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Ask Slashdot: Is iOS 8 a Pig?

kyjellyfish writes I've been using iOS 8 for several days and aside from a few gimmicks and add-ons that attempt to achieve parity with Android, my experience has been overwhelmingly unsatisfactory. My chief complaint is that the vast majority of my apps are slow to boot and noticeably sluggish in operation. I want to point out that all of these apps have been "upgraded" specifically for iOS 8 compatibility. Previous operating system upgrades have been relatively seamless, so I'm asking whether other slashdotters have experienced this degraded performance.

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  1. Alright smart guy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What did you load it on? An iPhone 1? A 4? An Osborne Executive?

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    1. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Troll

      I think we found the Apple fan boy...

    2. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would still be a problem because Apple shouldn't allow the upgrade to be installed on a device which can't run it properly.

    3. Re: Alright smart guy by lancelotlink · · Score: 3, Interesting

      iOS 8 seems even faster than iOS 7 on my 5S. Haven't seen that happen yet after an update from one major iOS upgrade to the next. Very happy with it.

    4. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ironically, I was just thinking to myself when I was loading Slashdot how much quicker Safari felt and how buttery the scrolling seemed on my iPhone 5. Then lo and behold dome Androud troll posts this. LOL.

    5. Re:Alright smart guy by macs4all · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think we found the Apple fan boy...

      ...Who at least has the Cajones to submit under his own Username, COWARD.

    6. Re:Alright smart guy by macs4all · · Score: 5, Informative

      What did you load it on? An iPhone 1? A 4? An Osborne Executive?

      Interestingly, I haven't seen any significant gnashing-of-teeth, complaining about slowdowns, etc. on the sites where a majority of the posters are actually iOS Users.

      In fact, as per usual, I am waiting a few days to see if there are horror stories, particularly regarding my two iOS devices (iPhone 4s and iPad 2), which are at the bottom of the Compatibility List; but, other than one person with a 16 GB iPad complaining about slowness (and without others piling-on), this seems to be a very reasonable and stable Upgrade; especially considering how much has been added.

    7. Re:Alright smart guy by zarthrag · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not picking a side. But it's kinda funny when you think about it:

      * With an Apple device, you get regular updates to iOS, but your phone will continually become slower (planned obsolescence)

      * With an Android device, the manufacturer outright abandons updating the phone the moment their next handset is on sale. (Samsung seems to be the worst about this, but, even Google has done it to stock Nexus phones.)

      Pick your poison. Slow, or quick. ....then get ready for your next pill.

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    8. Re:Alright smart guy by wwphx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I updated my 64 gig 4S on Friday, and it's been stable and crash-free. I especially liked the Health app as it's accessible from the lock screen, assuming emergency responders know that it's there and how to get to it. I have an immune disorder so this is of interest to me, obviously not to everyone. I really like the one motion swipe delete for mail, and the Siri voice dictation in real-time is pretty cool. The funny thing is that I had more trouble upgrading my new iPad Mini Retina than I did my 4S. One other thing that was interesting, and I need to verify this: I was listening to some podcasts yesterday and when I got home, before syncing, they were already marked as played on my iMac. I'm not sure what's up with that as I try to have my phone to only sync music and podcasts via cable.

      Issues: first and biggest, battery life. I noticed this yesterday when I got up and last night when I went to bed, I logged that my battery was at 66%. Eight hours later, 54%ish. I already turned off most of the background stuff that eats juice that was posted when iOS 7 came out, so I'm not sure what's up. I'm going to try putting it in airplane mode when I go to bed tonight to see if that stops whatever is eating it. Also, I'm still pissed at the way they screwed up the podcast app when 7 came out last year. I need to get back to studying Objective C/Swift and write my own.

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    9. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you mean "Cojones", it means "Balls" as in "Testicles".
      "Cajones" on the other hand, means "Drawers", as in "Desk drawers".

    10. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can say that a friend has noticed a significant slowdown on her 4S, and I have noticed minor slowdowns on my 5. Mostly delays in reacting to taps on the lock screen when first waking it up.

    11. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay fandroid...

    12. Re:Alright smart guy by Drew+M. · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not picking a side. But it's kinda funny when you think about it:

      * With an Apple device, you get regular updates to iOS, but your phone will continually become slower (planned obsolescence)

      * With an Android device, the manufacturer outright abandons updating the phone the moment their next handset is on sale. (Samsung seems to be the worst about this, but, even Google has done it to stock Nexus phones.)

      Pick your poison. Slow, or quick. ....then get ready for your next pill.

      Umm, no. Nexus devices are supported for 18 months as they specifically say:
      https://support.google.com/nex...

      I've owned nearly all the Nexus devices and cannot think of one that didn't get an update to the latest OS within that time frame.

    13. Re:Alright smart guy by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 2, Informative

      It won't be popular here, but you could choose any Windows Phone 8 device, register for the Developer Preview and get the latest OS running very nicely on even the oldest, slowest models.

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    14. Re:Alright smart guy by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have an iPhone 4S since october 2011. I installed iOS8 last week and everything is fine. No slowdowns that I noticed yet. Apparently, it takes 2 more seconds to boot, but I don't really care as I reboot it less than once a week.

      Prior to that I had an iPhone 3GS, updated always to the latest versioon. I've never had to complain about Apple's software upgrades, except on one occasion (I don't remember but I think it was iOS4). This was quite horrible in terms of performance and an update came a couple of weeks later and fixed most of it. Another update came two month later and fixed the rest.

      YMMV, but all in all, Apple's support for old hardware is miles and light-years ahead of everyone else. Bar none.

    15. Re:Alright smart guy by mlts · · Score: 4, Informative

      Android is a toss-up. If your phone has an easily unlockable bootloader and is fairly mainstream, then you likely can get unofficial updates or a CyanogenMOD version which will be supported for quite a while. You also might be able to find other ROMs people have made for the device, some with a more recent version of Android, some not.

      If you get a model that has a locked bootloader, the company won't unlock it, and it isn't a popular enough model to get the mainstream developers to look at it, then it will probably need to be tossed.

    16. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently the new keyboard options aren't as fantastic as they make them sound.

    17. Re:Alright smart guy by ildon · · Score: 1

      An Apple Newton.

    18. Re:Alright smart guy by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 1

      I updated my iPad 3, iPhone 4S and iPhone 5S on release day, and haven't noticed any issues on them. Granted, the 5S is my day-to-day device, so it gets the majority of my usage, but the others seem to work fine (iPad as a gaming/reading/couch-surfing device, 4S mostly as a jukebox on my sound system). Heck, I've got my 3GS hooked up to my alarm clock, running iOS 6 and it's able to run the latest Pandora app still!

    19. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I saw a significant battery drain the day I upgraded, but this wasn't repeated the following days. Whilst I initially thought it was the soaps, it might merely have been transient - a combination of using the phone a lot more playing with new features , and perhaps some background activity associated with an upgrade in place. After the first day it's been normal.

    20. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More than that, it's "at least" 18 months... Mine have been running for more than 2 years in my hands and it's still supported.

      But one thing Android has Apple sucks about it: community. Ofc that depends on the equipment you have, so you might have good support from the community or lack of. But with community support you end up having non official updates and features for way longer than Apple, Samsung or whatever gives, and one thing is for sure: it's made by users and for users so they tend to be way more close to your needs than any of those.

    21. Re:Alright smart guy by DexterIsADog · · Score: 0

      It would still be a problem because Apple shouldn't allow the upgrade to be installed on a device which can't run it properly.

      ...Then the meme would be "Apple prematurely Orphans Older Models." IOW, Apple can't win with the Fandroids.

      Actually, since Apple is supposed to deliver such a superior user experience, this is a valid criticism, or don't you want people to hold Apple to that higher standard? It really is a myth. I think Apple abuses its most loyal customers worse than Microsoft. And they keep lining up (literally) for more.

    22. Re:Alright smart guy by macs4all · · Score: 5, Insightful

      * With an Apple device, you get regular updates to iOS, but your phone will continually become slower (planned obsolescence)

      I don't think that "planned obsolescence" means what you think it does.

      What you have with iOS on older devices is the race between Moore's Law and "Feature Creep". That is not "Planned". It just is.

      It would only be "Planned Obsolescence" if the user was forced to install an iOS Upgrade. But they aren't; so it isn't.

      So, it is not a matter of "picking your poison". Apple attempts to offer its OS Upgrades as far back as they can, even if some of the oldest devices may, in some cases, and then, only for some users, suffer a bit.

      That is why the prudent iOS User with hardware > 1 Generation "back", waits a few days/weeks to see if they should Upgrade. After all, all it takes to not Upgrade, is to, well, not Upgrade. You iOS Device will continue to work exactly as always.

      When will supposedly tech-savvy Slashdotters actually get that? Seems like "Willful Ignorance" to me...

    23. Re:Alright smart guy by macs4all · · Score: 2

      I think you mean "Cojones", it means "Balls" as in "Testicles". "Cajones" on the other hand, means "Drawers", as in "Desk drawers".

      LOL! My bad!

    24. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get a model with a locked bootloader. Before I buy, I check that it is supported by cyanogenmod. I know the manufacturer will drop support after a couple of years - I keep a smartphone for 4-5 years. No need to replace too often, the improvement is too small for the price.

      So I go for phones that are open, because they will be supported after the "next model" is out.

    25. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Meanwhile though, iOS devices typically get 3 major OS updates. That is, 3 full years of support. Some iOS devices (iPad 2 for example), get as much as 5 years of updates.

    26. Re:Alright smart guy by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Features don't come for free. But really Apple could avoid this whole problem if they didn't block downgrading. Let people try if they think it'll run fast enough on the oldest supported device, then let them change their minds If it doesn't.

      But the problem is they want to prevent jail breaking and as a consequence downgrading is rare.

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    27. Re:Alright smart guy by macs4all · · Score: 1

      It would still be a problem because Apple shouldn't allow the upgrade to be installed on a device which can't run it properly.

      ...Then the meme would be "Apple prematurely Orphans Older Models."

      IOW, Apple can't win with the Fandroids.

      Actually, since Apple is supposed to deliver such a superior user experience, this is a valid criticism, or don't you want people to hold Apple to that higher standard? It really is a myth. I think Apple abuses its most loyal customers worse than Microsoft. And they keep lining up (literally) for more.

      What is a "valid criticism"? That Apple should somehow be able to eke out more performance from an older Microcontroller than it can actually deliver? Or that they don't just adopt the Android-Manufacturers' Policy of simply abandoning their users?

      Which is the real abuse-of-trust? Trying to support hardware as long as possible, and letting the Users decide if they should Upgrade? Or simply abandoning Users, even to the extent that most of the time, even OS errors are never fixed; let alone "new features" realized?

      I don't think you have a rational argument here; but that never stopped an Apple-Hater yet.

    28. Re: Alright smart guy by binary+paladin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google's lack of long term support was one of the two reasons I just switched to iOS. I've seen a couple 4S (the oldest supported by iOS 8) that are still working just fine. However, Kitkat on my Galaxy Nexus? "No way man... that phone phone is like 18 months old man." Kitkat even lowered the memory needs of the OS.

      I fail to see how Apple offering long term support on their devices is somehow planned obsolescence versus Android devices which are just flat out abandoned by those unwilling to install custom roms.

    29. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I have noticed that my iPhone 5 is slower with iOS 8.

    30. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A more pertinent question would be: is it a reindeer?

    31. Re:Alright smart guy by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Troll

      Another one reporting for duty, infidel scum.

      iOS8 on my Mac Mini Retina: no difference in the speed with which apps load and handle. I also have an iPhone 4S, but we have been advised not to load it onto iPhones earlier than the 5 because the hardware would not support all its features. That may be GP's problem.

    32. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The reason why Galaxy Nexus is behind is due to the Texas Instruments SOC. Texas Instruments dropped support for it because they largely left the mobile industry, therefore they didn't supply a new driver for the next versions of Android.

    33. Re:Alright smart guy by sabri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think there is something funny about this?

      At least he has the cajones to admit his mistakes, with his username, COWARD.

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    34. Re:Alright smart guy by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple devices "degrade" with OS updates in the same way that Windows updates do on PCs, gradually. But even after an Apple starts no being upgradeable to the latest OS release, it stays useful for years to come. My mother is still using my hand-me-down 2002 desk-lamp iMac, which has the old PowerPC processor.

    35. Re:Alright smart guy by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Samsung is releasing 4.4.4 to older devices right now. The Note 3, which has been replaced by the 4 as of a few weeks ago, just started rollouts with carriers last week.

    36. Re: Alright smart guy by spectrum- · · Score: 5, Informative

      Windows Phone 7.x was abandoned very quickly though by hardware as well as MS and developers. They burnt a lot of potential loyal customers pre 8.x on devices like Nokia 900 lumia so trust was lost there from an already very precarious situation.

    37. Re:Alright smart guy by Wycliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm, no. Nexus devices are supported for 18 months as they specifically say

      You're trying to argue but I think you just proved his point. Considering that most phones in the USA are
      still sold with a 24 month contract, having only 18 months worth of support is a complete joke. 48 months
      should be the bare minimum but even then it's hard to argue against the fact that both sides are doing their
      own version of "planned obsolescence". Some of this will happen naturally as newer systems are faster
      but it's annoying when you are forced to upgrade just to maintain status quo. I had an older android
      phone and eventually had to upgrade because many of the apps stopped supporting my phone.

    38. Re:Alright smart guy by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The iPad 2 is 29% of the iPad market share. I expect IOS 8.1 to fix any lingering issues just as IOS 7.1 did.

    39. Re:Alright smart guy by binarylarry · · Score: 0

      But what does that matter, it runs nice but all the apps suck?

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    40. Re:Alright smart guy by deathstar_nagisa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, that's not quite true. You can do that basically only on Nokia phones and this does not proceed from the new ownership.
      Disclaimer: I have an "intimate" knowledge about the product.

      The WP ecosystem is affected by fragmentation in an Android-like fashion because of how the operating system is rolled out to the devices.
      MSFT said that Windows Phone 8.1 will be available to all the WP 8.0 capable devices.. and they meant it. It is 100% true.
      However, the most important part of the equation was not mentioned at all: in order to install the 8.1.x version, you need a firmware to support it.
      Who develops the firmware? Manufacturers.
      That's why all the HTC and Samsung users are still waiting for the 8.1 update and the HTC 8X/8S are not even able to install the latest 8.1 Update 1 Developer Preview.

      On top of that, using the developer preview without an adequate firmware, causes dramatic battery drains and performance issues.
      Looks like the problem is not who develops the operating system, be it Apple, Google or Microsoft, but who develops the firmware of the phone.
      That's why Apple can afford to keep their phones constantly updated.
      As Alan Kay said, "people who are really serious about software should make their own hardware"

    41. Re:Alright smart guy by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      You must have forgotten the Verizon Nexus fiasco.

    42. Re:Alright smart guy by the_B0fh · · Score: 0

      What a way to give a free pass to the companies that make your crap.

    43. Re:Alright smart guy by macs4all · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Features don't come for free. But really Apple could avoid this whole problem if they didn't block downgrading. Let people try if they think it'll run fast enough on the oldest supported device, then let them change their minds If it doesn't.

      But the problem is they want to prevent jail breaking and as a consequence downgrading is rare.

      While I agree that it would be nice if Apple would make a provision to downgrade on older h/w to the Revision - 1 (only); the truth is, it is enough of a pain to modify existing data-structures that I would bet that you would be hard-pressed to name any Mobile OS that allows a clean and simple "downgrade" without completely wiping the device.

      And you are right; it does leave the door open to Jailbreaking>

      But for most Android owners this isn't an issue; because they almost never get an Upgrade anyway...

    44. Re: Alright smart guy by the_B0fh · · Score: 0

      But but but... I thought open source would solve everything?!

    45. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I had an iPhone 3g and every OS update made it slower and slower. I think it topped out at IOS 4.x or something, but that was virtually unusable due to how slow it was. I'm fairly certain this is typical, and if you keep updating your old iPhone 4S you will run into this as well. Nobody really cares because most people replace their phone after 2 years.

    46. Re:Alright smart guy by the_B0fh · · Score: 0

      Are you really a fucking idiot or do you just play one on slashdot? If you put new features into the OS, obviously it's going to take more clock cycles. How the hell is this abuse?

    47. Re:Alright smart guy by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      It would still be a problem because Apple shouldn't allow the upgrade to be installed on a device which can't run it properly.

      Correct. In fact, the iPhone 3GS maxes out at iOS version 6. I assume the 4 or 4S can run iOS 8, but that would be the oldest version you can install it on.

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    48. Re: Alright smart guy by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      My G1 got a ton of updates, because Android was young and naive.

      My Sensation 4G got one good update, because Android was more mature, and didn't give it away so easily.

      My HTC ONE M7 is getting updates, with update to Android L scheduled, because HTC seems to consider updates a competitive advantage. And because it still meets the specs.

      Phones that are not strong enough should not get updates. You have to buy more to get more, and that costs $$$.

      Stop buying cheap stuff if you want it to last.

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    49. Re:Alright smart guy by Jhon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have an Ipad Mini Retina. I honestly don't notice any major slow-downs (a wee bit longer to launch an app -- and noticeably longer to boot the device). However, some apps no longer worked (awaiting an update) -- and this is somewhat minor.

      The MAJOR issue I have (and it's appearing a lot on the apple forums) is 5ghz wifi. For many users it's pretty much unusable. I had to switch down to 2.4 (my router has up to 4 SSIDs, 2 for each frequency). I don't LIKE 2.4 because it gets a fair amount of interference, but it's a suitable work around. I'm hoping this gets resolved in the next update.

      My main complaint is (and I kick myself in the butt over it) *THIS* complaint was registered while IOS8 was in beta by many users. I SAW those complains and figured they were resolved before they released the update. I should have known better. I had enough sense *NOT* to update my phone (iphone 5).

      That said, I don't notice much of ANYTHING worthy of real "hoopla". 'Hey siri' is neat, but I'm still unsure if I will find actual utility from it once the novelty wears off. Certainly not enough "new" stuff to warrant it's size and bulk.

