They explicitely stated on IEBlog that IE7 would only install on Windows XP SP2 and above and Windows 2003 (SP1?) boxes.
It's related to, you know, like Windows 2000 going into extended support and not having ever benefited from the whole XPSP2 features thingies while it wasn't.
The ideal solution would be to just create two seperate binaries -- IE-Internet and IE-Local, and make damn sure that it's virtually impossible to break the sandbox in IE-Internet.
Fuck that, fully separate Internet Explorer as a web browser and Explorer as a local computer browser, they should never have been merged in the first place. No sandbox, just two completely different programs that don't share any damn blasted thing they could *not share*, and not a single hook from the web browser to the innards of the computer.
What percentage would you like it to hit before they do something?
Dunno, probably somewhere around the 0% mark, but it's probably just me that'd like his softwares to be thought/built with some form of security from ground up.
Uh oh, no, temperature is not necessarily the issue. You can have your CPU running at 3C and still be unstable (try extreme cooling mods)...
Fact is that every architecture has a maximum frequency limit, Netburst has a very high one (intel expected it to be much higher, but they got fucked up), A64 one has a much lower one. Proof is that OC world record is at 6.5GHz for Intel's and 4GHz for AMD's, and that's not with aircooling.
Every architecture has a maximum frequency, and AMD is already at it's limit for mass production. No core including Winchester was able to reliably break the 2.6GHz frequency on mass market (out of the box), and only Venice core and SOI now allow AMD to plan for a 2.8GHz clocked processor (once again out of the box, not talking about overclocking here but about stable, mass-market ready reliable frequencies).
Heat is not an issue for A64.
Nor is it for Dothan processors, actually.
If AMD could squeeze higher frequency out of their A64, they wouldn't even be considering Dual Core right now... AMD and Intel shifted to dual core because it's the only area of improvement save creating a completely new x86 architecture from scratch to replace the ones they currently have.
Well, yes I do (think D/C P4 was made in a hurry) and no I don't (think that they'll keep doing that kind of retarded shit).
But since I'm not actually 100% sure of that, I used conditional statements in my previous post, to show what I think without stating that it's an absolute truth (since it isn't).
Y'know, this better behave and not require a cooler assembly that could liquefy nitrogen. I want performance on my desk, not a space heater. So I'm a little leery of anything from Intel right at the moment.
Dothan is the latest Pentium M core, it's heat rating is somewhere around 25W...
Top of the line single core PIV are at 130W, and dual cores are above 150W...
Instead I'll probably see quad core single processors where each core hyperthreads at some absurd new level, confuses Windows altogether, makes Linux cry and and needs to have a case with a volume greater than one cubic yard to avoid melting it due to proximity to the heat pile.
Well confusing Windows is not a tough task, as soon as you start having more than a single processor/core it's more or less done.
Confusing an unix system, on the other hand, is a bit tougher...
And releases something like 150W of heat out of the box, and sucks anyway, and can't even evolve because netburst is a pile of steaming shit.
Sooo, your point? From TFA, Intel is finally planning to release the low power low frequency high efficiency Dothan core (mobile processor) on desktop configurations, and as a dual core, probably even as a true dual core (AMD style) instead of the current shitty one you see on P4, merely sticking two cores and saying "voila, dual core" while it's merely dual processor in a single package... (no, this isn't the same, at all)
All AMD has to do is shrink to 65 nm and start ramping clock speeds, and they are ensured great performance numbers.
They barely can, they'd have to change the architecture to get significant improvements of their top frequency, the A64 architecture is at it's limit currently, and can barely be upgraded from time to time...
This is the very reason why they're pumping more cores/processor
Apple emphasized that they believed Intel's processor roadmap to be more impressive than any alternative. Now, Intel's current chips use boat loads of power because they haven't entered into a silicon-on-insulator deal with IBM, who owns the patent. AMD uses silicon-on-insulator to get their power consumption numbers wayy down relative to Intel's numbers.
You've failed to notice that TFA was about dual cores dothans (aka last Pentium-M core) haven't you?
The power hungry shit processor is the regular Pentium using the Netburst architecture, high clock rates, low efficiency per cycle, fucking radiator, the dothan on the other hand is another story, much closer to AMD's approach: lower clock rates (and upper limit of the architecture) but better efficiency per cycle and MUCH LESS power hungry (while latest PIV crank out above 130W peak out of the box, dothan are rated under 27W)
Communication efficiency and information sharing between the two cores.
