Which way are you going to break? Trump is no Che, but he does have the endorsement of international "Progressives." Shall we be putting you down as +1 Trump?
North Korea imprisons about 600 out of every 100k population. That is a horrific number, and is far worse than the world average. In fact, there is only one other country that imprisons a greater proportion of citizens: The United States of America, at about 700 per 100k.
North Korea imprisons its entire population in a hell modeled on Stalin's excesses. Attempting to leave the country without permission can get you and three generations of your family thrown into a prison camp with extremely harsh conditions, or simply killed. There are hundreds of thousands of North Koreans in those camps. Not clapping enough at a mass ceremony to celebrate the regime's accomplishments, or the glories of the Dear Leader, can also get you in that same sort of prison camp. When the crime is judged to be political in nature you are unlikely to ever emerge alive from one of the special prison camps they will send you to. Starvation, beatings, medical experiments, possibly experimental tests of chemical weapons, and other tortures are what await you.
The people in US prisons didn't get there by telling fat jokes about Presidents Bush or Obama. You're looking at real crimes like murder, rape, drug dealing, embezzlement, and so on.
Did you consider any of that when you made your post? Or were you just trying to somehow suggest that the US was actually a worse place than North Korea?
I don't think many people would disagree with you that it's a hellhole but things like this make it easier for people to understand. It's not easy to comprehend what it's like to live in a true, card carrying hell hole.
In the remote north-eastern corner of North Korea, close to the border of Russia and China, is Haengyong. Hidden away in the mountains, this remote town is home to Camp 22 - North Korea's largest concentration camp, where thousands of men, women and children accused of political crimes are held. Now, it is claimed, it is also where thousands die each year and where prison guards stamp on the necks of babies born to prisoners to kill them. . ..
Witnesses have described watching entire families being put in glass chambers and gassed. They are left to an agonising death while scientists take notes. The allegations offer the most shocking glimpse so far of Kim Jong-il's North Korean regime.
Kwon Hyuk, who has changed his name, was the former military attaché at the North Korean Embassy in Beijing. He was also the chief of management at Camp 22. In the BBC's This World documentary, to be broadcast tonight, Hyuk claims he now wants the world to know what is happening.
'I witnessed a whole family being tested on suffocating gas and dying in the gas chamber,' he said. 'The parents, son and and a daughter. The parents were vomiting and dying, but till the very last moment they tried to save kids by doing mouth-to-mouth breathing.'
Hyuk has drawn detailed diagrams of the gas chamber he saw. He said: 'The glass chamber is sealed airtight. It is 3.5 metres wide, 3m long and 2.2m high_ [There] is the injection tube going through the unit. Normally, a family sticks together and individual prisoners stand separately around the corners. Scientists observe the entire process from above, through the glass.'
He explains how he had believed this treatment was justified. 'At the time I felt that they thoroughly deserved such a death. Because all of us were led to believe that all the bad things that were happening to North Korea were their fault; that we were poor, divided and not making progress as a country.
'It would be a total lie for me to say I feel sympathetic about the children dying such a painful death. Under the society and the regime I was in at the time, I only felt that they were the enemies. So I felt no sympathy or pity for them at all.'
His testimony is backed up by Soon Ok-lee, who was imprisoned for seven years. 'An officer ordered me to select 50 healthy female prisoners,' she said. 'One of the guards handed me a basket full of soaked cabbage, told me not to eat it but to give it to the 50 women. I gave them out and heard a scream from those who had eaten them. They were all screaming and vomiting blood. All who ate the cabbage leaves started violently vomiting blood and screaming with pain. It was hell. In less than 20 minutes they were quite dead.'
North Korea has ordered the “unconditional punishment” of three generations of the family of anyone escaping from the country and given border guards orders to shoot suspected fugitives on sight.
Not much is known about Camp 25, but one thing is sure – the innocuous name given to this North Korean political prison camp does no justice to the human suffering that goes on within.
The group spent the bulk of its windfall on administration, travel, and salaries and bonuses, with the fattest payouts going to family friends. . . . . None of the Clintons is on the payroll, but they do enjoy first-class flights paid for by the foundation.
I mean... he just fucking lied about Hillary making up the Birther argument right on camera. Lied. Straight lied his ass off. Not just the usual half-baked shit he throws off.