    50. Re:Alright smart guy by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      My 3+ year old iPhone 4 is running iOS 7.1.2, until last week the current version of iOS. 18 months? I'd be upset.

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    51. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple's support for old hardware is miles and light-years ahead of everyone else. Bar none.

      Not quite true; The best place for old hardware is Cyanogenmod. I know that's third party and not OEM, so I guess you didn't mean to include it, but that definitely should not be left out as proof that the manufacturers could easily do the support if they wanted.

    52. Re: Alright smart guy by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      I stopped buying HTC phones precisely because the don't support their phones well. I had the G1, Sensation and then Amaze. None of them got proper updates.

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    53. Re: Alright smart guy by tepples · · Score: 2

      Free software doesn't solve everything if the software isn't free in the first place. Mobile SoC drivers are rarely entirely free software, often for regulatory reasons (to comply with national RF emission requirements on the cellular, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth radios) or because GPUs are still a patent and trade secret minefield.

    54. Re:Alright smart guy by amiga3D · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I've got a Samsung S2 Skyrocket and my wife has a Samsung Note 3. My Skyrocket hasn't had an upgrade available since just after I bought it over 2 and a half years ago. The Note 3 upgraded just after I bought it but it's only 3 months old. I've seen my friend update his iPhone 3 times now and he just put iOS 8 on it. He says it didn't seem to slow it down any and he's waiting on the next iPhone to upgrade so he must be okay with it. I don't have phone religion but I wont buy a phone without an SD slot so that leaves Apple out.

    55. Re:Alright smart guy by deathstar_nagisa · · Score: 1

      Oh, forgot to say this: only with Nokia phones you have a tool that will allow to "downgrade" from the DPP to the latest stable version. Good luck downgrading any non-Nokia WP to the latest stable version of the OS.

    56. Re:Alright smart guy by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The reason is just like their computers. They make the hardware and the software. With Android you have to deal with two separate sources, the manufacturer and Google. I would think Google's phones should be better supported than other android phones.

    57. Re:Alright smart guy by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only you are, if you ever need to wipe your phone and reinstall then you are only able to install the latest version of iOS, unless you've previously jailbroken and cached the previous versions - which isn't officially supported by apple.

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    58. Re:Alright smart guy by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      CyanogenmMOD is about to go on my Samsung S2. No updates in over 2 years and now a lot of the new apps wont run on it at all. It's still a pretty decent spec phone and in perfect shape. I can't see buying a new phone just to have a new phone.

    59. Re: Alright smart guy by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      And it would, if the drivers had been open source instead of closed then they would have been recompiled along with the newer android kernel.

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    60. Re:Alright smart guy by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter. Almost all the apps suck on every platform.

      Windows phone has most of the important 'flagship' apps and far fewer of the total shit apps. There are a number of total-shit apps in the store, but they stick out for what they are.

    61. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't be popular here, but you could choose any Windows Phone 8 device, register for the Developer Preview and get the latest OS running very nicely on even the oldest, slowest models.

      ahahahahahahahahahaaaahahahaaaa

    62. Re:Alright smart guy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0

      Sigh. Another humorless AC.

      Full of ennui and hate. Full of himself. Likely full of Cheetos. Where is that lust for life? That passion? That urge to break out of the narrow, tunnel-visioned view of life all to common these days.

      Must be Obama's fault.

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    63. Re:Alright smart guy by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      What did you load it on? An iPhone 1? A 4? An Osborne Executive?

      Funny...I had to google "Osborne Executive", and by whatever coincidence, the picture of it on the WP page has an iPhone next to it. I presume it's for size comparison, but I couldn't help but chuckle at the idea that it was taken by someone trying to get the iOS image running on it.

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    64. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me, but my old Galaxy S1 is running CyanogenMod 11 nightlies just fine.

    65. Re:Alright smart guy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      That is why the prudent iOS User with hardware > 1 Generation "back", waits a few days/weeks to see if they should Upgrade. After all, all it takes to not Upgrade, is to, well, not Upgrade. You iOS Device will continue to work exactly as always.

      The truly prudent iOS (or for that matter OS X) user waits until the .2 release to upgrade. That gives all of the beta testers, err, early users, time to debug the stuff that Apple, despite having a closed hardware platform, just never seems to manage very well. By the second point release, most of the mainstream bugs have been fixed as best they ever will.

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    66. Re:Alright smart guy by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Just to tack on a little evangelist comment, though I'm far from a Microsoft fanboy:

      If people want to actually try a Windows phone at a fairly low cost, you can buy a T-Mobile Locked Nokia 521 at Walmart for $49. Then you can buy a month on the WalMart exclusive month-at-a-time plan for $39. This package gets you a different SIM to install in your new phone and entitles you to be on the cheap $30 a month WalMart plan. Which gives you 100 minutes voice and 'unlimited' data and text. The Data is speed-capped at about 5GB.

      This package will let you give a try to Windows Phone at a very inexpensive no-commit price. The $39 package includes your first $30 month, so you're paying about $9 to get on that plan.

      So for those who want to give a try to Windows Phone you can get a month on it for roughly $100 all expenses included, and $30 a month for 'unlimited' data after that point. It's worth checking out if you have a benjamin to toss at experimenting. You own the phone for the $49 and can use it strictly with WiFi. If you want to be really cheap and just try Windows Mobile on WiFi or as a testbed to try developing on it, buy the thing and don't buy time on any T-Mobile plan or package.

    67. Re:Alright smart guy by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      What's the user interface like in iOS8 on a Mac Mini?

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    68. Re: Alright smart guy by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

      My friend has a 5 and with ios8 his bat dies faster, his apps run slower and we are thinking about factory restoring it to see if it fixes the issue.. No wonder they gave the new phones more bat life haha.
      It took forever to upgrade and in the end it still looks the same lol

    69. Re:Alright smart guy by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      It might be you. I have an iPhone 5S, never seen anything like that.

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    70. Re:Alright smart guy by chipschap · · Score: 2, Funny

      Must be Obama's fault.

      No. Definitely due to global warming.

    71. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I expect 18 - 24 months. I get a new phone about every year (no subsidized contract as those are a fool's game). I then hand down the one year old phone to my kid (my wife does the same; hands it to our other kid). The kids always have a phone that is 1 - 2 years old and so far - Nexus devices - they have been supported with updates for the entire time they have them. It is a lot more hit and miss if you go with non Nexus devices. If you do, stay within the flagship lines and you usually get updates for a decent period (although slower than for the Nexus devices).

    72. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Mac Mini RETINA :))

    73. Re: Alright smart guy by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should have let them install. The G1went to 1.6 (donut), and it had so little RAM that was the end unless you for it and went with a custom ROM.

      My Sensation went from 2.2.3 to 4.0, and can go to 4.4.4 with root and custom ROMs.

      What do you want?

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    74. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, but the percentage of Android phones that get updates for 18 months is so small it probably rounds to zero. There is simply no business reason to upgrade them.

    75. Re:Alright smart guy by Karlt1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      18 whole months!

      The 3GS was released in 2009 and got a security update 2/2014

      The iPhone 4 was released in 6/2010 and had the latest OS until 9/2014.

      Every iPhone released since 9/2011 can be upgraded to the latest OS.

    76. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, so if I want the latest security updates and fixes I have to have the most recent OS installed, and if that OS version is not available for my device I have to purchase a new device. That's sounds like planned obsolescence to me.

    77. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "* With an Android device, the manufacturer outright abandons updating the phone the moment their next handset is on sale. (Samsung seems to be the worst about this, but, even Google has done it to stock Nexus phones.)"

      That is just complete bullshit. The Samsung Galaxy S2 I had started with Ginger Bread and was updated to Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean with no issue. If you're going to post a statement, make sure you know what you're talking about first. If anything, Apple and Samsung support their products for a nearly equal period of time.

    78. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, no - that is what backups are for...

    79. Re: Alright smart guy by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Isn't galaxy nexus 2-3 years old ?

      1 year ,nexus 5
      2 year nexus 4
      3 year galaxy nexus ?

      Not as good as apple for sure ,but not 18 months old either .

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    80. Re:Alright smart guy by kwiqsilver · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's a Mac Mini Retina?

      Since the Mac Mini doesn't come with any sort of display, I'm assuming you just plugged the display port cable straight into your own retina.

    81. Re: Alright smart guy by binary+paladin · · Score: 1

      It was 18 months at the time Kitkat was released (or about anyway).

    82. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My third gen iPad seems slower to load most programs, particularly those that require some internet access.

    83. Re: Alright smart guy by binary+paladin · · Score: 1

      And to add... it's not the time so much as the fact that the Galaxy Nexus was more than capable of handling the OS. Google simply decided not to support it. That's it.

    84. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had my iPhone 4s for 3 years now. Really happy with the speed. Haven't updated to 8 yet, but it has all other updates.

    85. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, no.

      Apparently you haven't really used older iOS devices after they are considered more or less obsolete by Apple's standards.

      Such a device would otherwise work just fine, but in reality it won't. Apple's own software just crashes on it when started.

      Funny thing is that Google's and Microsoft's iOS software usually work pretty fine even on those devices where Apple has abandoned all support. That's also reflected on their own devices where upgrades really are much "safer" than on iOS devices. I have experience from all of them.

    86. Re:Alright smart guy by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

      I doesn't need to be *that* old, just not the latest model. It is a known fact, from a previous SD article, that older models slow down when a new iphone is released, which always coincides with a bright new shiny OS upgrade. If you upgrade the older hardware to keep up with the Jone's you are likely to have a slower phone,ipod, or ipad after you are done.

    87. Re:Alright smart guy by timeOday · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple shouldn't allow the upgrade to be installed on a device which can't run it properly

      Humbug! Let Apple recommend whatever it likes, but let me make the final call. It's still my device, remember?

    88. Re:Alright smart guy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

      But Global Warming is Obama's fault!

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    89. Re:Alright smart guy by Moderator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nope. My Galaxy Nexus, purchased new from the Google Play store in November 2012, was no longer supported in October 2013 with 4.3. That's less than a year, and the reason I no longer use an Android product.

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    90. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The podcast app does suck. Your battery may affected by the new background update feature: apps can check for updates (new mail, tweets, etc) all the time, not just when foregrounded. You can disable that.

    91. Re:Alright smart guy by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      It cant win with apple fans either. From what im hearing, ios8 obsoletes the 4S pretty hard, which is a bit insane considering it is 3 years old. The plain fact is Apple is supporting it in name only. As soon as the screen changed dimensions, it was left behind.

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    92. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, typically idiotic Apple user. "iOS 8 on Mac Mini Retina" and "won't load a new OS on a device that only supports some of its new features and not all". Yeah, obviously you have to throw that 4S away and buy a new iPhone 6 like a good boy.

    93. Re:Alright smart guy by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It would only be "Planned Obsolescence" if the user was forced to install an iOS Upgrade. But they aren't; so it isn't.

      *Sortof*. However, there is another effect that I've noticed as a dev, that when the majority of users do upgrade then app developers very quickly abandon support for the older OS, whereas Android devs know they have to keep stuff backward compatible so don't drop those old OS's as quickly. This means that your apps tend to stop getting upgrades if you don't upgrade your OS, and then stop working (most apps being network dependent and therefore killable by the software devs when you version won't talk to their server). So there is a strong pressure to upgrade.

    94. Re: Alright smart guy by Alien1024 · · Score: 1

      Like GP, I stopped buying HTC due to horrible support for upgrades. The Desire HD was far from cheap - more than 600 euro at the time I bought it, the HTC flagship device back then. Officially, it is stuck at 2.3.5. They once promised to upgrade it to 4.x at some point, but they later retracted and they had the nerve to claim they couldn't upgrade it because "storage partitioning", "user data", or some such baloney. Yes, it can be upgraded with CyanogenMod or whatever, but it was lame how they refused to upgrade a recent and powerful device with such pathetic excuses - the real reason was, obviously, they wanted you to buy the Sensation or the One.

      Having said that, it still works like new after 6 years (terrible GPS and WiFi not that great; fine otherwise).

      Disclaimer: this is by no means a slam on Android or a defense of iOS; my current phone is a Nexus 4 and it's great.

    95. Re:Alright smart guy by dk20 · · Score: 1

      My Galaxy Tab 3 just received the update to android 4.4, not bad considering the tab 4's have been out for some time now.
      With android devices there are also custom rom alternatives (Cyanogenmod comes to mine) and they make it fairly easy to install as well.

    96. Re: Alright smart guy by Alien1024 · · Score: 1

      it still works like new after 4 years

      FTFM. The point stands.

    97. Re:Alright smart guy by dk20 · · Score: 0

      Care to post some facts behind your " is miles and light-years ahead of everyone else. Bar none." statement?

      Go take a look at which devices support "mavericks" and come back and post your findings.
      HINT: Many Mac Pro users were unhappy with the "line" at "2008 and newer"

      Looking around my house, I have a SUN X4500 (Released July 2006) which runs Solaris 11.2 (Released April 2014). This alone exceeds Apple's "miles and light years" approach you listed by at least 2 years.

      Windows PC's generally don't have arbitrary limits to which OS you can install (unlike Macs).

      Next FUD please?

    98. Re: Alright smart guy by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      This is true, but 7.x was built on the CE kernel and there were a lot of good reasons to change to the NT kernel. Now that 8.x is on the same kernel as all other Windows products there is no longer a good reason to make another big break.

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    99. Re:Alright smart guy by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      It's running inside virtual box that's running inside vmware on an android emulator that's running on an iPhone 1.
      What's wrong with that?

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    100. Re:Alright smart guy by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      But Android is based on Linux, and I can still run Linux on a 386 without problems.

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    101. Re:Alright smart guy by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1
      Without the Developer Preview you are still tied to carrier and manufacturer whim, this is true. I wasn't aware that even the Preview updates were stopped for some phones, like the HTCs but I stand corrected. I've only had Nokia devices and these have all worked well with the Preview OS, even a 520. Certainly once the firmware is updated to matrch the OS the battery life and performance does improve, but I would not say that running on earlier firmware made a dramatic difference.

      With Microsoft now owning the Nokia phones, they can potentially have the same control over firmware updates as Apple, which leaves HTC and the others at a disadvantage whichever OS they use.

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    102. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hmm i got my Galaxy S3 when it came out, and I just got the latest update last week.

    103. Re:Alright smart guy by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Oops - iPad Mini Retina. My kingdom for an Edit button.

    104. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key there being Windows Phone 8, which means phones that aren't that old. The WP7 phone buyers on the other hand got thrown under the bus by Microsoft about a year and a half after their release. Compare that to the Iphone 4s which was released at about the same time as the first WP7 phones, and is still getting updates almost three years after its release.

      And the WP8.1 Developer Preview sure wasn't running nicely on my Lumia. I could not make any calls after the phone had been on for a while.

    105. Re:Alright smart guy by mjwx · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope. My Galaxy Nexus, purchased new from the Google Play store in November 2012, was no longer supported in October 2013 with 4.3. That's less than a year, and the reason I no longer use an Android product.

      The Galaxy Nexus was released in November 2011. So you bought an old phone that was current at the time of purchasing.

      However there are a metric ton of easy to install community ROMs if updates matter that much, the ability to do what you want with your device was one of the cornerstones of the Nexus project. Compare that to buying last years Iphone, want to do something where Apple says NICHT, you're shit out of luck. That is why I dont own any Apple products.

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    106. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yeah the submitter is a shill or hater. you complain about an os, but you don't say what device you're running on? you say all of your apps have been updated for iOS8, 7 days after release? for iOS7 it took months for app developers to come on board. and yes, iOS7 had a beta period like iOS8.

      my experience: i'm using an iphone5. no slowdown in apps, and general increase in "snappiness".

      bads: i was super annoyed by the size of the download. requires 4.6gb of free space, although the download is only 1gb. i had to clear out my music then re-load. i miss the "facetime voice call" you could get from the messages app.

    107. Re: Alright smart guy by finkployd · · Score: 1

      Somebody never had a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon.

      Worst phone experience ever. All parties involved should be ashamed.

    108. Re:Alright smart guy by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I like CM as much as the next Android fan, but I'm also capable of using Odin or RSD Lite to fix a phone that won't boot if it goes wrong, and CM certainly has variable support for specific models. The thing is, CM users will put up with the odd quirk here or there to get what they want, and if they really need the camera, or Bluetooth, or whatever to work, they'll just go back to a rooted stock image. Manufacturers don't have that luxury.

    109. Re: Alright smart guy by drerwk · · Score: 1

      What browser? I can't get most sites to load anymore due to js / html5 use most places. I'd love to keep my g4 power book running.

    110. Re:Alright smart guy by Moderator · · Score: 0

      Yes, I did purchase the Galaxy Nexus with the Nexus 4 on the horizon. If you remember back to late 2012, the Nexus 4 looked like it would be a downgrade in terms of build quality and an initial lack of LTE. But the fact remains that I purchased a Nexus product new, directly from Google, and it was abandoned less than a year later.

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    111. Re:Alright smart guy by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My 4 year old Galaxy S is running Android KitKat 4.4.4 and it actually runs faster with KitKat than it did with Gingerbread 2.3 and has more features. Of course Samsung didn't upgrade it but at least someone who was willing to tackle it was able to.

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    112. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > if the user was forced to install an iOS Upgrade. But they aren't; so it isn't

      Eventually either you upgrade iOS or you stop being able to get app updates and new apps.

    113. Re:Alright smart guy by el_chicano · · Score: 1

      * With an Android device, the manufacturer outright abandons updating the phone the moment their next handset is on sale. (Samsung seems to be the worst about this, but, even Google has done it to stock Nexus phones.)

      One word: CyaongenMod

      I only upgraded my Samsung Vibrant to a Samsung Note 2 because I wanted 4G and a bigger screen. CyanogenMod gave the Vibrant whole new lease on life plus no crappy Samsung or t-Mobile apps. I'd like a new Samsung Note 4 but I will probably put CyanogenMod on my current phone and use it for another year.

      Too bad I can't do that the iPhone 4 work made me buy when they paid for my phone line. I hated both AT&T and the iPhone so I told work to stop paying for my phone. About the best I can do is sell it cheap to some iTard...