On AMD Dual Cores, there is a specific bus for communication between cores and with the memory module, while in Intel types they have to use the main bus.
So intel choice for Netburst dual core lowers the total efficiency (since the cores have to share with the rest of the system, situation akin to regular dual processors) while AMD dual cores have a special bus which is even faster than the regular main bus, lowering latency and increasing communication capacities between the cores, on top of making them compatible with regular mobos.
But one has to remember that the choice Intel made for Netburst's dual core was more than likely done in a hurry, to release DC faster than AMD.
They'll probably design a much more specific processor for their Dothan dual cores.
Grandparents point is that apple is going out of their way to appease a relatively small (even in opensource terms) group of people.
For god's sake, are you retarded? Did your parents repeatedly slam your head in a brick wall when you were younger?
The "relatively small group of people" you're talking about are the ones who created the base core of Safari's rendering engine (KHTML) for fuck's sake. And if you had at least checked what happened, you'd have seen that the K guys had indeed asked (privately, not in public channels) for limited access to Apple's Safari repository and bug tracker before...
It's not, it's pure crap and that's been said time and time again in the previous threads and by the KHTML devs.
Apple always did what they were supposed to do under the KHTML license...
What more or less happened:
Apple was doing what they were supposed to do, but not anything more
KHTML devs asked for some more, mainly access to Apple/Safari's internal repository and bug tracker in order to have a better understanding of webcore and ease the porting of the patches to the main KHTML trunk
There were no answers from Apple
KHTML devs dropped the issue and just decided to forget about it and keep working as they always had
Acid 2 is released, Dave Hyatt does a wonderful job on Safari and soon gets the first fully Acid2 compliant browser (dev version)
Everyone is overjoyed... and people start saying how wonderful apple is and how it'll benefit to KHTML core (I've been guilty of it, too)
Main KHTML dev blogs saying that there is no way for the K devs to easily patch the tree from Webcore patches, that there is no real communication/backfeed between KHTML and Safari teams, and that people who don't have a clue about how it works should shut the fuck up (note that what he was ranting about was people not having a clue, not the relationship between Apple and the K team)
The
lack or very small amount of this agreed return occurring
of GP is fucking nonsense and cluelessness, which is why his post isn't informative in any way
HTML isn't supposed to render exactly the same everywhere, but it is supposed to be readable everywhere. If it doesn't render readably on standards compliant browsers, that's the fault of the web page, not the browser.
HTML is supposed to be readable everywhere where it's correctly implemented
Internet Explorer doesn't fully implement HTML 4.01, nor does it implement XHTML 1.0 or 1.1 at all, nor does it even fully implement HTTP1.1 (another issue, but I may throw it in as well for some troll points)...
It's awfully easy to create fully standard compliant very well written pages that get completely fucked up in MSIE, without even trying and while getting perfectly readable pages in just about any other browser (including text ones).
Because MSIE is NOT a standard complant browser...
While there may not be a lot of countries doing it. There are some municipalities doing it. Think of them as test cases. As more and more see the benefits more and more will not believe the M$ fud.
Although I am european, what I have to say on that matter is: even though there are some OSS advances in EU, south america is neck and shoulders ahead in public administration's deployment of OSS solutions...
God dammit, check Peru who gave the Mighty Middle Finger to MS basically telling them to shut the fuck up open the specs and products sources and take it like the whinny bitches they are if they ever wanted Peruvian's taxpayer's money.
Step 1: check laptops
Step 2: look for AMD Turion64 powered laptops
Step 3: there is not step 3
Some of the top Acer laptops (Ferrari 3400, Aspire 5xxx and Travelmate 4400) are running on Turion64 already, as well as a pair of Asus, a Fujitsu, an HP,... you can find a list of the Turion64 notebooks on AMDBoard
Yes, do eradicate all those "oooh pretty" games from the PCs, move these gameplayless brainless games to consoles altogether along with their respective gamers and bring back fucking interresting games, such as good civ sims, RTS (how can the gaming industry need OSS to create a Total Annihilation sequel?), adventure games, RPGs (real RPGs, not that dumbed down console RPG shit you find in FF lookalikes, i'm talking about RPGs with stories and where you actually have some impact on things, Fallout or Arcanum types RPGs, "if you do that it's going to bite you back later" RPGs, not "here is the whole game's script, not like you need it since you can't even fucking stray from The Plan we laid down"), Myst-type puzzle games, those games full of easter eggs and obscure references and jokes to whatever the devs liked, full of everything stupid the devs can think of (Dammit give me back Carmageddon). In a nutshell, games that are fun to play, games that i'll WANT to play
Games that can be flawlessly run on crappy machines, because they don't have all the latest shaders v4846, don't want to run in 167845*12354, don't try to load 3Gb worth of textures.
