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Retailers Swing DMCA To Stop "Black Friday" Sale Info
zoid.com writes "It looks like a few of the big retailers have sent out DMCA notices to a few of the consumer deal sites. So now they are claiming that sale prices are covered under the DMCA. I would like to know what part of the DMCA states that you can not share the price of merchandise. Also, why would they want to stop this free advertising?"
why the DMCA is WAY TOO broad in its scope. And another reason lawyers need to educated themselves on technology.
It seems that prices are copyrighted. It's just a matter of time before someone like Walmart sues anyone whose prices end in .99.
This has been a test. Had this been a real emergency, we would have fled in terror and you would not have been informed.
"I would like to know what part of the DMCA states that you can not share the price of merchandise. "
Sorry , I would show you but that would volatile the DMCA....
Cruise TT
I am really confused as to how this is a copyright violation. Clearly, this is just another example of the DMCA being a stupid law that is out of control.
We have been given DMCA notices regarding the posting of "Black Friday" sale prices from the following companies: Wal*Mart Target Best Buy Staples While we believe that sale prices are facts and can not be copyrighted, We have made the business decision to comply with the dmca notifications. Our reasoning for this is very simple - Our mission is to serve consumers - If we were to choose to fight this battle, It would require more resources than are available - and we would no longer be able to serve consumers. I fully expect this story to be making news sites as early as today. Part of the DMCA Safe Harbor provisions state that in order to qualify for safe harbor protection, we must have no knowledge of the infringing activity. If we become aware of the removed content being reposted on our site, We have no choice but to remove the content, or forfeit our safe harbor provision. I respectfully ask your cooperation on this matter. On a further note - We have been, and will be in further contact with the EFF, as well as ChillingEffects.org.
I am glad to see they are going to get the EFF involved. Hopefully they will be able to knock some sense into these corporations.
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I can understand FatWallet not wanting to fight this, but I sure wish somebody would. Until there is enough momentum from the accused, we won't see any real progress on seeing the DMCA changed or overthrown.
Some men spend their entire lives trying to kill themselves for having been born. --Ross MacDonald
Could someone fill me in on what this is all about...I am not sure what's meant by "Black Friday" sale info?
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
is that Fat Wallet is complying with the demands.
"Upon attaching the waterblock to my penis, I began to notice that I know nothing about computers." -- JRockway
I would comment, but that would be breaking the DMCA! ;)
Also, why would they want to stop this free advertising?
Why? Because their prices are not competitive of course. In that case it's not advertisement on such a site.
For those that don't know...
"For those who aren't thoroughly familiar with the "Black Friday" phenomenon (the name of the Friday after Thanksgiving, so called because many retailers operate in the red until the holiday shopping season, which starts that Friday, kicks them into the black)"
This was of course stolen from some random search on google.
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Sorry , I would show you but that would volatile the DMCA....
Hey, I'm all for it!
I forget what 8 was for.
They don't want to give anybody ELSE control of prices, distribution, or even discounts.
Talk about Control Freaks!
So many Freaks, so few "sharzeez"...
For all the non-US folks here (or at least those of them who are ignorant of this fact), Black Friday is the shopping day after the American Thanksgiving holiday. Biggest shopping day of the year for retailers.
Tuus crepidae innexilis sunt.
But then again, you have to realize that the first newspapers in this country were nothing more than prices of goods and services each day - they were called "price currents".
With that in mind, it's clearly not copyrightable.
I'm a 2000 man.
Are they doing this to prevent massive sales of loss-leaders? Is that what FatWallet does...find all the loss-leaders?
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If the prices were published, then I have trouble seeing how it could constitute a violation
What do you know I wrote a novel
Whenever I check out the price comparison sites, I won't bother looking into a vendor that isn't listed or won't let itself be listed. Most people have a general idea of how much the item they are looking for will cost anyway. Based on that, you can usually find a great price from multiple people, so why bother looking up the prices of the few who won't be listed? It seems that they may lose sales from people like me who won't spend the extra time it would take to look them up individually.
As for how the DMCA relates to this, it's obviously just a way for the companies to make an excuse for delisting their prices. They think that not having the prices public will help them stay out of price wars or other competitive practices, but it's not like this would stop secret shoppers or anything.
I am sorry but with all of this recent new found blind patriotism in this country it makes it really difficult for me to understand how exactly we have "freedom" anymore... which countries do not recognize the DMCA again? Anyone want to sponsor a refugee seeking political asylum?
"Never argue with an idiot, they'll just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!" --Unknown
where's the SEC in all this?
i'd like to copyright the price of my stock.
It's called "fair use" and journalists use it all the time. If you say something in public, I can quote you as saying it. You can quote me. If you have a corporate name, I can use it in my publication to identify you. If you have a logo, the same. If you say the sky is red and someone else says it's yellow and a third says it's blue, I can quote and identify them all. These companies, of course, aren't interested in "fair use." They are interested in making it as hard as possible for consumers to compair prices. Too bad they don't have a leg to stand on.
I love the "deals of the day section" where they advertise a 256 meg stick of PC 2100 for $99! What a deal! Pricewatch has them for under 60 shipped. Gratned that's generic, kingston is available for $67, but this company should be sued for offering crappy deals, not DMCA violations.
Three cheers for the retailers involved in this legal action. This is exactly the kind of absurd example we need to get that crappy old DMCA repealed once and for all.
Seriously, anyone else as jazzed about this as I am?
[PowerPoint] is a tool for capitalist presentation
I must be missing something here - how can prices be copyrighted? If BestBuy can claim a copyright to the price $199.99, and some other business advertises some other item for sale at the same price, that the BestBuy copyright has been violated?
By re-printing information that is freely available to anyone who walks into a Wal-Mart, these folks are committing some sort of offense?
Prices charged to the public at large are not trade secrets, nor are they be covered by copyright.
This is absurd.
*** Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?
Black Friday is the Friday after Thanksgiving in the U.S. It's seen as the beginning of the Christmas Shopping season. The retailers see it as their best retail day of the year.
I tend to stay away from Malls and shooping centers on that day. Those places are like zoos.
Sean D.
"Hmm. I am to metaphor cheese as metaphor cheese is to transitive verb crackers!"
As many people in many different forums have said before, we need somebody to stand up to the DMCA.
This particular fight could easily be won. Prices simply are not copyrighted.
Hell, these companies are probably just bluffing anyways. If anyone is has any copies of the material in question, please email it to me at jb@deadinternet.org. I'll host it.
I am loving this! Proof positive, absolute incontradictable evidence of that famous old saw "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". How much longer until they claim that it's illegal for us to possess ears and eyes? Are we to be eventually be legislated into buying movies we cannot view, and music we cannot hear? Will I be required by law to buy these things which I am forbidden to experience?
Keep screwing over your customers, and soon maybe you won't be having any.
We have been given DMCA notices regarding the posting of "Black Friday" sale prices from the following companies:
:)
Wal*Mart
Target
Best Buy
Staples
SCRRAATCH!! off the shopping list. Looks like everyone is getting a thinkgeek tshirt for Xmas this year.
Grandma would look pretty cool look with </geek> on the back
few laws were passed with as much support on both sides as the DCMA. not to troll or anything but how the hell do /. people thing they are gonna get this repealed.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Because the prices are encrypted, see...
$2.99 at Wally-world is actually
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America:
The land of the lawyers,
The home of the DMCA
We should change the land of opportunity to read: "We'll see you in court".
At a particularly low period in my life, employment wise, I had to to market survey research. A lot of this consisted of going into stores and counting products and recording advertising info for different products. I also would have to go into stores like K-Mart and fill in reports about what items they stocked that fell under certain categories. This including counting the items on the shelves, marking the variations (for example, 12,24, & 36 exposure rolls of the same film), and, of course, recording prices.
K-Mart was not too thrilled with the situation, especially about the prices being recorded. Although I don't remember the name of the case now, there had just recently been a case where a manager of a competing store had gone into K-Mart and recorded a number of their prices on his own list. K-Mart evicted him from the site and he sued. The court ruled for him, saying K-Mart, as a retail store, was inviting the public into their store. They could not invite some people and not others. They may not like what he was doing, but he had the same right of access as any customer who might be comparing prices.
It seems the same would apply here -- they are publishing the prices for public consumption and comparison. That means for ALL the public. It doesn't seem right that they can say some people can print the prices out and share with friends or compare with other sites and othe people can't.
Maybe a little off-topic...
I go to those sites and they are great for saving money, and they totally hooked me up for last year's Black Friday Sale.
I went in and bought the items a few days before. Then, I went back to the store during the Big Sale, and said "Gee, it looks like all my stuff is now on sale, can I get a price adjustment?" Either way, I'm in the store (I actually make an extra trip).
Is getting up at 4:00 in the morning to wait in line that much better than buying it a day before? A lot of times the sale items are in limited quantities, so they are gone after a handful of people enter the store.
those damn pirates^H^H^H^H^H^H^H paying customers. They're STEALING! Nothing could be more clear or simple. Our MSRP is explicitly covered in the DMCA, under Section 115b, Subsection 26777, Paragraph 12, Sentance 17.5; where it states, and I quote "Thou Shalt Worship No Idols Other than Me". And of course, clearly again in Section 666, "You want the truth? You can't handle the Truth"
We don't come free, we don't even come cheap
What is "Black Friday???" Slashdot needs to require some basic level of documentaion to every story, the story and the site reference give no details so this story is a waste to almost all of /. readers. DCMA sucks but thats hardly news at this point.
the DMCA isn't this broad of a law. Large corporations are using the dmca as an excuse.
... sue them for anti-competitive practice! Simply not advertising a sale price isn't anti-competative, but to be sending out noticies that you can't advertise prices it!
I use cnet price comparison as well as pricewatch.com very often.. any store not wanting another site publishing their prices clearly isn't competitive to begin with.. I say it's their loss.
What is the difference between this and price fixing?
taggat
We regret to inform you, that on the course of our investigations we noticed that you were using the number "49.95" on your website. As you well now by now, this is also the price of the new exciting action game, "School Shooting 2". Our sales prices are our intellectual property and thus protected by the DMCA. We request that you remove all references to our sale price from your website and send a reply stating that you have done so. You may however, change the number to 49.96, as we have nothing for sale at that price. You may not use the number 49.94 however, as that is the new sale price for the game "Sweatshop Tycoon". We look forward to your compliance, and don't think about posting this letter to the web, as it's copyrighted and protected under the DMCA as well.
Locked DVD Talk Black Friday Thread
In this case Target was the company that sent the DMCA notice and the thread was shut down im ediately.
So how does this relate to the DMCA specifically? It sounds more like a trade secrets issue to me.
If the retailers dont want their advertised prices posted, then why shoud we as the consumer go out and buy their products? I say they can keep their stuff, even though the price may be tempting.
I just started looking at fatwallet yesterday from a link posted by someone on a slashdot discussion. Are the "BlackFriday" lists supposed to be kept quiet within the stores and someone leaked them out? Or are they publicly announced in circulars?
$cat
Does this mean if I tell a friend on AIM about about a good deal on hard drives I can go to jail?
then what can't they copyright? They are basically claiming that thye haven't copyrighted what they wrote, but have the copyright to fundamental facts.
Does this mean Reuters could sue every news station that says "Reuters has reported that..."?
Can a movie producer sue a critic who gave away the ending?
Obviously this is yet another example of big businesses using their weight to crush those in the right with lawsuits they can't afford to fight (called a SLAPP - Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation).
Good thing we have so many republicans in office now who want to take away even more consumer rights including the right to sue big businesses.
Is it me or is anyone else noticing how we, the country and society I mean, are regressing into a aristocracy where the top 1-2% of society is making rules for the rest of us? I think I should start learning russian. The Gov'ment wants us to spy on each other, want cameras everywhere, want to know my spending habits and locations. Isn't this is what the Soviet communists had/wanted, complete authority.
Da, commrad, ya Sovietsky!
P.S. What's with the USA wanting to get rid of a dictator in Iraq, but are growing one right here in the country!
P.S.S. I think they are watching me right now, with the DCMA, Patriot Act, and Security Bill in their back pocket, they can take me down any moment!
Probably the copyright claim is bogus itself, but it is common practice for the big corporations to use the threat of legal action to make small fries do what they want, even if they know they would lose. And that isn't a DMCA issue either -- that's a problem with the way capitalism leverages the legal system.
I'm not sticking up for the DMCA, but this case is really, ultimately, about something else.
Who the fuck cares about DMCA. Its a huge wank party worth about as much discussion time as a doorknob.
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I don't think that sale prices fall under the DMCA.
I don't see how a price can even be copyrighted.
Furthermore, if retailers don't want their sale prices going public, why do they make huge newspaper inserts?
Obviously, sites that post this information making it "too easy" for consumers to find the cheapest prices. Stores probably count on consumers to be too lazy to find the cheapest price, and this makes it easier to do just that.
However, this is all publicly available information. Anyone with a couple hours on their hands (which many people have on Thanksgiving Day) can go through all the ads and find the cheapest prices in their area.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
Im scared of those ninjaburgr people.
All Troll + "offtopic" mods are meta moderated as "Unfair", because you abused the system.
The use DMCA against pricing should be fought tooth and nail, since it is bullshit!
"Hi, Ron Lieber from the Wall St Journal here I'm working on a story about the use of the DMCA to crack down on consumers swapping Black Friday sales data on web sites. If anyone would like to air their feelings on the subject, please call me at 212-416-4974 or send me an email with your phone number and I'll call you. Thanks, Ron"
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Here are some great deals, straight off their web sites!
walmart.com:
LEGO Harry Potter: Chamber of Secrets - $69.77
target.com:
Audiovox Personal CD Players - $23.99-$27.99
staples.com:
HP OfficeJet 4-in-1 Machine -$149.98
bestbuy.com:
Sony Mavica MVC-CD400 Digital Camera - $649.99
...security related? I mean, I don't want to sound like I'm pro-DMCA, I'm not. But couldn't companies use the DMCA to control their information so there won't be dangerously large crowds that will show up on the busiest shopping day of the year? If the masses get too hyped about what is coming out, then riots may be a result. They might not want to release any information until the last minute and cause uncontrollable masses to drive up profit. If this was their intent, it would be better, if instead of using the DMCA, they were to cooperate with each other and public forums to release information, strategically plot and coordinate sales over a longer period of time, and discourage mass/riotous consumer behavior. Then again, sometimes I think that human decency cuts into their bottom-line.
I know it sounds a bit unbelievable, but considering I worked at McDonald's (I seem to work for all the unpopular zaibatsus, heh) during the huge Beanie Baby frenzy and saw little old ladies get knocked over, nothing surprises me when it comes to consumer greed.
Zech Harvey, MCSE, MCDBA, CCNA
Till that day happens, of course, it will continue to suck.
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Why the hell does Slashdot even have filters? They annoy me (short comments often submitted in under 20 seconds), and I often post more than twice in two minutes, and I've even hit the 50/day limit once.
And yet it lets stuff like this through.
May we never see th
"If enough jammers turn their disaffection into resistance for just one day, November 29 could mark the delivery of a landmark social message."
If the site were serving scanned images of advertizing flyers, they might be in violation of copyright law, but if they're just reporting pricing facts, how can it be a violation?
The advertising copy from some flyer containing a blurb-type phrase might be copyrightable, but the fact that some store at some address is selling some item for some price is not copyrightable.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
I see that they don't want their SUPER SALE OF THE MILLENIUM prices to leak so not to give informationin advance to their competitors.....
as if they didn;t know!
OH BOY
While I am glad to see it on news sites, I am sad that they gave in so easily.
What we really need is a HUGE public trial where someone like this stands up against these huge companies. If people keep giving in the "average" people will have no idea how crazy this law is.
I have learned that bullies back down most of the time when they see someone has the courage to stand up and say "No you are not going to tell me what to do" I think these companies would back down also after their lawyers told them that if this goes to court they are not going to win and look really bad to the public.
How do these sites GET their news? I figured that the companies themselves 'leaked' a lot of this information..
Individual things here and there are typically reported by the individual.. but where do they get the BIG news from companies like Dell, or Best Buy?
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
Evil computers manned by even more evil hackers (who else use computers to inform?) are somehow involved. One of the most idiotic laws ever written, style and contentwise, is also involved. And then you have big corporations with hundreds of lawyers ready to file frivolous suits against the said evil hackers using the said idiotic law until they are bankrupt to the fourth generation.
So, as you see, it a completely different situation. If we dig deeper we may even find some threat to national security here.
Despite all of the anti-DMCA Slashdot stories to date, not until now did I understand just how broad and dangerous the DMCA really is. How in the hell am I supposed to know how much to save up for the Zelda GameCube release now?!?!
I'm at the point where I buy CDs once a year. Every album that I want, and can still remember the name of, I buy on Black Friday. The past 3 years, Best Buy or Circuit City has had a sale where CDs are 9.99 USD each (last year it was limit 10). So, between that and the retailers' price matching policies, I was wondering who would be earning my money this year.
I'm not interested in starting an RIAA debate. They're bad, they're evil, and that's part of why my wife no longer buys 50-70 CDs a year. Neither of us is in a position for a total boycott, thanks.
However, I would like to open the debate for the first person who can ridicule my measley Google skills with the "intuitively obvious" search string that finds the remaining Black Friday sale descriptions. Thanks for your participation :)
From the article...
"Hi, Ron Lieber from the Wall St Journal here
I'm working on a story about the use of the DMCA to crack down on consumers swapping Black Friday sales data on web sites. If anyone would like to air their feelings on the subject, please call me at 212-416-4974 or send me an email with your phone number and I'll call you.
Thanks, Ron"
From the link:
While we believe that sale prices are facts and can not be copyrighted, We have made the business decision to comply with the dmca notifications.
Our reasoning for this is very simple - Our mission is to serve consumers - If we were to choose to fight this battle, It would require more resources than are available - and we would no longer be able to serve consumers.
This speaks more to the flaws in the legal system itself than it does to the DMCA. The legal system has esentially become a means of controling people with significantly less money than you. Time and time again, we hear some variant of "we believe we are right, but we don't have the resources to prove it."
The system no longer provides equal protection to all; "justice," as it were, can be purchased. Witness PanIP's attempts to bully web merchants, or the OJ Simpson case.
The DMCA is bad; nearly all of us believe so. In the end, however, it is simply one item from the overly-expensive toolchest that is the american legal system. The average American can afford a hammer, but the mega-companies all have power tools. The legal system is designed to see who has the better legal case, but the sad fact is that many cases never actually get to that point; the entry level is simply to high. Joe Blow running his web site from his basement may have the best legal argument in the world for why he should be allowed to print the sale prices of items, but he cannot afford the cadre of lawyers to ensure that that aregument gets heard. Joe Blow might be right, but that doesn't matter; the company that opposes him can simply drag out the legal preceedings long enough to bankrupt him.
Ideally, when something like this happens, the defendant would be able to go before a judge and say "All I'm doing is reporting the facts," and the judge would say "case dismissed." Instead, they go before the judge and say "All I'm doing is reporting the facts," and the claiment says "that's not what my stable of lawyers say..."
The really depressing thing is that, even though I can see the system is broken, I really have no idea what to do about it. The system needs to be reformed, but I'm not entierly sure where to start.
Thomas Galvin
"A method for posting prices which mislead consumers emotionally and thus increasing sales while adhering to all legal requirements."
What the hell "technical measure protect content" did these guys "circumvent" in order to run afoul of the DMCA ... opening Wal-Mart.com with a web browser is legally the equivalent of opening a newspaper to page 6A ... and republishing prices is legally the same as gossip!
... THIS (if it wound up in court) is the definition of a frivolous lawsuit.
Sounds to me like somebody needs to tell these retailers to piss uphill and then, if they get sued, move for sanctions against the retailers' lawyers.
Damn-fool insurance lackies wail and moan about "frivolous personal injury lawsuits"
utter rubbish
Just because you don't have a clue doesn't mean *everyone* is SOL. Try any search engine, or maybe reading the comments here.
FatWallet is declining to fight the this due to the cost even as our system stands now and therefore allowing this abuse to stand. Imagine if "loser pays" or damage caps come into use. It would further discourage parties from sticking up for their rights due to punitive costs and cash outlays that could sink a business even if in the right.
Adbusters sponsors Buy Nothing Day on Black Friday. They raise money to buy ad space on a major cable channel to promote it. I think it is a small step towards curbing maddened consumerism, but it will take much, much more.