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    114. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Windows PC's generally don't have arbitrary limits to which OS you can install (unlike Macs).

      The fuck? I have OSX, Windows, two different versions of Linux, and Flex09 running on my Mac. And an SSH window to my Raspberry Pi. Right now. All at once. On five monitors. Not feeling like I'm missing anything at all. But hey, I'll bite. What relevant OS can I *not* install on my Mac?

    115. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You think there is something funny about this?

      It's hilarious to see Slashdotters being so easily manipulated by Apple's Social Media Managers (SMMs).

      They've pushed the real discussion so far down that nobody'll read anything which might threaten the RDF...

    116. Re:Alright smart guy by armanox · · Score: 1

      Well, that would be different.

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    117. Re:Alright smart guy by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Thanks, I'll check it out. Being able to test on a real Windows 8 phone for 50 bucks with no strings attached is a bargain.

    118. Re:Alright smart guy by bakayoko · · Score: 1

      When Apple patched a serious SSL vulnerability back in February, they required users to upgrade to iOS 7 to get it. Apple also released a security update for iOS 6, but if your device was capable of running 7, you couldn't install it. Sounds like a forced upgrade to me.

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    119. Re:Alright smart guy by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      Not picking a side. But it's kinda funny when you think about it:

      * With an Apple device, you get regular updates to iOS, but your phone will continually become slower (planned obsolescence)

      I'm not sure I follow how making software more powerful and "do more stuff" is equated with planned obsolescence? The bells and whistles take more to run and they are using the newer hardware to bring a better experience with more features. But for those that believe in "planned obsolescence" you can always not update.

    120. Re:Alright smart guy by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      18 months, huh? you think that's long enough?

      I still have my N1 phone and its still in nearly new physical condition. bugfixes and security updates stopped several years ago. should I throw it out? even CM is not updated for this phone.

      otoh, I have pc's that are more than 10 yrs old, STILL SECURE and STILL able to be updated.

      fuck google. they are children with a short attention span. they make linux look like something worse than MS or apple (even MS and apple give more updates than google does on older hardware.)

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    121. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next FUD please?

      We're talking about mobiles here genius. And FUD doesn't mean "something incorrect". It's Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt which the GP did nothing of in that statement.

    122. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, Samsung is releasing 4.4.4 to older devices right now. The Note 3, which has been replaced by the 4 as of a few weeks ago, just started rollouts with carriers last week.

      Woah, you mean the phone that was current generation just a couple weeks ago actually gets updates!? How does Samsung do it? /s

    123. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what exactly is wrong with Cheetos?

    124. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Mexican nut switcheroo. Classic.

    125. Re:Alright smart guy by sconeu · · Score: 2

      I believe the 4S is the minimum requirement.

      I'm not getting the "upgrade badge" on my 4.

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    126. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently the new keyboard options aren't as fantastic as they make them sound.

      Says the anonymous poster with 0 experience with it. They work great.

    127. Re:Alright smart guy by jrumney · · Score: 2

      And some, such as the original iPad, are cut off in less than a year. Apple is as much of a mixed bag as any other vendor.

    128. Re:Alright smart guy by sconeu · · Score: 1

      That's the ONLY reason I went to 7.

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    129. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to mention custom ROMs for Android. I had Kit-Kat on my 3 year old phone before my friend got the update on his brand new phone. Sure some are buggy but I've had very few problems. Custom ROMs even made my old LG Ally usable for another year by allowing me to dump all the bloatware and overclock it.

    130. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Apple doesn't want you to do something you jailbreak it and do what you want anyway. iOS is pretty nice under the hood. The only drawback is that unofficial tinkering makes the system unstable.

      Contrast that with android, where the manufacturer typically doesn't want you to do anything to their phone that break usability and damage their brand name. So, you always need to root it. The only drawback being that sometimes your hardware doesn't work and things can be unstable.

      Or as they say...six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    131. Re:Alright smart guy by binarylarry · · Score: 0

      Gee THAT SOUNDS GREAT, where can I get this AMAZING DEAL on FANTASTIC WINDOW SOFTWARE?

      I'm not a SHILL AT ALL and infact have USED ANDROID BEFORE!

      Thank you Microsoft, WHAT WOULD I HAVE DONE WITHOUT YOUR AMAZING OFFER?

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    132. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TenFourFox is your friend.

    133. Re:Alright smart guy by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      I can happily (and do) run Cyanogenmod CM11 on my Samsung Galaxy S (original version). Thats android 4.4.4, latest.
      In fact the progressions of andrioid versions have made the device faster, more user friendly, and functional over time.

      Got the phone in early 2010.

      So, what is your point?

    134. Re:Alright smart guy by thechink · · Score: 1

      Less than a year? The original iPad got over two years of support. First sold with iOS 3 but could update to iOS 4 & 5.

      Apple's first generation devices tend to get relatively short support but lately they seem to have settled into a 4 year cycle. For example, the iPhone 4, first sold in July 2010, got the most recent OS up until this past Wednesday, 4 years and 2 months.

    135. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I put it on my 4s, I didn't notice much of a slowdown, but I fid notice improvements.

    136. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Galaxy S3 is now with 4.4.2. So it came with Ice Cream Sandwich, then updated to Jelly bean, and now to Kit Kat.

      I know it's not 4.4.4 (and I don't care), but saying "manufacturers outright abandon the phone the moment their next handset is on sale" is plain false.

    137. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. How things are supposed to be!!!

    138. Re:Alright smart guy by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do you realise you are actively spreading a lie, one that I have yet to figure out whether you are doing it purposefully or accidentally. Google most emphatically does not support Nexus devices for 18 months. They only support devices 18 months after initial release. Meaning you can purchase the device brand new 17 months after the initial release and only get one months support. So they provide only depreciating support regardless of purchase date, based upon initial product release date and guess what, you get zero discount for that reduced support.

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    139. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think there is something funny about this?

      At least he has the cajones to admit his mistakes, with his username, COWARD.

      Yes by making up the handle "sabri" you are boldy providing us with your full legal identity so that anyone can easily know who you are, you brave soul! You're definitely a better person than us rabble and riff-raff that use the pre-assigned handle "Anonymous Coward". Man I hope one day I can be more like you. If I try very hard maybe I could!

    140. Re:Alright smart guy by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      IMO, a phone should be supported with (at a minimum) security updates until at least two years after the last time the manufacturer made it available for sale new. That way, anyone on a two-year contract can upgrade to a newer device before the security bug fixes stop.

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    141. Re:Alright smart guy by puto · · Score: 1

      The skyrocket got an upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich last year...

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    142. Re:Alright smart guy by SJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you bought an old phone that was current at the time of purchasing.

      It seem he bought a current phone at the the time of purchasing. Because... that's what was currently available.

      The warranty starts from the date of purchase, not the date the design was handed over to manufacturing.

      If Google supports a phone for 18 months, then they have to support it for 18 months from the date it was last officially on sale.

    143. Re:Alright smart guy by puto · · Score: 1

      They are fairly new ios devices.

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    144. Re:Alright smart guy by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      I'm going to try putting it in airplane mode when I go to bed tonight to see if that stops whatever is eating it.

      Go to Settings > General > Usage > Battery Usage and it will tell you what's been using energy.

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    145. Re:Alright smart guy by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Go take a look at which devices support "mavericks" and come back and post your findings.
      HINT: Many Mac Pro users were unhappy with the "line" at "2008 and newer"

      The list for Mavericks was identical to the list for Mountain Lion. They were mad a year earlier than that.

      The way Apple determines support tends to be based upon hardware functionality. Mountain Lion dropped the 32-bit kernel, which means only systems with a 64-bit EFI could run it. Of course, for as long as I can remember, folks have been hacking OS X to run on older, unsupported machines—usually by hacking up the installer and replacing the missing drivers and platform experts, IIRC.

      In the case of Mountain Lion and later, such a hack would also require writing a custom bootloader, because the 32-bit EFI can't load a 64-bit bootloader, and the Apple-provided 32-bit bootloader can't load a 64-bit kernel. It seems likely that the non-EFI kernels and bootloader used in the Hackintosh community would "just work" in that regard, but I've never tried it.

      Either way, I'm pretty sure the discussion was about phone hardware, rather than computers.

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    146. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're going to be using your carrier anyways. Why not 199/299$ . not costing you any more. Unless you jump carriers often. So why pay full price?

    147. Re:Alright smart guy by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Backups make no difference. GP is correct. A backup of an iOS device includes only user data and apps, not the OS itself, because it is always more reliable to install the OS from a known-good source, and you wouldn't want those bits getting overwritten by corrupted versions from a backup.

      And as I understand it, iTunes won't sign the firmware for your device unless Apple says it should. And Apple stops letting it do so shortly after the next OS comes out. Therefore, short of a jailbreak and some sort of forced downgrade from within iOS itself, it is not possible to reinstall a non-current version of iOS even if you've kept the old IPSW file (except on older devices where no newer version is available).

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    148. Re: Alright smart guy by abhi_beckert · · Score: 1

      My sister is just using Safari on her PowerMac G5.

      Anything with flash is pig slow... but most stuff still works. The kids play lots of games without any issues.

    149. Re: Alright smart guy by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine why Texas Instruments' lack of support would be relevant in any way unless the phone vendor seriously lacked foresight. Most hardware manufacturers won't ship a closed binary blob that they don't build themselves. They may not be able to make the sources available, and it may be guarded under piles of NDAs so tall that the falling tower of paper would kill anyone who tried to leak it, but that doesn't mean they don't have the sources. I can't imagine that even Samsung would put themselves in such a vulnerable position.

      Then again, if Samsung really doesn't care much about long-term support, maybe they would.

      *shrugs*

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    150. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, these anonymous cowards are all assholes.

    151. Re:Alright smart guy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Samsung is one of the best. My old Galaxy S3 still gets regular updates. The US version with 2gb RAM is on KitKat, the European version still gets fixes for Jellybean (4.3).

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    152. Re:Alright smart guy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      The problem is that phone hardware advanced very fast, so while a 5 year old PC is still very capable a 5 year old phone probably has a single core slow processor, 512mb ram if you are lucky and a low quality screen.

      In any case, a Nexus phone costs less than half what an iPhone costs, so you can afford to upgrade twice as often.

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    153. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had an older android
      phone and eventually had to upgrade because many of the apps stopped supporting my phone.

      I get the feeling that we're on the Firefox Extension threadmill where everyone officially demands the latest and greatest, but nobody can put a gun to a thousand developers' heads to "upgrade" their app to work on the new environment, so a few apps will just never work on the newest OS. I was disappointed to find recently that Windows 7 x64 bit refuses to run 16 bit software. Not news to me thanks to Vista, but it wasn't some old DOS application... it was Windows 3.1 freeware that I wanted to try out. It's never been clear to me from years of /. reading that this is the case. Since MS planned for that maliciously, then they have no right to be confused by businesses sticking with XP to run their apps.

      Interesting that someone else added a sidenote that some apps stopped working because they are now pending updates specific to iOS8.
      The world of Software is great at pretending it is a cohesive place, when it is really a fragmented neighborhood where no two house blueprints are alike, and devs make it less and less possible to help users that don't have exactly the same setup as you do.

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    154. Re:Alright smart guy by strikethree · · Score: 1

      What did you load it on? An iPhone 1? A 4? An Osborne Executive?

      Who cares? It is slower. That is all that matters here.

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    155. Re:Alright smart guy by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      With an Android device, the manufacturer outright abandons updating the phone the moment their next handset is on sale.

      And then you say "screw it" and grab AOSP, and evaluate why you didnt get an unlocked non-contract phone like a motoG or nexus to begin with.

    156. Re:Alright smart guy by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Please read my statement once again. I never said Apple was perfect and that nobody ever had to complain. Plus, I was talking about iOS. You know, context and all...

    157. Re:Alright smart guy by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Luckily Moto G / Moto X / Nexus devices are all quite nice, cheap, unlocked, and will have support for a very long time.

    158. Re:Alright smart guy by unity · · Score: 1

      "And the WP8.1 Developer Preview sure wasn't running nicely on my Lumia. I could not make any calls after the phone had been on for a while."
      I had that problem at first as well; it turned out that it was turning on some new? feature called "Wi-Fi calling" by default. After I turned that off and set it to prefer cellular calling I had no more problems. 8.1 developer preview is great.

    159. Re:Alright smart guy by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      If you read my past comments, you'll see I'm not a MS shill at all, quite the opposite.

      I hate testing for Microsoft browsers, it's usually a PITA.

      Anyway this super-duper-amazing deal is only available in Walmart U.S.A., it's not even listed on walmart.ca

    160. Re:Alright smart guy by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      It would still be a problem because Apple shouldn't allow the upgrade to be installed on a device which can't run it properly.

      Yeah, and if they didn't allow you to upgrade the OS on an older phone, everyone would be complaining and saying that Apple should leave that choice to the end users...

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    161. Re:Alright smart guy by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      * With an Android device, the manufacturer outright abandons updating the phone the moment their next handset is on sale. (Samsung seems to be the worst about this, but, even Google has done it to stock Nexus phones.)

      This is wrong. Samsung supports its S series devices (S2, S3, S4, etc) for a looooooong time. S2 got updates till KitKat. And with every update it got faster, not slower. They even back ported some of the features they introduced on later devices (Smart Stay, etc).

      Nexus devices have guaranteed updates (on the same day of announcement, too) for 18 months. The new Android One handsets also have guaranteed updates. It should be noted that these updates are from Google so they are very quick and very frequent, sometimes to the brink of annoyance.

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    162. Re:Alright smart guy by Malc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must have serious amounts of spare if you think it's an acceptable solution to go looking around an online community for solutions like this. I don't have the time nor inclination to do this with every device in my household. Maybe once because it's interesting, but that's pushing it. It's a phone or table device FFS, I just want it to work and spend my time more usefully.

      Furthermore, if the device was current at the time it was bought, it's irrelevant how long it was since the original release date. It's reasonable to expect a useful support period. What the grandparent post described is totally unacceptable.

    163. Re: Alright smart guy by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the information doesn't look reasonable. I shut down all apps, we'll see what it says in the AM. Tomorrow night I might do the airplane mode test.

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    164. Re:Alright smart guy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Android seems to get faster with each release. For that matter even Windows does lately. Poor performance is not inevitable.

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    165. Re: Alright smart guy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Of you upgrade your iPhone once every 5 years that means you can afford to upgrade your Nexus device every 2 years. New hardware, an older but very usable device to hand down or sell, and updates that don't cripple you with slowdown.

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    166. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure what you mean about Samsung, I have the Galaxy 4S and I have had 4 OS updates on it since I have owned it. Mine is updated to the 5S and would just as well.

    167. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Galaxy Nexus (verizon wireless) did get 2 Android OS upgrades (last was to 4.2.2). My phone is a Galaxy Nexus currently, and have had it for both upgrades. Kinda bummed it missed 4.4, but...not really. Used an S5 for a week, like the GNex better. Ymmv.

    168. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're just proving his point. It's reasonable to suggest that a phone be supported for 18months after purchase, regardless of whether you're an early adopter or last one in. Considering that many of these phones/tablets are available for sale beyond a year, the logical conclusion of "18months from release" is that a phone still advertised for sale could have already reached the end of it's "support life". A great example of this is the current (2013) Nexus 7. Released in July of 2013, it is still on sale direct from Google, but will "officially" reach the end of it's software support life two months from now in December.

      No one is expecting Google to go whole-Microsoft and go for 10+ years of support, but at least Apple-ish levels (3years+ would be my minimum) ought to be expected.

    169. Re:Alright smart guy by Pallas+Athena · · Score: 1

      Umm, no. Nexus devices are supported for 18 months as they specifically say I've owned nearly all the Nexus devices

      18 months? Funny... Here in Belgium all consumer devices have to have a 24 month warranty period minimum. So ... still in warranty, but unsupported?? Of course, if you are one of those people standing in line whenever the next model hits the shops, you never have to worry about upgrades, whatever brand you choose.

    170. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A contract that is longer than the device is supported? Sounds like it might break a couple of consumer right laws there.

    171. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The autocorrect feature works better now

    172. Re:Alright smart guy by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      How does slow not make it operate properly?

      I guess it comes down too if you want the features or speed

      IOS 7 was the last OS for the iPhone 4
      iOS 8 is the last for the 4s
      I expect the following for the future...
      iOS 9 for the 5
      iOS 10 for the 5s / 5c
      iOS 11 for the 6
      iOS 12 for the 6s ...

      If you want good performance don't upgrade to the last cycle.

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    173. Re:Alright smart guy by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      The Nexus 4 was release in November 2012 and will be officially supported in the next Android version L.

    174. Re:Alright smart guy by DaCo · · Score: 1

      In any case, a Nexus phone costs less than half what an iPhone costs, so you can afford to upgrade twice as often.

      Only if you're budgeting for an iPhone. Many aren't.

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    175. Re:Alright smart guy by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Apple shouldn't allow the upgrade to be installed on a device which can't run it properly

      Humbug! Let Apple recommend whatever it likes, but let me make the final call. It's still my device, remember?

      lol, good one.

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    176. Re:Alright smart guy by stooo · · Score: 1

      >>The 3GS was released in 2009 and got a security update 2/2014
      >>The iPhone 4 was released in 6/2010 and had the latest OS until 9/2014.

      The release date is not relevant. Relevant is the end of production date.

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    177. Re:Alright smart guy by tsa · · Score: 1

      If you connect your iPhone to a computer that has iTunes running you don't have to throw things away. That saves you a lot of work. Besides, many people recommend to make a full backup of your iDevice first and then do a clean install. I never do that :).

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    178. Re:Alright smart guy by AC-x · · Score: 1

      With an Android device, the manufacturer outright abandons updating the phone the moment their next handset is on sale. (Samsung seems to be the worst about this, but, even Google has done it to stock Nexus phones.)

      Pick your poison. Slow, or quick. ....then get ready for your next pill.

      At least with Android running a custom build is officially supported by the OS, and some handsets (especially the Nexus line) officially support rooting to install custom builds too. My nearly 4 year old Nexus S is running the latest version of KitKat just fine, and has actually got faster with the last few versions.

