At the moment your courtesy and understanding seem to have converged. But perhaps there is hope. If you live another 50 years do you think you'll be able to process new facts that contradict your poorly founded beliefs?
I don't work for either the government or defense contractors, so that is another area you don't have right.
You'll have to do better than that. The US agencies don't hand information to competitors either. France, on the other hand, does. Hmmmm.... you may need to start rethinking your position. Holes in it have started to emerge before any actual effort has been expended. Could that be because it is based on nonsense? It would seem so.
There is a disparity in our two examples. The one I gave is a genuine threat. The one you gave is nonsense. The only people that have landed in Guantanamo Bay are members of al Qaida, associated terrorist groups, or people believed to be among them. The total has never even reach 800. "Passed some unknown "legal" line" is pure nonsense. You did get one thing right though - because of Snowden fewer terrorists are likely to be caught.
Snowden stole documents from the governments of the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and others, exposing their intelligence operations and methods. Hostile actors have noted that information and are using against those countries.
You seem to have substituted an imaginary problem (US betraying all its allies) and ignored the real ones of Snowden's damaging acts.
No, it's back to the 1940s. The (Islamo)fascists are the threat. Once again Jews are forced to flee Europe under threat of death, and Mein Kampf (long a popular book in the Middle East) is going back on the shelves in Germany. The point is to arrest the next sabotage / attack / terrorist cell that land by sub / plane / self organizes. "Papers, please"? Not so much.
That's not a "low bar," that is pointing out rubbish, the disparity between what is claimed and reality. You may need a taste of that yourself.
So you say there was a problem with one visitor of the 60,000,000 people that visit the US each year? That is "scary" as a "way things are headed" AKA a "trend." Do you think it will hit 2 in 60,000,000 soon?
Bets on how long until an NSA apologist like Mike Rogers or Peter King issues a "blame the messenger" (Snowden) statement?
Even better is the assured rapid delivery of praise and defense of Snowden's treachery against the US and its allies. We never have long to wait for that. I see you're a fan.
I'm curious, if ISIS sends suicide bombers to the shopping mall where your family goes, and they succeeded in killing hundreds due to Snowden showing them how to avoid surveillance, will you still be a fan?
This is like blaming the cheerleader that the team lost the big game because she reported the star quarterback raped her.
No, this is like the team water boy stealing the team's playbook and scouting reports, moving to the arch rival's town, and having it published in the town papers of all of the team's opponents, along with secret routes into the local malls that extremists would like to use to drop a bomb or two among the shoppers.
You're in over your head on the legality of this. Congress, the executive branch, and the courts have repeatedly authorized and supported the NSA actions.
Here's a Pro Tip for you: As a practical matter people in other countries don't like NSA spying on what goes on in their country (even when they are a haven for terrorists and extremists), few of them really care much at all about NSA spying on Americans.
The uproar in other countries is the natural result of Snowden revealing NSA operations in those countires, not in the US.
I think it's pretty unlikely a Western government will steal the identy of one of its citizens and drain their bank account. I wouldn't put that past China and its armies of hackers. If you live in the US or various other countries the Chinese also have nuclear weapons aimed at you. I doubt any nuclear armed Western nation will nuke its own cities or people. If you are traveling in China it doesn't take that much for them to throw you in jail. Give it a try some time. Why not go demonstate on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square? Will the Chinese government protect you from a bomb at your local shopping mall? Probably not. The US government will. Will the US government steal the industrial secrets of an American company and set up a competing company that will put you out of work? The Chinese goverment will. You make a lot of bad choices I think.
The U.S has long since stopped being a country to trust and rely on, and the U.S and its exported products are now something we should instead be wary of.
So, what is it you suggest instead? Buying from and trusting your country? Which one is it? What country is both so trustworthy that we should believe the rants of ACs and is also able to manufacture enough to meet the demand for goods across the whole world?
People should be equally wary of stupid crap like you posted.
