"One guy even wanted to tell us that our relatives wouldn't be allowed to take pictures at our own fucking wedding! I can't imagine how someone would hire this guy; what kind of asshole is actually going to tell their guests they can't take pictures?"
Put yourself in the photographers shoes. If you, the photographer, spent a lot of time getting the group together and then posing the group etc. and then some asshat walks in and snaps a few pics what do you thing your reaction would be? What if you did all the coding for some project then some asshat comes in and takes it?
Intel x86 == IBM PC Compatible, unless Apple has it's own silicon fab to make non IBM PC compatible x86 chipsets they WILL have to use off the shelf parts. We know two things so far; they will not be using openfirmware and the new mac's will be able to run windows. So the only thing in question here is if they are going to use a regular PC BIOS or Intel's EFI.
If you have a fan only setting on your thermostat then go down into the basement and bypass the air return ducks so that it's sucking in cold air from the basement. think of your concrete foundation has a big ass heat sink.
I think that will be all it takes. If you can do anything you want with it. the techies will buy it up like mad. this increses the number of units sold. then we have the teenagers etc. that just want to play games on it. they will look at the number of total units sold (game mags. etc.) and compare it to mircosoft's total units sold. Microsoft's numbers will look very low and everyone will say, if everyone else has a PS3 then I gotta get one too. thus everything comes out in the wash and microsoft is out, again.
Wow, forward the parent post to jobs et al. Intel COULD undercut every one, including dell:
(a) They make the CPUs.
(b) They make the Chipsets.
(c) They already make mainboards.
(d) They make just about everything else too.
All they need now is an operating system (OS-X), memory, and a case.
Apple can give Intel some sort of exclusive agreement to make white box clones with OS-X on them. This leaves the "designer jeans" computer/ipod/etc. market for Apple, which is already there niche, licensing income from Intel for OS-X, and money from OS-X upgrades to keep them #1 in the "designer jeans" market.
If everyone plays their cards right Microsoft will get a major bitch slapping;-) Who here thinks that Intel came up with this whole scheme and apple decided to play ball??? With the full backing of Intel pushing OS-X the two could make a real killing and you know what, even if they announce the scheme tomorrow nobody could stop them in time. It would take AMD 2 years to ramp up output to supply the whole industry and even then they will be lacking OS-X support. What system would you want?; one that supports OS-X, Windows, and Linux/BSD or one that supports only Windows and Linux/BSD? Sorry I think I'm just restating everything you said, do you work for Apple or Intel?... Also no other "company" (remember Compaq/BIOS) could reverse engineer the special chip that prevents OS-X from running on "other" computers thank to a little DRM and the DMCA. Bend over Microsoft, your about to get your shit pushed in.
"I think that you will have to buy apple hardware to run OS X on, even if you do have PC's currently. Apple has stated that they are not going to have OS X running on non-apple hardware."
I have heard a lot of anecdotal evidence, and using my own knowledge, that leads me to believe that OS-X will in fact run on white box PCs with little to no modifications, let me see if I can track them down/summarize...:
1. The apple dev kit was released monday. if you remember, the dev kit includes a PC. Where and when did apple find the time to build custom chipsets and BIOS for the box? You can't use just any "off the shelf" chipset at random to interface with the x86. you'll have to take what Intel gives you. Also who makes these custom prototype chips, this is NOT cheap to do.
2. "I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS-X has been compiled for both PowerPC and Intel, This has been going on for the last five years" -Steave Jobs WWDC keynote. Again, where did apple find the time to build custom chipsets and BIOS for the box?
3. The x86 and the IBM PC BIOS have been rather dependent on each other ever since the first IBM 5150 rolled off the assembly line.
4. If you are not going to use stock off the shelf parts for the x86 then you will have to port the underlying mach kernel and also write custom machine code for the very low level stuff like the boot loader code. Some of the BSD system land tools will also need to be ported as well. Oh... I forgot, they would also have to write some custom firmware for the system. Oh (2) they need to have a compiler to compile all of this new custom code.
5. "Apple also confirmed that they would not stop customers from running Windows on the Intel-based Mac, although the Mac OS will not run on another PC." "We will not sell or support Windows, but we are not doing anything in the hardware that would preclude someone from using it," said Moody." -Macworld. If A = B and B = C then A = C.
7. "More then even the processor, more then even the hardware innovations that we bring to the market, The soul of a mac is its operating system." -Steve Jobs last words from the WWDC Keynote address.