    179. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would it matter whether a device is 'supported' by the vendor? Does anyone actuallly use the supplied firmware?

    180. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP asks a question without giving us information which is critical for a meaninful answer. First post points that out and you instantly yell "fanboy!" I think we all see who the real fanboy is. At any rate, so that my post isn't just adding to the noise you've created I'll add that iOS 8 runs quite well on my 5S.

    181. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the difference in the monthly fee between a SIM only plan and a plan with a subsidised phone adds up to much more than the subsidy on the phone. Additionally, carrier-supplied phones tend to be loaded with bloatware and in the past, they were often sim-locked.

    182. Re:Alright smart guy by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Not mine. :(

    183. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a 2 years old Lumia 820 (released Q4 2012) and it's sporting 8.1 easily. I won't go into details just how awesome WP8/8.1 is because both apple and android fanboys would eat me alive.

    184. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      presume your joking.

      You don't own an apple device, your just paying apple to let you use it, it's not fucking yours!.

    185. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope emergency responders would be busy doing other shit, rather than trying to find your phone and then figure out how to find the info on it.

      Fucking apple idiots again...

    186. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't modify an iPhone just because Apple says "no", then you just aren't trying hard enough.

    187. Re:Alright smart guy by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
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    188. Re: Alright smart guy by cormandy · · Score: 1

      Put ios 8 on wife's iPad 2 and she has since started complaint that it has slowed down. That is, navigating and such in now chunky as opposed to smooth.

    189. Re:Alright smart guy by wed128 · · Score: 1

      it would be MUCH easier for the camera, or bluetooth, to *always* work in cyanogenmod if the project had access to specifications for the hardware. a lot of the hardware interfacing in cyanogenmod is reverse-engineered because datasheets just aren't available to the general public.

      Manufacturers don't have this issue; they have specifications for their hardware.

    190. Re:Alright smart guy by wed128 · · Score: 1

      whatever new OSX is released 7 years from now.

    191. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The former are readily available. Caveat emptor?

    192. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple devices "degrade" with OS updates in the same way that Windows updates do on PCs, gradually. But even after an Apple starts no being upgradeable to the latest OS release, it stays useful for years to come. My mother is still using my hand-me-down 2002 desk-lamp iMac, which has the old PowerPC processor.

      I don't know what you consider "useful" to be in this sense. The Early 2002 "Lampshade" iMac G4 will officially only run OS X 10.4.11, and having owned one in the past, I can tell you that the NVidia card is almost unusable on Linux due to NVidia never releasing a binary driver for PPC. Nouveau support for those cards is a joke, not to mention that not many Linux distros support PPC 32-bit these days. The last I recall for Apple hardware was YellowDog Linux and Fedora, but no recent versions. As such, the following is assuming that you are running OS X on it and not Linux.

      Mac OS X 10.4 is too old to run any modern browsers (Firefox or Chrome) and 10.4 hasn't received Safari updates in 6 years or so. Her web experience is going to be sub-par at best. Not to mention that Apple intentionally leaves OS X versions of Java and Flash behind as part of their planned obsolesce.

      Sure, you're probably a pretty low attack surface, given that PPC Macs have a pretty small market share. But I'd argue that older PPC Macs running OS X are, at this point, only suitable for offline tasks as it's been years since they received any security updates and the browsing experience is going to be quite poor on web browsers that are 4+ years old. Even if Mac OS X malware isn't common, with a browser that old it's likely she's vulnerable to XSS and a host of other web-based exploitation methods that have become common since 2007.

      Apart from "I hate throwing things away" I can't see a reasonable argument for using one of these. Just buy her a Chromebook, or if you despise Google and want an offline option, a cheap laptop and put Linux on it. The power savings alone (Lampshade iMacs draw ~50W idle, a new laptop will average around 15W) will pay for the new device before it reaches its end of life, and the user experience will be much improved from an OS that hasn't received an update in 7 years.

    193. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get Win 7 64bit to run 16 bit apps if you have professional. You can setup XP mode, and set up the 16bit application to utilize XP mode to run. http://www.pcworld.com/article/255507/run_xp_software_in_windows_7.html

      It is a bit of work, but I have had to use it before.

    194. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a BB10 and the OS gets faster with each OS update. And it's been a year and a half.

      Probably because it is built on top of a real time embedded OS that focuses on security. Not a hobbled together consumer toy OS. Oh, I trust my phone to be a credit card replacement more than Apple who can't even prevent brute force attacks on their services.

    195. Re:Alright smart guy by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      The release date is not relevant. Relevant is the end of production date.

      Okay, the 3GS was last sold as new until the 5 came out in September 2012 and got a security update in 2/2014. So even if you bought the lowest end iPhone available you still got 18-24 months of support -- the same as the top of the line flagship Android Nexus. I'm not aware of any security related patches that have come out since then that weren't released for the 3GS.

    196. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Cajones is spanish for drawers as in a dresser with drawers. On the other hand cojones is spanish for balls.

      So for the spanish literates its kinda funny.

      So Sabri as respected as you might be with your username and what not, I guess Anonymous Coward #1 might be as lazy as I am to logon, so lets be Anonymous Cowards.

    197. Re: Alright smart guy by drerwk · · Score: 1

      I use safari too - which is what is failing to load all kinds of things - I'm going to give tenfourfox a try. I mostly like to have a 'puter that the two year old can tear the keys off of and I don't get stressed out. But it would also be nice if the browser worked well enough for the seven year old to run his blog.

    198. Re: Alright smart guy by chaboud · · Score: 1

      There's more than one?!? Ooooooooh... That makes *way* more sense.

      I thought you were a self I contradicting idiot who posted a lot.

    199. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple treats its Mac OS and iOS as completely different things.

      Try installing a different OS on that old Mac? Sure, as long as the machine is supported.

      Try installing an older OS on your iDevice? No way in hell. Apple's installer phones home at the end of the install to check and see if that install is allowed. You can never downgrade your OS if you decide you don't like it unless you jailbreak the device. It sucks ass.

    200. Re:Alright smart guy by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      The WP ecosystem is affected by fragmentation in an Android-like fashion because of how the operating system is rolled out to the devices.

      To be fair, the "devices" word of your post is actually small enough in quantity so as to be hyperbole. Although I guess that makes it easier for Microkia to manage the "extensive" fragmentation of its "market".

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    201. Re: Alright smart guy by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      if hes still lucky enough to have an unlimited plan its the only way to keep that

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    202. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You just plainly stated why Android support sucks and don't even realize it.

    203. Re:Alright smart guy by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      my GS3 is running kitkat officially

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    204. Re:Alright smart guy by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      ok and? someone who bought an ipod classic last week is abandoned as of friday.

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    205. Re:Alright smart guy by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Correct, 4S is the minimum. iPad 2 devices are still allowed though. The cutoff seems to be requiring a dual core processor. Honestly, iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 really dogs out unless you turn off background app refresh... iOS 7/8 were not made for single processor devices.

    206. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is absolutely irrelevant to normal non-technical users. You did not prove that Google's and Samsung's support do not suck.

    207. Re: Alright smart guy by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Because the difference in the monthly fee between a SIM only plan and a plan with a subsidised phone adds up to much more than the subsidy on the phone.

      None of this applies to the US. US Carriers that subsidize phones charge the same rates for non-"pay as you go" plans regardless of how you acquired the phone. US carriers that don't subsidize phones just add the price of the phone divided by some number of months to your monthly bill.

    208. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm running SlimRom on the ol' i9000 ... What roms are you two running?

      BTW 25 million sold makes it one of the more ubiquitous phone models in history

    209. Re:Alright smart guy by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      sure, i think we all have 10 year old PCs running at home at this point, hell I have a sony laptop thats 9 years old and still does anything I want it to

      Smart phones are still infants, in the total scheme of things. go back to 1997 and tell me you had a 10 year old PC (1987) still running and doing everything you wanted it to. that would be a better comparison

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    210. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You saw those complaints*, not those complains.

    211. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only you are, if you ever need to wipe your phone and reinstall then you are only able to install the latest version of iOS, unless you've previously jailbroken and cached the previous versions - which isn't officially supported by apple.

      Not true, in iTunes you can force install any firmware you want.

    212. Re:Alright smart guy by Rigel47 · · Score: 2

      Or with my BlackBerry I continue to get all new OS releases that by and far have improved battery life, stability, and performance while adding new features left and right.

      You don't have to pick the blue or red pill. Oh, and it runs all Android apps.

    213. Re:Alright smart guy by organgtool · · Score: 1

      It would only be "Planned Obsolescence" if the user was forced to install an iOS Upgrade. But they aren't; so it isn't.

      App developers can be pretty quick to drop support for older versions of iOS. So while you are correct, you'll eventually have to bite the bullet and upgrade once you're not able to get any more apps. At least that was my experience. I held off upgrading until I wiped the phone to trade it for a non-Apple phone. When I flashed to the latest version of iOS before the trade-in, the phone became so laggy that it was nearly unusable. And that was with no apps installed as I had wiped it clean of apps and data.

    214. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who isn't a techie uses the supplied firmware. Why do guys like you not realize that people who visit sites like Slashdot and engage in these conversations are an amazingly small sampling of users? We are the minority bro. I have applied ROMs to my Android devices back when I thought that was fun and honestly am sick of fucking with phones. I prefer that my daily phone be supported and not require a lot of tinkering.

    215. Re: Alright smart guy by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      Me too, on my 5S it seems the same or maybe a tiny bit faster. Actually the update seems pretty minor compared to previous major version number updates. I have had a few glitches, the auto-rotation has gotten stuck a couple of times which never happened before the update. And in the youtube app it's much harder to scroll forward and backwards in a video, but I'm not sure if this is due to an update in youtube or the iOS.

    216. Re: Alright smart guy by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      That's what I noticed on my own iPad 2. This is something I expect Apple to fix.

    217. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, did that just happen? This off-topic thread was about the difference between "cajones" and "cojones" and you just capped off with a +5 insighful misuse of the very word in question..

      Now that takes some cojones!

    218. Re:Alright smart guy by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      to be fair, he didnt specify which version of linux

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    219. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lost many of my ebooks after upgrading to IOS 7, so I am hesitant to go through that nonsense again.
      Yes, I did a backup. Yes, I tried a restore. My ebook inventory appeared for an instant on the screen and
      then disappeared. The only ebooks easily restorable were those purchased through iTunes. I thought
      the reliablility of their upgrade procedure sucked.

    220. Re:Alright smart guy by chrae · · Score: 1

      Wow, did that just happen? This off-topic thread was about the difference between "cajones" and "cojones" and you just capped off with a +5 insighful misuse of the very word in question...

      Now that takes some cojones!

      Ok, so we now that we know what it takes to admit mistakes, can we move onto the important part of "learning from mistakes".

    221. Re: Alright smart guy by tepples · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's the carriers dragging their feet on long-term support because they want their subscribers to buy a new phone that comes with a new 2-year contract.

    222. Re:Alright smart guy by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      My last phone (Just upgraded) was a Galaxy S3, running the latest Android KitKat 4.4.4. While not supported by Samsung until recently, it was supported by 3rd Party ROM makers, something that Apple doesn't have. And the upgrades along the way made my phone better, smoother, better battery etc.

      And it is amazing, the biggest "Pro Apple" response I have is "Consistency", meaning that Apple never really evolves. Then there is the greatest complaint about iOS8 is that it is "too different" and "Sluggish".

      My newest phone was less than 1/2 the price of the iPhone6s, with better or comparable specs across the board, and has features that Android has had for two years (or more) that iOS is just now getting. Guess what, at that rate, I can have the one of the best Android phones, twice as often compared to if I bought Apple. If you spend $900 on a phone, you best be getting a very long life out of it, you almost have to.

      Comparisons are a two way street. Which is why, when all else is said and done, Apples are equivalent to two year old Androids, and cost twice as much. But they have their walled garden .

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    223. Re: Alright smart guy by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      I actually have the Sprint variant (D700 aka Epic 4G) and I'm running a nightly build of Cyanogenmod 11. I had used it as a backup but now I use it as the remote for my Chromecast. That way I don't need to have my phone or tablet handy when I want to use the Chromecast.
      Speaking of tablets I've also got an original B&N Nook Color running KitKat as well.

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    224. Re:Alright smart guy by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      It would still be a problem because Apple shouldn't allow the upgrade to be installed on a device which can't run it properly.

      ...Then the meme would be "Apple prematurely Orphans Older Models." IOW, Apple can't win with the Fandroids.

      Actually, since Apple is supposed to deliver such a superior user experience, this is a valid criticism, or don't you want people to hold Apple to that higher standard? It really is a myth. I think Apple abuses its most loyal customers worse than Microsoft. And they keep lining up (literally) for more.

      What is a "valid criticism"? That Apple should somehow be able to eke out more performance from an older Microcontroller than it can actually deliver?...I don't think you have a rational argument here; but that never stopped an Apple-Hater yet.

      Wow, your self-delusion is quite a formidable defense. No, the criticism is that Apple should release new versions of its OS that run reasonably on hardware that's still current, even if it's not the latest shiny thing.

      You know, since Apple is so wonderful. They're really not - that was my point.

      But speaking of irrational, go ahead and respond.

    225. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on how much you pay for a phone. For a cheap phone, a short time frame is acceptable. For a $650 phone, I'd expect updates for ten years (like any non-Mac desktop PC).

    226. Re:Alright smart guy by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      Are you really a fucking idiot or do you just play one on slashdot? If you put new features into the OS, obviously it's going to take more clock cycles. How the hell is this abuse?

      The "abuse" is the pattern of forced obsolescence, and the forming of partnerships with other companies, then screwing them, etc. In this case, my point was merely that Apple, since it is lauded by fanboys as a superior company, should be criticized when it fails to deliver, such as releasing an OS with poor performance on current hardware.

      But go ahead and ignore the point, potty mouth. Cursing is a clear sign you admit you have no argument. :-)

    227. Re:Alright smart guy by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What does the mandatory 24-month warranty cover? My iPhone 4 worked just fine from the day I got it to when I replaced it with a 5S. I didn't bother with the last iOS upgrade, and that wasn't a problem that I could notice. There may have been apps that I'd have to upgrade to use, but the apps I had kept working. In other words, my iPhone 4 worked well for about 36 months, which would seem to me to satisfy the warranty. It just didn't necessarily get the enhancements of the newer models.

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    228. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my country, warranties only cover manufacturing defects. Upgrades wouldn't count.

    229. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, iPhone 4S 16GB, upgraded and everything is fine. All of my apps open just as fast as they did before, at least, as far as I can tell. The only thing I do to improve performance is disable the animated background/tilting icon effect. For anyone that is experiencing problems I recommend 2 things: check to see how much free storage you have (Settings > General > About), and fully reboot the phone by holding the Home and Power buttons for 10-15 seconds.

    230. Re:Alright smart guy by plover · · Score: 2

      It's still my device, remember?

      If it was your device, you could install whatever you want on it. No, the device belongs to whoever holds root access to it.

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    231. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just root your android and install whatever you want. No need to rely on Samsung or any other manufacturer for updates.

    232. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your phone has an easily unlockable bootloader and is fairly mainstream, then you likely can get unofficial updates or a CyanogenMOD version which will be supported for quite a while. You also might be able to find other ROMs people have made for the device, some with a more recent version of Android, some not.

      Sure. If you know how to do that, and if you've got the time to do that. That's one of Android's great appeals for us as developers and nerds. But I'm not walking Grandma through that over the phone...

      I can get Apple updates for her phone with the press of a button. No mods. No firmware. No ROMs.

      Apple's "walled garden" absolutely is not for everyone, but it definitely has value for some people.

    233. Re:Alright smart guy by phorm · · Score: 1

      eh? I've still gotten OS updates for Samsung devices after the new models came out (except for the rooted/custom devices).

      If the manufacturer fails to provide the update, Cyanogenmod tends to be a good option afterwards. They're still building nightlies for my old i9100 (Galaxy S2)

    234. Re:Alright smart guy by aurizon · · Score: 2

      So a guy, or gal, with a lot of cojones may well need a cajones to keep all that power in reserve

    235. Re: Alright smart guy by kyjellyfish · · Score: 1

      iPad ver. 3 w/Retina display

    236. Re:Alright smart guy by cavebison · · Score: 1

      > ....then get ready for your next pill.

      Really? I'm still using my Galaxy S2 and *very* happy with it. Rooted, firewall, no ads, plays games, GPS. I can even call people. Why would I want to upgrade? Once my contract was over, I got another contract just to have a backup phone - Galaxy S3. I use it chiefly as a TV / multimedia remote in the lounge room. It doesn't even have a SIM card, that's how content I am with my S2 as a phone.

      Admittedly 4G would be a bit nicer than 3G but I don't surf on the phone so who cares. It does everything I need. Oh and taking photos? WFT do you want to use a phone for taking photos? I have a little Canon S200 that shits all over any phone camera because.. well, it's a camera, that's what it's for.

    237. Re:Alright smart guy by dk20 · · Score: 1

      OS X Mavericks is compatible with most Macs that are capable of running OS X Mountain Lion; as with Mountain Lion, 2 GB of RAM, 8 GB of available storage, and OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) or later are required.

      The full list of compatible models:

      mid-2007 or newer iMac
      aluminum MacBook, 2009 or newer polycarbonate MacBook
      2007 or newer MacBook Pro
      late-2008 or newer MacBook Air
      2009 or newer Mac Mini
      2008 or newer Mac Pro
      2009 Xserve

      So, take a mac pro earlier then 2008 and install mavericks on it. Cant? Sure you can, you just have to "hack" the installer.

      So like i said, arbitrary limits.... The box can run it, just it wont install without modifying the setup program.

    238. Re: Alright smart guy by NulDevice · · Score: 1

      My plain-old 5 seemed a little sluggish for like a day afterwards, but I assume that was because all my auto-udating apps were auto-updating and pulling down a crapton of data. So far I haven't really seen much of a difference, except in a few older esoteric apps I occasionally use that have crashed on me. I'm keeping an eye on that. I was worried for that first day, but it hasn't really made a difference. It's probably slightly slower but I don't notice because I don't type fast enough.

