Murder isn't nearly as big a deal as telling secrets.
You break a code, you sink a battle fleet. It happened to Japan at Midway in WW2. If a war had broken out with the Soviet Union, it might very well have happened to the US fleet. Breaking the Enigma code may very well have been what prevented Britain from being starved into submission in WW2 by the German U-boats.
Intelligence officials last week disclosed some details on two thwarted attacks - one targeting the New York subway system, one to bomb a Danish newspaper office that had published the cartoon depictions of the Prophet Mohammad. Alexander and Sean Joyce, deputy director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, offered additional details on two other foiled plots, including one targeting Wall Street.
Under questioning, Joyce said the NSA was able to identify an extremist in Yemen who was in touch with an individual in Kansas City, Mo. They were able to identify co-conspirators and thwart a plot to bomb the New York Stock Exchange.
Joyce also said a terrorist financier inside the U.S. was identified and arrested in October 2007, thanks to a phone record provided by the NSA. The individual was making phone calls to a known designated terrorist group overseas.
It doesn't matter how much they disclose if you don't listen. Maybe they should send the stories to Wikileaks, maybe then it would get people's attention.
Some sealing issues have arisen frequently enough for case law about them to be developed. Some types of information are understood to be properly protected by sealing, such as national security secrets. Some proceedings are understood to be properly held in secret, such as grand jury proceedings. The identities of some parties, such as juveniles, are properly protected by sealing or redaction. The following are summaries of the case law pertaining to several such issues.
National Security
On rare occasions, adjudication of a case requires presenting to the court classified information, which is information an intelligence agency has determined could result in damage to national security if it were disclosed to the wrong person.20 The Executive Branch decides access and storage limits for classified information.21 The public is given access to cases involving classified information by redacting the classified information from the public record.22
The big new Chinese supercomputer is ~ 34 petaflops. Exascale is 1,000,000 petaflops. That is a pretty big difference in scale. Although current supercomputers have tended to be "more of the same" stacked higher, the difference in scale here may signify a difference in kind. At the least there are likely to be some new engineering and programming challenges involved if they are really going to exploit that kind of potential.
Why does it matter if someone is a "us person"? Fuck off spying on me America.
I doubt "they" are spying on you so much as spying on the people around you that HM government are watching, concerned about, and which emerge from the population segment that will constitute a rapidly growing percentage of the population unless native Britons begin having children again.
I suspect that the future Troubles will leave people pining for the old Troubles unless these portents change. Of course if you like goat, and prefer your women veiled, it may not be all bad. Of course singing Jerusalem will likely be considered "offensive" at some point.
What is human right and human freedom that USA Government have been actively accusing other countries of lacking whereby they are spying on their own people in their own backyard?
If you read the into, if they can identify you as a United State citizen for this purpose, they won't look.
Does surveillance of internet traffic by the US mean that the people of China, North Korea, or Cuba can vote for more than one political party? Has it diminished the number of American political parties? In both cases, no.
Does surveillance of internet traffic by the US mean that Pakistan has started protecting religious minorities in a meaningful way, instead of allowing them to be killed? Has it closed any churches in America? In both cases, no.
Does surveillance of internet traffic by the US mean Syria has stopped political oppression? No. Did it create it? No.
Surveillance of internet traffic by US intelligence agencies has changed little, or nothing.
As to the rights, this isn't all inclusive, but a good start.
The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The right to vote in free and fair elections. Free exercise of religion; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition the government for redress of grievances Protection from unreasonable search and seizure. (And note that just because you consider it unreasonable doesn't mean that the law does.) Due process, no double jeopardy, protection against self-incrimination. Trial by jury and rights of the accused; speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel Civil trial by jury. Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.
Americans also have other protections that the government may not necessarily be a strong advocate for internationally. The right to keep and bear arms. Protection from quartering of troops in one's home
One party states by definition aren't offering free and fair elections. Communist states have generally been oppressive in many regards, including freedom of religion, speech, and press. Many states oppress ethnic or religious minorities.
The United States can continue to address these and other human rights issues.
However, thinking about this logically most places you can get the source code and executable from the same place... and if the executable matches... how paranoid can you be?
Today, in day to day practice, you are on "reasonably safe grounds" if you get the executable from either the authoritative source, or an associated mirror, and it matches the published cryptographic checksum/hash value. (md5, SHA, etc.) Of course if you can build from source, after checking the checksum of the source archive, and of any libraries you need to add, you should be in good shape as well. (And it isn't necessarily a bad thing to plan ahead and grab a copy, and then wait a little bit for either source or patches. Sometimes a patch turns out to break things. Rarely you will find out there was an intrusion last week at the site you grabbed your software from. Not being on the bleeding edge sometimes give you added buffer.) And I would avoid building and testing on production systems - use separate build & test systems, even if they are Virtual Machines like VMware or VirtualBox.
