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Reddit Imposes Ban On Sexual Content Posted Without Permission

Mark Wilson writes If you want to post naked pictures or videos of people on Reddit without their consent, you only have a couple of weeks to do so. As of March, the site is imposing a ban on content of an explicit nature that the subject has not given permission to be posted. The cleanup of the site comes hot on the heels of news from Google that explicit content will be banned from Blogger. It also comes in the wake of last year's Fappening which saw a glut of naked celebrity photos leaked online.

311 comments

  1. verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's this mean for the gone wild boards... verified posters only?

    1. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lie and say you have permission?

    2. Re:verified by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 0

      What's this mean for the gone wild boards... verified posters only?

      Should we be happy that these organizations have chosen censorship as a response to abuse?

      After all, they're not liable. They really shouldn't much care.

    3. Re: verified by countach74 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Reddits policy change seems much different than Google's. As a free market, private property type, wouldn't you agree that reddits policy change is moral in that it is an attempt to return property to its rightful owner?

    4. Re:verified by Zanadou · · Score: 1

      I'd say this is directly aimed at the GoneWild boards, actually.

    5. Re:verified by JumperCable · · Score: 2

      The main gone wild boards already required verification.

    6. Re:verified by mvdwege · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Should we be happy that these organizations have chosen censorship as a response to abuse?

      Yes. Next question?

      Too be more expansive: If you think that I as a host should not have the right to throw abusive visitors out of a gathering at my place, you're a fucking idiot.

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    7. Re:verified by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Should we be happy that these organizations have chosen censorship as a response to abuse?

      1. If it's not government if it's not censorship.
      2. We should not be surprised that these organisations have to limit their liability as a response to abuse by their users.
      3. No, we should not be happy that their users have effectively forced them to do this.

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    8. Re:verified by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 1

      actually, since reddit is a for profit enterprise, a model release should be required for any picture of a recognizable person.

    9. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      1: Wrong.
      2: There's almost no liability.
      3: The users haven't forced anything.

    10. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gonewild posts are supposed to be pictures of yourself, not others. So unless reddit is planning on just making it entirely difficult to verify permission, there should be no problems.

    11. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      "1. If it's not government if it's not censorship." do you mean "1. If it's not government, it's not censorship."? If so, you are dead wrong. Radio stations censoring songs, TV censoring shows, movie whatever censoring movies even when the law does not say it should be censored. That is censoring even when the mighty, evil government is not doing it.

    12. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, the entire point of the GW boards are that they're self submitted. It's all the other boards that this could affect.

    13. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problem is that there are more people that use reddit than there are people working at legal firms.

      Every DMCA request sent, consumes hours of time to verify. That's why you get really bad over-reaching and mistakes happening, because people don't want to spend more than 3 seconds reading it.

      The best solution for everyone would be for people to stop being assholes and uploading this stuff without permission/piracy/hacking/etc, but because kids want to be cool by stealing stuff and posting it on imgur and then posting links to it on reddit for "gold", people are intentionally doing this.

    14. Re: verified by 2fuf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it was a property issue, shouldn't it then go for all posted pics, sounds, videos, documents etc.?
      They do single out nudity as subject matter.

    15. Re:verified by 2fuf · · Score: 0

      The harder you curse while making your point, the less I'm convinced by your arguments.

    16. Re:verified by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      No one cares if you are convinced, so all is well.

    17. Re:verified by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Uh wat?

      1) Censorship doesn't apply to just government. If you think it does, then you've never heard or seen self-censorship in action. Especially when someone says something you don't like and are then jumped on by people who get their feelings hurt over it.
      2) So, they know that there's actual abuse? Or they're simply going on based by the feelings of people.
      3) This isn't the first time reddit has done something like this either, they recently went after kotakuinaction for their boycott of the day, banning them from posting contact information which is public. At the same time, they(admins) were running their own stop something or other campaign with exactly the same type of contact information posted in exactly the same manner.

      Reddit has a very selective enforcement policy, and that policy boils down to "freedom of speech, as long as we agree with it." Which of course is funny considering how it was founded on a anti-censorship platform. Then again, they just finished relocating to San Francisco, which is a hub of "feels over reality" hugbox.

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    18. Re:verified by p0p0 · · Score: 1

      If you're the kind of person who doesn't like a word because mommy said it was wrong then you should address those issues before coming into a public forum.

    19. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. If it's not government if it's not censorship.

      This is a lie often repeated on this site. What you mean is one of two things (or both):

      o If it's not government censorship, no free speech applies.

      o If it's not another party redacting the information, it's not censorship, i.e. you cannot censor yourself.

    20. Re:verified by pla · · Score: 1

      If you think that I as a host should not have the right to throw abusive visitors out of a gathering at my place, you're a fucking idiot.

      When you've advertised your party as a "come one, come all, visit the tea room for the lace doilies, or the BDSM dungeon, or jump into the political mosh pit!", then yeah, it takes a lot of damned gall to draw lines around one particular niche puritanical issue after everyone shows up to the party. "Whoah now! Sure, we said we'd have beer for everyone, but we didn't mean beer beer, we meant O'Doul's!"

      That said, you technically have it right - The owners of Reddit have every right to decide what content to allow on their site. Decisions like this have consequences, however, and we've seen it on site after site after site - Get too popular, start banning "offensive" content to appease the advertisers, and watch your userbase move on to the next "Wild West" site.

      If they really want to ban something to promote harmony among the users, they could just get rid of TwoX - But of course, that would look bad, so instead, they will slowly ban everything incompatible with that sub (ie, everything else).

    21. Re:verified by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      basically, yeah.

      changes nothing really, it's not like that material you didn't own copyright for was ok before.

      so what's the change? ten cents?

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    22. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The majority of the pics on the gonewild boards is consented. In fact, that's one of the rules there.

      This is aimed more at reddits like the photo plunder ones. (where they share pics plundered from photo sites before users mark them as private after uploading)

      In addition there's reddits created out there that are geared towards "my ex gf/bf" that they are trying to stop.

    23. Re:verified by TWX · · Score: 1

      Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance.

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    24. Re:verified by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      Wow.

      Having a personal distaste for profanity is perfectly fine.

      Acting like it affects the validity of someone's argument is absolutely inane.

      Have a nice day.

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    25. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or "never offend people with substance when you can offend them with style." My new motto.

    26. Re:verified by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Why? The posters on the gonewild subs have to post a photo of themselves with their reddit username, date, and subreddit name to show that they are posting photos of themselves to that subreddit. Seems like a good policy to me to avoid that whole revenge porn thing.

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    27. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are saying you can't bring beer you stole from someone else and claim it's free. Their advertisers are mostly redditors, there's plenty of wild west left. Let's face it, the fappening brought a lot of heat down on them, a good chunk of which came from their own userbase. Then there was gamergate, which brought more attention. Reddit had to do something, lest it become the den of scum and villainy that 4chan is(no judgements on 4channers I go there myself for some things, but let's be honest here), and lose their market differentiation.

    28. Re: verified by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They already have rules against other types of copyright infringement. They don't tolerate boards where people post nothing but magnet links to pirate content, for example.

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    29. Re: verified by morgauxo · · Score: 2

      If someone takes a picture of you in a public place they own the picture, not you. Then again, I suppose that applies to nude pictures too but most people aren't nude in public very often.

    30. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's swearing because nobody sane thought, in a million years, that it would be controversial to ban revenge porn and stolen nude pictures from a private website.

      But once again, the basement-dwelling manchild #gamergate contingent of the world proves us how shockingly wrong we all were, and how utterly abhorrent some people are in this world.

    31. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stolen nude pictures from a private website.

      If by stolen you mean 'bought' and 'private website' you mean 'SG-wannabe soft-core porn shop,' yes, you're completely correct and not a disingenuous lying dickass at all.

      But once again, the basement-dwelling manchild #gamergate contingent of the world proves us how shockingly wrong we all were, and how utterly abhorrent some people are in this world.

      Come on now, it shouldn't surprise you that an abuser can get off scott-free if they have money. It's disgusting, but it's not like this is the only example of it.

    32. Re:verified by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Should we be happy that these organizations have chosen censorship as a response to abuse?

      "Happy" doesn't enter into it. These are private sites; they can do what they want. If you don't like it start your own Reddit.

    33. Re:verified by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Funny, all three of your examples are consensual activities. Posting nudes without permission of the model? Isn't.

      So yeah, Reddit is in effect throwing out the abusive idiot who think that being invited to your party thinks it is OK to feel up the girls, and when the host complains defends himself with "But they're asking for it".

      I still don't see a downside of this action. I don't think I am merely technically right.

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    34. Re:verified by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      He's swearing because nobody sane thought, in a million years, that it would be controversial to ban revenge porn and stolen nude pictures from a private website.

      That right there is exactly on the money.

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    35. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was just trying to give some helpful advice, but we all know how much everyone likes unbidden advice.

    36. Re:verified by pla · · Score: 1

      Funny, all three of your examples are consensual activities. Posting nudes without permission of the model? Isn't.

      Biiig difference between banning links to "revenge porn" and banning all links to porn without the explicit permission of the model.

      Sure, it sounds nice and progressive and kum-ba-ya-bullshitty to say that even "real" porn models have a right to control the distribution of their images. In practice, you need a bigger stick than Reddit has to force that genie back in the lamp. Hell, you need a bigger stick than world governments have - See how long it takes you to find all the dirt on Max Mosley despite France ordering the internet to forget about him.

      As a result, we end up with "fake havens", echo-chambers where everyone can pat themselves on the back about how much of a difference they've made, essentially by doing nothing more than ignoring the rest of the world. "Good job, guys! We sure showed them! Hey, where'd everybody go?"

    37. Re: verified by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      reddits policy change is moral in that it is an attempt to return property to its rightful owner?

      The owner of an image and the subject in the image are not necessarily the same person. This has nothing to do with "rightful owners."

    38. Re:verified by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Someone already has (before this started). Can't remember the domain, though. Started with a V. If I come across it I'll post back.

      I just hope they keep the code in place so RES can work.

    39. Re:verified by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      why can't it be both?

      fallacy of exclusion, and all.

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    40. Re: verified by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      If someone takes a picture of you anywhere, they own the picture. If you don't want anyone to see naked photos of you, don't pose for naked photos. Maybe this is easier for me since nobody wants to see me naked to begin with, but I don't think it's that hard to say no.

    41. Re:verified by davydagger · · Score: 1

      1. If it's not government if it's not censorship.

      thats terrible methodology. abuse is abuse regardless of who does it. bad things should be stopped because of the overall effect they have, not because who is doing it.

    42. Re:verified by davydagger · · Score: 1
      Its censorship policy is closer to "appease those with power". The irony is that the only reason they gave a shit about "the fappening" is because it was celebrities. people trade leaked pictures of average janes everyday and no one gives a shit. Its only abuse when its celebrities.

      Speaking of the so called "feminists", and supposed "socialists" tend to only support socialist ideals when its protecting people in power, with money, which calls into question their credibility as socialists. Many have a complete active distaste for critical theory along the lines of class, which is more or less disgusting. They are nothing but extremist liberals, and progressives.

      A big glaring contradiction is the entire time #gamergate and the fappening was going on, not a word was mentioned about spousal abuse in the NFL, Bill Cosby raping little girls, and certainly nothing about Roman Polanksy making the last page of the paper as trying to get back into the country. Way too many "feminists", especially those in the Media industry, bend over backwards to apologize for his rape of a thirteen year old girl, using language anyone familiar with the MRA scene should recognize. Most of these "feminists" and "socialists" seem to be OK with not just ignoring, but actively supporting rape culture, as long as its done supporting the existing class structure. (rich/popular people have an explicit right to rape those lower on the totem pole).