...This is the kind of resulting nonsense you can expect--laws, laws, and more laws--a virtual feeding frenzy for lawyers. And of course the private citizen and his freedoms are relegated to the bottom of the stack.
So thank you SUN, and thank you Netscape, for spending all of thise millions of $$ lobbying on Capitol Hill to convince the government how evil Microsoft is (all so that you could maybe get a leg up competitively.) As an offshoot of all of this everything we know as "digital" will slowly but surely fall under the government's domain, and there will be plenty of laws and plenty of work for lawyers from here on out. And the rights of consumers and citizens will be trampled. The irony is it's all done "for the public good", isn't it?
I think it's time for a new american revolution. With all the crappy new laws stripping our rights away, this is just one more reason. The DMCA is bad, m'kayyy?
I knew you could boy's and girl's.
Maybe it's just me, but doesn't this seem like an effort among the big chains to keep their prices quiet so they can discuss them amongst themselves to maximize profits?
Black Friday is a field day for stores... they essentially thrive on making people make rush purchases - this is why so many sales end at noon or early afternoon. The trick is, while everybody is slashing prices - sometimes to below cost, make your store the priority store to go to... now when you give people maybe one or two days to figure out all the deals, they're less likely to systematically plan and take advantage of the best deals, after all - the best deals aren't why they want you at their store - they want you to make periheral purchases, which are worse deals - ones which make them profit. However, if you can plan your shopping much in advance knowing all the prices, you are more likely to buy the cheapest stuff from store A, the cheapest stuff from store B, etc, without bothering to even look around very much at the other deals, since you already know all the prices.
It isn't that these stores aren't competetively priced, as some have suggested, it's simply that the competetive pricing is only a lure - giving all the prices for hot items makes that lure nearly worthless.
Yet another reason why the DMCA is WAY TOO broad in its scope.
I took a picture of my penis with my digital camera in order to stop people from talking about it. Turns out the blighter is so big even the DMCA doesn't cover it.
wouldn't the release of these 'secret' prices beforehand, thus resulting in competitors finding a way to sell cheaper that you, not fall under DMCA laws but something more onlong the line of industrial sabbotage? (or something like that, I wouldn't know for sure).
Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes
The retailers *created* Black Friday! Duh. They want you to brave the crowds.
You know, this is the second time that I've been modded down for responding to a post that was either offtopic or analyzing the Slashdot moderation system. If you don't like the original post by the troll, that's fine. Don't mod legitimate posts down, though.
/me in a huff
My comments were both relevant and useful to the Slashdot community.
May we never see th
Then, go after the politicians...
t_t_b
I'm on PJ's "enemies" list! Are you?
Actually, this sort of thing has more impact in the elective political arena than in the courtroom (where it might get dismissed as irrelevant to other DMCA cases). I'd love to see one of the clueful minority on the Hill cite this example and force a testilying Hollyweird lobbyist to defend it.
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
Lets see, free advertising.....or no positive publicity.......free advertising....or my competitors knowing my prices.....oh wait, they can figure that out from a flyer on Sunday morning. For petes sake retailers, are you pissed because other people carry the same products at lower prices than you and you don't want to honor your "we'll beat any of our competitors price's" kind of mottos? Makes me not want to patronize your stores.
Memories become legend, Legend fades to myth, and even myth is forgotten by the time that age comes again.-Robert Jordan
Let them request the prices not be displayed...we can join the do not shop campaign: http://adbusters.org/campaigns/bnd/
What we've mostly failed to note here is the emphasis that these sales announcements are, at present, trade secrets for retailers. An early announcement of their intended sales price allows their competitors to undercut them. The information here is stolen or obtained with less than honest intentions. What fatwallet misses out on mentioning is that this information is held as secret by the retailer and for good reason. I would sympathize if they were just releasing current flyers, but this information is the retail equivalent of insider trading. I support the EFF, and I disagree with the DMCA , but I can't support the free release of information that serves to damage retailers.
I would like to make a suggestion that is somewhat radical, but I will make it anyway. After all, if you can't say something radical on /., where can you say it?
For the past four or five years, a group called Adbusters has sponsored an anti-consumption event, called Buy Nothing Day. It takes place on Black Friday. I will be one of the participants who leaves my wallet in my pocket for the day, and by so doing, avoids the consumer orgy. For more information, go to Adbusters' page on Buy Nothing Day.
Of course, I will also be putting Staples, Wal*Mart, Target and BestBuy on my shitlist and spending my money elsewhere for a period of time that I haven't yet determined (suggestions? I was thinking 6 mos maybe) unless they reverse their stance before Monday, and letting them all know why. I think you (yes, you who are reading this right now) should join me in this.
www.wavefront-av.com
Next thing you know, it will require an NDA to make a purchase.
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Danny
"What's the point of going abroad, if you're just another tourist..."
Maybe it's because the price they claim is just to get you to their site, but that price tag is false?
It's NOT about copyright. The problem apparently is that FatWallet is publishing unpublished price data for sales. As such, the businesses are claiming that it's competitive business intelligence, or something like that, and disclosing it is the same as disclosing the secret formula for Pepsi (one part fizzy water, 1 part battery acid, and 1 part ratp*ss).
Wal*Mart
Target
Best Buy
Staples
That's the list for those who skipped the article. The websites for contacting them that I found were:
http://www.walmartstores.com/wmstore/wmstores/Ho mePage.jsp?template=OnlineForm.jsp
http://www.target.com/exec/obidos/handle-generic -form/ref=ref-tag/601-9021845-6802517?action=next% 2dpage&target=help%2fself%2dservice%2demail%2dform %2ehtml&display=sug&browse=1039412%20&method=GET+
http://www.bestbuy.com/infoCenter/ContactUs/CRGe neral.asp
(No online contact to the Best Buy corporate office, but this is pretty close).
http://www.staples.com/help/contact/Contact.asp? Type=other_quest
Pulling the ads was the right thing, it will generate mass publicity (like getting it on /.) and will make the corporations look even more wrong (which they are). Next step is to put a section on the front page in nice plain view stating that these comapnies are evil and that FatWallet will no longer help advertize for them. Then add a section thanking all the other stores that did not DMCA them and encourage shoppers to go there instead, thus funneling people towards Best Buy and such's competition.
--Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
What if they post all the prices minus one. So if Walmart sells object X for $4.95 show that it is $4.94 and state to get the actual price, you need to add $.01. That way you are not using the actual price and thus you are not infringing on the copyright :-)
Steven Rostedt
-- Nevermind
Black as in "in the black" financially. The idea is that all of the year's profits will be made between that friday and the end of the year. Not literally, of course, but they're looking for this time period to meet forecasts for the year.
HIV Crosses Species Barrier... into Muppets
My answer to this : Buy Nothing Day.
"See? I didn't take advantage of commonly available price information to make an informed decision!"
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
I suspect that MAP (minimum advertised price) is involved in this somewhere. If so, it's gonna get ugly.
Most big retailers advertise. A log. Direct mailers - junk mail - and TV ads are very effective. They bring in business. But ads are expensive, so retailers go to manufacturers and say, "Hey, how about you pay for part of this ad, and we promise to include your products." Manufacturers, not being stupid, say "Sure!"
But manufacturers have to take care of all of their customers, not just some, so they set rules. One of which is MAP. They only contribute to the cost of an ad campaign if the retailer promises to not advertise below a certain price (which would undercut other retailers). If they do advertise below that price, they lose the ad dollars.
Since retailers - also not stupid - know they can approach multiple manufacturers, they can often get their advertising nearly for free, by getting a little bit of the cost from many manufacturers. So there's a lot of money involved, and much of it is subjected to MAP rules.
I've always wondered why MAP doesn't violate the anti-trust laws, but I am no lawyer.
Yeah, this might be slightly off-topic, but please read before passing judgement...
Is it just me, or is the number of YRO-type issues increasing? It just seems that over the past few months, more and more of our freedoms are being taken away. It seems to be getting harder to do anything without being hit with the threat of a lawsuit (under the guise of the DMCA or some other law). Corporations seem to have attained, or are very close to attaining, some sort of demi-god or god-like status in the eyes of the government, untouchable by any laws. Politicians left and right, Democrat and Republican, are increasingly coming under the influence of the big dollars that corporations and special interest groups bring. Is it just me, or is our country no longer free? Is it just me, or is our government no more than protectors of corporate interests? Is it just me, or are the efforts of the EFF and other organizations no longer effective? Is it just me, or is it time for more civil disobedience, protests, marches, and the like?
Operations Manager: "We got all those prices taken off the web, now we won't have hordes of people trying to get into our stores."
Sales Director: "You're fired"
In case you're curious, Techbargains.com has some Black Friday deals posted, and as of now they still seem to be up.
The deals are:
Upcoming Black Friday Deals, Nov 20
The day after Thanksgiving, 11/29, rewards those who wake up early to shop! Retailers hope to get in the 'Black' during the holiday season.
Best Buy 6AM-Noon - 150 Precision 40x CDRs Free AR, DVD Player $39.99AR, WD 75GB Drive & Kbyte 256MB PC133 $49.99AR, Avorcent 48x12x48 CDRW $9.99AR
Officemax - 16x DVDROM Free AR, DVD-R drive $169.99 AR, Kingston 128MB PC133 Free AR, Hival or KHypermedia 100 pack CDR Free AR.
Staples 7AM to 10AM - Scanner $16.98AR, 30GB 7200 RPM HD $29.98AR, Cendyne 40x12x48 $9.98AR, Palm m500 $129.99 w/acc kit Free AR, PNY 512MB PC133 $29.98AR, Envision 15" LCD $199.94 AR.
Walmart 6AM - 11AM - Apex DVD Player $48.76, Kodak CX4300 Digital Camera $154
Show your support for the cause at the Black Friday Yahoo Group. It was founded today and already has approximately 700 members as of this post!
I still believe you need to let a corporation know when idiocy or lack of customer service will lose them business. Target and BestBuy are the only two I would really shop from the list anyway...but I would prefer to let them know that, on principle, I'm very willing to shop elsewhere...say folks that do allow their prices to be listed/compared.
Que Deus te de em dobro o que me desejas
[May God give you double that which you wish for me]
The flyers are an expression of information. Scanning the flyers and posting the images would be a violation of copyright. The information in the flyers is not protected by copyright.
Understand, though: this isn't about the information. It's about the control of the information. Copyright should be used as a shield, not as a sword; but that's not what's happening here.
(The "shield"/"sword" language is from the FATAL SUBTRACTION case.)
Stupid job ads, weird spam, occasional insight at
Not really formatted well, just copied everything off the hot deals forum at Anandtech (as they havent taken down the ads yet)
http://www.columbia.edu/~sp2015/blackfriday.txt
the file probably has somewhere in the 400-500 prices. I'd be willing to put more there, so just email me.
From what it sounds like, this is simply old fashioned, very illegal price fixing. It won't hold up in court. Hopefully the fed will take them down for this.
Until I have reasonable "fair use" of media that I buy, and until this price fixing is stopped, I'm just gonna have to leave KazaaLite running.
I looked at the site this story points to, but
there just aren't any details. Everyone is
exercised about "invoking the DCMA", but no
one has any of the facts here at slashdot.
Just what did the letter say? Anyone can send
a letter about anything, but there is no substance
here, not even anything to get upset at.
At least 2 ways to handle this: 1) Legally - take it to court & fight it. The companies will back off (after Black Friday), you will have spent a buttload of money, and you won't have achieved any lasting effect on the DMCA. 2) As a consumer - write to the four companies in question & tell them that you will not be doing Christmas shopping with them under any circumstances because of their blatent misuse of an already unconstitutional law. Then (and this is the important part) stick by it. Enough letters coupled with a slightly weaker-than-expected revenue stream during the Christmas season and they might get the point. If you want extra credit, e-mail their competitors and mention to them that the reason you will be shopping with them instead of BestBuy or Target is because of this issue. That might help prevent copycats. Plus, you'll have the peace of mind knowing that you're taking the only stand they will ever listen to.
My guess is some of those sale prices are 'lost litres' (they don't make money on the items, or lose money on them) their sole purpose is to get the customer in to the store (happy meals are the same way. They're to get the Adults to come in and buy food)
Keeping the information from being distributed produces an ignorant customer who may go only to 1 or 2 stores to purchase their merchandise (having seen news ads only for those 2 stores). A better educated customer will go to many stores, picking up on all the 'lost litres'. In the end the customer pays less, but the stores don't make as much money.
Too much advertizing(consumer knowledge) is a BAD thing.....
Black Friday List
Best Buy
Lexmark X73 multifunction printer (less than $100)
Kodak Digital Camera (i think $100, not sure of model)
Monsters Inc., Beauty & The Beast, Grease DVD $12.99
Shania Twain Up, 8 Mile Soundtrack, Eminem The Eminem Show, 3 Doors
Down, U2 The
Best Of 1990-2000 CD $8.99
Panasonic 45 sec No Skip CD Player(SLSX388) $39.99-$10 IR-$5 BB MIR=
$24.99
Precision CDR Discs 40x 80 Min 2 pack 150 total Disc bundle
(5770075) $26-$26 MIR
= FREE
Curtis 3 CD Shelf System (RCD855) $37.99
DVD/CD Player [model may vary by store] (CH-DVD 402/2110) $69.99-$30
MIR= $39.99
ALL Wireless phones regularly $149.99 and below are FREE (after MIR)
with new
activation
75GB 7200 WD (WD750BBRTL)/KByte 256MB PC133 RAM (6432ZZGSEM) BUNDLE
$219.98-$60
IR-$109.99 Bundle MIR= $49.99
AVorcent 48x12x48x CDRW (RWJ-481S) $59.99-$30 MIR-$20 MIR= $9.99
Kodak EasyShare 2 Megapixel Digital Camera (CX4200) $99.99
Daewoo 25" Stereo TV (DTQ25S3FC) $159.99-$10 MIR= $149.99
KLH 160 Watt Home Theater System (HA7000/HA9000) $159.99-$30 MIR=
$129.99
eMachines Celeron 2.0Ghz Computer 256MB DDR SDRAM, 40GB HDD, 40x
CDRW, 6 USB 2.0
ports (T2040) $549.99-$250 MIR = $299.99
SAME MACHINE AS ABOVE + 15" Samsung LCD Monitor (151V) $919.98-$250
MIR-$100
MIR-$70 Samsung MIR= $499.98
-eric
You know, it's shit like this that makes me very ashamed to be a Born and Bred American. Land of the Free eh? Free to get screwed by the corporations here maybe.
Any one know if Sealand is planning on bulding any Condos? I'll be the first tennent. This countries legal system is getting way out of hand. 1984 gets closer and closer to reality every day.
Anyway, a lot of these sales include prices after manufacture rebates. Bare in mind that many states, like the one I live in (Connecticut), have laws preventing retailers from advertising the net cost of an item after a rebate. Even if it says in small letters below the big shiney price (after $100 rebate), retailers can't do that. They must give the rebate at the time of purchase if they advertise like that. Check with your state's state library, or department of consumer protection to see if you have a law like this.
Here is the law from Connecticut:
(notice paragraph e)
Staples:
Black Friday 7AM - 10AM. Remember they have 14 days price guarantee.
Should have
info on non 7AM-10AM soon. Good luck.
499667, 499449 scanner $79.98 - $63 mir = $16.98
493300 Ezonics PC Camera 2pk $59.98 - $25 is - $25 mir = $9.94
496430 30gb 7200 rpm HD $79.98 - $50 mir = $29.98 ß isn't there
another valid
rebate?
488960 cendyne 40x12x48 burner $59.98 - $50 mir = $9.98
457057 Palm m500 $144.99 - $15 is = $129.99 plus get 484854
accessory kit $39.99
- $15 is - $25 mir = FREE plus get 499648 Austin Powers Pinball game
$2.99 -
$2.99 is = FREE
466913 HP PSC950 $199.98 - $50 mir = $149.98
493000 HP 940 remanufactured $79.98 - $10 is - $30 mir = $39.98
469920 HP 318 $139.98 - $10 is - $50 mir = $79.94
463438, 480124 Sandisk 128 CF or smart media $69.98 - $32 is - $10
mir = $27.94
478328 PNY 512 ram $129.98 - $80 is - $20 mir = $29.98
473998 Zline Corner Desk $49.94 (after 50% savings)
490583 Envision 775e $164.98 - $87 mir = $77.98
450433 Envision 15" LCD $359.98 - $60 is - $100 mir = $199.94
496731 100pk cdr $37.98 - $18 is - $20 mir = FREE
489577 25pk jewel cases $9.98 - $6 is - $4 mir = FREE
498449 5 sheet shredder $13.94 - $5 mir = $8.94
Some other items good Fri & Sat.
430251 HP G85 $199.98
047298 Sharp AL800 $199.98
443412 ATP3 Speakers $79.98 - $20 is - $30 mir
496442 Cendyne DVDr/rw $299.99 - $50 is - $50 mir = $199.94
479814 DVD rom $79.98 - $20 is - $20 mir = $39.94
496741 2pk 4-port USB hub $29.98 - $10 is - $10 mir = $9.94 ß
guessing USB 1
457395 PNY 256 $69.98 - $45 is - $15 mir = $9.94
491698 Cobra 104 $49.99 - $20 is - $10 mir = $19.94
425803 Scotch tape dispenser $3.29 - $3.29 mir = FREE
water 2 cases for $9
450431 Envision 19" $199.98 - $100 mir = $99.98
$150 mire desktop pc package or laptop
$100 is on most bto pc & monitor package
$200 is on bto desktop or laptop
-eric
I likes chokomut ice creem!
I want to see the damn takedown letters!
I want to read the greasy, obscene ooze penned by those lawyers under command of these retail Nazis!
I want that legalese filth to stain my nostrils with a stench so powerful that it will be constant reminder to me during my xmas shopping.
Do you read me, Wal-Mart, Target, Staples and (Not)Best-Buy?
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
GeneralEmergency
A point of speculation:
I have a hard time seeing how the DMCA protects this price information.
Apparently, some people see otherwise. Namely, those with something to gain.
So, I wonder if the broad and poorly-worded DMCA is being "deliberately misunderstood" for various reasons. IE people are going to get as much out of it as possible - and always have the excuse of a poorly-written law to fall back on.
Or maybe I'm just cynical. Well, more than usual.
"The Sage treasures Unity and measures all things by it" - Lao Tzu
Okay. Mod me down to old and stupid, but while this article may be true, so far I haven't seen anything (other than the URL referenced in the summary ) confirming this. Sure, there's a link in this ( the Slashdot ) thread to a DVD discussion group, but has anyone researched this? It seems to be a mighty thin basis on which to be posting an article?
Xibalba: My hell. Your hell. Our hell!
http://bofhweb.org/
-eric
Is the best place to go for Slashdot headlines and terms that make no sense to you.
/. has posted a lot more bizarre technical astronomical and programming terms than Black Friday.
And don't flame cause you don't know how to stfw.
I've seen many comments saying "Don't buy from these companies" or the like. That's fine, but be sure to let them know why you aren't buying from them!
Here are some links to:
Walmart's comment page.
Best Buy's comment page or call them at 1-888-BESTBUY.
Target's comment page or call them at 1-800-440-0680.
Staple's comment page or call 1-800-3STAPLE.
Trolling is a art,
Is because they don't want people to see how overpriced their merchandise is. With the increase in shopping portals that aggregate offers from lots of different companies (see shopping.yahoo.com, shopping.msn.com, etc.) it's easy to see how overpriced a lot of the stuff big merchants sell is.
-- Hobbits suck!
SAFER NATION
Washington DC - U.S. Department of Justice has just sent e-mails and fax letters to suspected terrorists all over the world warning them that the acts of terrorism are also illegal under the DMCA. The official hard copy letter will follow soon, announced the DOJ spokesperson.
Given the ease with which anyone can be charged with a DMCA violation as well as severe penalties that follow conviction, it is widely speculated that Justice Department will use this law to combat terrorism worldwide even more effectively.
"It's great that our government is doing its best against terrorism," - said Nancy from Virginia, - "if this law will help them prosecute these people, yeah, they definitely should use it."
Meanwhile, Congress, RIAA and its member companies are expected to show wide support to the DOJ on these issues. Nation's lawmakers promise to further improve security and economic stability through such laws as the DMCA. For example, several sources report that Senator Hollings is hard at work to propose an enhanced addition to the current DMCA which would create a central database of suspected DMCA violators. The database would be made up mostly by suspects entered by RIAA and MPAA. This database would then be used for background checks at video, audio, and rental stores when consumers purchase entertainment products. If, for example, someone fails a background check, the product they are trying to buy will cost 80-95% more.
