their computer..

    3. Re:The case is least important by bcmm · · Score: 1

      I would hope they don't landfill their computers. Here in the UK that would probably be illegal. You take it to a council dump, and they send it for recycling. In Oxford at least, some parts may go for re-use if they still work. I would hope cases would be recovered at this point.

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    4. Re:The case is least important by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      They do for the most part. They also toss their cell phones.

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    5. Re:The case is least important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people most likely to throw away a case are those who don't build their own computers.

      Which is all the more reason why this is a dumb idea. It's being targeted at people who do build their own computers.

    6. Re:The case is least important by Radish03 · · Score: 1

      It's the part that goes obsolete slowest, and several computers might occupy a case before it needs to be replaced.

      That depends on the case. My parents gave me their old Gateway a few years ago, which I used as a media center PC. When I decided to upgrade it, I was frustrated to discover that instead of the standard rectangular hole with removable motherboard-specific rear panel cover, the back was a solid piece of steel with holes machined out specifically for that computer's motherboard's port arrangement. That pretty much rendered the case as obsolete as the motherboard that went with it.

      Other than that, it was a solid, mostly tool-free case that I would have liked to keep using.

    7. Re:The case is least important by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup - almost any OEM case is nearly useless to reuse. Other issues:

      1. Compact designs often only work with specific board layouts (including assumptions of the height of various components on the board and their position.

      2. The case might or might not have a full set of screw-holes for various board formats.

      3. The connectors for USB/power/reset/speaker/etc often use fancy connectors that are non-standard, rather than just individual connectors. There might even be primitive daughterboards involved.

      4. The power supply might or might not be standard ATX. Granted, that isn't case-related per-se, but it is a chunk of gear that has to be tossed. If the power supply does something weird with the power connections/etc then that is a case issue.

      OEMS do all kinds of crazy stuff that makes their hardware almost impossible to recycle...

    8. Re:The case is least important by SilverEyes · · Score: 1

      It is illegal in almost the entire world. You have one guess which country hasn't ratified it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_Convention

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    9. Re:The case is least important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I do my own recycling, because I'm an electronics nut. If I can't use any old devices, I disassemble them and remove the components. All it takes is basic tools, a desoldering iron (DIP/through-hole) and heat-gun (SMD parts). What's left is a heap of components, metal casing and the bare PCBs. I have a stack of cases that I cut up when I need pieces of aluminum, or for building new enclosures. The only thing left over is the bare PCB, and some useless plastic connectors. It saves me the trouble of buying stuff for prototyping.

      Sooner or later I'll figure out a way to melt the metal for casting gears, building motors, and other things. That'll be really nice.

      I may not be recycling 100% of it yet, but eventually I will. In the meantime, I'm at least as thorough as somebody in China, if not better.

    10. Re:The case is least important by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      No kidding. I've got a mini-ATX case that I bought back in '98 or so for an Athlon 550MHz system. That system is dead/gone, but the case is still in use.

      You can buy a decent punched and rolled steel case for $25 that will last you a decade. It will protect what is inside the case from bumps, drops, dings and (in most cases) spilled liquids. You can move a tower case in a moving van without worrying about the parts and without packaging it in an exterior protective layer. This is not a good role for cardboard, regardless of RF shielding.

      I doubt cardboard w/ RF shielding would even provide a weight advantage over steel or aluminum. Hell, it's a really bad idea from a thermal dissipation vantage point (though would likely help with acoustic/vibration dampening to some degree). A neat mod, maybe, but it's a bad idea in almost every way. You'd be better off taping/gluing cardboard to the outside of a steel case, if looks are what you're after.

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    11. Re:The case is least important by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      And those people are least likely to spend money on a cardboard PC.

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    12. Re:The case is least important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why not take it further and make the whole thing out of cardboard

      http://i.techrepublic.com.com/gallery/57197-500-375.jpg

    13. Re:The case is least important by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Umm that convention seems to put restrictions on shipping waste off to other countries but doesn't seem to say anything about what countries can do with thier own waste internally.

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    14. Re:The case is least important by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      And who the hell throws away a case? It's the part that goes obsolete slowest, and several computers might occupy a case before it needs to be replaced.

      Most people go out and buy a new computer when it's time for an upgrade.

      Heck, I stopped continuously upgrading and now just buy a new computer every 3-5 years.

    15. Re:The case is least important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, I used to build machines for a living, and I just buy them now. I don't game, so I don't need much horsepower, and for low-end machines it's cheaper to buy one built than to order the parts.

  21. Here is an off topic case question by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    why the hell are desktop cases so damn expensive?

    I used to have up right computer cases becasue glass monitors were getting so damn big, and thus heavy. Now with LCD monitors, I would think the desktop would come back.

    It saves more space then the tiny uprights Dell sell that stand next to the monitor, and makes room on the floor.

    Obviously, the people on slashdot that get in and out of there case is probably a higher proportion then most people so I can see why some of you wouldn't want one.

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    1. Re:Here is an off topic case question by damburger · · Score: 1

      Hear hear. I don't know why desktops became so unfashionable either, because from what I saw most people didn't have a big enough monitor to cause problems before they switched over to flat panel.

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    2. Re:Here is an off topic case question by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously, the people on slashdot that get in and out of there case is probably a higher proportion then most people so I can see why some of you wouldn't want one.

      Out? What do you mean by out?

      The case has a transparent side and ventilation for a reason.

    3. Re:Here is an off topic case question by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      The expensive ones are expensive because they're aimed at people who will pay that much for them. You can get cheap cases for $50 or less if you're willing to use a plain beige box.

    4. Re:Here is an off topic case question by tepples · · Score: 1

      I used to have up right computer cases becasue glass monitors were getting so damn big, and thus heavy. Now with LCD monitors, I would think the desktop would come back.

      Then put the upright behind the monitor. Hey, it works for Apple (iMac) and HP (TouchSmart).

