Re:it is VERY trollish
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Go away and do some real H/A, then come back and flame me.
FYI, 5 nines equates to about five minutes downtime per year - as you'd know if you actually had anything to do with this field - and no, you don't get anything near that on an Sun E-series box. You see, with real highly available systems, you don't find yourself on the phone to the field service droids - the first you know that something's gone wrong is when the FSE turns up with the parts he needs - and he's here because the system's summoned him. As an instance of this, I know of one Tandem installation that's been running non-stop since 1997 - that's five and a half years continuous uptime? How do I know? 'Cos I built systems that ran against it. And [large Wall Street bank] has a Parallel Sysplex which they built in 1993 which, I've been told by its keepers, hasn't stopped since: sure, bits of it have gone down and come back again, but the image is permanently available.
Now go back to pushing that mop, which would appear to be how you "have access to a large number of fortune 500 companies". And heaven save me from "5U|\| R0X0Rs" fan-bois.
Re:it is VERY trollish
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Bollocks. If you really don't like downtime, you don't buy a bunch of crappy Unix boxes, you get HPaq to sell you a Tandem, or get IBM to sell you a SysPlex of 390s (or z-Series as they now are).
See, once you put real F/T hardware in place, you can easily do <10 minutes downtime per system image per year. Sheesh, kids today...
200 miles? More like about half that. I climb in the Wye valley (just on the other side of the Severn from Bristol) reasonably frequently and I can get from the bottom of the M4 in Chiswick to the Severn Bridge in about an hour on a Sunday morning (traffic willing, and at 9am on Sundays it's not normally too bad). Admittedly, that's by ignoring any speed limits...
Well yes, you would because (if you weren't aware of this) the train operating companies (Connex, Virgin, Stagecoach etc) don't actually own any rolling stock: instead they lease it from one of the roscos (Eversholt Leasing, Angel Train Contracts or a third one whose name I've forgotten - Porterbrook?). The roscos will (in theory) happily bear the cost for you because if you don't get your franchise renewed and so don't need the trains, the mob (and I use the word advisedly) who replace you will need them.
What does piss the roscos off is the inability of Railtrack (the original infrastructure company) and then Network Rail (who replaced Railtrack once it became painfully obvious that the latter couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery and existed solely as a device for shoveling tax-payers money to shareholders) to upgrade the infrastructure such that the new trains which the TOCs have ordered and the roscos have built can actually run... at the moment, the power supplies aren't pokey enough to allow all the new trains to run. Now, Railtrack had only known about it since 1995 or so, so you couldn't possibly expect them to have done anything: they were, after all, too busy doing nothing about the West Coast Main Line upgrade, the London - SW electrification etc.
And you're still missing the AC's point: can you, say, write a Java class which inherits from a Jython class and which is in turn instantiated by a controller written in (say) ADA? That's what.NET allows: any type which complies to the common type system can be used from any CTS-consuming language. As an example, types defined in any of C#, VB.NET, F#, MC++, Perl.NET and Eiffel.NET (these being the languages I've used) can be treated as first-class types by any of the above languages, so I can, say, write:
class myCSharpType : myEiffelBaseClass { ... }
and then later on:
int main(int argc, char **argv) { MyCSharpType *myType = new MyCSharpType; ... delete myType; return 0; }
My understanding is that I can't do this with Java bytecode.
After all, both Java and C# are proprietary languages owned by large corporations and granted to the big wide world on sufferance (tho' it looks like Java's currently being taken over by an even larger corporation at the moment). Python and C++, OTOH, belong to Guido and the ANSI/ISO committee respectively, and to their user communities.
Re:It's nice
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Here's what's so great - consider:
printf("%9d%23s%6.2f", int, str, float);
which will, as you'd expect, print out an integer, a string and a number. Now, what happens when I type (by mistake) this:
printf("%9d%23s%6.2f", str, int, float);
The compiler's quite happy with it, isn't it. So, how about:
printf("%9d%23s%6.2f", float);
Again, the compiler's quite happy with it. So, that should be lesson #1: the compiler can't help you with printf() format strings. Instead you're on your own - better make sure you got them right. It becomes even more fun when the format string's being constructed elsewhere and then passed to you - better make sure that you and the guy who's coding the format string builder are singing from the same hymn sheet, 'cos otherwise it'll get messy.