"I think it's fair" - said Joe from Chicago, - "I don't steal any CDs or DVDs, so I don't want to pay more just because other people steal and companies lose billions in revenue. This way, people who steal will pay more to make up the losses, and I'll get the fair price."
And Joe is not alone. Lisa from Kansas also believes that "if you don't steal and have nothing to hide, you are fine, I fully support it." Gallup polls have shown over the years that people believe "stealing is wrong." Senator Hollings' law will give yet another weapon to the government and American businesses to defend and protect the nation from terrorists and DMCA violators. The law is expected to pass overwhelmingly both in the House and the Senate by unanimous consent.
...for the US Copyright Office to consider.
Fair use gives the conditions under which someone can make use of copyrighted material. But facts can't be copyrighted. Copyright law can't stop me from telling you that BigBox.com is selling whatzits for $39.95, no matter how much BigBox.com wants to stop me from doing so, unless I somehow violated some legal agreement in disclosing the fact.
I have recently left the retail business, so this story just causes me to sit here in front of my machine and chuckle about how absurd the DMCA has become, and how this law has been abused.
I can tell you that the store where I used to work has a competitive price policy-- we would match the price for the same item if another store had the item currently at a lower price. Of course, to verify this, we would have to call the other store. I can now envision how such a conversation might take place now:
"Hello, I'm calling to find out the price of a Ralph Lauren polo, blue in color?"
"I'm sorry sir, I can't reveal that information without you having a Price Licence-- it's copyrighted, ya know."
Note that this might well be a regular customer, not an employee from a competitor. I assume that this site was posting prices of items from the different stores, and the stores put the whammy on them to discourage shoppers from being able to compare for themselves who had the lowest price. I consider this to be an anticompetitve action which could be prosecuted by the FTC or the Justice Dept.-- but they probably won't be.
Always look on the briight side of life! (whistle, whistle)
ooh that's cute. You think moderation reflects your value as a person!
if you think this is bad, just wait another year or so. you will see incredible restrictions on all forms of internet communication. the internet is just too dangerous for big business' bottom line. they will do anything to control the user, including buying control of the judicial system, which is now in progress. just look at the records of the current judical nominees... and attorney general... a.p.
this is proprietary data that hasn't yet been released to the unwashed masses.
these are -planned- sales, these prices aren't available to the public. they are being passed by employees to these deal sites.
whether we feel any process in this situation is morally 'right' or not isn't pertinant.
the legal matter is: that is proprietary business information that is -not- available to the general public (yet), and those corporations have a right to protect that data.
try to resist the kneejerk reaction until you get some data guys.
// "Can't clowns and pirates just -try- to get along?"
I believe I read somewhere that Bata, the industrialist from what is now the Czech Republic (his companies made shoes, among other things), was the first to introduce .99 prices, some time in the early part of the 1900s.
We need loser pays.
I really don't understand how this DMCA gets used for lawsuits like this. There was an issue last week with some websites mirroring the public Raven Shield demo, and getting cease-and-desist letters from Gamespy who claimed that mirroring their "exclusive" demo somehow violated the DMCA. Does anybody understand how that could possibly be a DMCA violation, and is there any limit to how far reaching this law can go?
If you had the secret formula to Coke, you'd be allowed to publish it, because they never filed a copyright or patent on it. As a matter of fact, when Coke introduced New Coke, Pepsi duplicated Coke's taste, and was about to market Savannah Cola asa replacement, when Coke brought back Coke Classic.
People /want/ to fight it, they just can't. Try going up against Wal Mart, Best Buy, Target...you can't. You don't have the money. They can tie you up in court until your financing runs out, then your lawyer says "buh-bye" and you effectively lose.
:) You'd be suprised at how effective small groups of people can be once they get noticed by the higher managment of these places. If your stunt has entertainment value, local papers and tv stations will probably cover it if you tell them ahead of time... there's not much news on a holiday weekend anyway.
There's a fun and easy way to fight it...
Here are the stores that sent the DMCA threats: Wal*Mart, Target, Best Buy, Staples
Some of you may be screaming boycott... but that won't work. There aren't enough people who even know what the DMCA is to make a dent in the sales of these companies... besides, they would just chalk it up to the bad economy and ask for a government bail-out.
I think guerrilla protests are the best way... especially since most of us have the friday after thanksgiving off... Just get a few friends together and have fun...
a few ideas:
1. Go to a store and cover up their prices with red tape. This would be especially effective at stores where the prices are on the shelves and not on the items.
2. Go to a store and have customers sign a non-disclosure agreement before they look at the prices. Explain that the prices are copyrighted and they can't tell anyone else what they paid for what they buy. After the store kicks you out go outside in the parking lot. After the cops ask you to leave go to another store.
3. Guerrilla theater. Perform mini DMCA plays in the offending stores... this one can be a lot of fun.
Be sure to have fliers explaining the DMCA and what these stores did and hand them out to the curious. Be creative.
Don't worry about getting arrested... just leave when they ask you to leave and go on to another store. It doesn't matter if your mini-protest lasts only five minutes before they kick you out... the store manager will still tell his district manager about your stunt, and maybe the store might change its policy.
Too bad there isn't a geeky activist group to organize such a thing. If this were organized to be across several cities, small groups of five or six people in each city would be very effective.
I did a few protests back in college
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who can count in binary and those who can't.
This sounds so odd that I would like to see the letters and and have the person that is named as sending them out admit to it before I would believe it.
:)
A slashdot posting saying that the DMCA is being used to attack some website is a surefire way of getting hits on that site
For those that didn't see the prior article, or haven't made the connection, this is a wonderful opportunity to offer an example of what's wrong with the DMCA. Those who are articulate, knowledgable about legal stuff, and / or involved in these cases should definitely contribute. Here's the Slashdot story, and here's the site soliciting comment.
Okay... I've read the story.. browsed the site, and I still have a serious question:
Is this site posting sale infomation before it is made generally available to the public?
The tone of most the responses indicates they are simply reporting what they have observed (in the store, on TV, etc) and not publishing information about sales which have yet to be announced they got because the submitter's friend is an employee with loose lips.
Of course, even if they are "leaking" ad material, doesn't that fall under the same protection as say, leaks to the media about confidential informantion? I doubt you could sue CNN for running a story in which they say: "Sources close to XYZ Corp. tell us next week the price of widgets is going to be slashed 15% across the board"
Perhaps XYZ Corp. can take action against the employee who leaked the infomation, but I have trouble believing they would stand a chance (well-paid CNN lawyers aside) of winning in a fair court.
The links is way to conclusory for me even to figure out what they are talking about. It is unclear that this really has anything to do with the DMCA at all -- except to the extent that the DMCA affirmatively HELPS service providers with an express safe harbour. (That was more or less the state of the law after the Netcom case anyway.) It is possible also that the particular provider may have been scared off by his own overcautious counsel -- we just can't tell from what I can see.
Does anyone have a link to the actual demand/notice letters or a more detailed account so that we can figure out what is what?
Folks, I just spoke with Ron. He's under deadline and has only minutes left to finish his story. Remember what it was like when you had papers due in college? I think it's best to leave him alone on this even if you have the world's greatest comment to share....
--
* Helen *
(shout)
How do you shoot poor defenseless, choad swilling, slow waddling lawyers?
It's easy - you just don't lead them as much.
(/shout)
Glonoinha the MebiByte Slayer
Upcoming Black Friday Deals, Nov 20
From techbargains:
The day after Thanksgiving, 11/29, rewards those who wake up early to shop! Retailers hope to get in the 'Black' during the holiday season.
Best Buy 6AM-Noon - 150 Precision 40x CDRs Free AR, DVD Player $39.99AR, WD 75GB Drive & Kbyte 256MB PC133 $49.99AR, Avorcent 48x12x48 CDRW $9.99AR
Officemax - 16x DVDROM Free AR, DVD-R drive $169.99 AR, Kingston 128MB PC133 Free AR, Hival or KHypermedia 100 pack CDR Free AR.
Staples 7AM to 10AM - Scanner $16.98AR, 30GB 7200 RPM HD $29.98AR, Cendyne 40x12x48 $9.98AR, Palm m500 $129.99 w/acc kit Free AR, PNY 512MB PC133 $29.98AR, Envision 15" LCD $199.94 AR.
Walmart 6AM - 11AM - Apex DVD Player $48.76, Kodak CX4300 Digital Camera $154
For all practical purposes the "Safe Harbor" provision forces the presumption guilt upon act of the filing the complaint. That means that prior to any court cases, etc., the remedy the company filing the complaint desires already has taken place. The material is squelched.
Couple that with the deep-pockets vs small-operators problem of fighting a court case and the DMCA stiffles just about anything a company wants to stiffle, regardless of the merit of their complaint.
At the very least the "Safe Harbor" mechanism should be reworked. The company/person filing the complaint should have to go to court to get an injuction to get the offending material removed. If they couldn't even get an injunction, it is unlikely they would pursue the matter much farther. I think that would stop a lot of these thugish tactics.
Obligatory - IANAL.
deserve's got nothing to do with it...
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." - Ayn Rand
Write to them to complain instead of writing on Shashdot. Are you unhappy about this misuse of an already existing law? Sale prices are facts, not copyrighted material. Courts have already ruled that facts devoid of any creativity (such as telephone books) can be copied.
Wal-Mart
From main web site, click Help (at top). Click Company Information (bottom). Click Contact Stores and Home Office Customer Service (bottom left).
Contact
Target
From main web site, click Help (way bottom). Click either Contact Us About Online Services (left middle), or Contact Us About Target (left further down).
Target
Target
Best Buy
From main web site, click Contact Us (left bar, bottom). Click General Questions about BestBuy.com.
Best Buy
Staples
From main web site, click Help (top right). Click Contact Us. Click Something Else.
Staples
These pages have a SUBMIT button for a reason. (because they want you to submit to them.)
If you don't write, then I'll assume you are perhaps happy about this.
Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security and DRM should switch to Microsoft Palladium!
True capitalism with lots of healthy competition requires that consumers have access to lots of information so that they can make educated decisions. If consumer access to information is restricted, consumers are unable to make educated decisions and the market becomes distorted. Successful businesses have every bit of incentive to restrict your access to information. If it's harder to find competing products, or harder to compare prices, consumers will tend to stick with existing suppliers and products (because it costs time and sometimes money to find out about other options). If information is easily available, smaller and newer providers have a much easier time gaining customers.
Ultimately, successful capitalists are the greatest danger to capitalism. This is why we have anti-trust laws. This is why we need to fight hard against attempts to limit information on products, be it pricing information or reviews and benchmarks (as many software EULAs prohibit).
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The DMCA needs to be slimmed WAY down to prevent this kind of blatent abuse. Or better yet - repealed all together.
/RANT
What ever happened to the 1st amendment and free speech??
There is only one clear way for Joe Consumer to fight back against the abuses of Corporate America. Ok, well lets make that two ways:
1. Join the EFF and make regular donations!! There are very few political causes as noble as the EFF.
2. Boycott the chains of retailers who practice this insidious abuse of the law. Support your local mom-and-pop stores and stop going to the big chains. You'll be surprised how much better some of these smaller privately owned stores are!!
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
Better yet than a boycott, Buy the items for sale as loss leaders advertised from other stores and take the add with and force them to abide by the price matching policy. I believe $taples for example has %155 price difference policy.
Wow... Before this I'd never even heard of fatwallet.com.
:)
Thanks Walmart!
I've written them all, and sent descriptions of the story with links to CNN.com and Washingtonpost.com. I doubt it'll do any good, but it never hurts to try. Maybe if enough people write in the norms will actually hear about what the DMCA is really all about.
For those of you who don't know, the National Post is a Canadian newspaper of apparently declining popularity whose editorial bias seems to be somewhere to the right of Pat Buchanan.
I haven't read it, but there's a book called "Black Sunday" about some nut who nukes the superbowl from a blimp, or something (thus the title, "Black Sunday"). So, when I read all this about the Friday after Thanksgiving being called "Black Friday" I thought about some nut or group of coordinated terrorist nuts bombing the shopping malls. Then it'd REALLY be a black Friday. After all, people are calling 9-11-01 "Black Tuesday". Maybe it's just me, but I think calling it "Black Friday" is a stupid idea. I guess that's why I'm not a high-paid retail or advertising executive, or something.
Well, the Library of Congress pretty much squashed anything to do with DeCSS in the last round, lets see how they like this. The second anticircumvention rulemaking requests written commentsfrom all interested parties (Nov 19 - Dec 18). We'd like to see the law go away - they only want exemptions. I'm not sure if this fits, because they keep asking for a 'technological measure', but maybe this is some of the ammo we've been looking for.
The purpose of this proceeding is to determine whether there are particular classes of works as to which users are, or are likely to be, adversely affected in their ability to make noninfringing uses due to the prohibition on circumvention.
Format is important. Know what they are looking for and how they want it presented.
First, a proponent must identify the technological measure that is the ultimate source of the alleged problem, and the technological measure must effectively control access to a copyrighted work.
Second, a proponent must specifically explain what noninfringing activity the prohibition on circumvention is preventing.
Third, a proponent must establish that the prevented activity is, in fact, a noninfringing use under current law. The nature of the Librarian's inquiry is further delineated by the statutory areas to be examined:
(i) The availability for use of copyrighted works;
(ii) The availability for use of works for nonprofit archival, preservation, and educational purposes;
(iii) The impact that the prohibition on the circumvention of technological measures applied to copyrighted works has on criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research;
(iv) The effect of circumvention of technological measures on the market for or value of copyrighted works; and
(v) Such other factors as the Librarian considers appropriate.
I agree.
Furthermore, there is no way anyone could claim a copyright on a set of "prices".
It's the effect of the Safe Harbour provision which allows the big companies to get protection for "copyrighted materials" which would never actually get the protection of copyright itself.
A list of prices is not in any way an original work deserving of copyright protection. It doesn't even qualify under the most basic of criteria for protection under any copyright act in the world.
But the DMCA gives the asserting party the ability to shift the onus of proof from the plaintiff to the defendant through sheer economics.
IANAL, but this certainly blows chunks.
Just to remind folks, November 29th is Buy Nothing Day world-wide.
Buy Nothing and stand up for yourself!
Hans Blix wants to inspect your anus.
Today is a gift. Save the receipt.
Will this club (as in clumsy weapon) called "DMCA" extend offshore? If not, then why doesn't some enterprising entrepreneur (as opposed to the unenterprising ones) setup a copy of 'FatWallet' somewhere where the DMCA don't shine?
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone who read this thread and thought, "that's just wrong" let their families know that they didn't want any items from these stores for Chistmas, and why.
"So JD, what do you want for Christmas?"
"Clothes, computer crap, etc...but nothing from Best Buy, Staples, WalMart, or Target...they seem to think you're a cyber terrorist if you discuss their prices."
Hell, that might get copyright itself abolished! :)
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
For those interested in actually taking an active role in government (assuming you live in the U.S.), take a look at HR5522 from the 107th Congress (House of Representatives Act). Not yet passed, but referred to committee as recently as this month. You'll have to wait until all your reps get back from vaction to talk to them about it I'm sure, but speak up, they do listen. Or, more preciscely, they do count the amount of positive/negative feedback they get, assuming you live in their district (ALWAYS INCLUDE YOUR ADDRESS ON CORRESPONDENCE WITH THEM OR IT WILL NOT BE COUNTED!!!!).
I haven't looked in great detail at the contents of the bill, but the gist of it seems to be to scale back the DMCA, as it is obviously bad.
The two sponsors of this bill are Michael Honda (California) and Zoe Lofgren (California).
Latest status has it going to the Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property, be particularly vocal to your representatives if they serve on that committee.
You can look at the legislation yourself by going to Thomas and typing "hr5522" in the "Bill Number" text field at the top.
The government may not do things you like, but for the most part, all the information you need to speak out against it in an informed fashion is available to you for free. Use it, your tax dollars pay for it.
A valuable addendum to the DMCA would be a provision to punish for false accusations. Essentially the way it would work is that if you sent somebody a DMCA nastygram, and then decided to take them to court, if you lost, you would owe their legal fees and other associated costs.
This would allow for small players to take on the big corporations with some comfort that if they win, they'll get their money back.
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Wow! First real world slashdotting..... I think the grandparent may have just started the first slashdotting to ever happen to someone over the phone! Bigtime kudos goes out to Ron for his efforts and I hope he does a great job on his story.
I did just have a thought though, maybe he will write a follow up article and could use more ideas/comments (I'm sure if enough of us call he will do a follow up) about the DMCA. So everyone, let's let him have the time necessary to complete his article, and then call him, I'm gonna call in about an hour and a half, I hope the rest of you will follow suit. A half a million phone calls to one poor journalist should get somebody's attention at least.
news story about public comment period for dmca
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This is, at best, a trade secret. Trade secrets are protected under completely different rules from copyright. You can't copyright a price.
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If the /. community can overload servers based on an article, what effect would a 5-10-30 day boycott of the companies responsible for this behavior have?
They almost do it themselves, though. "No third-party price advertising" is equal to "no sale" at the end of the quarter.
When I clicked on the link to Fat Wallet's front page and was greeted with a link to their "Featured Store", which is none other than Target.
This is truely The Worst Part, being screwed by your "Partners". This looks like a case of the lawyers not doing their research.
"I'm The Bounty Bear. I will find him anywhere. I'm searching."
They have a store open to the public to sell products. That obliges them to certain obligations, one of each is to make public the prices of their products!
What people do with the price info is out of their hands, because, when one thing is public, it is public! The internet isn't an exception...
Cheers...
How fatwallet got its information? That is the key to determining the DMCA's applicability.
So the DCMA's anticircumvention clause protecting the layout extends to cover the facts contained in the layout from "cirumvention"? Like if I read the prices and typed them then posted them? Or if I built a script that did the same? Or even if I built a script that did the same and used the resulting site to generate ad revenue? How can you apply anti-circumvention protection to something that's not copyrighted to begin with? Sounds like a preposterous extention of layout protection, but you never can tell just how stupid the folks how came up with and held constitutional the DMCA can be.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
protection system...
Everything everyone writes is thrus protected by the DMCA automagicaly...
Cheers...
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On other news, Harry Porter missed a spell and Bush turned into a... bush...
Farget(tm) stores sells the My-Little-Flamethrower for $29.95
Ball-mart(tm) sells the My-Little-Flamethrower for $29.99
You see why Ball-mart would not want you to see both of those prices posted on the same site? Imagine further if they were selling it for $31.95, or $34.95. They only want the free advertising if they're the lowest price.
-T
Thank you for doing the legwork for me. You did us a kind service. I probably wouldn't have gone through the trouble to write to them if you hadn't made it a one-click event for me.
They all have mail now. I made it clear how it hurt me as a shareholder. I also mentioned that I was pretty sure any competitor would gladly honor their sales prices this season.
Thanks again!
Sway
Peace. Sway
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same guy who wrote Silence of the Lambs.
A fairer allegation would be some form of trade secret misappropriation (information, not generally available, used for busines advantage, that is protected from unreasonable or unfair acquistions attempts) or a specie of unfair competition (vis-a-vis International News Service v. Associated Press, forbidding the republishing of 'hot news' to reap where one has not sown even though the facts of the news are not copyrighted). Not that it would be sustained in this particular case, but at least they aren't laughable theories.
OK, they have a right to protect that data -- and so they did, as a trade secret. The trade secret got leaked, and the businesses have grounds to take legal action against the leakers (if they can find them).
However, the question here is whether copyright law (either traditional copyright law, or the modern versions produced by coin-operated legislators) applies to this situation. The answer would appear to be "no", as this case pertains to a simple observation of fact rather than to a written or artistic work.
/. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
It's a ridiculous ploy by retailers, but it will serve them well. This year is going to suck badly for them and many of them will see a major stock sell-off when the numbers come out. They use the ads to draw people into the stores so they can profit on other items. There are plenty of reasons why they make less money if people can peruse the ads online, but I see this as a simple tactic... Cry DMCA this year and protect this year's crop. It doesn't have to be legit enough to hold up in court, it just has to scare people for one year.
Also, why would they want to stop this free advertising?
Well, if their prices are not the lowest, they obviously don't want that to be a well known fact.
Once again, this is just a case of old time, brick and mortar mentality creeping into the global, immediate nature of the internet.
Before the internet was so popular, consumers actually had to get off their fat arses and go to the stores to shop/compare prices/etc. Sure there were newspapers and magazines that made it possible to compare prices, but these can hardly compete with the speed and penetration of the internet.