We're not talking about profits here but rather federal $$$ for crony capitalism. Obama donors made a killing there, far more than the "hookers and blow" you're interested in.
You could start with "green energy" money. The Obama administration has been very good to some of its donors in that regard. The problem is the scale won't be there since "green energy" only meets a fraction of the need, unlike the fossil fuels industries.
Go read that post again. I can back up my views, there are facts behind them. The people and media I link to are people that deal with ideas and facts too. Yet here you are calling names. The real kook here is you because without name calling you probably have nothing. You're probably in desperate need of having some new perspectives to consider.
God's chosen people...... Yup. Nothing like letting a group of people who claim that God has a deal with them that he will always side with them over others decide what is and isn't acceptable for others to say.
Unique among its region, the modern, diverse, multi-racial, secular, civil rights based, gay rights embracing, parliamentary democracy known as Israel has decided that trying to plan or encourage the murder of its citizens should be discouraged on social media. From that topic you have produce a mini-rant based on religion and person bigotry that has nothing to do with any of this. Is your intent to convey antisemitism?
Horrible it is, but it is a book and not Facebook or other social media. As such it's distribution is going to be quite limited and generally outside the scope of the measures under discussion.
If we include the wider intelligence community, from 1999 to 2009 it looks like 7 out of 10 made complaints that didn't include retaliation as an element.
Does it somehow surprise you that someone engaged in shady behavior might also engage in harassment and retaliation? Vigorous enforcement of the protective statutes is going to help reduce the incidence of retaliation.
If you think that any of this is some excuse for Edward Snowden stealing a couple of million Top Secret documents and handing them to foreigners to make them available to all comers you've been chasing too many parked cars.
They aren't quite as bad as they started, but they still are trying to drive American society towards its vision, which is very different than that of the Founders.
Then again, I'm not sure there is anything they haven't accused of having a liberal bias.
I'm curious, have you even investigated to see if there might be anything to it?
People keep forgetting that it was that or not say anything at all. Legal whistle blowing doesn't work. That means there will always be some legal angle like the one you espouse that allows the powers-that-be to punish anyone that steps out of line.
Baloney. Snowden should have gone to Congress. What gets many whistle blowers in trouble is going to the press instead of Congress.
And yes, there have been whistle blowers that were abused and persecuted unjustly, and some of the people that engaged in that abuse are under investigation now.. Either way that doesn't make what Snowden did right. And really it doesn't matter how badly Snowden screwed the US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, and so on..... he will still have a big fan base. Of course the chickens are starting to come home to roost.
Whatever China and Russia are, neither is a dictatorship. That is an ignorant characterization.
Sure, China has a shadow government in the form of the Communist Party, which controls the selection of those who stand for election Congress. Big deal. The USA has a shadow government in the form of the Demopublican establishment, with a death grip on the selection of those who stand for election to Congress and for President.
China is in essence a one-party communist dictatorship.* If you debate that the ignorance is yours no matter how interesting you find the apparatus.
The Communist Party isn't just a "shadow government," it is a pervasive ruling party whose edicts are backed up by the secret police. And note that it is the Communist Party that controls the military, not the government.
It appears that in Russia the rules will be adjusted to let Putin rule as long as he cares to.
The company did also say that its community standards "make it clear there is non place for terrorists or content that promotes terrorism on Facebook."
Even when the terror is being incited by a major state like the US or China? Or Israel? Somehow I doubt they're going to stick by this.
And what "terrorism" is that going to be? Somehow I doubt this is going to be tested.
The current state of Israel was restored in the same place as the former Kingdom of Israel, which existed before the term "Palestine" was given to the area by the Romans (who ethnically cleansed the region of many of the Jewish population).
4:10 p.m.: Building 7 of the World Trade Center complex is reported on fire.
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Plus investigations using computer models only contrive one possible scenario, none of which are likely scenarios.
You're kidding. Computer aided design, modeling, and analysis are basic, key tools in engineering these days. Apparently it is news to you that unlikely events do happen. NIST verified what seems to be a design problem.
Add alien invasion into the computer model because at this point is far more likely.
In the PBS documentary America Rebuilds, which aired in September 2002, Larry Silverstein, the owner of 7 WTC and leaseholder and insurance policy holder for the remainder of the WTC complex, recalled a discussion with the fire department in which doubts about containing the fires were expressed. Silverstein recalled saying, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it". "They made that decision to pull", he recalled, "and we watched the building collapse." Silverstein issued a statement that it was the firefighting team, not the building, that was to be pulled.[72][78][79]
The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.