      My iPad Air has been stellar thus far.

      I'm not touching my old iPad 2, unless one of my MIDI controller apps requires the update for something.

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    239. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ios8 is feeling faster in general to me on a 5C, I even turned effects back on... a few things feel a bit slower with effects enabled though, like the task switcher, but no big deal, the features are well worth it, IMHO

    240. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't the case anymore at least with AT&T.

    241. Re:Alright smart guy by doccus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, perhaps, but he may have a point. There's no mention of which iDevice he installed it on. USing an Apple OS on any earliest device ids bound to cause sluggishness, because Apple today is not the Apple of old. Formerly, each iteration of any Apple OS was always faster than the previous one. That all changed around the time OSX 10.6 came out, and iOS became established on iDevices. Now it's a given that each new one is going to be a pig on older hardware. So my advice is upgrade the hardware or live with it.

    242. Re:Alright smart guy by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      the context was obviously in smartphones. don't be a pain.

    243. Re:Alright smart guy by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      what are you even talking about? if you're not on the newer operating system you won't be allowed to update apps that depend on that operating system. so you'll never have the "new software crashing your phone" drama that you describe.

    244. Re:Alright smart guy by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Yes... but 18 months is significantly less than the useful life of the device, especially now that we have picked all the low hanging fruit of smart device innovation and the upgrade cycle is stretching out. I'd like to see a three year commitment to updates for Nexus devices in the future, which would put them at parity with Apple's policies.

    245. Re:Alright smart guy by dk20 · · Score: 1

      OK, i guess then if i paid 5x for a phone, i would expect it to be better supported then the far cheaper phones?

      Most of those "androids which are never updated" are also around $99 with NO contract. Hard to compare a $599 phone with a $99 phone and say one is better supported.

      Apple, meet Orange?

    246. Re:Alright smart guy by Aerokii · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 3G couldn't even reliably run iOS4, I had to downgrade it if I wanted to actually USE it for anything but making phone calls. Even entering text took ages. Considering my (as in my personal phone, not the model as a whole) was only one year old at the time, I was bit miffed. It's actually what ended up driving me away from Apple.

    247. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says that?

    248. Re:Alright smart guy by simonreid · · Score: 1

      And Windows is supported for 10+ years, and people *still* complain when they try to EOL XP!

    249. Re:Alright smart guy by calzones · · Score: 1

      posting to undo moderation. I aimed for funny but mistakenly released on overrated. ugh.

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    250. Re:Alright smart guy by countach · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it got a few years of updates. Apple made the mistake of only giving it 256M of RAM so it couldn't get any more updates. That was a mistake, but having made the mistake I can't blame Apple for not doing the impossible. They've been generous with the iPad 2 though.

    251. Re:Alright smart guy by countach · · Score: 1

      The smartphone market has rapidly gone from 128MB RAM devices to (at least) 1GB devices. It's no wonder that earlier devices suffered a bit under later OSes. But I think this phenomenon has passed. Now new OSes don't really slow down. I don't see anything bad with my iPhone 5 and IOS8.

    252. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steps to happiness:
      1. Get a decent android for a very reasonable price - at most Half of the iPhone's :D
      2. Just flash it with a open source ROM (like CM) which is significantly better than the stock any way. - When the updates stop coming or when you'r sick of stock.
      3. Continue to use your phone with latest android features, without degradation, for years to come.

      In my case (htc one s with the 1,7GHz dual), I actually enjoyed a performance boost - and with the newer androids I got all needed features.
      However HTC ARE fags for quitting support of the device, less than two years before it was released. But who needs their support anyway?

      My work phone is an iphone 4 which I will not, for the love of god, update, for the last update made it barely usable.

    253. Re:Alright smart guy by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      OK, i guess then if i paid 5x for a phone, i would expect it to be better supported then the far cheaper phones?

      Most of those "androids which are never updated" are also around $99 with NO contract. Hard to compare a $599 phone with a $99 phone and say one is better supported.

      Apple, meet Orange?

      Firs, change subjects much? Second, it's clear on its face that iPhone is better supported.I agree with you that you would expect better support with a $600 phone then a $100 phoneif your hundred dollar phone is supported so shortly, you could just buy a new hundred dollar phone every year and end up in the same place as your iPhone.

    254. Re: Alright smart guy by mauna+kea+ranger · · Score: 1

      Nixon's fault. No, wait, who came *before* him? Eisenhower? Or some evil rich Republican like ... uh, Lincoln?

    255. Re:Alright smart guy by metaforest · · Score: 1

      This!

        I still have a 2001 G4 Titanium that sees use. It is still my go-to when I need a ruggedized laptop. That thing has literally been around the world with me, and it still works just fine.

    256. Re: Alright smart guy by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      That's remotely possible, but if so, it means Samsung has no cojones. After all, they haven't strong-armed Apple into dropping support so quickly. Either way, it makes Samsung look bad, just for different reasons.

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    257. Re:Alright smart guy by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      another thing. when they release a new OS, the phone constantly reminds you to update. there's the badge on the settings app, and occasional pop ups. but if you update you can't go back. maybe you can for a bit if you think to use a backup. but if you do it for a couple months then decide you don't like it your backup may be gone. at that point you have to use the OS or reset your phone to its original OS. and once you're back to the original OS, your only option will be to upgrade to the newest OS. you're SOL for an intermediate option.

    258. Re:Alright smart guy by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      At age 92, her computing requirements are fairly simple. I left Office 2008 on it, the latest version that runs on the PPC, and she's just fine with it. MS Office, Mail.app, and the ability to maintain her Wordpress blog and run the writing classes she teaches. Graphics card speed is not an issue in this situation.

    259. Re:Alright smart guy by demonrob · · Score: 1

      but Tony Abbott fixed it all, well at least in Australia.

    260. Re: Alright smart guy by Gr8Apes · · Score: 0

      Please note that the actual retail cost for similar phones from Samsung are in the same price range, when not subsidized. Would you like to try again?

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    261. Re: Alright smart guy by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Funny why carriers aren't doing it to Apple.

    262. Re:Alright smart guy by perih60 · · Score: 1

      we are not all as smart as you , i wish i had your intellegence , and experience , my complaint about 8 is the FACT that every time i try to upgrade something on my LAPTOP running vista is that all i get is microsoft's unbelievable HARDSELL that i should buy 8 , numerous times they send me in circles !! i am sure that if i knew as much as you ! this would not be a problem , cos there is an easy way to avoid this ! there must be , and i am doing something wrong , so is a friend of mine he had to delite the 1 from windows 8.1 cos he was unable to play his games ! so if he knwe as much as you , this would not have been needed , his desktop cost him only AUD 2000 , but then he knows as little as i , he also found out that he is unable to sell a laptop with windows 8 as the os , noone wants it purely cos of 8 , i feel that because you are an expert , it would have been more helpfull if you share some of that knowhow !!! kindest regards peter

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    263. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to add that these "regular updates" often exclude features that could easily be included in older models but aren't. For example, an online only voice assistant based on an app that worked all the way down to the original magically only works on a 4...

      When an Android device gets a specific version, it gets *all* the features and then some. Any Samsung especially - it has many new features that get incorporated or have a version of included in the next Android version. Example: text select handles. I believe 2.2 introduced that, but Samsungs's 2.1had one already.

    264. Re:Alright smart guy by zarthrag · · Score: 1

      I've been tempted by the Lumia phones, I must say. I just haven't *seen* one out in the wild. My current android is a Sony Xperia M, which I *really* like - but isn't without issues. (I think the only thing holding me back is google voice, tbh)

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    265. Re: Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow the whole bunch of you that have responded are a bunch of fucking idiots why don't you go get a real job fucking morons and yes I submitted this anonymously which is only deserving for the bunch of you worthless shits

      >why don't you go get a real job fucking morons
      because of a disability? ... though if you think a real job is fucking morons I think we've come full circle to understand who actually may be disabled here ;-) Though if you can get paid properly for fucking yourself you really have beat the system! Congratulations!!!

    266. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bert means cached a previous SHSH, I believe, like ih8sn0w could do. (As seen here: http://i.imgur.com/pHFHctb.jpg )

    267. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to know where these people get this delusional idea of Apple planned obsolescence. I can't think of a single mobile phone that isn't planned obsolescence. Where is this community of Android hardware hackers that are making 1st generation Droids run fast on today's software? I want in. Most phones get slower with age as their OS versions increase. At least on iOS and Mac OS X, I've enjoy having older hardware receive an OS upgrade which led to an increase in performance.

      Attention Slashdot. All consumer electronics is planned obsolescence.

    268. Re:Alright smart guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This all traces back to Reagan firing the air traffic controllers.

  2. Crashes, redraw errors in safari, freezes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on an iPhone 5. Most of the time is fine, but definitely some issues. The big wins on io8 will be extensions, handoffs, and ApplePay, none of which are ready yet.

    1. Re: Crashes, redraw errors in safari, freezes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried doing a clean install instead of restoring from a backup?

  3. iPad 3 by tsa · · Score: 2, Informative

    On my iPad 3 it works fine.

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    1. Re:iPad 3 by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Glad to hear. I've been holding off on updating to see if there were any serious performance issues. However, I wish someone would release a comprehensive benchmark list for some of the older devices just so I can have a better idea of how much of an impact it will have on performance. Ideally I'd like to think it might improve a little, only if because iOS 7 felt rather rushed and they've likely been able to tune some of the code.

    2. Re:iPad 3 by wwphx · · Score: 2

      I upgraded my iPad Mini Retina on Friday and it was kinda weird. After it was done updating and rebooted, it went into recovery mode. I did a restore from iTunes and it came up as an uninitialized iPad under 8, another restore took care of putting my apps back in place. I was afraid it was bricked and that I'd have to drive to El Paso to get it serviced, fortunately I didn't have to make the trip. The thing that I found very curious was that my iPhone 4S updated seamlessly.

      Performance seems the same. I love the one swipe delete for email and the ability to receive iMessages on both it and my phone at the same time. And I ordered an iPhone 6 yesterday, my 4S is out of warranty and my wife wants it.

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    3. Re:iPad 3 by HnT · · Score: 1

      I notice that iBooks rather frequently hangs when scrolling through the text while reading. I am in night mode and the font is at the smallest possible size, it is AFeastforCrows bought on iTunes, so there is a lot of text visible on the screen and every 4 or 5 pages or so there is a small "hiccup" where it suddenly hangs while slowly scrolling... then continues. That's on my iPad3. It is there on the iPhone5s too but the hang is much shorter, so it's barely noticeable but it is there.

      All of a sudden it has become a lot harder to swipe-up the system controls or swipe-down the notifications overview while reading, too.

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    4. Re:iPad 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMNSHO, the iPad 3 is a fair bit slower and more stuttery with 8. I recommend sticking with 7 for now, and hope that things improve in a few point releases.

    5. Re:iPad 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that the iPad 3 is the slowest device Apple currently supports with iOS 8 (yes, it's slower than the iPad 2, thanks to it's higher resolution screen more than cancelling out the GPU improvement). So if it's fine on an iPad 3, it should be fine everywhere.

    6. Re: iPad 3 by CAIMLAS · · Score: 0

      It astounds me that ios is just now getting features like that.

      Every time I use my girlfriend's not-updated iPhone 5 I feel like I'm on gingerbread.

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    7. Re: iPad 3 by wwphx · · Score: 2

      I don't own an Android device, I tried using it on my Nook HD+ and didn't like it, but I have friends who own Android phones. They like them, good for them. It seems to me that Apple watches Android to see what shakes out as a good improvement and then implements it. For me, I don't like the security problems with Android malware (not that iPhone is impregnable) and there were some usability things that I just didn't like. I switched to an Apple ecosystem in 2008 when I just got sick and tired of updating Windows machines every week or more, I like the ease of use.

      The one thing that I really wish Apple had added in iOS 8 was the ability to turn on the hotspot on the swipe-up screen. To me, that would have been an awesome feature.

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    8. Re:iPad 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've experienced problems like yours in the past. I've always found I get the smoothest upgrades when I do an encrypted backup (to include the password keychain for VPN access, etc.), erase the device, upgrade, and restore the encrypted backup. Even though Apple controls the hardware they don't have complete control of the software - despite sandboxing something in the hundreds of programs and games installed must screw with upgrades somehow.

    9. Re:iPad 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not on mine. I've noticed sluggishness in some apps (particularly noticeable in Facebook). I've also noticed that on iBooks and Dolphin Browser, if I open the app while in landscape and then turn the tablet to portrait, the screen stays in landscape. Kind of annoying. Never happened prior to the ios8 upgrade, and now happens consistently.

    10. Re:iPad 3 by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Trying doing a fresh install instead.

    11. Re: iPad 3 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Don't worry about malware. It's just FUD. Unless you go out of your way to be a complete moron, turning on the ability to install apps from anywhere and then downloading from some dodgy web site that should itself set of alarm bells in your head there isn't anything to worry about. Well, no more so than iOS.

      Interestingly it's usability I find most lacking on iOS. The lack of an app tray, until recently the keyboard, the very basic notification shade etc. Each to his own I suppose.

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    12. Re:iPad 3 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend has an iPad Air bought in January. She says it's slower after the update.

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    13. Re:iPad 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or drop it in a bin and get a proper phone

    14. Re: iPad 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he was talking about an iPad. please keep up and learn to fucking read. nowhere did he say phone. any chance you fags get to bash a device you quickly do without even knowing what was being discussed.

    15. Re: iPad 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe she's slower :). why not list what's slower. saying it's slower means nada.

  4. No... by nathanmarius · · Score: 2, Informative

    I haven't seen that at all on my iPhone 5!or my iPad 3 ("new iPad"). Some things are snappier, even. What device are you using?

  5. I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I love it on my iPhone 4S. I can't use ApplePay so I may upgrade to a six, but honestly, my nearly three year old 4S works great and has great battery life. I haven't noticed really anything negative. In fact, it prompted google to upgrade their bad Google Voice app, so that in and of itself is a plus. FaceTime audio is also pretty great.

    1. Re:I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me too on a 4s and iPad Air.

    2. Re:I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I wonder if you upgraded on your phone or via iTunes? I have about 4 gig free on my 64 gig 4S and it upgraded fine and doesn't bog down too much, seems to be mainly when I'm hitting the home button and it's zooming back to the icon display. I probably don't have more than 100 or so pictures.

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    3. Re:I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 2

      I love it on my iPhone 4S. I can't use ApplePay so I may upgrade to a six, but honestly, my nearly three year old 4S works great and has great battery life. I haven't noticed really anything negative. In fact, it prompted google to upgrade their bad Google Voice app, so that in and of itself is a plus. FaceTime audio is also pretty great.

      Ditto, iPhone 4S, iPad 3 no issues so far and only the usual gripe: This is iOS 8 and they still haven't put a collapsable menu in the little 'add bookmark' wizard in Safari.

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    4. Re:I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by greggman · · Score: 2

      I got rid of my 4S after 3 frustrating months in iOS7. The switch to a 5S was like night and day. I went from random 2-10 second pauses to basically none. I can't imagine iOS8 on a 4S isn't even worse. Maybe you're just more patient or way less sensitive to the slow downs? Or maybe we just had different experiences. I had a 64gig 4S. I upgraded my 5S for iOS8. So far it's okay but I do noticed it jutters more than it did with iOS7

    5. Re:I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by Splab · · Score: 1

      I have that problem with my 2. gen. iPad, iBooks etc. will stall at random places, which is a huge pain.

      The iOS 8 upgrade on my 5s however went smooth and I'm sorta loving it, but bit annoyed by the extra apps being forced down and can't be removed/hidden.

    6. Re:I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess I'd better delete those 1700 pictures of your wife!

    7. Re:I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      In general this story was from an Android fan boy who in general just wanted to make himself look smart by posting a rant about Apple products, in a way that looks like a general question.

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    8. Re:I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by maestroX · · Score: 1

      Wanted to add - if you have 1700+ pictures (like my wife).... your phone will bog down. Make sure you have the space on your phone. iPhones do notoriously get slow when they start running out of space.

      Liked your wife on facebook. Honour me the pics!

  6. Faster proc, slower +x64 OS, more $. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to upgrade to the latest and greatest iphone before your complaints can be rationalized away as post-sale jitters.

  7. I have it on a 4S and it works great for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wanted to add - if you have 1700+ pictures (like my wife).... your phone will bog down. Make sure you have the space on your phone. iPhones do notoriously get slow when they start running out of space.

  8. Smells like a troll! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    An iPhone user talking up Android and pissing on IOS 8. Smells like a troll.

    Regardless, no problems for me on either a 5 or 5S.

    1. Re:Smells like a troll! by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      I am an iPhone user. An involuntary one. My company only equips us with iPhones, and we can't use our own phones, because IT is too stupid to figure out how to secure them.

      I hate my iPhone.

    2. Re:Smells like a troll! by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Pray tell, how do you secure a personal phone? The following scenarios:

      Confidential information on phone. Phone is stolen.
      Malware through side loading.
      Controlling how data can be shared/forwarded.

    3. Re:Smells like a troll! by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      Pray tell, how do you secure a personal phone? The following scenarios:

      Confidential information on phone. Phone is stolen. Malware through side loading. Controlling how data can be shared/forwarded.

      Personal phones can be as secure as company-issued iPhones. I won't educate you, because, you know, GFE.

    4. Re:Smells like a troll! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In my case, I don't want to use my personal phone as a company phone. Much as I like my employer, I like keeping a division between "mine" and "theirs". It seems to me that, if IT here had to secure my phone, it would impede my ability to use it freely.

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    5. Re:Smells like a troll! by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Pray tell, how do you secure a personal phone? The following scenarios:

      Confidential information on phone. Phone is stolen.
      Malware through side loading.
      Controlling how data can be shared/forwarded.

      Personal phones can be as secure as company-issued iPhones. I won't educate you, because, you know, GFE.

      WTF is GFE? Girl Friend Experience? Good Faith Estimate? Government Furnished Equipment?