In summery, It will come down to a few lines of code that need to be circumvented, if that, to run Mac OS-X on white box PCs. Their goal is to make it difficult for "normal" users to run OS-X on white box PCs.
"In the longer run, its going to be more a case of alot more dissatisfied windows users jumping ship and the apple user base growing, in my opinion."
Ding ding ding! that's me.
There are two major things that have kept me from switching the desktops at work to a platform other then windows, this is:
(a) All of are infrastructure is x86
(b) No apps for FreeBSD/Linux; Adobe CS Suite, Quickbooks, etc.
(c) Linux/FreeBSD + X + Desktop + etc. is too much too fast for a layman to deal with i.e. my mother.
I will be switching all of are desktop PCs, in mass, the minute I get my hands on a copy of Mac OS-X86. I will also be telling all of my other, on the side, clients to buy a mac. There are a million other people just like me that want to stick it to Microsoft, I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Umm and no, FreeBSD (and Linux) is not going anywhere. I will still keep on using it in the back office. UNIX in the desktop and UNIX in the server, what's not to love. FSCK you Microsoft! FSCK you SysV UNIX..... BSD UNIX forever!:-)
Most of the terms, MPD etc. are from the 60s & 70s. a lot of times terms or even whole disorders will get change in the newer revisions of the DSM because of current research. An example of this is that the current research shows that borderline personality disorder, depression, bipolar disorder, cyclothymia, and dysthymia are all one disorder and that it could be better catagoized as one spectrum disorder with one pole at Uni-polar (normal depression) and the other pole as Bi-polar (manic depressive). This same thing happen in the DSM-IV when autistium was changed to a spectrum disorder ranging from fully autistic to asperger's disorder. Umm and no I don't really like psychiatrists, alot of them are arrogant etc.
I think Intel will be building PowerPC chips, exclusively, for Apple, here's why:
IBM & Apple wanted out of this arrangement:
(a) IBM can't meet the demands of Apple; cheaper chips, new & faster chips, supply and demand problems.
(b) IBM's new top priority is meeting the demands for the console market.
(c) IBM's current R&D is focused on developing the Cell processor.
"Except that they used Apache 1.3 and MySQL, two of the worst possible choices. If they'd gone for Apache 2.x (which actually uses threading, instead of processes) and PostgreSQL, things would've looked much nicer."
I'm glad you brought that up. IIRC MySQL had some big problems running on BSD UNIX not to long ago. IIRC it had something to do with Linux threads and/or pthreads. This was the reason I picked PostgreSQL to run on my FreeBSD 5.x servers. I bet the poor performance of MySQL on OS-X is because of this...
They should have also done an apples to apples comparison: PowerPC G5 vs. Intel's x86 with both platforms running the same Linux distro or a G5 with OS-X and a x86 with BSD.
Whose Burden? NO ONES!. It should be left for enterprising entrepreneurs. We don't pay to have are cars taken away to the junk yard, no we are payed when we take them to the junk yard. Junk yards are a multi-billion dollar industry. I will not pay for a disposal fee!
I would check out FreeBSD If you don't like jumping through all these hoops to install software, recompile kernel, etc. Or some other source based Linux distro like Debian or Gentoo.
"The aim of getting the same microchip is to ensure a new world order. But it will also mean that information contained in the British cards can be accessed across the Atlantic."
"graphite beats diamond only if the heat can be forced to conduct in a direction parallel to the crystal layers. The material with the greatest thermal conductivity is a superfluid form of liquid helium called helium II, which only exists at temperatures below 2.17 K"
"Here's my suggestion: It's the kid's fault. If you choose to not pay attention in class, that's YOUR fault. No one else's."
What if (s)he's unable to pay attention do to mental and/or neurological reasons, is it then there fault that they have these problems? Rarely are things black and white in this world.
So what you are saying is that he's already "close minded" to anything other then SCSI? and that what he thinks is good for project may not be in the best interest, cost wise, for the project?
Being an excellent software developer does not automatically make them an excellent systems administrator, integrator, or engineer. They are two completely separate fields in the computer industry.
My gut is telling me there only doing this to negotiate a better contract with Microsoft. Why do I think this? Because I have an uncle that works in the Antitrust Division of the DOJ and when they where trying Microsoft back in 2001(ish?) they where doing a site-wide (all DOJ divisions and departments), roll out of Microsoft windows 2000. Why do I know that? Because when he came out here on his vacation he had to take mandatory training classes, Win2k admin / deployment boot camp type deal, and I asked him why he was taking them.
