When I was in college in the early 1990's, students had the choice of two instructors for the Intro to Psychology course: the instructor who taught it straight up or the instructor who screamed bullshit all the time. I took the instructor who taught it straight up and enjoyed the class. I had a friend who took the other class and she hated it because of the bullshit that the instructor pulled all the time.
Without families or children, what are all these gig millenials going to do when they get to be 60-70 years old?
What are most adults going to do when they get into their 80-100 years old? Most people are going to outlive their retirement funds by 30 to 40 years longer than their parents or grandparents.
When my father retired at 59-1/2, he expected a short retirement since all his older brothers kicked the bucket at 60. He lived until he was 75. Fortunately, he had a pension and Social Security benefits. I'm planning to retire at 77 and live until I'm 120. If I die sooner than, my heirs will have an inheritance.
What actually happened is that in the old days you had 6 kids and maybe 1 would stay with the parents because they had no options available to them (homely looking woman, semi-autistic, homosexual, etc...) but the other 5 did not.
My maternal grandmother had ten kids. The first one she 16 and the last one when she was 50. Whenever someone turned 18, they got booted out of the house. No more than five people ever lived at the house at any time. She died at 83 with the youngest daughter, her husband and their children living with her. According to her obituary, she had 81 kids, grandkids, great-grandkids and great-great-grandkids. And that's not even the Mormon side of the family!
I go out hourly at 3x my previous full-time salary hourly rate (roughly $300/hr).
That's consulting work. What I do is virtual ditch digging work that no one else wants to do.
I mean, certainly the supermarket needs boxes unpacked full-time, but by breaking it up into "gigs" they can pay someone a small hourly rate to unpack milk for four hours without benefits.
I've done plenty of four-hour jobs as a PC disconnect/reconnect technician for a moving company. The client being moved is obligated to pay a minimum of four hours. It takes an hour to disconnect the PCs, two hours for the movers to move stuff, and another hour to reconnect the PCs. While the movers are moving stuff, the PC techs are waiting around and doing nothing.
At literally no point in US history was this the norm.
You're wrong. Multigenerational homes were quite common until the 1950's.
In the old days, the old-age assistance problem was not so great so long as most people lived
on farms, had big families, and at least some of the children stayed on the farm. It was
customary when the old people got too old to do their share of the work they would stay on
the farm and the sons or daughters would keep them there in the home. That pattern changed
slowly but continuously from the early part of the century as more and more of the young, rural population left the farms. The three generation household (aged parents, children, and grandchildren), perfectly common 50 years ago, had begun to become very rare indeed.
By the time people got old, the children had already left and gone to the city. There was no
one to take care of them. Hence, an increase in the problem of the needy aged.
And now they all have government jobs sucking off the teat of the taxpayer?
Are you referring to the fact that I went back to community college to learn computer programming on a $3,000 tax credit that George W. signed into law after 9/11 to assist people in changing their careers and pay more taxes from earning more money in a new job?
Or the fact that I got a government IT job that required 20+ years of technical experience to secure the network from users... uh... hackers?
Or are you in fact being a dick because I have a successful career?
Those of us with real jobs paying actual salaries with real benefits stand to lose because of your shortsightedness.
I've had some IT support contracts (gigs?) that paid better than what the full-time employees made. After I ran into a former coworker at a job interview, I turned down the job offer because my hourly rate was 80% greater than his for doing the same job. Those 2% raises over nine years don't add up to much.
I've seen this before in the video game industry. High school graduates pissing their pants to test (not play) video games and get paid for it. Eager beavers willing to work 80 hours a week for months on end. Flash forward years later, they're no longer in the video game industry and realize that all they have accumulated is a bunch of cheap tech toys. Sad.
Could be part of the reason why Atari no longer develop in Australia.
Not quite. The CEO of Infogrames borrowed $200M to go on a merger and acquisition spree, buying up Accolade (where I worked) and Hasbro Interactive (which owned the Atari intellectual property), and later renamed Infogrames to Atari. The grand plan was to turn Atari into a multimedia empire and relocate headquarters to the US. Since Vivendi Universal was trying to do that first, the French government nipped that in the bud. That's also when the dot com bust happened. All those studio were sold for pennies on the dollar, including the studio that had developers in Australia.