      The we get to reddit, which is run by advertisers. Guess what this smells like? Class warfare. I think its time to wake up and shake off the anti-socialist propaganda and get some critical thinking skills.

    43. Re:verified by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Sure, it sounds nice and progressive and kum-ba-ya-bullshitty to say that even "real" porn models have a right to control the distribution of their images. In practice, you need a bigger stick than Reddit has to force that genie back in the lamp

      But that still does not make it right; and it still makes throwing the posters of such material off your boards the right thing to do.

      An appeal to "worse happens elsewhere", or even "If we don't allow bad things here they will move elsewhere anyway" is a shoddy defence. That somehow you don't see the moral bankruptcy of that is rather a reflection on you.

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    44. Re: verified by henni16 · · Score: 2

      The photographer owns the the copyright of his picture, but in jurisdictions with stronger data protection laws than apparently most of the US, that doesn't give a photographer permission to publish the picture without consent of the depicted person.

    45. Re:verified by pla · · Score: 1

      Truly rich, tossing out personal attacks about "moral bankruptcy" in a discussion about privacy rights as they relate to celebrity scandals and porn.

      You win. I just can't compete at that level of rhetorical rigor.

    46. Re:verified by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'Helpful'? Bull fucking shit. The words are 'self righteous'.

      If he had said: 'When trying to convince people with sticks up their butts, it helps to not curse.' That would have been helpful.

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    47. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      voat.co

    48. Re: verified by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Reddits policy change seems much different than Google's. As a free market, private property type, wouldn't you agree that reddits policy change is moral in that it is an attempt to return property to its rightful owner?

      No. I can see "returning property to its rightful owner" if an owner complains. But what they did is more like "prior restraint": you must prove yourself innocent before you can post anything.

      I think the former is a reasonable response. I don't agree that the latter is. You punish everybody for the doings of a relative few bad actors. I don't think that's reasonable at all. There is already far too much of that today. It's like somebody is trying to make the whole world safe for children.

      Well, I've got news: the only world that is 100% child-safe is also a world that is suitable only for children.

    49. Re: verified by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      If someone takes a picture of you anywhere, they own the picture.

      No.

      That is, they may own the picture, but they don't necessarily own rights to the picture.

      It all hinges on "reasonable expectation of privacy". If somebody took a nude picture of you in your home, you probably have good cause to assert "reasonable expectation of privacy", and prevent (or sue somebody for) distributing that photo without your permission.

      That is the primary difference between "anywhere" and "public" in this context. In many -- but not "all" -- public situations, if someone takes a picture of you, that's just too bad.

    50. Re:verified by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Too be more expansive: If you think that I as a host should not have the right to throw abusive visitors out of a gathering at my place, you're a fucking idiot.

      I have no opinion about that at this time, since that is neither what they did or what I wrote about.

    51. Re:verified by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Posting nudes without permission of the model? Isn't.

      This has zero to do specifically with "the consent of the model". It has to do with who owns copyright to the picture.

      That is no small thing. Generally speaking, if you allow someone to take pictures in exchange for money, you have waived any further right to those pictures. The photographer owns them.

      That can change by prior agreement (a signed contract or waiver being the classic examples). But without that, it is generally as I stated. As someone who formerly photographed models, I researched the law and I know it well.

      The point being: a model very seldom has any legal rights to the pictures or videos. A photographed subject might, if not taken under commercial circumstances. But that's a different matter.

      What Reddit did is in fact censorship: in response to a few people abusively posting pictures they did not own, they have effectively banned the practice, because very few if any people are going to "prove" copyright ownership before posting.

      So, as I said elsewhere: they are restricting everybody over the abuses of a few. That's classic censorship. Do they have a right to do that? Maybe. Who cares?

    52. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>> As someone who formerly photographed models

      Even though most photographers are male, many female models have said they're more comfortable with female photographers. Did you find that to be the case? Were female models more comfortable with you than they would be with a male photographer?

    53. Re: verified by countach74 · · Score: 1

      Right. And certainly if a guy takes a picture of his naked girlfriend, that girlfriend has the expectation that the picture is for his private use only. :)

    54. Re: verified by countach74 · · Score: 1

      So then the girls who have made the unfortunate decision of allowing compromising pictures to be taken of them should scour the internet for themselves so that they can make complaints? That hardly seems right. The children argument is a red herring; this has nothing to do with making the world safe for children; this is a matter of who holds the rights to the photo and what sorts of reasonable actions can be taken to protect the property owners. Also, how does this punish "everybody"? If anything, it seems like it only punishes people who are posting naked pictures of others. Well, I suppose it might make certain naked pictures harder to find. I guess if that's your concern, make your own site/app for doing just that. (Remember, Reddit is a for-profit company; they can and should do what they think is in the best interest of their customers.)

    55. Re:verified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason you're confused is due to the first amendment making *governmental* censorship illegal.

      If it's not the government, then the first amendment does not apply. But it's still censorship.

    56. Re:verified by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Were female models more comfortable with you than they would be with a male photographer?

      I didn't hang with other photographers, and the models I worked with were not already-known professionals, so I don't have any way to make a comparison.

    57. Re:verified by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Actually it was. You decried Reddit's decision to throw the scum from their forums as 'censorship'. And given your usual libertard ranting, that's a moral condemnation coming from you.

      So, not only do you think that Reddit has no right to keep scum from their own private property, you don't even have the courage of your convictions to say it outright.

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  2. Slashdot lucks out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lucky that slashdot's commenting system is so ancient and crappy it doesn't have to worry about people uploading gifs or anything else that isn't ascii.

    1. Re:Slashdot lucks out by Sperbels · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think anyone uploads pictures to Reddit. It's mostly posts linked to imgur.

    2. Re:Slashdot lucks out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn straight, and that's the way we like it in these parts. Now get off my lawn!

    3. Re:Slashdot lucks out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they tried to modernize it. And everyone flipped a shit.

    4. Re:Slashdot lucks out by kv9 · · Score: 1

      Cached thumbnails are their biggest problem, which they could disable in NSFW subs.

  3. Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Xac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until it tries to uphold it.

    1. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Copyright infringement and other unauthorized distribution is now classified as free speech?

    2. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      free speech doesn't exist on reddit. Have a read about "shadowbans".

    3. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with copyright infringement.

    4. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by tsotha · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no free speech on reddit. They're no better than Facebook or Google.

    5. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by crossmr · · Score: 1

      actually it partially does. I doubt that most people who are uploading those images to reddit are the copyright holders of them.

      the second part being they also lack a release form from the person(s) in the photos to publish them.

    6. Re: Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Free speech means I get to post naked pictures of others without their consent"

      Man, I thought the idea was a bit more noble. Can't get behind that one.

    7. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why do they need a release? A release is only needed if the photographer is taking the photo for "commercial purposes". So, for example, John Doe is perfectly entitled to upload to facebook photographs he himself has taken as a private individual (so is the copyright owner) without needing a release from anyone depicted.

    8. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Photos and such are not automatically copyrighted. Copyrights have to be explicitly asserted.

      There is no legal concept of having to get "permission" to post photos of others unless you agreed to that before hand. Otherwise it's all fair game, assuming the photos aren't copyrighted.

    9. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Photos and such are not automatically copyrighted.

      Uh, actually, they are. Look at that whole monkey photo debacle.

    10. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is posting nudes of someone without their permission on a commercial website a free speech issue? It might be a criminal issue, but I'm not sure what aspect of "the government doesn't limit citizen's speech" applies to reddit not wanting to participate in the crime of distributing sexually explicit stolen images.

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    11. Re: Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      You mean, the way that they go out of their way to ban people who disagree with them? That's reddits censorship, there's a reason why places like voat are becoming more popular, and reddit even went out of their way to take over the /r/voat and /r/metaredditcancer shadowbanned all the mods, and took them over. That all started over this comment here. And of course we can't forget the thread on /r/games that had 25k deleted comments either, and the majority of people were shadowbanned from that one too, that was a thread on TB relating to the incestuous relationship indie developers have with some game journos.

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    12. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Gotta love how reddit and slashdot are utterly FULL of people claiming to be concerned about "privacy" right up until they are told they are no longer allowed to post pictures of others who have not given their permission, then it's "BUT MAH FREE SPEECH RIGHTS!!!!"

      Computer nerds are hypocrites.

    13. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by jareth-0205 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Until it tries to uphold it.

      In what possible conceivable way is your free speech being curtailed by not allowing you to post stolen nude photos of other people? Some people shout "free speech" at anything. Newsflash cocksucker: your right to self expression does not cover actively harming other people.

    14. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by pla · · Score: 1

      Reddit doesn't host images. People post links offsite (usually Imgur).

      This has nothing to do with copyright.

    15. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free speech protects you against prosecution by the government, not private websites.

    16. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but I'm not sure what aspect of "the government doesn't limit citizen's speech" applies

      The concept of "free speech" doesn't just apply to the government.

    17. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by crossmr · · Score: 1

      Links submitted to Reddit are published through reddit. People use the platform to publish copyright materials.

    18. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when we get photos of Sen. Uptight (D - Mich) getting it on at a prostitute gang bang we will have no where to post it.

    19. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta love how you assume a subset of a website's community, one that is opposed by yet another subset of the same website's community, is representative of the entirety of a much wider community.

    20. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      There is no way to verify "permission"=all nudity is banned, might as well close the internet.

    21. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by tgeller · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course there's a way to verify permission for such photos. It's called a model release.

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    22. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it would be difficult for you to be more wrong. *Any* work is automatically copyrighted as soon as it is 'fixed in tangible form', which includes being stored as a series of bits on a storage device.

    23. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no free speech on reddit. They're no better than Facebook or Google.

      It's not a government imposed restriction on speech, so what's the problem?

    24. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Skidborg · · Score: 1

      Sure you do. Pay up and host your own website.

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    25. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reddit is an aggregator. The original 'publisher' is the site hosting the images.

      Not that hard to understand, unless you have an ulterior agenda.

    26. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to imply we should only worry about assholery promulgated by the government?

    27. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be "the part where the government makes it a crime to distribute images of people without their consent". Sounds like a freedom of speech issue to me.

      Let's check it out:
      - Is it the government doing something? Check.
      - Is it "making a law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press"? I'd say so. Note, I'd agree with the law, but that doesn't make it constitutional.

      If I can't publish a picture of a model without her consent, how about a picture of a congressman? Or a murderer? Where do you draw the line, and how?

    28. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, yeah, since that is all the US Constitution covers.

    29. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by tsotha · · Score: 1

      What does the constitution have to do with anything?

    30. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Xac · · Score: 1

      Legally demonstrable Harm was inflicted in this case? What, the girls had their own business of selling their body and this cut into their profits?

    31. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Legally demonstrable Harm was inflicted in this case? What, the girls had their own business of selling their body and this cut into their profits?

      What a world you live in, where the only possible harm is financial.

    32. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read it, and go figure it out. I'm not going to go in circles with an obvious troll.

    33. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Good lord, you're an idiot. I've read it many times, and it really has nothing to say about what companies I'd like to do business with.

    34. Re:Reddit sure loves it's free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an idiot, because you don't understand what constitutes protected free speech?

