I will admit that I don't think a hybrid could happen through natural processes under normal conditions... Lets play with some numbers...
Lets assume that 99.999% of the population (6,525,170,264) haven't had intercourse with a chimp.
This leaves 652,517 people who've had intercourse with a chimp.
Lets assume that 50% (326,259) of the cases resulted in insemination.
Lets assume that 15% (48,939) of the cases resulted in fertilization (chimp or human).
Lets assume that 15% (7,341) of the cases produce a viable embryo.
Lets assume that 15% (1101) make it passed the first trimester.
Lets assume that 75% (165) of the cases are terminated after the first trimester or at birth.
Lets assume that 75% are locked up in a lab, basement till death or terminated when found by others.
41 hybrids unaccounted for.
And I found these tidbits on wikipedia (Animal_sexuality, Humanzee):
"Looking back in history, current research into human evolution tends to confirm that in some cases, interspecies sexual activity may have been responsible for the evolution of entire new species. Analysis of human and animal genes in 2006 provides strong evidence that after humans had diverged from apes, interspecies mating none the less occurred regularly enough to change certain genes in the new gene pool:
"A new comparison of the human and chimp genomes suggests that after the two lineages separated, they may have begun interbreeding. [...] A principal finding is that the X chromosomes of humans and chimps appear to have diverged about 1.2 million years more recently than the other chromosomes."
The research suggests that:
"There were in fact two splits between the human and chimp lineages, with the first being followed by interbreeding between the two populations and then a second split. The suggestion of a hybridization has startled paleoanthropologists, who nonetheless are "treating the new genetic data seriously.""
and...
"Compared to other apes, humans are short one chromosome, since ape chromosomes 2p and 2q have fused into a large chromosome (which contains remnants of the centromere and telomeres of the ancestral 2p and 2q) in humans[2]. Having different numbers of chromosomes is not an absolute barrier to hybridization. Similar mismatches are relatively common in existing species, a phenomenon known as chromosomal polymorphism.
The genetic structure of all the great apes, including humans, is similar. Chromosomes 6, 13, 19, 21, 22, and X are structurally the same in all species of great apes. 3, 11, 14, 15, 18, and 20 match between gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans. Chimps and humans match on 1, 2p, 2q, 5, 7 - 10, 12, 16, and Y as well. Some older references will include Y as a match between gorillas, chimps, and humans, but chimpanzees (including bonobos) and humans have recently been found to share a large transposition from chromosome 1 to Y that is not found in any other ape.[3]
This level of chromosomal similarity is roughly equivalent to that found in equines. Interfertility of horses and donkeys is common, and some of the resulting hybrids are themselves fertile. In a direct parallel to the chimp-human case, the Przewalski horse (Equus przewalskii) with 33 chromosome pairs, and the domestic horse (E. caballus) with 32 chromosome pairs, have been found to be interfertile, and produce semi-fertile offspring, where male hybrids can breed with female domestic horses.[4])"
Anyhow... I'm sure it's nothing a reproductive endocrinologist can't handle given enough time, money, and willing subjects.
"I would like to know if this is a learned behavior from an outside source or if this is simply something they have discovered on their own."
I think they discovered it on their own, think about it:
Mammalia -> Primates -> Hominoidea -> Hominidae -> Homininae -> Hominini -> Pan -> Pan Troglodytes (Chimpanzee)
Mammalia -> Primates -> Hominoidea -> Hominidae -> Homininae -> Hominini -> Homo -> Homo Sapiens (Human)
We are so close to Chimpanzee's that a human/ape hybrid is possible without the help of genetic manipulation, i.e. wear a condom if your that desperate. It's believed that the Pan/Homo split happened about 6 million years ago some where in Africa.
So the question really is... 6 million years into the future will Pan Troglodytes be as smart as current day Homo Sapiens?
Not interfering. I'm facilitating, the choice to learn Perl was theirs. The biggest reason to learn Perl (over ruby or python) is because it's already installed on 90~99% of *Nix systems. Same thing for learning vi, awk, sed, csh, bash, etc. etc. A good admin should know at least the basics of these things even if they prefer not to use them. If it where Ruby or Python that came first and Perl was the hot new thing you'd still need to learn about the old stuff.
"What should those of us that want people to NOT pick up Perl do?"
You should do nothing, If someone wants to learn about it (it being whatever it is) then you should not interfere. If what you say about Ruby and Python are true then Perl will become less and less relevant. It's effectively a self correcting problem.