      Also loved the hand wavy "oh yeah it can be done, but I won't tell you how." I bet most, if not all, your solutions would be full of holes. But of course, since you won't tell us how you plan to do it, it's easy to claim that IT is too stupid to do it.

    6. Re:Smells like a troll! by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      GFE - Google Fucking Exists.

      It's a 20 second search. If you're intelligent enough to press the keys.

      As I said, I'm not going to cure your ignorance.

    7. Re:Smells like a troll! by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Normally, it's lmgtfy.

      But again, I love how you hand wave everything away.

    8. Re:Smells like a troll! by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      And you STILL didn't take the 20 seconds to look it up.

      I'm not going to spoon feed it to you, you big baby.

      I've seen it, I know it exists. You're just too lazy to look at it, yet you have the time to keep nattering away at me. Oh, and given how you represent yourself, I'm not too surprised you know the acronym Girl Friend Experience. What a maroon!

    9. Re:Smells like a troll! by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Since there's no real way to do it, I call your bullshit.

    10. Re:Smells like a troll! by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      this too. personal phone is off limits to company control.

    11. Re:Smells like a troll! by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      You're an asshole, because you STILL didn't do the 20 second Google search.

      What a fucking retard you are, it's really sad.

  9. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been happy with it on my iPad Air... No "new" issues thus far.

  10. 10 to 20 percent slower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    On ipad2 and iphone 4s. Battery drains faster on iPhone so I will have to turn off all location tracking, fancy graphics and background schizzle services... basically turning it into pure "caca" mode. iOS8 epic fail.

    1. Re:10 to 20 percent slower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      > My mother in law still has an iPad 2 and I won't upgrade her.

      I am disturbed that you even considered it. You would consider divorcing your wife just because her mother won't get the latest iPad?

    2. Re:10 to 20 percent slower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep saying that, yet there are plenty of AC comments saying they had no problems or that it seems faster on the new OS. And there are logged in accounts saying it is slower. The upgrade went fine on my wife's 4s which doesn't seem any slower, where as my newer phone does seem slower. Maybe the issue varies from phone to phone, and involves something more than just how they post on Slashdot.

    3. Re: 10 to 20 percent slower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's it like being so dependant on a corporation for your personal identity? Looks pretty fucking sad from here.

    4. Re:10 to 20 percent slower by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You would consider divorcing your wife just because her mother won't get the latest iPad?

      The iPad 2 is compatible with Mother-in-Law version 1.0 or lower. Newer iPads requires Mother-in-Law version 2.0 or higher. Each new version of Mother-in-Law gets more bitchier than the last version. Not upgrading is a wise decision.

    5. Re:10 to 20 percent slower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the reviews I've seen say the battery lasts slightly longer with iOS 8.

    6. Re:10 to 20 percent slower by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, but what about screen size? If it has to push more pixels then it might be a problem.

    7. Re:10 to 20 percent slower by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      (I have no idea if it does or does not. Also the speed of the storage will factor in to it).

    8. Re: 10 to 20 percent slower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      disable most apps background updates... or at least go to battery usage and check which ones you should disable... a friend complained about whatsapp using too much power, but realize such apps don't need that, as they receive push notifications...

  11. No issues here by DaMattster · · Score: 0

    I've been using iOS 8 now since Thursday of last week with no issues whatsoever on an iPhone 5s 32GB model. Of course, I don't have a lot of apps installed - I only keep ones that I absolutely need so maybe I'm not a good case in point. I really like the improved accuracy of Siri and the predictive text input features. I don't care for the recent contacts when using the app switcher so I turned it off. Overall, it's been a pretty good experience ... much better than the transition from iOS 6 to 7.

    1. Re:No issues here by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I don't have any of the problems with sluggishness, but boy is iOS 8 buggy, especially on the iPad! I've had about 8 reboots since Thursday with light usage.

      I really hate a lot of the changes they have made, especially Safari, and it doesn't feel like there is much substance to the new features.

    2. Re:No issues here by fermion · · Score: 2
      I find it to be a bit slow on my 5. It is very slow on my old iPad. This, I think is normal, and it has gotten faster since I upgraded.

      As far as the updates, most applications seem to update when a new iOS comes out. I have not seen an inordinate number of updates. As the Apps have to not only deal with a new OS but also new screen sizes, Apps that are not written to run on many screen sizes will obviously have to be updated.

      My problem is that Apple is reintroducing the cloud disk service, a la iDisk, but it is not going to available on mac until the next MacOS, which is not going to be available for at least a month. Those who upgrade when they upgrade their phone will lose access to data on the Mac. There does seem to be some feature bloat at the expense of efficiency.

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    3. Re:No issues here by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Maybe your flash or memory is failing? My 4s has had no issue with crashes or slowness with iOS 8. Maybe if you did a full device reset and then reinstalled your apps and resynched your content?

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      I read the internet for the articles.
    4. Re:No issues here by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Do a fresh install instead of an upgrade. I had that problem with beta1. It would crash and reboot within 5 minutes at times. I did a wipe, reinstall, problems went away.

  12. Re: Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Works fine on my 5S?

  13. Multiple devices, works great by thoth_amon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been running iOS8 since pre-beta on multiple devices, including phones and iPads. I've had no problem, nothing at all like you describe.

    If you're so inclined, I'd try a fresh install and see if that makes things run better. You can always restore from backup later.

    I assume there was nothing strange about your iOS7 install, like being jailbroken, right?

    1. Re:Multiple devices, works great by aphelion_rock · · Score: 1

      I had excessive delays on my ipad 3 when I upgraded to ios 7, the solution was to perform a reset on the device, ios 8 upgrade was un-noticed.

    2. Re:Multiple devices, works great by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

      If you jailbreak, do a fresh install via iTunes as opposed to OTA.

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    3. Re:Multiple devices, works great by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Pre-beta? What are you, an Apple developer? :)

    4. Re:Multiple devices, works great by Malc · · Score: 1

      If you're so inclined, I'd try a fresh install

      The trouble with this is you lose all your call and messaging history. It's all or nothing with iOS device backups. I recently upgraded from a four year old iPhone 4 to a 5s. I thought a great opportunity to start clean: I installed only the apps I wanted and configured all my accounts, and was even satisfied with my photos from the old phone being an their own album instead of the camera roll. Loss of the message history in particular irritated me so much so quickly that I restored from backup in a few days. There are some apps out there that claim they can do this, but after a few wasted hours faffing around with one, I ended up with a messed up phone.

    5. Re:Multiple devices, works great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no he's just trying to point out how "extra special" he is!

      Much like the rest of the apple renters, thinking that makes them "special".

      If you are so insecure about who you are and what your worth is to the world, that you need to have a particular "Brand item".

      Then I'm sorry for you, you are a fucking idiot!

    6. Re:Multiple devices, works great by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      I too haven't any major issues with iOS8 performance or interaction-wise (iPhone 5 & iPad 3). Yes - seems apps launched the first time after upgrading are taking longer to load (and one App even lost it's security activation key - asking me to reactivate my device with their website). Seems the upgrade is "big" and possibly many deleted their cached data. Performance seems to be fine for second+ launches and I'm slowly discovering the new features hidden around the system.

      Most annoying thing so far - "this app is tracking your location in the background" - seems Apple is going to ask me this question for each of my 100 apps that use location. More annoying - there is no option for "Only when app is Running" - either On or Off... unless the app supports that new mode. I don't want the weather app tracking my every move in the background - I'm willing to wait for them to update my current weather location when I open the app.

      And biggest bug found so far - handsfree integration with my car stereo seems to be broken. Playlists selected won't play (although the car shows the time counting up) - fast forwarding through songs causes samples of audio to play, but silence otherwise, and sometimes loops on the first 1 second (inconsistent repeatability of the problem). Forcing it to fast-forward for about 30 seconds finally made it play. Or picking a playlist from the iPhone works fine (which requires hands-on).

      Smallest bug - Unlock screen was overlaid on top of "now-playing" Album art making it impossible to see the PIN keys. After unlocking it I haven't seen this happen since (took a screen shot to prove it happened).

      For a major OS upgrade - it seems to be working fine. Battery life seems to be the same, all apps are working, and nothing crashing.

  14. Not only a pig, sometimes an illed pig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For me the keyboard can be helpful, but other than that I don't see much benefit.

    I first want to delete the tips app and the health app. But failed.

    The YouTube search sometimes has the keyboard coming out in a wrong direction. Using chrome to browse /. you will notice the comment will disappear after the first 2 sec. Using safari is okay though. The list of item in one of my app does not have any content anymore.

    If I could, I want to rollback to prev version

  15. Re: Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android phone makers avoid this issue by EOLing phones 8 months after they're relesed.

  16. 10 to 20 percent slower by theelusivemind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't have an iPad 2 but I do have an iPhone 4S and I've not noticed the battery draining faster. I haven't really noticed any performance degration either and I haven't turned anything off. I'm having a good experience, so I'm not sure what the issue could be. The iPad 2 didn't really match the spec of a 4S though. I'm surprised you can use iOS 8 on an iPad 2 even though the 4S and it are only 6 months apart. The iPad 2 has an inferior processor, that may be the difference. My mother in law still has an iPad 2 and I won't upgrade her.

  17. Tastes great by camg188 · · Score: 1

    Less filling.

  18. A little stuttery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I put it on my iPhone 4S and my experience is that it does stutter - applications starting up don't seem to scroll as smoothly as before. The home button seems to take longer to respond too.

  19. works fine so far by vampirbg · · Score: 1

    Tested it on iPhone 5 and iPad3 and it works great. I liked the call handover feature that forwarded my call from iPhone to iPad. Didn't even have to configure anything. :)

  20. No issues here by calmdude · · Score: 2

    I upgraded a few days ago and I haven't noticed any sluggishness issues. I have an iPhone 5. I also have an iPad Retina that I haven't bothered to upgrade, but I'm hoping it'll work as well as the iPhone.

  21. on 4s a bit slow by ellbee · · Score: 1

    Put it on a 4s and found it a bit slow. Also, when using waze for car navigation it seems to go into screen lock even when that's disabled in waze's settings. Planned obsolescence to encourage upgrades?

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    1. Re:on 4s a bit slow by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      Your problem is using Waze. Maps should be all you ever need, and now that Google owns Waze you should expect a more and more hostile environment for the app.

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  22. not really a slow down but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have an iPhone 5s. I have noticed a slight slow down in some apps. But that's not my overwhelming gripe.

    Family sharing just flat out doesn't work. Youtube webpage, has its hiccups. Typing is no easier. Additional keyboards for Germany, switches Z and Y, which is basically useless. Duckduckgo, has such outdated web results that it's also pretty much useless. Apps in general have their hiccups but that happens with every iOS release. Safari crashes more. iCloud still sucks an have never and will never use it.

    Really family sharing is the only potentially "cool new thing"

    Everything else is just.... ketchup..

    1. Re:not really a slow down but. by Bake · · Score: 1

      ...Additional keyboards for Germany, switches Z and Y, which is basically useless.

      So, like normal German layout then? You can go to the keyboard settings for the German keyboard and select QWERTY and AZERTY if QWERTZ is too hard for you to grok.

  23. it's a you problem by mveloso · · Score: 3, Informative

    Installed across my devices, it seems fine.

    iPad 2, 4, air, iPhone 6, 5.

  24. Religion or politics? by celeb8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow I love how the OP gets called a troll just for asking if Apple's version of iOS is bloaty and mentioning that he's used Android. Then I look at the comments and everybody who agrees that its slow on older hardware is scored low, and everybody who posts that its just fine are scored up. OP this is your fault for blaspheming.

    1. Re:Religion or politics? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      This probably isn't the best place to ask about potential issues with a new OS version.

      I would have started with an iOS user forum, preferably something official, rather than asking a bunch of tech people who may not have iOS experience at all.

      And, the whole thing reads like "I want my Android back, am I the only one who thinks this sucks?"

      It was certainly written trollishly, and probably did not belong here without a cursory review of Apple-specific user forums. I vote unintentional troll.

  25. Wifi issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't had the issues described here, but iOS 8 definitely crippled my wifi across several devices, including an iPhone 6+. I'm not alone: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1781815

    1. Re:Wifi issues by ruir · · Score: 1

      Been using iOS 8 for a month in my iPhone 5S, never had any problems. Now, had some wifi problems in the past, in several versions, but neither with yosemite or iOS 8, either at home or at work. I am here the technical responsible for the wifi EDUROAM project in my faculty. There are some things that people have to be aware with wifi, and with iOS. Firstly, I barely managed to work in 2.4GHz in my building, too much noise, and working with 5GHz is a charm. Secondly, there is the issue of the order of wifi searchs. First come wifis in profiles, then hidden wifis in other networks, then wifis with passwords, lastly open SSIDs. This is all compounded that learned wifis cannot be erased except for a reset in the network configurations, which wipe all of the configurations and passwords. So, wipe the configurations once in a while, otherwise the search cycles between all those SSIDs/networks. If you have a profile from your cable operator, like FON (like I had) erase it, because it brings a lot of networks to the search, and it is not strictly necessary to use FON. Lastly, as hidden wifis are search first before the others, I have had less problems because mine at home is hidden. Good luck.

  26. In conclusions, the iphone6 sucks! by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Informative

    The lack of any mention of the device he is running it on strongly makes me suspect it is one with a A5 processor. Apple supports even very old devices because it helps the developers a lot having to debug for only a single version of the os, by contrast android development and the short support cycle is a complete nightmare as one has to support accross major and even minor releases. Android app reviews are filled with "It crashes at startup" comments, this is typically not the case for apple users the tradeoff being that their devices might slow down with each new release.

    1. Re:In conclusions, the iphone6 sucks! by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a developer it's been a problem developing for Android. It's one of the reasons why at work we charge more to develop android versions of apps usually as we'll only QA test against Nexus devices. If our clients want QA on any additional handsets basically increase the development costs by 50% per device. Usually if clients add any other devices it's will be Samsung, but we charge QA per model on Android devices. So Galaxy S4, S5, Note could double the price we charge for an Android app vs. iOS.

      Personally I no longer develop apps for Android. I used to, but Android apps were less than 25% of my revenue and accounted for about 90% of my support requests. In particular "App crashes on startup" and on a handset I've never heard of before. Especially problematic seemed to be the number of prepaid android devices. Their OS's never seem to be kept current or running some tweaks that may cause compatibility issues for whatever reasons.

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      "The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
    2. Re:In conclusions, the iphone6 sucks! by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      I assume that by "prepaid android devices" you mean low end devices. It is quite true, many of these devices never receive a single update and are often released with old versions of android. Google seems to want to do something about it with the Moto G and now the Android One. The Moto G not only demonstrated what a low end devices could be but it has the potential to define what it should be. Lets hope Lenovo has the foresight to let Motorola continue its development.

    3. Re:In conclusions, the iphone6 sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your Android code is rubish if it crashes on app start... But then... I'm just an AC...

    4. Re:In conclusions, the iphone6 sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I no longer develop apps for Android. I used to, but Android apps were less than 25% of my revenue and accounted for about 90% of my support requests. In particular "App crashes on startup" and on a handset I've never heard of before. Especially problematic seemed to be the number of prepaid android devices. Their OS's never seem to be kept current or running some tweaks that may cause compatibility issues for whatever reasons.

      So in other words: you were too lazy to restrict download of your app to devices you actually tested it on? Must be Google's fault then.

    5. Re:In conclusions, the iphone6 sucks! by jareth-0205 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Frankly, as an Android developer since the 1.6 days, I find your numbers highly suspect. I have worked in several small teams with equal Android and iOS resources, and on every one the Android team has a much lower crash rate, no significant difference in bug rates, and has the same development times as iOS. There is absolutely no way it's as expensive as you're quoting to add devices.

      Maybe I'm just an amazing developer, but I doubt it. Stick to the documentation and understand the system you're programming for, and you don't have to tweak for every device that exists. It's a pretty consistent platform in my experience.

    6. Re:In conclusions, the iphone6 sucks! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I think I know what the problem is. I've seen iOS developers who want to develop exactly the same way on android, and they always fail. They are used to targeting specific resolutions and fixed hardware, unlike say Windows or Mac developers who know how to do portable, flexible apps.

      At work I had problems with this on the past. We had to switch to a different developer who had no trouble, even though we were using Bluetooth extensively.

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    7. Re:In conclusions, the iphone6 sucks! by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It's especially weird because as much as (non developer) 'analysts' go on about 'fragmentation', every other platform in computing history has had the same problem to deal with, and the world managed with them alright. iPhone, for its initial period, was the only client platform ever where you could assume hardware, software and screensize were all the same.

      Hearing the wails from the iOS side of the desk about their new challenges this last week I would say that's at an end now though.

  27. iOS 8 compatible apps not related by maccodemonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The iOS 8 app upgrades are pretty much for things like being able to target new/any screen sizes. If you're on an existing device, that doesn't mean much. I don't think there is anything in the new SDK that would imply a performance decline in apps that adopt it.

    The X.0.0 upgrades are pretty well known for including slower/unoptimized drivers and code paths. Apple is usually in a hurry to get the release out the door and they don't do all the optimizations they should. Usually by X.0.1 or X.1 they get things cleaned up. So it doesn't surprise me that 8.0 is a little pokey. 7.0 had basically the same issues.

    1. Re:iOS 8 compatible apps not related by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      The X.0.0 upgrades are pretty well known for including slower/unoptimized drivers and code paths. Apple is usually in a hurry to get the release out the door and they don't do all the optimizations they should.

      I remember ArsTechnica's review of iOS 8 confirmed that it's slower and has worse battery life than iOS 7 on every device that runs both except for some version of the iPod, weirdly enough. In some cases it was very slight, but iOS 8 was always worse.

      They also warned people not to install iOS 8 on the iPhone 4S not only due to performance concerns but because the UI doesn't really fit on the screen. (Or something along those lines.)

      So, sure, iOS 8 is a "pig," for certain definitions of "pig," and anyone who reads Slashdot (which posted the ArsTechnica article) should have been aware of that before upgrading.