      It's their site. If they don't want you posting certain things, they have a perfectly legal right to censor/edit/remove it. And you have a perfectly legal right to not do business with them. So, I reiterate - WHAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM?

      Slashdot uses filters to try to prevent you from posting certain things (all caps, ascii art, repetitive comments). They even recently moved a first post to the bottom of the thread, in order to subdue any further discussion about a big fat ascii penis. 8===D~~~

      I see none of that stops you from coming here.

  4. Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bah! You kids today and your fancy pastebin websites. In my day we would have used uuencoded data pasted into a text field and we were happy to see the grainy image after half an hour!

    1. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Luxury! We had to make do with ACSII versions of naked celebrities!

    2. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Funny

      You haven't lived until you've seen a centerfold spread out over six feet of multiple strips of punched paper tape. :/

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    3. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Hot grits don't looks so good in ASCII art form.

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    4. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back in my day, we had to look at actual naked folk.

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    5. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah! We would've killed to have ASCII. In my day, all we had was Morse Code, and we had to visualize the characters in our brains.

    6. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      From the "Questions we'll never hear department": "Is she live, or paper tape?"*

      * Homage to old Memorex ad.

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    7. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Luxury! We had to suck our uuencoded multipart Usenet posts from the server byte by byte through a straw. It took weeks to get all the parts together so they could be decoded on a slide rule and punched into a card by hand using a blunt nail and a screwdriver as a hammer.

    8. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by IllusionalForce · · Score: 2

      Weird shit.

    9. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by roman_mir · · Score: 1
    10. Re:Kids these days... Re:Slashdot lucks out by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Brings to mind the Maxell ad where the guy is sitting in the chair, hair blown back by the JBL-L100 in front of him.

      Imagine the paper tapes instead of the L100. Except no hair would be blowing back, and I suspect the fellow would be asleep. Other than that, exactly the same.

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  5. Only useful if your find yourself by danknight48 · · Score: 0

    If you believe that someone has submitted, without your permission, to reddit a link to a photograph, video, or digital image of you in a state of nudity or engaged in any act of sexual conduct, please contact us.

    So, the only way to see if someone has "Posted Sexual Content Without Your Permission", is to make me (the permission holder) search through EVERY FUCKING PICTURE on Reddit.

    Awesome!
    bSarcasm = !bSarcasm;

    1. Re:Only useful if your find yourself by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The alternative would be that nobody is allowed to post ANYTHING until someone has verified that it is either (1) not nudity/pornography, or else (2) that it comes accompanied with some kind of proof of permission.

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    2. Re:Only useful if your find yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're idiots. The purpose of the provision is to take down the material that has been reported.

    3. Re:Only useful if your find yourself by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      The whole point of my post was that the person I was responding to was an idiot for his complaint, because the only alternative to what he's complaining about would be completely absurd.

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    4. Re:Only useful if your find yourself by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Reactive moderation works well for most sites, as long as everyone is clear that it's against the rules and will result in posts being deleted and the poster being banned. Are you new to the internet or something?

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    5. Re:Only useful if your find yourself by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      Do you have reading comprehension problems? I'm replying to someone bitching about the reactive moderation being not good enough by pointing out what the only alternative would be (and implicitly, how absurd that would be).

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    6. Re:Only useful if your find yourself by danknight48 · · Score: 1

      The whole point of my post was that the person I was responding to was an idiot for his complaint, because the only alternative to what he's complaining about would be completely absurd.

      I'am an idiot? lol.

      In my post, although very SARCASTIC. You can clearly see that the ONLY way Reddit links can be checked is if everyone (the permission holders) checks EVERY link on Reddit.

      So, by your calculations, i'am not only an "idiot" but "absurd" for stating the facts.

      Get off your fucking high chair.

  6. Crazy at the helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I get the feeling Reddit is about to implode. Their new CEO Ellen Pao has a history of getting herself involved in sexual affairs with married co-workers and then filing sexual harassment lawsuits against her employers. That's how she makes her living, positioning herself to be "harassed" then suing over it. Her husband, who is gay, no kidding, is another lawsuit troll who sues his own employers and even his landlord over claims of racial discrimination, meanwhile he runs a hedge fund which is likely to be a Ponzi scheme and is under federal investigation.

    This interesting power-couple is about to need money again. I give Reddit about six more months before she storms off and then hits them with a $50 million lawsuit for sexual harassment.

    1. Re:Crazy at the helm by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't say doing it once (at least the suit, have no idea or evidence about the affairs) represents a "history". If she sues Reddit next, then I would call it a history. Also, the information I see says that it was not a harassment suit, but a gender discrimination suit. Hard to claim gender discrimination when they make her a CEO. Although I would suspect a guy could probably make a good claim (that would be thrown out because discriminating against males is okay) that Reddit is just hopping on the bandwagon of female CEOs and are thus illegally discriminating based on gender.
      Now, if she is really getting involved in affairs with employees, I might go get me a job at Reddit. She's one hot CEO. I'll get my wife's permission first, or course.

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    2. Re:Crazy at the helm by lucm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was curious about your comment and ended up binge reading stuff about Pao. Based on what I've read, you are spot on.

      Fascinating stuff. Thanks for sharing.

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      lucm, indeed.
    3. Re: Crazy at the helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There's a tiny percentage of female CEOs recently, therefore men are being discriminated

      This is retarded. It's almost retarded as that "white genocide" mantra.

    4. Re:Crazy at the helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true vexed manlet.

    5. Re:Crazy at the helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how is the private life of the CEO relevant to the average reddit user?

    6. Re:Crazy at the helm by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      This is how it works. If a woman complains about gender discrimination or harassment once, she is tainted for life. Every job she gets subsequently will be because she slept her way to the top and threatened someone with a lawsuit to get hired. People associated with here will be the subject of innuendo (her husband is bisexual, not gay, and they have a daughter).

      I've been following coverage of the trial and her case seems to have merit. Ignore that though, all women who complain about harassment or discrimination are just looking to sue their way to the top, because companies are really eager to hire litigious women.

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    7. Re:Crazy at the helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not once, she's done it several times at different companies. It's her modus operandi. Her previous form came out last week in the court docs. Reddit is SJW central regarding staff, but based on Pao's history, you know she'll pull a stunt sooner or later, probably blaming the board.

    8. Re:Crazy at the helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a woman complains about gender discrimination or harassment once, she is tainted for life.

      The only one who thinks that is you. You're judging all women based on the actions of a few individuals (and in this case, just one)

      Not all women are like that
      Not all men are like that
      Not all feminists are like that
      Not all Anonymous Cowards are like that

      People are fucking individuals.

      This sort of discrimination you're displaying is one of the things feminists and anybody interested in equality fight against.

    9. Re:Crazy at the helm by chihowa · · Score: 1

      You're looking to let her off the hook based on a strawman generalization that nobody's making but you. Nobody here is talking about women sleeping their way to the top, but about Ellen Pao specifically, who seems to have a sketchy past and questionable motives.

      Just because you think her case has merit doesn't mean that it's settled. Others think her case doesn't have merit and disparaging them as misogynists doesn't make you automatically win the argument. Your entire post is just one big ad hominem attack.

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    10. Re: Crazy at the helm by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      First of all, the comment you quoted was not mine. Second, the percentage of female CEOs has doubled in the last 10 years. This is not a small change. My question is whether this is due to somebody finally recognizing the merit of certain women, or whether some companies are just trying to create the illusion of being socially progressive and hiring women over men for the position.

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    11. Re:Crazy at the helm by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I've looked into her past, it doesn't seem "sketchy" at all. There is a lot of innuendo, but when you actually examine what has happened it all evaporates.

      Explain what about her current lawsuit is unreasonable or "sketchy". From the coverage it seems reasonable, based on systematic bias and inappropriate behaviour. Let's see what the outcome is.

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    12. Re:Crazy at the helm by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a good thing that your opinion of the case determines its merit.

      Look, I'm sure that you've done more research into this case than I have, but not siding with Pao doesn't mean that someone is motivated by all of the generalizations that your post claimed. How about you lay off attributing everything to the conspiracy of the patriarchy and actually explain the relevant facts of the case if you feel compelled to post something. What you're posting now contributes nothing positive to the conversation at all. You don't win arguments by just calling people names.

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    13. Re:Crazy at the helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your red pill is cutting off the oxygen supply to your brain...

    14. Re:Crazy at the helm by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a good thing that your opinion of the case determines its merit.

      The allegation that she does this habitually or is otherwise unfit / didn't get her position on merit is also an opinion.

      It'a also interesting that you accuse me of name calling, when in fact I did no such thing. You mention the patriarchy - YOU mention it, not me. You are reading all sorts of stuff that just isn't there.

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    15. Re:Crazy at the helm by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      I don't see what the problem is. It has nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman. People have the right to decide if they want to deal with litigious people or not.

      I am a landlord, and I check all applicants against court records. Win, lose, or draw, any applicant who has been involved in 3 or more civil cases is rejected. I don't want to deal with people who can't seem to figure out how to settle disputes without getting the courts involved.

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    16. Re:Crazy at the helm by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Uhm, maybe you're thinking of Ellen Pompeo?

      I think every marriage should have an exception for celebrities though. Which is why I would let my wife sleep with Ellen Pompeo any day.

    17. Re:Crazy at the helm by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      No, Ellen Pao looks pretty hot to me. But then, I've always been partial to Asians. Just ask my Korean wife. Ellen Pompeo doesn't really push my buttons.

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    18. Re:Crazy at the helm by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Ellen Pao looks very average to me, and I'm partial to Asians too. But whatever floats your boat.

  7. Must be getting old... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this day and age don't participate in an act (whatever the act) which is being recorded if having that recording revealed in public could hurt you in some way? It's common sense. It doesn't have to be you in various states of undress in the middle of various sex acts, for some people a video of them out hunting or fishing could be damning. If you don't want others to see it, don't record it, don't let other participants record it and pray that there are no non-participants out there with a camera handy ;)

    1. Re:Must be getting old... by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      Just because you leave your front door open doesn't mean someone has a right to rob your home.

  8. Why stay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First we see the backlash over censorship and bad mods fuel the mass exodus to voat.co. Now they are taking away the porn? Are they trying to burn the site down?

    1. Re: Why stay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Now they are taking away the porn?

      You do realize we can see the actual article? How full of shit can /. posters get?

    2. Re:Why stay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You get your porn from reddit? LOL. FYI: National Geographic magazines have naked girls in them sometimes too and the Sears catalog has pictures of girls in there underwear!

    3. Re:Why stay? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call it a "mass exodus." The most popular subverse is "News" with just over 3k subscribers, and there's obviously going to be people on both.

      Which isn't to say that I hope it (or another site) doesn't succeed. This picture thing, in spite of all the headlines it's getting, is really a nothing in the ocean of dumbfuckery that's been going on at reddit for the past couple of years (The latest apparently being "gold-only" subreddits).

  9. if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then you must think Reddit is a government entity.
    It's not like you can't spend $30 a month for a hosting account or run a web server from your own broadband network
    What's that you say, you don't have a legal department to protect you in the event that a victim of slut-shaming decides to sue you.
    I feel your pain. not so much.

    1. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by blue+trane · · Score: 0

      Why are ppl so afraid of being seen naked? This is some kind of weird social hysteria.