This: http://www.ebb.org/PickingUpPerl/pickingUpPerl.pdf guide is awesome if you want to learn Perl. Concise and articulate, it manages to explain all the major topics of Perl in 66 pages. I recommend working through the entire guide as quick as possible, don't worry about remembering everything as you can always come back to it later. I also recommend having the O'Reilly camel books (Learning Perl, Programming Perl, Perl Cookbook) handy when going through the guide. You can read the books here:
http://www.jimsannex.com/Studies/CD_perl/index.htm but you better go out and buy the real thing, worth every penny!!! If your running Windows you'll need to download Perl and a good editor with syntax highlighting:
After you install perl open a command prompt and run ppm, this is your simple GUI gateway to CPAN packages (make a mental note). After you get a handle on basic perl checkout Perl/Tk (GUI Toolkit for Perl). The Tk packages are included and installed with ActivePerl... Here's your first Perl/TK program:
use Tk;
my $top = new MainWindow;
$top->configure(-title=>"My First Perl GUI Program");
my $lab = $top->Label(-textvariable=>\$labelText);
my $b = $top->Button(-text=>'Click Me!', -command=>sub {$labelText="Congratulations! it worked!" });
$lab->grid(-row=>0, -column=>0);
$b->grid(-row=>1, -column=>0);
MainLoop;
"Wrong! Aliens *really* want to meet a chimp with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other.
Why else do they always say "Take me to your leader"???"
No no no, that's a chimp with a bible in one hand and a tactical nuclear warhead in the other.:-)
"What are the odds that you were born into the correct religion? I don't think your stupid, but you are ignorant and brainwashed.
Nil. I found my religion on my own. I'm afraid you don't know me well enough to call me ignorant. I researched several religions before I found the one I am in now. Is self-brainwashing possible?"
Self brainwashing is possible and sometimes it's the only intelligent choice to make after realizing something may be truth and the consequences of it if it were true... the whole "Ignorance is bliss" thing... I wish I could do that but it fundamentally compromises who I am. Not all religions are bad though, many have positive community, sociological, and moral aspects that are worth participating in even without the belief that the religion is absolutely true, a good example would be the Bahá'í faith. btw... what religion do you practice?
Distance In Miles: 881,774,972,000,000,000,000,000 | The Known Universe 12,932,699,591,262,030,000 | Nearest Galaxy (Andromeda) 587,849,981,421,001,300 | Diameter of Are Galaxy 146,962,495,355,250,340 | Canis Major Dwarf (Satellite Galaxy) 25,571,568,247,811 | Alpha Centauri System 46,000,000,000 | Earth to Sedna 3,718,249,175 | Earth to Pluto 92,428,965 | Earth to Sun 49,000,000 | Earth to Mars 240,000 | Earth to Moon 24,900 | Circumference of Earth 7,926 | Diameter of Earth 2,781 | LA to NY
Miles Per Hour: 1,016,646,473,080 | Warp Factor 9 670,611,130 | Speed of Light (Warp Factor 1) 38,518 | Fastest Man-Made Object (Voyager 1 Probe) 6,600 | Air Speed Record 763 | Land Speed Record
It would take 100,000 Years to cross are galaxy traveling at the speed of light. It would take 66 Years to cross are galaxy traveling at Warp 9.
We may, or may not, be easy to deal with... but the important question to ask is why would they put themselves in position where they had to deal with us? We have nothing to offer to a race that advanced, not even manual labor as I'm sure they've perfected extremely energy efficient robots.
I think your wrong... By definition all people who label themselves and practice a religion are closed minded.
Closed-minded = "stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas."
Do you have any proof that your religion is the correct one? What are the odds that you were born into the correct religion? I don't think your stupid, but you are ignorant and brainwashed.
Mostly harmless? Is a chimpanzee with a bible in one hand and a loaded gun in the other mostly harmless?... If I were an alien, I'd stay as far away from earth as possible.
300GB drive? I'd use USB, FireWire, or a file server. Personally, I store everything on FreeBSD server that has a RAID6 2TB array and GigE connections. I then use the USB on the mini's for things like DVD burners and card readers. I agree though with the graphics card, the onboard GMA950 ain't that great... but I'm not a gamer or someone who uses a lot of 3D stuff.
The Mac mini is upgradeable... The best bang for your buck is a stock 1.66/Combo Mini upgraded to the following parts:
* Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 Merom 2.0GHz Socket M Processor. * 2GB (2 x 1GB) 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300). * Hitachi Travelstar 7K100 60GB 7200 rpm SATA Drive.