Secondly, what's the format specifier for a complex number?
Because you've overloaded operator << appropriately for your custom types, your types can behave the same way as the native C++ ones - this was, and is, one of BS's drivers for the C++ type system. printf() gives none of these guarantees, and imposes a whole heap of extra work on you - plus it's got this artificial model where emitting output to a file is different from emitting it to a buffer is different to emitting it to screen (yes, I know that the last one's not entirely true, but you get the idea). Then you get a second set of printf() functions to handle wide characters, such as you'd find in Unicode, or the MBCS encodings.
Oh, and why are you using nine lines of couts - you can chain streams (operator << should always return a reference to a stream) so you get, instead of your example above:
Take-home message: wake up in class and start thinking the C++ way - it's not C, and it's not Java either. It's a completely different language - it just so happens that most C programs are valid C++ programs too, and you can use C++ as a Better C, but you're missing out on all the fun...
RH 8.0 has a screen config that allows you to change resolutions. I also remember reading that on-the-fly resolution changing was just introduced into X
Well, sort-of. At least in the current DeadRat, it's less on-the-fly mode changing as the average Windows/MacOS user would know it, more "write additional modelines, kill the server and restart it". This, as any fule no, is the Windows resolution changing model, as of 1995 or so. Hmm...
When in a hole, it's generally recommended that one stop digging.
So, your starter question for ten on The English Language: in grammar, is the word "their" referring to the first, second or third person? And, as a bonus question, does any group or organisation use the word "their" to refer to themselves?
And would it have been too much effort to click on the link before posting?
And that well-known hotbed of socialist thinking, the OECD?
Face it, pal: the reason that 'the UN has pretty much been in a "The US is evil and sucks" mode for the last few years' - together with the rest of the world, is probably because the US is evil and it does suck. Or do you think that the other 207 nations are wrong, because America Is Always Right?
Note that this is not to be taken as a personal insult. I have a lot of American friends - hell, I work for a company which is based in the States - but they are largely as despairing as I am of the handbasket in which the American polity is riding the rest of the nation to hell. You too may be a reasonable and rational individual, in which case the fact that the US is one deeply fucked-up country has probably occurred to you too...
And congratulations on the fact that you've found a job which enables you to work reasonable hours: you (I'm sure) are perfectly aware that this leaves you well ahead of most of the American population - and behind the European populace.
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Jon
In truth, you're the one on crack: one of the principle reasons for the Great IBM Slump of the early 90s was the fact that (interchangeable blue-suited CEO who preceded Lou G) decided that a good way to boost revenues was to sell mainframes to the customer rather than leasing them. Result? Several good quarters, as mainframe sales came straight through on the bottom line, followed by a number of spectacularly quarters, as one of IBM's principal revenue streams ground to a halt, and ending up with the biggest quarterly loss ever recorded. So yes, there are a lot of decade-old MVS systems which are owned outright.
Jet Set Radio... Better. Than. VirtuaTennis. Honest.
Oh, and Rez, of course, if you can find it, Sega Bass Fishing (especially if you can find a rod on eBay) and Samba de Amigo (ditto, but s/rod/maracas).
Oh, and ChuChu Rocket, VF3tb, Space Channel 5, Soul Caliber, Bangai-O and Capcom vs. SNK (if you're a hardcore 2D beat-em-up fan) or Marvel vs. Capcom (if you're not)
You keep believing that, and get back to your keyboard... be happy that you've got your guaranteed 60 hrs/week with two whole weeks of holiday a year.
Do you really think that an entire economic area approximately 50% bigger than the US in both population and gross product is going to "collapse"? If so, how do you explain Japan, which has, according to macro-economists, been bumping along the bottom for more years than I can remember and yet is still avoiding armed insurrection, coups-de-etat and people eating rats in the street:-)
And while there's a limit to how much you can tax a person, it's not a hard-and-fast amount: it appears that the average Swede, with his or her 60-odd percent taxation and cradle to grave welfare system is far happier (according to the UN and the OECD at least) that the average American with his or her 30-odd percent taxation, two jobs and no vacation and the knowledge that one slip and he or she's off society's tight-rope, possibly for good.