It is a good practice to make use of checksums to check the validity of important files being copied or archived as well since sometimes the process can go badly for various reasons.
Your point about Windows source from Nigeria is spot on. Dealing in stolen code, more generally, is seldom an aid to doing anything legal, and may cause enormous problems.
What can be privatized can be outsourced. Much ITC related outsourcing goes to India. Lately there has been a trend of Indian firms hiring Americans to do work for them. It is possible that by privatizing and outsourcing technology related spying, things could come full circle and have Americans spying on Americans again, like nature intended.
This is the real damage the NSA has done in spying on the American people. Now every other country feels like they need it, because the US does.
Ah, cultural chauvinism.... how on earth could those other people find the way if they didn't have an example to follow? I'll break it to you gently: Neither the terrorism by al Qaida nor the alleged surveillance by the Indian government has much of anything to do with the US. They each have their own independent values, ideals, goals, and work to achieve them. Spying by government and terrorism existed long before the United States, and it wasn't psychic powers anticipating the United States that induced people to engage in those practices then any more than it does today.
Al Qida wants to restore what they believe to be the lost glory of Islamic civilization of a 1,000 years ago, recreate the Islamic Caliphate that was dissolved in 1923 after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, conquer the world for Islam, and convert the world's peoples to Islam. They want to overthrow pretty much all of the existing governments in Muslim nations for not following their strict interpretation of Islam. You may think it is unrealistic, but that is their goal, even if it takes 1,000 years. The existence of nonexistence of the United States has little to do with it. If you want to blame anyone, blame Europe for repelling the Muslim invasion at the gates of Vienna in 1683.
And when it comes to India, the largest democracy in the world, as a rapidly modernizing country that is supplier of IT talent to the world, why should they be left out of the surveillance sweepstakes? They might have a reasonable concern or two at home, given they have an active Maoist communist insurgency, which conducted 351 attacks in 2011, and a bit of a terrorism problem arising from both their neighbor Pakistan and a small fraction of the native 100,000,000 Indian citizens that are Muslim. Maybe you've heard of the Mumbai attack? As it happened: Mumbai attacks 29 Nov - 195 people dead and hundreds more injured.
The Indian people and government will have to find their own way, and strike their own balance to match their own conditions, traditions, and laws.
Yet you seem unwilling to accept that any such thing as a non-Muslim terrorist might exist, so you take (1) at face value and then use that to argue that (2) is unlikely to be true and surely they are really actually anti-semites like terrists are suppose to be.
That is an interesting reading since I never write or imply anything like it. How did you arrive at that?
This argument is silly. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, I know
That commenters here often have little familiarity with actual Constitutional and national security law, and that their passing familiarity with ordinary criminal law can lead them astray.
You generally wouldn't think of something like this coming from people associated with the Klan. Maybe they were self-loathing Klan members. Sure, they hate Jews, but they hate themselves more, so they sell to the people they hate (Jews) to injure the people they hate more (themselves). It seems to have worked.
Apparently, Crawford was an industrial engineer for GE and a KKK member -- which just makes it all that much weirder that they'd try to sell it to Jewish organizations.
There are many Muslims in the United States as recent immigrants. As Klan members they could be expressing the traditional Klan hatred towards immigrants. Or maybe the Klan has decided to add a new line item on the hate list. They might have an added incentive since New York was the target of half of the 9/11 attacks, and maybe the 10 year anniversary planted a seed. I doubt that some identifiable group attacking the US would fill the Klan with love for them. After all, in the Klan's eyes, Jews may be the hidden cabal controlling the world, but they aren't openly killing Americans by the thousands. There was also the "Ground Zero mosque" controversy. I expect more will come out at the trial.
At first, the Ku Klux Klan focused its anger and violence on African-Americans, on white Americans who stood up for them, and against the federal government which supported their rights. Subsequent incarnations of the Klan, which typically emerged in times of rapid social change, added more categories to its enemies list, including Jews, Catholics (less so after the 1970s), homosexuals, and different groups of immigrants. -- more
The FBI charged Glendon Scott Crawford, 49, who is an industrial mechanic with General Electric in Schenectady, and alleged co-conspirator Eric J. Feight, 54, who works for an electronics company in Columbia County, with material support to terrorists, including use of a weapon of mass destruction.