The connection between the Microsoft trial and the windows 2000 roll out is just speculation on my part though.
"When it comes to operating systems, Unix and Windows servers continued to grow. Unix server revenue was $5.2 billion in the fourth quarter of 2004 while the corresponding figure for Windows was $4.6 billion."
The keyword is "operating systems" and the numbers show Microsoft getting it's shit pushed in.
Windows Server 2003, Standard / Enterprose Edition: $1,100 / $3,999 Windows Server 2003, Datacenter 4way / 8way / 16way: $12,500 / $25,000 / $50,000 SuSE LINUX Enterprise Server, 2way / 8way / 16way: $349 / $579 / $899 RedHat Enterprise Linux ES, Basic / Standard: $349 / $799 RedHat Enterprise Linux AS, Standard / Premium: $1,499 / $2,499 Sun Solaris 10, 8way Basic / Standard / Premium: $120 / $240 / $360 SuSE, Redhat, or Solaris Media Only: $0.00
This is stupid, it's apples vs. oranges. You cannot directly compare Firefox to Internet Explorer because Firefox is just a frontend to the Gecko engine, the same can be said for IE and the other browsers that hook into it's engine. For an apples to apples comparison you must compare the engine's they use! I cannot stress that enough as I'm in the middle of a battle with a website that purposely blocks all Gecko products except Netscape 6 and up.
By my own accounts Gecko has an average market share of 17% and 900 million people actively use the Internet(6), you do the math.
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"One guy even wanted to tell us that our relatives wouldn't be allowed to take pictures at our own fucking wedding! I can't imagine how someone would hire this guy; what kind of asshole is actually going to tell their guests they can't take pictures?"
Put yourself in the photographers shoes. If you, the photographer, spent a lot of time getting the group together and then posing the group etc. and then some asshat walks in and snaps a few pics what do you thing your reaction would be? What if you did all the coding for some project then some asshat comes in and takes it?
The profit margins are much higher for office then it is for windows. They won't kill it.
Intel x86 == IBM PC Compatible, unless Apple has it's own silicon fab to make non IBM PC compatible x86 chipsets they WILL have to use off the shelf parts. We know two things so far; they will not be using openfirmware and the new mac's will be able to run windows. So the only thing in question here is if they are going to use a regular PC BIOS or Intel's EFI.
If you have a fan only setting on your thermostat then go down into the basement and bypass the air return ducks so that it's sucking in cold air from the basement. think of your concrete foundation has a big ass heat sink.
I think that will be all it takes. If you can do anything you want with it. the techies will buy it up like mad. this increses the number of units sold. then we have the teenagers etc. that just want to play games on it. they will look at the number of total units sold (game mags. etc.) and compare it to mircosoft's total units sold. Microsoft's numbers will look very low and everyone will say, if everyone else has a PS3 then I gotta get one too. thus everything comes out in the wash and microsoft is out, again.
Wow, forward the parent post to jobs et al. Intel COULD undercut every one, including dell:
;-) Who here thinks that Intel came up with this whole scheme and apple decided to play ball??? With the full backing of Intel pushing OS-X the two could make a real killing and you know what, even if they announce the scheme tomorrow nobody could stop them in time. It would take AMD 2 years to ramp up output to supply the whole industry and even then they will be lacking OS-X support. What system would you want?; one that supports OS-X, Windows, and Linux/BSD or one that supports only Windows and Linux/BSD? Sorry I think I'm just restating everything you said, do you work for Apple or Intel?... Also no other "company" (remember Compaq/BIOS) could reverse engineer the special chip that prevents OS-X from running on "other" computers thank to a little DRM and the DMCA. Bend over Microsoft, your about to get your shit pushed in.
(a) They make the CPUs.
(b) They make the Chipsets.
(c) They already make mainboards.
(d) They make just about everything else too.
All they need now is an operating system (OS-X), memory, and a case.
Apple can give Intel some sort of exclusive agreement to make white box clones with OS-X on them. This leaves the "designer jeans" computer/ipod/etc. market for Apple, which is already there niche, licensing income from Intel for OS-X, and money from OS-X upgrades to keep them #1 in the "designer jeans" market.
If everyone plays their cards right Microsoft will get a major bitch slapping
Try this link
"I think that you will have to buy apple hardware to run OS X on, even if you do have PC's currently. Apple has stated that they are not going to have OS X running on non-apple hardware."