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    2. Re:iOS 8 compatible apps not related by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iOS 8 app upgrades are pretty much for things like being able to target new/any screen sizes. If you're on an existing device, that doesn't mean much. I don't think there is anything in the new SDK that would imply a performance decline in apps that adopt it.

      The X.0.0 upgrades are pretty well known for including slower/unoptimized drivers and code paths. Apple is usually in a hurry to get the release out the door and they don't do all the optimizations they should. Usually by X.0.1 or X.1 they get things cleaned up. So it doesn't surprise me that 8.0 is a little pokey. 7.0 had basically the same issues.

      And 8.0.1 will be released on Oct 15. Posting as AC because I am not sure if this is supposed to be public knowledge or not.

  28. Ditto by ZincFinger · · Score: 1, Informative

    3 iPads, one of the two iPad 2s bricked on u/g, had to recover it via iTunes. The iPad air (Wifi, 128 Gb) has turned indeed into a pig. Performance is so poor, I couldn't even Skype with my parents this morning, Has Apple turned into MSoft ?

    1. Re:Ditto by mbadolato · · Score: 1

      My iPad 3 also horked upon install and had to be recovered via iTunes. However it did everything automatically, just took a little longer than a normal upgrade. When it booted back up, iOS 8 was installed and everything was fine. I haven't noticed any problems or sluggishness with it.

  29. Fine on iPhone 5 and iPad Air by berj · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've got it on an iPhone 5 and an iPad Air and both work very smoothly. Haven't had any OS crashes or glitches (a couple apps are a bit more crashy but I hope an update from them will fix that) and speed and battery life don't seem to have had any reduction.

    So far the things that make iOS 8 really attractive (handoff, continuity, new document picker) are waiting for either Yosemite or updated apps so I wait patiently but am satisfied with the upgrade as far as it goes

    1. Re:Fine on iPhone 5 and iPad Air by Splab · · Score: 1

      That was one thing that sorta pissed me off with the iOS 8 update. If you agree to the new iCloud system, you are locked out of shared data until Yosemite is released; when you got some non backwards compatible features, you better make damned sure your brethren can get all their shinys at once.

    2. Re:Fine on iPhone 5 and iPad Air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to do a master reset on my 4s and 5 (one personal, one work) and reset them up to bring performance back up to something useable. they were locking up, and acting "strange" (delays switching apps, booting up). the wipe/reset seems to have cured that problem mostly, although I do notice that they are bit sluggish, but it could be the apps as well.

  30. Magazine subscrions by byHeart · · Score: 2

    My complaint about iOS 8 is that it appears to have broken some (but not all) magazine subscription apps. Numerous people has posted to the Apple Support Community that the Scientific American app crashes. Reinstalling the app does no good -- it simply doesn't work. It will be interesting to see how quickly this issue is addressed.

    1. Re:Magazine subscrions by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      Someone should invent a general purpose app that could read internet served magazines in a universal markup language format. We could call it a Web Peruser.

  31. Wow! Cynical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all, is that what iOS 8 is? A few gimmicky features and a pathetic attempt to achieve parity with Android?

    iOS 8 is working fine on my iPad mini retina. The only bug I've experienced was in 1Password that crashed on me. It's been since updated.

    New features I appreciate: text size in Safari's Reader is adjustable. Lots of similar tweaks that make using the OS more pleasant. App extensions are off to a good start. 1Password's integration with Safari is very helpful

    Ex2bot

  32. upgrades baby by saleenS281 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is standard practice for Apple. While they will continue to support your phone, they have this habit of making the new major OS rev run slowly right about the time your phone is 2 years old. I struggle to believe it's a coincidence as it has happened with literally every revision they've released.

    1. Re:upgrades baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My iPhone 5 is coming up on two years old, and I'm not seeing any issues with iOS 8.

      I'm keeping my first-gen Mini on iOS 7 for now because I want to keep the jailbreak - I need a location faker to watch my local team on the MLB AtBat app. But once this season is over I plan on upgrading it as well.

      In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if some people see issues with the .0 release. It seems to be the state of software development anymore - no matter the platform. It'll get much better once 8.1 rolls around.

  33. Re: Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you insane or just bad with money?

  34. Yes by Tridus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I put it on my iPad 3 and it's noticeably slower. The big thing I'm seeing now that I never saw before is typing lag. That is annoying. I've also seen extra delay in some cases with the screen realizing it needs to rotate, and a bug in one specific app with keys on the keyboard disappearing entirely. On the performance end it's not that impressive in any way.

    That said, having extensions in Safari has been nice, keyboard swapping is handy, and the family sharing feature is really great. So I'm not going to be rushing to roll it back, but I really don't understand how simple things like typing could get so much slower on the same hardware.

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    1. Re:Yes by ElephanTS · · Score: 1

      but I really don't understand how simple things like typing could get so much slower on the same hardware.

      That keystroke has got to bounce to the NSA and back again buddy. That takes time.

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  35. Are you sure by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

    it's not Verizon slowing down your phone because your contract has expired?

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  36. Multitasking by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 0

    Tangentially related, but does IOS have real multitasking yet? Wikipedia says no, but I don't know if that reflects IOS 8.

    1. Re:Multitasking by Karlt1 · · Score: 2

      It's had "real multitasking" since 2007. It's had third party app multitasking since 2010.

  37. Re: Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI: I'm running the absolute latest Android release 4.4.4 on my two year old Nexus 4, running all of the latest Google apps. The pure Android experience with no carrier BS, extended software support, great value and access to latest upgrades is what makes the Nexus line amazing.

  38. Re:Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone 6 by DogDude · · Score: 1

    You can't seriously expect a new OS to run well on a one year old iPhone 5S?

    That's funny, because I certainly do. But then again, I use Windows so I guess my expectations are a bit higher, in terms of longevity...

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  39. Is water wet? by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 1

    Yes, I'm aware the pedantically technical answer is "no," so save it, nerds.

  40. Install dot-oh and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...you will get all the minor glitches and speed delays introduced due to the support of the new A8. It happened on my iPhone 4 with the introduction of iOS 7 too. At 7.3 or so, it became markedly more responsive.
    Also, what really helps, is to reduce the animations (zoom in/out when starting apps).

  41. you're supposed to refresh every two years by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Funny

    So you can't afford the Apple lifestyle, get a better job you fucking hippie.

    1. Re:you're supposed to refresh every two years by tepples · · Score: 1

      get a better job

      Is your company hiring?

    2. Re:you're supposed to refresh every two years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i've been wondering if it's possible for someone like apple, ms or whoever, to move to a 'versionless system' updating style eventually - no 'lines in the sand' for hardware updates (in general or at least a lot longer in longevity). osx's 10.9 being a big freebie back-grade for many of the userbase... we need to reach that plateau for all this dedicated apple hardware, at least. nice that the intel side reached that much of it.

    3. Re:you're supposed to refresh every two years by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      but Yosemite update will be free too

  42. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is OS 8 a Pig?

    No, moron, it's an operating system.

  43. Battery Life Is Worse by brwski · · Score: 1

    5S: performance is just as good if not better (Safari really is better) â" I'm happy about that. Battery life, however, is much worse than under 7. I could go 2 days under 7 without recharging, so long as I used it for light browsing, texting, and a few calls. The same usage under 8 means I have to recharge at least once a day, and that is with pretty much everything turned off in the background. I'm not so happy about that.

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    "Because without beer, things do not seem to go as well''

    1. Re:Battery Life Is Worse by Keyboard+Rage · · Score: 0

      ...no more than 2 days without charging is considered acceptable? WTF? Thanks for just providing me with another argument I don't need a smartphone (besides privacy issues, shit update policies, the amount of malware, the fragility of the things, their price, the fact that I don't need at least 90% of what they can do...). My Nokia 2610 can easily go 2 weeks without recharging, so long as I use it as an alarm clock, for texting and a few calls. And then I was worried because it used to take longer before needing to be recharged, and now the battery is kinda old (8 years or so...). No more than 2 days without recharging, unbelievable...

    2. Re:Battery Life Is Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn off internet (wlan/3g) and the battery life improves a lot.
      My old Galaxy S1 can last 10 days on a single charge (mostly on 2G standby, with a 4 year old battery).

    3. Re:Battery Life Is Worse by MikeJones8766 · · Score: 1

      Have you turned it off an on again since updating? That fixed all the battery problems for me.

    4. Re:Battery Life Is Worse by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      ...no more than 2 days without charging is considered acceptable? WTF? Thanks for just providing me with another argument I don't need a smartphone (besides privacy issues, shit update policies, the amount of malware, the fragility of the things, their price, the fact that I don't need at least 90% of what they can do...). My Nokia 2610 can easily go 2 weeks without recharging, so long as I use it as an alarm clock, for texting and a few calls. And then I was worried because it used to take longer before needing to be recharged, and now the battery is kinda old (8 years or so...). No more than 2 days without recharging, unbelievable...

      No more than 1 day of active use without charging is considered acceptable. Very very few smartphone models last 2. These are very very different devices from what you would call a "phone". For many users, the ability to make/receive calls and SMS is utterly secondary to all other features.

    5. Re:Battery Life Is Worse by number17 · · Score: 2

      Still not hipster enough. I don't need 90% of what your fancy Nokia 2610 can do. I have a watch that doesn't need to be charged and can be used as an alarm clock! If I need to make fancy phone calls I can use my landline.

  44. iPhone 5s and iPad mini by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FWIW, iOS8 is quite sluggish on the iPad mini but I would expect that, given the capabilities of the device. On the other hand, many iPhone 5S users say the upgrade causes little or no performance problems, but it's sluggish on my iPhone 5S. I'm considering wiping my phone and starting over.

  45. Re: Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone by binary+paladin · · Score: 1

    Too bad the Nexus line is no more.

  46. It's about focus by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 3, Informative

    Prior to releasing an iOS, the focus on development is implementing the shiny new features.
    Post release, the focus on development is to fix bugs and make the iOS work faster.

    In each of the past few versions of iOS released you saw within a month a 0.01 version increment that got rid of bugs and made things noticeably faster.

    You therefore have the choice of jumping on the band wagon, or waiting until the incremental release.

  47. please be specific by swell · · Score: 1

    It's been 4 days since the exhaustive Ars review of iOS 8 was discussed here
      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/09/17/1553225/ios-8-review/
    Have you compared your experience with theirs?
    Did you notice the methodical way in which they examined each aspect of performance?

    As already stated, your specific device should be mentioned, as well as the conditions under which you are experiencing problems. If a particular app or group of apps are giving you problems, they should be specified. You seem to be pro-Apple, so don't just let this vague complaint hang there.

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  48. No by tero · · Score: 1

    iOS 8 is not a pig. It's not a living thing at all it's a mobile operating system. And. If it was living, I doubt it would live at the farm.

    Having said that, I have not have any issues on any of my upgraded devices (4 iPads in the family, 2 iPhone 5s) and the devices have not expressed any need to roll in the mud either.

  49. A little buggy for sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The speed is fine on my iPad Air, but some of the Android-like features I was looking forward to are definitely a little buggy. Alternate keyboards randomly slip back to the stock keyboard, for instance -- usually when I haven't used the keyboard for an hour or so, but sometimes right in the middle of actually using it too (and I don't mean when entering passwords, I get that it's supposed to happen then). And while it seems that you can reorder the new sharing options, the reordering never sticks. Any extra sharing options you've added always move back to the end of the list after a bit.

  50. Depends on which model by Xydr · · Score: 1

    My iPhone 5c is noticably slower after going to iOS 8, however my 5s seems to be quicker than it was before the update. iPad 3 - not much of a difference.

  51. It totally depends on where got Android phone from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Popular vendors, ATT, Verizon, Walmart.. Samsung Motorola.. all lock their phones down update wise by accident if no other reason.. get it direct from Google or Canada and it works just fine updating all on its own.

    Or you can get a crowbar and do it yourself.. I just buy Canadian phones that work on ATT network, or go Google.. but Canada has that ole DNA defect.. they play nice and help the customer.. make it a legal responsibility of the seller.. unbelievable

  52. Re:When by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does your mommy know you're using the computer past your bedtime?

  53. The problem is the Windows 98 SP2 effect. by tlambert · · Score: 2

    Apple devices "degrade" with OS updates in the same way that Windows updates do on PCs, gradually. But even after an Apple starts no being upgradeable to the latest OS release, it stays useful for years to come. My mother is still using my hand-me-down 2002 desk-lamp iMac, which has the old PowerPC processor.

    The problem is the Windows 98 SP2 effect.

    The last service pack supporting Windows 98 turned it from a usable system into utter buggy crashing heap of crap, at coincidentally the same time they started trying to sell you Windows XP.

    Note that generally I don't think this is an intention destruction of usability on the part of Microsoft (or Apple), I just think that all their testing takes place on newer hardware, better than what the user is actually using, and so the usability test engineers just never see how terrible it's going to be on (nominally) supported older devices.

    1. Re:The problem is the Windows 98 SP2 effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > The last service pack supporting Windows 98 turned it from a usable system into a slightly less buggy useless heap of crap

      Fixed That For You.

    2. Re:The problem is the Windows 98 SP2 effect. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Apple is the opposite. The last subversion (i.e. the highest possible Y in OS X 10.X.Y or iOS X.Y ) is always rather nice.

    3. Re:The problem is the Windows 98 SP2 effect. by DaCo · · Score: 1

      There was no 98 SP2. In fact, there was no such thing as service packs for Windows 98. If you're referring to Windows 98 SE, then I can assure you it's not an 'utter buggy crashing heap of crap'. I still have to support one industrial system running it and it works fine; as it has for nearly 15 years.

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    4. Re:The problem is the Windows 98 SP2 effect. by Unequivocal · · Score: 1

      IIRC Win 98 was an unworkable mess from the start.

  54. Betteridge's law in effect by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    No.

    My iPad 3 not only seems faster in most cases, the battery life is better. I got 11 hours of active use on 50% of the battery the other day. Even now, I'm looking at 98% battery after an hour of useâ"that used to be 6-10%.

    But my iPhone 4 (which didn't get the update, obviously) was sluggish and was draining the battery much faster than usual for a week or two. I did a reboot and that fixed it. I know you just installed iOS 8 and have therefore rebooted recently, but I've had some problems with some applications not working properly after being restored or updated until the phone was rebooted. (Overcast, on my iPhone 6.)

  55. Don't feed the trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trolling is all this is. Look at the first page of the submitter's comment history, he calls buying an iPhone 6 an "iCon" just this week.

    With no specific examples of apps, or models of hardware, and plenty of other things that could be taken as tone in this submission I say . . . really slashdot? I know it's Sunday, but come on.

    I don't get the phone fanboyism. This isn't something important, like a text editor.

    1. Re:Don't feed the trolls by smash · · Score: 1

      /. story submission approval has a clear anti-apple bias, this is just yet another example of it. click-bait for ad impressions, that's all.

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  56. Apple is walking now behind Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft long deth started when they started mimicking other products.
    Seems current iOS team lost faith that they are able to develop something original and they started "borrowing" ideas from Android (which is crap).
    iPhone stopped to be MadeForMe(tm). Now it is MadeForEveryone(tm).
    I don't want product on which I must send few hours to tweak settings MadeForEveryone(tm) to change everything to MadeForMe(tm) :(
    Beauty of original iPhone 2 was for me that I've never changed anything except wallpaper picture.
    What is the sense buying now Apple products if they are more and more similar to other products?

  57. iOS8 nearly bricks old iPhone and iPads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iOS 8 is OK on my iPhone 5 (with only minor useability improvements), and renders my iPad2 and iPhone 4S nearly useless (it sometimes takes multiple seconds to even display the lock screen, or start apps, sometimes it us even difiicult to swipe the lock screen away, battery usage is up, apps crash or hang a lot). Never seen an update to a premium product with such a low quality

  58. 10 to 20 percent slower by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The iPad2 has an A5 1GHz vs the iPhone 4S having an A5 at 800MHz. They both have 512MB of RAM. So no, the iPad2 isn't inferior to the iPhone 4S, it is actually faster.

    References:
      http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...
      http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...

  59. Willfullly blind? by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Fandroid talk starts in his first sentence:

    gimmicks and add-ons that attempt to achieve parity with Android

    You could of course say the same thing about every Android device evah while pointing at the very first iPhone, save the screen size of the Galaxy.

    Zombie Jobs isn't holding a gun to your heads. Just try buying what you want, that does what you want, without pretending that your personal product preferences came carved on tables sent down by God.

    1. Re:Willfullly blind? by celeb8 · · Score: 1

      "The Fandroid talk" Gotcha. I guess it's a good thing there's good honest neutral folk like yourself out there to stand up for your favorite brand. Please keep those dirty trolls who don't like your favorite brand honest.

    2. Re:Willfullly blind? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Willfully obtuse. Gotcha. Unless you're going to sit there and pretend that that someone claiming the latest Galaxy was full of "gimmicks and add-ons that attempt to achieve parity with iPhone" was "good honest neutral folk" and not an Apple Fanboy?

      Didn't think so.

    3. Re:Willfullly blind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, except for the hundreds of features on Android phones that have never been on the original iPhone.

    4. Re:Willfullly blind? by chrae · · Score: 1

      Unwillfully obtuse? Condenscendingly dismissing a point as "fandroid talk" just makes you an equal, yet opposite, troll.

    5. Re:Willfullly blind? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Willfully stupid? The equal and opposite response would be blatantly trolling Android users. Pointing out that the Emperor does not have clothes does not mean one has an opposing sort of delusion.....Tone Troll.

  60. Faster than iOS 7 on a 5s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My opinion is that iOS 8 is faster than iOS 7 on my iPhone 5s. Apps load faster, response time better, etc. Only issue has been some stuck app downloads that resolved themselves after waiting.

  61. IPad mini and iPhone 5 since the GM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both run great, batteries seem fine, no wifi issues. I do miss my bejeweled time while taking a "library" break but I'm sure that will be fixed.

  62. Limits of included browser by tepples · · Score: 0

    Apple includes such an app with iOS and calls it Safari. But Safari has what appear to be deliberate limits in the subset of HTML, CSS, and JavaScript APIs that are supported. Apple refuses to support WebGL in web pages, and last time I checked, it was impossible to upload any data type other than photos or videos to a web form.