What happens if everyone knows of a website where they can go to see retailers prices on certain products? They most likely choose to buy from the retailer with the lowest price. That is, unless they have some personal loyalty to a higher priced retailer, or perhaps they had a bad experience from the low price retailer, and won't buy from that particular store.
Obviously, this is bad news for the retailers. I'm sure that they made quite a few sales based on impulse, where the consumer is in the store, looking at the product, and is tired of driving all over town looking for the best price. He's gonna buy at a higher price, right? That's what the retailers are betting on.
Unfortunately for the retailers, the internet is forcing them to rethink their business strategies, and sometimes it's easier for them to bully the little guy than to change their entire strategy.
"A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but doesn't have an air force." -William Blum
Just posting the prices everywhere, far and wide, on servers outside the US, for everyone to see?
Then again... Maybe that's what they want? After all, any publicity is good publicity...
Now, I'm not American, and not a lawyer... but aren't copyright and trade secrets different concepts?
:-) that'd possibly be relevant, but I fail to see where the DMCA comes into this.
I thought the idea was that copyright prevented people from copying things you've published, trade secrets prevent your employees leaking things you haven't published, and it's only the employee's fault (i.e. not the recipient's) when it gets leaked?
So, um, if you had a Numeric Decade Trade Secrets Act
So, if the DMCA is the worst thing to happen ever, why don't you folks get off your asses and do something! Seriously, a lot of the people here seem to spend time decrying the DMCA, while still living under its rule... "WAAAAH, but I can't do anything" is what I hear. That's bull. The DMCA is currently under review! Why not post your comments?
. html Want to change the law? Want to get your voice heard? Do it! Just remember to be polite, your leters will be taken much more seriously.
It's a lot easier to say that a law should be abolished than to actually get up and try to abolish it. Hell, even the most recent slashdot poll shows how little you people are really willing to comit to ending this law: 51% of people chose a form of the "No" option, and 31% chose the CowboyNeal option. A relavent state motto comes to mind: "Live free or DIE!" In other words, either do what needs to be done, or suffer the consequences... I have no sympathy for those who don't vote, only to bitch about the current administration, and I don't have any sympathy for those who bitch about laws, yet never take any action to end those laws.
Oh, so this comment won't be *entirely* a -1 Troll, check this link out sometime: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/comment_forms/index
-jokerghost
Live free or DIE!
it covers whatever the big corporpations want, provided they have enough money to scare everyone else into complying.
If someone says that under the {law} the accused must do {something} that they must also quote the specific section of the law, so that there's less not-legal acusations sent around. I wouldn't stop sharing the info until the accusers can specifically identify under what clause I am guilty of breaking.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
/stiffle/stifle/
That next time I get stopped by the police, I can invoke the DMCA to keep the officer from using my name or driver's license number? Hey, maybe I can claim it to not give it to him in the first place.
--Storm
You guys slashdotted Ron.
"And like that
``why would they want to stop this free advertising?''
Maybe becuase they're stupid? And their use of the DMCA proves it. DMCA: By Stupids, for Stupids
Just had to...
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
If sites are going to be threatened for posting prices (which I find ridiculous), it's time for them to find a more friendly jurisdiction.
Assuming your childish pranks *were* effective, driving people away by taping over prices and passing out phoney non-disclosure agreements would do little for your cause. In the end, our revenue would decrease, hours would be cut and the everyday workers, like me, could be laid-off. All of this would occur without anyone in a position of power knowing *why*, since you resorted to the equivalent of TPing someone's house rather than actually voicing your protest.
As for being arrested, go ahead. Instead of your wet dream about being mentioned to the district manager and causing the store's change of heart just in time for Christmas, you'll be laughed at as the lunatic of the day who got booted from the store. You'll be forgotten within 24 hours when the next lunatic comes in and gets booted for spitting at our general manager.
Really want corporate to pay attention? Find an anti-DMCA friend who works in one of the stores and get them to write a letter to corporate. I'm a great worker with the manager reviews, attendance, and the MVP awards to back it up. Guess what? I'm writing them a letter explaining that, while I love working for [omitted], I'm pretty ashamed of the company's behavior in this situation. Whose statement do you think will carry more weight - mine or the shithead who puts on an anti-DMCA play, oh ah a skit! in the parking lot?
As it stands, your suggestion of handing fliers is the only intelligent thing you said in your post. Information and awareness are the two things Joe Consumer needs, not your 12 year-old stunts d00d.
We want some answers and all that we get
Some kind of shit about a terrorist threat
- Ministry
Not to denigrate adbusters, but not buying anything on a particular day wouldn't affect retailers because customers would just buy what they need in the days before or the days after the boycott day. The overall sales for the year would still be the same. The only way to effect change is to alter people's consumption in the long run. Since we are talking about the Christmas shopping season, to make retailers notice you would need to ask consumers to spend less on their friends, coworkers, and relatives. Some people may be willing to do this but not most -- most people have a budget for each gift. So not buying on that one day would not affect anything since people have until Dec. 25 to buy whatever they wanted.
Without a specific target (i.e. fatwallet.com), it is difficult to send a cease and decist letter. If the information were sent around as a chain mail letter instead of posted on someone's web site then it would be much harder to pin down the origin of the info. What will a lawyer do, email every "frankNOSPAMzappa@zappa.com"?
I don't know how a price may be copyrighted, surely it falls more on the trade secret. On the other hand, I don't feel to have to keep something secret if I'm not in the trade. The issue here is that the posters probably can't be sure if these prices are right or gossip, so they can be sued (the damages to the stores are obvious, if the prices published are superior to actual people will go anywhere else, if they are inferior when people gets in and sees it may feel tricked). Imagine you running a store and seeing someone telling your customers what the prices will be next week.
How does this information get out in the first place
I work at a newspaper where it is just about
impossible to get fired -- I know, I've tried.
The quickest way to get the boot is to remove
copies of ads from the building before the public
gets a hold of them. The ad inserts (those glossy
sheets usally wrapped inside the classified
section which you throw away so you can read the
paper without all that crap) that go in, for
example, Sunday's newspaper are often printed
days or weeks in advance. Removing even one
Sears/BestBuy/grocery store circular from the
building is grounds for termination.
Businesses (especially grocery stores) operate
on very tight margins. Losing folks because the
price of bananas is two cents less a pound is
painful. And, of course, the newspapers are faced
with very strict penalties if we are found to have
let the sort of information leak.
And yet, those advertising circulars are one
of the ways information leaks.
InitZero
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425803 Scotch tape dispenser $3.29 - $3.29 mir _ FREE XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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450431 Envision 19" $199.98 - $100 mir _ $99.98 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
$150 mire desktop pc package or laptop XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
$100 is on most bto pc & monitor package XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
$200 is on bto desktop or laptop XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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HP G85 $200 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Cendyne (ltd-163) dvd FAR (free after rebate) 2 mir's, around $30 each. XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Verbatim 48x cd-rw $20 AR XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Hi-Val 100pk cdr and Khypermedia (trash) 100pk cdr FAR XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
100pk slim jewel cases FAR XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Go Video DVD/VHS player $100 The box didn't say video cd capable, but I think this is the link XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
0223-5986 HP G85 $200 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2014-8190 16x dvd FAR 20mir/25mir XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2021-6375/2021-3895/2018-2491 48x12x48 cd-rw $20, 30 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2014-6496 dvd-r/rw $170, 50 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2021-9194/2021-9201 2.1megapixel camera 100 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
0223-7387 FRS 110 $15, 10/10 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2013-2660 5 piece speakers Altec Lansing $20, 10 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2022-5203 Phonemate 2.4ghz phone $10, 10 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2003-9156 Palm m500 $120, 25 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2008-6256 Kingston pc133 128mb FAR, 15/5 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2021-9210,2022--8344,1426-7633,2022-6729 Argus 2.1 camera, 64cf, cf reader and epson c42 $200, 30/20 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2021-3886 personal cd player $15, 10 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2022-7087 Go video dual deck vhs/dvd (4300 I think) $100, 30/15 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2006-8800/2006-8784 Hi-Val 100pk cd-r FAR, 20 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2018-7245 Khypermedia 100pk cd-r FAR, 20 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2016-1502 100pk Jewel case FAR, 5/5 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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The rest are all FAR with rebates under $15: XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Passive speakers, Keyboard(2003-9316), IBM 2 button mouse, HI-Val modem, Belkin XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
pci nic, Cyber Acoustics Microphone ("be careful with that mic-clutch) Sunburst XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
pen, rca vhs tape, belkin 8 outlet surge protector, 10pk floppy, 32 cd wallet(2002-1924/2020-1880) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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5am - 11am only: XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
twin,full,queen comforters 12.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
ladies basic edition holiday fleece buy one get one free XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
buy one get one 50% off trim a home 100 ct fauceted bulb, 100 ct heavy duty or 140 ct. mini light set XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
hershey's mars and nestle holdiday candy buy one get one free XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
men's lambskin leather jacket 49.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
knighstbridge boxers buy one get one free XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
4 pack cootie games 9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
diva starz 9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
bob the builder or wendy talking plush 5.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
tool source 120 pc home repair or 128 pc tool set 17.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
lasonic dvd/cd/mp3 68.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
hamilton beach 6 slice toaster oven 29.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
george forman party grill with bonus george forman grill 37.77 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
hanes or jerzee fleece buy one get one free XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
14 kt gold earrings reg. 59.99 $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
10kt 3mm rope earrings,ring or bracelets reg.59.99 13.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
supersize pillows 2 for 5.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
swivel-glider recliner with ottoman 89.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
barbie pose me pets funky trunk 12.49 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
lovemates slippers 2.49 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
buy one get one 50% off all legos XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
free martha stewart holiday baking magazine with any purchase limited to first 300 customers XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
receive a $10 reward valid thruy 12-8-02 for spending $50. XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
friday and saturday lowest prices of the season on: XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
polly pocket world park 16.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
disney uno 6.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
hot wheels turbo jet city 34.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
power rangers goggles 8.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
tonka force vehicle 4.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
buy one get one free all nascar die cast vehicles XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
thunder spring horse 46.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
thomas the tank 78.86 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
hot wheels monster truck 7.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
tyco humvee 14.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
hot wheels 5 pack cars 2.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
buy one get one 50% all radio control batteries XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
buy one get one free boys basic edition ribbed tops or cargo will pants XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
mens yarn dyed flannel shirts 4.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
buy one get one free all basic edition socks XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
ladies holiday sweaters 19.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
buy one get one 50% off bath and body and fragrance sets XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
19.99 jewelry boxes are 9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
martha stewart 3 star pillows, evertday towels, bath accessories are buy one get one 50% off XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
all family collection towels buy one get one 50% off XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
all single or multiroll holiday wrapping paper buy one get one 50% off XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
sharp microwave 46.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
lexmark printer 49.99 (with bonus cable software and paper) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
memorex 30 pack data cd-r 6.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
30 pack memorex music cd-r 9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
monsters inc vhs 10.95 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
certain holiday vhs 88cents or dvd's 2.50 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
13" tv/vcr combo 124.99 curtis mathis XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
boys 12" uproar or girls 12" dream bikes 19.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
16" pretty lady or boys gauntlet bikes 39.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
20" malibu or busted bikes 59.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Thanksgiving Day XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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buy one get one free all hasbro, bradley or parker board games XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
buy one get one 50% all ornaments and lights XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
20" apex tv 99.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
ritz, cheese nips buy one get one free XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
miracle whip or mayo 99cents XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
barbie pose me pets 4.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
bratz doll 9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
power ranger figures buy one get one free XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
tabletop relaxation fountain 7.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
girls, boys 20" or men's 24" or 26" bikes 59.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
mega bloks wave racer or blue thunder 9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
galileo or wireless thermometer 9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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#34251 craftsman 251 pc mechanic's tool set 149.99 sale pr XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#33963 craftsman 63 pc mechanic's tool set 29.99 sale pr XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#34551 craftsman 2 pc socket accessory set 19.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#30385 companion 101 pc automotive repair set 24.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#30567 companion 67 pc tool set 17.49 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#31484 craftsman bar clamp 9.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#49032 craftsman deep read stud finder 9.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#82082 craftsman digital multi meter 9.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#17711 craftsman 1.5 peak HP, 2 gal wet/dry vac 19.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#10173 craftsman 3/8 in drill 19.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#11412 craftsman 7.2 volt drill 19.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#40411 craftsman large mouth tool bag 9.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#73915 cord reel with 100w worklight 9.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#34553&34554 3/8 in drive rachet w/9 sockets 9.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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#42000&42001 gear wrench 7 pc wrench set 39.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#33975 craftsman 75 pc mechanic's tool set 49.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#46935&46936 craftsman 26 pc wrench set 49.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#33122 craftsman 122 pc mechanic's tool set 79.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#42406&42407 craftsman 7 pc ratcheting wrench set 89.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#50523 craftsman 2 1/4 ton jack w/case 29.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#53975 craftsman 1/2 HP garage door opener 149.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
(159.99 on sears.com now) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#50190 craftsman motorcycle jack 99.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#65904,65905,65120 craftsman 13 drawer storage combo XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
279.99 when you buy all 3 plus free 3 drawer chest XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#59975 craftsman 5 drawer premium tool center 77.00 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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FREE air tools 139$ value when you buy either air compressor XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#16553 craftsman air compressor 30 gal vertical 299.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#16554 craftsman air compressor 33 gal horizontal 299.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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#41816 craftsman 18 pc screwdriver set 19.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#41819 craftsman 24 pc screwdriver set 29.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#44664 craftsman 3pc adj wrench set 19.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#45713 craftsman 3pc locking pliers set 29.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#45243 craftsman 3 pc pliers set 19.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#37310 craftsman prof accu-cut 19.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#43278 craftsman 3pc pry bar set 29.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#42303 craftsman 2pc clench wrench set 29.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#47000&47001 craftsman 9pc wrench set 19.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#65482 Keter rolling tool cart 29.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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#65432 craftsman 20 in tool box 9.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#59338 craftsman 3 drawer chest 39.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#65796 craftsman adj height clamping table 49.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#65204 craftsman 5 drawer proj ctr 88.00 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#17777 craftsman wet/dry vac 79.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#15210 craftsman oil-lubed compressor 99.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#16528&16529 craftsman compressor combo kit 199.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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#10850 craftsman 7 1/4 in circular saw 29.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#11680 craftsman mouse sander w/case 39.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#11501 craftsman 4 in grinder kit w/case 39.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#61097 craftsman var speed rotary tool kit w/carry bag 39.99 sal XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#26946 craftsman prof 3/8 in drill w/case 39.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#11415 craftsman 16.8 volt drill w/hand vac kit XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
w/case 69.88 closeout XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#25755 drill doctor drill bit sharpener 79.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#26185 craftsman 85 pc speedlok set 89.99 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#24888 craftsman 10in bench-top table saw w/stand 199.00 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#21250 craftsman 10in compound aluminum miter saw w/laser XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Trac cutting guide 199.00 sale XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#26466 craftsman prof router table 89.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#11715 craftsman 3x21 in belt sander 59.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#17574 craftsman 8 amp router 59.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#23223 tradesman 10 in miter saw 88.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#21409 craftsman 9 in band saw 119.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#21610 craftsman 16 in variable speed scroll saw 119.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
#21830 craftsman 10 in jobsite table saw 349.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Have fun all you Tim the tool man Taylors XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Samsung Microwave #70012 sale priced 29.99 (after 15$ sav & 10$ mail XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Samsung Microwave #70212 sale priced 64.99 after 10$ savings & 10$ XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Kenmore Microwave/toaster combo #62292 sale priced 119.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Friday only 0% financing on all home appliances XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Kenmore super capacity washer #22422 sale 277.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore extra large capacity dryer #64202 sale 269.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Maytag Oversized Capacity Plus washer #37642 sale 469.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Maytag Oversized Capacity Plus dryer #47642 sale 399.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore High-efficiency washer #43042 sale 649.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore xtra large cap dryer #83042 sale 399.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore Extra large cap washer #13202 sale 249.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore xtra large cap dryer #63112 closeout sale 239.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore Sup Cap washer #23812 sale 399.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore Sup Cap dryer #62612 closeout sale 299.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Kenmore fridge #71822 18.2 cu ft sale 449.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Frigidaire fridge #88892 18.2 cu ft sale 399.88 closeout XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore fridge #52572 25.2 cu ft sale 999.88 closeout XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Whirlpool fridge #36502 25 cu ft sale 899.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore fridge #62822 18.5 cu ft sale 649.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Kenmore dishwasher #17502 sale 399.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore dishwasher #16121 sale 188.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore dishwasher #16522 sale 277.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore range #95212 sale 359.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore gas range #72112 sale 299.88 closeout XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore electr range #93751 sale 399.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kenmore gas range #75751 sale 499.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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****Remembersearsdoes price match so compare to other Black Friday ads at HHGregg & other places.searsdoes tend to run high in my experience but they do price XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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match and have brands other than kenmore, barely, listed here. XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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These items are only on sale from 6 am till 11 AM XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Symphonic 27 in TV 148.62 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Symphonic dvd/vcr 98.87 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Apex DVD player 48.76 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kodak CX4300 Digital camera
memory Dock n go cradle compatiable.154.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
hotwheels , matchbox, tonka, or GI joe 20 pack vehicle assortment 10.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
HP computerw/monitor,printer CD writer/DVD combo drive 698.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Intel celeron processor 2.0 Ghz, 256MB DDR SDRAM memory, Integrated Intel extreme graphics with up to 64MB shared video memory, 60MB hard drive, Built in CD_WRITER/DVD combo drive, v.90 K%^flex data/fax modem, 10/100 baseT network interface, HP pavilion 17 inch color monitor, HP Deskjet 3320V photo quality color printer USB cable included) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
game boy advance with screen protector 49.68 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Roadmaster 300 watt speaker system 14.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Symphonic tv vcr combo 13in 89.74 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Quasar camcorder 208.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Eureka boss vacuum 35.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Black and decker 4 pack tool, screwdriver,sander,jigsaw,drill 49.96 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
regal 22 piece cookware 28.36 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
30 Quart turkey fryer 29.97 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
4 cup coffeemaker, mini chopper, electric knife,1 qt crockpot, sandwich maker 5.00 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Quest boys and girls 12,16,20 in bikes 24.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
mens and ladies 24, 26 in bikes 45.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
power wheels jeep 76.93 (wrangler jeep made for 1) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Nikko radio controlled vehicle 20.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Monopoly or trouble 4.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Purse fun barbie 5.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
barbie playset assortment or hotwheels playset 7.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Lego bionicles 5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
scooter Samantha 10.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
250 mega blocks, Jake the snake radio controlled 10.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
pop out skates 15.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
ladies leather boots 10.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
mens and youths hiking boots 10.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens and ladies fleece 4.36 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
girls and boys fleece 3.36 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
toddler and infants fleece 2.86 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
boys rustler jeans 6.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
infants and toddler jeans 5. XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
girls boot cut jeans 6. XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
ladies and mens faded glory jeans 7.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
basketball goal 56.43 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
special basketball 2.96 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
20in 14kt rope chain 19.97 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
25 count light set 3.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
singer sewing machine 88.67 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
6.5 pre lit Christmas tree 39.74 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
mens and ladies assortment watches 2 for 5.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Walmart Ad November 29 - December 5th XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Leap frog Quantum pad 39.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
My Scene barbie 13,67 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