I have heard a lot of anecdotal evidence, and using my own knowledge, that leads me to believe that OS-X will in fact run on white box PCs with little to no modifications, let me see if I can track them down/summarize...:
1. The apple dev kit was released monday. if you remember, the dev kit includes a PC. Where and when did apple find the time to build custom chipsets and BIOS for the box? You can't use just any "off the shelf" chipset at random to interface with the x86. you'll have to take what Intel gives you. Also who makes these custom prototype chips, this is NOT cheap to do.
2. "I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS-X has been compiled for both PowerPC and Intel, This has been going on for the last five years" -Steave Jobs WWDC keynote. Again, where did apple find the time to build custom chipsets and BIOS for the box?
3. The x86 and the IBM PC BIOS have been rather dependent on each other ever since the first IBM 5150 rolled off the assembly line.
4. If you are not going to use stock off the shelf parts for the x86 then you will have to port the underlying mach kernel and also write custom machine code for the very low level stuff like the boot loader code. Some of the BSD system land tools will also need to be ported as well. Oh... I forgot, they would also have to write some custom firmware for the system. Oh (2) they need to have a compiler to compile all of this new custom code.
5. "Apple also confirmed that they would not stop customers from running Windows on the Intel-based Mac, although the Mac OS will not run on another PC." "We will not sell or support Windows, but we are not doing anything in the hardware that would preclude someone from using it," said Moody." -Macworld. If A = B and B = C then A = C.
6. "According to Apple's Universal Binary Programming Guidelines their machines will not run OpenFirmware." -Someone on slashdot.
7. "More then even the processor, more then even the hardware innovations that we bring to the market, The soul of a mac is its operating system." -Steve Jobs last words from the WWDC Keynote address.
In summery, It will come down to a few lines of code that need to be circumvented, if that, to run Mac OS-X on white box PCs. Their goal is to make it difficult for "normal" users to run OS-X on white box PCs.
If you haven't watched the WWDC keynote address, you should: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc05/
Did anyone else see BSD as being the most popular form of UNIX??? Jobs and Woz where there for it's birth.
"In the longer run, its going to be more a case of alot more dissatisfied windows users jumping ship and the apple user base growing, in my opinion."
:-)
Ding ding ding! that's me.
There are two major things that have kept me from switching the desktops at work to a platform other then windows, this is:
(a) All of are infrastructure is x86
(b) No apps for FreeBSD/Linux; Adobe CS Suite, Quickbooks, etc.
(c) Linux/FreeBSD + X + Desktop + etc. is too much too fast for a layman to deal with i.e. my mother.
I will be switching all of are desktop PCs, in mass, the minute I get my hands on a copy of Mac OS-X86. I will also be telling all of my other, on the side, clients to buy a mac. There are a million other people just like me that want to stick it to Microsoft, I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Umm and no, FreeBSD (and Linux) is not going anywhere. I will still keep on using it in the back office. UNIX in the desktop and UNIX in the server, what's not to love. FSCK you Microsoft! FSCK you SysV UNIX..... BSD UNIX forever!
Most of the terms, MPD etc. are from the 60s & 70s. a lot of times terms or even whole disorders will get change in the newer revisions of the DSM because of current research. An example of this is that the current research shows that borderline personality disorder, depression, bipolar disorder, cyclothymia, and dysthymia are all one disorder and that it could be better catagoized as one spectrum disorder with one pole at Uni-polar (normal depression) and the other pole as Bi-polar (manic depressive). This same thing happen in the DSM-IV when autistium was changed to a spectrum disorder ranging from fully autistic to asperger's disorder. Umm and no I don't really like psychiatrists, alot of them are arrogant etc.
No, its DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) formerly known as MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder).
. htm
look it up in the DSM*. here is the diagnostic criteria:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/did
*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (The bible of Psychiatry, current edition is the DSM-IV-TR).
I think Intel will be building PowerPC chips, exclusively, for Apple, here's why:
IBM & Apple wanted out of this arrangement:
(a) IBM can't meet the demands of Apple; cheaper chips, new & faster chips, supply and demand problems.
(b) IBM's new top priority is meeting the demands for the console market.
(c) IBM's current R&D is focused on developing the Cell processor.
You forgot one:
PPC Darwin vs. x86 Darwin
"Except that they used Apache 1.3 and MySQL, two of the worst possible choices. If they'd gone for Apache 2.x (which actually uses threading, instead of processes) and PostgreSQL, things would've looked much nicer."