Crawford told undercover FBI agents dujring a year-long investigation that he is “a member of the Ku Klux Klan, specifically, the United Northern & Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.” -- more
Given that the KKK tends to hate Jews as much, or in some cases more than blacks, you have to wonder if they really intended to benefit Jews? It seems unlikely. Perhaps they intended to sell them sabotaged devices, or would turn one on them after taking their money. Or maybe their thinking was that it would in some manner discredit Jews generally if an anti-Muslim plot that could be linked to some Jewish people or organizations was found out by authorities. Hard to say. Very strange though. I certainly wouldn't expect genuine racist Klan members to willingly advance the interests of Jews.
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Murder isn't nearly as big a deal as telling secrets.
You break a code, you sink a battle fleet. It happened to Japan at Midway in WW2. If a war had broken out with the Soviet Union, it might very well have happened to the US fleet. Breaking the Enigma code may very well have been what prevented Britain from being starved into submission in WW2 by the German U-boats.
It isn't a trivial thing.
Because:
Officials from President Obama down have said they welcomed the opportunity to explain the importance of the programs...
But only to secret judges on secret courts.
Same story, different day. They are speaking publicly, but not everyone is listening, paying attention, or caring.
NSA director: Surveillance foiled 50 terror plots
FBI deputy director: NSA foiled NYC bombing plots
NSA director says surveillance foiled plot against Wall Street
Intelligence officials last week disclosed some details on two thwarted attacks - one targeting the New York subway system, one to bomb a Danish newspaper office that had published the cartoon depictions of the Prophet Mohammad. Alexander and Sean Joyce, deputy director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, offered additional details on two other foiled plots, including one targeting Wall Street.
Under questioning, Joyce said the NSA was able to identify an extremist in Yemen who was in touch with an individual in Kansas City, Mo. They were able to identify co-conspirators and thwart a plot to bomb the New York Stock Exchange.
Joyce also said a terrorist financier inside the U.S. was identified and arrested in October 2007, thanks to a phone record provided by the NSA. The individual was making phone calls to a known designated terrorist group overseas.
It doesn't matter how much they disclose if you don't listen. Maybe they should send the stories to Wikileaks, maybe then it would get people's attention.
Don't give them ideas, or they might amend the charges.
Why is it a sealed criminal complaint? I thought that only those with something to hide needed privacy?
There is almost certainly classified information to protect in the case.
Sealing Court Records and Proceedings: A Pocket Guide
Specific Record and Proceeding Issues
Some sealing issues have arisen frequently enough for case law about them to be developed. Some types of information are understood to be properly protected by sealing, such as national security secrets. Some proceedings are understood to be properly held in secret, such as grand jury proceedings. The identities of some parties, such as juveniles, are properly protected by sealing or redaction. The following are summaries of the case law pertaining to several such issues.
National Security
On rare occasions, adjudication of a case requires presenting to the court classified information, which is information an intelligence agency has determined could result in damage to national security if it were disclosed to the wrong person.20 The Executive Branch decides access and storage limits for classified information.21 The public is given access to cases involving classified information by redacting the classified information from the public record.22
With the trial of Private Manning underway, and Snowden now indicted, it looks like it will be a summer full of heated discussion.
The big new Chinese supercomputer is ~ 34 petaflops. Exascale is 1,000,000 petaflops. That is a pretty big difference in scale. Although current supercomputers have tended to be "more of the same" stacked higher, the difference in scale here may signify a difference in kind. At the least there are likely to be some new engineering and programming challenges involved if they are really going to exploit that kind of potential.
Shame the space race died once America made target and the USSR fell apart. If that had kept going, we'd be living in apartments on Mars by now.
Maybe, but the rent would be too darn high.
Why does it matter if someone is a "us person"? Fuck off spying on me America.
I doubt "they" are spying on you so much as spying on the people around you that HM government are watching, concerned about, and which emerge from the population segment that will constitute a rapidly growing percentage of the population unless native Britons begin having children again.
Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser ... where Muslim imams could sit alongside Anglican and Catholic bishops.
7 July 2005 London bombings
At Least 4,000 Suspected of Terrorism-Related Activity in Britain, MI5 Director Says - A few years old, but I doubt it has changed much.
MI5 warns al-Qaida regaining UK toehold after Arab spring
What do British Muslims think of the UK?
Muslim Gangs Enforce Sharia Law in London
2066: White Britons will be in the minority in UK
The British women converting to Islam
David Cameron studies plans for multi-faith Lords -
I suspect that the future Troubles will leave people pining for the old Troubles unless these portents change. Of course if you like goat, and prefer your women veiled, it may not be all bad. Of course singing Jerusalem will likely be considered "offensive" at some point.