    2. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but that doesn't mean large sites shouldn't be encouraged to keep the culture open to different viewpoints. This isn't just about the legal definition. It's a culture war. do we have free speech by default, or must we contain it in 'free speech zones' to appease the easily offended who've been deluded into thinking the government wants to help them? Slut shaming? What is that? Is that when a girl is criticized for sleeping around? So it's only bad when men do it?

    3. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Shados · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its people's reaction to seeing naked pictures of you that are the problem. You can get fired, disqualified from jobs, shunned, and all around your life can become a living hell.

      If you get beat up in a alley, the damage (aside for the psychological damage from the event itself) might go away once the wounds heal. If you're a teacher and students find pictures of you? You potentially can kiss your career (or at least your next promotion) good bye.

      And its one thing if the person allowed the picture to be taken (though even then, but whatever), but a lot of people abuse of positions of trust, and a lot of those pictures are taken without consent. There's a LOT of assholes out there.

    4. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      I don't have a problem with being seen naked. Society has a problem with seeing me naked.

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    5. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by blue+trane · · Score: 0

      Then let's fix society. Start with a basic income, so that no one has to worry about being on the streets if they lose a job (but you could still live on the streets if you wanted, the basic income should be opt-in). We produce enough surplus to support everyone at a certain minimum standard of living.

      Then when people are freed from the fear of starving if they lose their job, they can work on changing societal attitudes, about naked pictures for example. Screw the hypocritical prudes who think the naked body is something shameful, to ridicule. Societal attitudes can turn on a dime; consider that Kerry lost the 2004 election because of anti-gay marriage sentiment. Things have changed.

    6. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Slut shaming? What is that? Is that when a girl is criticized for sleeping around? So it's only bad when men do it?

      You just showed your true colours. Guys can be slut shamed buy girls too. Notice the new rules do not mention gender; you did.

    7. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to DO with offense. It has everything to do with the right to privacy, which is no LESS important a right than free speech.
      And your free speech rights do NOT include the right to do things that violate my right to privacy.

      A picture taken for one person, under an agreement of confidentiality (even if it's a verbal one) is NOT your property, and you cannot share it and claim that is "free speech". It's NOT free speech. It's violation of contract, theft and invasion of privacy.

      More-over there are a lot of cases (like the fappening) where the sharer was never involved in the "transaction" the image was never GIVEN to them - there wasn't even FIRST level consent- those pictures were stolen by a hacker.

      It has nothing to do with prudishness or offernse. I married an art model, there are many, many naked (and very explicit) pictures of her on the internet - but they are there because she CHOSE to let them be taken, she CHOSE to let them be published.
      There are quite a few pictures from our shoots she didn't want published, because for some reason she wasn't happy with them - and those I have never uploaded anywhere.
      If somebody were to hack me and steal them and upload them -we'd be pissed.

      This is somebody whose entire body, including pussy-close-ups are already on the net, hell there is an artistic erotic picture of her that deliberately includes highly pornographic actions with a vibrator to make a point - that image is on my own website, anybody can see it.
      But that image she consented to having out there.

      It's not about whether nakedness is shameful - it's about who owns somebody's body, and the only RIGHT answer is: they do. THEY have the right to show it or not show it to somebody, and they get to choose whether or not so show it to you. When somebody else takes away their ability to make that choice - they are violating their body-ownership, which is rape pure and simple.

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    8. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      It is a free speech issue!

      Free speech is not limited to the first amendment. Reddit offers a degree of freedom of speech. For a discussion forum, this is seen as a good thing. Now they are offering less freedom of speech. Whether this is a good thing or not is (from a users perspective) a question of the importance of freedom of speech in a forum balanced against the importance of privacy, and from a business perspective a question of balance of the expectation of the users for freedom fo speech against the public perception.

      Freedom of speech is not limited to government.

    9. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      and a lot of those pictures are taken without consent.

      What consent? I find the vast minority are pictures taken without consent. The majority are:

      a) In public where there's no right to privacy and thus no consent (e.g. passed out on the sidewalk after a hell of a fun night)
      b) In private due to own stupidity (e.g. Naked selfie sent over the internet, or sent to third party).
      c) With consent withdrawn at a later date and then complaining about being unable to reverse the Streisand Effect (i.e. amateur porn from ages ago, or that picture you took 10 years ago you wish you didn't).

      The problem is not so much a lack of consent, but that people will openly consent to waaay too much without thought about consequences and ultimately with little recourse when it all goes wrong. Yes this is blaming the victim, and you are right that there are plenty of assholes out there that prey on these kinds of victims, but as a society we are beginning to show an unrealistic expectation of privacy, as the media* and the Streisand effect shows over and over again.

      *Side note I always laugh at the people who come out of the courts and then assault a news camera man because they think they have the right to privacy walking down a public street, only to end up right back in court again.

    10. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's thanks to the British.

      Sex and nudity are evil and need to die.

    11. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bring up (perhaps unintentionally) a good point about revokability of consent. Should someone who consents to have a picture taken of them (in, let us say, a distinctly "private" situation) be allowed to revoke that consent later?

      And, if the consent was conditional - say, that the picture was only for the private personal viewing of the people present at the time it was taken - then is the picture consensual if it's intentionally distributed more widely? Or if it's distributed by a third party who was not party to the consent at all, and obtained the picture by criminal means?

    12. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by kaur · · Score: 1

      If you're a teacher and students find pictures of you? You potentially can kiss your career (or at least your next promotion) good bye.

      Why so? People can legally put their naked pictures to the Internet (dating sites, you own webpage etc) and everyone can legally look at them. Why would one profession be so special in this regard?

      I live in Europe, I have kids going to school, I have friends working as teachers. I don't imagine the schoolmaster firing a teacher on the basis of "mr so-and-so, your naked picture could be seen online". The employee would complain (to governmental organisations who stand against such abuse) and would win.

    13. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then let's fix society. Start with a basic income, so that no one has to worry about being on the streets if they lose a job (but you could still live on the streets if you wanted, the basic income should be opt-in). We produce enough surplus to support everyone at a certain minimum standard of living.

      Ah yes, of course we do. Of course, the "certain minimum standard of living" would also be the maximum standard of living, and would greatly resemble such paradises as Eritrea or North Korea.

    14. Re: if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then start your own version of reddit and allow all the nudie pictures your drives can hold.

      Reddit gets to decide what it allows to happen on its service and not you.

    15. Re: if you think it's a free speech issue--- by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Ignoring your users and doing what you want is not a good way to run a business. Digg tried doing that. Remember Digg?

    16. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Shados · · Score: 1

      Except it happens all the time. In many profession. Even in Europe. Just google a little.

    17. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      What consent? I find the vast minority are pictures taken without consent. The majority are:

      b) In private due to own stupidity (e.g. Naked selfie sent over the internet, or sent to third party).

      And while those pictures are taken with consent, there was never any consent to distribution by the third party or anyone else.

      Frankly, what I'd love to see is some of these people start registering their copyright and going after the third parties and the revenge porn operators for statutory damages. Let's see some of those multimillion dollar judgements that the RIAA/MPAA gets, based on the unlawful distribution. I think juries will have a much easier time smacking some porn king with damages than someone who shares a few albums or movies.

    18. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      No, most guys cannot be 'slut shamed'.

      Many can be 'ugly girl shamed' but not 'slut shamed'.

      That won't work on me, beauty is just a light switch away.

      BTW 99% of slut shaming is done by other women. They can't have the price of pussy being depressed by sluts undercharging. It's already come down from marriage to 3 dates.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    19. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Let's see some of those multimillion dollar judgements that the RIAA/MPAA gets, based on the unlawful distribution

      And the Streisand effect at work.

    20. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no! with your bulletproof argument you totally crushed your meek opponent!

      Slut is a female specific term. So sit down.

    21. Re:if you think it's a free speech issue--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rape ? Are you sure ? That project I had to work extra hours on ? Definitely rape. They used my body beyond what I had agreed. That day someone invaded my personal space in line ? rape. They violated the safety space of my body.

      What the heck, let's just call everything I don't like rape and be done with it.

  10. Not surprised by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reddit's decline started before the censorship of Gamergate. It started before the Something Awful forums invaded SRS and turned it into a joke. It's never was about gender wars. (although some of those events were symptomatic) It was never about politics. (although political vote warring and karma whoring added to the mess.)

    Reddit's decline started the first time legal speech that no one liked was censored. It was an unpopular board. It was a popular decision to ban it despite it not violating rules. I'm not going to name the subreddit that was deleted because which sub it started with is irrelevant.Reddit administration banned a board, signaling that any sufficiently unpopular speech could be removed at will by administration. From that moment those seeking to remove various forms of speech started to work toward influencing admins.

    Some people will applaud this action, saying that no one should have their private pictures posted without their consent. Some people will call this an issue of right to privacy. Those people are misguided.

    When a forum starts to limit legal speech a slowly growing cancer of censorship is inevitable. And don't say, "slippery slope". This has happened over and over and over. It doesn't matter whether people should be posting such pictures. It doesn't matter how distasteful they are. It doesn't matter what intent the poster has. Or how distasteful the poster is. Or the reader. It happened at Digg. It has happened in certain churches. It has happened in Korea. It happened in Russia and China. "It's okay to ban this kind of speech" is never. Never true.

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    If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    1. Re:Not surprised by Gr33nJ3ll0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Free Speech provision of the constitution covers government, not private, censorship. Further, you've never been guaranteed freedom from the consequences of said speech, like having it removed because it's unpopular.

    2. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're ignoring the tragedy of the commons problem. Reddit relies on moderation to deal with thousands of miscreants. Nobody would use the site if they opened up the floodgates.

    3. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The subs removed were for child porn. Child porn != free speech you fucktard. And nor was it legal.

    4. Re:Not surprised by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Free speech isn't just an American's right, it's a human right. Protecting it is necessary for prosperity and freedom whether you're in the US or in North Korea. I never said "Reddit shouldn't do this because it's against the constitution."

      Reddit shouldn't be doing this because it tends to violate an innate human right and because it will destroy Reddit. And since I see you're inclined to take my words out of context I have to say the following: Your next argument would probably be, "yeah right. Posting revenge nudes is a human right" and my reply is this: As I said in my first post, which particular speech is being threatened is irrelevant.

      Censorship is a ball and chain for the soul of man. Whatever the speech in question, the act of censoring it turns the latch that locks the shackle. Whatever the first link, others are added until a great weight is there. And placing that weight on a single family, a forum of millions, or a large and prosperous nation are all immoral.

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      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    5. Re:Not surprised by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      It happened at Digg. It has happened in certain churches. It has happened in Korea. It happened in Russia and China. "It's okay to ban this kind of speech" is never. Never true.

      [citation needed]

    6. Re:Not surprised by jdavidb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reddit shouldn't be doing this because it tends to violate an innate human right and because it will destroy Reddit

      That's Reddit's choice to make, though, right? Just use some other forum.

    7. Re:Not surprised by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Irrelevant. Reddit can do whatever they want in terns of banning, sure, it's their site, but it's not about whether they can, it's about whether they're assholes.

      These days, I don't know where you'd go to discuss unpopular (but legal) topics - even 4chan has been overrun by SJWs.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    8. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you okay with the posting of child porn? That is currently censored. Assuming you are not okay with the posting of child porn, where do you draw the line? And who should get to draw that line? I for one would like to see less ill-gotten nudity in my reddits and elsewhere. I'm okay with the imposed censorship. No way in hell that this destroys reddit. If it does, then it's a loss well deserved.