In response to comments from the building community, NIST conducted an additional computer analysis. The goal was to see if the loss of WTC 7's Column 79—the structural component identified as the one whose failure on 9/11 started the progressive collapse—would still have led to a complete loss of the building if fire or damage from the falling debris of the nearby WTC 1 tower were not factors. The investigation team concluded that the column's failure under any circumstance would have initiated the destructive sequence of events.
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Don't forget, DPRK state media has endorsed Donald J. Trump for president (this is not a joke).
And the KKK Grand Wizard involved in this violent incident has endorsed Hillary Clinton.
So what?
Which way are you going to break? Trump is no Che, but he does have the endorsement of international "Progressives." Shall we be putting you down as +1 Trump?
North Korea imprisons about 600 out of every 100k population. That is a horrific number, and is far worse than the world average. In fact, there is only one other country that imprisons a greater proportion of citizens: The United States of America, at about 700 per 100k.
North Korea imprisons its entire population in a hell modeled on Stalin's excesses. Attempting to leave the country without permission can get you and three generations of your family thrown into a prison camp with extremely harsh conditions, or simply killed. There are hundreds of thousands of North Koreans in those camps. Not clapping enough at a mass ceremony to celebrate the regime's accomplishments, or the glories of the Dear Leader, can also get you in that same sort of prison camp. When the crime is judged to be political in nature you are unlikely to ever emerge alive from one of the special prison camps they will send you to. Starvation, beatings, medical experiments, possibly experimental tests of chemical weapons, and other tortures are what await you.
The people in US prisons didn't get there by telling fat jokes about Presidents Bush or Obama. You're looking at real crimes like murder, rape, drug dealing, embezzlement, and so on.
Did you consider any of that when you made your post? Or were you just trying to somehow suggest that the US was actually a worse place than North Korea?
I don't think many people would disagree with you that it's a hellhole but things like this make it easier for people to understand. It's not easy to comprehend what it's like to live in a true, card carrying hell hole.
There are a few hints available.
Revealed: the gas chamber horror of North Korea's gulag
In the remote north-eastern corner of North Korea, close to the border of Russia and China, is Haengyong. Hidden away in the mountains, this remote town is home to Camp 22 - North Korea's largest concentration camp, where thousands of men, women and children accused of political crimes are held. Now, it is claimed, it is also where thousands die each year and where prison guards stamp on the necks of babies born to prisoners to kill them. . . .
Witnesses have described watching entire families being put in glass chambers and gassed. They are left to an agonising death while scientists take notes. The allegations offer the most shocking glimpse so far of Kim Jong-il's North Korean regime.
Kwon Hyuk, who has changed his name, was the former military attaché at the North Korean Embassy in Beijing. He was also the chief of management at Camp 22. In the BBC's This World documentary, to be broadcast tonight, Hyuk claims he now wants the world to know what is happening.
'I witnessed a whole family being tested on suffocating gas and dying in the gas chamber,' he said. 'The parents, son and and a daughter. The parents were vomiting and dying, but till the very last moment they tried to save kids by doing mouth-to-mouth breathing.'
Hyuk has drawn detailed diagrams of the gas chamber he saw. He said: 'The glass chamber is sealed airtight. It is 3.5 metres wide, 3m long and 2.2m high_ [There] is the injection tube going through the unit. Normally, a family sticks together and individual prisoners stand separately around the corners. Scientists observe the entire process from above, through the glass.'
He explains how he had believed this treatment was justified. 'At the time I felt that they thoroughly deserved such a death. Because all of us were led to believe that all the bad things that were happening to North Korea were their fault; that we were poor, divided and not making progress as a country.
'It would be a total lie for me to say I feel sympathetic about the children dying such a painful death. Under the society and the regime I was in at the time, I only felt that they were the enemies. So I felt no sympathy or pity for them at all.'
His testimony is backed up by Soon Ok-lee, who was imprisoned for seven years. 'An officer ordered me to select 50 healthy female prisoners,' she said. 'One of the guards handed me a basket full of soaked cabbage, told me not to eat it but to give it to the 50 women. I gave them out and heard a scream from those who had eaten them. They were all screaming and vomiting blood. All who ate the cabbage leaves started violently vomiting blood and screaming with pain. It was hell. In less than 20 minutes they were quite dead.'