What is human right and human freedom that USA Government have been actively accusing other countries of lacking whereby they are spying on their own people in their own backyard?
If you read the into, if they can identify you as a United State citizen for this purpose, they won't look.
Does surveillance of internet traffic by the US mean that the people of China, North Korea, or Cuba can vote for more than one political party? Has it diminished the number of American political parties? In both cases, no.
Does surveillance of internet traffic by the US mean that Pakistan has started protecting religious minorities in a meaningful way, instead of allowing them to be killed? Has it closed any churches in America? In both cases, no.
Does surveillance of internet traffic by the US mean Syria has stopped political oppression? No. Did it create it? No.
Surveillance of internet traffic by US intelligence agencies has changed little, or nothing.
As to the rights, this isn't all inclusive, but a good start.
The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The right to vote in free and fair elections.
Free exercise of religion; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition the government for redress of grievances
Protection from unreasonable search and seizure. (And note that just because you consider it unreasonable doesn't mean that the law does.)
Due process, no double jeopardy, protection against self-incrimination.
Trial by jury and rights of the accused; speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
Civil trial by jury.
Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.
Americans also have other protections that the government may not necessarily be a strong advocate for internationally.
The right to keep and bear arms.
Protection from quartering of troops in one's home
One party states by definition aren't offering free and fair elections.
Communist states have generally been oppressive in many regards, including freedom of religion, speech, and press.
Many states oppress ethnic or religious minorities.
The United States can continue to address these and other human rights issues.
South Vietnam might have turned out like South Korea if the Democratic Congress hadn't voted to cut off aid to South Vietnam.
Maybe this will help you sort out the difference. It shouldn't be that hard if you watch at least the first, if not both.
The Soviet Story (2008)
A Portrait of Stalin: Secret Police
If that is what you think, then you don't understand their goals. Second paragraph.
More: The Future of Terrorism: What al-Qaida Really Wants
Matthew Parris: As an atheist, I truly believe Africa needs God
Are Savages Noble?
The Effect of Cell Phone Coverage and Political Violence in Africa
However, thinking about this logically most places you can get the source code and executable from the same place... and if the executable matches... how paranoid can you be?
How paranoid do you want to be? Reflections on Trusting Trust - Ken Thompson
Today, in day to day practice, you are on "reasonably safe grounds" if you get the executable from either the authoritative source, or an associated mirror, and it matches the published cryptographic checksum/hash value. (md5, SHA, etc.) Of course if you can build from source, after checking the checksum of the source archive, and of any libraries you need to add, you should be in good shape as well. (And it isn't necessarily a bad thing to plan ahead and grab a copy, and then wait a little bit for either source or patches. Sometimes a patch turns out to break things. Rarely you will find out there was an intrusion last week at the site you grabbed your software from. Not being on the bleeding edge sometimes give you added buffer.) And I would avoid building and testing on production systems - use separate build & test systems, even if they are Virtual Machines like VMware or VirtualBox.
It is a good practice to make use of checksums to check the validity of important files being copied or archived as well since sometimes the process can go badly for various reasons.
Your point about Windows source from Nigeria is spot on. Dealing in stolen code, more generally, is seldom an aid to doing anything legal, and may cause enormous problems.
Has anybody thought about recompiling the source and seeing if you get the same binary?
That doesn't necessarily work unless you have the exact same build environment (libraries, compilers, etc.), and compiler settings.
What can be privatized can be outsourced. Much ITC related outsourcing goes to India. Lately there has been a trend of Indian firms hiring Americans to do work for them. It is possible that by privatizing and outsourcing technology related spying, things could come full circle and have Americans spying on Americans again, like nature intended.
Is this a great country, or what?
This is the real damage the NSA has done in spying on the American people. Now every other country feels like they need it, because the US does.
Ah, cultural chauvinism.... how on earth could those other people find the way if they didn't have an example to follow? I'll break it to you gently: Neither the terrorism by al Qaida nor the alleged surveillance by the Indian government has much of anything to do with the US. They each have their own independent values, ideals, goals, and work to achieve them. Spying by government and terrorism existed long before the United States, and it wasn't psychic powers anticipating the United States that induced people to engage in those practices then any more than it does today.
Al Qida wants to restore what they believe to be the lost glory of Islamic civilization of a 1,000 years ago, recreate the Islamic Caliphate that was dissolved in 1923 after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, conquer the world for Islam, and convert the world's peoples to Islam. They want to overthrow pretty much all of the existing governments in Muslim nations for not following their strict interpretation of Islam. You may think it is unrealistic, but that is their goal, even if it takes 1,000 years. The existence of nonexistence of the United States has little to do with it. If you want to blame anyone, blame Europe for repelling the Muslim invasion at the gates of Vienna in 1683.
