Shouldn't the appropriate term being "Volcanoes can cause climate change"? Or how about Volcanoes mess stuff up, sometimes really big (see P-Tr Extinction event and Siberian Traps)
It's on nVidia to keep people from counterfeiting cards, it's on law enforcement to punish those who do. It's one of those problems you attack from both ends.
I was explaining it to someone (co worker) yesterday as the vulnerability is there, but there needs to be an attack vector open as well. My demo to him was on an SGI system running IRIX - Bash was vulnerable, but without AccetEnv in SSH being enabled or something like Apache CGI the exploit can't be used.
Depends on the App. I know some applications have the integration bits where it merges the menu bar with the top bar in GNOME so that it takes up less space. The theming could be a little smaller I agree....
That's a good question. I'm seeing my IRIX systems at home as vulnerable, but I have AcceptEnv disabled in sshd_config, and am not running web servers on them - I feel like the attack vectors are limited.
But your point is valid - ANY OS that uses Bash is a target.
Yes, because it's not a Linux hole. GNU Bash is the vulnerable software. So if you have Bash installed, you're vulnerable (I'm about to test the vulnerability myself).
Scripts are understood, easy to search and edit, debug and maintain. Systemd adds a layer of complexity that's not wanted. Journald means extra work as well, that nobody asked for.
There have been issues with AMD not keeping up on current kernels (Fedora usually runs an up to date kernel, unlike Debian), and when AMD slips for months on it's monthly update it can be troublesome. Also, somewhere around the release of Fedora 19 the guy that maintained the driver (guy's with RPMFusion, which has most of the software that Fedora can't ship, kinda like Ubuntu's nonfree repos, but not actually a part of Fedora/Red Hat for legal reasons) basically stopped maintaining the package (I think the case was he was no longer running recent AMD hardware, and wasn't going to go buy new cards or something like that).
As of the beginning of this year, I would say that FGLRX works great, when it works. It was still a quirky driver to get it to install and run properly when I last used it (Feodra 19, Radeon HD 7750)
As the other replies have said, MATE is fully supported. I usually use KDE on Fedora (going back to RH 6....), although lately I've gone back to the last sane DE, KDE 3.5 (in the form of TDE)
Will it come with proprietary AMD graphics driver?
They can't due to legal reasons (that pesky GPL).
Will they have a rescue mode for the live boot? Can they install on a partition without having to format it? Fedora 18 had all these useful features, 20 didn't have them anymore. Next thing you know, Fedora 22 won't even have Linux anymore, just logos and an installer that gives you wayland and a browser....
I wonder if there is still a text install mode, like in days of old....
Actually, it would be interesting to see the response. If it's been an issue standing for several versions of Fedora (they started with systemd back in version 16 or 17 IIRC), then systemd didn't fix it!
I would put it on mine, because it's not a better solution. There again, I work with guys that use FreeBSD and AIX over Linux (and Gentoo is their Linux of choice when forced to go Linux). We are not moving anything to RHEL 7 anytime in the foreseeable future due to systemd and similar changes.
That said, I still have to know how systemd works, and it's a pain for me to work with.
It widens their audience. PC gaming covers anyone on a desktop/laptop running an Intel based processor, so adding Linux to the supported list adds them into the same crowds as the OS X and Windows gamers (and they play each other online, no division of platform there).
People don't choose. The introduction of KMS caused a lot of GPU drivers to stop working. Stop deluding yourself that OSS is a "magic support pill" that makes everything better. It only matters as long as the developers care, just like with the closed drivers.
Actually they do. nVidia's desktop cards have been very well supported for as long as I can remember (going back to my first nVidia setup, with a GeForce 3).
Depends on what it's being used for. My collection, which has a variety of parts (SGI, Sun, PPC, and a virtual x86 env) gets used for testing and learning. I don't buy hardware that I don't have a purpose for anymore - I guess you could call that moving out of the "ALL THE SERVERS" phase. Next things I'd like to add (but not due to cost) would be a recent HP-UX server (I have no issue buying the software from HP, it's the hardware that's expensive) and AIX (once again, recent POWER hardware is more then I'm spending right now). Knowing the UNIX families well translates to money in the bank (the Sun stuff certainly does, and I've seen postings for good money doing AIX. I know a few places that are still using IRIX, would love to see one of them put a posting up).
I've also contributed patches to open source projects based on testing against some of the hardware I have access to
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Shouldn't the appropriate term being "Volcanoes can cause climate change"? Or how about Volcanoes mess stuff up, sometimes really big (see P-Tr Extinction event and Siberian Traps)
Confirmed that it works on Snow Leopard.