use some fully compliant XSL/XML and tables or divs to create a stack of layers consisting of images that are wrapped in tags. you can even define table cell heights, padding and borders. i can almost guarantee you if you have more than 2 layers and certainly in a situation where you have differing image widths and more than 2 layers that there will be ENORMOUS gaps between the images that otherwise should be packed with 0px between them. IE by default renders the page as it should.
WTF? Last time i checked, normative documents didn't define any default style for HTML elements, at best guidelines (UAs may render X as Y) and never about margins/paddings
The thing about online communities/blogs/forums etc. is the bigger and more popular it is the more idiots it will attract. The more idiots it attracts the more the blogs/communities will lower themselves to serve the idiots standards.
But the reason/. is supposed to have editors is to remove those fucking dupes/POS stories from the waiting line and only allow... you know... news... for nerds...
Nowadays it's more like Slashvertisements for nerds, dupes that matters, though
It should also be noted that specific simulations and calculus can take much more than 3 hours. If you need 3 hours to reconfigure your computer but the calculation is 50% faster than on a general purpose supercomputer, you may still save days.
Not only that, but you won't recompile every time you launch a simulation, since you'll change the datas but not the algorithms themselves when the simulation code is finalized.
"Tension instability is what kills your electronics and fails your hardware." If that were true, then turning on your machine would be the worst thing in the world to do.
And it is, switching electronics on puts a lot of strain on them, ask any capable electronician.
Keeping a box booted is actually much less stressful for it than turning it on/off, especially if you do so often (2 or 3 times a day)
It's actually not fully external for a laptop, part is out and part is in
That way heat isn't dissipated inside the computer case.
Well, initially the PSUs were supposed to use their fans to dissipate heat from the CPU (that's how ATX form factor specs it).
Current systems, however, dish a lot of heat which means that they can't and PSUs actually worsen the problem by heating the case (even though they now have up to 2 fans to extract heat from the case and the PSU), but that's one of the problems BTX tries to address, as well as the latest Antec case, P180, which separates PSU+drives from the other parts of the system (MB, CPU,...)
I'm not being naive, but somebody is if they think they are going to replace their adequately functioning power supply and somehow get a performance boost
Uh oh, no, no one ever said they got a perf boost from switching PSU. switching PSU can net you stability and durability boosts though, to both the PSU itself (for durability) and the other components of the case (for both factors).
Precision electronics such as what you find in your computer don't like out of specs tensions (ever seen the 3.3V line dishing out above 4V? it's quite ugly), like even more variating tensions (12V dropping from 12.1 to 11.1V when going from idle to load? give me more please), user's bank account doesn't like low efficiency (best PSUs are above 75%, worst are more around 40%. This means that when your computer needs 200W the former will draw 266W while the later will draw 500W from the grid...), and the user himself likes low noise (which means slowly rotating fans or no fans at all, and high efficiency to lower the dissipated heat).
You may believe electronics is about "works" or "doesn't work", but it's sadly not, and good PSUs (in this case) are important for the global quality of the system and components, and even more important if you push your system to it's limits (overclocking it, or using higly loaded system such as dual processor, SLI graphics, multiple drives,...)
But seriously, folks. Getting DC sufficient for digital is really not that difficult.
merely sufficient is not enough for computer hardware, you need power, you need to be within the voltage specs for at least 5 different voltages (+12, +5, +3.3, -3.3 and -5) and you need a fucking stability of these tensions whatever the load is, because tension instability is what kills your electronics and fails your hardware.