    9. Re:Not surprised by tsotha · · Score: 2

      There will always be a place. Reddit has simply opened the door to the next bit social media site as it slowly follows Digg (and slashdot, to some extent) into obscurity. People don't like to have their conversations constrained.

    10. Re:Not surprised by Khyber · · Score: 1

      " Nobody would use the site if they opened up the floodgates."

      Explain 4chan and 8chan, then.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    11. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As is our right to criticize them for it.

    12. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you okay with the posting of child porn? That is currently censored. Assuming you are not okay with the posting of child porn, where do you draw the line? And who should get to draw that line? I for one would like to see less ill-gotten nudity in my reddits and elsewhere. I'm okay with the imposed censorship. No way in hell that this destroys reddit. If it does, then it's a loss well deserved.

      You still seem to not understand.
      The "posting of child porn" may not be ok. It doesn't mean I can shackle what I think to be a "child porn possesser", carry him to my basement, and keep him there for life.
      Any entity censoring without due process, be it a prviate firm or the government, is still violating the human rights convention, whether the act being censored was despickable or not. It's violating the presumed criminal's right to a trial by an impartial judge, his right to recourse, and his right to free speech, all in a single act. The accused has the right to not have his rights abused until such time as he is found guilty.

      All the DMCA and these ISP/Content Provider-enforced censoring rules do is further violate people's rights. They won't erase the abuse to a child that is being evidenced in that "child porn pic", as censoring a video of a beheading won't return the head to the beheaded. Those measures just remove the acts from the people's memory, and that is probably a bigger disservice to society than the act itself. Ignoring a crime when it's in your face is being complicit of it. Adding incentives for the destruction of evidence is simply perverse. So censors are complicit of all the crimes they censor, since they stop the dissemination of evidence that can be used to achieve true justice, whatever that may be.
      For some, it's due process. For others, it's a just punishment that does not exceed the gravity of the crime. For yet others it's whatever is more pious. Whatever some society thinks justice is, censorship hurts it, and doing so is against human rights conventions.

      Of course, the US signed no such convention, so it doesn't apply to Reddit.

    13. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why people insist on saying this each and every time there is a complaint about corporate or organizational censorship. It's irrelevant to the argument. The argument is never, "der, the government should protect me from reddit," out of anyone over 12.

      You are really saying, "quit bitching, they have every right to censor, the 1st only applies to the government." No shit, and if you don't wanna read bitching on a post obviously written to get people to bitch, avert your fucking eyes.

    14. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too popular"

    15. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You local laws have nothing to do with a conversation about the principles of free speech.

    16. Re: Not surprised by Fwipp · · Score: 0

      Getting chained up in a dungeon is equivalent to getting a post deleted.

      Good job kid.

    17. Re: Not surprised by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When a forum starts to limit legal speech a slowly growing cancer of censorship is inevitable.

      1. Reddit cannot, in any way, stop you from expressing your opinion. The most they can do is refuse to facilitate said expression.

      2. I find it amusing that such a staunch proponent of True Free Speech would use such a tremendously wiggly, pro-oversight qualifier as legal In defining what they consider acceptable. Legal implies a level of trust in the state that is entirely at odds with the rest of your post.

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      Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    18. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you just identified an opportunity for yourself! Start your own forum. You set the rules. Invite the general public or just the people you want. After all, it's your forum.

      Too much work? Don't have the skills to pull it off? Not enough payoff for you? Ah, well, let someone else do the heavy lifting, worry about the legalities, manage the trolls, protect the innocents and naive, and try to keep *everyone* happy.

    19. Re: Not surprised by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1

      When a forum starts to limit legal speech a slowly growing cancer of censorship is inevitable.

      1. Reddit cannot, in any way, stop you from expressing your opinion. The most they can do is refuse to facilitate said expression.

      2. I find it amusing that such a staunch, unyielding proponent of True Free Speech would use such a tremendously wiggly, pro-oversight qualifier as legal In defining what they consider acceptable. Legal implies a level of trust in the state that is entirely at odds with the rest of your post.

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      Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    20. Re: Not surprised by Fwipp · · Score: 2

      Those sneaky SJWs and their shadow cabal.

      Couldn't possibly be that your particular fringe brand of "I got mine; fuck all y'all" is just being recognized for what it is.

    21. Re: Not surprised by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      I can't believe you're trying to censor me!! I'll say "Slippery slope" as much as I want, it's my god dang given right as a Patriot of America!

    22. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually 1st amendment might apply to businesses. For one there is a public interest. Two, if the business relies on something from government to operate like a business license, then ones business license might require one to strictly obey federal and state constitutions.

      Case in point, bars used to be male only. Women sued, judge ruled in women's favor that their constitutional rights prevented the bar from excluding women. On the basis the bars operation required a special bar license to operate on, which was enough to apply the constitution to the business establishment.

      Also one has found it very hard to deny gays service at most establishments and courts have sided with victims that they cannot deny people access under the constitution even in front of 1st amendment right to free religion claims. See cases of cake shops trying to refuse to make cakes for gays.

      In the case of this internet board business, perhaps refusing to allow excercise of free speech is a claim we could hope to win the same as equal rights for males, females, gays, blacks and whites. The one area where the decision may solely be your own to decide the operation of may be non commercial private boards and communities ran under the table or by individuals.. Prisons might also restrict speech. :/ obamasweapon.com

    23. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

      Any modern world history book from a non-communist censor laden nation, you fuckwad.

    24. Re:Not surprised by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      8chan. 4chan is kill.

      8chan gets SJWs as well, and it even lets them have their own boards. That's doing it the right way – counter speech you don't like with more speech.

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      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    25. Re:Not surprised by Skidborg · · Score: 1

      Online forums/content hosts make their money by hosting content that a particular demographic wants to consume. Wouldn't forcing them to host content for every demographic means that every publisher of content would need to be banned from specializing as well?

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      Supporter of the +1 Over Dramatic mod option. In memory of apk.
    26. Re:Not surprised by Skidborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is slashdot violating a human right by not publishing my cupcake recipes? Isn't that violating my right to free speech? No. Forcing an individual or company to facilitate my speech is not a right, and never has been.

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      Supporter of the +1 Over Dramatic mod option. In memory of apk.
    27. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really that surprising that if/when enough pressure was felt to take administrative action, Reddit would do so?

    28. Re:Not surprised by silentcoder · · Score: 0

      Protecting the right to privacy is not censorship. Your freedom ENDS where mine begins. Your right to free speech ENDS where my right to privacy begins.

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      Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
    29. Re:Not surprised by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      Free speech has nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion. Your freedom has ALWAYS ended where mine began. Your free speech rights ENDS where it would violate my right to privacy.

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      Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
    30. Re:Not surprised by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1

      If Reddit declines because someone is prevented from promulgating rape advice, I'm ok with that. Even if the advice is legal to give and print. I need reddit a lot less than I need my daughter to not be raped. And I'm active on reddit.

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    31. Re:Not surprised by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When a forum starts to limit legal speech a slowly growing cancer of censorship is inevitable. And don't say, "slippery slope".

      Your first sentence is the definition of a "slippery slope" argument. You even used the most obvious word in slippery slope arguments; "inevitable". As the saying goes, "the only two things that are inevitable are death and taxes". Sure there are places where censorship has gotten out of hand but there are many more places where "censorship" has not. For example, Facebook has restrictions on the content of photos.

      You will not post content that: is hate speech, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence.

      Do you think because of that they will later censor political speech too? There are lots of sites that restrict sexual content and still have very broad free speech rules.

      So now breakup posts of nude pictures that were sent in strictest confidence at a time of lust and love is now a freedom of speech issue? Sorry but ruining someone else's life because they discovered you are a duchbag and you are mad at them is not protected speech.

      "It's okay to ban this kind of speech" is never. Never true.

      Sorry but we live in a world that is not as black and white as you seem to see it. Some speech needs to be restricted as it causes damage without having any redeeming qualities.

      Denial of free speech is the first act of tyranny.

      It has been but it also has been the first step in the creation of a civil society. Criminalizing libel and slander has caused people to be sure of their facts before speaking. Do you believe that accusing an innocent person of pedophilia is free speech? Accusations like that can ruin people's lives. It is impossible to prove a negative like "He is not a pedophile"? There will always be the possibility that the proof of guilt was just not found. Too many people believe the saying "where there is smoke there is fire". Sometimes it is just someone trying to ruin someone else's life. Absolutes like "Never true" cause more trouble than they solve. We should be very careful what kind of speech we restrict. I believe requiring a release to post sexual content pictures is a valid restriction.

      Everything is about balance. In this case it is the balance between the right to freedom of speech and and the right to privacy. In this specific instance the right to privacy is more important than the ability to post sexual photos of someone else. Your argument that "if they restrict this they will restrict everything" is just absurd.

    32. Re:Not surprised by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      "It's okay to ban this kind of speech" is never. Never true.

      So, it is perfectly fine to spread lies that you're a paedophile and make you lose your job. No-one has the right to remove those accusations from their forums.

      Really, you Free-Speach fundamentalist libertards are the greatest fun. No right can be absolute as long as you have to share public space with other people. Every attempt at exercising an absolute right will sooner or later come into conflict with other peoples' rights.

      If you want absolute Freedom of Speech, go live in a cave. Or stay in your mom's basement, which is basically the same thing.

      --
      "I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
    33. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can go to StormFront for example. I doubt you'll be constrained by silly things like civility or compassion there.

    34. Re:Not surprised by jklovanc · · Score: 0

      As I said in my first post, which particular speech is being threatened is irrelevant.

      It may be irrelevant to you but it is not irrelevant to the victims of the speech.

      Censorship is a ball and chain for the soul of man.

      Completely free speech is the dagger aimed at the heart of innocent victims..

      Whatever the speech in question, the act of censoring it turns the latch that locks the shackle.

      Whenever evil speech is facilitated, the act of allowing such post pushes the dagger deeper and completes the murder.

      Whatever the first link, others are added until a great weight is there.

      Whatever the first link, more damage is done.

      And placing that weight on a single family, a forum of millions, or a large and prosperous nation are all immoral.

      And killing a single family, a forum of millions, or a large and prosperous nation are all immoral.

      I realize the end is a bit hyperbole but then so is the original statement and I was just paraphrasing you. Reasonable restrictions speech are not immoral. You seem to be under the impression that freedom of speech is sacrosanct. Sorry but no society in the world has absolutely free speech. You are acting like a zealot where only one opinion is the truth. Sorry but the world is not that black and white.

    35. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Is slashdot violating a human right by not publishing my cupcake recipes? Isn't that violating my right to free speech? No. Forcing an individual or company to facilitate my speech is not a right, and never has been.

      1 (18.25 ounce) package white cake mix
              1 1/4 cups water
              1/3 cup vegetable oil
              3 egg whites
              8 drops red food coloring
              2 drops raspberry candy oil

              Preheat an oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Line a standard muffin tin with paper cupcake liners.

              Beat the cake mix, water, vegetable oil, and egg whites together on low speed for 30 seconds, then on medium for 2 minutes, until smooth. Fill cupcake liners 1/3 full with white batter; set aside.

              Stir 4 drops of red food coloring into the remaining bowl of batter to make the batter pink, stir in the raspberry oil. Pour 1/3 of pink batter into a resealable plastic bag and set aside.

              Mix more food coloring into the remaining bowl of pink batter until it is an orange/red color and pour the batter into a resealable plastic bag. Cut a corner off the bag, stick the open tip into the center of each cup of white batter and squeeze in about two tablespoons of red batter.