10 pack barbie fashions 7.96 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
pop sensation Barbie 21.38 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Barbie talking townhouse 48.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Barbie Rapunzel carriage 26.82 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Barbie and ken as Rapunzel adn prince 17.76 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Fisher price sweet magic kitchen 72.84 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
zip n zoom shannen 25.83 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
power wheel jeep wrangler 197.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
barbie power wheel jeep 197.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
little tikes home improvement workshop 29.83 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
little tikes kitchen or workshop 25.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
hasbro magic start crawl and stand activity center 10.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
play doh safari playset 7.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Tonka spiderman web cycle with figure 6.00 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Candy land, toy story, memory, chutes and ladders, cootie , ants in XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
pants, 4.82 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
harry potter twin size sheets 14.94 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
guess who, twister,operation, bop it 10.96 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
casio full size keyboard 88.72 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
memorex karaoke machine 59.73 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
lenoxx personal CD player 17.77 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
venturer 5 cd stereo with remote 48.84 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
XBOX woth 3 games, jetset radio future,sega gt 2002, and amped XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
199.94 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Toddler snoopy table and chairs 29.46 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
14 foot trampoline 128.23 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Ozark trail 3 piece set 18.86 tent, sleeping bag, chair XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Stanley rolling tool chest 134.83 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Black and decker 14.4 cordless drill driver set 39.96 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Grab it go mop 23.74 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Eureka bagless Upright vacuum cleaner 86.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Gibson 116 piece dinnerware set 26.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Audiovox 5-Cd music system - $48 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
GoVideo dual-deck DVD/VCR - $138 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Monsters Inc, Beauty & The Beast, The Santa Clause, The Rookie - $11.97 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Phillips CD/DVD player $88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Playstation 2 Games (Street, Spy Hunter, Tony Hawk's ProSkater 3, Virtua Fighter) - $15 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Sit n Spin by Playschool - $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Daewoo 13" TV/VRC $111 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Vivitar PZ3115 DB 35mm camera - $59 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Bop It Extreme 2 - $12 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Geaorge Foreman The Champ Grill - $14.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
25ct. G30 or G40 globe lights - $5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Prologue by Moderna 3pc luggage set - $19 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Holiday jar and votive candles - $4.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
ProSpirit brushed fleece 1/4 zip pullover - $8.88(adults) $10.88 (mens xxl) $5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Take Along Thomas &Friends Work and play roundhouse - $17.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Take along Thomas & Friends travel tote - $11.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Lego building gift sets (Creator table w/172 pieces or baby gift set with 40 big ones) - $12.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Pink & Purple leap pad interacive learning system - $39.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Additional leap pad learning books - $14.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Electronic hand held games (Simon, Connect Four, Boggle, Classic football 2, Hangman, Yahtzee, Battlehip or Classic baseball) - $7.33 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Fisher-Price intelli-table - $39 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
MicroPets - $6.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Hotwheels vehicles - $.49 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Fisher-Price Rescue Heroes - $5.77 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Air Hogs R/C flying vehicles - $44.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Hot Wheels turbo jet city play set - $32.22 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Lincoln Logs 2-pk (Lonesome pine cabin & Maple woods trading post) - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Lite-Brite - $7.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Micro-Bratz - 2 for $5 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Diva Starz play sets - $7.67 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Fisher-Price Loving family home and stable dollhouse - $36.74 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Fisher-Price Volkswagon new beetle - $9.74 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Fisher-Price Loving family sweet streets (beach or country house) - $10 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Polly Pocket play sets - $6.74 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Baby Annabell doll - $29.74 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Additional baby annabell clothing - $9.74 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
G.I. Joe Night attack chopper - $23.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
12" G.I. Joe action figures - $4.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Power Rangers Megazord action figure or Red Wild warrior - $21.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Power Rangers Deluxe 6 1/2" figures $7.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Polly Pockets snacktime scooter - $5.13 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Barbie (Sroll n play or mermaid fantasy) - $8.87 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Palm beach barbie and friends - $2.92 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Huggable toys (Hug me scooby doo, eye popping spongebob or babbling spongebob) - $12.94 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2-pk Barbie sets - $8.98 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Popular Games (Taboo, The Simpsons Clue, G.I. Joe Commando Attack, Opperation Brain Surgery, Barbie Says, Screwy Looey, Throw Me a Bone, Electronic Super Kerplunk, The Worst Case Scenario game and Silly6Pins) - $17 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Action-packed games (Uno Deluxe, Ker Plunk, Pet Rescue Game, XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Monopoly, Lets Go Fishin, Scrabble Junior, Pooh Candy Land, Yellow Brick Road Game and charades for kids) $8 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Candyland or Chutes and Ladders - $4 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Uno Attack- $14 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Hello Kitty Accent lamp, wall mirror, hair dryer, rechargable toothbrush or lighted make-up mirror - $15 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Bean bag chair - $16 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Novelty lights (Ball of lite, Martini neon light or bubble lite with fish) - $13.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Photo frames in merry-go-round, triple gear, revolving wheel, spoke wheel and more styles - $9.77 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Wine and party accesories (beaded bottle cover, 4-ct napkin rings, place card holders or bottle stoppers) - $5.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Norelco MicroAction Plus corded razor - $29.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Braun Flex XP rechargable shaver - $49.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Norelco Quadra Action cordless rechargeable razor - $69.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Norelco advantage cordless rechargeable shaver - $94.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Braun Syncro system with cleaning unit and automatic charger - $109.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Norelco Spectra cordless rechargeable shaver - $114.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Revlon Messager w/ infrared heat - $14.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Conair bath mat w/ heated bubbles - $29.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Conair foot bath w/ heat and bubbles - $14.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Braun Oral-B 3D Excel - %4.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Sonicare Personal - $69.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2-pk Sonicare brush heads - $19.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Emerson 1000-watt microwave oven - $48.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Shark canister vac - $78.49 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Dirt Devil Extra light bagless 12-amp vac - $78.49 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Black and Decker 12 cup coffee maker, 2-speed blender, mini food processor, sandwich maker or individual coffeemaker with stainless steel mug - $14.88 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Black and Decker toaster oven - $22.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Melitta Mill & Brew coffee maker - $56.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Bissell Spot lifter compact cordless deep cleaner - $19.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Dirt Devil hand vac - $19.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Quick Chop - $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
14x17" polysafe cutting board - $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Trent 1.5 qt. teakettle from Copco - $8.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
10% off all other copco tea kettles XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
14-pc anchor glass bakeware set - $16.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
10% off other selected Anchor Hocking bakeware XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Stovetop popcorn popper by Back to Basics - $18.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
10% off all Back to Basics popcorn accesories XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Chefmate roaster with rack - $14.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
14pc Mirro easy-clean cookset - $39.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
11pc meat fondue set or 16pc cheese and chocolate fondue set - $22.22 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
20-pc Holiday Charm dinnerware set - $8 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
5.4 gal stainless steel step can with bonus 10" step can by Home - $14.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
20% off all other Home trash cans XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Samsung Diginax 350S digital camera - $248.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Lexar 64Mb card - $38 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
15% off all other Lexar digital media XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Concord digital/web cam - $44.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
SureShot 105 35mm zoom camera - $98.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Kodak Advantix T700 APS camera - $79.77 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Samsung Hi8 camcorder - $249.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
TDK Hi8 camcorder tapes 4-pk - $13.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Photosmart 320 digital camera - $149.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Palm M125 8MB handheld PC - $129.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Audiovox DVD/CD home theater system - $139.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Canon S200 color inkjet printer - $34.77 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Hello Kitty CD boombox - $39.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Phillips personal CD player w/ remote control - $39.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Jensen CD shower radio - $39.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Panasonic 220-watt music system - $148.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Motorola 2.4 GHz Caller ID cordless phone - $44.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Motorola 2.4 GHz digital answering system and caller ID phone - $64.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Sony 4-head hi-fi VCR - $89.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Sony DVD/CD player - $129.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Sony DVD/VCR space saver - $249.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mixman DM2 digital music mixer - $39.97 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Sony 12-pk T-120 vhs tapes - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Sony 8-pk T-160 vhs tapes - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Memorex 30-pk CD-R discs - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Memorex 25-pk Cool colors CD-R discs - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Black Knight, Behing Enemy Lines, Shallow Hal, Don't Say a Word, From Hell or Joyride DVDs - $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets computer game - $29.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Treasue Planet Battle of Procyon comp. game - $24.76 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Medal of Honor Spearhead comp. game - $24.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
The Sims deluxe edition comp. game - $32.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Backyard baseball or basketball comp. game - $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Disney coaster comp game - $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Skateboard park tycoon - $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Gamecube limited edition bundle w/ super smash bros. melee - $149.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Gamecube games (Metroaid Prime, Mario Party 4, Harry Potter) - $49.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Gamecube game Sonic Mega Collection - $39.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
X-Box games (Tony Hawks Proskater 4, Dead to Rights, Reign of Fire, Turok evolution) - $37.88 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
X-Box games Conflict: Desert Storm ($44.88), Time Splitters 2 ($49.99), NHL 2003 ($49.99), Lord of The Rings ($49.99) Playstation 2 game system - $199.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Playstation 2 games - NBA live ($49.99), Grand Theft Auto Vice City XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Shrek Super Party ($34.88), Suikoden ($39.99), Shinobi ($49.99), XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Contra ($44.99), XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Spyro Enter the dragonfly ($44.88), Minority Report Everybody Runs ($39.88) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Playstation 2 games (Fishermans Bass Club or Hard Hitter Tennis) - $9 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Gameboy Advance games (Frogger's Adventures, Madden 2003 or Lego Racers 2) - $9 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Playstation games (Putter Golf, RC Helicopter or Chess) - $5 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Leatherman Juice Multitools (C2 or S2) - $32 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Leatherman Juice Multitools (CS4 or KF4) - $37 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
2-pk Thermos travel tumblers - $7 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Queen-size Comfort-Rest airbed and pump - $25 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Greatland captain's chair - $6 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
eTrex global positioning systems by Garmin - $89 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Ear grips ear warmers - $10 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Skates (VFX Gear boys Galaxyin-line skates, girls twilight in-line skates, Fireball quad roller skates or Urban Rider roller shoes) - $13 pair XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
26" spacesaucer snow sled - 2 for $5 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Electronic dart boards (Mach 1 or Challenger DX2500) - $13 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Fisher-Price 10" bikes (School bus bike and tricycle) - $15 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Activity Sports Sets (3-pk mini sport balls, 2-pk playground balls, or boys or girls bike accesory gift sets) - $5 each XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Nickelodeon Rocket Power skateboard - $15 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
20% off all other skateboards XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Build and Paint craft kits - $8.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Armor All gift box - $20 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Taylor body fat analyzer and scale - $35 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
95-pc Durabuilt mechanics tool set - $17.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Restore and Restyle kids storage organizers w/ removable bins - $45 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
VersaPak 3-tool cordless combo kit - $45 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Black and Decker 14.4V cordless reversible drill - $45 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Black and Decker power tools (Variable speed rotary saw, 3.4-amp XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Navigator-powered handsaw or Mega Mouse 4-in-1 sander/polisher) - $59.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
5-position drill/driver - $49.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
85th anniversary Black and Decker 14.4 cordless drill/driver kit - $99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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more target XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Infants and toddlers Tykes thermals (Union suit or 2-pc long john set) - $3.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Infants and toddlers sweaters (Infants and toddlers Girls circo chenille or acrylic styles and toddler boys cherokee acrylic and cotton styles) - $6.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Infants and toddlers girls circo leggings - $3.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Girls 4-16 boot-cut pants - $5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Boys and girls 4-14 circo long underwear sets - $5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Girls 4-16 Cherokee sweater (Ribber cotton crewneck or turtleneck) - $6.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Girls 4-16 circo pants (Denim jeans or cordoroys) - $7.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Boys and girls 4-16 Circo flannel sleep pants or tees - $5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Boys 4-16 Cherokee sweater (Cotton crewneck with raglan sleeves or solid color mock turtleneck) - $6.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Boys 4-16 Legendary Gold Jeans - $7.44 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens Cherokee long sleeve cotton tee - $5.99 (XXL- $7.99) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens Cherokee cotton flannel pants - $7.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens Cherokee 5-pocket cotton denim jeans, carpenter jeans or carpenter pants - $9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens character boxer shorts - $5.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens Cherokee Mock turtleneck in solid colors - $7.99 (XXL - $9.99) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens Therma Thins lightweight thermals (Top or pants) - $5.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens Cherokee pique polo in solid colors - 7.99 (extended sizes - $9.99) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Mens pro-spirit brushed fleece pants - $9.99 (XXL- $9.99) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens Cherokee cotton interlock turtleneck - $4.88 (Sizes x-3x $6.88) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens Cherokee cotton interlock tee with long sleeves - $5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens Cherokee cotton/rayon tee with long sleeves - $5.88 (X-3X $7.88) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens Cherokee knit cardigan - $7.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Matching short-sleeve crewneck - $5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens Cherokee jeans (5-pocket or carpenter) - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens Cherokee cotton jersey tee (v-neck or crewneck with long sleeves) - $5.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Xhilaration chenille robes - $18.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Xhilaration Knit pajamas - $9.88 (XXL - $11.88) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Xhiliration slipper socks - $4.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens plush sluppers - $4 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Childrens character sock-top slippers - $5 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Adults gift box slippers - $15 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Chenille hat or gloves - 2 for $4 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Girls and toddler girls dress shoes - $7.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens dress shoes - $14.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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FREE GIFT with fine jewelry purchase - A marcasite with genuine garnet necklace and earring set is your gift when you purchase $29 or more in 10k gold, 14k gold, sterling silver or gold-over-sterling silver jewelry. A $29.99 value XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Holiday Costume jewelry - $5.94 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
14k gold-filled pendants - $11.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Boxed Holiday greeting cards - $2.49-$9.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
7 1/2' slim Oregon Pine Artificial tree - $79.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
6 1/2' Chelsea Pine Artificial tree - $69.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
3' Highland Fir artificial tree - $14.99 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Free bear with purchase - Buy any three 12 or 13 oz hersheys holiday bagged XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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chocolates and get a free Hersheys 2002 plush Cuddly bear XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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Hersheys 12 or 13 oz holiday bagged chocolates - $2.19 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Novelty stocking stuffers (7oz theatre size gobstopper snow balls, 2oz holida M&M XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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filled cane and 7oz Hersheys holiday milk chocolate bar) - 4 for $3 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Holiday candy tins (Mini spiderman lunchbox, telephone booth w/ 9.4oz peanut m&ms, Barbie purse w/ 4oz chocolate treats, Nascar car w/ candy & selected others) 2 for $6 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
The Sing Machine CD+G karaoke system - $38.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Audiovox Digital CD boombox w/ cassette deck - $24.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Audiovox personal CD player w/ digital fm radio and 45 sec anti- skip - $24.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Womens Cherokee Chenille Sweaters - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Girls 4-16 Circo mock turtleneck or cardigan - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Trivial Pursuit 20th Anniversary edition - $25 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Easy Bake Oven and Snack Center - $9.88 XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
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* Save $10 off any purchase of $100 or more XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Buy 2 get 3rd free GBA or GB Color accessories XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $40 on XBox value pack (includes racing wheel) XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* 2 for $30 on any regulary priced $19.99 PS2 title XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $20 with the purchase of the Nintendo GBA Platinum & Pro Gamers kit XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $10 on spider man game pack or super mario sunshine game pack XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save 50% on GBA and GBC bags XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Buy 2 get 3rd free GBA or GBC games XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $10 Intec Racing wheel XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $10 Hasbro e-kara Pro headset XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $10 DVD/CD player XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* $9.99 your choice on all music cd titles XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $10 Tonka Dusty My Talking Tool Bench XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $5 Tonka Claw Vehicle XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $5 Elite Operations Playset Bucket XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $4 Ziods Deluxe Action Figure Motorized model kits XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $7 shining star bears XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $5 You&Me 22" Baby Darling Gift set XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $5 Polly Pocket Carry alongs XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $10 Belle's Magic Playset XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $10 Discovery Sound Playsets XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $7 Upholstered furnishings XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Buy One Get One Free on ANY Mega Blocks Gyro Fighters XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $1 Holiday candy XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save 20% Shrinky Dinks Maker XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $5 Lite-Brite XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $5 Hasbro Hand-Held Electronic Games XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $3 eBay Auction and Torx electronic games XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Buy one get one Free on ANY First Play-A-Sound Book XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $50 Little Tikes Magic Sounds Playhouse XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $30 16" Boys rebound or Girls Majestic Bike XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $20 Fisher-Price Tuff Flatables XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save 50% 5 in 1 Sports Center XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save $20 Radio Flyer Discovery Wagon XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save 50% Baskin Robbins Ice Cream Cake Maker XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save 60% Fashion Snap Patti Doll XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save over 55% off Large Diva Starz Dools XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
* Save over 30% off Spider-Man Off Road adventure Vehicle XxXxX XxXxX XxXxX
Loneliness is a power that we possess to give or take away forever
Lameness filter fix - Best Buy
:
.2 megapixel, 2X digital zoom amd 16 MD internal memory Dock n go cradle compatiable.154.00
Lameness filter fix - Lexmark X73 multifunction printer (less than $100)
Lameness filter fix - Kodak Digital Camera (i think $100, not sure of model)
Lameness filter fix - Monsters Inc., Beauty & The Beast, Grease DVD $12.99
Lameness filter fix - Shania Twain Up, 8 Mile Soundtrack, Eminem The Eminem Show, 3 Doors Down, U2 The Best Of 1990-2000 CD $8.99
Lameness filter fix - Panasonic 45 sec No Skip CD Player(SLSX388) $39.99-$10 IR-$5 BB MIR= $24.99
Lameness filter fix - Precision CDR Discs 40x 80 Min 2 pack 150 total Disc bundle (5770075) $26-$26 MIR
Lameness filter fix - FREE Curtis 3 CD Shelf System (RCD855) $37.99
Lameness filter fix - DVD/CD Player [model may vary by store] (CH-DVD 402/2110) $69.99-$30 MIR= $39.99
Lameness filter fix - ALL Wireless phones regularly $149.99 and below are FREE (after MIR) with new activation
Lameness filter fix - 75GB 7200 WD (WD750BBRTL)/KByte 256MB PC133 RAM (6432ZZGSEM) BUNDLE $219.98-$60 IR-$109.99 Bundle MIR= $49.99
Lameness filter fix - AVorcent 48x12x48x CDRW (RWJ-481S) $59.99-$30 MIR-$20 MIR= $9.99
Lameness filter fix - Kodak EasyShare 2 Megapixel Digital Camera (CX4200) $99.99
Lameness filter fix - Daewoo 25" Stereo TV (DTQ25S3FC) $159.99-$10 MIR= $149.99
Lameness filter fix - KLH 160 Watt Home Theater System (HA7000/HA9000) $159.99-$30 MIR= $129.99
Lameness filter fix - eMachines Celeron 2.0Ghz Computer 256MB DDR SDRAM, 40GB HDD, 40x CDRW, 6 USB 2.0 ports (T2040) $549.99-$250 MIR = $299.99
Lameness filter fix - SAME MACHINE AS ABOVE + 15" Samsung LCD Monitor (151V) $919.98-$250 MIR-$100 MIR-$70 Samsung MIR= $499.98
Staples:
Black Friday 7AM - 10AM. Remember they have 14 days price guarantee. Should have info on non 7AM-10AM soon. Good luck.
Lameness filter fix - 499667, 499449 scanner $79.98 - $63 mir = $16.98
Lameness filter fix - 493300 Ezonics PC Camera 2pk $59.98 - $25 is - $25 mir = $9.94
Lameness filter fix - 496430 30gb 7200 rpm HD $79.98 - $50 mir = $29.98 ß isn't there another valid rebate?
Lameness filter fix - 488960 cendyne 40x12x48 burner $59.98 - $50 mir = $9.98
Lameness filter fix - 457057 Palm m500 $144.99 - $15 is = $129.99 plus get 484854 accessory kit $39.99 - $15 is - $25 mir = FREE plus get 499648 Austin Powers Pinball game $2.99 - $2.99 is = FREE
Lameness filter fix - 466913 HP PSC950 $199.98 - $50 mir = $149.98
Lameness filter fix - 493000 HP 940 remanufactured $79.98 - $10 is - $30 mir = $39.98
Lameness filter fix - 469920 HP 318 $139.98 - $10 is - $50 mir = $79.94
Lameness filter fix - 463438, 480124 Sandisk 128 CF or smart media $69.98 - $32 is $10 mir = $27.94
Lameness filter fix - 478328 PNY 512 ram $129.98 - $80 is - $20 mir = $29.98
Lameness filter fix - 473998 Zline Corner Desk $49.94 (after 50pct savings)
Lameness filter fix - 490583 Envision 775e $164.98 - $87 mir = $77.98
Lameness filter fix - 450433 Envision 15" LCD $359.98 - $60 is - $100 mir = $199.94
Lameness filter fix - 496731 100pk cdr $37.98 - $18 is - $20 mir = FREE
Lameness filter fix - 489577 25pk jewel cases $9.98 - $6 is - $4 mir = FREE
Lameness filter fix - 498449 5 sheet shredder $13.94 - $5 mir = $8.94
Some other items good Fri & Sat.