It's not about "pretty blue power supplies", it's about stable and precise tensions (with 2 decimals precision) be it idle or in load, it's about high efficiency (because drawing 1kW from the grid to get 200W in your computer is not fun and quite expensive, best PSUs reach 80% efficiency), it's about low heat and on top of that it's about protecting the innards of the computer from the grid's variations of tension
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They explicitely stated on IEBlog that IE7 would only install on Windows XP SP2 and above and Windows 2003 (SP1?) boxes.
It's related to, you know, like Windows 2000 going into extended support and not having ever benefited from the whole XPSP2 features thingies while it wasn't.
Unless you run Windows 2000 and don't have the right to install IE7 in the first place, that is
Uh oh, no, temperature is not necessarily the issue. You can have your CPU running at 3C and still be unstable (try extreme cooling mods)...
Fact is that every architecture has a maximum frequency limit, Netburst has a very high one (intel expected it to be much higher, but they got fucked up), A64 one has a much lower one. Proof is that OC world record is at 6.5GHz for Intel's and 4GHz for AMD's, and that's not with aircooling.
Every architecture has a maximum frequency, and AMD is already at it's limit for mass production. No core including Winchester was able to reliably break the 2.6GHz frequency on mass market (out of the box), and only Venice core and SOI now allow AMD to plan for a 2.8GHz clocked processor (once again out of the box, not talking about overclocking here but about stable, mass-market ready reliable frequencies).
Heat is not an issue for A64.
Nor is it for Dothan processors, actually.
If AMD could squeeze higher frequency out of their A64, they wouldn't even be considering Dual Core right now... AMD and Intel shifted to dual core because it's the only area of improvement save creating a completely new x86 architecture from scratch to replace the ones they currently have.
Well, yes I do (think D/C P4 was made in a hurry) and no I don't (think that they'll keep doing that kind of retarded shit).
But since I'm not actually 100% sure of that, I used conditional statements in my previous post, to show what I think without stating that it's an absolute truth (since it isn't).
Top of the line single core PIV are at 130W, and dual cores are above 150W... Well confusing Windows is not a tough task, as soon as you start having more than a single processor/core it's more or less done.
Confusing an unix system, on the other hand, is a bit tougher...
And releases something like 150W of heat out of the box, and sucks anyway, and can't even evolve because netburst is a pile of steaming shit.
Sooo, your point? From TFA, Intel is finally planning to release the low power low frequency high efficiency Dothan core (mobile processor) on desktop configurations, and as a dual core, probably even as a true dual core (AMD style) instead of the current shitty one you see on P4, merely sticking two cores and saying "voila, dual core" while it's merely dual processor in a single package... (no, this isn't the same, at all)
Just get a fucking 8 dual-core opteron system... That's 16 cores running for your very pleasure, with up to 64GB of RAM total...
This is the very reason why they're pumping more cores/processor
The power hungry shit processor is the regular Pentium using the Netburst architecture, high clock rates, low efficiency per cycle, fucking radiator, the dothan on the other hand is another story, much closer to AMD's approach: lower clock rates (and upper limit of the architecture) but better efficiency per cycle and MUCH LESS power hungry (while latest PIV crank out above 130W peak out of the box, dothan are rated under 27W)
Communication efficiency and information sharing between the two cores.
On AMD Dual Cores, there is a specific bus for communication between cores and with the memory module, while in Intel types they have to use the main bus.
So intel choice for Netburst dual core lowers the total efficiency (since the cores have to share with the rest of the system, situation akin to regular dual processors) while AMD dual cores have a special bus which is even faster than the regular main bus, lowering latency and increasing communication capacities between the cores, on top of making them compatible with regular mobos.
But one has to remember that the choice Intel made for Netburst's dual core was more than likely done in a hurry, to release DC faster than AMD.
They'll probably design a much more specific processor for their Dothan dual cores.
The "relatively small group of people" you're talking about are the ones who created the base core of Safari's rendering engine (KHTML) for fuck's sake. And if you had at least checked what happened, you'd have seen that the K guys had indeed asked (privately, not in public channels) for limited access to Apple's Safari repository and bug tracker before...
Apple always did what they were supposed to do under the KHTML license...