    5. Re:Here is an off topic case question by MadnessASAP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell most of the $40-$50 dollar cases I find are far MORE attractive then the $300 dollar cases that get sold to the morons with more dollars then sense.

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    6. Re:Here is an off topic case question by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Bingo! I'm looking for a new case -- my old case has no front USB connectors, etc.... Most of what's out there is aimed at the modders/games. Glass/Plexi windows, fluorescent tubes, etc... I don't want that shit.

      Give me a good looking plain black or beige aluminum (or steel -- I'd pay the premium) case, for a reasonable price.

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    7. Re:Here is an off topic case question by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Desktops are a very bad idea, unless you got an unusually big upper body and accordingly adjusted working place. Because else you will have to look up all day long, which will give you neck stiffness, then neck pain, nausea and headache.

      I had it, I'm very happy I got rid of it, as it killed my mood too, and I'll never look back. :)

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    8. Re:Here is an off topic case question by mlts · · Score: 1

      There is a middle ground for cases though. At the low end, you have cases which will do the job, but the metal is stamped and it will hold what you need (barely), but there are plenty of jagged edges to watch out for. Also, you sometimes have to wiggle lower end cases a bit to get the covers back on. I have one generic case that offered 10 drive bays, but in reality only a fraction of them were usable because of how cables and such were routed. This case at least offered the ability to have multiple fan mounts so I could just use a number of fans set on a low speed.

      A good case has finger-saving rolled edges, and is a lot better built with better tolerances. You don't have to wiggle the case to squeeze that last hard disk in the rails. The case has better airflow routing and quieter fans. Finally the switches on the front are made well enough that you don't fear breaking plastic when you reach for the reset button. Of course, accessibility is a factor. I have seen one case offer 10 3.5" drawers for the drives (as well as the usual 5.25" bays). This made adding and removing drives very easy, where one just screwed in the drive on the bottom, slid the drawer in, and plugged in the SATA cabling.

      Of course, there is a diminishing returns on spending money, but there is a point where people should consider a case that costs enough so it is easy to work inside without having too many blood sacrifices. Since people reuse cases, it is always good to buy a quality case, as opposed to something that is a pain to work with when it comes time to change out the motherboard.

    9. Re:Here is an off topic case question by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Take a look at the Coolmaster Centurions. You can get them without a window last time I looked and they are a nice clean black case.
      BTW Aluminum is more expensive than Steel. Steel cases are cheaper.

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    10. Re:Here is an off topic case question by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Why not get a front bezel piece with the ports you want? My case didn't come with front ports, but now I've got 4 card readers and a USB port. Much better than the cheap crap they'll put on the front of a case.

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    11. Re:Here is an off topic case question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to do a hands-on comparison with these cases. Usually the ones at a 200-300 dollar price range use a lot more material, have no sharp edges and come with a clever interior design that improves handling hardware inside the case. Due to more material being used, they are usually more stable and you do not get noise or deformed side panels which you often see happening with cases in the 40-50$ price range. Aluminium IS more expensive than plastic.

      I am having my Lian-Li cases in use for 10-15 years now and they show no signs of weakening. They still look good and everytime i swap some hardware i am so happy i paid a little more for them. If that makes me a moron, call me a proud one.

  22. Edible housing for termites and cockroaches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as if they're not attracted by the heat alone, now you're gonna provide them with an edible house ?!?!?

  23. Obligatory by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    carry your iPhone 3G in style... recession style.

    Why this case is a fail: The metal is an RF shield, it helps ensure proper operation of both computer and surrounding equipment.

    Grounding is NOT an issue here; the power supply is grounded, there are grounds (usually multiple!) running to disks and whatnot. RF is very much an issue, however. The grounding is way secondary to the shielding.

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    1. Re:Obligatory by damburger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They could easily add a thin layer of foil to the cardboard for RF shielding, without it being a metal case (where the metal is also structural and thus much thicker than you need for shielding). However, I imagine this would scupper the ability to recycle the thing

      Anecdotally, I have run many computers without a case (normally when I have been modifying something, or for brief periods when my existing case has insufficient ventilation for new components but I haven't been able to change it. I've not noticed any problems that I did not notice with the case on. Many of the components (the drives for instance) have their own shielding anyway.

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    2. Re:Obligatory by PotatoFarmer · · Score: 1

      They could easily add a thin layer of foil to the cardboard for RF shielding, without it being a metal case (where the metal is also structural and thus much thicker than you need for shielding).

      I'm not so sure about that - according to the pictures in the engadget article someone linked to above, the case is made entirely of stacked cardboard with internal recesses cut out, kind of like a hollowed-out book. The designer of the case says this was to take advantage of the channels produced by corrugation for airflow, so covering up the exposed corrugated edges with foil would likely cause overheating problems.

      I guess you could encase all of the internal components in wire mesh, but I don't know how practical that would be.

    3. Re:Obligatory by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Hey, thanks for the link! Not because I want an iPhone case (I don't have an iPhone) but because the Q&A is hilarious!

      Q) Is it waterproof?
      A) No, so dont put it in the dishwasher

      Q) Is this case flammable?
      A) If you light it on fire it is

      Q) Can I get a paper cut on my ear while using this case?
      A) My first guess would be no, but anything is possible, we dont promote unsafe use of the recession case

      Q) How long will the case be sold?
      A) as long as it needs to be to get us out of this recession! or while supplies last

      Q) Does it come with a screen protector?
      A) no we are in a recession!

      Q) How long will the product last?
      A) forever as long as you don't destroy it!

      Q) Is this case made from recycled cardboard?
      A) 100% of only the best for you!

      Q) Will the product scratch my device?
      A) no! its cardboard not brick!

    4. Re:Obligatory by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

      Don't forget this bit:

      The processor has its own cooling fan built in and the power supply and mother board are isolated from each other to keep heat from one affecting the other.

      The motherboard and power supply air flows are not meant to be isolated from each other. The CPU fan only moves air across the CPU. The power supply fan moves air out of the case. On a lot of small and medium systems it is the only fan that draws air our of the case.