430251 HP G85 $199.98
047298 Sharp AL800 $199.98
443412 ATP3 Speakers $79.98 - $20 is - $30 mir
496442 Cendyne DVDr/rw $299.99 - $50 is - $50 mir = $199.94
479814 DVD rom $79.98 - $20 is - $20 mir = $39.94
496741 2pk 4-port USB hub $29.98 - $10 is - $10 mir = $9.94 ß guessing USB 1
457395 PNY 256 $69.98 - $45 is - $15 mir = $9.94
491698 Cobra 104 $49.99 - $20 is - $10 mir = $19.94
425803 Scotch tape dispenser $3.29 - $3.29 mir = FREE water 2 cases for $9
450431 Envision 19" $199.98 - $100 mir = $99.98
$150 mire desktop pc package or laptop
$100 is on most bto pc & monitor package
$200 is on bto desktop or laptop
Office Max
HP G85 $200
Cendyne (ltd-163) dvd FAR (free after rebate) 2 mir's, around $30 each.
Verbatim 48x cd-rw $20 AR
Hi-Val 100pk cdr and Khypermedia (trash) 100pk cdr FAR
100pk slim jewel cases FAR
Go Video DVD/VHS player $100 The box didn't say video cd capable, but I think this is the link
0223-5986 HP G85 $200
2014-8190 16x dvd FAR 20mir/25mir
2021-6375/2021-3895/2018-2491 48x12x48 cd-rw $20, 30
2014-6496 dvd-r/rw $170, 50
2021-9194/2021-9201 2.1megapixel camera 100
0223-7387 FRS 110 $15, 10/10
2013-2660 5 piece speakers Altec Lansing $20, 10
2022-5203 Phonemate 2.4ghz phone $10, 10
2003-9156 Palm m500 $120, 25
2008-6256 Kingston pc133 128mb FAR, 15/5
2021-9210,2022--8344,1426-7633,2022-6729 Argus 2.1 camera, 64cf, cf reader and epson c42 $200, 30/20
2021-3886 personal cd player $15, 10
2022-7087 Go video dual deck vhs/dvd (4300 I think) $100, 30/15
2006-8800/2006-8784 Hi-Val 100pk cd-r FAR, 20
2018-7245 Khypermedia 100pk cd-r FAR, 20
2016-1502 100pk Jewel case FAR, 5/5
The rest are all FAR with rebates under $15:
Passive speakers, Keyboard(2003-9316), IBM 2 button mouse, HI-Val
modem, Belkin pci nic, Cyber Acoustics Microphone ("be careful with that mic"-
clutch) Sunburst pen, rca vhs tape, belkin 8 outlet surge protector, 10pk floppy, 32
cd wallet(2002-1924/2020-1880)
Okay I'm almost afraid to post after the last time LOL! Anyway this
again is taken from another board.
KMART
5am - 11am only:
twin,full,queen comforters 12.99
ladies basic edition holiday fleece buy one get one free
buy one get one 50pct off trim a home 100 ct fauceted bulb, 100 ct heavy duty or 140 ct. mini light set
hershey's mars and nestle holdiday candy buy one get one free
men's lambskin leather jacket 49.99
knighstbridge boxers buy one get one free
4 pack cootie games 9.99
diva starz 9.99
bob the builder or wendy talking plush 5.00
tool source 120 pc home repair or 128 pc tool set 17.99
lasonic dvd/cd/mp3 68.99
hamilton beach 6 slice toaster oven 29.99
george forman party grill with bonus george forman grill 37.77
hanes or jerzee fleece buy one get one free
14 kt gold earrings reg. 59.99 $9.99
10kt 3mm rope earrings,ring or bracelets reg.59.99 13.99 supersize pillows 2 for 5.00
swivel-glider recliner with ottoman 89.99
barbie pose me pets funky trunk 12.49
lovemates slippers 2.49
buy one get one 50pct off all legos
free martha stewart holiday baking magazine with any purchase limited to first 300 customers receive a $10 reward valid thruy 12-8-02 for spending $50.friday and saturday lowest prices of the season on:
polly pocket world park 16.99
disney uno 6.99
hot wheels turbo jet city 34.99
power rangers goggles 8.99
tonka force vehicle 4.99
buy one get one free all nascar die cast vehicles
thunder spring horse 46.99
thomas the tank 78.86
hot wheels monster truck 7.99
tyco humvee 14.99
hot wheels 5 pack cars 2.99
buy one get one 50pct all radio control batteries
buy one get one free boys basic edition ribbed tops or cargo will pants
mens yarn dyed flannel shirts 4.99
buy one get one free all basic edition socks
ladies holiday sweaters 19.99
buy one get one 50pct off bath and body and fragrance sets
19.99 jewelry boxes are 9.99
martha stewart 3 star pillows, evertday towels, bath accessories are buy one get one 50pct off
all family collection towels buy one get one 50pct off
all single or multiroll holiday wrapping paper buy one get one 50pct off
sharp microwave 46.99
lexmark printer 49.99 (with bonus cable software and paper)
memorex 30 pack data cd-r 6.99
30 pack memorex music cd-r 9.99
monsters inc vhs 10.95
certain holiday vhs 88cents or dvd's 2.50
13" tv/vcr combo 124.99 curtis mathis
boys 12" uproar or girls 12" dream bikes 19.99
16" pretty lady or boys gauntlet bikes 39.99
20" malibu or busted bikes 59.99
Thanksgiving Day
buy one get one free all hasbro, bradley or parker board games
buy one get one 50pct all ornaments and lights
20" apex tv 99.99
ritz, cheese nips buy one get one free
miracle whip or mayo 99cents
barbie pose me pets 4.99
bratz doll 9.99
power ranger figures buy one get one free
tabletop relaxation fountain 7.88
girls, boys 20" or men's 24" or 26" bikes 59.99
mega bloks wave racer or blue thunder 9.99
galileo or wireless thermometer 9.99
sears
Ok and the ad states Nov 29-30th. again there is no mention of these
deals being available online. I'll put item No. s in case anyone wants to compare
current price online.
Save 50pct off:
No. 34251 craftsman 251 pc mechanic's tool set 149.99 sale pr
No. 33963 craftsman 63 pc mechanic's tool set 29.99 sale pr
No. 34551 craftsman 2 pc socket accessory set 19.99 sale
No. 30385 companion 101 pc automotive repair set 24.99 sale
No. 30567 companion 67 pc tool set 17.49 sale
No. 31484 craftsman bar clamp 9.99 sale
No. 49032 craftsman deep read stud finder 9.99 sale
No. 82082 craftsman digital multi meter 9.99 sale
No. 17711 craftsman 1.5 peak HP, 2 gal wet/dry vac 19.99 sale
No. 10173 craftsman 3/8 in drill 19.99 sale
No. 11412 craftsman 7.2 volt drill 19.99 sale
No. 40411 craftsman large mouth tool bag 9.99 sale
No. 73915 cord reel with 100w worklight 9.99 sale
No. 34553&34554 3/8 in drive rachet w/9 sockets 9.99 sale
No. 42000&42001 gear wrench 7 pc wrench set 39.99 sale
No. 33975 craftsman 75 pc mechanic's tool set 49.99 sale
No. 46935&46936 craftsman 26 pc wrench set 49.99 sale
No. 33122 craftsman 122 pc mechanic's tool set 79.99 sale
No. 42406&42407 craftsman 7 pc ratcheting wrench set 89.99 sale
No. 50523 craftsman 2 1/4 ton jack w/case 29.99 sale
No. 53975 craftsman 1/2 HP garage door opener 149.99 sale
(159.99 on sears.com now)
No. 50190 craftsman motorcycle jack 99.99 sale
No. 65904,65905,65120 craftsman 13 drawer storage combo
279.99 when you buy all 3 plus free 3 drawer chest
No. 59975 craftsman 5 drawer premium tool center 77.00 sale
FREE air tools 139$ value when you buy either air compressor
No. 16553 craftsman air compressor 30 gal vertical 299.99 sale
No. 16554 craftsman air compressor 33 gal horizontal 299.99 sale
No. 41816 craftsman 18 pc screwdriver set 19.99 sale
No. 41819 craftsman 24 pc screwdriver set 29.99 sale
No. 44664 craftsman 3pc adj wrench set 19.99 sale
No. 45713 craftsman 3pc locking pliers set 29.99 sale
No. 45243 craftsman 3 pc pliers set 19.99 sale
No. 37310 craftsman prof accu-cut 19.99 sale
No. 43278 craftsman 3pc pry bar set 29.99
No. 42303 craftsman 2pc clench wrench set 29.99
No. 47000&47001 craftsman 9pc wrench set 19.99
No. 65482 Keter rolling tool cart 29.99 sale
No. 65432 craftsman 20 in tool box 9.99 sale
No. 59338 craftsman 3 drawer chest 39.99 sale
No. 65796 craftsman adj height clamping table 49.99 sale
No. 65204 craftsman 5 drawer proj ctr 88.00 sale
No. 17777 craftsman wet/dry vac 79.99 sale
No. 15210 craftsman oil-lubed compressor 99.99 sale
No. 16528&16529 craftsman compressor combo kit 199.99 sale
No. 10850 craftsman 7 1/4 in circular saw 29.99 sale
No. 11680 craftsman mouse sander w/case 39.99 sale
No. 11501 craftsman 4 in grinder kit w/case 39.99
No. 61097 craftsman var speed rotary tool kit w/carry bag 39.99 sal
No. 26946 craftsman prof 3/8 in drill w/case 39.99 sale
No. 11415 craftsman 16.8 volt drill w/hand vac kit w/case 69.88 closeout
No. 25755 drill doctor drill bit sharpener 79.99 sale
No. 26185 craftsman 85 pc speedlok set 89.99 sale
No. 24888 craftsman 10in bench-top table saw w/stand 199.00 sale
No. 21250 craftsman 10in compound aluminum miter saw w/laser
Trac cutting guide 199.00 sale
No. 26466 craftsman prof router table 89.99
No. 11715 craftsman 3x21 in belt sander 59.99
No. 17574 craftsman 8 amp router 59.99
No. 23223 tradesman 10 in miter saw 88.00
No. 21409 craftsman 9 in band saw 119.99
No. 21610 craftsman 16 in variable speed scroll saw 119.99
No. 21830 craftsman 10 in jobsite table saw 349.99
Appliances
Samsung Microwave No. 70012 sale priced 29.99 (after 15$ sav & 10$ mail in rebate)
Samsung Microwave No. 70212 sale priced 64.99 after 10$ savings & 10$ mail in rebate)
Kenmore Microwave/toaster combo No. 62292 sale priced 119.99
Friday only 0pct financing on all home appliances
Kenmore super capacity washer No. 22422 sale 277.00
Kenmore extra large capacity dryer No. 64202 sale 269.99
Maytag Oversized Capacity Plus washer No. 37642 sale 469.99
Maytag Oversized Capacity Plus dryer No. 47642 sale 399.99
Kenmore High-efficiency washer No. 43042 sale 649.99
Kenmore xtra large cap dryer No. 83042 sale 399.99
Kenmore Extra large cap washer No. 13202 sale 249.99
Kenmore xtra large cap dryer No. 63112 closeout sale 239.88
Kenmore Sup Cap washer No. 23812 sale 399.99
Kenmore Sup Cap dryer No. 62612 closeout sale 299.88
Kenmore fridge No. 71822 18.2 cu ft sale 449.99
Frigidaire fridge No. 88892 18.2 cu ft sale 399.88 closeout
Kenmore fridge No. 52572 25.2 cu ft sale 999.88 closeout
Whirlpool fridge No. 36502 25 cu ft sale 899.99
Kenmore fridge No. 62822 18.5 cu ft sale 649.99
Kenmore dishwasher No. 17502 sale 399.99
Kenmore dishwasher No. 16121 sale 188.00
Kenmore dishwasher No. 16522 sale 277.00
Kenmore range No. 95212 sale 359.99
Kenmore gas range No. 72112 sale 299.88 closeout
Kenmore electr range No. 93751 sale 399.99
Kenmore gas range No. 75751 sale 499.99
Remember sears does price match so compare to other Black Friday ads at HHGregg & other places.searsdoes tend to run high in my experience but they do price match and have brands other than kenmore, barely, listed here.
WAL MART
These items are only on sale from 6 am till 11 AM
Symphonic 27 in TV 148.62
Symphonic dvd/vcr 98.87
Apex DVD player 48.76
Kodak CX4300 Digital camera
hotwheels , matchbox, tonka, or GI joe 20 pack vehicle assortment 10.00
HP computerw/monitor,printer CD writer/DVD combo drive 698.00 (Computer info: Intel celeron processor 2.0 Ghz, 256MB DDR SDRAM memory, Integrated Intel extreme graphics with up to 64MB shared video memory, 60MB hard drive, Built In CD_WRITER/DVD combo drive, v.90 Kpct^flex data/fax modem, 10/100 baseT Network interface, HP pavilion 17 inch color monitor, HP Deskjet 3320V photo
Quality color printer USB cable included)
game boy advance with screen protector 49.68
Roadmaster 300 watt speaker system 14.88
Symphonic tv vcr combo 13in 89.74
Quasar camcorder 208.00
Eureka boss vacuum 35.00
Black and decker 4 pack tool, screwdriver,sander,jigsaw,drill 49.96
regal 22 piece cookware 28.36
30 Quart turkey fryer 29.97
4 cup coffeemaker, mini chopper, electric knife,1 qt crockpot, sandwich maker 5.00 each
Quest boys and girls 12,16,20 in bikes 24.00
mens and ladies 24, 26 in bikes 45.00
power wheels jeep 76.93 (wrangler jeep made for 1)
Nikko radio controlled vehicle 20.00
Monopoly or trouble 4.44
Purse fun barbie 5.00
barbie playset assortment or hotwheels playset 7.00
Lego bionicles 5.88
scooter Samantha 10.00
250 mega blocks, Jake the snake radio controlled 10.00
pop out skates 15.00
ladies leather boots 10.00
mens and youths hiking boots 10.00
Mens and ladies fleece 4.36
girls and boys fleece 3.36
toddler and infants fleece 2.86
boys rustler jeans 6.00
infants and toddler jeans 5.
girls boot cut jeans 6.
ladies and mens faded glory jeans 7.00
basketball goal 56.43
special basketball 2.96
20in 14kt rope chain 19.97
25 count light set 3.00
singer sewing machine 88.67
6.5 pre lit Christmas tree 39.74
mens and ladies assortment watches 2 for 5.00
Walmart Ad November 29 - December 5th
Leap frog Quantum pad 39.88
My Scene barbie 13,67
10 pack barbie fashions 7.96
pop sensation Barbie 21.38
Barbie talking townhouse 48.88
Barbie Rapunzel carriage 26.82
Barbie and ken as Rapunzel adn prince 17.76
Fisher price sweet magic kitchen 72.84
zip n zoom shannen 25.83
power wheel jeep wrangler 197.00
barbie power wheel jeep 197.00
little tikes home improvement workshop 29.83
little tikes kitchen or workshop 25.44
hasbro magic start crawl and stand activity center 10.00
play doh safari playset 7.00
Tonka spiderman web cycle with figure 6.00
Candy land, toy story, memory, chutes and ladders, cootie , ants in
pants, 4.82
harry potter twin size sheets 14.94
guess who, twister,operation, bop it 10.96
casio full size keyboard 88.72
memorex karaoke machine 59.73
lenoxx personal CD player 17.77
venturer 5 cd stereo with remote 48.84
XBOX woth 3 games, jetset radio future,sega gt 2002, and amped 199.94
Toddler snoopy table and chairs 29.46
14 foot trampoline 128.23
Ozark trail 3 piece set 18.86 tent, sleeping bag, chair
Stanley rolling tool chest 134.83
Black and decker 14.4 cordless drill driver set 39.96
Grab it go mop 23.74
Eureka bagless Upright vacuum cleaner 86.44
Gibson 116 piece dinnerware set 26.88
TARGET
Audiovox 5-Cd music system - $48
GoVideo dual-deck DVD/VCR - $138
Monsters Inc, Beauty & The Beast, The Santa Clause, The Rookie - $11.97 each
Phillips CD/DVD player $88
Playstation 2 Games (Street, Spy Hunter, Tony Hawk's ProSkater 3, Virtua Fighter) - $15 each
Sit n Spin by Playschool - $9.99
Daewoo 13" TV/VRC $111
Vivitar PZ3115 DB 35mm camera - $59
Bop It Extreme 2 - $12
Geaorge Foreman The Champ Grill - $14.88
25ct. G30 or G40 globe lights - $5.88
Prologue by Moderna 3pc luggage set - $19
Holiday jar and votive candles - $4.88
ProSpirit brushed fleece 1/4 zip pullover - $8.88(adults) $10.88 (mens xxl) $5.88 (boys and girls)
Take Along Thomas &Friends Work and play roundhouse - $17.88
Take along Thomas & Friends travel tote - $11.88
Lego building gift sets (Creator table w/172 pieces or baby gift set with 40 big ones) - $12.88
Pink & Purple leap pad interacive learning system - $39.99
Additional leap pad learning books - $14.99
Electronic hand held games (Simon, Connect Four, Boggle, Classic football 2, Hangman, Yahtzee, Battlehip or Classic baseball) - $7.33
Fisher-Price intelli-table - $39
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"While we believe that sale prices are facts and can not be copyrighted, We have made the business decision to comply with the dmca notifications.
Our reasoning for this is very simple - Our mission is to serve consumers - If we were to choose to fight this battle, It would require more resources than are available - and we would no longer be able to serve consumers"
The new emerging corporate tactic is to threaten a lawsuit against a company (or individuals) that can't afford to defend themselves even if the lawsuit would be groundless.
We are now living in a world where corporate rights are being elevated above the rights of individuals. The small guy cannot afford to defend himself nor has he the assets to lobby our government in an effort to get it to do the right thing.
In the spirit of truthfulness, may I make a change suggestion for the Pledge of Allegiance?
"...with liberty and justice for all who can afford to buy it."
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
Specify the price with one dollar more and then spell out "minus one dollar".
:)
If you use this you are in violation of the DMCA so make your own number,... Oh wait then you'll be in violation of a patent law.
It's all perfectly accustomed so you* can't win.
*you = the person with less money to throw on lawyers
I observe Buy Nothing Day. Not only do I despise traffic, crowds and malls, but I like to send whatever tiny message to the retail world that I actively resist marketing.
That said, I still think that the DMCA, as well as illegitimate uses of it such as this one, reek worse than the proverbial warthog's bunghole.
In other news, astrophysicists have announced that they now know what all that dark matter is: it's stupidity.
These are Unpublished prices, so they don't fall under DMCA. They are still secret until the newspaper prints them. All the employees are bound by legal contract not to discuss this information. They are right to ask these to be pulled down; they are using the wrong law as information cannot be restricted. If I coppied the ad page that would be infringing, but the information on the page is fair game.
Once again, the DMCA doesn't apply--but of course tell it to the bankruptcy lawyer when they sue you into oblivion!
I think they should have a law that requires that lawyers get disbarred for threatening legal action where they know that there is no actionable issue at hand. And the client corporations should be made liable for financial and punitive damages for false legal threats.
you need to post a jackass tag on your forehead
If it's not about copyright, then why did the nastygrams invoke the DM-C-as-in-copyright-A?
Sounds like good grounds to sue Wal-Mart, et al on the grounds of the DMCA's perjury clause.
Exactly.
They could say "Stop posting our prices because we said so" and that would be enough to stop FatWallet from posting because the cost of fighting WalMart in court, even for a ludricous charge is too much. Big companies know this and therefore don't care if the claim is valid or not, cause 99% of the people they bully aren't going to do anything about it.
Having worked as a tech, and 'Software Supervisor' for Best Buy, I can tell you the first thing we did before the Store opened was change all the prices that came down from Corporate. They were all updated, and printed automatically based on the 'secret shopper', and other competitors Ads. So we'd spend an hour changing prices on everything from 900Mhz phones to printer cables, to Computer systems.
I think they're just pissed they're paying so much for advertising (which is layed out weeks in advance), and their target audience isn't actually reading the papers.
(Did you notice how I had to change prices for [part of what we called OPENING] the dept I wasn't REALLY responsible for? Bastards.)
"I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
A mind is a terrible thing to waste..., or what a waste it is to lose ones mind, or something like that.
Keep passing the open windows...
The goal of a protest is to 1) get people to listen to your message 2) get them to understand your message. After that they will make up their own minds.
...If you do a funny puppet show on the DMCA in the parking lot people will be curious, come up to you, and ask "What's the DMCA?". Just be there with some short and easy to understand fliers with ways to get more information. Be prepared to answer questions and explain your position. Don't be combative and don't exaggerate. Let them make up their own minds, your goal is just to inform.