              Cut the corner off the bag with the pink batter, stick the open tip into the center of the red batter and squeeze about 1 tablespoon pink batter into each cup.

              Bake the layered cupcakes in the preheated oven until a toothpick inserted into the center comes out clean, 15 to 20 minutes. Cool completely before frosting.

      Is Slashdot censoring your cupcake recipes? They're not censoring mine. (Though they have censored some of my other posts, and yes, that's fucking shitty of them to do.)

    36. Re:Not surprised by Tom · · Score: 2

      Some people will applaud this action, saying that no one should have their private pictures posted without their consent. Some people will call this an issue of right to privacy. Those people are misguided.

      Explain how, exactly.

      There are things that you just don't do (like, say hitting a woman).

      Unfortunately, if the population is large and anonymous enough, you always have someone who does something that you shouldn't do. That's when we need a law. You understand these laws don't fall from the sky, yes? They're the written down rules of society. And society needs rules, otherwise it's not a society, it's just a mob.

      And posting sex pictures of other people without their consent is just the kind of stuff that you don't do. And if people don't get it, you have to tell them.

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      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
    37. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8chan gets SJWs as well, and it even lets them have their own boards.

      Except they don't -you're talking about troll boards set up by /pol/ to create a facade of their being two sides, when it's really all trolls all the way down.

      Even ignoring that "SJWs" is an empty term made up by radical conservatives, the people they consider sjw (people with progressive ideals) would never be caught dead on a chan board any more than they'd be caught dead in a Christian Identity meeting.

    38. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trolls trolling trolls mixed with 12 year olds and middle aged neckbeards who don't know any better.

    39. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... legal speech that no one liked ...

      I'm sure it's legal to post your credit card details and bank information. I would very much like you to post that using your freedom of speech.

      ... limit legal speech ...

      How legal is it to post stolen pictures, to post revenge porn picture/video? In many places, it isn't.

      ... Those people are misguided.

      You're still arguing the owner of the private pictures has no rights. Try arguing that posting "The interview" is freedom of speech.

      ... okay to ban this ...

      Forget doxxing, I see it's now okay to post your name on a pedophile-tracking web-site.

    40. Re:Not surprised by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      >I'm sure it's legal to post your credit card details and bank information. I would very much like you to post that using your freedom of speech.

      Actually, you can improve this analogy. For him to be logically consistent with the stupid argument he is making - he would have to agree that if *I* steal his wallet and post his credit card details on reddit and then return the wallet - he would be quite happy to let reddit leave the details there ?

      Ironically - that is a much lesser violation of his rights than what he is actually defending. Money is not worth nearly as much as a person's right to ownership of their own bodies.

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      Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
    41. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can go to StormFront for example. I doubt you'll be constrained by silly things like civility or compassion there.

      Ditto for 8chan.

    42. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's never okay to ban certain themes on your board? Rubbish. It's censorship? Rubbish. Go post your stolen nudie pics somewhere else, and if the users agree, they'll go with you.

      (and leave Reddit a less douchebaggy place).

    43. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's Reddit's choice to make, though, right? Just use some other forum.

      That's exactly the "decline of Reddit" OP was talking about, I'd imagine.

    44. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evil speech? Like all of the propaganda pushing for homosexual rights that is tearing apart families? You're right, we should ban that evil speech. Or, it might be better if we simply allow the individual to decide what they read on their own.

    45. Re:Not surprised by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Which is not nobody, right?

    46. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free speech has nothing to do with posting explicit private pictures. You're using it as a defense, just like those that want to look at naked children. Perhaps that's your thing?

    47. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free speech is in the constitution, privacy is not.

      You have no right "not to be offended." Suck it up.

    48. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus titty fucking christ do you people really believe this shit?

      Reddit doesn't have an obligation to facilitate your speech. They are a private entity and are entitled to allow only certain content. They can require all posts to be about ponies if they want. The writers of the New York Times have a right to free speech but if they write stuff the New York Times doesn't like they get censored and/or fired. Go bitch to the New York Times about how they are violating human rights.

      You're free to say stupid shit. Go ahead - make your own website, publish a book, make your own newspaper, sit on the public sidewalk and distribute fliers, go to 4chan.

      Free speech being a human right doesn't mean everyone has an obligation to publish anything anyone wants to say. It means you won't be put in jail, that's *all* it ever meant.

      Anyways, certain speech has always been limited by governments in various ways, its a balancing act.

    49. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it's legal to post your credit card details and bank information. I would very much like you to post that using your freedom of speech.

      Demanding that someone must say something they don't want to is just as much of a free speech violation as forbidding them from saying something that they do want to.

    50. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SJW was a self-applied label (much like, for a random example, 'pro-life'), and it most certainly does not mean 'anyone with progressive ideals.' If you have to redefine the definitions of prejudice just to ensure they don't apply to you, then you are probably not very progressive. For a good time, try playing SJW or Stormfront? sometime.

    51. Re:Not surprised by kthejoker · · Score: 1

      Your entire argument against privacy advocates and consnet laws is one word: they're "misguided."

      That's it? That's all you've got? A single naked assertion?

      First rule of debate: understand the other side's position at least as well as they do, and understand what it might take to convince them to change their mind.

      Hint: Calling them "misguided" ain't cutting it.

    52. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but it's an attractive woman we want to masturbate to! Therefore all our previous concerns regarding the NSA, privacy, security, and cryptography go out the window because we're a bunch of emotionally stunted assholes that have PhDs from Thinking With Your Dick University.

      I swear, 80% of the technology industry would stop caring about the NSA if President Obama promised to share all that juicy LOVEINT on a special 8chan board.

    53. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. No.

      Reddit will be fine even if it's not a forum to spew your racist shit.

      Stormweenies go home.

    54. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody that matters, certainly.

    55. Re:Not surprised by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      That matters wasn't a criteria.

    56. Re: Not surprised by lgw · · Score: 1

      Shadow cabal? It's all in the open now. Reddit and 4chan now ban anyone trying to disagree with "SJW hot topics", e.g. gamergate. 4chan even had a large-scale mod purge. For forums that started on the premise of open, uncensored discussion (especially 4chan), that's kind of a dick move. It's their forums, and they can do whatever, but still: dick move.

      Slashdot too, though it's really understandable since they officially sold out (and Taco was really professional about it all). There's no way Dice is going to host GNAA trolls and the like.

      I'm not sure where you're coming from with "I've got mine"? I'd like to have a forum where (legal) discussion was uncensored, but they do seem to go though an uncensored -> popular -> censored -> unpopular arc.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    57. Re: Not surprised by lgw · · Score: 1

      You can go to StormFront for example. I doubt you'll be constrained by silly things like civility or compassion there.

      I really doubt they're interested in discussion of their issues. There are plenty of echo chambers on the internet, for any viewpoint. But a site where people can discuss both sides even of issues where one side is very unpopular? That's a beautiful thing.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    58. Re:Not surprised by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Libel and slander are not criminal. They are civil.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    59. Re:Not surprised by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      In many places they can rise to criminal.

    60. Re:Not surprised by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Free speech means you can say what you want. It doesn't mean anybody else has to help you say it, or disseminate it, or listen to you. It doesn't mean that every forum open to the public should post everything anyone wants to post.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    61. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But a site where people can discuss both sides even of issues where one side is very unpopular? That's a beautiful thing.

      It is. However, that is not what either 4chan or 8chan are: both are heavy on group think and opposing viewpoints are shouted down by the angry mob.

  11. Their Loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My cawk will be 4ch only.

    1. Re:Their Loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /diy/ no doubt.

    2. Re:Their Loss by Khyber · · Score: 1

      4ch? That's a weird way to abbreviate inches.

      Ah well, since we're comparing sizes, I'm 8ch!

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    3. Re:Their Loss by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Actually your cawk would still be allowed on reddit (which is probably MORE likely to kill the site than this decision is) - after all, if you upload it yourself (and I find it impossible to contemplate a world where anybody ELSE would want to look at YOUR cawk long enough to take a picture) that is clearly consent for publication.

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  12. Jailbait by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Informative

    You mean the jailbait subs or the sub where the teacher was uploading upskirt pics of students?

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    1. Re:Jailbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's just upset that he was banned from /r/spacedicks

    2. Re:Jailbait by lgw · · Score: 1

      Doesn't sound like the "legal" content the OP was talking about to me. My guess would be some racist theme, just like Slashdot started deleting racist posts once Dice bought them.

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    3. Re:Jailbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was also the racist subs, which got quietly mass banned.

    4. Re:Jailbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's actually exactly what he's talking about.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities#.2Fr.2Fjailbait
      Following the closure of /r/jailbait, The Daily Dot declared violentacrez, the community's creator, "The Most Important Person on Reddit in 2011," and called the /r/jailbait controversy "the first major challenge to the site's voluntary doctrine of absolute free speech."[9]

      See also: http://www.somethingawful.com/news/reddit-bins-kiddies/

    5. Re:Jailbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess would be some racist theme, just like Slashdot started deleting racist posts once Dice bought them.

      Any evidence for this (slashdot actually deleting such posts)?
      I see the grossest, most extreme racist comments on here on virtually *every* thread (I always read at -1 so I don't miss anything "unjustly" modded down).
      Or are you one of the retards who claims that being modded down to -1 is the same as deletion and censorship?

    6. Re:Jailbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I know no sub has been closed only for being racist. There are certainly tons of openly racist subs remaining, and I don't mean as in opposed to affirmative action or using mean words racist. I mean really, really hating black people, loving Hitler and the KKK etc.

      Violentacrez's subs were intended to offend in order to test reddit's dedication to free speech. Nominally, they were within the law - even jailbait was supposed to be only clothed sub-18 teens. Whether they managed to police that very effectively I don't know. Probably, or they would have been shut down much before.

    7. Re:Jailbait by lgw · · Score: 1

      Or are you one of the retards who claims that being modded down to -1 is the same as deletion and censorship?

      See that "flag" next to every slashdot post (bottom right on my browser)? That wasn't always there. It's separate from the mod system.

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  13. Just the beginning... by the_skywise · · Score: 1

    Looks like somebody has read the non-publicly released FCC plan to regulate the Internet for "net neutrality"

    1. Re:Just the beginning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well we do need more government control of the Internet. Only the Republicans are too stupid to recognize that.

  14. We need to move everything to Tor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reddit, Slashdot, news (ie yes- news is censored all the time), video hosting, link sharing, and even online stores.

    We've put up with this crap for way to long.

  15. actually you could have images on slashdot.. by CrAlt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For one day only..back in 2000.

    https://imgur.com/3gOniL8

    IIRC it was an exploit in one of the tags.

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    1. Re:actually you could have images on slashdot.. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Ha! Good memory. Funny that Slashdot was using 2 digit year codes in their URLs.... in Y2K.

      slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/02/03/1342248&cid=16

      Here are your posts:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    2. Re:actually you could have images on slashdot.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny that Slashdot was using 2 digit year codes in their URLs...

      They still do: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/02/25/2325236/reddit-imposes-ban-on-sexual-content-posted-without-permission

  16. Fappening? by jdavidb · · Score: 1

    It also comes in the wake of last year's Fappening

    Can we get a definition of that for old farts with a UNIX beard like me? I know there was a massive hack and sale of celebrity nude photos for Bitcoin or something. Is that what this refers to? What's a Fappening?

    Yeah, I'm gonna Google it, but the editors could add a parenthetical explanation, or a link to Wikipedia, or something. I remember when Slashdot used to use built in links to everything2 - I wish they had transitioned over to Wikipedia so the clueless like me could be more easily informed.