Kim curses defectors’ families for three generations
North Korea has ordered the “unconditional punishment” of three generations of the family of anyone escaping from the country and given border guards orders to shoot suspected fugitives on sight.
Inside a North Korean prison camp: satellite analysis reveals prison life and death
Not much is known about Camp 25, but one thing is sure – the innocuous name given to this North Korean political prison camp does no justice to the human suffering that goes on within.
The issue with North Korea's sites isn't really ads.
North Korea's official news website serves malware
The Attack on Sony
North Korea's cyberattack on Sony Pictures exposed a new reality: you don't have to be a superpower to inflict damage on U.S. corporations
Shared malware code links SWIFT-related breaches at banks and North Korean hackers
Of course if they can get some hard currency from them I doubt those pages will be ad free forever .... if they are now.
Charity watchdog: Clinton Foundation a ‘slush fund’
The group spent the bulk of its windfall on administration, travel, and salaries and bonuses, with the fattest payouts going to family friends. . . . . None of the Clintons is on the payroll, but they do enjoy first-class flights paid for by the foundation.
Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses
I mean... he just fucking lied about Hillary making up the Birther argument right on camera. Lied. Straight lied his ass off. Not just the usual half-baked shit he throws off.
McClatchy: Clinton Advisor Sid Blumenthal Shopped Around Birther Rumors in 2008
Clinton’s 08 Campaign Manager Acknowledges Volunteer Sent Around Birther Email
Former DC Bureau Chief: Clinton Surrogate Pitched Me ‘Birther’ Story In 2008
I suppose you probably don't know anything about the "Journolist" scandal, the collusion, and attempts to influence a presidential election?
The fix was in
We're not talking about profits here but rather federal $$$ for crony capitalism. Obama donors made a killing there, far more than the "hookers and blow" you're interested in.
You could start with "green energy" money. The Obama administration has been very good to some of its donors in that regard. The problem is the scale won't be there since "green energy" only meets a fraction of the need, unlike the fossil fuels industries.
Go read that post again. I can back up my views, there are facts behind them. The people and media I link to are people that deal with ideas and facts too. Yet here you are calling names. The real kook here is you because without name calling you probably have nothing. You're probably in desperate need of having some new perspectives to consider.
Her name is Kim Phuc and she now lives in Canada. She was fleeing a napalm strike by the South Vietnamese Air Force.
How the Vietnam War's 'Napalm Girl' Is Finally Getting Her Scars Treated – 43 Years Later
The girl in the picture: Kim Phuc's journey from war to forgiveness
'Napalm Girl': An Iconic Image Of War Turns 40
The Kim Foundation International
God's chosen people ...... Yup. Nothing like letting a group of people who claim that God has a deal with them that he will always side with them over others decide what is and isn't acceptable for others to say.
Unique among its region, the modern, diverse, multi-racial, secular, civil rights based, gay rights embracing, parliamentary democracy known as Israel has decided that trying to plan or encourage the murder of its citizens should be discouraged on social media. From that topic you have produce a mini-rant based on religion and person bigotry that has nothing to do with any of this. Is your intent to convey antisemitism?
Horrible it is, but it is a book and not Facebook or other social media. As such it's distribution is going to be quite limited and generally outside the scope of the measures under discussion.
-1 troll? That isn't a troll. Seems to be factual and well sourced.
If we include the wider intelligence community, from 1999 to 2009 it looks like 7 out of 10 made complaints that didn't include retaliation as an element.
Intelligence Whistleblower Law Has Been Used Infrequently
Does it somehow surprise you that someone engaged in shady behavior might also engage in harassment and retaliation? Vigorous enforcement of the protective statutes is going to help reduce the incidence of retaliation.
If you think that any of this is some excuse for Edward Snowden stealing a couple of million Top Secret documents and handing them to foreigners to make them available to all comers you've been chasing too many parked cars.
I hope you've found this educational.
Now? The right wing have always accused the ACLU of having a liberal bias.
And you think that is "odd"?
The ACLU’s Communist, Atheist Roots
The ACLU’s untold Stalinist heritage
They aren't quite as bad as they started, but they still are trying to drive American society towards its vision, which is very different than that of the Founders.
Then again, I'm not sure there is anything they haven't accused of having a liberal bias.