    5. Re:Obligatory by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Pretty much any PC could be passively cooled if the case were correctly designed and they either had a crapload of heat sink for the CPU plus a tall chimney, or at least the CPU was actively cooled. The only reason PCs build up heat is that they are mostly a closed box, and the power supply airflow is usually required to move the air around the box. In larger cases it's not enough anyway, and then you have case fans.

      Lots of machines only have one fan these days. Some machines have none, which is my preference. I have one of those DT366 webpads that are all over eBay these days and the fanlessness is a thing of beauty.

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  24. The ScreenSavers built one over a decade ago by Maarek+Stele · · Score: 1

    Nothing new. On the ScreenSavers G4TechTV they built one that lasts. With cardboard Power and Reset buttons.

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  25. Once again, BeOS was ahead of its time by int69h · · Score: 3, Funny

    Finally a use for is_computer_on_fire()

    http://www.eeggs.com/items/15121.html

  26. Compostable Platstic? by Chad+Lester · · Score: 1

    I wonder if making parts of out compostable plastic (http://worldcentric.org/biocompostables/bioplastics) makes even more sense. I'm curious how far you could go with that. For example - could the cooling fan blades and body be made out of that stuff too?

  27. Not a fire risk by damburger · · Score: 1

    I seem to have got some notion somewhere that paper products such as cardboard burns at around 451 Fahrenheit (thats about 232 centigrade in proper units). If any part of your computer in contact with the case is anywhere close to that temperature, there is plenty of stuff that has already failed.

    In any case, your current computer likely has a thin, metal case, which will conduct heat very nicely. If it is heated to 232 centigrade, then it will likely heat the floor/desk beneath it to almost the same temperatureï. What do you think happens to wood/carpet? There would be thousands of cases of red hot computers setting peoples homes on fire.

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    1. Re:Not a fire risk by geekoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      One of my favorite books is 'Centigrade 232'

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    2. Re:Not a fire risk by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Well don't heat it up any more, wouldn't want to lose your favourite book :)

    3. Re:Not a fire risk by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      then it will likely heat the floor/desk beneath it to almost the same temperatureï

      It's a hell of a lot harder to set a piece of wood on fire than it is to set a piece of cardboard on fire. And your carpet has been treated with flame retardant, so it's not likely to catch fire either.

    4. Re:Not a fire risk by selven · · Score: 1

      Kelvin 505 would like to have a word with you.

  28. The throw away computer by tetsukaze · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The price of computers coming down is definitely a good thing and making them easier to recycle is great. Unfortunately there is growing trend of waste due to these cheap computers. As a consumer desktop technician I would see people replacing perfectly good hardware due to software issues. They are just so cheap and labor can be be pretty expensive, that it would be stupid to do anything else. The con is that a lot of cheap computers are going to the dump. Things would be perfect if people could learn the basics. Something as basic as backing up files and reinstalling the OS is beyond the scope of most consumers.

    1. Re:The throw away computer by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      Something as basic as "don't change Wallpaper.jpg to Wallpaper.exe when the big flashing pop-up tells you to and then run the file as Administrator" would be a start. After that, then I think I'll trust Grandma to install an OS.

    2. Re:The throw away computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things would be perfect if people could learn the basics. Something as basic as backing up files and reinstalling the OS is beyond the scope of most consumers.

      That's the fault of crappy, badly designed software. Developers like to blame everybody but themselves. Nothing to do with consumers. One day I hope to see software actually designed for it's target audience.

  29. repost ...... :) by Brigadier · · Score: 1

    Pizza Box Linux Server ...

    http://slashdot.org/story/99/09/10/1621242/Steaming-Heap-of-Quickies http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=1999-08-25-014-10-PR

  30. EMI issues by Zeelan · · Score: 1

    A cardboard case sounds good in principle but probable isn't practical for computers due to EMI issues and noise line interference. Hell, I take a look at the 'plastic' cases that some do and already think that they are not all that well shielded.

    One advantage of a card board case is it would be easier to read what is happening in the computer with remote sensors. Or to just it down with a microwave with a hole cut in the door.

    1. Re:EMI issues by jpstanle · · Score: 1

      Just line it with Mylar or embossed foil (Think those really shiny golf ball boxes).

  31. FCC Part 15 class B by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pretty sure a cardboard box with a modern motherboard inside doesn't quite meet the FCC Part 15 class B regulations for unintentional radio emissions needed for residential use. That's why computer cases are usually metal instead of plastic.

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    1. Re:FCC Part 15 class B by geekoid · · Score: 1

      SImple fix: Coat it in aluminum~

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    2. Re:FCC Part 15 class B by DomNF15 · · Score: 1

      Line the inside with aluminum foil - also easy to recycle and very inexpensive.

    3. Re:FCC Part 15 class B by Nimey · · Score: 1

      It'll protect the computer from mind-control rays as well.

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    4. Re:FCC Part 15 class B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then I can set my mainboard directly on the aluminum and wonder why the computer's only output is smoke!

      Brilliant!

    5. Re:FCC Part 15 class B by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      So when I open the case on a computer that is on, I violate a law (or regulation?)?

      Does the case of the other device have to be open too, for something bad to happen? And what would happen then?
      Could I induce something flashy with light and sparks and all the fun stuff? ^^

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    6. Re:FCC Part 15 class B by tilandal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now I don't design computers but I do design radios and I have put devices through FCC. What experience with FCC do you have to qualify your statement that a modern motherboard would not pass FCC?

    7. Re:FCC Part 15 class B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about laptops?

    8. Re:FCC Part 15 class B by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      I have no personal experience with the FCC. I note, however, that Dell, HP and the other major manufacturers of desktop PCs don't offer "window" computer cases. To get those, you go with a specialty company or you buy a case or case mod aftermarket. Though I don't have them on tap, I've read several articles explaining why: the window cases don't obstruct RFI and without it, most computers don't pass FCC class B.