It's on nVidia to keep people from counterfeiting cards, it's on law enforcement to punish those who do. It's one of those problems you attack from both ends.
Or we'll just do our best to not use software under licenses that cause us trouble.
I'm going to find out. I may test on Leopard as well (since I still have a quad G5)
I was explaining it to someone (co worker) yesterday as the vulnerability is there, but there needs to be an attack vector open as well. My demo to him was on an SGI system running IRIX - Bash was vulnerable, but without AccetEnv in SSH being enabled or something like Apache CGI the exploit can't be used.
Depends on the App. I know some applications have the integration bits where it merges the menu bar with the top bar in GNOME so that it takes up less space. The theming could be a little smaller I agree....
That's a good question. I'm seeing my IRIX systems at home as vulnerable, but I have AcceptEnv disabled in sshd_config, and am not running web servers on them - I feel like the attack vectors are limited.
But your point is valid - ANY OS that uses Bash is a target.
Yes, because it's not a Linux hole. GNU Bash is the vulnerable software. So if you have Bash installed, you're vulnerable (I'm about to test the vulnerability myself).
Scripts are understood, easy to search and edit, debug and maintain. Systemd adds a layer of complexity that's not wanted. Journald means extra work as well, that nobody asked for.
Execution speed? Not relevant.
You mean the people that are the reason Linux lives in the enterprise and on so many servers, and are the ones who can kill its presence there too.
There have been issues with AMD not keeping up on current kernels (Fedora usually runs an up to date kernel, unlike Debian), and when AMD slips for months on it's monthly update it can be troublesome. Also, somewhere around the release of Fedora 19 the guy that maintained the driver (guy's with RPMFusion, which has most of the software that Fedora can't ship, kinda like Ubuntu's nonfree repos, but not actually a part of Fedora/Red Hat for legal reasons) basically stopped maintaining the package (I think the case was he was no longer running recent AMD hardware, and wasn't going to go buy new cards or something like that).
As of the beginning of this year, I would say that FGLRX works great, when it works. It was still a quirky driver to get it to install and run properly when I last used it (Feodra 19, Radeon HD 7750)
As the other replies have said, MATE is fully supported. I usually use KDE on Fedora (going back to RH 6....), although lately I've gone back to the last sane DE, KDE 3.5 (in the form of TDE)
Will it come with proprietary AMD graphics driver?
They can't due to legal reasons (that pesky GPL).
Will they have a rescue mode for the live boot? Can they install on a partition without having to format it? Fedora 18 had all these useful features, 20 didn't have them anymore. Next thing you know, Fedora 22 won't even have Linux anymore, just logos and an installer that gives you wayland and a browser....
I wonder if there is still a text install mode, like in days of old....
Actually, it would be interesting to see the response. If it's been an issue standing for several versions of Fedora (they started with systemd back in version 16 or 17 IIRC), then systemd didn't fix it!
I would put it on mine, because it's not a better solution. There again, I work with guys that use FreeBSD and AIX over Linux (and Gentoo is their Linux of choice when forced to go Linux). We are not moving anything to RHEL 7 anytime in the foreseeable future due to systemd and similar changes.
That said, I still have to know how systemd works, and it's a pain for me to work with.
Some people really need to get over themselves. GPLv3 sucks pretty bad too.
It widens their audience. PC gaming covers anyone on a desktop/laptop running an Intel based processor, so adding Linux to the supported list adds them into the same crowds as the OS X and Windows gamers (and they play each other online, no division of platform there).
People don't choose. The introduction of KMS caused a lot of GPU drivers to stop working. Stop deluding yourself that OSS is a "magic support pill" that makes everything better. It only matters as long as the developers care, just like with the closed drivers.
Well, that would be different.
Actually they do. nVidia's desktop cards have been very well supported for as long as I can remember (going back to my first nVidia setup, with a GeForce 3).
What about if you don't have the cards in SLI?
You forgot that they have to take an official class to take the cert exam....
Depends on what it's being used for. My collection, which has a variety of parts (SGI, Sun, PPC, and a virtual x86 env) gets used for testing and learning. I don't buy hardware that I don't have a purpose for anymore - I guess you could call that moving out of the "ALL THE SERVERS" phase. Next things I'd like to add (but not due to cost) would be a recent HP-UX server (I have no issue buying the software from HP, it's the hardware that's expensive) and AIX (once again, recent POWER hardware is more then I'm spending right now). Knowing the UNIX families well translates to money in the bank (the Sun stuff certainly does, and I've seen postings for good money doing AIX. I know a few places that are still using IRIX, would love to see one of them put a posting up).
I've also contributed patches to open source projects based on testing against some of the hardware I have access to