Starve to death? Or eat the shit sandwich. Fucking great choice... Woohoo America, you can rest easy in your bed 'cos tonight, Manuel gets the shit sandwich and gets to live to work tomorrow, sewing more XXXL Eezy-fit Comfy-ass Jeans.
Of course, if Dole hadn't appropriated all the fertile farming land in Manuel's country to grow flavourless bananas then Manuel could be a peasant small-holder with, just possibly, a hope of bettering himself into the middle classes but hey, that's the price of progress. So sleep well, America. Sleep soundly in your beds, 'cos tonight, Manuel's being fed a real tasty shit sandwich.
A-bloody-men - I once spent a (somewhat-less-than-thrilling) six months putting bags of crisps ("potato chips" to our American brethren) into boxes: it was cheaper to pay someone fuck-all an hour to put 48 bags of crisps into a box and then tape it up and send it down the incline to the pallet stackers than to buy a machine to do it. The added bonus was that you got to spend 8.5 hours/day in a crisp factory: imagine an atmosphere saturated by an aerosol of rancid lard and you won't be far wrong. And all for the princely sum of £2.72/hr (at the time, approx. $4.50/hr - this was in 1990).
To get back on topic, it's jobs like this where you really appreciate being in a union and working in a unionised workplace. A trivial example: the company provided locker-room showers, so you didn't have to get the bus home smelling like a two-month-stale side of bacon. Would they have done this without the union's intervention? Almost certainly not - after all, they (the KP Food Group) didn't benefit from it. More seriously, one of the side-effects of workplace unionisation (in the UK) was the Health and Safety At Work Acts. The result was that for those of us working in the crispy, there were health and safety regulations (people and hot fat is a mix which has far too much potential to go wrong) to avoid people losing excessive amounts of flesh in industrial accidents. A friend of mine used to work in a meat plant - any place where you're paid piece rates and given chainsaws, you better hope the union's gone in there and made sure that there are minimum safety standards and the shop stewards are keeping an eye open to ensure those standards are maintained.
... although we are signatories to the ECHR (as enshrined in the Human Rights Act), which means there may be grounds for challenge (under, I think, article 10 of the EHCR). Plus the British judiciary has, on occasions, shown itself to be worthwhile. Here's hoping.
The good news is that Conrad Black longer owns it and has left the country forever. For that, Canadians can truly be grateful.
Sadly, we got the fucker instead - can't you take him back... please...
At least, unlike the Dirty Digger, he pays taxes over here.
At the risk of responding to an obvious troll (three exclamation points?), if you really were a CompSci major and (as you claimed downthread) working for the DoD/NSA, I'd hope you'd read ISO/IEC 14882-1998 before sounding off.
If you had read it, you'd know that iostream.h has been deprecated by the Standard and, further, this has been the case since the mid 90s, when the Standard Library was being finalised: as documented in the D&E, this was to ensure that compiler vendors' (probably non-standard) implementations didn't clash with the Standard one.
Since it's painfully obvious that you haven't read it and are, in fact, merely shooting your mouth off, we can also safely assume that the bit about your being a CompSci major and working for the DoD/NSA. Admit it: you're 25, single and live with your parents (although you did kiss a girl once).
To use your preferred demotic: yUO R TEH 5UXX0R!!!
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FYI, 5 nines equates to about five minutes downtime per year - as you'd know if you actually had anything to do with this field - and no, you don't get anything near that on an Sun E-series box. You see, with real highly available systems, you don't find yourself on the phone to the field service droids - the first you know that something's gone wrong is when the FSE turns up with the parts he needs - and he's here because the system's summoned him. As an instance of this, I know of one Tandem installation that's been running non-stop since 1997 - that's five and a half years continuous uptime? How do I know? 'Cos I built systems that ran against it. And [large Wall Street bank] has a Parallel Sysplex which they built in 1993 which, I've been told by its keepers, hasn't stopped since: sure, bits of it have gone down and come back again, but the image is permanently available.
Now go back to pushing that mop, which would appear to be how you "have access to a large number of fortune 500 companies". And heaven save me from "5U|\| R0X0Rs" fan-bois.