If you buy a refurb unit from Apple and sell the old parts on eBay it comes out to about $900. The SPECint and SPECfp 2000 benchmark numbers for the Merom T7000s chips are identical to the Xeon 5100 series, not counting the SPEC rate tests. Simply put, the Meron T7600 (2.33GHz) has the same processing power as a Xeon 5140 (2.33GHz).
"The short of it is that we have a big problem - do we want to eat (grain) or do we want to drive cars. I hope the cars lose."
Actually I'd rather use grains, and sugars, to drive cars. The large quantities of processed cereal grains we eat are bad for us, it's one of the leading causes of diabetes and obesity, and thus heart disease. The human engine has strict requirements on it's fuel sources, eating fuels with a high GI/GL is akin to nitrous in a gas engine, using too much can cause catastrophic failure.
"This sounds a bit apologetic, but the bottom line is that Apple has had two years (at least) to get their shit together with widely available documentation and SDKs from Microsoft that many other software companies have happily used so far.
What makes you think Apple wants to get their shit together for Vista? IMHO the less things that work with Vista the better...
"Microsoft went for ISO fast-track approval which allows only one month for dissenting countries to speak out (and with 6000 pages in the spec it's not enough time -- there hasn't been any public standardization prior to this fast track as is normal with fast-tracked standards)."
That's nice Microsoft but we already have a published ISO standard (ISO/IEC 26300:2006) for "XML schema for office applications and its semantics". One standard is enough, thanks but no thanks. If you want you may propose revisions to ISO/IEC 26300 by submitting them to the JTC 1/SC 34 committee for review... Have a nice day.
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I will admit that I don't think a hybrid could happen through natural processes under normal conditions... Lets play with some numbers... Lets assume that 99.999% of the population (6,525,170,264) haven't had intercourse with a chimp. This leaves 652,517 people who've had intercourse with a chimp. Lets assume that 50% (326,259) of the cases resulted in insemination. Lets assume that 15% (48,939) of the cases resulted in fertilization (chimp or human). Lets assume that 15% (7,341) of the cases produce a viable embryo. Lets assume that 15% (1101) make it passed the first trimester. Lets assume that 75% (165) of the cases are terminated after the first trimester or at birth. Lets assume that 75% are locked up in a lab, basement till death or terminated when found by others. 41 hybrids unaccounted for. And I found these tidbits on wikipedia (Animal_sexuality, Humanzee): "Looking back in history, current research into human evolution tends to confirm that in some cases, interspecies sexual activity may have been responsible for the evolution of entire new species. Analysis of human and animal genes in 2006 provides strong evidence that after humans had diverged from apes, interspecies mating none the less occurred regularly enough to change certain genes in the new gene pool: "A new comparison of the human and chimp genomes suggests that after the two lineages separated, they may have begun interbreeding. [...] A principal finding is that the X chromosomes of humans and chimps appear to have diverged about 1.2 million years more recently than the other chromosomes." The research suggests that: "There were in fact two splits between the human and chimp lineages, with the first being followed by interbreeding between the two populations and then a second split. The suggestion of a hybridization has startled paleoanthropologists, who nonetheless are "treating the new genetic data seriously."" and... "Compared to other apes, humans are short one chromosome, since ape chromosomes 2p and 2q have fused into a large chromosome (which contains remnants of the centromere and telomeres of the ancestral 2p and 2q) in humans[2]. Having different numbers of chromosomes is not an absolute barrier to hybridization. Similar mismatches are relatively common in existing species, a phenomenon known as chromosomal polymorphism. The genetic structure of all the great apes, including humans, is similar. Chromosomes 6, 13, 19, 21, 22, and X are structurally the same in all species of great apes. 3, 11, 14, 15, 18, and 20 match between gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans. Chimps and humans match on 1, 2p, 2q, 5, 7 - 10, 12, 16, and Y as well. Some older references will include Y as a match between gorillas, chimps, and humans, but chimpanzees (including bonobos) and humans have recently been found to share a large transposition from chromosome 1 to Y that is not found in any other ape.[3] This level of chromosomal similarity is roughly equivalent to that found in equines. Interfertility of horses and donkeys is common, and some of the resulting hybrids are themselves fertile. In a direct parallel to the chimp-human case, the Przewalski horse (Equus przewalskii) with 33 chromosome pairs, and the domestic horse (E. caballus) with 32 chromosome pairs, have been found to be interfertile, and produce semi-fertile offspring, where male hybrids can breed with female domestic horses.[4])" Anyhow... I'm sure it's nothing a reproductive endocrinologist can't handle given enough time, money, and willing subjects.