    1. Re:Fappening? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also comes in the wake of last year's Fappening

      Can we get a definition of that for old farts with a UNIX beard like me?

      man Fappening

    2. Re:Fappening? by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

      It also comes in the wake of last year's Fappening

      Can we get a definition of that for old farts with a UNIX beard like me?

      Here let me finish the rest of the cut-off quote:

      saw a glut of naked celebrity photos leaked online

      That's actually it. There's nothing more than that. The Fappening was the name given to the mass of nude celebrity photos posted online, by whoever originally posted the thread. The wording could have been better, but the full definition is actually in the summary.

    3. Re:Fappening? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To Fap == To Masturbate

      http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fap

    4. Re:Fappening? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There was another important aspect to the Fappening. Some users on 8chan were offering to hack celebrity accounts if users provided then with an email address or phone number, basically the minimum they needed to use the iCloud exploit. One was asking for cash to do anyone, celeb or not. Many anons were suggesting who should be the next victim.

      Just in case it wasn't obvious, suggesting who should be their next victim to a sex offender with the demonstrated means to carry out the offence is a crime in many places.

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    5. Re:Fappening? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Some users on 8chan

      You mean 4chan.

      >suggesting who should be their next victim to a sex offender

      I'd be careful using slanderous and libelous language.

  17. that is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DMCA take down notice material as perhaps the person who took the pictures didn't give their permission for it to be used.

    Otherwise legally why comply as it is not illegal to take nude pictures of most people without their permission in many contexts and to share/publish them.

    Stupid fuckers at reddit .

    1. Re:that is like by Skidborg · · Score: 1

      You might want to speak to a lawyer...

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    2. Re:that is like by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the tabloid who took snaps of Brad Pitt boning that chick from Friends that nobody remembers and published them.
      Pitt and Aniston sued, and won. The judge ruled (correctly) that freedom of speech and freedom of the press does NOT give you the right to violate somebody else's right to privacy.

      This can, on rare occasions, be superceded by public interest. Anthony Weiners dick pics had public interest since HE was a public servant. That clause can never apply to a private citizen however.
      There is no way anybody will convince a sober judge that Brad's junk is so important for the public interest that his right to privacy should be superceded.

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    3. Re:that is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no public interest served by publishing Weiner's dick pics, public servant or not.
      He didn't do anything illegal.
      It did not impact his role as a public servant.

      The ruling was incorrect in Pitt's case. There is no "right to privacy".

    4. Re:that is like by Mark+J+Tilford · · Score: 1

      Anthony Wiener released his own dick pics. After that he didn't have the privacy claim.

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    5. Re:that is like by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Identifying him as the owner was surely something he could, potentially, have made a privacy claim about.

      If I were to hack slashdot's servers to find the IP of some AC poster and find out his real name and identify him as the poster of something he may get fired for - he'd have a legitimate claim that I violated his privacy.
      On the other hand, if he turns out to be an elected representative and his AC post was a screed on the need to nail all black people to burning crosses the public interest would outweigh his privacy claim.
      Generally voters would be correct in thinking they have a right to KNOW if their elected representative is a closet KKK member. Why should other objectionable publications by politicians receive any less scrutiny ?

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  18. Bah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Better yet, stop pretending your body is some special butterfly that will cause the sky to fall and dogs to make love to cats should somebody actually get a look at it. The whole body paranoia thing is a society wide neurosis. At best. You look very similar to everyone else. The more you take off, the more that's true.

    I'd rather see someone dressed to the max than naked any day, I think probably because it actually tells me something about their self image at the time. It means nothing negative to me to see them naked, and frankly, not a whole lot positive. Meh. Truly.

    Of course, then we have the motivational "gifts" provided by superstition, but I already mentioned neurosis, so...

    1. Re:Bah. by TheCarp · · Score: 0

      On one hand I agree, you are right about our ridiculous nudity taboos. On the other, does it matter whether its clothed or not? The intention of this sort of posting is clearly malicious. Yes its silly that people get treated badly for being seen nude, yes its stupid that anybody cares, but, if it were actually the case that being nude wasn't such a taboo, then forums like this wouldn't exist.

      To put it another way, I don't particularly care if someone wants to walk out his house and down the street as nude as the day he was born. I wouldn't personally treat him any different from anyone else.

      Yet, I still am bothered by someone who would walk up to people in a park; open his trench coat and force his nakedness on others. It isn't really the same thing as just being naked or being seen naked.

      Similarly, there is a difference between posting pics with permission, of which there is no shortage out there, and posting something you know you wouldn't get permission for. They really are two very different act, even though they are technically the same actions.

      And yes, its nudity taboos that give power to the action and we need to get over them, but, we also don't need to coddle the petty assholes who don't think consent matters.

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    2. Re:Bah. by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Better yet, stop pretending your body is some special butterfly that will cause the sky to fall and dogs to make love to cats should somebody actually get a look at it. The whole body paranoia thing is a society wide neurosis. At best. You look very similar to everyone else. The more you take off, the more that's true.

      That may be true for you or me, but it is absolutely not your place to tell anyone else what their attitude to their own body is. The right to privacy is fucking important, and we should not just wish it away because it's more convenient, or assume other people are being unreasonable by not wanting their wishes violated.

    3. Re:Bah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not your place?

      Well try this on for size: It is "not your place" to tell people what they're allowed to say!

  19. So,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wheres the new reddit clone startup ?

    1. Re:So,,, by firex726 · · Score: 1

      https://voat.co/

      Or atleast they want to be a replacement.

    2. Re: So,,, by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      Oh cool, now we know where all the pedos are going.

    3. Re: So,,, by kentrel · · Score: 1

      I don't see any pedo material there. Do you know something law enforcement doesn't?

  20. So Reddit Is Just A Porn Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well perhaps they deserve it.

  21. Re: Reddit's a corrupt piece of shit anyways by Fwipp · · Score: 0

    You live a strange life, and care about such narrow things. Take some time off, go camping in the mountains, reconnect with yourself.

  22. What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I take my stand on the proposition that the publication of nude and/or sexually explicit photographs without the consent of the subject is a form of rape.

    This not art. This is not speech.

    This is humiliation. This is malice. This is revenge. This is greed. This is crime. Revenge porn

    Free speech cannot survive in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation. Free speech has to mean something more than the adolescent's desire for instant sexual self-gratification.

    In the form of an illicit photograph to masturbate by.

    I am sick and tired of the geek playing the censorship card when anyone asks him to behave like an adult.

    1. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who go on the loudest about their "rights" to free speech on the Internet (read: blatantly ignoring the moderation policies that they agreed to when they joined the site/forum) tend to be the first to start trying to censor/shut down the speech of others. Mostly any time someone disagrees with them, has issues with what they use their "free speech" to do, or just by being the kind of person that this champion of the first amendment doesn't like.

      They do not want absolute freedom of speech, they want absolute freedom of what they agree with, and freedom from the consequences. One of the main perpetrators of the "Fappening" complained at length that the media violated his privacy by daring to publish - gasp - his name.

      Hypocrites, the lot of them.

    2. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If revenge porn were already a crime, then why did we need new laws to stop it? And if "it's a crime" is part of your reasoning against it, does that mean that you think it's okay in countries that have no laws against it?

      "It's a crime" is a BS reason. Whether something is moral and whether something is legal are two entirely different questions. The rest of your post makes sense, revenge porn is a good example of people being assholes. However, many would say that as long as you're not breaking any laws, you'll likely be judged for it by the community, but you do have the right to be an asshole, it's not up to the courts to stop you.

      It's probably good that it's being made illegal more and more, assuming the laws are well-written, but it's not illegal everywhere just yet.

    3. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by retroworks · · Score: 1

      I agree, but having viewed the sheer number of "nekkid selfies" we can only guess at the percentage which are truly involuntary. Even if 90% are involuntary, the Bureau of Labor Statistics should downgrade its employment projection for porn models. Reddit does the right thing with the policy, but unless they ban the imagery outright, consenting or not (like Blogger), "adolescent's demand for self-gratification", by definition, only defines the demand side of the equation. Paris Hilton film lives in perpetuity, and you cannot eradicate it without censorship of voluntary photos.

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    4. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by 91degrees · · Score: 1, Informative

      I take my stand on the proposition that the publication of nude and/or sexually explicit photographs without the consent of the subject is a form of rape.

      And I take my stand that this is a vile statement that devalues actual rape.

      This not art. This is not speech.

      Who is to define what is and isn't art and speech? You? Me?

      This is humiliation. This is malice. This is revenge. This is greed. This is crime. Revenge porn

      Then call it these things. Stop trying to make it something it isn't, and admit you consider stopping these to be much more important than freedom of speech.

      Free speech cannot survive in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation. Free speech has to mean something more than the adolescent's desire for instant sexual self-gratification.

      No it can't. It also can't survive in a world of arbitrary rules about what is and isn't "fee speech". However, the adolescent's desire for instant self gratification is perfectly legitimate.

      I am sick and tired of the geek playing the censorship card when anyone asks him to behave like an adult.

      But people are advocating censorship, and narrowing what freedom of speech is in order to rationalise it as something other than censorship!

    5. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by duck_rifted · · Score: 0

      This is to rape what assault is to battery. I agree with the spirit of your thoughts, but really, if in some nightmarish hell of a reality you had to choose between having your nudes posted and actually being raped, I think we all know you (and we) would choose the nude post.

      But speaking of fear and intimidation, Reddit has by far the worst trolls on the Internet. These people, if you encounter them, are so adept at their game that you can end up with a migraine -- thus signalling the possibility of actual neurological damage resulting from dealing with them. Unauthorized nude posts are a very terrible thing impacting a very small number of people. Nobody is immune to the gangrenous rot of the "shit ______ says" legions, the MRA hate groups, the sovereign citizens, and the faux conservatives on that site.

      You're right that the censorship card is overplayed. Posting your ex girlfriend's fanny isn't in the domain of free expression. It's her cooter, so the expression of posting it is hers alone. it's not censorship to stop people from expressing things FOR other people. Free expression means that we get to speak for ourselves! Brainless repetition of, "But mah censorships!" missing that distinction because those doing it don't stop to think. Well, that and some are afraid they may see a little less cooter.

      Come on, this is the Internet -- there will still be more cooter than you can ever see in one lifetime. It costs us nothing to have a little respect.

      But this is not where Reddit needs to end its reforms. It is absolutely full of hate groups and the kind of people whose blatant advocacy for acts such as murdering police and public officials raises the question of how many are disgruntled people abusing anonymity to vent frustration and how many are actual genuine domestic terrorists. Considering Reddit's numerous problems, cracking down harder on unauthorized cooter pics is basically a stunt for publicity.

      After all, it has always been against the terms of service to post nude pics without permission of the subject and they have always removed such content immediately upon request *and* banned the user who posted it. This is not a change. It's a reminder.

    6. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      It's probably good that it's being made illegal more and more, assuming the laws are well-written, but it's not illegal everywhere just yet.

      But from that thought it logically follows that it's probably good if private website owners choose not to provide a platform to facilitate things they obviously do not agree with.

      Nobody thinks it's censorship that most churches will not let you put a link to buy the satanic bible from Amazon on their websites.
      There is nothing illegal about the satanic bible, there are plenty of ways to acquire a copy - including buying it from Amazon. No Christian church is obligated to facilitate the spreading of a message they find objectionable.