      The fully enclosed and grounded metal computer case acts as a faraday cage, deadening RFI both outbound and in.

      No doubt you *could* design a motherboard and a graphics card and all of the rest of the stuff that normally goes inside a computer case so that the RFI is within the class-B bounds. But that's expensive... which defeats the purpose of a cardboard computer case.

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  32. A can or two of this... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    magic elixir and that case will hold up to a lot more.

    Won't replace shielding though. Maybe snip some tinfoil from your hats?

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  33. almost there... by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

    Now we can just print the electronics http://www.gizmag.com/go/4749/ directly on the cardboard box and just re-use the shipping crate for the computer and capacitive touch sensing keyboard. Now if we could just invent a switching power supply and power cord made entirely of paper it would be almost completely recyclable. Maybe Organic LED printed solar panels instead? Hmmmm, it better not rain much...

    1. Re:almost there... by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      Now we can just print the electronics http://www.gizmag.com/go/4749/ directly on the cardboard box and just re-use the shipping crate for the computer

      Having seen the conditions of some shipping boxes after being shipped, I'm going to say that's a bad idea. Also, the computer needs to be protected against banging, so it would have to be put in Styrofoam, which in turn would have to be put... in a box.

  34. I'm confused... by swanzilla · · Score: 1
    FTA:

    âoeWe already know that the computer will be thrown out, so I designed an object that does just that,â he said. âoeIf we were already reusing cases and replacing hardware (and software) at a mass scale, we would not have nearly the problems that we have now.â

    ...wait, so does his cardboard object actually do the throwing out, or does it alleviate the problems of the mass scale? I wish he was less vague about these problems that we have now. Hopefully that replacing hardware (and software) at a mass scale will provide a solution, with cardboard, to these problems.

  35. Rackmount by Steve+Baker · · Score: 1

    Let me know when they have 5U 24 hot-swap drive cardboard rackmount cases. :-) Seriously though, this might be a good idea, I don't know. I do know no one reuses their cases anymore, but maybe a handful of people who know how to put a machine together, and only then if the machine isn't destined to be hand-me-down or somesuch. Just thinking of all the worthless-when-they-were-new E-machines out there makes me think it might just be a really good idea. As far as getting it wet goes, just paint it, which you'd probably want to do anyway just to make it presentable.

    1. Re:Rackmount by StayFrosty · · Score: 1

      Just thinking of all the worthless-when-they-were-new E-machines out there makes me think it might just be a really good idea.

      Sadly, E-machines and old P2-Socket 478 P4, full tower, ugly, beige gateways are the only ATX complaint name-brand cases I've seen in a long while. I have a friend who has a strange hobby of building nice gaming rigs in these E-machines cases (with vantec tornado's for cooling) and taking them to LAN parties just to get funny looks.

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  36. huh? by shaitand · · Score: 1

    This dude does know that cases are normally made of aluminum and recycling them is profitable and kills no trees like his cardboard does right?

  37. So can my 4 year old nephew. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, this is so unimpressive that I don't know what to say. The fact that this guy got away with this for his THESIS illustrates the decline of education in our society.

    My 4 year old nephew did just this, does he qualify for the degree, too?

    1. Re:So can my 4 year old nephew. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      His professors probably bought into the same mindless "green" nonsense that he seems to have.

      Although this would make a nice subject for someone's thesis in some civil engineering department somewhere.

      "Is the cardboard case really more environmentally friendly than the conventional case?"

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  38. Why not corrugated plastic? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen cat carriers made of corrugated plastic (just like cardboard, but with flexible plastic sheeting, it's a good bit stronger than cardboard) and that would seem like a much better choice of material. Liquids aren't an issue and it's still fairly easy to recycle, plus the plastic can be made with different colors and opacities so it would look nicer too.

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  39. Disposable is sustainable by Jessta · · Score: 1

    "expects arguments about whether the case is really sustainable, given that it seems designed to be easily disposable."

    Disposable is sustainable. The problem is not that things are disposable, it's that they aren't disposable enough.
    I get a disposable coffee cup, I drink my coffee in 15 minutes and the plastic lid is going last 1000 years, that's hardly disposable.
    My coffee cup should last only as long as I need it too. A disposable coffee cup that would start degrading with in 2 days would be a fine timeframe.

    Mass manufacturing means that it's usually cheaper to get something new than to fix something old, just like it's easier to pick new fruit than to fix rotten fruit.

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  40. Durability by Kirys · · Score: 1

    What about Humidity, dirt, paper-eating bugs etc...
    Aluminum and steel are already easily recyclable enough and are highly durable, I used my old steel AT case for 8 years till the ATX era and I think my current steel ATX case will last at least for the same time ;)
    No cardboard box can last the same ;)

    I do believe that cardboard could be a good replacement for plastic and metal in all situations where you don't need durability (I've seen cardboard chairs at a festival), but I want my pc to last ;)
    Cya

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  41. Use plastic you dope! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plastic used in cases sequester carbon from the atmosphere helping to combat global warming! Paper just rots and releases more of it.

  42. This is not news! by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 1
  43. here ya go by zogger · · Score: 1
  44. Jack-pc by Dainutehvs · · Score: 0

    Makes me remember those futuristic cars with wings drawn in 50s. This - http://www.chippc.com/thin-clients/jack-pc/ seams kinda cooler to me.

  45. here is another by geekoid · · Score: 1
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  46. hard drives would have problems by suso · · Score: 1

    I think modern hard drives rely on transferring some of their heat through the metal of a case. I remember Seagate back when they introduced the 10k drives where saying that they could reduce the heat of these drives by 5-10 degrees by using better case mounting that ensured the heat was transfered to the case.

  47. Recycle... by Carl_Stawicki · · Score: 1

    You can recycle the case by giving it to a really short homeless person to live in.

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  48. Four years and one month late, Slashdot by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Cardboard PC Case by Lupo.
    Another article, from Gizmodo.

    PC cases are one thing, but please don't take it too far!