See, once you put real F/T hardware in place, you can easily do <10 minutes downtime per system image per year. Sheesh, kids today...
200 miles? More like about half that. I climb in the Wye valley (just on the other side of the Severn from Bristol) reasonably frequently and I can get from the bottom of the M4 in Chiswick to the Severn Bridge in about an hour on a Sunday morning (traffic willing, and at 9am on Sundays it's not normally too bad). Admittedly, that's by ignoring any speed limits...
What does piss the roscos off is the inability of Railtrack (the original infrastructure company) and then Network Rail (who replaced Railtrack once it became painfully obvious that the latter couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery and existed solely as a device for shoveling tax-payers money to shareholders) to upgrade the infrastructure such that the new trains which the TOCs have ordered and the roscos have built can actually run... at the moment, the power supplies aren't pokey enough to allow all the new trains to run. Now, Railtrack had only known about it since 1995 or so, so you couldn't possibly expect them to have done anything: they were, after all, too busy doing nothing about the West Coast Main Line upgrade, the London - SW electrification etc.
Real Men write their own OSes anyway.
Ten? Lightweight Southern jessie. I bet you drink lager too
After all, both Java and C# are proprietary languages owned by large corporations and granted to the big wide world on sufferance (tho' it looks like Java's currently being taken over by an even larger corporation at the moment). Python and C++, OTOH, belong to Guido and the ANSI/ISO committee respectively, and to their user communities.
which will, as you'd expect, print out an integer, a string and a number. Now, what happens when I type (by mistake) this:
The compiler's quite happy with it, isn't it. So, how about:
Again, the compiler's quite happy with it. So, that should be lesson #1: the compiler can't help you with printf() format strings. Instead you're on your own - better make sure you got them right. It becomes even more fun when the format string's being constructed elsewhere and then passed to you - better make sure that you and the guy who's coding the format string builder are singing from the same hymn sheet, 'cos otherwise it'll get messy.
Secondly, what's the format specifier for a complex number?
Not very pretty, is it? How about a matrix?
Because you've overloaded operator << appropriately for your custom types, your types can behave the same way as the native C++ ones - this was, and is, one of BS's drivers for the C++ type system. printf() gives none of these guarantees, and imposes a whole heap of extra work on you - plus it's got this artificial model where emitting output to a file is different from emitting it to a buffer is different to emitting it to screen (yes, I know that the last one's not entirely true, but you get the idea). Then you get a second set of printf() functions to handle wide characters, such as you'd find in Unicode, or the MBCS encodings.
Oh, and why are you using nine lines of couts - you can chain streams (operator << should always return a reference to a stream) so you get, instead of your example above:
or even:
Take-home message: wake up in class and start thinking the C++ way - it's not C, and it's not Java either. It's a completely different language - it just so happens that most C programs are valid C++ programs too, and you can use C++ as a Better C, but you're missing out on all the fun...
So where's cubase.jar?
Well, sort-of. At least in the current DeadRat, it's less on-the-fly mode changing as the average Windows/MacOS user would know it, more "write additional modelines, kill the server and restart it". This, as any fule no, is the Windows resolution changing model, as of 1995 or so. Hmm...
Oh well, maybe XF86 5 will fix it...
Dunno about CASE tools, but for SCC most of the product groups use a rebadged/re-written version of Perforce.
So, your starter question for ten on The English Language: in grammar, is the word "their" referring to the first, second or third person? And, as a bonus question, does any group or organisation use the word "their" to refer to themselves?
And would it have been too much effort to click on the link before posting?
So "For more information about SourceOffSite visit their corporate Web site." wasn't a dead giveaway then.
Idiot - try reading that page. SourceOffSite is a product of the SourceGear Corporation, and not of Microsoft.
Face it, pal: the reason that 'the UN has pretty much been in a "The US is evil and sucks" mode for the last few years' - together with the rest of the world, is probably because the US is evil and it does suck. Or do you think that the other 207 nations are wrong, because America Is Always Right?
Note that this is not to be taken as a personal insult. I have a lot of American friends - hell, I work for a company which is based in the States - but they are largely as despairing as I am of the handbasket in which the American polity is riding the rest of the nation to hell. You too may be a reasonable and rational individual, in which case the fact that the US is one deeply fucked-up country has probably occurred to you too...