The terrorists already won long ago when Dubya and a willing Congress shredded our civil liberties after 9/11.
Since the US currently isn't ruled by Sunni clerics according to Sharia law, and you haven't been put in orange coveralls, placed in a cage, and then burned alive, I'm pretty sure the terrorists haven't won.
Civil liberties in the US are in good shape overall. You don't know what you are talking about.
Who will take credit first? I expect in the morning the conservative talking heads on radio and TV will trip over each other to be the first to take credit for Stewart's departure.
Who will take "credit"? Try "none of them." The very idea is absurd. Who is it that you think had a running campaign to try to get Stewart removed... from another network.... from a highly rated show? I can't imagine what would fill your head with such a bizzare idea.
Considering how much he - the admitted source of fake news - has made them look like buffoons routinely over the years, they likely won't mourn him much.
Stewar made pretty much everybody look like a buffoon at some point, including Democrats and President Obama. (I'm sure you have no recollection of his treatment of the entire Democratic party of South Carolina after the Alvin Green debacle - Alvin Greene Wins South Carolina Primary) The problem with Stewart is he isn't all that even handed.
Work for the fascists, become a fascist yourself. There are times where you have to take a stand or become part of the forces of evil.
In order to stand against evil you generally must be able to identify it. You seldom succeed in this since you are generally anti-American and substitute America for evil while either ignoring actual evil or claiming it wouldn't exist if not for America. That isn't a recipe for successful stands against evil. It's almost the opposite.
Napoleon offered 12,000 francs to improve upon the prevailing food preservation methods of the time. Not surprisingly, the purpose was to better feed his army "when an invaded country was not able or inclined to sell or provide food". Fifteen years later, confectioner Nicolas François Appert claimed the prize. He devised a method involving heating, boiling and sealing food in airtight glass jars — the same basic technology still used to can foods.
How many of those cogs of a war machine do you have at the moment? Shouldn't you rid yourself of them for the sake of purity so you don't feel compelled to hold yourself in contempt?
If we did it, it's cyberterrorism. If they do it, it's law enforcement.
Assholes.
They are part of the government, you are an individual citizen. Do you somehow not see the difference? Is this a difficult point for you?
When was the last time that you personally passed a zoning ordinance and fined people for not obeying it? When was the last time that you personally arrested and imprisoned someone after their appeal to your personal court failed? When was the last time that you imposed and collected taxes? Does any of this ring a bell?
A few of them probably should be hung for treason.
Until you can reliably discern the difference between the powers wielded by a government and you as an individual citizen you aren't really qualified to make any claims of treason.
Morally, every black hat should be targeting these agencies to cause as much damage to them as possible -- because the damage they're doing to our freedoms is immeasurable.
What could possibly go wrong? And of course "black hat" hackers are not a problem in any way. To the extend that you aren't "free" it appears to be mainly due to being captive to some crank ideas.
Thanks, America, for leading the charge in fucking up the planet.
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That's funny, in reading your post I didn't find a single shred of evidence that I'm wrong about that. Whereas you, on the other hand .....
That Time China's State Media Ran An Article About Nuclear Strikes Against Los Angeles
At the moment your courtesy and understanding seem to have converged. But perhaps there is hope. If you live another 50 years do you think you'll be able to process new facts that contradict your poorly founded beliefs?
I don't work for either the government or defense contractors, so that is another area you don't have right.
From the "Questions we'll never hear department": "Is she live, or paper tape?"*
* Homage to old Memorex ad.
You'll have to do better than that. The US agencies don't hand information to competitors either. France, on the other hand, does. Hmmmm.... you may need to start rethinking your position. Holes in it have started to emerge before any actual effort has been expended. Could that be because it is based on nonsense? It would seem so.
No, it isn't. ISIS is an offshoot of al Qaida. And to preempt nonsense, al Qaida isn't either.