  49. What about wood? by MarkvW · · Score: 1

    Is anybody familiar with what it takes to make a good wood case?

    1. Re:What about wood? by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      Is anybody familiar with what it takes to make a good wood case?

      Norm Abram.

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    2. Re:What about wood? by julesh · · Score: 1

      Google for it. I've seen a few designs that look pretty good out there. You'll have the same problem this case will have of leaking RF interference, but if that's not a problem for you, go for it. :)

    3. Re:What about wood? by Firemouth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is anybody familiar with what it takes to make a good wood case?

      Wood.

    4. Re:What about wood? by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      This is one I am considering myself for my next computer. Its a bit bulky, but looks good and decent quality for something mass produced.

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811204039

      My plan for it so to hinge the top lid and have a little tray inside to keep wireless accessories (keyboard, mouse, MythTV remote, etc).

      To make one yourself? Get a motherboard tray (for example http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3387). Build a wooden box around it. Make sure it has ventilation. If you want to get fancy, stain/paint it, do some inlays, wood carving etc.

  50. Re: by treeves · · Score: 1

    It's a joke and all, but one of the useful properties of solder in electronics is that it is conductive as well as adhesive.

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  51. Not very recycleable. by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

    a 100% aluminum or steel case is 100% recyclable. This "cardboard" thing is a gimmick. In fact most computer cases metal components are always recycled as the metal has the highest value.

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  52. ZOMG teh furture!! by Evildonald · · Score: 1

    What next? Paper books?!!/?!??!

  53. How about the glue and chemicals in carboard? by plastick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ummm... no.

    Aren't there some terrible chemicals used in the processing of cardboard? Have you ever driven by one of these plants? It's not what I would call "environmentally friendly".

    I mean, kudos for thinking out of the "box" but I think the idea needs work. A kid spills something on the top of the case and you're toast. For what people pay for a modern computer, they want it protected, safe from fire, and they want it to look nice.

  54. Such a bad idea, let me count the ways... by Aphoxema · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Catching on fire
    Getting wet
    Condensation
    Humidity
    Supporting other objects
    Stress
    Changing structure
    Changing composition
    Bacteria
    Mold
    Bugs getting inside, getting them back out
    Mites
    Unwashable
    Overheating
    Weight of components
    EM interference to internal components
    EM interference to external appliances (possible FCC violation)
    Grounding
    Reusability/longevity
    Papercuts
    Transportability
    Modification
    Static
    Security
    Looking stupid

    Did I miss anything?

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    1. Re:Such a bad idea, let me count the ways... by gemtech · · Score: 1

      I think that you touched on it, but shipping would be a major design challenge. I work with stuff shipping from China all the time and passing ISTA ship acceptance testing for a cardboard box with heavy object inside (mother board, hard drive, power supply, etc.) would require a lot of extra support structure.

      Maybe they could just pack it with hamburger...

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    2. Re:Such a bad idea, let me count the ways... by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      Oh, yes!

      Drying out
      Bleaching
      Conforming to form factor
      Odor
      Susceptibility to vibrations, shaking
      Keeping upright (nothing to properly mount to)
      Maintainability

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    3. Re:Such a bad idea, let me count the ways... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      no but you made issues where there are none. Cardboard serves many useful purposes in homes and businesses without succumbing to any single one of your ridiculous "ways its a bad idea." Fortunately, I can dismiss them because you don't know anything about the material properties of corrugated cardboard.

    4. Re:Such a bad idea, let me count the ways... by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 1

      Cats.
      Dogs.
      Mice.
      Rabbits.
      Parrots.
      Children.

    5. Re:Such a bad idea, let me count the ways... by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1
      When I first saw this pop up on Slashdot, I thought it would be about getting ready for the 2010 census.

      Every 10 years in the US, a huge government bureaucracy lurches into life to once again perform the constitutionally-mandated counting of the population. Back in 1980 I was close to someone who worked in the effort, and came to know a bit about how it was organized and supplied -- and I assume it has not changed a lot in the intervening years.

      The Census Bureau opened hundreds of offices all over the US, and each was supplied with cardboard desks, chairs, shelves, cabinets, etc. The ingenuity of creating serviceable, disposable equipment for short-term use was quite astounding. When the census activity was done, off to the dump with it all!

      When I saw the blurb about cardboard computer case, I was thinking laptop, not desktop, and I figured the census might be wanting to use thousands of laptops temporarily. Therefore cardboard laptop to fit with all else cardboard.

      If it turns out that today the cardboard furnishings are no longer in use, then I would shed a nostalgic tear. Sigh.

    6. Re:Such a bad idea, let me count the ways... by Sideshow+Mark · · Score: 1

      Homeless guys

    7. Re:Such a bad idea, let me count the ways... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My little pony" stickers and superglued print-outs of goatse every morning by practical joking colleagues.

  55. Lan Parties by Sethus · · Score: 1

    My buddies and I used a cardboard computer case for a desperate friend at a lan party in highschool. As we quickly found out, the worst thing about it, is the complete lack of easily mountable intake and outtake fans. The actual ingeneuty of the story is far more interesting (basically 12 of us scrounging for enough computer parts to allow our friend to play), but to this day it still boggles my mind we got the darn thing working. To prevent overheating though, we pulled the mobo and everything out of the cardboard box. It stopped overheating then pretty quickly.

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  56. Dust by Tdawgless · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Working in a large Data Center, we explicitly prohibit staff and customers from bringing cardboard onto the DC floor because of dust. Not only does cardboard have a habit of carrying dust from the outside, it's a huge contributor of dust as the cardboard breaks down. Hopefully they plan on treating the cardboard to mitigate this decomposition.

  57. Recycling by colin_faber · · Score: 0

    If only existing computer cases where made of materials which could easily be recycled. Say steal, plastic, and aluminum. When will we learn!

  58. Great for clean rooms i guess... by qha · · Score: 1

    ... anywhere else that thing is going to collect colossal amounts of dust.