And when it comes to India, the largest democracy in the world, as a rapidly modernizing country that is supplier of IT talent to the world, why should they be left out of the surveillance sweepstakes? They might have a reasonable concern or two at home, given they have an active Maoist communist insurgency, which conducted 351 attacks in 2011, and a bit of a terrorism problem arising from both their neighbor Pakistan and a small fraction of the native 100,000,000 Indian citizens that are Muslim. Maybe you've heard of the Mumbai attack? As it happened: Mumbai attacks 29 Nov - 195 people dead and hundreds more injured.
The Indian people and government will have to find their own way, and strike their own balance to match their own conditions, traditions, and laws.
Yet you seem unwilling to accept that any such thing as a non-Muslim terrorist might exist, so you take (1) at face value and then use that to argue that (2) is unlikely to be true and surely they are really actually anti-semites like terrists are suppose to be.
That is an interesting reading since I never write or imply anything like it. How did you arrive at that?
This argument is silly. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, I know
Ah, now I see. Never mind.
It looks like the UK received 201 extradition requests for the crime of rape in 2011/2012. It wouldn't appear that the Assange case is an outlier.
The first link was from 2009, and yes, it was extended in 2011. So it remains the law of the land.
You managed to gloss over a number of other important issues in the second link.
As far as your original comment - the Patriot Act is only a small part of the law governing national security, let alone the NSA.
That commenters here often have little familiarity with actual Constitutional and national security law, and that their passing familiarity with ordinary criminal law can lead them astray.
What the NSA is doing goes well beyond the authorization of the Patriot act.
Obama Supports Extending Patriot Act Business Records Snooping
Court Affirms Wiretapping Without Warrants
You generally wouldn't think of something like this coming from people associated with the Klan. Maybe they were self-loathing Klan members. Sure, they hate Jews, but they hate themselves more, so they sell to the people they hate (Jews) to injure the people they hate more (themselves). It seems to have worked.
Apparently, Crawford was an industrial engineer for GE and a KKK member -- which just makes it all that much weirder that they'd try to sell it to Jewish organizations.
Maybe, maybe not.
Klan members are able to prioritize their hate to suit their concerns.
David Duke of the KKK hates Jews/Zionists more than blacks
United In Hate? Fmr. KKK Leader David Duke Endorses Black Anti-Zionist For Congress
There are many Muslims in the United States as recent immigrants. As Klan members they could be expressing the traditional Klan hatred towards immigrants. Or maybe the Klan has decided to add a new line item on the hate list. They might have an added incentive since New York was the target of half of the 9/11 attacks, and maybe the 10 year anniversary planted a seed. I doubt that some identifiable group attacking the US would fill the Klan with love for them. After all, in the Klan's eyes, Jews may be the hidden cabal controlling the world, but they aren't openly killing Americans by the thousands. There was also the "Ground Zero mosque" controversy. I expect more will come out at the trial.
At first, the Ku Klux Klan focused its anger and violence on African-Americans, on white Americans who stood up for them, and against the federal government which supported their rights. Subsequent incarnations of the Klan, which typically emerged in times of rapid social change, added more categories to its enemies list, including Jews, Catholics (less so after the 1970s), homosexuals, and different groups of immigrants. -- more
They were probably just broke and got solicited by undercover FBI goons to make a "terrorist" plot.
Looks like they both had jobs.
KKK Member Tried to Sell X-Ray Weapon to Kill ‘Israel’s Enemies’
The FBI charged Glendon Scott Crawford, 49, who is an industrial mechanic with General Electric in Schenectady, and alleged co-conspirator Eric J. Feight, 54, who works for an electronics company in Columbia County, with material support to terrorists, including use of a weapon of mass destruction.
Crawford told undercover FBI agents dujring a year-long investigation that he is “a member of the Ku Klux Klan, specifically, the United Northern & Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.” -- more
Given that the KKK tends to hate Jews as much, or in some cases more than blacks, you have to wonder if they really intended to benefit Jews? It seems unlikely. Perhaps they intended to sell them sabotaged devices, or would turn one on them after taking their money. Or maybe their thinking was that it would in some manner discredit Jews generally if an anti-Muslim plot that could be linked to some Jewish people or organizations was found out by authorities. Hard to say. Very strange though. I certainly wouldn't expect genuine racist Klan members to willingly advance the interests of Jews.
David Duke of the KKK hates Jews/Zionists more than blacks
United In Hate? Fmr. KKK Leader David Duke Endorses Black Anti-Zionist For Congress