Stunts get attention. The point of a stunt isn't to 'punish' the stores, but to do something out of the ordinary that will get noticed by the audiences that you want to get your message to.
It's a lot like marketing and guerilla advertising like IBM did with the sidewalk chalking and Microsoft and the butterflies.
The stunts get attention of the 1) customers 2) the media 3) the management. If the media understands the issues they might report it. If the customers understand the issues they might complain. If the management understands they might change the policy.... any pressure from customers and the media might also help management to decide to make a change.
Picket lines of just five people are pathetic. If you hand out fliers, most people will be annoyed and ignore you.
Also, protests can be a lot of work... they should be fun to get people to show up and help you out. Handing out fliers while holding some home-made 'DMCA Sucks' sign isn't fun. Puppet shows are fun. Fake non-disclosure agreements (that are clearly parodies) are fun.
Be creative, not destructive. Educate and inform.
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who can count in binary and those who can't.
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/11/20/ 021120hndmca.xml?s=IDGNS
More and more I am unable to shop! First I chose to stop buying CDs to keep my cash out of the RIAA's hands. Then I decided to no longer see movies in the theaters as part of my protest to the actions of the mpaa. Now I can't shop at Wal-Mart, Staples, Target, or Best Buy. I shop fairly regularly at all of those stores but Target! Wow, if the world were populated with people like me, companies would think twice before fucking their customers.
And in other news, the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act illegalizes the sale of Mary Jane. That's some tax, isn't it? What about the new name of the Super-DCMA bill? (S.2048)
Zodiac Survey
Copyright Re-education, Enforcement & Elimination Person: Sir, come with me. You are under arrest for violating the DMCA.
Joseph K: What is the charge? I don't even access the material I have legally purchased.
CREEP: I'm sorry, informing you of your crime would involve describing your actions, which would be a violation of the DMCA.
K: But...
CREEP: Enough! I couldn't tell you even if I wanted to. I frankly don't know since my supervisor was unable to tell me of your crime due to DMCA restrictions.
K: Surely this will all come out in my trial.
CREEP: Trial? How quaint. But trials are only good for determining if the law has been broken and in this case there is no doubt. No we are going to lock you in a box and poke you with sticks.
K: But this is a violation of my civil rights! What about the constitution?
CREEP: Nonsense. The constitution restricts GOVERNMENT
This is the sign of a weak economy, not a strong one. Too much competition is as bad as not enough. STF
> The company/person filing the complaint should
> have to go to court to get an injuction to get
> the offending material removed.
They _do_ have to go to court to force the material to be removed. It's just that under the DMCA they can't sue you if you voluntarily remove it upon receipt of the cease and desist letter. In the absence of the DMCA "safe harbor" provision they could sue you for having put it up even if you did take it down as soon as they complained.
Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
CREEP: Nonsense. The constitution restricts GOVERNMENT Action, not private citizens. As a corporation, we are only required to make a profit for our shareholders.
K: I'm going to start a boycott of your products!
CREEP: How nice for you.
This is a DMCA issue. The DMCA assumes the accused party is guilty until proven innocent. That is why it was used to immediately shut down the information that they didn't want out. And it looks like it worked too. Too bad no one has the balls to sue under the perjury clause of the DMCA notices.
of all the illegal data out there, most of it is pr0n. how's the pr0n industry doing? business is up. so why should the mpaa or riaa be worried about illegal copies of music or movies? it doesn't effect the pr0n industry, and the products are all the same - sound and video.
What I think WILL happen in place of #4 is this.
1: Tech industry in the U.S. slides.
2: Tech industry in non-U.S.(possibly non-E.U. too) climbs, leaving U.S. economy behind.
3: U.S. becomes irrelevent, economically.
4: Rich people who destroyed the U.S. economy, and thus, the country itself, leave the U.S., taking their wealth with them, to start destroying another economy for their own financial gain.
That's just a thought. In any case, I think it's obvious things are not looking good for the U.S. tech sector in the future.
I like you're #4 a lot better! :)
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
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http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cf
Sometimes I worry that I'll develop Alzheimer's disease, but no one will notice.
so when they use it in court i can slap them with dmca..
"give me my money"
If I'm a customer and I walk into Best Buy and see morons behaving in the fashion you laid out... It is not the store I'm going to be upset with.
One of the keys of a good protest is to not piss off the people you are trying to convince towards your cause.
Two local grocery store chains got into it over this this past year. I believe it went to court, but I'm not sure how it was resolved.
Basically Cub Foods caught Rainbow Foods advertising the exact same items at just slightly lower prices on the same sundays. So Cub planned to advertise bannanas for 34 cents a pound, Rainbow had them for 33.
How was this happening? Someone from one of the printers was leaking this info to the competitors who were then using it to create their own ad.
Because the DMCA is about circumventing copyright protection technology, which usually means encryption. Please explain what copyright protection technology the retailers employed on their copyrighted sales prices, and how exactly these web site circumvented it.
The DMCA had two main provisions, a circumvention ban and a takedown notice procedure, with numerous riders. This case invokes section 512(c) about takedown notices. If an ISP doesn't respond to a takedown notice, it becomes liable for everything sent over its network.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I wish someone would make it a requirement that, to hold a law licence, you must do X% of your time as pro bono.
I hope you mean "pro bono" as in "volunteer legal work" as opposed to "pro bono" as in "defending repeated extensions to the term of copyright".
Will I retire or break 10K?
....how are they breaking copyright? It isn't copyrighted until it's published externally. It also means that they didn't COPY anything - they received information, but not in printed form (even if a printed form existed). Thus, it seems like DMCA doesn't apply, because there's no copyright.
As mentioned, this becomes a "trade secret" argument. At most, they are guilty of receiving trade secrets, and I have no idea what the penalty is for that, if any.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
In the words of Ozzy Osbourne, "You're out of your fucking mind" you do know that right? :)
I thought you were serious for about two seconds and then I just started to laugh uncontrollably.....
Right. If it's not published, then it's not copyrighted. One would think that the Digital Millenium Copyright act would therefore not really have any say here, but that's lawyers for you...
Bear in mind that Trade Secrets get no protection under the law. They are only protected as long as you yourself manage to keep them hidden. If word gets out, tough cookies. This is actually a good thing! Can you imagine what Coca Cola would have done when their copyrighted Coke recipe was about to enter public domain? It'd have made Disney look like a downright philanthropic organization!
Dyolf Knip
Check out this at snopes.com.
It clearly states that statistics show that it is, at best, the 5th biggest shopping day of the year for retailers. That is, it's behind the two weekends before Christmas. Really, this makes sense. A lot of people put off their shopping to the last minute.
Screw these as*sholes, here are the deals, /.
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466913 HP PSC950 $199.98 - $50 mir = $149.98
493000 HP 940 remanufactured $79.98 - $10 is - $30 mir = $39.98
469920 HP 318 $139.98 - $10 is - $50 mir = $79.94
463438, 480124 Sandisk 128 CF or smart media $69.98 - $32 is - $10 mir = $27.94
478328 PNY 512 ram $129.98 - $80 is - $20 mir = $29.98
473998 Zline Corner Desk $49.94 (after 50% savings)
490583 Envision 775e $164.98 - $87 mir = $77.98
450433 Envision 15" LCD $359.98 - $60 is - $100 mir = $199.94
496731 100pk cdr $37.98 - $18 is - $20 mir = FREE
489577 25pk jewel cases $9.98 - $6 is - $4 mir = FREE
498449 5 sheet shredder $13.94 - $5 mir = $8.94
target
Audiovox 5-Cd music system - $48
GoVideo dual-deck DVD/VCR - $138
Monsters Inc, Beauty & The Beast, The Santa Clause, The Rookie - $11.97 each
Phillips CD/DVD player $88
Playstation 2 Games (Street, Spy Hunter, Tony Hawk's ProSkater 3, Virtua Fighter) - $15 each
Sit n Spin by Playschool - $9.99
Daewoo 13" TV/VRC $111
Vivitar PZ3115 DB 35mm camera - $59
Bop It Extreme 2 - $12
Geaorge Foreman The Champ Grill - $14.88
25ct. G30 or G40 globe lights - $5.88
Prologue by Moderna 3pc luggage set - $19
Holiday jar and votive candles - $4.88
ProSpirit brushed fleece 1/4 zip pullover - $8.88(adults) $10.88(mens xxl) $5.88 (boys and girls)
Take Along Thomas &Friends Work and play roundhouse - $17.88
Take along Thomas & Friends travel tote - $11.88
Lego building gift sets (Creator table w/172 pieces or baby gift set with 40 big ones) - $12.88
Pink & Purple leap pad interacive learning system - $39.99
Additional leap pad learning books - $14.99
Electronic hand held games (Simon, Connect Four, Boggle, Classic football 2, Hangman, Yahtzee, Battlehip or Classic baseball) - $7.33
Fisher-Price intelli-table - $39
MicroPets - $6.44
Hotwheels vehicles - $.49
Fisher-Price Rescue Heroes - $5.77
Air Hogs R/C flying vehicles - $44.44
Hot Wheels turbo jet city play set - $32.22
Lincoln Logs 2-pk (Lonesome pine cabin & Maple woods trading post) - $9.88
Lite-Brite - $7.88
Micro-Bratz - 2 for $5
Diva Starz play sets - $7.67
Fisher-Price Loving family home and stable dollhouse - $36.74
Fisher-Price Volkswagon new beetle - $9.74
Fisher-Price Loving family sweet streets (beach or country house) - $10
Polly Pocket play sets - $6.74
Baby Annabell doll - $29.74
Additional baby annabell clothing - $9.74
G.I. Joe Night attack chopper - $23.88
12" G.I. Joe action figures - $4.88
Power Rangers Megazord action figure or Red Wild warrior - $21.88
Power Rangers Deluxe 6 1/2" figures $7.88
Polly Pockets snacktime scooter - $5.13
Barbie (Sroll n play or mermaid fantasy) - $8.87
Palm beach barbie and friends - $2.92
Huggable toys (Hug me scooby doo, eye popping spongebob or babbling spongebob) - $12.94
2-pk Barbie sets - $8.98
Popular Games (Taboo, The Simpsons Clue, G.I. Joe Commando Attack, Opperation Brain Surgery, Barbie Says, Screwy Looey, Throw Me a Bone, Electronic Super Kerplunk, The Worst Case Scenario game and Silly6Pins) - $17 each
Action-packed games (Uno Deluxe, Ker Plunk, Pet Rescue Game, Monopoly, Lets Go Fishin, Scrabble Junior, Pooh Candy Land, Yellow Brick Road Game and charades for kids) $8 each
Candyland or Chutes and Ladders - $4
Uno Attack- $14
Hello Kitty Accent lamp, wall mirror, hair dryer, rechargable toothbrush or lighted make-up mirror - $15 each
Bean bag chair - $16
Novelty lights (Ball of lite, Martini neon light or bubble lite with fish) - $13.44
Photo frames in merry-go-round, triple gear, revolving wheel, spoke wheel and more styles - $9.77
Wine and party accesories (beaded bottle cover, 4-ct napkin rings, place card holders or bottle stoppers) - $5.99
Norelco MicroAction Plus corded razor - $29.99
Braun Flex XP rechargable shaver - $49.99
Norelco Quadra Action cordless rechargeable razor - $69.99
Norelco advantage cordless rechargeable shaver - $94.44
Braun Syncro system with cleaning unit and automatic charger - $109.99
Norelco Spectra cordless rechargeable shaver - $114.44
Revlon Messager w/ infrared heat - $14.99
Conair bath mat w/ heated bubbles - $29.99
Conair foot bath w/ heat and bubbles - $14.99
Braun Oral-B 3D Excel - %4.99
Sonicare Personal - $69.99
2-pk Sonicare brush heads - $19.99
Emerson 1000-watt microwave oven - $48.88
Shark canister vac - $78.49
Dirt Devil Extra light bagless 12-amp vac - $78.49
Black and Decker 12 cup coffee maker, 2-speed blender, mini food processor, sandwich maker or individual coffeemaker with stainless steel mug - $14.88 each
Black and Decker toaster oven - $22.88
Melitta Mill & Brew coffee maker - $56.88
Bissell Spot lifter compact cordless deep cleaner - $19.88
Dirt Devil hand vac - $19.88
Quick Chop - $9.99
14x17" polysafe cutting board - $9.99
Tent 1.5 qt. teakettle from Copco - $8.88
10% off all other copco tea kettles
14-pc anchor glass bakeware set - $16.99
10% off other selected Anchor Hocking bakeware Stovetop popcorn popper by Back to Basics - $18.88
10% off all Back to Basics popcorn accesories Chefmate roaster with rack - $14.99
14pc Mirro easy-clean cookset - $39.99
11pc meat fondue set or 16pc cheese and chocolate fondue set - $22.22
20-pc Holiday Charm dinnerware set - $8
5.4 gal stainless steel step can with bonus 10" step can by Home - $14.88
20% off all other Home trash cans
Samsung Diginax 350S digital camera - $248.88
Lexar 64Mb card - $38
10% off all other Lexar digital media
Concord digital/web cam - $44.99
SureShot 105 35mm zoom camera - $98.88
Kodak Advantix T700 APS camera - $79.77
Samsung Hi8 camcorder - $249.99
TDK Hi8 camcorder tapes 4-pk - $13.99
Photosmart 320 digital camera - $149.99
Palm M125 8MB handheld PC - $129.99
Audiovox DVD/CD home theater system - $139.88
Canon S200 color inkjet printer - $34.77
Hello Kitty CD boombox - $39.44
Phillips personal CD player w/ remote control - $39.44
Jensen CD shower radio - $39.44
Panasonic 220-watt music system - $148.88
Motorola 2.4 GHz Caller ID cordless phone - $44.99
Motorola 2.4 GHz digital answering system and caller ID phone - $64.99
Sony 4-head hi-fi VCR - $89.99
Sony DVD/CD player - $129.99
Sony DVD/VCR space saver - $249.99
Mixman DM2 digital music mixer - $39.97
Sony 12-pk T-120 vhs tapes - $9.88
Sony 8-pk T-160 vhs tapes - $9.88
Memorex 30-pk CD-R discs - $9.88
Memorex 25-pk Cool colors CD-R discs - $9.88
Black Knight, Behing Enemy Lines, Shallow Hal, Don't Say a Word, From Hell or Joyride DVDs - $9.99
Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets computer game - $29.99
Treasue Planet Battle of Procyon comp. game - $24.76
Medal of Honor Spearhead comp. game - $24.99
The Sims deluxe edition comp. game - $32.88
Backyard baseball or basketball comp. game - $9.99
Disney coaster comp game - $9.99
Skateboard park tycoon - $9.99
Gamecube limited edition bundle w/ super smash bros. melee - $149.99
Gamecube games (Metroaid Prime, Mario Party 4, Harry Potter) - $49.99
Gamecube game Sonic Mega Collection - $39.99
X-Box games (Tony Hawks Proskater 4, Dead to Rights, Reign of Fire, Turok evolution) - $37.88 each
X-Box games Conflict: Desert Storm ($44.88), Time Splitters 2 ($49.99), NHL 2003 ($49.99), Lord of The Rings $49.99)
Playstation 2 game system - $199.99
Playstation 2 games - NBA live ($49.99), Grand Theft Auto Vice City ($49.99), Shrek Super Party ($34.88), Suikoden ($39.99), Shinobi ($49.99), Contra ($44.99), Spyro Enter the dragonfly ($44.88), Minority Report Everybody Runs ($39.88)
Playstation 2 games (Fishermans Bass Club or Hard Hitter Tennis) - $9 each
Gameboy Advance games (Frogger's Adventures, Madden 2003 or Lego Racers 2) - $9 each
Playstation games (Putter Golf, RC Helicopter or Chess) - $5 each
Leatherman Juice Multitools (C2 or S2) - $32
Leatherman Juice Multitools (CS4 or KF4) - $37
2-pk Thermos travel tumblers - $7
Queen-size Comfort-Rest airbed and pump - $25
Greatland captain's chair - $6
eTrex global positioning systems by Garmin - $89
Ear grips ear warmers - $10
Skates (VFX Gear boys Galaxyin-line skates, girls twilight in-line skates, Fireball quad roller skates or Urban Rider roller shoes) - $13 pair
26" spacesaucer snow sled - 2 for $5
Electronic dart boards (Mach 1 or Challenger DX2500) - $13 each
Fisher-Price 10" bikes (School bus bike and tricycle) - $15
Activity Sports Sets (3-pk mini sport balls, 2-pk playground balls, or boys or girls bike accesory gift sets) - $5 each
Nickelodeon Rocket Power skateboard - $15
20% off all other skateboards
Build and Paint craft kits - $8.88
Armor All gift box - $20
Taylor body fat analyzer and scale - $35
95-pc Durabuilt mechanics tool set - $17.88
Restore and Restyle kids storage organizers w/ removable bins - $45
VersaPak 3-tool cordless combo kit - $45
Black and Decker 14.4V cordless reversible drill - $45
Black and Decker power tools (Variable speed rotary saw, 3.4-amp Navigator-powered handsaw or Mega Mouse 4-in-1 sander/polisher) - $59.99
5-position drill/driver - $49.99
85th anniversary Black and Decker 14.4 cordless drill/driver kit - $99
Walmart
These items are only on sale from 6 am till 11 AM
Symphonic 27 in TV 148.62
Symphonic dvd/vcr 98.87
Apex DVD player 48.76
Kodak CX4300 Digital camera
hotwheels , matchbox, tonka, or GI joe 20 pack vehicle assortment 10.00
HP computerw/monitor,printer CD writer/DVD combo drive 698.00
(Computer info: Intel celeron processor 2.0 Ghz, 256MB DDR SDRAM memory, Integrated Intel extreme graphics with up to 64MB shared video memory, 60MB hard drive, Built in CD_WRITER/DVD combo drive, v.90 K%^flex data/fax modem, 10/100 baseT network interface, HP pavilion 17 inch color monitor, HP Deskjet 3320V photo quality color printer USB cable included)
A lot of people seem to think the big retailers should be happy about "free advertising". The problem (from their perspective) is loss leaders.
A loss leader is something you advertise at a steep discount, with words to the effect of "while supplies last". The idea is to lose money on 50 units and bring 2,000 people into the store.
The problem is that the newspaper ads often need to be typeset days in advance. So if I find out they're going to be selling Model W-1005 Widgets for $59.97 on Black Friday, I can go buy one for $89.97 on Wednesday. Then I just go back a few days later for a price adjustment. Obviously the retailers don't like this sort of thing.
It's always been something that a few store employees (and their friends) would take advantage of, but like so many things, the web has amplified it to the n'th degree. I say screw 'em; it's bascially a deceptive sales practice anyway, so it's hard to conjure up much sympathy.
Call me crazy but I seem to recall the audio labels getting busted for paying "promotional fees" with the stipend that stores not sell product below a certain price. The promotional fees were to defray the cost of printing up the advertising. I think it stands to reason that the rest of the ad not related to music faced similar fees (without the price fixing scheme).
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So they can sue each other silly when retailer X offers an item (any item), at the same "copyrighted" price as retailer Y.
Lemme guess, he now wants to use the DMCA to remove his phone number from /.?
More than mere navel gazing.
Then where is the Safe Harbor clause that allows ISPs to shirk responibility for contended content?
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Nearly all the prices end in 9, 99, 98, ..., 95 anyway, so just round up. Besides, discussion of commerce is the original fair use exemption.
Once burned, twice try.
Black Friday may be named because it puts retailers 'in the black' but if, like me, you'll be at work that day supporting cash register software, Black Friday has a whole different meaning. In context of panicked store managers trying to make sure that the 400,000 price changes came through last night to every register while the server struggles under the load of cashiers pounding out promotion after promotion, Black Friday sounds a whole lot more like the Black Plague.
Holiday, my butt.
damn right, The best freedom that money can buy!
How did all 4 major compaines (that are competeing with each other) all know to use DMCA agisnt one company at the same time?
.I've been told the locals (K-mart, Big-W, Target) are all locally owened even though they have the same trademark.
Here in OZ, K-mart and Target are the same company (coles-meyer) . They compete with Big-W which is owned by the only other company that does large retail stores (owned by woolworths). Big-W in the UK is owned in part by Wal-Mart. They look like Wal-marts, they even smell like wal-marts and if you put Sam Walton in one he would say it was a wal-mart (if he wasn't dead)
These compaines are all very well connected to each other if you look at the members of the board and they appear to be selling legal info now.