  59. I recycle... by Schnoogs · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...as much as the next guy and I even got rid of my gas guzzling sports car but there are limits to my conservation efforts. I like shiny cases. I have a Mac Pro running Windows 7 and it' just a thing of beauty. I think it's great what he's doing but at the same time I don't want to feel guilty about placing some value on things that look or perform nice at the expense of the environment. I'm all for reducing our footprint but at the same time I'm emotionally shallow enough that I like to surround myself with pretty metal things that probably took a lot of effort to extract from the earth. ;)

  60. dispose of?? Computer?? by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    Don't know about the rest of the world but I rarely 'dispose' of gear. There is always some piss-poor excuse for keeping that 486dx around. Maybe it's just sentiment.

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  61. Environmental benefits? BS... by MadCow42 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I challenge any claim that this has environmental benefits...

    1) metal computer cases do not significantly contribute to environmental issues. Sure, they add bulk to landfills, but they aren't full of toxins or dangerous substances. It's the motherboards and components that are of concern with disposing of this type of stuff... and that's all still present in a cardboard-cased computer.

    2) by making the outside of the computer more "disposable", they're encouraging people to throw them away at the end of life more than to recycle them... people will feel less guilty about doing so. If you think 18% recycling today is bad, this won't help improve things. You'd be better off making cases out of lead, mercury, and plutonium to get people to handle them properly upon disposal.

    Net effect? More disposal of the stuff that actually causes problems... sorry, this ain't a winner.

    MadCow.

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  62. Beware! by damuhatori · · Score: 1

    Don't set your ipod on it!

  63. Aluminum works too by Xenious · · Score: 1

    Aluminum and glass are recyclable too I think I'll stick with them instead.

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  64. Re: by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    Since when was Duct Tape made out of cardboard?

  65. Good way out of recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cardboard housing in general may be a good way out of recession.

  66. What a rip off! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Dad! I thought you got me a computer! I ripped the cardboard box open and all I see is computer parts!"

  67. Ridiculous, Stupid, Idiotic by drbuzz0 · · Score: 1

    A computer is not a device which you "dispose of" on a constant basis. Okay, sure, they don't exactly last forever, but a half descent computer should give a good two years of service at the very least. I'm typing this on a vintage 2006 computer and somehow I don't feel like it's useless. Cardboard is about the worst material for durability, fire resistance, liquid resistance etc. You spill a little liquid on it, its ruined. After a few months of just getting moved around it will look like hell, not to mention it does already. The CASE of the computer is not the expensive or the difficult to make part. It's just a metal box. You still have the power supply, the motherboard and everything else.

    This case would easily disintigrate before the useful life of the computer ends. It would end sooner, though. If the case had some descent mounting hardware, you could upgrade it a lot easier than this.

    Of course you can recycle a case made of steel, plastic or aluminum. It might not be quite as easy, assuming you need to reduce it all the way back to the raw materials.

    Here's a crazy idea: A case made of reasonably durable materials. A simple ATX/FlexATX/ITX standard case. In other words, an ATCX case which also has screw holes in it so you could put an ITX style motherboard or one of the other reasonably standard variations. That case will be not just recyclable but entirely reusable until all of said standards have been completely abandoned and no longer avaliable for mother boards - which is likely to be some time. Computer getting old? Why buy a new one. Get a new mobo and pop it in the case. Use the same power supply and case and you can even use the same optical drives and other accessories! Too complicated for you? Send it back to the manufacturer and they'll put a new board in it, and even clean off all the fingerprints and grime on it.

  68. I Know! by CranberryKing · · Score: 1

    The box it ships in.. is the case! Just like Model A's using part of the crate as floor boards.

    1. Re:I Know! by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      I'm actually doing this with my computer Phenom x4 9950BE and a ATI4850 1GB, 4GB ram, the PSU, HD, DVD drive are all sitting on the table next to the box.

  69. Worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulations on doing something most computer techs did in grade school. Since we'd rather pay for a new house instead of a $30 case we might as well pad the inside with newspapers to damper the sound of the computer.

  70. Other ideas by chicago_scott · · Score: 1

    Hey, how about a cardboard oven? Cardboard lamp? Cardboard lighter?

  71. How sturdy is it??? by Vetruvet · · Score: 1

    I wonder what would happen if something hit it... I can't imagine it would be very sturdy... What if some angry jackass just kicks it? Or what if I spill my coffee on it?

  72. LUPO already sold these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Er, folks? This was well-blogged over five years ago when the japanese company Lupo produced it.

    The company's gone, and not in waybackmachine, but here's plenty of pics from G'image
    http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&q=lupo%20cardboard%20computer&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

    Oh, and a /. mention of it from 2003
    http://slashdot.org/story/03/05/07/179254/Oddball-PC-Cases-From-Japan

    Dunno which is more amusing this morning - that Taco didn't remember, or that nobody else has pointed it out in the comments already.

  73. Re: I also Recycle directly by xiando · · Score: 1

    My then-really-expensive Chieftec case for my home desktop now houses it's third motherboard. I had to replace the ATX PSU with a ATX2 PSU the last time I changed motherboard, but I did NOT have to replace the case. I see absolutely no reason to throw away a good PC case ever, unless they change the ATX standard and I seriously doubt will be done within the next 20 years. Why would they do that? Would a cardboard box survive that long?

    One more little detail. The last time I changed motherboard/CPU was because the PC turned off and there was smoke emanating from the motherboard when I opened the case. I wonder how well cardboard would have handled that little incident, specially if I were not in front of the computer at the time?

  74. A fellow Houstonian by devleopard · · Score: 1

    Not sure if I'm proud or not. Of course, if he wanted to fit the stereotype, he would have used plenty of duct tape.

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  75. Re: by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Ah, so the silver-colored, reflective dust tape, then?

    Or maybe you people can start using duct tapes for what it was intended - patching up wounds.

    Same goes for you whippersnappers who think super glue is anything but a liquid bandage.