    1. Re:Limits of included browser by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      how about those other perusers on iphone (firefox, chrome, etc.)?

    2. Re:Limits of included browser by tepples · · Score: 1

      All web browsers in the App Store are either A. wrappers for the same WebKit engine used by Safari with the same limits as Safari, or B. "remote desktop" apps that connect to a browser running on someone else's server such as Opera Mini. Otherwise, according to the App Store Review Guidelines, they can't run JavaScript at all.

      "Overrated"? I must have hit an iOS fan's nerve.

    3. Re:Limits of included browser by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      all I really know is I have to carry an iphone every few weeks as part of NOC oncall rotation. It's a heavy brick compared to my nice slim android motorola Defy X-something. All the apps I need and use are free on Android. My employer also provides a nice quad core Macbook Pro, but I have no desire or reason to sync any information or otherwise integrate my phone with it

  63. Not to put too fine a point on it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oink. Oink.

  64. Is it a pig? Alas, it is not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only it were a pig! Then I could slaughter it for delicious ham and bacon.

    Alas, it's no such thing, so we must be content to see how slowly it runs on some device.

    Were that it were a pig that we should have bacon!

  65. I've got it on a 4s - no ongoing issues. by jpellino · · Score: 1

    Everything runs as before, with some new things that work better. Just upgrade cabled if you can - OTA needs too much space.

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  66. New OS should always be faster, less glimmer by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    Problem is Apple is putting too much emphasis on glimmer and glitz. They need to focus on functionality, speed and legacy compatibility. A new OS should always be faster, less buggy, more stable, etc. It should also run smoothly and easily on the older hardware, gracefully falling back on functions the hardware won't support. Doing old things should always be the same or better, never worse.

    Fail.

  67. Re:Yellow Journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now waiting to be Down-Modded mostly due to my UserName in 3.....2......1

    Considering you've made numerous posts just to comment solely on other people's user name, or lack thereof: live by the sword, die by the sword.

  68. A few issues on my iPad mini by Kris_J · · Score: 2

    My favourite remote control app crashes on connect, the keyboard support doesn't feel ready for prime time, particularly in the mail app where alternate keyboard mostly don't show up and running my iPad as a noise generator overnight it appears to charge only about half as much as it used to.

  69. No issues on an iPhone 6 (128GB) by jwthompson2 · · Score: 1

    After a couple days of near constant use I've not noticed any problems with iOS 8 on an iPhone 6 (128GB). I did use iOS 8 on an iPhone 5S (64GB) for a day and change and it seemed fine. I do believe my iPhone 6 has been using power a bit faster than I'd expected, but its battery life if well beyond the 5S under my use cases.

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  70. I'm sure they'll iron out the issues for 8.0.1 by Cloud+K · · Score: 2

    Especially if people complain loudly enough, they might even name the build after them
    "Disgruntled Edition"

  71. iOS7 was worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually except for a few broken apps (developers who failed to bother trying them on iOS betas and having an updated app ready when iOS8 was released) I can't say I notice any slowdown on my 5S or iPad Min retina. ow last year when iOS7 came out it rendered the older iPad I had at the time unusable forcing me to get a newer one (my current Mini). So I'd say iOS7 was a much tougher upgrade.

  72. Can't be by StripedCow · · Score: 1

    You're holding it wrong.

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  73. Is IOS8 a pig? by INT_QRK · · Score: 2

    Not that I can tell after only 2 days. Are you a troll?

    1. Re:Is IOS8 a pig? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't make bacon from an iOS8 device, so no, iOS8 is nowhere near as useful as a pig.

  74. podcast app by paul_nz · · Score: 1

    Hi - did you find a better podcast app (finally today I'm searching for something better with decent controls that doesn't crash with data turned on)

    1. Re: podcast app by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Sadly, no. I've downloaded several podcast apps and even bought a couple, to no avail. I live in an area where once I'm 5 miles from home I have no signal, thus I have zero interest in streaming. So I'm dusting off my programming skills and intend to write my own with no support for streaming. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

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  75. What happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...when you drag a folder over another folder?

    Does it do the right thing as in "Sure you can have subfolder!", or does it continue to do the previous thing: "You're too stupid to have subfolders, stop that right now, idiot user scum!"

    Just wondering if it's worth my time to install IOS8. Because really, subfolders are the most important thing I've been looking for.

    1. Re: What happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Apple do ever implement sub folders you can be sure they'll give it some slick name to make it sound like some crazy new innovation that they came up with. Perhaps an acronym like Apple Nested User Subfolders.

    2. Re: What happens... by Lynchenstein · · Score: 1

      Now nested folders can keep users' heads company ;-)

    3. Re: What happens... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      A.N.U.S ... It works so well too

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  76. iPhone 5S and iPad 2: No and Yes by PatSand · · Score: 1

    My iPhone 5s (64 GB) works just fine with iOS8 and so I decided to upgrade my iPad 2 (64 GB WiFi+ATT 3G). This has been problematic. The problems I have encountered are: 1. Install took very long and required some reboots 2. I lose the 3G stuff and have to do a hard boot to get it back for a while (found this online) 3. Some apps just start up and hang 4. Response is very slow...trying to start it up when it's been idle for a while takes about 15-30 seconds to respond... So it is fine on the phone but lousy on the iPad...

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  77. F**k apple if.. by issicus · · Score: 1

    they can't even make their OS run right on hardware designed by them.

  78. On which device? by iamacat · · Score: 1

    It's easy to laugh at Android for limited upgrades. But the truth is, you wouldn't like most of the upgrades if they were available. iOS8 is probably perfectly fine on iPhone 6/6+. On others devices, you should only upgrade when you need the new features. Performance is likely to go strictly downward.

  79. And I will keep preaching by koan · · Score: 1

    Apple is crap...

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  80. Lags in LinkedIn, Facebook, Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've upgraded both an iPhone 4S (32Gb) and iPad Air (32Gb) to iOS 8.

    The 4S was actually a pleasant surprise, given the negativity around its suitability. I find no significant difference in performance, and I'm happy with the larger fonts making most operations more readable for my aging eyes. I also have a perception (but no evidence) that my battery life has actually improved under iOS 8.

    The Air has also been an easy upgrade, but I notice that applications which depend on complex scrolling operations are "jerky" in their movement. Examples are scrolling the timeline in Facebook, the main page in LinkedIn, and the library view in Kindle. All these applications have had their latest, iOS 8, updates.

  81. Re:Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone 6 by binarylarry · · Score: 1

    Yeah because if there's one thing Microsoft has never done, it has never released a shitty OS update. Ever.

    what... 95? ME? Vista? 8?

    LALALALA I can't hear you.

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  82. Wait for 8.01? by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    I try to stay away from .0 releases, opting to wait a few weeks to see how it pans out. Other than Dos 6.0, I've held off on .0 releases on phones. My old Note1, never had an "official" kit kat release, and I left it at 4.1.2 from April '13 until I retired it in July of this year. I'm sure the same thing with 8.0 is that after it's been in the wild a while, Apple will release a dot one release to clear some early problems and a dot two release to make it a bit snappier. I'm FAR from an apple fanboy, other than a VM of Mac on my laptop, I don't own anything from Apple, but early adopters usually pay the price, for being an early adopter.

  83. Passible. Better than ios 6 on my old ip4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I would really wouldn't want to use it all the time on anything slower than an ip5. My 5 is ok, but it's hammering my already failing battery, especially if on 3g rather thanwifi, but I ikow my battery is dying anyway.

  84. No real problems on a 5s or a new 6, or iPad Air . by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Didn't try iOS 8 on a 4s yet, or on an older iPad .... but for what it's worth, the only real "slow down" issue I observed was on the brand new iPhone 6, 128GB! This had to do with trying to view the purchased apps in need of updates. The phone seemed to be so busy actually processing/doing updates, it couldn't allocate the processor time to actually SHOW me the list properly. It acted frozen and I couldn't scroll up/down through the list of apps. (I could, however, press the home button to move back to the menu and everything else was fine.)

    Overall, I've been really happy with the new OS, although battery life does seem a bit worse than before. That may just be needing to tweak some settings for when apps can use the GPS -- but I'm trying to get that optimized, and not seeing real results yet.

    Pretty sure the .01 update will be along shortly and address some of this.

  85. OT: On Airplane mode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already turned off most of the background stuff that eats juice that was posted when iOS 7 came out, so I'm not sure what's up. I'm going to try putting it in airplane mode when I go to bed tonight to see if that stops whatever is eating it.

    I habitually place my ancient android phone on airplane mode at bedtime. It stops midnight calls and texts from waking me up, which is a Good Thing. The important people know the home phone, and it's not on their fat-finger-prone speeddial because the number will show up as secondary so that they can use all the multimedia options with my cell by default. And, yes, we all have received calls initiated exclusively by smarphone error

    When a text or spam "arrives" after your 8 hour sleep, you may have to ask the sender when they actually texted you before you can make certain decisions. Why does text technology have a carrier agnostic inability to log texts at time SENT? As far as I know, SMS is NEWER than SMTP technology.

    1. Re: OT: On Airplane mode by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I've been in the habit of putting my phone in silent mode when I go to bed, the vibrate mode doesn't disturb me as I have an air filter giving me a goodly amount of white noise.

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    2. Re:OT: On Airplane mode by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There are loads of free scheduling apps that can do this automatically for you.

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  86. Without benchmarks... by Rick+in+China · · Score: 1

    The OP is just a whiny anecdotal bitch. First, when you complain about performance, you provide relevant hardware information. Then, you provide statistics. Ultimately, you can say "look!" -- but without either of the first and second item, you just appear to be a random whiner.

  87. It seems history repeats itself by toxygen01 · · Score: 1

    The same thing happened to SGI back in the days of their glory. http://seriss.com/people/erco/...

  88. makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    considering the upgrade isn't available for iPhone 4 for the first time, there must be some extra overhead.. not good.

  89. Siri by Pallas+Athena · · Score: 2

    Why do you ask this on slashdot? Just ask Siri...

  90. feels like iOS7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Safari started crashing on the ipad air after updating. I'm not talking about constant reloading of tabs (still present obviously), but proper crashes into springboard. It's just like ios 7. It took Apple 6 months to fix ios 7. Let's hope they'll be a bit faster with ios 8. Would love to downgrade back to ios 7.1 but of course Apple doesn't allow that. Be warned! Don't update!

  91. Is Slashdot an attention whore? by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

    After reading the headline, the answer is obviously "yes". What other headlines do we expect? "Is Google run by criminals"? "Does Microsoft Office kill productivity"? "Are Facebook users rapists"?

  92. Not my experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, personally I've got a 16g 5s & a 16g iPad Mini (first gen) - My installs went flawlessly, my devices are speedy & stable. Honestly, the only gripe I've got is that I have to get used to new settings.

    I'm not alone in this. I work for a fairly large tech company where, with a fairly large sample (4k or so at my location) & virtually no margin of error, a good 99% of the employees use iPhones & have iPads. On the intranet, chat rooms, & internal forums there have only been a few questions about slowness and specific apps crashing. While we have a great many technical people, we also have quite a few who aren't.

    I call iOS 8 a great upgrade. It's a much smoother upgrade than 7 & it's a far more polished experience to boot.

    So your mileage may vary, but if it does, try a clean install.

  93. Not a bit by clancey · · Score: 1

    I have not experienced any of these issues.

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  94. you'll never read this, too late in the list by pbjones · · Score: 1

    My upgraded old iPad had initial problems with WiFi connections but it seems better now. It may be that there are software downloads in the background associated with the new iOS 8 apps. Time will tell. I prefer the old UI, but I am always at the bleeding edge of tech when the purse allows.

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  95. Hey I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets take MOV AX 1
    right then well write ASM from Right to LEFT (Like the fuckjn muzzies and Flip everything opposite.
    1 XA VOM
    0 XA VOM
    1 XA VOM

    fip flop
    then make a COUNT DOWN.

    fip Foolp Flip Floof Flist splof
    ca ca ching ca ca ching
    CRUNCH CRUNK
    Ziiiaaa Ziiiaaa Zuuuu Zuuuu Zuuuueee Zue
    "CRICKETS"

    with springs and shit all over the table how will dip shit explain his magic fuck fingers Girlfriend to his LEGAL wife?

    damn did I just say all that?
    welp since I got your attention.
    RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION

  96. Shazam! by troon · · Score: 1

    On my 4S, iOS8 is a bit slower and choppier but not to the point of getting in the way. Siri's "what song is this" feature is so magical, it makes up for the degradations IMO.

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  97. Yes but it's tolerable by OzJimbob · · Score: 1

    Yes, I have noticed this. I've got an iPhone 5. And I've installed the Swype keyboard, which is pretty fantastic, but yep, it does feel a bit clunky. It takes a noticable amount of time for the keyboard to display on screen, and the visuals as display elements move around and adjust is definately a weird thing to see on iOS. I've noticed, for example, when turning the phone sideways, weird stretched graphics for a fraction of a second. And in other apps I've noticed some curious typographical anomalies - fonts in the app sitting just a little too close to the fonts in the status bar.

    However, the extra features in iOS 8 do make up for this weirdness. It's stil usable, it just seems *slightly* imperfect, but I think that's to be expected for such a major change in the OS, particularly when it comes to the keyboard feature. I'm just going to have to assume that iOS 8.1 will iron out some of these kinks.

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  98. Absolutely no performance degradation by Radio+DF2IC · · Score: 1

    Upgrade to iOS8 was smooth ..... Apps start quick, just like under iOS7. Nothing to complain about on all devices: iPhone-5S/16MB, iPhone-5/16MB, iPad Mini and iPad-3.

  99. Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoops guys, looks like this is a dupe
    http://ask-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/09/22/019251/ask-slashdot-is-ios-7-slow

  100. Re: Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulations. You're among roughly 1-2% of Android users who bought a Nexus device. Don't mistake that for being typical of the Android experience.

  101. Changes for the worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As soon as Steve died, things at Apple started changing. I, for one, do not like the changes I'm seeing on iOS nor MacOS. Both are becoming slow and buggy. I fear Apple will slowly degrade once again as it did when Steve was removed in 1985. Goodbye Apple.

  102. Similar issues to previous major revisions by punkr0x · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised no one has taken issue with the statement "previous OS upgrades have been relatively seamless." I'm running iOS8 on an iPhone 5, and there have been several issues. As I expected upgrading the day it was released. My experience on iOS 8.0 has been relatively smooth compared to the major issues of iOS 6.0 and 7.0. Apple will fix most bugs in short order, and by January I expect iOS 8.0.2 will run pretty well on your device. Any research done on iOS upgrade recommendations will tell you to wait until the x.0.1 update if you don't want to deal with bugs.

  103. don't see that problem here.... by smash · · Score: 1

    ... seems about on par with 7 to me maybe with a little better battery life on my 4s. I did a back up and install through itunes, not over the air (didn't have enough free space). I have had issues with previous iOS before (Betas mostly) that were solved by backing up, setting up as a new phone with the new OS and then restoring data from backup.

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  104. BB OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just updated my Blackberry Q5 to BB OS 10.2 and it's running great! ;-)

  105. iOS 8 is a pig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've also noticed that many apps which ran smoothly under iOS 7.~ are jerky and slow under iOS 8.

  106. No issues by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

    iPhone4 and iPad Air. Works fine, as do the four "free" apps I now have. The word processor/spreadsheet are pretty cute, for a tablet app.

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  107. Well so far, it's been smooth. by Phoenix · · Score: 1

    Honestly I can not complain about the update.

    I haven't seen any of the improvements (I use a Bluetooth keyboard so I don't see the predictive keyboard that often) but on the flip side I haven't seen anything bad as a result.

    The only problem that I've had to date was the Kindle Software not running properly. If I was in the middle of a book it would crash and I could load it again and read the book. However since they did their update to be iOS 8 compatible...that problem vanished.

    I really haven't noticed anything positive or negative as a result of the update.

    So...can't complain.

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  108. No piggishness observed on my 4S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't exercised it extensively on my three year-old 4S, but at no time have I thought "this is a pig". It seems to run pretty much like iOS 7.

  109. Iphone5 iPhone5s by drmario · · Score: 1

    I didn't notice any real slow down.. Most apps get slower as they get more and more updates.. But Internet has been working weird. Please log in so you can post with name :)

  110. Someone just itching for a fight by prjahelka · · Score: 1

    This kind of post just begs for flames - so I choose not to respond.

  111. Battery pig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't noticed the sluggishness you're speaking of, but I have noticed that I have severely degraded battery life (perhaps due to some new apps). I do have an older phone, so I'm hoping the iPhone 6 upgrade I'll do soon will ease the pain a bit.

  112. Apple's leverage by tepples · · Score: 1

    Probably because Apple has so much leverage. Rejecting one brand of Android phone means the user can switch to another brand after the contract is up in order to stay on the same platform and carrier. Even if a carrier rejects all OHA Android phones due to a CDD change that shuts out certain customizations that the carrier considers essential, a carrier can still choose to carry phones built on other AOSP distributions, such as CyanogenMod or Replicant or (once AT&T's exclusivity expires) Fire OS. All these distributions can use the same Amazon Appstore. But rejecting one brand of iOS phone means the carrier's customers lack access to an entire platform and are likely to take their business to another carrier. Besides, Apple already routinely performs a carrier customization in the form of blocking the tethering feature on plans that lack it.

  113. Is iOS8 a pig? In terms of resource use: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. I have at least one friend who is regretting having loaded it on to his 4S, but not that much because he is receiving a new phone from Apple shortly. I find it a bit slower on my iPhone4S but usable. I like some of the new features, and do not mind the less spritely behavior. Also, if it gets too annoying, I may be able to restore an earlier version. So far, I don't really care enough to have investigated that fully. Flame on.

  114. Re:Looks like someone didn't upgrade to iPhone 6 by DogDude · · Score: 1

    The comment was about expecting a new OS to run on year old hardware. My point was that MS's OS's regularly run on 10+ year old hardware without any problem, and that Apple consumers don't see any problem with having to buy new hardware so often.

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