This ain't the first time this happened. A similiar situation happened between Sprint PCS and howardforums.com. Someone posted the Vision Pricing before Vision was released. Sprint served howardforums.com with a DMCA notice to take down the information.
No that is just the sign of an old business model. Grocery stores have operated on razor thin margins for quite some time, and successfully, you just don't have much margin for error. They are worried that their circulars will get into the hands of a competitor who can then change their prices to a penny or two below their current ones, leaving them with higher prices across the board. They all over build during the good times, and are now worried about Wal-Mart's entry into that business nationally, and want to show that they are not losing many sales to Wal-Mart yet. Too much competition is the signal that there has been too much investment in an industry, and some should be put into other industries. It certainly benefits consumers. I think competition is alive and well in good times and bad, its just that selection and services (think short lines and easy access) become more important than just low prices.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
It's sad to see cases like this where the company or individuals can't fight back because they can't afford the legal fees. Perhaps the way to remedy that is to add two things to the dmca:
1. All complaints must be investigated by the government before ISP's are required to comply with takedown notices.
2. Complaints that are found invalid will be subject to a large 'processing fee' by the government office, in the order of $1 million or so, which will be used to help fund future investigations.
This way everybody wins. The 'big players' in copyright infringement will still be sought out. But companies will not be able to fish for wins by sending out letter after letter with no fear of reprisal.
True that. When I worked for K-Mart they had a months worth of weakly adds stashed in a locked room at the back of the store. If those got out early then compeditors could do a local price correction by UPC overnight.
DealCatcher.com was also threatened by Wal-Mart to remove black friday ads. You would think they would appreciate the free advertising we provided. The forum still has a bunch of black friday ads. Wal-Mart thread
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Thanks for the links. You've really made it easy! Here's what I said. Perhaps not the best, but dashed off pretty quickly on my way out the door:
I am unhappy with your corporation's misuse of an exhisting law - namely the DMCA. By using the DMCA to block the publication of your Black Friday prices from certain web sites you are acting as a bully - throwing your weight and money around. Sale prices are facts, not copyrighted material. Courts have already ruled that facts devoid of any creativity (such as telephone books) can be copied. Call it insider trading if you like, or corporate espionage, but this is not a DMCA violation. Due to your actions, I will not be shopping at your store, or others who've supported this effort, during Black Friday and will avoid future visits as well.
Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do.
Publicize the specials there. By the time you file suit against the Costa Ricans Black Friday will be over.
Good God, are you moderators STONED?? There isn't a senator on that list! As if the names you've never heard of weren't a good enough giveaway, the @yahoo.com email addresses should have done the trick. Failing that, all the @adequacy.org addresses should have hit you like a 12' clue-by-four!
You have been trolled! I hope you feel stupid now...
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not that they are `copyrighted' prices. the DMCA is probably being used (incorrectly) because it focuses on a website.
For anyone that has ever worked in a retail outlet and has met customers with incorrect , or even worse, 2-3 week old advertisements to merchandise knows that it usually leads to reducing the price to meet the incorrect ad.
If Bestbuy prints the Ad wrong, of course they will correct the issue as quickly as they can and honor those that have made notice of the incorrect price (well, most of the time).
However, what is Best Buy sopposed to do if some customer sees an advertisement for a 27" sony Vega TV on www.xyz.com for 349.99$?
They do not have to honor the advertised price because xyz.com is not a Best Buy affiliated advertiser. At the same time, they would also have to deal with angry customers complaining about this and that (beleive me, they WILL THINK of something)
I've worked at Circuit City for a while and seen all kind of people come in and say stuff like "my freinds daughters boyfreinds uncle said that you had a Sony TV advertised for 100$" which would be kind of correct, but it wasnt a Sony TV, it was some peice of crap Daewoo TV, when the correct item was shown the customer (along with the weeks Ad) , they would get all pissed saying "Well, i dont think this is right because i've known my freinds daughters boyfreinds uncle for 3 months and he wouldnt lie to me like that".
dont say it doesnt happen because it does.
again the issue isnt about `copyrighted prices', it is about unauthorised advertisement of goods.
I follow the SDK and GDN principles.. Spelling Dont Kount, Grammer Dont Neither
the RIAA, MPAA, and all these dumb stores should have to listen to stones: you can't always get what you want, and dylan: the times are a changin.
The recipe for Coke is a trade secret. If it was patented, not only would the patent run out, but information about how it was made needs to be in the patent. Back when Coke was originally made, Copyrights actually expired, so they did not do that either.
goto K-Mart and stop supporting the waltons.
Well, if you're like me you're probably a bit curious about what exactly was in those posts... so I took the liberty of posting a mirror.
Click here for the Black Friday sale prices.
I take no credit for the information or its accuracy, since it's just copies of the forum messages. The link contains sale prices for Best Buy, Staples, Office Max, Kmart, Sears, Walmart, Target, and Toys-R-Us. A lot of the deals involve rebates: MIR = Mail-In Rebate, IR = Instant Rebate, IS = In-Store, etc.
(Have I just broken the law? oops)
This is what would happen in a libertarian society.
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Even if it's obviously not a copyright issue..
1) the ISP is served with papers under teh DMCA alleging a copyright notice.
2) The ISP has to take it down within a certain amount of time UNLESS the person who is responsible for the content writes a letter attesting to the fact that it is NOT copyright violation... in which case the original complainant has so-many days to file suit, or drop the issue.
The thing is.. even if it's obviously not copyright infringement.. will an ISP stick it's neck out and say "buzz off" to the lawyers? Will the person in the end write the letter back? Or will it all just get ignored.
PARTS of the DMCA are bout copy protection technology.
OTHER PARTS of the DMCA are about electronic publishing of copywritten information without permission.
Also.. something does NOT require a copyright notice to be protected by copyright.
I agree, to imply copyright over sales prices is rediculous.. however...
if the prices were taken from a flyer at a print house or somewhere, and had not yet been released by the company, there very well MAY be a copyright violation.
The people who know they are in the right but don't fight the big corps are just as responsible for the injustices that eventuate as the big corps are, if not more so. At the end of the day, Wal-Mart didn't take the information down, the admins of the website did.
I'm so sick of hearing ppl say "Oh, but the corps can afford to spend a million dollars on the lawsuit and the little guy can't." That's true, if they only have to do it once to make an example of someone. If they have to spend a million dollars in legal fees over and over and over again, it adds up. If you've incorporated your business like you should have, they can't hurt you very badly anyways, small operator or no... so grab a firm hold of your testicles and your ethics, and bloody fight. You are responsible for the evil you tolerate, make no mistake. I have no sympathy whatsoever for these webmasters... their actions have shown them to be small fry scum bowing to big fish scum.
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Now.. I think this is silly too.. however, you all have to realize somethign about the retail business.
Prices for special sales days are set in advance, and kept secret. The flyers and ads have to be readied ahead of time, especially for a company the size of wal-mart.. but that information is CONFIDENTIAL until the company decides to release it. The companies that print the flyers are under contract not to leak the information, and so on.
The reason for this is because you don't want your competitors to know what your sales are going to be until everyone else does.
If someone STOLE the information from a print house or computer or an employee violated their contract by posting this information to some public forum, then wal-mart DOES have a fair claim to the information.
It's not like this information is already out in some flyer and walmart is suing.. they wouldn't do that, for obvious reasons.. once you ARE advertising a sale, you want as many people to konw about it as possible.
I copied the info from the bofh.org site, and sent it to my relatives. I will now look up the stores mentioned, and email it to them. I would encourage everyone to do a similar thing
when someone steals trade-secret information from YOUR company, and publishes it.
As someone who participates in Buy Nothing Day, and digs Adbusters in general, I feel I need to respond to some of the comments here.
The point of Buy Nothing Day is not to "stick it to the retailers!", or to reduce consumption directly. Obviously, participants will buy what they need on some other day.
The point is to raise awareness of an issue. Black Friday was chosen as symbolic of the problem, but it could be any day. It's sort of analogous to fasting: you don't do it to "stick it to the farmers!", nor do you expect to lose weight. People who fast are doing so for some other reason, because of the way it alters their perception of the world.
Buy Nothing Day is the same way. I encourage readers to try it this year. Coffee or lunch downtown? Nope, that's off limits today. What about that special computer cable you need to complete your latest project, or the cool new book that caught your eye, or god forbid that new pop album? It'll have to wait 'till tomorrow.
Try it and see, you might be surprised...
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I'll be supporting Buy Nothing Day because of the action on your part against fatwallet.com. I feel that this use of the DMCA or any similar shows corporate disregard for your customers and a general attitude of "screw them all".
Furthermore I'll be doing it at your store, placing (small) printed Buy Nothing Day notes on your shelves.
I'll fill shopping carts with stuff and leave them in random places in the store.
I'll go with a friend and loudly discuss your overpricing and generally poor quality merchandice.
I'll move price tags around, or remove them entirely.
And I'll have a great time doing it.
Are we having fun yet?
Have a Nice Black Friday.
These prices were not advertised; they were planned future pricing that was confidential. It wasn't available to the public at all.
If it had already been shelf pricing, the stores would not have cared.
The stores do not reveal this information for good reason
a) They dont'want the competition to know
b) They want people to continue shopping at current prices, not wait until next week and get a deal.
I work at a chain with a fairly big black Friday sale, and we have pulled the items that we know all the ad jumpers are going to be after. So they sit in storage in the back awaiting 11-29. So why does having the add in advance matter if the stores in question have pulled all traces of the item? (BTW - Refusing to sell an item to a given person is illegal. Not selling an item for which there is no visible display model, no visible boxed product and no visible signage is very legal.)
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Too bad this isn't about publishing already public prices, and is in fact about publishing not-yet-released confidential information without the permission of the copyright holder.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Your mileage may vary. Offer void where taxed, regulated or prohibited by law. Not for use in nuclear facilities. Side effects may include ... never mind, you get the idea.
...when you're writing a game...tweak the difficulty of "Easy" to something [your mother] can cope with. -- onion2k
but I bet you'd get a better "turn-out" if it was something we could do without our butts leaving our chairs. I'm not saying fresh air is bad, but it sounds like sunshine might be involved and that's where I draw the line!
... uh ... what was I talking about again?
How about mass-emailing every g-damn store manager in the country. At least their mail server administrators will take notice (is this thing on??)
I'm not suggesting that we hack every one of their webservers or anything, but
Let's get creative about this protest and make it something EVERYONE will do - make it easy. Make it fun! Make it lazy!
Best of all, use your $$ and vote elsewhere.
They can't sue the ISP if the ISP has been given notice and takes down the material. They can still sue you if you are the one who put up the material.
I am not a lawyer, but it seems that someone has used the threat of an unjustified law suit to block publication of information that we could use to save money.
Is it possible that someone could put together a class action suit, the class being all people who bought stuff on Black Friday at less than the lowest price because they were unable to compare prices in the internet?
Again, IANAL, and this may be completely off the wall, but if there is a potential action, some lawyers might take it on a contingency basis for big bucks.
If it's not published, then it's not copyrighted.
That's consistent with the intent of copyright law, so I understand why you'd think so. But you're wrong! Read entry #2, it directly contradicts you. Stop living in the 70s- today everything is copyrighted as soon as pen hits paper. (entry 4 on the same page)
Publication has nothing to do with it. There was a successful copyright-infringment lawsuit brought against burglars who invaded someone's property and privacy to steal notes. (I don't have a link, but its true. It seems strange that someone would press minor charges in place of blatant criminal conviction, but we can imagine some reasons)
You can't judge a book by its cover, and you can't interpret a law by its name. Don't point to the word "Copyright" in the name of the DMCA and assume it only tries to enforce the original meaning of copyright. After all, if the government had only wanted to enforce an existing law, instead of increasing it's scope, then why did it need to pass a new law?
Reading the DMCA, we see that it forbids "circumvention of mechanisms used to protect copyrighted content". It doesn't matter whether the mechanism is currently being used for something copyrighted or not- you still can't break their protection. Creation, possession or distribution of circumvention devices is illegal too. This means that by wrapping a work in a protection mechanism, even a trivially weak one, publishers can effectively write their own copyright laws- ones without revenue-damaging drawbacks like fair use, extraction of facts, and eventual expiration.
Hopefully, because it goes so much further than it reasonably should, the DMCA will be overturned. Then your common-sense ideas may start to have some validity again.
1) Sue people who are giving you free advertising
2) ???
3) money !!!
Subject says it all...
If buying anything from these stupid companies present the sales assistant with an liability disclaimer and ask them to sign it on behalf of the company. The disclaimer would say something like, "The customer is allowed to discuss the cost and quality of the purchased product with anybody they see fit."
If they refuse ask for the manager, if the manager refuses, leave the store.
We as customers are forced to agree to all kinds of legal stuff, why shouldn't the stores?
Then get as much media attention as possible if they do try and sue you. Hopefully a lawyer from the EFF will take up the case or help out. Use the SLAPP statutes and fair use and anything else that can be brought up against goliath and, oh yeah, get as much media attention as possible showing ANOTHER abuse of the system by a corporate conglomerate. After Enron, WorldCom (I hope I'm remembering that right), Martha Stewart and the rest of the things coming to light about corporations abusing the system to the detriment of the "common man" most people are getting fed up with this shit. Every bit of press you get will be negative against the corp, not positive.
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Actually, that's not the case. The applicable case is Feist vs Rural Telephone, where the Supremes ruled that copyright protection required creativity and facts are only discovered, that "sweat of the brow" (in assembling a compilation of facts) doesn't confer copyright protection, and thus simple collections of facts such as a phonebook aren't copyrightable.
See this page for more info.
fatwallet is in the right, but unfortunately they don't have the resources to fight this.
If it doesnt make money for fatwallet, tim doesnt do it.
even if they know their accusation won't stand up in trial, it doesn't matter because there is a 90% chance that the recipient will comply anyway.
Barratry, or the bringing of frivolous legal action, is a crime in several states such as Texas and can get an attorney disbarred.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Exactly - and when a "trade secret" is reverse-engineered, it's no longer a trade secret.
That's how trade secrets should work; it is not what happens in practice. For example, DeCSS is based in part on reverse-engineered trade secrets (a secret key) which the courts acted to penalize even once the trade secret was out there. IANAL, but apparently there are some ways of making a trade secret public which don't actually make it an open secret in the eyes of the (U.S.) law. Doesn't make sense to me, or seem to be in the spirit of the Constitution, but that has seemed to be the recent legal interpretation.
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Inside of a box, it's too dark to boycott.
Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and
Come on, have they ever deleted comments before for violating the DMCA?
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I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the site was illegal anyway due to antitrust laws. I bought a desk at Staples once and they called BestBuy to check the price because I told them it was advertised for less and they had to match, and BestBuy gladly told them (not knowing it was a competitor) the desk retailed for $199.99. Great -- but even that's illegal. Federal antitrust laws prohibit prices being given out over the phone.
At first glance it seems totally anticompetitive, but it keeps the larger businesses from undercutting the smaller guys so easily.
Whale
By definition, the maximally free market will drive prices as low as possible while still allowing sellers to retain some profit margin. There's no entitlement to particularly large profits for sellers. Overcompetition doesn't really weaken the market as a whole, it just weakens individual market players until some of them drop out, leaving the rest to work out a little higher market price. Excess competition is easily resolved by market forces themselves, and the way that this occurs itself points to the strength of the market.
There's a lot of confusion in the U.S. over the last few years about who the market is for. By definition, a free market enables the buyer to drive the economy by making choices. In a free market, the buyer drives the seller, not the other way around. Considering this situation to be a weak economy is a business-driven outlook, not a consumer-driven one. Since the business viewpoint gets more press coverage, it's not surprising that people make this mistake, but it's not the correct understanding of how the free market works (or is supposed to).
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Well i'm a little late for this one. My friend told me about this debate and, as the owner/ operator of an independent deal site, I was more than a little concerned.I've always championed retailers like wal mart that provide low-cost goods and services, and I hope they stop trying to intimidate guys like me who are actually helping them out, if you think about it. I'd hate to have to stop posting the kind of deals that can be found at some of the larger discount chains (ie, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, SAAN, Fields, Fedco etc...) especially with the upcoming holiday season. I invite you to look at my site and tell me if I'm really doign anything wrong. http://www.members.shaw.ca/snellsdeals Thanks, Steve
I know, I know. Silly me, expecting the cover to, if not paint a totally accurate picture, at least not blatantly lie to me about the rest of the book. Someone else pointed out that the effect of the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act was to make it nearly totally illegal. Sighh....
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Another good example is "wiretapping laws".
Wiretapping means you attach a device to someone else's wire and read data from it. It implies there is an invasion of privacy, as someone learns information that he wasn't meant to hear.
However, many state laws define wiretapping as "electronically recording someone's voice without his knowledge". It has been used to indict people for recording what they believed were crimes by police. In certain jurisdictions, it may be even worse: wiretapping only applies to "audio recordings", so peeking on someone's video signal might not be covered.
I've heard that some cops have sometimes wiretapped suspects' phones in advance of getting a warrant. They can listen in, and are legally protected by not starting the tape-recorder. (Probably couldn't use evidence gained, but they don't always want evidence)
In Vegas, card counting is NOT *cheating*. Cheating is illegal, and you can go to prison.
Cheating would be manipulating a game in some way, or using some kind of computing device to help you (and that part is only because of specific laws passed.. cheating used to only apply to outright cheating) You cannot go to prison, or even be fined, for card counting. No cheating involved. The casino simply does not want you to play, because they will constantly lose money to you, so you are a liability.
When they kick you out, they tell you that you can't come back because you are NOT ALLOWED in their buildling, and that if you are on the premesis, you will be charged with criminal trespass.
In Atlantic City, it's specifically illegal for casinos to kick you out for card counting.
Stores prevent people from coming back by saying "Don't come in here, or you will be charged with tresspassing"
And then publish a small exerpt from it, which normally is considered fair-use, I am still violating copyright; I am doing so simply be stealing the work in the first place.
I don't get why everyone is so against wal-mart et-al this time... mostly it's because they haven't read the article.
Here we have someone STEALING then PUBLISHING confidential information; and it's not like it's the cure for cancer or anything like that...
and everyone is calling them names for.. . trying to protect what is rightfully theirs?
Or rather, it would, if newspapers didn't have professional ethics that don't let them do this.
Leaked information that is "kind of, but not really, secret" is one thing; you can bet if some jerk at a company leaked, say, blueprints for their next car, the newspaper won't publish it.
A leaked memo full of opinions is a little different than a flyer.
You just don't get it... if I file a big report on some new experiment, and someone leaks it, they ARE in shit if they publish it; copyright law DOES apply.
Yeah, they should go after individuals... absolutely. They also have a right to keep their information from being published. They aren't "going after" the website.. they just want the information taken down, which MAKESE SENSE and IS FAIR IN THIS CASE.
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Funny thing, your mention of the penal code not being copyrighted reminded me of the fact that a lot of legal code (lots of building code, for instance) is, indeed copyrighted. There are actually companies which have government-sponsored monolopies on building, electrical, and other types of codes, and will print and ship the code to you for a nominal fee. If you make this same information publicly available, these companies will sue you. I can't remember where I saw this, so if anyone has any further information, feel free to jump in with a link.
--something witty
Once, when the secrets of science were the jealously guarded property
of a small priesthood, the common man had no hope of mastering their arcane
complexities. Years of study in musty classrooms were prerequisite to
obtaining even a dim, incoherent knowledge of science.
Today all that has changed: a dim, incoherent knowledge of science is
available to anyone.
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Probably the copyright claim is bogus itself, but it is common practice for the big corporations to use the threat of legal action to make small fries do what they want, even if they know they would lose. And that isn't a DMCA issue either -- that's a problem with the way capitalism leverages the legal system.
It has NOTHING to do with capitalism. Big guys can always push little guys around by threatening to make life complicated. Under soviet communism a higher level party member could threaten all kinds of complications for a peon (low-level) person, such as ordering searches of his/her house, reducing his/her food credits, and the most famous: slowing down your paperwork approval for anything over other's.
IOW, inequality also comes in the form of political or social ineqality, not just financial. Being rich does not guarentee that you won't get picked last in the playground ball game, for example.
Favoritism is rampant in socialistic nations. I had a coworker who lived in Greece. He had all kinds of interesting stories about the games one has to play to get a good doctor, car license, etc.
Table-ized A.I.