There is a disparity in our two examples. The one I gave is a genuine threat. The one you gave is nonsense. The only people that have landed in Guantanamo Bay are members of al Qaida, associated terrorist groups, or people believed to be among them. The total has never even reach 800. "Passed some unknown "legal" line" is pure nonsense. You did get one thing right though - because of Snowden fewer terrorists are likely to be caught.
Snowden stole documents from the governments of the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and others, exposing their intelligence operations and methods. Hostile actors have noted that information and are using against those countries.
You seem to have substituted an imaginary problem (US betraying all its allies) and ignored the real ones of Snowden's damaging acts.
No, it's back to the 1940s. The (Islamo)fascists are the threat. Once again Jews are forced to flee Europe under threat of death, and Mein Kampf (long a popular book in the Middle East) is going back on the shelves in Germany. The point is to arrest the next sabotage / attack / terrorist cell that land by sub / plane / self organizes. "Papers, please"? Not so much.
Brooklyn men who wanted to join ISIS had plans to shoot President Obama, bomb Coney Island: FBI - Thursday, February 26, 2015
Al-Shabaab threatens malls, including some in U.S.; FBI downplays threat - February 21, 2015
Hmmm, what's all this then?
Abbott: Australia to strengthen citizenship laws to combat terror - February 23, 2015
Last I heard, Australia wasn't located anywhere near Moscow.
That's not a "low bar," that is pointing out rubbish, the disparity between what is claimed and reality. You may need a taste of that yourself.
So you say there was a problem with one visitor of the 60,000,000 people that visit the US each year? That is "scary" as a "way things are headed" AKA a "trend." Do you think it will hit 2 in 60,000,000 soon?
Bets on how long until an NSA apologist like Mike Rogers or Peter King issues a "blame the messenger" (Snowden) statement?
Even better is the assured rapid delivery of praise and defense of Snowden's treachery against the US and its allies. We never have long to wait for that. I see you're a fan.
I'm curious, if ISIS sends suicide bombers to the shopping mall where your family goes, and they succeeded in killing hundreds due to Snowden showing them how to avoid surveillance, will you still be a fan?
This is like blaming the cheerleader that the team lost the big game because she reported the star quarterback raped her.
No, this is like the team water boy stealing the team's playbook and scouting reports, moving to the arch rival's town, and having it published in the town papers of all of the team's opponents, along with secret routes into the local malls that extremists would like to use to drop a bomb or two among the shoppers.
You're in over your head on the legality of this. Congress, the executive branch, and the courts have repeatedly authorized and supported the NSA actions.
Here's a Pro Tip for you: As a practical matter people in other countries don't like NSA spying on what goes on in their country (even when they are a haven for terrorists and extremists), few of them really care much at all about NSA spying on Americans.
The uproar in other countries is the natural result of Snowden revealing NSA operations in those countires, not in the US.
You don't seem to have any understanding of the operation of what is known as "representative government."
I think it's pretty unlikely a Western government will steal the identy of one of its citizens and drain their bank account. I wouldn't put that past China and its armies of hackers. If you live in the US or various other countries the Chinese also have nuclear weapons aimed at you. I doubt any nuclear armed Western nation will nuke its own cities or people. If you are traveling in China it doesn't take that much for them to throw you in jail. Give it a try some time. Why not go demonstate on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square? Will the Chinese government protect you from a bomb at your local shopping mall? Probably not. The US government will. Will the US government steal the industrial secrets of an American company and set up a competing company that will put you out of work? The Chinese goverment will. You make a lot of bad choices I think.
The U.S has long since stopped being a country to trust and rely on, and the U.S and its exported products are now something we should instead be wary of.
So, what is it you suggest instead? Buying from and trusting your country? Which one is it? What country is both so trustworthy that we should believe the rants of ACs and is also able to manufacture enough to meet the demand for goods across the whole world?
People should be equally wary of stupid crap like you posted.
The terrorists already won long ago when Dubya and a willing Congress shredded our civil liberties after 9/11.