  76. why?! by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

    Why would you want a cardboard case? Is it actually beneficial in any way?

    Cases are generally made from steel and/or aluminum... I thought both of those could be recycled easily already? Is cardboard actually easier to recycle than steel and aluminum?

    What about grounding? Yes, I know, there are ground paths on all the power plugs on your components... But the case has always provided another grounding path. Is this no longer necessary?

    What about RFI? I thought one of the major reasons to use a metal case (as opposed to the very few all-plastic ones out there) was to cut down on RF interference.

    My understanding was that the majority of nasty (hard-to-recycle and/or toxic) stuff in a PC came from the PCBs, capacitors, ICs, and like kinds of things. How does a cardboard case cut down on this at all?

    How durable is this cardboard anyway? I know I accidentally kick my computer at least once a week... Will this cardboard box stand up to that kind of abuse?

    And the reasoning - because PCs are disposable? If your PC is disposable you're doing something wrong. Yes, they get damaged from time to time... And technology marches on... But PCs aren't disposable. It isn't like you're supposed to buy a new one every season. It isn't like you buy a new computer to match your fabulous evening gown.

    And if anything is disposable in a computer, it sure as hell isn't the case. I've been re-using this same case for about 10 years now... It's a monstrously huge HP case that originally contained a storebought computer. I've replaced every single component in that case several times over, and I'm still using the same case.

    Yeah, a paper computer sounds all nifty and green... But I really have to wonder at the logic. It doesn't seem to me that a cardboard case would actually improve much of anything, except maybe the manufacturer's bottom line.

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  77. Case Reuse by jizziknight · · Score: 1

    I see a lot of people commenting on how this is a bad idea because the case is the most reusable piece of a computer. While that may be true, how many people do you think actually reuse the case of their computer when they upgrade? I'd be willing to bet that most Joe Sixpack type consumers simply replace the entire machine when they're ready to upgrade. Sure, the /. crowd may upgrade parts until they can upgrade no more, and finally replace the entire guts, but do we realistically think that grandma is going to do the same? No, she'll buy an entirely new computer, and throw her current one out.

    Don't get me wrong, I think a cardboard case is a terrible idea. There are just so many things that can go wrong (fire, water, instability due to vibrations, etc, etc). I just think that saying it's a terrible idea because a normal case can be reused isn't an entirely realistic argument.

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    1. Re:Case Reuse by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Most people who upgrade with a new PC don't tend to just throw out old computers, either. Nobody I know throws away old computers. They'll give them to their kids, or their neighbours, or their grandkids, or anything other than throwing them away!

      I replaced a Dell 2400 I used through college with a new Athlon 64(which has since been upgraded to a Pentium whatever -- Without replacing the case!), and I didn't throw the old machine away, I gave it to my brother, who has been using it for years.

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  78. wrong part by sorak · · Score: 1

    So, this guy figured out a way ot make the one reusable part of the PC just as disposable as the rest of the system? When you figure out a way to make a cardboard motherboard, or to implement a cost efficient business model whereby someone can exchange an old case for a new one with new guts (I.E., the propane tank model), then we will see some benefits. This guy just did the equivalent of trying to combat global warming by unplugging the speedometer in his SUV.

    1. Re:wrong part by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Look on the bright side! Now all we need to do is figure out how to make monitors out of cheese, and we'll never have to worry about pesky reusable components ever again! YAY!

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    2. Re:wrong part by sorak · · Score: 1

      I currently have a CRT. Does that count as a non-reusable component?

    3. Re:wrong part by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      I've got two CRTs, so no.

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  79. Impractical by kimvette · · Score: 1

    That case is impractical. What happens if the power supply or motherboard decide it's time to put on a light show? Instant fire! That's a liability they will have to overcome. Current metal (and plastic to some extent) will contain small fires or explosions you might get from a PC. Think it's too far-fetched? I had an Abit VP6 that went up in flames a few years ago, and on another occasion an MGI "viper" power supply that caught fire (serves me right for using anything but sparkle)

    Beyond that there are other practical concerns:

    • children will destroy it
    • not durable for moving
    • Won't hold up as long as plastic+metal
    • Will collapse when users pile stuff on the chassis
    • It will make a lousy footrest (I like to put my feet up)
    • It's ugly - worse than old beige cases
    • won't shield RFI/EMI - both incoming and outgoing (it will send unwanted interference and will receive unwanted interference)
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  80. In fact by elsJake · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Buying a proper case , such as a chieftec is the best "upgrade" i've ever done. CPU temp on my Prescott dropped from 80*C to 40*C (no bullshit) due to proper ventilation. Hard drives stopped buzzing all day long , and best of all , unlike all the cheap cases i've ever had this one worked without bending at the rear when inserting the mobo , and is still usable after all these years , and will still be usable when i upgrade the rest of my components. Every time i got a cheap case something on it broke , got really dirty due to bad design or the components just plain didn't fit. The reduced stress due to lots of space inside , toolles screws and reduced "finger cutting in sharp edges" just added to the benefits. It might've cost 5x times as much as an cheap case , but it made up the difference 10 times. Since then I've replaced all cases in the house with proper cases. My point is: cheap metal cases suck anyway , paper would suck even more. Don't be a cheapskate , you get what you pay for. * *doesn't matter if you see the pc as if it were a toaster with more buttons.

    1. Re:In fact by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You and I are not the average PC purchaser - who never opens the machine for three to six years, and then replaces it. For them, the PC *is* just a toaster with more buttons. So long as it works until they feel a need to replace it.

      There were a number of manufacturers experimenting with injection-moulded ABS cases quite a few years ago - they typically needed no tools (or at most a screwdriver for a single screw) to open and service, and could easily be broken down for recycling into a pile of electronics, a stack of plastic and a small amount of sheetmetal. It's quite possible that heavy-duty corrugated cardboard covered with a thin polycarbonate shell and lined with a foil or thin sheetmetal shield woud be able to do just as well for three-year-throw-away consumer-grade computers like most people are using.