I really would like to visit your house. After I eat a lot of fiber, maybe some bran muffins or flax seeds. That way I can take a great big SHIT and put a very large, moist turd in your microwave. You will just LOVE what happens when it's in there on high for about ten minutes!
You need to have a better diet. Healthy shit has the consistency of toothpaste.
It makes for an interesting conversation piece.
I had a roommate who left a squash inside a toaster oven on low heat overnight. The squash was carbonized all the way through. Charred on the outside, charred on the inside. Now that was a conversation piece.
News flash. Nothing in the deepest ocean trenches has any effect on the human food chain.
Except that man-made pollution are highly prevalent among fishes throughout the world. You better make sure that your next fish filet you have for dinner is farm-raised and not caught in the wild.
I replaced my 12-year-old 26" CRT TV with a 48" 4K HDTV that I got from Costco for $350 this past holiday season. I'm waiting for my apartment complex to have its semi-annual recycle weekend to drop off the CRT. According to the flyer, the recycler accept mainframes. I have yet to seen anyone turn in a mainframe.
You are a post-middle aged desktop tech making 30k less than average for where you live.
Based on the various job titles I have, I'm actually a computer engineer doing system admin tasks at a desktop technician pay rate. When I requested a cost of living adjustment, I got a lot of hemming and hawing. But, hey, that's government IT for you.
You complain about this often while lauding yourself with grandeur like reading a textbook at 36 seconds per page while an average A student takes 5 minutes [...]
When I was in the eighth grade, I had a college level reading comprehension. By the time I turned 18-years-old, I had personal library of 800 books. If I can read ten novels a month (note that the average Americans reads five books or less per year), reading 100 pages per hour isn't out of the question.
[...] never mind calling HTML a programming language [...]
HTML was a requirement for a programming degree. You can't learn web programming without knowing HTML, CSS and XML.
not being able to handle spelling "meet" correct two times in a row
I'm not perfect. If I was, I would be Jewish.
Lies and more lies to cope with your failure to thrive in life.
You're jealous because I have a life. You might want to try it someday. It's more satisfying than tearing down successful people on the Internet.
Anyone who denigrates you for missing the "high school experience" is a selfish idiot.
I had trouble getting entry level, minimum wage jobs because I didn't have a high school diploma and an associate degree didn't count. Once I got established in my technical career, no one cared about my lack of high school diploma.
As a lead video game tester for Accloade/Infogrames/Atari (same company, different owners, multiple personality disorders), I was responsible for a Nintendo GameBoy Advanced title. I was in California, the producer was on the East Coast, the developer's management team was in London, and the developer's programmers were in Australia. I didn't like this arrangement because I was answering British emails at 6AM, East Coast emails during the day, and Australian emails at 12AM. This around the clock development cycle drove me nuts for four months until the game shipped.
Back in the late 1990's, I had a roommate who owned a red Toyota Corolla. After we did some Christmas shopping at a busy mall, we were confused as to where the car got parked. My roommate found a red Toyota Corolla, unlocked the doors with his key, we got in and he started the engine. We immediately knew that something was off. For example, the interior was too clean. My roommate checked the registration to discover that we were in someone else's car. We got out, locked up the car and found his car a few rows over. I read somewhere that car manufacturers make a dozen unique car keys for any particular model, making it possible for any car owner to drive off in someone else's car by accident or on purpose.
Now I'm faced with choosing how to raise my own children: home school or high school?
I'm not sure what the right answer is for you. What I've seen in my own experience is that kids want to learn but that desire to learn is often snuffed out by the school system. Society has too many adults who stopped learning once they get out of school and then get stucked in life because they can't learn their way into a better situation. The desire to learn as a kid and keep learning as an adult must always be paramount.
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When I was in college in the early 1990's, students had the choice of two instructors for the Intro to Psychology course: the instructor who taught it straight up or the instructor who screamed bullshit all the time. I took the instructor who taught it straight up and enjoyed the class. I had a friend who took the other class and she hated it because of the bullshit that the instructor pulled all the time.
Without families or children, what are all these gig millenials going to do when they get to be 60-70 years old?
What are most adults going to do when they get into their 80-100 years old? Most people are going to outlive their retirement funds by 30 to 40 years longer than their parents or grandparents.