Since the US currently isn't ruled by Sunni clerics according to Sharia law, and you haven't been put in orange coveralls, placed in a cage, and then burned alive, I'm pretty sure the terrorists haven't won.
Civil liberties in the US are in good shape overall. You don't know what you are talking about.
Who will take credit first? I expect in the morning the conservative talking heads on radio and TV will trip over each other to be the first to take credit for Stewart's departure.
Who will take "credit"? Try "none of them." The very idea is absurd. Who is it that you think had a running campaign to try to get Stewart removed ... from another network .... from a highly rated show? I can't imagine what would fill your head with such a bizzare idea.
Considering how much he - the admitted source of fake news - has made them look like buffoons routinely over the years, they likely won't mourn him much.
Stewar made pretty much everybody look like a buffoon at some point, including Democrats and President Obama. (I'm sure you have no recollection of his treatment of the entire Democratic party of South Carolina after the Alvin Green debacle - Alvin Greene Wins South Carolina Primary) The problem with Stewart is he isn't all that even handed.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
Before you banish them, perhaps you can explain how you expect to remain free? I'm quite certain that snark and contempt are not sufficient.
It certainly helped reduce the spread of Soviet communism, and therefore Soviet concentration camps. Very few people were comfortable in those.
Try again.
I had no idea
The only true part of that post.
Work for the fascists, become a fascist yourself. There are times where you have to take a stand or become part of the forces of evil.
In order to stand against evil you generally must be able to identify it. You seldom succeed in this since you are generally anti-American and substitute America for evil while either ignoring actual evil or claiming it wouldn't exist if not for America. That isn't a recipe for successful stands against evil. It's almost the opposite.
Oh, there is more to it than that. Canning was a vital element of Napoleon's war machine.
Why Napoleon Offered A Prize For Inventing Canned Food
1. Napoleon's Food Preservation Prize (1795)
Napoleon offered 12,000 francs to improve upon the prevailing food preservation methods of the time. Not surprisingly, the purpose was to better feed his army "when an invaded country was not able or inclined to sell or provide food". Fifteen years later, confectioner Nicolas François Appert claimed the prize. He devised a method involving heating, boiling and sealing food in airtight glass jars — the same basic technology still used to can foods.
How many of those cogs of a war machine do you have at the moment? Shouldn't you rid yourself of them for the sake of purity so you don't feel compelled to hold yourself in contempt?
So you did nothting to help the West defend itself or to defeat Soviet and Nazi power? And you think that is a good thing?
I judge those that came to the wrong decision poorly.
Pride in poor judgment is it?
If we did it, it's cyberterrorism. If they do it, it's law enforcement.
Assholes.
They are part of the government, you are an individual citizen. Do you somehow not see the difference? Is this a difficult point for you?
When was the last time that you personally passed a zoning ordinance and fined people for not obeying it?
When was the last time that you personally arrested and imprisoned someone after their appeal to your personal court failed?
When was the last time that you imposed and collected taxes?
Does any of this ring a bell?
A few of them probably should be hung for treason.
Until you can reliably discern the difference between the powers wielded by a government and you as an individual citizen you aren't really qualified to make any claims of treason.
Morally, every black hat should be targeting these agencies to cause as much damage to them as possible -- because the damage they're doing to our freedoms is immeasurable.
What could possibly go wrong? And of course "black hat" hackers are not a problem in any way.
To the extend that you aren't "free" it appears to be mainly due to being captive to some crank ideas.
Thanks, America, for leading the charge in fucking up the planet.
Unserious and apparently unmedicated.
Will your spleen be empty any time soon?
Maybe you could be so kind as to point out the "tyranny" being "loathed" in that post?
Lots of horses? I don't think so. Truly exceptional turncoats like that are once or twice in a generation.
Snowden is wanted as a fugitive from justice. He has refuge in Russia. That's about all there is to it, your theatre aside.