What more or less happened:
- Apple was doing what they were supposed to do, but not anything more
- KHTML devs asked for some more, mainly access to Apple/Safari's internal repository and bug tracker in order to have a better understanding of webcore and ease the porting of the patches to the main KHTML trunk
- There were no answers from Apple
- KHTML devs dropped the issue and just decided to forget about it and keep working as they always had
- Acid 2 is released, Dave Hyatt does a wonderful job on Safari and soon gets the first fully Acid2 compliant browser (dev version)
- Everyone is overjoyed... and people start saying how wonderful apple is and how it'll benefit to KHTML core (I've been guilty of it, too)
- Main KHTML dev blogs saying that there is no way for the K devs to easily patch the tree from Webcore patches, that there is no real communication/backfeed between KHTML and Safari teams, and that people who don't have a clue about how it works should shut the fuck up (note that what he was ranting about was people not having a clue, not the relationship between Apple and the K team)
The of GP is fucking nonsense and cluelessness, which is why his post isn't informative in any wayInternet Explorer doesn't fully implement HTML 4.01, nor does it implement XHTML 1.0 or 1.1 at all, nor does it even fully implement HTTP1.1 (another issue, but I may throw it in as well for some troll points)...
It's awfully easy to create fully standard compliant very well written pages that get completely fucked up in MSIE, without even trying and while getting perfectly readable pages in just about any other browser (including text ones).
Because MSIE is NOT a standard complant browser...
God dammit, check Peru who gave the Mighty Middle Finger to MS basically telling them to shut the fuck up open the specs and products sources and take it like the whinny bitches they are if they ever wanted Peruvian's taxpayer's money.
Step 1: check laptops
Step 2: look for AMD Turion64 powered laptops
Step 3: there is not step 3
Some of the top Acer laptops (Ferrari 3400, Aspire 5xxx and Travelmate 4400) are running on Turion64 already, as well as a pair of Asus, a Fujitsu, an HP,
Yes, do eradicate all those "oooh pretty" games from the PCs, move these gameplayless brainless games to consoles altogether along with their respective gamers and bring back fucking interresting games, such as good civ sims, RTS (how can the gaming industry need OSS to create a Total Annihilation sequel?), adventure games, RPGs (real RPGs, not that dumbed down console RPG shit you find in FF lookalikes, i'm talking about RPGs with stories and where you actually have some impact on things, Fallout or Arcanum types RPGs, "if you do that it's going to bite you back later" RPGs, not "here is the whole game's script, not like you need it since you can't even fucking stray from The Plan we laid down"), Myst-type puzzle games, those games full of easter eggs and obscure references and jokes to whatever the devs liked, full of everything stupid the devs can think of (Dammit give me back Carmageddon). In a nutshell, games that are fun to play, games that i'll WANT to play
Games that can be flawlessly run on crappy machines, because they don't have all the latest shaders v4846, don't want to run in 167845*12354, don't try to load 3Gb worth of textures.
Nowadays it's more like Slashvertisements for nerds, dupes that matters, though
It should also be noted that specific simulations and calculus can take much more than 3 hours. If you need 3 hours to reconfigure your computer but the calculation is 50% faster than on a general purpose supercomputer, you may still save days.
Not only that, but you won't recompile every time you launch a simulation, since you'll change the datas but not the algorithms themselves when the simulation code is finalized.
Precision electronics such as what you find in your computer don't like out of specs tensions (ever seen the 3.3V line dishing out above 4V? it's quite ugly), like even more variating tensions (12V dropping from 12.1 to 11.1V when going from idle to load? give me more please), user's bank account doesn't like low efficiency (best PSUs are above 75%, worst are more around 40%. This means that when your computer needs 200W the former will draw 266W while the later will draw 500W from the grid...), and the user himself likes low noise (which means slowly rotating fans or no fans at all, and high efficiency to lower the dissipated heat).
You may believe electronics is about "works" or "doesn't work", but it's sadly not, and good PSUs (in this case) are important for the global quality of the system and components, and even more important if you push your system to it's limits (overclocking it, or using higly loaded system such as dual processor, SLI graphics, multiple drives,
It's not about "pretty blue power supplies", it's about stable and precise tensions (with 2 decimals precision) be it idle or in load, it's about high efficiency (because drawing 1kW from the grid to get 200W in your computer is not fun and quite expensive, best PSUs reach 80% efficiency), it's about low heat and on top of that it's about protecting the innards of the computer from the grid's variations of tension