Short answer? Religion happened.n _the_Islamic_World#Decay_of_Islamic_science
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_i
Long answer (do you have two hours?):
http://beyondbelief2006.org/Watch/watch.php?Video
http://research.amnh.org/~tyson/PerimeterOfIgnora
"I would like to know if this is a learned behavior from an outside source or if this is simply something they have discovered on their own."
I think they discovered it on their own, think about it:
Mammalia -> Primates -> Hominoidea -> Hominidae -> Homininae -> Hominini -> Pan -> Pan Troglodytes (Chimpanzee)
Mammalia -> Primates -> Hominoidea -> Hominidae -> Homininae -> Hominini -> Homo -> Homo Sapiens (Human)
We are so close to Chimpanzee's that a human/ape hybrid is possible without the help of genetic manipulation, i.e. wear a condom if your that desperate. It's believed that the Pan/Homo split happened about 6 million years ago some where in Africa.
So the question really is... 6 million years into the future will Pan Troglodytes be as smart as current day Homo Sapiens?
Ye who asks shall receive: http://blog.levhita.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07 /ubuntu-logo.jpg
No wonder people are switching...
Not interfering. I'm facilitating, the choice to learn Perl was theirs. The biggest reason to learn Perl (over ruby or python) is because it's already installed on 90~99% of *Nix systems. Same thing for learning vi, awk, sed, csh, bash, etc. etc. A good admin should know at least the basics of these things even if they prefer not to use them. If it where Ruby or Python that came first and Perl was the hot new thing you'd still need to learn about the old stuff.
"What should those of us that want people to NOT pick up Perl do?"
You should do nothing, If someone wants to learn about it (it being whatever it is) then you should not interfere. If what you say about Ruby and Python are true then Perl will become less and less relevant. It's effectively a self correcting problem.
This: http://www.ebb.org/PickingUpPerl/pickingUpPerl.pdf guide is awesome if you want to learn Perl. Concise and articulate, it manages to explain all the major topics of Perl in 66 pages. I recommend working through the entire guide as quick as possible, don't worry about remembering everything as you can always come back to it later. I also recommend having the O'Reilly camel books (Learning Perl, Programming Perl, Perl Cookbook) handy when going through the guide. You can read the books here:
http://www.jimsannex.com/Studies/CD_perl/index.htm but you better go out and buy the real thing, worth every penny!!! If your running Windows you'll need to download Perl and a good editor with syntax highlighting:
w s/5.8/ActivePerl-5.8.8.820-MSWin32-x86-274739.msi
http://downloads.activestate.com/ActivePerl/Windo
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/
After you install perl open a command prompt and run ppm, this is your simple GUI gateway to CPAN packages (make a mental note). After you get a handle on basic perl checkout Perl/Tk (GUI Toolkit for Perl). The Tk packages are included and installed with ActivePerl... Here's your first Perl/TK program:
use Tk;
my $top = new MainWindow;
$top->configure(-title=>"My First Perl GUI Program");
my $lab = $top->Label(-textvariable=>\$labelText);
my $b = $top->Button(-text=>'Click Me!', -command=>sub {$labelText="Congratulations! it worked!" });
$lab->grid(-row=>0, -column=>0);
$b->grid(-row=>1, -column=>0);
MainLoop;
They don't care, because god can spontaneously regenerate lost body parts at will... Oh that's right, he can't. Lame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnQ22CsLMQo
"Wrong! Aliens *really* want to meet a chimp with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other. Why else do they always say "Take me to your leader"???" No no no, that's a chimp with a bible in one hand and a tactical nuclear warhead in the other. :-)
"What are the odds that you were born into the correct religion? I don't think your stupid, but you are ignorant and brainwashed. Nil. I found my religion on my own. I'm afraid you don't know me well enough to call me ignorant. I researched several religions before I found the one I am in now. Is self-brainwashing possible?"
Self brainwashing is possible and sometimes it's the only intelligent choice to make after realizing something may be truth and the consequences of it if it were true... the whole "Ignorance is bliss" thing... I wish I could do that but it fundamentally compromises who I am. Not all religions are bad though, many have positive community, sociological, and moral aspects that are worth participating in even without the belief that the religion is absolutely true, a good example would be the Bahá'í faith. btw... what religion do you practice?