When my father retired at 59-1/2, he expected a short retirement since all his older brothers kicked the bucket at 60. He lived until he was 75. Fortunately, he had a pension and Social Security benefits. I'm planning to retire at 77 and live until I'm 120. If I die sooner than, my heirs will have an inheritance.
What actually happened is that in the old days you had 6 kids and maybe 1 would stay with the parents because they had no options available to them (homely looking woman, semi-autistic, homosexual, etc...) but the other 5 did not.
My maternal grandmother had ten kids. The first one she 16 and the last one when she was 50. Whenever someone turned 18, they got booted out of the house. No more than five people ever lived at the house at any time. She died at 83 with the youngest daughter, her husband and their children living with her. According to her obituary, she had 81 kids, grandkids, great-grandkids and great-great-grandkids. And that's not even the Mormon side of the family!
I go out hourly at 3x my previous full-time salary hourly rate (roughly $300/hr).
That's consulting work. What I do is virtual ditch digging work that no one else wants to do.
I mean, certainly the supermarket needs boxes unpacked full-time, but by breaking it up into "gigs" they can pay someone a small hourly rate to unpack milk for four hours without benefits.
I've done plenty of four-hour jobs as a PC disconnect/reconnect technician for a moving company. The client being moved is obligated to pay a minimum of four hours. It takes an hour to disconnect the PCs, two hours for the movers to move stuff, and another hour to reconnect the PCs. While the movers are moving stuff, the PC techs are waiting around and doing nothing.
babysitting the president would be a nice gig. enjoy the amex black centurion card that goes with that.
That responsibility belongs the 4,000+ political appointees that Trump has yet to make to fill out his administration.
At literally no point in US history was this the norm.
You're wrong. Multigenerational homes were quite common until the 1950's.
In the old days, the old-age assistance problem was not so great so long as most people lived on farms, had big families, and at least some of the children stayed on the farm. It was customary when the old people got too old to do their share of the work they would stay on the farm and the sons or daughters would keep them there in the home. That pattern changed slowly but continuously from the early part of the century as more and more of the young, rural population left the farms. The three generation household (aged parents, children, and grandchildren), perfectly common 50 years ago, had begun to become very rare indeed. By the time people got old, the children had already left and gone to the city. There was no one to take care of them. Hence, an increase in the problem of the needy aged.
http://users.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/multigenerational.pdf
Yep. Exactly. Gotta love government IT workers!
I love my government IT job. After years of working for Fortune 500 IT teams, I'm finally working with the best pros in the industry. ;)
Once upon a time in America, multi-generations — grandparents, mom and dad, kids and baby daddy — living under one roof was considered the norm.
And now they all have government jobs sucking off the teat of the taxpayer?
Are you referring to the fact that I went back to community college to learn computer programming on a $3,000 tax credit that George W. signed into law after 9/11 to assist people in changing their careers and pay more taxes from earning more money in a new job?
Or the fact that I got a government IT job that required 20+ years of technical experience to secure the network from users... uh... hackers?
Or are you in fact being a dick because I have a successful career?
Those of us with real jobs paying actual salaries with real benefits stand to lose because of your shortsightedness.
I've had some IT support contracts (gigs?) that paid better than what the full-time employees made. After I ran into a former coworker at a job interview, I turned down the job offer because my hourly rate was 80% greater than his for doing the same job. Those 2% raises over nine years don't add up to much.
I've seen this before in the video game industry. High school graduates pissing their pants to test (not play) video games and get paid for it. Eager beavers willing to work 80 hours a week for months on end. Flash forward years later, they're no longer in the video game industry and realize that all they have accumulated is a bunch of cheap tech toys. Sad.
Could be part of the reason why Atari no longer develop in Australia.
Not quite. The CEO of Infogrames borrowed $200M to go on a merger and acquisition spree, buying up Accolade (where I worked) and Hasbro Interactive (which owned the Atari intellectual property), and later renamed Infogrames to Atari. The grand plan was to turn Atari into a multimedia empire and relocate headquarters to the US. Since Vivendi Universal was trying to do that first, the French government nipped that in the bud. That's also when the dot com bust happened. All those studio were sold for pennies on the dollar, including the studio that had developers in Australia.
May I introduce you to the Bristol Stool Chart [wikipedia.org]. "Normal" is within the range of 3-4.