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    7. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by emj · · Score: 1

      Who is to define what is and isn't art and speech? You? Me?

      This is humiliation. This is malice. This is revenge. This is greed. This is crime. Revenge porn

      Then call it these things. Stop trying to make it something it isn't, and admit you consider stopping these to be much more important than freedom of speech.

      Should I be allowed to market stuff with an image of you attach to it? Immaterial rights isn't fun but it does extend quite a lot. Lots of countries have freedom of speech without freedom to sue.

    8. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not rape, but it's definitely a violation of a sexual nature, often in violation of civil (copyright) law, and even criminal in some jurisdictions.

    9. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. That's not why it needs to be illegal. It needs to illegal to even keep it off of websites operated by folks that either do not see a moral problem with revenge porn, or by folks that see an even bigger problem with removing legal content from their servers.

    10. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Alrescha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "And I take my stand that this is a vile statement that devalues actual rape"

      This. A thousand times this.

      Using a hotword like rape to generate an emotional reaction to support your cause does a disservice to everyone, especially to those who are victims of actual rape.

      A.

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    11. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take my stand on the proposition that the publication of nude and/or sexually explicit photographs without the consent of the subject is a form of rape.

      And I'm all for not diluting the meaning of the world. Revenge porn is already illegal, there is no need to reclassify it with an emotionally charged meaning. Stop fucking with the language to suit your political goals.

      This is not speech.

      No, but being able to post it online is. Freedom of speech is expressed in not being prosecuted for the message itself.

      Free speech cannot survive in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.

      Your problem is fearing certain kinds of speech. Censorship will not fix the problems with your society, but it will slow or outright prevent positive change. Revenge porn will still happen, if not on the open internet, then on the darknets or sneakernet. You can't stop it, and shrugging it under the rug will really fix anything. The only effective solution is to destroy the potency of revenge porn by attacking the cultural aspects which make it effective.

      I am sick and tired of the geek playing the censorship card when anyone asks him to behave like an adult.

      And I'm sick and tired of people who exploit the flaws of the human mind to add false credibility of their argument, weather it's dishonestly or simply ignorance. Ridiculing the maturity of your opposition does not change the validity of your argument at all.

    12. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Good question. But I think that this is about rights other than freedom of speech that also need to be considered. I have the right to freedom of speech, privacy and to not be harassed. Is your freedom of speech more iportant than my privacy or freedom from harassment?

      It's not an easy question to answer, and shouldn't be because there are so many factors, and it differens on a case by case basis.

    13. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      I agree, it ought to be illegal, but while it isn't everywhere yet, it makes sense to support private citizens who try to act with what we both agree is the most respect for the rights of other people even if those rights are not protected by laws.

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    14. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > a form of rape

      Here comes the "everything is rape" bullshit again.

      > I am sick and tired of the geek

      And here we get to the core again: good old-fashioned nerd-bashing.

    15. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is to rape what assault is to battery.

      What? Hell, no.

      Posting a naked picture of someone is to rape as posting a clothed picture of someone is to battery. Rape and battery are both actions that someone might hypothetically carry out if they were present when the photo was taken. Which is, or should be, utterly insignificant to the redistribution of the pictures.

    16. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. The outrage over "the fappening" was one of the most hypocritical bullshit out there. The same media sites that pandered their fake outrage gleefully published leaked sex videos of male celebrities.

      > Hypocrites, the lot of them.

      Indeed. Right in your own backyard.

    17. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      " is a form of rape. "

      Bullshit. That cheapens the term rape and insults all rape victims.
      Posting photos without permission is a form of sexual harassment, in exactly the same way that posting a non-sexual but embarrassing photo is a form of harassment / bullying.

      I'm sick of people misusing the word rape as an attempt to add more weight to an argument.

    18. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by argStyopa · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If the picture was taken without consent - ie an upskirt or whatever - then I agree with you.
      If the picture was taken WITH consent, then fuck you.

      Free speech cannot survive if people can retract what they said, and later decide "I didn't mean to say that - you can't tell anyone I said that."

      Same with pictures. If you take a picture of your junk and then send it to someone, you're GIVING them the picture, to do with as they wish. By my view, it's exactly the same as if a company sends you something unsolicited in the mail: it's yours.

      Don't want pictures of your junk floating around the internet? There's a really good way to prevent that: don't take them.

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    19. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Free speech cannot survive in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.

      Agreed!

      >This not art. This is not speech.

      Does it make a statement? Art and speech usually makes a statement. Let's see!

      >This is humiliation. This is malice. This is revenge. This is greed. This is crime. Revenge porn [wikipedia.org]

      That's a lot of statements.

      QED.

    20. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take my stand on the proposition that the publication of nude and/or sexually explicit photographs without the consent of the subject is a form of rape.

      I find posts that falsely equate rape to something they do not like, to be a form of rape.

      Seriously dude/dudette, if seeing a pic of you nude is rape, how about a Photoshop fake of you nude? How about imagining you nude? How about imagining you nude and doing something lewd?

      Hello thought crime!

    21. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sending somebody a copy of a picture doesn't mean they can do anything they want with it.

      The picture is copyrighted (if taken within my lifetime). Unless there is a license of some sort saying so, the recipient is limited in what he or she can legally do with the picture.

      There may be conditions on the delivery, and if the picture were solicited or the conditions agreed to they're at least morally binding. "I'll send you the pictures on the condition that you don't show them to anyone else."

      There may not be a model release for commercial use, which restricts what you can do with it. Putting it on a commercially run site may or may not constitute commercial use.

      In other words, having received a picture, you may not have a legal or moral right to put it on the Net in the first place. I'm not talking about anybody changing their mind, since I doubt most of those pictures came with posting permission in the first place. In many cases, the pictures were illegally acquired by hacking into somebody else's account.

      I also take exception at your attitude that you shouldn't do anything in private that you wouldn't want spread on Reddit tomorrow.

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    22. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      If it was unsolicited, actually, it does.
      It's a widely recognized pricinple that unsolicited merchandise may be considered a gift.

      In point of fact, sending email or sexts should be prosecuted every time because in practical terms they are quite clearly "unsolicited advertising material for the lease, sale, rental, gift offer or other disposition of any realty, goods, or services" without being designated as such.

      Copyright belongs to the person who pressed the button to take the picture, which then poses even trickier questions if that person is not the subject. If it is the subject, then consent is clear, and sending the picture does in fact give them the picture for personal use but clearly not for commercial use. Implied consent is at play as well - if a person you're being intimate with takes your smiling picture, it's pretty clear you implied consent for the picture to be taken (which says nothing about any further usage).

      Whether the subject is publicly recognizable matters as well (ie if it's just a close up of your cooter, you're going to have a hard time arguing that is 'publicly recognizable' except for the attention you yourself called to it).

      Further, you're simply mistaken dragging moral 'rights' into the question at all. I agree with you that taking a nudie pic, and then later using it for revenge porn is shitty and immoral. But we're not arguing how the world SHOULD BE, we're discussing it as it IS.

      And you misread me completely. Of course do whatever you want in private.
      I just think that anyone RECORDING what they do in private - particularly with someone that they don't know extremely well - is a moron if they're surprised to find it on Reddit tomorrow.

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      -Styopa
    23. Re:What part of "Consent" Don't You Understand? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If you receive unsolicited stolen property, you don't have title to it. If you receive, unsolicited, something copyrighted, you have the right to what was sent, but you don't have permission to copy or redistribute. I'm not sure what the law is if you receive a picture that was illegally sent to you, but it wouldn't remove any copyright or model release requirements. If you received a nude selfie from the woman that took it, you'd own the picture, but not a license.

      If you break into another person's account, and copy what you find there, you're violating copyright (as well as likely violating the CFAA), and redistributing is further copyright violation.

      As to what actually happens, not everybody is knowledgeable on computer security, and not everybody should be required to be. In particular, people who make mistakes about security are not necessarily morons. In the "Fappening", female celebrities found that the security that they'd been told was good wasn't. That isn't their fault, and they may very reasonably be surprised.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  23. Why Permission Matters by John+Allsup · · Score: 0

    If you do a single thing to me without permission, then in a crisis I simply cannot allow myself to trust you. If in that crisis I have to execute someone to save a friend, your life will be in danger.  Thus it is best to always ask permission!  And with regards to permission, if I give you one of my internet passwords, you may consider that permission to use it.  As an example, see http://allsup.co/friends/slashdot.org/msg-whyi.php and email me to ask what to put at the end of the URL so that the if(test()) { showpage(); } else die(horribly()); line in the PHP script will not commit computational suicide.  Use the address super.secret.slashdot@allsup.co for this purpose, and include a URL that at least points to slashdot, preferably this article, or this comment as proof you
    have read and understood this.  You have my permission to try the passwords you find anywhere you like, since I've checked to my satisfaction that they no longer work.

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    John_Chalisque
    1. Re:Why Permission Matters by halivar · · Score: 1

      When Slashdot users post from Lynx...

    2. Re:Why Permission Matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can someone translate?

  24. lol~! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol~! try browsing at -1 sometime

  25. Time to apply! by HnT · · Score: 1

    Time to apply at reddit and do Ellen a favor!

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    "Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." - Mark Twain
  26. This is bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or would you be fine with me standing in your living room shouting, "COCK AND BALLS, BIG FUCKING JUICY COCK AND BALLS!" 24/7?

    Because you wouldn't. And it's a ridiculous example, but if you whine about private dominions and the human right to ignore decency, you should expect the ridiculous.

  27. Identity theft? by AndyCanfield · · Score: 1

    I don't use Reddit, but - how the H* is Reddit going to judge, evaluate, or confirm the pemission? I can post a picture of Julie Smathers naked. Is Reddit going to contact every person in the world name "Julie Smathers" to see if any of them gave their permission? And even if they did, how can they tell if she's the one in the picture? Or do I have to send an e-mail to with an attached signed autographed copy of the photo? This seems like a "call the cops" theory gone wacko.

  28. Re:Not surprised:Censorship vs theft by mnooning · · Score: 1

    If a site banned the sale of goods stolen from your home, would that be censorship or refusal to join in with the thieves?

  29. Common sense from a legal standpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reddit is hemorrhaging cash. If they just implement a no-nudes blanket ban, that takes pressure off the moderation, which needs to be changed.

    See the GamerGate cover-up and other bannings, shadowbans, etc. The place is dead to me if they're going to act like that.

    Anyway, I'll be on a chan somewhere connected via .onion while idiot VCs and their SJW girlfriends in Silicon Valley is determined make their sites into an AOL-style hugboxs.

  30. Nice Website by sycodon · · Score: 2

    Feds to Reddit: "That's a nice website you have there..."

    You know the rest.

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    When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
  31. So who is it? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    So who's responsible for pressuring these companies?

  32. Marry female children. Oppose feminism. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Marry female children.
    Bible allows it (deuteronomy 22 28-29)

  33. This is how a website ends by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    Pretty cool, I'm glad I get to watch reddit disappear like Dig did.

  34. Congrats, mods, we have a winner... by westlake · · Score: 1

    ...for the ugliest post to Slashdot ever modded up "Insightful."

    This is truly the finest example of the geek's sexual immaturity that I have ever been privileged to see.

    The fundamental truth is that rape is not about sex, it is about power --- a man's dominance over the women in his world. --- and the geek's world is online.

    Better yet, stop pretending your body is some special butterfly that will cause the sky to fall and dogs to make love to cats should somebody actually get a look at it.