Distance In Miles:
881,774,972,000,000,000,000,000 | The Known Universe
12,932,699,591,262,030,000 | Nearest Galaxy (Andromeda)
587,849,981,421,001,300 | Diameter of Are Galaxy
146,962,495,355,250,340 | Canis Major Dwarf (Satellite Galaxy)
25,571,568,247,811 | Alpha Centauri System
46,000,000,000 | Earth to Sedna
3,718,249,175 | Earth to Pluto
92,428,965 | Earth to Sun
49,000,000 | Earth to Mars
240,000 | Earth to Moon
24,900 | Circumference of Earth
7,926 | Diameter of Earth
2,781 | LA to NY
Miles Per Hour:
1,016,646,473,080 | Warp Factor 9
670,611,130 | Speed of Light (Warp Factor 1)
38,518 | Fastest Man-Made Object (Voyager 1 Probe)
6,600 | Air Speed Record
763 | Land Speed Record
It would take 100,000 Years to cross are galaxy traveling at the speed of light.
It would take 66 Years to cross are galaxy traveling at Warp 9.
We may, or may not, be easy to deal with... but the important question to ask is why would they put themselves in position where they had to deal with us? We have nothing to offer to a race that advanced, not even manual labor as I'm sure they've perfected extremely energy efficient robots.
I think your wrong... By definition all people who label themselves and practice a religion are closed minded.
Closed-minded = "stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas."
Do you have any proof that your religion is the correct one? What are the odds that you were born into the correct religion? I don't think your stupid, but you are ignorant and brainwashed.
"I believe the correct term is "Mostly Harmless""
Mostly harmless? Is a chimpanzee with a bible in one hand and a loaded gun in the other mostly harmless?... If I were an alien, I'd stay as far away from earth as possible.
Prehistoric stuff encapsulated in amber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-4BQqbyYaQ
300GB drive? I'd use USB, FireWire, or a file server. Personally, I store everything on FreeBSD server that has a RAID6 2TB array and GigE connections. I then use the USB on the mini's for things like DVD burners and card readers. I agree though with the graphics card, the onboard GMA950 ain't that great... but I'm not a gamer or someone who uses a lot of 3D stuff.
The Mac mini is upgradeable... The best bang for your buck is a stock 1.66/Combo Mini upgraded to the following parts:
* Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 Merom 2.0GHz Socket M Processor.
* 2GB (2 x 1GB) 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300).
* Hitachi Travelstar 7K100 60GB 7200 rpm SATA Drive.
If you buy a refurb unit from Apple and sell the old parts on eBay it comes out to about $900. The SPECint and SPECfp 2000 benchmark numbers for the Merom T7000s chips are identical to the Xeon 5100 series, not counting the SPEC rate tests. Simply put, the Meron T7600 (2.33GHz) has the same processing power as a Xeon 5140 (2.33GHz).
Yea man I completely agree. My theory is that it's God that keeps us from being flung into outerspace. I mean umm, gravity is just a theory after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v43Sc3PkIpU
a = 303630
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b = 303631
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Hint: 3 steps after decompressing.
I can read your message just fine, my reply:
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"The short of it is that we have a big problem - do we want to eat (grain) or do we want to drive cars. I hope the cars lose."
Actually I'd rather use grains, and sugars, to drive cars. The large quantities of processed cereal grains we eat are bad for us, it's one of the leading causes of diabetes and obesity, and thus heart disease. The human engine has strict requirements on it's fuel sources, eating fuels with a high GI/GL is akin to nitrous in a gas engine, using too much can cause catastrophic failure.
I Said: "What makes you think Apple wants to get their shit together for Vista?"
You Said: "So Apple has no problem abandoning their customers because they want to screw over a rival company?"
It comes down to a choice:
A = Buy a new PC to run Vista.
B = Buy a new PC and get Vista (forced upgrade).
C = Buy a Mac.
A won't choose C, but B might. If B is already a customer of Apple then the probability of C is high.
"This sounds a bit apologetic, but the bottom line is that Apple has had two years (at least) to get their shit together with widely available documentation and SDKs from Microsoft that many other software companies have happily used so far.
What makes you think Apple wants to get their shit together for Vista? IMHO the less things that work with Vista the better...
"Microsoft went for ISO fast-track approval which allows only one month for dissenting countries to speak out (and with 6000 pages in the spec it's not enough time -- there hasn't been any public standardization prior to this fast track as is normal with fast-tracked standards)."
That's nice Microsoft but we already have a published ISO standard (ISO/IEC 26300:2006) for "XML schema for office applications and its semantics". One standard is enough, thanks but no thanks. If you want you may propose revisions to ISO/IEC 26300 by submitting them to the JTC 1/SC 34 committee for review... Have a nice day.