And congratulations on the fact that you've found a job which enables you to work reasonable hours: you (I'm sure) are perfectly aware that this leaves you well ahead of most of the American population - and behind the European populace. -- Jon
In truth, you're the one on crack: one of the principle reasons for the Great IBM Slump of the early 90s was the fact that (interchangeable blue-suited CEO who preceded Lou G) decided that a good way to boost revenues was to sell mainframes to the customer rather than leasing them. Result? Several good quarters, as mainframe sales came straight through on the bottom line, followed by a number of spectacularly quarters, as one of IBM's principal revenue streams ground to a halt, and ending up with the biggest quarterly loss ever recorded. So yes, there are a lot of decade-old MVS systems which are owned outright.
Oh, and Rez, of course, if you can find it, Sega Bass Fishing (especially if you can find a rod on eBay) and Samba de Amigo (ditto, but s/rod/maracas).
Oh, and ChuChu Rocket, VF3tb, Space Channel 5, Soul Caliber, Bangai-O and Capcom vs. SNK (if you're a hardcore 2D beat-em-up fan) or Marvel vs. Capcom (if you're not)
Because no hard-working, skilled worker was ever laid off or off-shored ever. Oh, no...
Do you really think that an entire economic area approximately 50% bigger than the US in both population and gross product is going to "collapse"? If so, how do you explain Japan, which has, according to macro-economists, been bumping along the bottom for more years than I can remember and yet is still avoiding armed insurrection, coups-de-etat and people eating rats in the street :-)
And while there's a limit to how much you can tax a person, it's not a hard-and-fast amount: it appears that the average Swede, with his or her 60-odd percent taxation and cradle to grave welfare system is far happier (according to the UN and the OECD at least) that the average American with his or her 30-odd percent taxation, two jobs and no vacation and the knowledge that one slip and he or she's off society's tight-rope, possibly for good.
Of course, if Dole hadn't appropriated all the fertile farming land in Manuel's country to grow flavourless bananas then Manuel could be a peasant small-holder with, just possibly, a hope of bettering himself into the middle classes but hey, that's the price of progress. So sleep well, America. Sleep soundly in your beds, 'cos tonight, Manuel's being fed a real tasty shit sandwich.
To get back on topic, it's jobs like this where you really appreciate being in a union and working in a unionised workplace. A trivial example: the company provided locker-room showers, so you didn't have to get the bus home smelling like a two-month-stale side of bacon. Would they have done this without the union's intervention? Almost certainly not - after all, they (the KP Food Group) didn't benefit from it. More seriously, one of the side-effects of workplace unionisation (in the UK) was the Health and Safety At Work Acts. The result was that for those of us working in the crispy, there were health and safety regulations (people and hot fat is a mix which has far too much potential to go wrong) to avoid people losing excessive amounts of flesh in industrial accidents. A friend of mine used to work in a meat plant - any place where you're paid piece rates and given chainsaws, you better hope the union's gone in there and made sure that there are minimum safety standards and the shop stewards are keeping an eye open to ensure those standards are maintained.
... although we are signatories to the ECHR (as enshrined in the Human Rights Act), which means there may be grounds for challenge (under, I think, article 10 of the EHCR). Plus the British judiciary has, on occasions, shown itself to be worthwhile. Here's hoping.
At least, unlike the Dirty Digger, he pays taxes over here.
At the risk of responding to an obvious troll (three exclamation points?), if you really were a CompSci major and (as you claimed downthread) working for the DoD/NSA, I'd hope you'd read ISO/IEC 14882-1998 before sounding off.
If you had read it, you'd know that iostream.h has been deprecated by the Standard and, further, this has been the case since the mid 90s, when the Standard Library was being finalised: as documented in the D&E, this was to ensure that compiler vendors' (probably non-standard) implementations didn't clash with the Standard one.
Since it's painfully obvious that you haven't read it and are, in fact, merely shooting your mouth off, we can also safely assume that the bit about your being a CompSci major and working for the DoD/NSA. Admit it: you're 25, single and live with your parents (although you did kiss a girl once).
To use your preferred demotic: yUO R TEH 5UXX0R!!!