I drop a Type 4 every morning. ;)
I really would like to visit your house. After I eat a lot of fiber, maybe some bran muffins or flax seeds. That way I can take a great big SHIT and put a very large, moist turd in your microwave. You will just LOVE what happens when it's in there on high for about ten minutes!
You need to have a better diet. Healthy shit has the consistency of toothpaste.
It makes for an interesting conversation piece.
I had a roommate who left a squash inside a toaster oven on low heat overnight. The squash was carbonized all the way through. Charred on the outside, charred on the inside. Now that was a conversation piece.
Whenever a user calls up to ask why his computer rebooted after I install an update, I say... drumroll, please... gamma radiation.
News flash. Nothing in the deepest ocean trenches has any effect on the human food chain.
Except that man-made pollution are highly prevalent among fishes throughout the world. You better make sure that your next fish filet you have for dinner is farm-raised and not caught in the wild.
I replaced my 12-year-old 26" CRT TV with a 48" 4K HDTV that I got from Costco for $350 this past holiday season. I'm waiting for my apartment complex to have its semi-annual recycle weekend to drop off the CRT. According to the flyer, the recycler accept mainframes. I have yet to seen anyone turn in a mainframe.
The ocean is huge and no one will ever know
Never mind that man-made pollution has reached the deepest trenches in the ocean.
http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2017/02/long-lasting-chemicals-have-reached-deepest-trenches-oceans
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/
Okay enough with the self-serving lies.
Donald Trump is not relevant to this discussion.
You are a post-middle aged desktop tech making 30k less than average for where you live.
Based on the various job titles I have, I'm actually a computer engineer doing system admin tasks at a desktop technician pay rate. When I requested a cost of living adjustment, I got a lot of hemming and hawing. But, hey, that's government IT for you.
You complain about this often while lauding yourself with grandeur like reading a textbook at 36 seconds per page while an average A student takes 5 minutes [...]
When I was in the eighth grade, I had a college level reading comprehension. By the time I turned 18-years-old, I had personal library of 800 books. If I can read ten novels a month (note that the average Americans reads five books or less per year), reading 100 pages per hour isn't out of the question.
[...] never mind calling HTML a programming language [...]
HTML was a requirement for a programming degree. You can't learn web programming without knowing HTML, CSS and XML.
not being able to handle spelling "meet" correct two times in a row
I'm not perfect. If I was, I would be Jewish.
Lies and more lies to cope with your failure to thrive in life.
You're jealous because I have a life. You might want to try it someday. It's more satisfying than tearing down successful people on the Internet.
Anyone who denigrates you for missing the "high school experience" is a selfish idiot.
I had trouble getting entry level, minimum wage jobs because I didn't have a high school diploma and an associate degree didn't count. Once I got established in my technical career, no one cared about my lack of high school diploma.
As a lead video game tester for Accloade/Infogrames/Atari (same company, different owners, multiple personality disorders), I was responsible for a Nintendo GameBoy Advanced title. I was in California, the producer was on the East Coast, the developer's management team was in London, and the developer's programmers were in Australia. I didn't like this arrangement because I was answering British emails at 6AM, East Coast emails during the day, and Australian emails at 12AM. This around the clock development cycle drove me nuts for four months until the game shipped.
Back in the late 1990's, I had a roommate who owned a red Toyota Corolla. After we did some Christmas shopping at a busy mall, we were confused as to where the car got parked. My roommate found a red Toyota Corolla, unlocked the doors with his key, we got in and he started the engine. We immediately knew that something was off. For example, the interior was too clean. My roommate checked the registration to discover that we were in someone else's car. We got out, locked up the car and found his car a few rows over. I read somewhere that car manufacturers make a dozen unique car keys for any particular model, making it possible for any car owner to drive off in someone else's car by accident or on purpose.
Now I'm faced with choosing how to raise my own children: home school or high school?
I'm not sure what the right answer is for you. What I've seen in my own experience is that kids want to learn but that desire to learn is often snuffed out by the school system. Society has too many adults who stopped learning once they get out of school and then get stucked in life because they can't learn their way into a better situation. The desire to learn as a kid and keep learning as an adult must always be paramount.
User Friendly was my favorite back in the day, before it went into a permanent loop.
http://userfriendly.org/