I'm glad you brought that up. IIRC MySQL had some big problems running on BSD UNIX not to long ago. IIRC it had something to do with Linux threads and/or pthreads. This was the reason I picked PostgreSQL to run on my FreeBSD 5.x servers. I bet the poor performance of MySQL on OS-X is because of this...
They should have also done an apples to apples comparison: PowerPC G5 vs. Intel's x86 with both platforms running the same Linux distro or a G5 with OS-X and a x86 with BSD.
Whose Burden? NO ONES!. It should be left for enterprising entrepreneurs. We don't pay to have are cars taken away to the junk yard, no we are payed when we take them to the junk yard. Junk yards are a multi-billion dollar industry. I will not pay for a disposal fee!
I would check out FreeBSD If you don't like jumping through all these hoops to install software, recompile kernel, etc. Or some other source based Linux distro like Debian or Gentoo.
"The aim of getting the same microchip is to ensure a new world order. But it will also mean that information contained in the British cards can be accessed across the Atlantic."
"graphite beats diamond only if the heat can be forced to conduct in a direction parallel to the crystal layers. The material with the greatest thermal conductivity is a superfluid form of liquid helium called helium II, which only exists at temperatures below 2.17 K"
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http://hypertextbook.com/physics/thermal/conducti
"Here's my suggestion: It's the kid's fault. If you choose to not pay attention in class, that's YOUR fault. No one else's."
What if (s)he's unable to pay attention do to mental and/or neurological reasons, is it then there fault that they have these problems? Rarely are things black and white in this world.
So what you are saying is that he's already "close minded" to anything other then SCSI? and that what he thinks is good for project may not be in the best interest, cost wise, for the project?
Being an excellent software developer does not automatically make them an excellent systems administrator, integrator, or engineer. They are two completely separate fields in the computer industry.
My gut is telling me there only doing this to negotiate a better contract with Microsoft. Why do I think this? Because I have an uncle that works in the Antitrust Division of the DOJ and when they where trying Microsoft back in 2001(ish?) they where doing a site-wide (all DOJ divisions and departments), roll out of Microsoft windows 2000. Why do I know that? Because when he came out here on his vacation he had to take mandatory training classes, Win2k admin / deployment boot camp type deal, and I asked him why he was taking them.
The connection between the Microsoft trial and the windows 2000 roll out is just speculation on my part though.
"When it comes to operating systems, Unix and Windows servers continued to grow. Unix server revenue was $5.2 billion in the fourth quarter of 2004 while the corresponding figure for Windows was $4.6 billion."
The keyword is "operating systems" and the numbers show Microsoft getting it's shit pushed in.
Windows Server 2003, Standard / Enterprose Edition: $1,100 / $3,999
Windows Server 2003, Datacenter 4way / 8way / 16way: $12,500 / $25,000 / $50,000
SuSE LINUX Enterprise Server, 2way / 8way / 16way: $349 / $579 / $899
RedHat Enterprise Linux ES, Basic / Standard: $349 / $799
RedHat Enterprise Linux AS, Standard / Premium: $1,499 / $2,499
Sun Solaris 10, 8way Basic / Standard / Premium: $120 / $240 / $360
SuSE, Redhat, or Solaris Media Only: $0.00
That's not what the numbers say, Linux and UNIX is gaining on windows 2:1....
*nix = $5,200,000,000 / $500 = 10,400,000
Win = $4,600,000,000 / $1000 = 4,600,000
Bad news for windows in the server martket.
This is stupid, it's apples vs. oranges. You cannot directly compare Firefox to Internet Explorer because Firefox is just a frontend to the Gecko engine, the same can be said for IE and the other browsers that hook into it's engine. For an apples to apples comparison you must compare the engine's they use! I cannot stress that enough as I'm in the middle of a battle with a website that purposely blocks all Gecko products except Netscape 6 and up.
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5 = http://www.websidestory.com/services-solutions/dat ainsights/spotlight.htmlr ticle.php/5911_151151
By my own accounts Gecko has an average market share of 17% and 900 million people actively use the Internet(6), you do the math.
1, 25.4% = (20.4% + 3.9% + 1.1%)
2, 6.8%
2, 23%
2, 8.9%
2, 6.6%
2, 34%
3, 18.37%
4, 22.8%
5, 8.16% = (5.69% + 2.47%)
1 = http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.
2 = http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm
3 = http://www.webreference.com/stats/browser.html
4 = http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/bstats/latest-week.html
6 = http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/geographics/a