      It's also quite hard to see that kind of case taking off for that kind of use, as in five years I expect a three-year-throw-away computer to be about the same size as a hardcover book and easily attach to modular external storage - like what the Mac Mini tries to be. Of course, I've been expecting *that* real-soon-now since I first heard about USB, and I'm still waiting for my jetpack and flying car...

  81. Hey! by sitarlo · · Score: 1

    This will match my new cardboard house!

  82. Good Idea, Bad Application..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    And when static, dust, or heat kills the computer, who pays for the replacement?

    What about the electrical issues?

    Sorry, but I like my eco-unfriendly steel case. Sturdier, more durable, and safer.

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  83. I did this once by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    It never fails when you order a computer piece mail that you forget to buy a part. This time it was the case. So I took the UPS box that it came in, and carved out some slots for the ports, and used it as a case. I just made sure never to leave it on overnight in case of fire.

  84. BTW..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    BTW:

    I already did this when my replacement mobo wouldn't fit my old case, and had to wait until a suitable case came in.

    Cost me nothing, since I used the box it was shipped in.

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  85. Shielding... by PhotoGuy · · Score: 1

    I designed and built a case out of a small storage tote, since I wanted a smaller case than standard.

    It fit nicely, cooled well, and ran nicely. It looked pretty cool, too, translucent.

    But Lordy, don't underestimate the value of shielding/grounding that your metal case gives you. That sucker threw off so much RF interference it was insane. And I got video/sound interference on the display/speakers for the PC, quite serious. And I had occasional lockups.

    Tossing the same gear into a metal case, and everything was fine.

    If this cardboard case works, it must have some tinfoil or something in it to shield/ground things, or it'll be a dud.

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  86. Throwing out a case? by phorm · · Score: 1

    People will Dells or many other prebuilt computers? They tend not to be friendly standard components/mainboards/etc... I tried cramming some in Dell cases to no avail
    People with newer boards and older cases (again, some parts don't fit)
    Those who insist on the newest case-de-jour that looks like ET with LED eyes...

  87. Long life case by MrKaos · · Score: 1
    Or you could have a long life case and upgrade the components. I've done this to my zalman several times now.

    Still like the idea of cardboard case though. and there is nothing wrong with painting it inside with aluminum paint to shield for RF and paint the outside to made it look nice.

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  88. These green ideas keep getting worse by the week by tengeta · · Score: 1

    "Sorry dude, I totally tripped over your computer while I was hammered last night, and its fucked"

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  89. Cardboard? Aren't cases flimsy enough already? by MoxFulder · · Score: 1

    Does anyone really want disposable computers? Most of the cheap cases you can buy on Newegg or other online computer stores are already made of very flimsy, lightweight aluminum. They dent easily, chip easily, and the paint sucks. It's a shame, because the case is one of the easiest parts of a computer to reuse: the ATX form factor has been around since 1995, and still works very for full-size desktop systems, along with its moderately smaller variant microATX.

    My current workstation got all-new components in 2008, but the sturdy, accessible case, PSU, and DVD-RAM drive date from the Acer system I bought in 2003. And I see no reason why they can't last another generation of components as well.

    My point is: if you want cheap computer cases, reuse them! It's better for the environment, and easy to do.

  90. small images by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

    is there any other pics beside from chron.com? i can't stand sites that use stupid, small images. it is rediculous, and so many news sites do that. small pictures are worse than no picture at all! 640px wide should be the minimum, and that's pushing it. it's 2009 for christ's sake! if it is gonna mess with the flow of your page, at least put in a larger-image-pop-up-viewer-thing!!

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  91. I'd like to see... by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see him do a cardboard netbook with an ePaper touch screen ;-P~~~~

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  92. Who needs a case? by marciot · · Score: 1

    A true hacker runs his computer without a case, with the HDs hanging out every which way, and the motherboard resting on an old pizza box.

  93. Stupid idea , RFI , UL listing and Noise! by John+Sokol · · Score: 1

    1.) It can't shield Raidio noise, and so will never be fcc compliant.
    2.) fire hazard, metal is used to contain any electrical fires that may break out.
              Cardboard would become fuel.
    3.) Cardboard would act like a speaker cone amplifying any vibrations from the fan and harddrive.

    trust me in the past 20 years I have seen many people try this, some when as far as metalic coatings and fire retardant. Other used graphite coatings.

    It's just not a good idea. And will never get past FCC and UL listing which meaning using it in your home means if for any reason the house catches fire and it happened around the area of the PC, like the power strip, they will not insure your home.

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  94. why do you care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Did the environmentalists even bother... IMHO they should have demanded recycling plants for the solder we had"

    But you should not?
    Given that you're not an environmentalist, why do you care?

  95. Re:Seems like a bad idea by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

    Different solders melt at different temperatures depending upon the mix of metals. Cardboard, depending on the chemical treatments would work, however the properties of cardboard are in question here because it is a good conductor for heat which does not dissipate and defeats the object totally. Also cardboard is lethal, given the right temperature, cardboard has incredible explosive properties at flash point and can create a blast akin to a small amount of C4 (Plastic Explosive). So as in MythBuster style "will this take off?" Yes it will take off your leg if it reaches the right temperature which is another good reason not to have ya box under the desk!

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  96. Re:Cardboard? Aren't cases flimsy enough already? by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

    I have regutted my case as well from many years ago. Ironically it's this.

    The specs at the end are the old system, I really need to update my site :(

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  97. nasty by indi0144 · · Score: 1

    centipedes in my computor?!

  98. better materials exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bamboo and sugarcane fiber are very tough and very cheap (especially sugarcane, it has been used for those brown clipboards for as long as I can remember). Assuming you don't use a bunch of epoxy resin to hold it together it should be relatively easy to recycle.

    Paperboard and cardboard can be foil-lined, while not making it nice for recycling it is cheap and provides proper EMI shielding so you aren't interfering with various electronic devices.