I'm curious, have you even investigated to see if there might be anything to it?
Survey: 7 percent of reporters identify as Republican
Republicans’ media bias claims boosted by scarcity of right-leaning journalists
Survey shocker: Liberal profs admit they’d discriminate against conservatives in hiring, advancement
Moving Further to the Left
Lawyers are more liberal than general population, study finds; what about judges?
Do you think we need to cover unions? Civil servants?
And if you have the curiosity, you might find a surprise or two, or three.
Some places to find new perspectives:
National Review
Weekly Standard
Commentary
Reason
Instapundit
Dennis Prager / Prager U
Hugh Hewitt
People keep forgetting that it was that or not say anything at all. Legal whistle blowing doesn't work. That means there will always be some legal angle like the one you espouse that allows the powers-that-be to punish anyone that steps out of line.
Baloney. Snowden should have gone to Congress. What gets many whistle blowers in trouble is going to the press instead of Congress.
And yes, there have been whistle blowers that were abused and persecuted unjustly, and some of the people that engaged in that abuse are under investigation now.. Either way that doesn't make what Snowden did right. And really it doesn't matter how badly Snowden screwed the US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, and so on ..... he will still have a big fan base. Of course the chickens are starting to come home to roost.
Whatever China and Russia are, neither is a dictatorship. That is an ignorant characterization.
Sure, China has a shadow government in the form of the Communist Party, which controls the selection of those who stand for election Congress. Big deal. The USA has a shadow government in the form of the Demopublican establishment, with a death grip on the selection of those who stand for election to Congress and for President.
China is in essence a one-party communist dictatorship.* If you debate that the ignorance is yours no matter how interesting you find the apparatus.
The Communist Party isn't just a "shadow government," it is a pervasive ruling party whose edicts are backed up by the secret police. And note that it is the Communist Party that controls the military, not the government.
It appears that in Russia the rules will be adjusted to let Putin rule as long as he cares to.
*Spare me the "patriotic front" argument.
The company did also say that its community standards "make it clear there is non place for terrorists or content that promotes terrorism on Facebook."
Even when the terror is being incited by a major state like the US or China? Or Israel? Somehow I doubt they're going to stick by this.
And what "terrorism" is that going to be? Somehow I doubt this is going to be tested.
There are problems with using social media as a platform for inciting and planning violence.
The current state of Israel was restored in the same place as the former Kingdom of Israel, which existed before the term "Palestine" was given to the area by the Romans (who ethnically cleansed the region of many of the Jewish population).
None of that explains why CNN reported on Building 7 20 mins before it fell.
@@ .... Right, nobody reports major buildings on fire. (especially when part of the complex under a major terrorist attack)
September 11: Chronology...
4:10 p.m.: Building 7 of the World Trade Center complex is reported on fire.
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Plus investigations using computer models only contrive one possible scenario, none of which are likely scenarios.
You're kidding. Computer aided design, modeling, and analysis are basic, key tools in engineering these days.
Apparently it is news to you that unlikely events do happen. NIST verified what seems to be a design problem.
Add alien invasion into the computer model because at this point is far more likely.
The problem here isn't "aliens" but trolls.
You seem to be going in a lot of wrong directions. Maybe this will help:
World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories
In the PBS documentary America Rebuilds, which aired in September 2002, Larry Silverstein, the owner of 7 WTC and leaseholder and insurance policy holder for the remainder of the WTC complex, recalled a discussion with the fire department in which doubts about containing the fires were expressed. Silverstein recalled saying, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it". "They made that decision to pull", he recalled, "and we watched the building collapse." Silverstein issued a statement that it was the firefighting team, not the building, that was to be pulled.[72][78][79]
And this:
NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.
In response to comments from the building community, NIST conducted an additional computer analysis. The goal was to see if the loss of WTC 7's Column 79—the structural component identified as the one whose failure on 9/11 started the progressive collapse—would still have led to a complete loss of the building if fire or damage from the falling debris of the nearby WTC 1 tower were not factors. The investigation team concluded that the column's failure under any circumstance would have initiated the destructive sequence of events.
You might want to look into these resources:
Debunking 9/11 Myths: Introduction to PM Expanded Investigation
The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11
NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
You might want to look into these too:
Debunking 9/11 Myths: Introduction to PM Expanded Investigation
The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11
You're neglecting the facts.
NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report